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#rockbox log for 2009-10-08

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00:10:34roolkugevaerts: b23-b41 (apart from b38) are identical software wise
00:11:10roolkugevaerts: I have disabled b38 until I can reinstall it
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00:34:33notlisteningBig drawn back for VI users on the Sansa V2's
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00:34:52notlisteningThe Database update is very confusing if unknown
00:35:33notlisteningwhat processes is being recommended in the manual?
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00:41:35froggymansomeone want to give FS #10661 a look at?
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00:42:08LambdaCalculus37froggyman: Can you please stop asking that repeatedly? Someone will get to it when they get to it.
00:43:08froggymanLambdaCalculus37: ok, sorry
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00:52:10stebbi92hello
00:52:22stebbi92i need help with rockbox on my 30GB iPod video
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00:53:55froggymanstebbi92: what exactly do you need help with?
00:54:36stebbi92I can't create a database, it drains my battery at an incredible rate even when it's plugged in, and then it freezes sometimes, it's gone through twice, told me to reboot, then started the whole thing again
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00:55:43froggymantry deleting the .rockbox directory on it and reloading the current build: http://build.rockbox.org/
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00:56:18stebbi92alright, but i reinstalled .rockbox + bootloader just a few min ago
00:56:26stebbi92after deleting the folder too
00:56:32stebbi92i'll try the manual
00:56:40stebbi92manual installation that is :)
00:56:40froggymanohh
00:57:06stebbi92i used the auto-installer thing
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00:58:15clefurgeyHi, everyone. I'm a total newby to rockbox, just installed it today. I have a sandisc sansa e280V2. Also, I'm totally blind. Anyway, I just added a ton of music to my player by holding down the left button as I plugged in the cord, then copy/pasting to the music folder. I've ejected and unpluged, and have been waiting a few minutes, but can't seem to power on my player.
00:58:26froggymansounds good, you might want to try *fully* charging the iPod's battery, as support for charging through rockbox is rather buggy and doesnt always work like it should
00:59:05stebbi92alright, i used the debug battery tool to look at my battery draining, but it shuts down at zero, although it seems to recharge without being plugged in according to rockbox
00:59:17stebbi92it just can't stay on long enough
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00:59:40froggymanstebbi92: try charging it through the OF, I prefer to use diskmode
00:59:51stebbi92k
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01:00:26stebbi92"Yet another possibility is to convert the iTunesDB to a the Rockbox database format, see Convert iTunesDB to Rockbox database for more information. " i also tried that
01:01:25stebbi92what button is it again to enter diskmode?
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01:01:57froggymanafter you see the "apple logo" you then press center + play/pause
01:02:09stebbi92alright
01:02:29stebbi92but why doesn't the database load properly after it tells me to reboot?
01:04:17froggymanstebbi92: that could possibly be a disk corruption, try running a check disk program (like chkdsk if you are on windows)
01:04:24stebbi92alright
01:04:42stebbi92i'm also gonna clear up some space
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01:06:06clefurgeyIf I hold down the power button on my player for ten seconds then reboot, things talk, but I can't see any of my files. I'm still waiting, someone told me the sansa likes to scan the music you add?
01:07:14stebbi92chkdsk running and 1.5 GB cleared up
01:09:04stebbi92"Windows found errors on the disk but will not fix them"
01:09:16stebbi92"Convert lost chains to files Y/N"
01:09:31stebbi92i'll try running it with /F
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01:12:52stebbi92"Convert lost chains to files Y/N" what does that mean??
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01:14:03stripwaxstebbi92 - that's a bit off topic here, it's a question about chkdsk, rather than a question about rockbox. I *think* it means that the filesystem has some clusters that look like they're used but aren't linked to a filename, so chkdsk will go create a fake filename just to recover them for you.
01:14:21stripwaxbut the resulting file will probably be garbage / unusable
01:14:51stripwaxstebbi92 - when you said you "reboot", did you cleanly shut down and restart, or did you do a 'hard' reboot?
01:15:07stebbi92cleanly shut down rockbox
01:15:27stebbi92as in "long play" hold
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01:16:22stripwaxok. just had to check! because that could otherwise cause filesystem corruption. (did it really prompt you "to reboot"? If so, we should reword that, in my opinion)
01:16:49stripwaxas for the 'charging while not plugged in', that's because the battery readings are inaccurate for the first few minutes after starting up
01:17:05stebbi92yeah, it said "reboot to activate" or something alike, but it did have the word "reboot" in it :P
01:17:24stripwaxyuk
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01:19:39stebbi92wait, this is good
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01:19:56stebbi92now my hard drive isn't spinning like a motherf*****
01:20:14stebbi92and my battery seems to be quite stable while building the database
01:21:35stebbi92it seems my HD was corrupted after something, seems to be working now, just waiting for the database to be constructed
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01:22:03stebbi92and by the way, are you familiar with the bug where the iPod doesn't shut down when you hold the play button until you play a song?
01:22:05froggymanstebbi92: :)
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01:24:15clefurgeydoes anyone know how long I should have to wait before being able to power up my e280V2 after adding aprox 100 or more songs?
01:24:33stebbi92wait, now my iPod "ran out of battery" even though it's fully charged, and now my HD is acting loud again :O
01:25:11stebbi92is there any way to do this via PC?
01:26:57stebbi92i've got to go now, i'll check this out later, thanks for your help guys
01:27:04stebbi92might just be my iPod's battery going bad
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01:27:25JdGordonclefurgey: why are you waiting at all?
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01:28:40clefurgeyum, because I was told to? I'm clueless about this sort of thing, so forgive the dumb questions haha.
01:30:50clefurgeyThe person who helped me with the install said that if you add a load of music to the player, the database likes to scan it, and that it could take up to five mins. Well i've been waiting way longer than that, with no luck.
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01:36:20clefurgeyIf I hold down power for ten seconds I can get rockbox talking, but can't seem to see my files? I dunno.
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01:48:53fanta2is there any way to get a number of files represented in the tagcache?
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02:02:31clefurgeyI have another weird issue. According to the free space thing in rockbox, I have less space than when I started, so the files have to be there somewhere. what am I doing wrong?
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02:04:45JdGordonset the "show files" setting in the quickscreen to "all"
02:05:02JdGordonthe music folder gets the hidden flag so it isnt shown in the default files browser
02:05:30clefurgeyok, let me try that.
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02:08:59clefurgeyall i see are file 1, file 2, etc. and if I hit select on them nothing happens.
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02:15:56CIA-43New commit by 03kkurbjun (r23003): Brickmania: Fix the paddle drawing - The strides were wrong with paddles other than the standard one.
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02:21:54kkurbjunpixelma: the paddle drawing should be fixed now
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02:35:16CIA-43New commit by 03kkurbjun (r23004): Brickmania: Paddle selection needs to be done with the integer portion, not in fixed point.
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04:33:23snookumsloving this Rockbox.. its so nice
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05:56:40CIA-43New commit by 03kkurbjun (r23005): LCD scrolling routines: Fix the screen scrolling boundary with Vertical Strides.
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06:52:46CIA-43New commit by 03kkurbjun (r23006): PPM viewer - initial support for vertical strides - scaler needs to be modified for full support.
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07:54:17pixelmagevaerts: about the two USB prober logs: the only differences I could see were really tiny ones in the hmm... bit fields (? hope that's what the part in hex is called) but I don't know if it means something especially since those were two different devices. I could try with an HID disabled build but not today. Finally, maybe it's worth researching whether there are any known bugs in MacOS 10.4 because when I googled USB prober I found some threads
07:54:17pixelma where people had trouble connecting some other USB mass storage devices
07:55:10pixelmaseeing that original firmware and Rockbox USB without HID manage to connect
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09:16:18Bob_Cpixelma: there is (or was) an issue in MacOs supporting composite USB devices, maybe same problem?
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10:06:07gevaertsBob_C: do you happen to have a link to more information about that?
10:08:58Bob_CThe most recent statement I can find is http://lists.apple.com/archives/Usb/2009/Apr/msg00003.html . IAD is the "new" USB multi-function spec
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10:35:52Zagorthere are a lot more rockbox-able players available for sale than I thought
10:37:14clefurgeyIf anyone's around, can you confirm that to put music on the e280v2, all you do is plug the player in and copy/paste? for some reason my player comes up in mtp mode when I just plug it in without pressing anything. Is this normal?
10:38:47clefurgeyzagor: oh? where are you located? Granted I haven't looked around, but it'd be nice to know in case my sansa ever dies.
10:39:45Zagorclefurgey: I'm just looking on the net. amazon is a good place to start. c200 and e200, huge amounts of old ipods etc.
10:40:15Zagorclefurgey: I think there's a MTP/UMS setting in the original firmware
10:40:40clefurgeyzagor: oh, I thought you meant like in stores and such. Thanks for the info though.
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10:41:21Zagoryeah these are new and refurbished. I'm not counting used ones.
10:41:45ZagorI'm in sweden. we don't go out unless we have to ;-)
10:42:32clefurgeyI love rockbox so far, except for the music issues i'm having.
10:43:14Bob_CI'd like to get a cheap Gigabeat F if you see one
10:45:13clefurgeyah, that's cool, i'm in Canada.
10:46:03gevaertsZagor: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20091007#21:44:55
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10:48:03Zagorgevaerts: oddness
10:48:26ZagorBob_C: both F40 and F10 are available on amazon. cheap is a matter of definition :-)
10:48:29clefurgeyIs anyone using rockbox on a sansa e280v2?
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12:23:37YpsyDoes somebody know how I can remove those default folders on the fuze (the ones delivered with fuze AND the ones rockbox provides)?
12:26:22linuxstbI've no idea about what folders the Fuze's original firmware uses, but what Rockbox folders do you want to remove?
12:33:01GodEaterwe only "provide" one don't we? And that's required because that's where Rockbox is installed to....
12:38:20YpsyNo if I'm opening the "Files" tab theres one called ##Music# and one called ##Port#
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12:42:24GodEaterYpsy: neither of which are Rockbox folders.
12:42:31Ypsyhmm ok
12:42:34Ypsyweird
12:42:38Ypsyty :)
12:43:03GodEaterAnd removing them is as simple as deleting them with rockbox.
12:43:16GodEaterthe problem you will have is that when you return to the Original Firmware for USB, it will recreate them.
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13:33:19PyroBorYou people still didn't find time to upload source tarball of rockbox utility for version 1.2.3 to the download server?
13:35:00markunPyroBor: I have no idea who was supposed to do that.
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13:41:19krazykitPyroBor, the source is easily available from the subversion repository, too
13:44:09PyroBorand also bluebrother made a tarball that is located http://www.alice-dsl.net/dominik.riebeling/rockbox/rbutil-1.2.3.tar.bz2, but i am making spell (somthing like ebuild is for gentoo) update for SMGL and I think is a bit pointless to change download URL just for one version.
13:45:18PyroBorHe also asked Badger to upload it but he is on vacation it seems. (I was here few days back)
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13:52:05enthdegreeWhat's the best implementation of rockbox on a device so far?
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13:57:27janne_oksanendo you mean what is the best device to run Rockbox on?
13:59:11enthdegreeYes. c200vI seems appealing to me because of its form factor, but how stable/functional is it?
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14:00:50Strife89The c200 port is in quite a good state at the moment.
14:00:59Strife89I should know; I own one. :)
14:01:19enthdegreelol. Can you play video on it ok?
14:01:43Strife89enthdegree: It'll play, but the screen is so friggin' small that it's not a very enjoyable experience.
14:02:02Strife89enthdegree: Not to mention the low-ish resolution (132x80).
14:02:07enthdegreelol, I thought so.
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14:02:35enthdegreestill quite impressive that you can do that much with something that costs 20-30 bucks on ebay.
14:03:05Strife89enthdegree: For music playback and brief rounds of Jewels, Rockblox, and so on, it's a very good device overall. :)
14:03:05janne_oksanenhow much disk space is on that?
14:03:17Strife89janne_oksanen: The c250 comes with 2 GB.
14:03:23janne_oksanennice
14:03:26Strife89However, you can add USD cards.
14:03:36Strife89s/USD/microSD
14:03:47janne_oksanenµSD
14:04:03Strife89I can't type the micro symbol quickly. :)
14:04:28janne_oksanenit's alt gr. + m for me on the Finnish layout
14:04:36enthdegreeoh also, does the text viewer work well? Was planning on putting a folder-nested bible on it, but if its no good I might sleep on it. :P
14:05:03Strife89enthdegree: Yeah, the text viewer's actually pretty usable on the c200. :)
14:05:30Strife89janne_oksanen: I have an American English keyboard. :)
14:05:59janne_oksanenthat one doesn't even have the alt gr key
14:06:02janne_oksanendoes it?
14:06:10Strife89I have been using an 8GB uSD on my c250. Get a 16 GB one if you have the money; if your habits are anything like mine, you'll need it.
14:06:13Strife89janne_oksanen: No.
14:06:23Strife89janne_oksanen: Just two plain Alt keys.
14:06:29enthdegreeI'm just listening to 600mb of podcasts.lol
14:07:07enthdegreeoh, and *most importantly* how well does doom and the gameboy emulator work? ('
14:07:12enthdegree(;
14:07:40Strife89enthdegree: Doom is decently playable, but again, mind the small screen. :)
14:07:57enthdegreehahah that's kind of the achilles heel of this, isn't it.
14:07:59Strife89enthdegree: You may consider remapping the keys to assist playability.
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14:08:30Strife89enthdegree: Also, playing the Gameboy emulator is a YMMV situation.
14:08:30enthdegreepshaw, I don't own any gameboy roms anyway.
14:09:05enthdegreeOk. Thanks for the heads up. ;D
14:09:13Strife89enthdegree: Games with lots of required text may be difficult to play if you haven't memorized it beforehand, for example.
14:09:44Strife89enthdegree: Also, you'd probably want to turn off sound and bump frameskip up to 2 or 3.
14:09:57enthdegree"...But the princess is in another castle" "Thank you mario!" Shouldn't be too bad.
14:10:19Strife89enthdegree: Super Mario Bros. Deluxe actually isn't too bad on it. :)
14:10:25enthdegreenice.
14:10:32Strife89enthdegree: Again, it helps to remap the buttons, though.
14:11:02Strife89I put B on Vol. Up and A on Rec., for example.
14:11:19Strife89Normally A is on Select, and B is on Rec.
14:11:43enthdegreeOk. This thing can be remapped for left-handers too, right? I think I saw a thread on that a while back...
14:12:16Strife89enthdegree: Yes, there's an option to invert the screen.
14:12:23enthdegreegrood.
14:12:54Strife89I had gotten used to using it right-handedly, though, as I used the OF for about 3 months before I discovered Rockbox. :)
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14:13:39enthdegreeOk, great. {c:
14:13:48enthdegreeIs there anything else I should know?
14:13:51enthdegree:P
14:14:05Strife89Hmmm.
14:14:09Strife89Lemme think.
14:14:47Strife89Recording quality is decent for voice material, if you decide to use that feature.
14:14:53enthdegreeOh: Does it still use MTP? I need this thing to synch with songbird or at least rythmbox.
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14:15:22enthdegreeOr does it just look like a mass storage device?
14:15:36Strife89enthdegree: The c200v1 OF does have an MTP option (some ONLY have that option, and you'll have to downgrade to OF).
14:15:59Strife89enthdegree: Rockbox itself does not (yet) support MTP.
14:16:11Strife89enthdegree: As far as I'm aware, at least.
14:16:36Strife89enthdegree: And MTP in the OF is useless to you, as Rockbox won't be able to see the music.
14:17:11enthdegreeOk, rats.
14:17:19Strife89enthdegree: I seem to remember a patch for MTP support, though.
14:17:27linuxstbStrife89: It won't? Where does it put the files then?
14:18:07Strife89linuxstb: The OF seems to encrypt and rename the files when using MTP.
14:18:23markunreminds me of the gigabeat OF..
14:18:24enthdegree???!?
14:18:29Strife89linuxstb: Rename = extension as well.
14:18:53linuxstbThen you don't want to use MTP...
14:19:13Strife89linuxstb, enthdegree: Not with the OF, anyway.
14:19:39Strife89enthdegree: Just stick with MSC until when (and if) Rockbox supports it.
14:20:08Strife89enthdegree: I imagine you may be able to sync anyway, if you just specify the desired folder.
14:21:36enthdegreeOh ok, thats fine then.
14:22:07Strife89enthdegree: Incidentally, you may find something here that helps you. http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/UsefulTools
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14:23:34enthdegreeGreat,thanks.
14:24:04enthdegreeWell, thanks for all of your help! I really appreciate it. :D
14:24:28Strife89enthdegree: No problem. :)
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14:58:33pixelmasubfolders like MTPCONTENT/1/2/5 etc. if I remember correctly
14:58:33linuxstbpixelma: Are they actually encrypted, or just renamed?
14:59:45pixelmaI think they are just renamed, I actually liked one of the example songs that came with it and searched for it. As far as I remember once I found it I only copied it, I did not use WMP to get it off
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17:24:03Blue_DudeColors in the simulator are all frakked up. I'm getting black text on a black background. The colors look OK in the color selector, but they don't display correctly.
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19:15:51polobricoloTheSeven: is it possible to run rockbox through iBugger ?
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19:16:17TheSevenbooting it up through ibugger is possible, and i have a patch that will run a bootloader build inside ibugger
19:16:30TheSevenan app build won't be able to run inside ibugger as it needs IRAM
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19:42:00linuxstbTheSeven: I'm trying to write a firmware image encrypt/decrypt plugin (based on the Payloads/CryptFirmware/main.c program from iBugger), and it seems to be freezing when doing the actual encryption. Any ideas? Something to do with interrupts?
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20:34:19TheSevenlinuxstb: shouldn't require any interrupts
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20:34:40TheSevenand i would expect the crypto one to be masked , so it shouldn't hurt
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20:34:46TheSevendid you open the crypto clock gate?
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20:35:02TheSeventhis isn't contained in cryptfirmware, as ibugger already opens all of them
20:35:09TheSevensee iloader for details, it's properly handled there
20:35:32linuxstbTheSeven: Yes, I had just noticed that before you replied - I've added that and am rebuilding now...
20:36:09linuxstbCan I just check that the "size" parameter to your encrypt/decrypt functions should be the size in bytes? Or is it the size in (4-byte) words ?
20:36:37TheSevendon't ask me :-) but i would expect bytes
20:36:45*TheSeven has a look at that code himself
20:37:05LearJust tried RbUtil autodetect on Vista x64. Didn't work at all. It crashed, I think...
20:38:28TheSevenlinuxstb: looks like you made me spot a bug
20:38:37TheSevenmy code expects it to be bytes, and in fact it seems to be words
20:38:50linuxstbTheSeven: That's what was confusing me...
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20:39:11*linuxstb is used to these kinds of functions taking char arrays, and is confused by int arrays
20:40:02TheSevenlinuxstb: it's worse. i already fixed aes_decrypt (bytes) and aes_encrypt was still using words
20:40:40TheSevenint arrays are lots faster for the cbc
20:40:59TheSevenbut that they're using int arrays internally shouldn't be exposed to the user
20:41:18linuxstbYes, I'm not saying you shouldn't use them, just that I'm personally not used to seeing them used...
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20:41:56linuxstb"that thing" = "nano2g" ?
20:42:00TheSevenyep
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20:42:20TheSevenwell, i know how to forcibly shut off power, but the LCD doesn't really like that
20:42:47TheSevenwhat also needs to be fixed soon is the clickwheel being not (properly?) re-initialized when releasing the hold switch
20:43:08linuxstbReinitializing the clickwheel when releasing the hold switch... ;)
20:43:14linuxstbIt's already done for CPU_PP
20:44:20TheSevenbtw, what is the "power off" function in rockbox supposed to do? suspend to RAM, or really power off?
20:44:26linuxstbReally power off.
20:44:38TheSevenhow can the user suspend it?
20:44:43linuxstbThey can't.
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20:45:10TheSevenso you'll always need to reboot rockbox afterwards... not very cool.
20:45:28LearHe, just bought another e200. Assumed it would be a v2, but it wasn't... :)
20:45:32linuxstbThat's why we want very fast boot times...
20:45:43linuxstb(and bootloaders that don't get in the way).
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20:46:06TheSevenwhat's preventing suspend2ram? (i.e. the way apple is doing it?)
20:47:12linuxstbI think amiconn has thought about that problem - he did the port to the (original) 1st/2nd gen ipods, which can't physically be powered off. So Rockbox needs to have some kind of sleep mode there. But it hasn't been done yet.
20:47:40linuxstbI think the issue is what happens when you wake up.
20:48:35n1sisn't it like everything else, just that noone's done it yet?
20:49:19*linuxstb stops speculating and waits for amiconn to comment
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20:50:35kugeln1s' guess seems like a safe bet ;)
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20:50:55linuxstbYes, but why has no-one done it yet?
20:51:31kugellack of time, interest, knowledge...as usual
20:51:36n1sbecause it's probably a lot of work just to save a few seconds on every boot
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20:52:01*kugel doesn't think it would be very worthwhile on the targets he uses
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20:52:14kugelmaybe on the yh925
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20:52:36*TheSeven thinks of just jumping to the crt0 entry point after waking to get things in place again
20:52:47TheSevenso you would only have the rockbox boot process, not the apple one
20:52:49pixelman1s: on the 1st and 2nd gen Ipods it's not a matter of boot time though
20:53:02linuxstbTheSeven: Pre-initialised data would be wrong then.
20:53:04pixelmanot only
20:53:05n1ssure it's a cool feature, but i don't think it brings much (except for the early ipods that can't be turned off of course)
20:53:33TheSevenlinuxstb: well, that should be fixable relatively easy (at least at the expense of some RAM)
20:53:49n1spixelma: yeah, but those suffer from mthe fact that almost no devs have them
20:54:00linuxstbTheSeven: You mean permanently store a copy of that segment?
20:54:19TheSevenyes, and handle it like the intvects
20:55:07TheSeveni think that should only be some few KB, which won't really hurt a 32MB target
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20:55:42kugelTheSeven: if you do it that way, you can just rolo rockbox.ipod I think
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20:55:59linuxstbkugel: That would mean re-initialising the ata/fat/etc drivers.
20:56:26kugellinuxstb: that's going to happen with jumping to the crt0 entry point too
20:56:38kugelthat's points to main(), which does all the initialising
20:56:57TheSevenkugel: and relies on .rwdata being correct
20:58:20kugelclosing all threads and tick tasks (except a wake-up one), and adding a giant sleep in root_menu() should do it, shouldn't it?
20:58:31*TheSeven just spotted that diagflsh sub_8008A7C is shutting down the LCD
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20:59:05TheSevenkugel: depends on what kind of hardware will lose it's state during this
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20:59:53kugelthe hardware would be shut off
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21:00:09kugel(except cpu and ram, that is)
21:01:10*kugel thinks rolo'ing rockbox.* would be the easiest way for waking up (almost) properly
21:01:59linuxstbTheSeven: Is anything else needed apart from PWRCONEXT &= ~0x400 ? It still seems to freeze..
21:04:24linuxstbTheSeven: Sorry, ignore that. Seems I hadn't recompiled it... It's now doing something.
21:04:55CIA-43New commit by 03kugel (r23010): Use TIME_BEFORE() and redo a macro slightly.
21:09:52kugelhttp://pastie.org/647325 looks....strange! (from chopper)
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21:13:42TheSevenkugel: i would expect most things on the SOC to keep state, not just the CPU
21:13:52kugelwhy?
21:14:24TheSevenas far as i can tell, most of the power supplies stay on, and just the clocks are killed
21:14:28kugelwell, turn as much of as we're able to
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21:17:07TheSevenlinuxstb: you're having the bad LCD again. shutting down mine is 4 commands, yours is 30
21:17:19linuxstb;)
21:18:13CIA-43New commit by 03kugel (r23011): Fix chopper to actually remember the level. instead of overriding it on start.
21:20:50kugellinuxstb: can the commands in the nano2g driver which set the gram adress and stuff be combined in some lcd_window function?
21:21:27linuxstbkugel: Yes, I thought of that, but haven't got round to it.
21:21:48pixelmais the 2nd gen nano's display as nicely readable without backlight as the first gen's?
21:22:33kugellinuxstb: just slightly annoyed me to see the same set of commands duplicated :)
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21:22:52kugelthe args in lcd_update() look a bit special though
21:23:21linuxstbpixelma: I wouldn't say nicely, but it's readable. It seems similar to the Color/Photo and Video - I haven't seen a 1st gen nano.
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21:25:50pixelmahmm... my impression of the Photo was that it's not as nice as the Video which I compared to my impression of the Nano (the latter two just seen occasionally each - at DevCon 2007 and when amiconn had Linus' Video, so from memory)
21:26:09CIA-43New commit by 03nls (r23012): FS #10661 by Seth Opgenorth, adding more levels to brickmania
21:29:07n1shmm, forgot to mention that i had to reflow the long comment to fit the 80 chars limit
21:34:47TheSevenpixelma: that highly depends on ambient light and the colors used on the lcd
21:35:15TheSevenwhite-on-black is barely readable, while black-on-white is quite easy, as usual
21:35:35pixelmawhat?
21:36:04TheSevenso powering the backlight on if a panic happens shouldn't be really neccessary
21:37:34pixelmasorry, I read that wrong
21:41:07kugelTheSeven: does it do that right now?
21:41:24*kugel thinks the samsas don't do that for some reason
21:41:42TheSevenyep, it does
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21:41:52kugelthe fuze's screen isn't readable at all, so is the e200's
21:42:17*pixelma slaps kugel for keeping that stupid non-typoed typo
21:42:40kugeloriginally it was a typo actually
21:43:39*linuxstb also thinks it should have stayed that way
21:43:40pixelmaI know but it could easily lead to misunderstandings if someone things it is a typo now...
21:44:16kugelcan we abandon "beast" too then?
21:45:04kugeleither we like abbreviating ports, or we don't
21:46:14pixelmawell what other targets fit there? Samsa could easily be read as Sansa (all Sansas in general) while I wouldn't know what beast could be read as. I wouldn't be opposed to abandon it too
21:46:32pixelmathough
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21:46:42TheSevenwhat about sAMSa?
21:47:17kugelTheSeven: I see target specific no code for turning the backlight on, so I guess I didn't remember correctly
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21:47:57kugelI see no target specific code*
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21:50:38froggymann1s: ping
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21:51:16pixelmaTheSeven: would be a bit better but it still sounds (and looks) silly to me (while "beast" is a usual English word sAMSa isn't)
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21:53:15n1sfroggyman: yo called?
21:53:18n1syou
21:54:05TheSevenin fact it took me minutes to figure out what samsa meant the first time i noticed it isn't a typo
21:54:19froggymann1s: yesterday you told be to remind you about FS #10661
21:54:35TheSevenfroggyman: he already committed it
21:54:58froggymanTheSeven: ohh... didnt see that
21:55:36*froggyman looks at the main page and sees his name right there
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22:03:52kugelpixelma: being an actual word makes beast worse imo
22:06:18bluebroth3rwhat's bad about the beast? It actually is a beast, in various aspects :)
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22:06:50kugelfroggyman: http://plugbox.rockbox-lounge.de/brickmania.htm doesn't seem to exist (but http://plugbox.rockbox-lounge.com/brickmania.htm does)
22:09:08*froggyman copied the link out of his URL bar
22:09:24froggymankugel: hmm... that should probably be changed
22:10:05CIA-43New commit by 03bluebrother (r23013): Don't warn if the archive has to be created.
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22:19:59HorschtRockContacts...
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22:24:23Horschtheh, I just noticed this on the calendar plugin: when you view a day with it's events, it says "Events (play: menu)"
22:24:37Horschtbut that's wrong, on the ipod video, select brings up the menu
22:27:01bluebrotherrasher: I was thinking about FS #9233. What do you think about this: http://pastebin.ca/1605059 ?
22:28:36rasherbluebrother: If that works as expected (use system libspeex except if none exists, or if building staticly), it sounds like a nice and simple solution
22:28:46rasherMine certainly wasn't
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22:33:01bluebrotherwell, as far as I could try it it works nicely. Need to adjust rbutil for that too, though.
22:33:14*bluebrother goes trying on windows but doesn't expect anything special
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22:39:07bluebrotherthe only thing that is a bit annoying is the "make: pkg-config: Command not found" warning on windows. Building works fine though.
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22:56:54CIA-43New commit by 03theseven (r23014): Implemented iPod Nano 2G power_off()
22:58:31TheSevenlinuxstb: can you have a quick look if your LCD powers down correctly with that?
22:58:55TheSevenI can't see what one could do wrong there, but let's better double-check that
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23:02:15linuxstbTheSeven: Sure, compiling now.
23:02:54linuxstbTheSeven: BTW, your commits are adding more warnings...
23:03:10TheSevenoops, where?
23:03:21TheSeveni didn't get any while recompiling my changes
23:03:57TheSevenok, I see what you mean
23:04:09linuxstbI get warnings in your RTC code, and this commit gives a warning about an implicit declaration of 'lcd_off being
23:04:16linuxstbs/being//
23:04:32*TheSeven wonders where this is declared explicitly
23:04:48linuxstbAll looks good to me.
23:04:53linuxstbProbably lcd.h
23:05:00TheSevennope, that's what I included
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23:05:44linuxstbI'm not sure lcd_off is the correct name though.
23:05:53TheSeventhere was a stub with that name...
23:06:03TheSevenbut that #ifdef HAVE_REMOTE_LCD_AS_MAIN has confused me now
23:06:23linuxstbYes, it looks like that function is for something else.
23:06:45TheSevenso it's rather lcd_poweroff? but that is in the same ifdef?
23:07:23TheSevenhow deep is lcd_sleep()?
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23:07:48linuxstbLikely candidates are lcd_enable(), lcd_sleep() or lcd_shutdown()...
23:08:51kugelcan we use shifts to multiply *signed* ints by 2^x ß
23:09:31kugeliiuc, shifts are a bit questionable on signed, as not all hardware might not have arithmetic shift instructions
23:09:45TheSevenlcd_shutdown() is only existant for the other ipod targets
23:10:28kugelsince some hardware might lack arithmetic shift instructions*
23:10:29TheSevenkugel: as long as you shift left, logical shift = arithmetic shift
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23:11:04kugelTheSeven: only if the number non-negative
23:11:10TheSevenwhy?
23:11:19TheSeven2's complement is doing the trick again...
23:11:22kugelthe sign bit
23:11:29linuxstbTheSeven: lcd_shutdown() seems consistent with those targets as least.
23:11:34linuxstbs/as/at/
23:11:46linuxstb(it's also called from power_off()
23:11:58TheSevenok, so I'll go for that one
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23:12:10kugelTheSeven: the sign bit can get shifted away, can't it?
23:12:11TheSevenkugel: the sign bit will stay one as long as there is no overflow
23:12:16linuxstbIn fact it's not called from there...
23:12:42linuxstbIt's called from firmware/powermgmt.c - which is better.
23:12:59TheSevenis this done before power_off()?
23:13:10kugelTheSeven: the sign bit is gone in a logical shift
23:13:17linuxstbYes. That looks like the place you should unmount the NAND as well.
23:13:28TheSevenkugel: not if you shift left, only if you shift right
23:14:13kugelalright indeed, I get it now
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23:14:22kugelbut yea, only if there's no overflow
23:14:39TheSevenyes. but if there is an underflow/overflow, it will behave like a multiplication
23:14:47TheSeveni.e. just wrap around
23:15:05TheSevenso no need for using multiplications instead of that
23:15:05*kugel will just make the var in question unsigned :P
23:15:40TheSeven...which will only allow by shifting one more bit before it wraps, even though the wrapped number will be positive, too
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23:17:42*TheSeven will rework that powerdown code tomorrow
23:18:49TheSevenI'm still in favor of shutting down the LCD after unmounting, as it may else panic with LCD off, which is not good.
23:19:20TheSevenso the unmount indeed needs to be moved into powermgmt.c, but there is nothing that fits in there yet
23:20:21TheSeventhis isn't gonna be a small patch :-/
23:20:27*TheSeven will go to bed now
23:20:55CIA-43New commit by 03tomers (r23015): Updated Hebrew language - fix parentheses not shown properly
23:21:36linuxstbTheSeven: Why doesn't it fit there?
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23:22:19UtchybannTheSeven: shutting down seems fine on my nano2g.
23:22:21TheSeveni meant that i don't see anything being called in there that could be used for that, so we'll need to touch powermgmt.c and probably storage.c to do it properly
23:23:45domonoky1user
23:23:49domonoky1ups
23:23:57bluebrotherpassword:
23:24:07TheSevenhuh?
23:24:17domonoky1pass :-)
23:24:24bluebrotherI was just prompting the password for the user "ups" ;-)
23:26:41CIA-43New commit by 03bluebrother (r23016): If available, use the systems libspeex when linking rbspeex(enc|dec) and rbutil dynamically. This is similar to FS #9233 but utilizes pkg-config.
23:27:52bluebrotherlist_of_open_rbutil_tasks−− :)
23:28:59*bluebrother spots a new translation for rbutil
23:29:21bluebrothertoo bad, I wanted to get that chinachip strings stuff cleaned up. Well.
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23:40:14CIA-43New commit by 03bluebrother (r23017): Czech translation for Rockbox Utility (FS #10662 by Pavel Rzehák).
23:40:29notlisteningdomonoky1, getting a build error with the opensapi patch when building on lin#ux
23:40:57domonoky1notlistening: is this with my newest patch ?
23:41:15notlisteningdomonoky1, yup
23:41:41notlisteningwas attempting to test on ubuntu for you
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23:42:58domonoky1notlistening: can you pastebin the error ? (i also testing my newest patch in a ubuntu vm, but i may have missed something when i created the patch.)
23:46:36amiconnlinuxstb, TheSeven: The issue with suspend is that rockbox isn't prepared for proper suspend handling atm
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23:47:56amiconnSuspend needs a method to tell all all drivers to put their hardware in a sane state for suspend, and put all threads into a suitable state as well
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23:48:26CIA-43New commit by 03bluebrother (r23018): Add Czech translation to the resources too.
23:48:31amiconnRight now what rockbox does on shutdown is to exit most threads, and deinit some hardware "by hand" in a quite uncoordinated fashion
23:50:34amiconnkugel: suspend is not that simple
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23:51:06domonoky1bluebrother: what do you think about splitting the tts.cpp/h file into individual files ? (it gets bigger and bigger with more tts classes)
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23:51:57bluebrotherdomonoky1: sure. I'm generally not too fond of having multiple classes in the same file.
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