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| 00:16:17 | * | amiconn slaps kugel with red builds |
| 00:16:41 | kugel | patience... |
| 00:17:15 | CIA-85 | New commit by kugel (r23303): Fix red caused by ancient incorrect #ifdefs. |
| 00:18:05 | amiconn | kugel: Btw, if you pass extra parameters to a function, no harm is done (other than the waste for preparing those parameters) |
| 00:18:23 | amiconn | It's still bad style of course |
| 00:19:57 | kugel | I think so too |
| 00:20:47 | kugel | I was curious whether it would cause problems, but I think fixing bad style is good enough |
| 00:21:04 | amiconn | If they're regparms it is obvious. The function just doesn't care about the register value |
| 00:22:12 | amiconn | Extraneous stackparms cause a bit of extra stack consumption, but don't cause badness either, because the caller is responsible for stack cleanup - and the caller "knows" it put those extra parms there |
| 00:22:37 | kugel | if they were stack params it could cause an overflow couldn't it? |
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| 00:23:00 | kugel | oh, the caller needs to clean it up as well? |
| 00:25:40 | amiconn | On our target archs, yes |
| 00:26:36 | amiconn | x86 can apparently be either. 'stdcall' means the callee does the cleanup, 'cdecl' means the caller does the cleanup. |
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| 00:27:52 | kugel | so it the callee pops the param, then pushes it back before returning? that seems a bit wasteful to me |
| 00:28:14 | kugel | or does it just adjust the sp? |
| 00:28:25 | amiconn | The callee 'pops' nothing if the calling convention is that the caller does the cleanup |
| 00:29:20 | amiconn | The callee reads the parameters from the stack without changing the sp. Caller just adjusts sp after the function returns |
| 00:29:29 | kugel | ah yea, I see |
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| 01:12:22 | CIA-85 | New commit by kugel (r23304): Fix a few potential redraw problems with the custom statusbar and wps fighting for the same full redraw variable. ... |
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| 01:15:18 | CIA-85 | New commit by kugel (r23305): No need to have this variable global anymore. |
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| 01:29:15 | CIA-85 | New commit by kugel (r23306): Remove all update event callbacks if the custom statusbar is unused. |
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| 01:51:37 | andrewRB | hey |
| 01:51:44 | andrewRB | any comments on FS #10697? |
| 01:56:14 | kkurbjun | andrewRB: looks like a nice feature - I don't know the list code or whether it's appropriate there, offhand it looks like the right way to do it |
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| 02:00:42 | JdGordon| | going by the title it sounds like it could be good.. |
| 02:00:50 | JdGordon| | going to have a look at it on the bus (in about 15min) |
| 02:00:55 | andrewRB | ta |
| 02:01:27 | JdGordon| | custom statusbar + touchscreen + playback controls in the lists could make for some fun :p |
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| 02:02:13 | andrewRB | ^^ -> Cowon D2 port =P |
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| 02:21:48 | JdGordon| | andrewRB: ah, you didnt add any logic to actually make it work :( |
| 02:22:49 | andrewRB | hmm? modify the keymap of whichever device you are talking about? |
| 02:23:37 | andrewRB | for the D2, i'm actually going to submit a patch to do that very soon, but I know that is something which is disliked by many people here, so I seperated the functionality |
| 02:24:43 | JdGordon| | yeah, that functionality is the interesting bit (for me anyway :p ) |
| 02:25:34 | andrewRB | same |
| 02:25:48 | andrewRB | but check #10683 |
| 02:26:11 | andrewRB | (that isn't my patch, i don't endorse it, but the arguments in the comments still apply) |
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| 02:26:55 | JdGordon| | it doesnt always make sense to have all those actions in the same #define |
| 02:27:24 | andrewRB | sorry, which? |
| 02:27:47 | JdGordon| | your atch |
| 02:28:21 | JdGordon| | for 10683.. I'm against hold changing a button behaviour, but am completly or customisable buttons |
| 02:28:28 | andrewRB | hmmm, true |
| 02:28:47 | andrewRB | I figured it would be overkill to seperate them right now when there are no players to which it applies |
| 02:29:38 | JdGordon| | it would be... if you want "inspirtion" look at recordser/radio.c... pretty much each action is surrounded by a #if |
| 02:29:59 | JdGordon| | while in general i tihnk thats horrible.. it would be useful here |
| 02:30:24 | andrewRB | huh |
| 02:30:25 | andrewRB | yeah |
| 02:30:56 | JdGordon| | this keyboard+bumpy road makes baby jesus not able to read :p |
| 02:31:39 | * | andrewRB wonders if JdGordon| has an identity crises or an overinflated ego |
| 02:32:05 | JdGordon| | cant I have both? |
| 02:32:59 | * | andrewRB adds "greed" to JdGordon|'s list of personality disorders |
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| 02:46:32 | Unhelpful | that's more a *flaw* than a disorder imo |
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| 02:48:59 | * | andrewRB thinks ^^ contributes to the 25% obesity in the USA |
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| 03:14:19 | andrewRB | ugh |
| 03:14:35 | andrewRB | does anyone actually use the radio on the D2 in rockbox? |
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| 03:16:01 | andrewRB | nvm |
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| 03:58:07 | cool_walking_ | What's the policy on swearing in the forums? There doesn't appear to be anything about it in the guidelines, and there's quite a bit of it spread around on there, but someone reported a post. |
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| 04:12:52 | midgey | Eh, so I don't have a problem with swearing. I think as devs we should obviously watch our language in mixed company, but for users I feel that as long as it isn't demeaning towards another user, we should let it go. |
| 04:13:10 | cool_walking_ | I think I'll just PM the person who reported it saying we're still deciding our policy. Not enough people on right now to reach a consensus, I think. I agree with midgey, anyway. |
| 04:16:20 | cool_walking_ | okay, sent |
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| 06:15:56 | andrewRB | JdGordon: still there? |
| 06:16:05 | andrewRB | you may want to check out FS #10698 |
| 06:23:29 | JdGordon | what the heck is the BUTTON_HOLD stuff? |
| 06:23:55 | JdGordon | it should be BUTTON_MINUS|BUTTON_REPEAT which is done for you magically |
| 06:24:28 | JdGordon | oh... this is the hold button switch? |
| 06:24:32 | andrewRB | not following you there, sorry? |
| 06:25:02 | JdGordon | we dont want buttons to work when the hold is enabled... |
| 06:25:16 | andrewRB | not at all, ever? |
| 06:25:30 | JdGordon | yep |
| 06:25:43 | JdGordon | the whole point of that switch is so things dont happen accidently |
| 06:26:25 | andrewRB | the tactile buttons really can't be pressed accidentally, and without this functionality you have to remove the player from your pocket to change track or volume =/ |
| 06:26:49 | JdGordon | yes |
| 06:27:36 | andrewRB | oh well. so what is it you are looking for? track skipping by holding +/- buttons when not in hold mode? |
| 06:27:59 | JdGordon | touchscreen controls |
| 06:28:20 | andrewRB | despite the fact that you have to *see* it to use it? |
| 06:29:30 | JdGordon | yep |
| 06:29:45 | andrewRB | okies. well i guess that patch may as well be closed ;) |
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| 07:18:50 | pixelma | only four old daily builds are available now? |
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| 07:20:08 | pixelma | and only three of the corresponding voices |
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| 09:43:13 | * | pixelma points petur to the most recent post in the recordings subforum |
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| 09:43:32 | pixelma | or thread |
| 09:45:33 | JdGordon | is support problems still the biggest argument against any customisable menus/buttons? |
| 09:46:13 | petur | pixelma: I really have no time this week. Looks like I should take my laptop to the US to be able to work on it :/ |
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| 09:47:12 | pixelma | ok, maybe if I have time sometime this week or during the weekend - revert shouldn't be too hard and keymap things aren't either |
| 09:48:24 | petur | I would first only revert recording.c and see what that does on the ipoos |
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| 10:06:59 | shotofadds | JdGordon: please don't decide that something is "never" going to happen without any discussion (hold buttons on D2) |
| 10:07:07 | shotofadds | how can you decide that for yourself? |
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| 10:07:25 | JdGordon | shotofadds: its not really device specific.... |
| 10:07:41 | JdGordon | plenty f targets have software hold and this has been requested before |
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| 10:08:09 | shotofadds | I didn't know it had come up before, sorry. Can you point me to a discussion of it? |
| 10:08:37 | JdGordon | not really.. its either here or the ml's... |
| 10:09:04 | shotofadds | The reason it's come up for the D2 is that it cannot be used "in pocket" without controls such as these. The OF has this feature, and Rockbox is significantly less functional because of it. |
| 10:09:07 | JdGordon | I'm not completely against it... but others sure will |
| 10:10:11 | JdGordon | it does sound completyl wrong to me though... the hold switch is supposed to stop you being able to press buttons... not change their behaviour |
| 10:10:22 | shotofadds | JdGordon: sure. I think the approach in fs#10683 in ideal - things won't magically happen when hold is enabled unless the user specifically enables it. |
| 10:11:02 | shotofadds | I think the fact we now have 3 separate patches for this on Flyspray already speaks volumes |
| 10:11:11 | kugel | shotofadds: I'm thinking it's out of question that the hold button enables other actions. It's may possibly be a question if it's a user setting |
| 10:11:39 | kugel | but we have discussed configurable buttons a dozen times already, always rejecting the idea (generaly...) |
| 10:12:15 | shotofadds | it's not configurable buttons |
| 10:12:35 | JdGordon | sure it is |
| 10:12:53 | kugel | we also had a number of patches that do something magical with the REC button on the e200, all are rejected |
| 10:13:15 | shotofadds | ok fine. I'll go with "Rockbox, significantly less functional than the OF" as a strapline :/ |
| 10:13:28 | JdGordon | there you go! everyone is happy :) |
| 10:13:37 | shotofadds | time I went to work... |
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| 10:13:48 | kugel | the volume it speaks is simply that touchscreens have many disadvantages in usability, not the fact that people are keen on doing whatever with the hold button |
| 10:14:05 | JdGordon | is support problems still the biggest argument against any customisable menus/buttons? |
| 10:16:32 | kugel | I have no problem with these patches in general. but if it's accepted, we need to renew our decision for *all* targets |
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| 10:17:25 | JdGordon | yep |
| 10:17:59 | JdGordon | I would like to see some of these in also... I wouldnt even mind if they were disabled by default in #ifdef's which means anyone with that build wont get support anyway |
| 10:20:34 | kugel | JdGordon: any plans to get back to wfms? |
| 10:20:55 | JdGordon | the radio code scares me... |
| 10:23:33 | hue | anyone know if the 2nd gen nano can scan ff and backwards on a track? |
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| 10:27:46 | hue | ah you gotta hold forward or back down |
| 10:27:47 | hue | -_- |
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| 10:32:59 | * | TheSeven just plumbed another pool block leak |
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| 10:38:08 | topik | each time i'm about to update my nano you fix some new things :) |
| 10:39:38 | TheSeven | yes, i spotted another critical FTL issue tonight |
| 10:40:55 | topik | the one from r23296 or later? |
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| 10:41:25 | TheSeven | topik: the latest one still isn't fixed in svn, i'm right now testing it |
| 10:41:40 | TheSeven | but it looks like stability has once again improved a lot |
| 10:41:45 | topik | then i'll hold on updating just yet |
| 10:41:53 | * | TheSeven will now try copying c:\windows\system32 to his ipod as a stress test :-) |
| 10:42:32 | topik | i couldn't do that, my nano is only 2GB |
| 10:42:59 | topik | this FTL issues, are they mostly in writing routines or is reading affected too? |
| 10:43:15 | TheSeven | my system32 folder is ~1GB, however this will still need an hour (if it doesn't fail before that) at the current ftl performance |
| 10:44:02 | TheSeven | topik: reading seems to be perfectly stable, and if something fails while reading, that isn't dangerous either, the worst thing is that it could crash and you need to reboot it |
| 10:44:31 | TheSeven | however, i managed to get my FTL in unrecoverable (without complete wiping) states for about 20 times yesterday... |
| 10:45:00 | topik | yeah, that's my experience too. filling my nano in diskmode and playing from it works pretty solid |
| 10:45:02 | hue | to delete the itunes version of my library, just show hidden files and delete the music directory? |
| 10:45:20 | topik | delete the ipod_contol dir |
| 10:45:20 | TheSeven | no, that's where your music is |
| 10:45:29 | TheSeven | ipod_control\itunes is the one to delete |
| 10:45:40 | TheSeven | topik: the music is in ipod_control, too! |
| 10:45:44 | hue | yea |
| 10:46:06 | hue | so the whole ipod_control folder, oh ok\ |
| 10:46:09 | topik | when i cut my ties to itunes, i wiped all itunes related stuff and put the music back on the proper way |
| 10:46:18 | hue | im gonna do the same thing |
| 10:46:31 | * | TheSeven loves to see people ditch the apple firmware altogether |
| 10:46:34 | topik | except of course when i fucked up my nano and needed itunes to restore it |
| 10:46:53 | topik | i would have done that, but i kept getting an iloader startup screen :) |
| 10:47:17 | hue | i havent been following the latest updates.. havent had any issues so far. expect a legit update this weekend? |
| 10:47:33 | topik | updates come as they come |
| 10:48:02 | hue | oic, but you guys are fixing stuff left and right |
| 10:48:10 | topik | TheSeven is |
| 10:48:17 | hue | just download and overwrite? |
| 10:48:21 | topik | yep |
| 10:48:23 | hue | easy |
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| 10:50:37 | TheSeven | my transfer of system32 just failed again with a weird "file name is too long" message |
| 10:50:59 | TheSeven | but after reconnecting the ipod (without rebooting it) it seems to be fine again, so this time it was an usb problem? |
| 10:51:10 | gevaerts | TheSeven: what was the filename? |
| 10:51:33 | topik | "too long" |
| 10:51:40 | TheSeven | c:\windows\system32\comsnap.dll => e:\system32\comsnap.dll |
| 10:52:15 | TheSeven | "file name is too long" seems to be the default message of windows if something weird is going on, like apple is showing a "dead battery" logo on the ipod's screen if the ftl is broken |
| 10:52:18 | gevaerts | ok, that does indeed sounds like a bug somewhere then |
| 10:53:05 | TheSeven | the sad thing is that this happened after copying only 46MB |
| 10:53:22 | TheSeven | (in 291 files) |
| 10:55:58 | TheSeven | hm, another 432 files (159 MB) copied without issues now. weird. |
| 10:56:40 | * | TheSeven curses the "safe, slow, stupid" algorithm he's using in the FTL and NAND driver right now, which is slowing things down massively |
| 10:57:02 | TheSeven | I really need to work on parallelizing things once it's working fine |
| 10:58:36 | TheSeven | 839 files, 243 MB, still running fine... |
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| 11:02:54 | TheSeven | locked up again :-/ |
| 11:03:25 | * | TheSeven thinks that this may be related to moving his ipod around a little |
| 11:03:42 | TheSeven | gevaerts: how stable are the transfer error recovery procedures in the usb core and storage? |
| 11:04:20 | gevaerts | TheSeven: a bus reset should clear everything |
| 11:04:38 | TheSeven | ...in theory, yes. so the host is responsible for recovering from that |
| 11:04:47 | gevaerts | yes |
| 11:06:36 | TheSeven | but the fact that the hid died at the same time and works again after reconnecting clearly points towards USB, not the FTL |
| 11:06:36 | gevaerts | TheSeven: something that I've done in the past is comment out the storage_write calls in usb_storage.c, and use dd to write large amounts of data |
| 11:06:36 | gevaerts | how long did you wait to see if it recovers? |
| 11:06:49 | TheSeven | until windows failed the transfer and showed the drive as empty, after the transfer was stuck for like a minute |
| 11:07:31 | gevaerts | sounds likely to be USB, yes |
| 11:08:54 | TheSeven | bah. looks like one of the failing transfers damaged the FS a little |
| 11:09:32 | TheSeven | windows complains that the file or directory could not be *read* while trying to continue copying |
| 11:09:32 | TheSeven | let's try a chkdsk /f |
| 11:10:48 | TheSeven | ok, that ran fine and it caught damaged directory entries in the system32 folder, so it probably was a consequence of the failed connection, not FTL issues |
| 11:11:12 | TheSeven | and it tells me that the .rockbox\eqs folder is damaged in a non-recoverable way |
| 11:12:01 | TheSeven | ...and themes and codepages and wps\boxes and wps\cabbiev2 and lots of interconnected clusterchains |
| 11:12:13 | TheSeven | looks like the fat suffered quite a lot as well |
| 11:13:12 | TheSeven | from chkdsk's behavior i'd say a block of the FAT was just zeroed out, which may point to the FTL again |
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| 11:22:14 | tomers | Is there any binary build of tools for win32 anywhere? |
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| 11:23:44 | linuxstb | tomers: No |
| 11:24:29 | pixelma | tomers: the MacOS 10.4 USB problem is not fixed |
| 11:25:11 | tomers | pixelma: So we should close this issue as WON'T FIX or even INVALID, as it is a non-RB bug |
| 11:25:29 | gevaerts | tomers: I wouldn't do that until we have a setting to disable HID |
| 11:26:22 | tomers | linuxstb: Don't you think it should be built somewhere (build system)? I want to install Cowon, not at home, so I don't have a build system, and I am on Windows... What should I do (it is nat part of rbutil yet) |
| 11:26:23 | tomers | ? |
| 11:26:58 | tomers | gevaerts: So I guess I have to implement such feature, right? (tried to avoid that, hoping the OSX issue will be fixed) |
| 11:27:00 | pixelma | I agree with gevaerts, otherwise people won't be able to access their devices on that OS at all without being able to compile their own build without HID |
| 11:27:34 | tomers | gevaerts: I could implement that in the next couple of days |
| 11:27:37 | linuxstb | tomers: I don't understand your question... Are you saying that the required binaries to install the Cowon D2 build are not available on the download server? |
| 11:28:17 | tomers | linuxstb: I think they're not there. I need tools/mktccboot compiled to Windows. That was my original question |
| 11:28:37 | * | TheSeven is experiencing weird problems like winrar being unable to extract rockbox-full.zip to the ipod directly but working if you just open the zip file and drag'n'dropping the files |
| 11:32:33 | linuxstb | tomers: No, your original question was about "tools" in general. But yes, if that's required to install on the Cowon D2, it should be on the download server (or the D2 should be relegated back down to Unusable) |
| 11:34:34 | tomers | linuxstb: Are you going to fix it? Will it be part of the current build? |
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| 11:34:51 | linuxstb | The easy fix is to relegate the D2 back down to unusable... |
| 11:35:08 | linuxstb | (as it isn't meeting the critera for unstable) |
| 11:38:20 | linuxstb | tomers: Bootloaders (and the tools needed to install them) are not built automatically - someone needs to make a release and ask Zagor/Bagder to put the files on download.rockbox.org |
| 11:43:11 | tomers | linuxstb: Don't you think these should be build like current build is built? (daily / every commit)? |
| 11:43:38 | TheSeven | uh oh.... it looks like data can be read back fine as long as it's in scattered page vbs, but sometimes things are getting lost while trying to commit them? |
| 11:44:36 | tomers | linuxstb: How much work is expected from getting rbutil support the D2? I might do that... But I guess we need to have bootloader and tools be on download.rockbox.org |
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| 11:47:37 | linuxstb | tomers: No - on many targets (D2 included I think), a bad bootloader can brick the device. So we just want known-good releases. |
| 11:47:38 | swilde | Hi *, I'm having an strange problem with my Sansa C240: |
| 11:47:38 | swilde | When connection to computer A (GNU/Linux Debian Lenny) I get two USB MSC devices: sda for the internal flash and sdb for the micro sd card inserted in the dap. On computer B (GNU/Linux Debian Lenny, too) I only get one USB MSC device: sda for the internal flash. The only known differences are: system A has USB2.0 system B only 1.x and the kernels differ (one 2.6.29.x one 2.6.30.x). Any Ideas what might be the cause of the problem? |
| 11:50:14 | tomers | linuxstb: Is the D2 bootloader not safe at the moment? (don't want to brick mine..) |
| 11:52:04 | gevaerts | the D2 is pretty safe IIRC. You can boot using tcctool to recover |
| 11:52:14 | TheSeven | IIRC gevaerts said that D2s aren't very easy to brick |
| 11:52:19 | TheSeven | ah yes. |
| 11:52:37 | polobricolo | TheSeven: with the usb enabled i can' |
| 11:52:41 | gevaerts | swilde: B doesn't have the CONFIG_SCSI_MULTI_LUN option in the kernel |
| 11:52:46 | polobricolo | *can't load some plugins |
| 11:52:58 | polobricolo | undefined instruction |
| 11:53:23 | polobricolo | eg with mpegplayer |
| 11:53:37 | tomers | gevaerts: If it's safe, what is preventing it from being in rbutil? |
| 11:54:08 | swilde | gevaerts: Oh, that sounds like a logical explanation! Thanks a lot. |
| 11:54:22 | gevaerts | tomers: someone needs to do the work? I don't know... |
| 11:55:29 | tomers | gevaerts: I was suggesting trying to work on it (provided the BL and tools are saef enough). Asked linuxstb what is the scope of such thing (time) and he said it's not that safe... I'm confuzed here. |
| 11:56:08 | tomers | s/confuzed/confused |
| 11:57:00 | amiconn | TheSeven: Does test_disk.rock "Write & Verify" work on Nano2g without reporting errors? |
| 11:57:49 | TheSeven | amiconn: the problem is that the storage layer has a cache-like thing of ~20MB which makes these things hard to test |
| 11:58:10 | amiconn | test_disk.rock writes and then reads a total of 300MB (except on Ondio) |
| 11:59:02 | amiconn | It uses the prng to generate this data, so comparing it needs no stored value, just the same seed |
| 11:59:05 | * | TheSeven will first need to recover his file system before trying that |
| 11:59:17 | gevaerts | tomers: linuxstb said that using an autobuilt bootloader is not a good idea |
| 11:59:21 | amiconn | It also uses (pseudo-) random blocksizes |
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| 12:00:20 | polobricolo | what does "incompatible version" mean ? i get that when loading a file (txt or mpg) |
| 12:00:32 | tomers | gevaerts: OK, I get it. So that's why we're tagging BLs, right? |
| 12:01:17 | gevaerts | no, that's why we're *releasing* bootloaders. Tagging is to be able to find the release source easily :) |
| 12:02:09 | tomers | tomers: same same for me :-) It's like saying - this one is good at the moment. If anyone screws things later, no harm done |
| 12:02:30 | tomers | s/tomers/gevaerts/ :-) |
| 12:05:42 | * | polobricolo just realized he updated his rockbox bin but not his dir |
| 12:07:12 | * | linuxstb wonders what the phrase "a compiled bootloader" means on the TargetClassifications page |
| 12:10:52 | TheSeven | how do i compile that test_disk.rock? |
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| 12:11:57 | linuxstb | TheSeven: Add test_disk.c to apps/plugins/SOURCECS |
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| 12:27:52 | TheSeven | am i correct that this test_disk thing only does sequential writes? |
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| 12:36:33 | * | TheSeven can't reproduce any problems using test_disk.rock |
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| 12:50:30 | Crackerizerizer | hello |
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| 12:51:15 | Crackerizerizer | I'd like to ask something about font and graphics. |
| 12:51:29 | Torne | then as it |
| 12:51:31 | Torne | ask, even |
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| 12:52:03 | Crackerizerizer | I found out that latest svn code has a lot of graphic api changed. |
| 12:52:06 | pondlife | I haven't started an investigation yet, but a new simulator built today keeps pausing itself, every few mins. Any idea why that might be - I'd guess some kind of HID thing... |
| 12:52:57 | tomers | pondlife: HID is not enabled in simulator |
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| 12:53:09 | Crackerizerizer | my old patch for thai font doesnt work anymore and i'm a little confusing. |
| 12:53:13 | pondlife | OK - one theory out then |
| 12:55:07 | * | TheSeven just caught another worm creeping out of the can |
| 12:55:53 | Crackerizerizer | How are fonts drawn now? |
| 12:56:45 | Torne | Crackerizerizer: what revision was the patch for? |
| 12:57:21 | Crackerizerizer | Torne: I'm not sure. may be before 3.2 released. |
| 12:57:36 | Torne | is it on FS? |
| 12:57:47 | Crackerizerizer | I saw a lot of change in the graphic api. |
| 12:57:52 | Torne | like what? |
| 12:58:21 | Crackerizerizer | I mean in the lcd driver. |
| 12:58:33 | Crackerizerizer | my patch was applied to the lcd driver. |
| 12:58:50 | Crackerizerizer | I'm not so sure. |
| 12:58:53 | Torne | you mean changes to the implementation, not the API? |
| 12:59:00 | Crackerizerizer | yes. |
| 12:59:06 | Torne | don't say API then :) |
| 12:59:07 | Torne | A whole bunch of new ifdefs have been added for vertical packed LCDs |
| 12:59:11 | Torne | it may be that? |
| 12:59:14 | Crackerizerizer | :) sorry. |
| 12:59:24 | Torne | is the patch in flyspray? |
| 12:59:30 | Crackerizerizer | yes |
| 12:59:44 | Torne | ..which number? |
| 12:59:46 | Crackerizerizer | it corrects vowel and tonal maker position. |
| 12:59:55 | Crackerizerizer | give me a second. |
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| 13:00:51 | Crackerizerizer | I also see that there is an arabjoin library in the source code. |
| 13:01:07 | Torne | yes, people have been working on RTL support lately |
| 13:01:12 | Crackerizerizer | which i didnt see in my previous check out. |
| 13:01:19 | Torne | which may also be relevant |
| 13:01:34 | Crackerizerizer | emm..this is interesting. |
| 13:02:01 | Crackerizerizer | because i may write a new patch for thai. |
| 13:02:23 | Crackerizerizer | Torne: 9595 |
| 13:03:29 | Torne | m |
| 13:03:32 | Torne | Hm, even |
| 13:03:47 | Torne | So your patch is doing combining characters? |
| 13:03:54 | Crackerizerizer | yes |
| 13:03:58 | Torne | but only for your specific requirements :) |
| 13:04:06 | Crackerizerizer | yes :) |
| 13:04:11 | Torne | that shouldn't be too difficult to bring up to date with svn |
| 13:04:16 | Torne | but it's not going tobe committed like that, for sure :) |
| 13:04:27 | Crackerizerizer | I'd like to make it more generic. |
| 13:05:06 | Torne | Is it really sufficient to do combining chars like that in all fonts (by just overprinting in foreground?) |
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| 13:06:15 | Crackerizerizer | I think so, if that font has thai. |
| 13:06:17 | pondlife | Wow - this is really annoying ... the sim pauses (i.e. just like I pressed the PLAY/PAUSE button) every minute or so. Time to svn up -r, I guess... |
| 13:06:50 | Crackerizerizer | I use that patch for almost a year now without any problem. |
| 13:07:12 | Torne | Crackerizerizer: yes, but my point i syou have only used it for thai |
| 13:07:21 | Torne | there are lots of languages that need combining chars. |
| 13:07:26 | Torne | I guess it's reasonable, though. |
| 13:07:38 | Crackerizerizer | oh, yes. |
| 13:07:58 | Torne | I think a proper patch to support combining character rendering in rockbox, for unicode in general, would have a reasonable chance of being looked at |
| 13:08:02 | Crackerizerizer | but i dont know if other language has the same combination as thai. |
| 13:08:30 | Torne | other languages won't use the same combinations, no |
| 13:08:45 | Torne | but the mechanism works similarly/the same in all languages in unicode, afaik |
| 13:10:01 | Crackerizerizer | Torne: how is that? |
| 13:10:26 | TheSeven | the absolute killer FTL test seems to be extracting rockbox-full.zip twice (overwriting), then copying some 350MB of music (multiple folders) and then copying over system32 :-P |
| 13:10:32 | Torne | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combining_character |
| 13:11:40 | Zagor | system32, that's cruel |
| 13:12:01 | Zagor | ;) |
| 13:12:35 | Crackerizerizer | I'm reading. let's talk about how fonts are drawn in rockbox. |
| 13:13:20 | TheSeven | looks like a USB fluke killed the transfer once again |
| 13:13:24 | Crackerizerizer | Torne: can you give me an over view. |
| 13:16:07 | Crackerizerizer | or at least, a direction. |
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| 13:33:31 | polobricolo | where is the wakeup struct defined ? |
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| 13:53:10 | amiconn | TheSeven: test_disk does filesystem writes, which are not just sequential. The data is written sequentially, but fat updates and directory updates are out of sequence, as well as possible fragmentation |
| 13:53:42 | pondlife | http://www.rockbox.org/since34.html isn't displaying much... |
| 13:54:32 | topik | it does here |
| 13:55:02 | pondlife | http://www.rockbox.org/since33.html is ok, but since34 has no table |
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| 13:56:04 | topik | only 969 validation errors. perhaps that explains it |
| 13:56:14 | pondlife | Ah, ctrl-refresh fixed it, ignore me |
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| 14:02:10 | markun | Crackerizerizer: did you download the source? |
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| 14:02:45 | Crackerizerizer | yes, i checked out from svn |
| 14:03:04 | Crackerizerizer | yesterday |
| 14:03:12 | markun | ok, let me see where you could start |
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| 14:04:17 | Crackerizerizer | markun: thank you. |
| 14:05:23 | Crackerizerizer | my previous patch combines charecters in the lcd driver. |
| 14:05:40 | Crackerizerizer | but i think there should be a better way. |
| 14:06:12 | markun | in firmware/drivers/lcd-bitmap-common.c? |
| 14:06:38 | markun | can I see your patch? |
| 14:07:09 | Crackerizerizer | It doesnt work any more in the latest code. |
| 14:07:22 | markun | still, can you give me a link? |
| 14:07:29 | Crackerizerizer | patch no: 9595 |
| 14:07:43 | markun | thanks |
| 14:07:44 | Crackerizerizer | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9595?string=thai&project=1&type%5B0%5D=4&sev%5B0%5D=&pri%5B0%5D=&due%5B0%5D=&reported%5B0%5D=&cat%5B0%5D=&status%5B0%5D=open&percent%5B0%5D=&opened=&dev=&closed=&duedatefrom=&duedateto=&changedfrom=&changedto=&openedfrom=&openedto=&closedfrom=&closedto= |
| 14:08:01 | Crackerizerizer | It is dirty but works |
| 14:08:06 | Crackerizerizer | only for thai. |
| 14:08:48 | Crackerizerizer | and i've been thinking about make it more generic. |
| 14:09:10 | * | kugel wonders about rasher's statement that rockbox would be C89 |
| 14:09:54 | kugel | Crackerizerizer: looks like the patch has 3 identical hunks |
| 14:10:04 | Crackerizerizer | yes |
| 14:10:05 | markun | kugel: he knows that already :) |
| 14:10:08 | kugel | seems to be enough to copy&paste 1 of them into lcd-bitmap-common.c |
| 14:10:51 | Crackerizerizer | what about making rockbox to support character combining for the other languages. |
| 14:11:03 | Crackerizerizer | ? |
| 14:11:19 | markun | of course we would want that |
| 14:11:28 | Crackerizerizer | I'm reading how the combination works.. |
| 14:11:47 | markun | we had a request for (I think) ababic combining chars as well |
| 14:11:51 | markun | arabic |
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| 14:13:01 | markun | Crackerizerizer: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=22388.msg156182#msg156182 |
| 14:13:08 | markun | :) |
| 14:15:49 | Crackerizerizer | markun: thanks |
| 14:16:30 | Crackerizerizer | it seems that a string need to be preprocessed before drawn. |
| 14:16:55 | markun | what do you mean? |
| 14:18:13 | markun | the characters that get combined would have to be ignored when calculating the string width and skipped when scrolling |
| 14:18:39 | markun | is the combining glyph added before or after? |
| 14:19:47 | Crackerizerizer | markun: in thai? |
| 14:19:59 | markun | Crackerizerizer: also in thai, yes |
| 14:20:08 | markun | I assume it's the same with all of them, no? |
| 14:20:38 | markun | did you have problems with scrolling with your patch? |
| 14:20:43 | Crackerizerizer | I think so, it is after in thai. |
| 14:20:55 | Crackerizerizer | not at all. |
| 14:21:10 | Crackerizerizer | it works great for supported font. |
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| 14:22:34 | Yadda | Hey, quick question. I'm modding an iPod 5G, and want to make a matching theme. Can someone give me pointers on making rockbox themes? |
| 14:23:01 | Yadda | er, can I HAVE pointers on it. I don't want to set myself up for the 'yes' answer. |
| 14:23:09 | Yadda | ...oh god, I did it again. |
| 14:23:19 | Yadda | what are some pointers, then. |
| 14:23:30 | topik | pointers are sort of tips |
| 14:23:39 | Yadda | *trying to be upyeah. |
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| 14:23:42 | Yadda | dammit |
| 14:23:45 | Yadda | didn't backspace all the way |
| 14:23:55 | Yadda | yeah, I want tips on theme-makinging. :P |
| 14:24:30 | topik | take a look at existing themes |
| 14:24:35 | topik | and use http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/CustomWPS as a reference |
| 14:24:45 | linuxstb | Yadda: Plus http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SimpleGuideToWPSMaking |
| 14:24:46 | Crackerizerizer | and in thai, there is second level diacritic called tonal maker. |
| 14:25:06 | topik | and use the simulator to test your theme-in-progress |
| 14:25:11 | Yadda | AHA. Those links are exactly what I was looking for. |
| 14:25:37 | Yadda | I'm making a Half-Life 2 themed iPod, and figured that if I want to go the whole nine yards, why not make a rockbox theme. |
| 14:25:43 | markun | Crackerizerizer: so what is the challenge? Shouldn't we just draw the all the combining glyphs over the previous one? |
| 14:26:21 | topik | that's a rhetorical question, right? |
| 14:26:59 | Yadda | So yeah, the main problem is the cost of parts. |
| 14:27:04 | Crackerizerizer | markun: i'm checking if other languages use the same trick. |
| 14:27:09 | Yadda | Damn iPod parts vendors are insane. |
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| 14:27:56 | Crackerizerizer | if they are, the patch should be easy. |
| 14:28:23 | markun | yes, just make a lookup table to see which characters have a zero-width advance |
| 14:29:43 | Yadda | Any tips on how to get a LED in the back of the iPod turn on when the iPod comes out of sleep mode? >>; |
| 14:30:04 | Crackerizerizer | is rockbox supported any character combination? |
| 14:30:42 | markun | What do you mean exactly? |
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| 14:31:56 | * | TheSeven didn't know that iPods had LEDs, besides the backlight |
| 14:32:32 | markun | Crackerizerizer: did you see http://rishida.net/docs/unicode-tutorial/part3 ? |
| 14:32:40 | markun | not that we can support all of that.. |
| 14:33:13 | kugel | TheSeven: any plans about frequency scaling on nano2g? |
| 14:33:59 | TheSeven | kugel: it doesn't seem to yield much additional battery life |
| 14:34:04 | linuxstb | kugel: Have you read the IpodNano2GPort wiki page? |
| 14:34:08 | TheSeven | i haven't tried undervolting yet, though |
| 14:34:25 | kugel | linuxstb: yes, not thoughoutly though |
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| 14:36:23 | kugel | TheSeven: did you messure the current? |
| 14:37:50 | TheSeven | yes, scaling down to half speed seemed to reduce it by ~10%, but only if you also clock down the PLL, which means that the APB clock won't be stable during that |
| 14:38:25 | * | TheSeven wonders where all the other power consumption is coming from |
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| 14:43:44 | kugel | it sounds strange that frequency has so little impact. of course, unless there's another factor that makes all other facters having a little influence |
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| 14:50:32 | Crackerizerizer | markun: thanks |
| 14:52:40 | TheSeven | kugel: the main advantage of speed scaling will probably be being able to undervolt to an even lower level |
| 14:53:01 | Crackerizerizer | markun: are fonts in rockbox fixed font? |
| 14:53:45 | TheSeven | you mean fixed width? then no. |
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| 14:54:03 | kugel | wow, why is the scrolling going so crazy with the wheel acceleration? |
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| 14:55:08 | kugel | is it polled or interrupt driven? |
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| 14:55:38 | Crackerizerizer | TheSeven: Thanks |
| 14:55:55 | TheSeven | kugel: interupt-driven |
| 14:56:08 | kugel | I got a state where it actually accelerates, but it doesn't scroll fluently |
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| 14:56:27 | kugel | instead it does a big jump every 100ms |
| 14:56:44 | Torne | Crackerizerizer: Back, soryr, work internet went down |
| 14:56:52 | kugel | I'm not sure the interrupt works as expected |
| 14:57:27 | TheSeven | kugel: i would rather blame that on accelleration schemes used for button-based scrolling targets |
| 14:57:38 | Torne | Crackerizerizer: as far as I know all combining chars work the same in unicode; certain characters are just always interpreted as being combined with the one before (sometimes multiple ones in sequence) |
| 14:57:48 | kugel | TheSeven: huh? |
| 14:57:58 | kugel | the code is different for button-based acceleration |
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| 14:58:01 | Torne | so it's literally just a matter of having a lookup table and not advancing the drawing position for those |
| 14:58:13 | TheSeven | and i think the rockbox driver reduces the wheel accuracy a great deal, by reducing it to 16 or such steps instead of 96 |
| 14:58:14 | Torne | but yes, it probably does affect scrolling/etc as well |
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| 14:58:29 | TheSeven | (as a single step usually means scrolling a single item) |
| 14:58:43 | Torne | i expect we'd need to also skip them when counting the width of a line etc |
| 14:59:47 | TheSeven | kugel: is the scrolling accelleration done by firing button events more quickly from the button driver, or is there also something makes it scroll more steps per button event? |
| 14:59:49 | kugel | TheSeven: the wheel responds very slowly, especially if you move the finger faster. that's not what you experience on e200 or fuze for example where it's basically instant |
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| 15:00:39 | * | TheSeven doesn't have any other targets, so he can't judge on this |
| 15:00:55 | Crackerizerizer | I have checked what thai font look like. |
| 15:01:06 | kugel | I can, and there's defintiely something fishy |
| 15:01:15 | TheSeven | but the wheel and lowlevel driver code shouldn't be the issue here, that's responding very fast in an ibugger-based testing app |
| 15:01:31 | TheSeven | so it must be hiding in some more highlevel place like acceleration code |
| 15:01:43 | Torne | Crackerizerizer: http://unicode.org/notes/tn2/ <- this is a technote on how to render combining chars :) |
| 15:01:54 | Torne | though unicode.org seems to be timing out for me, but it's in google cache. |
| 15:02:25 | Torne | I dunno that it's really appropriate to us though. |
| 15:02:26 | Crackerizerizer | as i mentioned before, vowel and tonal maker have different vertical position. So, my patch works. |
| 15:02:45 | kugel | TheSeven: I doubt the higher level code is on fault |
| 15:02:54 | Torne | Crackerizerizer: the problem is things like horizontal width.. |
| 15:03:00 | kugel | it works fine for a dozen other scrollwheel targets |
| 15:03:11 | Torne | Crackerizerizer: where to place the combining char horizontally relative to the character it's being combined with |
| 15:03:23 | TheSeven | kugel: I'm not saying it's outside the clickwheel driver, but it's definitely not that ints aren't coming through |
| 15:03:30 | Torne | e.g. if the main character is 9 pixels wide and the combining character is 3 pixels wide |
| 15:03:40 | Torne | you probably don't want to put them both at the same X coord. |
| 15:03:45 | Torne | as that's likely to look weird |
| 15:04:31 | Crackerizerizer | Torne: let's me check my previous patch. |
| 15:05:02 | Torne | You do draw them all at the same left position |
| 15:05:12 | Torne | which means that narrow combining chars on wide base chars will be too far to the left |
| 15:05:17 | Torne | (for many languages) |
| 15:05:25 | Torne | It may be that it doesn't look too bad for thai |
| 15:05:34 | Torne | but it would look weird for, say, regular Roman characters with accents |
| 15:05:48 | kugel | TheSeven: it's strange, I notice that I have a working acceleration. but the UI is responding so slow |
| 15:06:18 | TheSeven | yes, that's my impression, too |
| 15:06:18 | Crackerizerizer | Torne: Emm, correct. |
| 15:06:42 | TheSeven | and i somehow tend to blame it on highlevel UI code not being able to cope with the events coming in fast enough |
| 15:06:53 | kugel | TheSeven: ah, it's actually only slow in the filebrowser |
| 15:07:24 | Crackerizerizer | what about applying the patch based on language/charset setting in rockbox? |
| 15:07:36 | TheSeven | hm, my filebrowser is responding like every other menu, but the behavior of e.g. logf is driving me mad |
| 15:08:02 | kugel | scrolling through the volume levels in the setting is blazing fast compared to filebrowser |
| 15:08:13 | Torne | Crackerizerizer: I dunno how happy people would be to have a hacky solution that kinda looks ok for just one language |
| 15:08:21 | Torne | :) |
| 15:08:26 | Torne | even if it was only applied to that language. |
| 15:08:29 | topik | database screen scrolls slower too for me |
| 15:08:42 | Torne | which is already the case for your patch without a setting.. nobody else is going to be using Thai combining marks |
| 15:09:07 | Torne | (the same is not true of the more general combining chars though: acute/grave/umlaut/macron/etc |
| 15:09:31 | kugel | browsing tracks in the database is most horrible |
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| 15:10:46 | Crackerizerizer | Torne: I'm thinking about applying the patch based on language/charset setting. |
| 15:11:02 | Torne | Crackerizerizer: yes, i don't think that's going to be considered, is what i'm saying. |
| 15:11:19 | Torne | Crackerizerizer: I would guess that the 'minimum' to do, which would probably be fine for your case and for many others, is to render the combining char in the way you do, but center it horizontally with respect to the base character |
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| 15:11:42 | Torne | that works about as well as we can reasonably manage in our font system, for almost all combining chars commonly used in many languages |
| 15:11:43 | kugel | the jumpiness using ipodnano1g defines is probably due to the usage of current_tick instead of a usec timer |
| 15:13:06 | Torne | Crackerizerizer: if you implemented that, with a full list of which characters are combining chars, and the binsize impact was not too much then that could probably get committed |
| 15:13:22 | Torne | Crackerizerizer: the only dodgy case there that I can think of is combining chars which are *wider* than the base char they are applied to |
| 15:13:33 | Torne | e.g. if you shove an accent on an 'i' in a font where 'i' is only 1 pixel wide |
| 15:13:46 | kugel | TheSeven: I think button-clickwheel can't work properly with current_tick. the driver is designed for calculating the speed from wheel changes from 1 us to another |
| 15:14:19 | Crackerizerizer | Torne: I got your point now. |
| 15:14:31 | * | TheSeven needs to implement the usec timer then |
| 15:14:46 | Torne | Crackerizerizer: A neat patch that did that could probably go in, even if it's not perfect for every language |
| 15:14:54 | Torne | it sounds like that would be sufficient for you, at least |
| 15:14:59 | Torne | and it would probably work fine for some others. |
| 15:15:17 | Torne | if some language finds that's not sufficient then someone who knows baout rendering that language would probably have to propose a fix. |
| 15:15:43 | kugel | TheSeven: basically, it uses the time difference to messure the accel factor. but with current_tick the time difference is 0 in most of the cases. |
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| 15:16:29 | Crackerizerizer | Torne: Emm, then my previous patch with a little modification should be ok? at least for me :) |
| 15:16:39 | Torne | Crackerizerizer: Hm? |
| 15:17:02 | Torne | Crackerizerizer: I mean one that works for all combining chars in unicode |
| 15:17:03 | Torne | not just thai |
| 15:17:06 | kugel | TheSeven: it doesn't necessarily have to be a usec timer |
| 15:17:20 | Torne | it doesn't necessarily have to be the optimal way to render it for all languages |
| 15:17:43 | kugel | we could use the TIMER1 value that is used for the tick interrupt in the early samsa days without actually implementing it as a usec_timer or even having a udelay() |
| 15:17:44 | TheSeven | we don't have anything more accurate than the tick timer right now, but i know that the HW must have a usec one |
| 15:17:46 | Torne | i think it's fair to assume that "render combining chars centered over the base char" is acceptable for our purposes |
| 15:17:56 | Torne | at least until someone tells us otherwise |
| 15:18:12 | Crackerizerizer | Torne: then, i need to find more knowledge. |
| 15:18:23 | Torne | Crackerizerizer: hm? how so? |
| 15:18:43 | Crackerizerizer | reading wikipedia and other sources. |
| 15:18:58 | kugel | TheSeven: the timer used for tick task interrupts is probably accurate enough. you may need to do some scaling if it's way off from "1 value change = 1 usec" |
| 15:19:14 | Torne | Crackerizerizer: Well yes, but that shouldn't be that difficult |
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| 15:19:34 | TheSeven | 1 value change = 1ms I think |
| 15:19:37 | TheSeven | or was it 100µS? |
| 15:19:44 | kugel | what's the frequency? |
| 15:20:22 | TheSeven | just looked it up, it's 100µS = 10kHz |
| 15:20:31 | Crackerizerizer | Torne: yes, just making sure for other language. |
| 15:20:39 | kugel | 100us seems sufficient to me, I'll have a play |
| 15:20:42 | TheSeven | in fact implementing the usec timer won't be any harder i think |
| 15:20:45 | Torne | Crackerizerizer: think of it this way: if you do a little work now to make it generally useful then you won't have to keep updating your patch when we change the code :) |
| 15:20:54 | kugel | I have the ipod for another 3 hours |
| 15:21:35 | Crackerizerizer | Torne and others: thanks for your help, hopefully i can get it done tonight. |
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| 15:21:48 | gevaerts | kugel: we'll tell you how to brick it in 175 minutes :) |
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| 15:22:05 | Torne | Crackerizerizer: no problem |
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| 15:22:50 | Torne | Crackerizerizer: we like people who are willing to rework patches for acceptance! :) |
| 15:23:41 | TheSeven | kugel: http://pastie.org/663436 |
| 15:23:57 | TheSeven | that's how apple is accessing something that seems to be a usec timer at least |
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| 15:28:15 | Crackerizerizer | it seems that rockbox's recent code is better organized. :) |
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| 15:38:28 | kugel | TheSeven: I don't have the ds, any idea what 0x3C700084 is? |
| 15:40:31 | kugel | a 5th timer? |
| 15:40:55 | TheSeven | it's undocumented, but beneath the timer regs |
| 15:41:30 | TheSeven | if it would be a regular timer, 80/84 would be the control/command regs, so that's probably not true |
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| 15:41:52 | TheSeven | what about just showing their contents on the dbg_ports screen? |
| 15:42:26 | kugel | good plan |
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| 15:53:17 | kugel | hrm, the cursor moves by just touching the wheel slightly without rotating |
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| 16:02:57 | TheSeven | sounds a little hyper-sensitive... |
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| 16:04:56 | kugel | I think I have found a reasonable acceleration, but the respnsiveness is still really slow |
| 16:05:48 | kugel | it feels like the caches were turned off |
| 16:06:04 | TheSeven | yes, but they aren't |
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| 16:10:06 | kugel | test_fps shows 50fps, so that's not the problem. the ui sluggishness is strange |
| 16:10:37 | TheSeven | hm. my test_fps is around 70 for full screen RGB |
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| 16:17:46 | kugel | it seems the more and longer the strings to display are, the slower is the ui |
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| 16:22:49 | linuxstb | TheSeven: That's possibly the different LCDs - IIRC, I got exactly 54fps for both RGB and YUV full-screen updates. |
| 16:28:33 | rasher | kugel: I'm pretty sure that's what I was told way back when (C89) |
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| 16:31:42 | * | TheSeven wonders if there are cans that can contain infinite amounts of worms. |
| 16:32:29 | esalazioneHg | hi!i'm trying to put rockbox on my ipod nano 2gen, but i have trouble with the ipodpatcher |
| 16:33:11 | esalazioneHg | after lunching ./ipodpatcher it shows some infos and terminate with "2gen nano unsupported by ipodpatcher" |
| 16:33:54 | linuxstb | esalazioneHg: Sounds like you're using an old version of ipodpatcher. |
| 16:34:07 | linuxstb | Where did you download it from? (and when?) |
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| 16:34:32 | esalazioneHg | i've just downloaded it from http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/ipodpatcher/linux32x86/ |
| 16:34:46 | esalazioneHg | as said in the guide for ipod 2gen nano |
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| 16:35:06 | kugel | try with sudo |
| 16:35:12 | esalazioneHg | i'm root |
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| 16:35:41 | linuxstb | esalazioneHg: What version number is reported by ipodpatcher? |
| 16:35:41 | esalazioneHg | when i lunch ./ipodpatcher it sais |
| 16:35:41 | esalazioneHg | ipodpatcher 4.0 with v3.0 bootloaders (v1.0 for 2nd Gen Nano) |
| 16:35:53 | gevaerts | what does lsusb output for the ipod? |
| 16:36:12 | esalazioneHg | Bus 001 Device 006: ID 05ac:1260 Apple, Inc. iPod Nano 2.Gen |
| 16:36:40 | TheSeven | looks sane... |
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| 16:37:10 | amiconn | markun: Simpyl drawing combining marks over the base char won't work properly, due to the draw modes |
| 16:37:10 | esalazioneHg | do you want i paste the output of ipodpatcher? |
| 16:37:46 | TheSeven | can't hurt, but please use a pastebin for anything more than a few lines |
| 16:38:02 | esalazioneHg | ok :) |
| 16:38:12 | amiconn | It could be made to work for DRMODE_SOLID (combining would then need DRMODE_FG) and plain DRMODE_FG and for the actual inverse of each |
| 16:38:22 | amiconn | So half of the modes wouldn't work. |
| 16:39:50 | amiconn | For combining to work properly, we'd need an intermediate bitmap. One of my (too many :\) ideas is to add such intermediate bitmap for text drawing. It would also allow for easy algorithmic emboldening |
| 16:39:52 | esalazioneHg | http://pastebin.com/d2f92ea7f |
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| 16:40:19 | TheSeven | btw, is any nano2g user still experiencing "ATA error: 1"? |
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| 16:40:50 | linuxstb | esalazioneHg: That's very weird... Let me test that binary... |
| 16:41:21 | amiconn | It might even speed up text drawing, if the intermediate bitmap resides in iram, because there would be fewer calls to lcd_mono_bitmap(), drawing multiple chars each |
| 16:42:09 | TheSeven | linuxstb: this binary does at least contain the string "[ERR] *** ipodpatcher does not support the 2nd Generation Nano! ***" |
| 16:42:32 | * | linuxstb has found the bug... |
| 16:42:56 | Torne | amiconn: that's a good point, hrm |
| 16:43:12 | esalazioneHg | heheheh |
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| 16:43:16 | linuxstb | esalazioneHg: The problem seems to be that ipodpatcher still has an old check for the Nano2g, but that only succeeds with an older version of the Apple firmware. |
| 16:44:02 | TheSeven | wow, there are still nano2gs with old firmwares? i would have thought itunes would have caught these by now. |
| 16:44:59 | esalazioneHg | hehehe, i don't use iTunes, so i never updated the firmware |
| 16:45:22 | esalazioneHg | i don't know if gtkpod could update a firmware too |
| 16:45:57 | linuxstb | esalazioneHg: Can you try linuxstb.cream.org/rockbox/ipodpatcher">http://linuxstb.cream.org/rockbox/ipodpatcher ? |
| 16:46:41 | esalazioneHg | i'll try it now |
| 16:48:29 | esalazioneHg | it seems to work... now i write "i" and try to install...i'll let you know the result ;) |
| 16:48:55 | esalazioneHg | [INFO] Bootloader installed successfully. |
| 16:49:25 | esalazioneHg | yahoooo! i'll try to switch on the ipod..but i think it's all ok |
| 16:50:02 | amiconn | TheSeven: Error returns in rockbox should *always* be negative |
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| 16:50:48 | esalazioneHg | ok, it works! thanks guys!! |
| 16:53:03 | TheSeven | amiconn: that's something to add to CONTRIBUTING then? |
| 16:53:18 | TheSeven | (or however that guideline file is called) |
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| 17:19:34 | pondlife | OK, I've found the revision that breaks the H300 sim button handling a bit. See http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10702... |
| 17:19:52 | pondlife | r22799 is the first version that shows the problem. |
| 17:20:29 | polobricolo | is there an curses version ofthe simulator ? |
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| 17:21:06 | Torne | polobricolo: no. |
| 17:23:43 | pondlife | kugel: ping |
| 17:26:52 | pamaury | gevaerts: ping |
| 17:28:14 | CIA-85 | New commit by theseven (r23307): Fix another bunch of iPod Nano 2G FTL bugs. It seems to work fine for me now, but this doesn't necessarily mean that it's bug-free. |
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| 17:30:18 | TheSeven | btw, what about a build system IRC bot that reminds you if you've caused a red? |
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| 17:30:46 | pondlife | Good idea (or a yellow, indeed)... |
| 17:31:10 | kugel | pondlife: pong |
| 17:31:56 | Hillshum | TheSeven: This has come up before. I think Bagder implemented a mail blamer |
| 17:32:17 | pondlife | kugel: I'm having problems with the SDL button driver (I think). Any idea why I might get spurious buton presses on the H300 sim since you redid the driver way back in r22799? |
| 17:32:27 | TheSeven | it would be noticed more quickly if it would ping the one to blame on IRC |
| 17:32:53 | kugel | pondlife: no idea sorry |
| 17:33:01 | Hillshum | TheSeven: Yeah, and more convenient in general |
| 17:33:13 | pondlife | No problem, just thought you might - and save me working it out! |
| 17:33:15 | kugel | have you tracked it down to that revision? kkurbjun changed it a bit after too |
| 17:33:46 | pondlife | Yes, all ok in 22798, broken in 22799 |
| 17:34:34 | pondlife | Totally reproducible here - I've just put some printf stuff in the SDL driver and am awaiting a failure |
| 17:35:48 | pondlife | Aha - no + button press, yet still it paused... |
| 17:37:26 | kugel | just by printf'ing? |
| 17:37:50 | pondlife | Just an "OUCH" in the case.. |
| 17:38:28 | kugel | hm, I was running the h300 sim a lot since then for testing custom statusbar on remotes, I haven't noticed that |
| 17:39:40 | amiconn | pondlife, kugel: There are other button problems in some sims. E.g. the 1st/2nd Gen iPod sim always posts 2 wheel events per cursor up/down |
| 17:40:02 | amiconn | Very nasty for lists with even number of entries, as every other entry is unreachable |
| 17:40:04 | kugel | amiconn: that's since kkurbjun change |
| 17:43:18 | pondlife | Hmm, it happens without a call to button_event(). |
| 17:53:18 | gevaerts | pamaury: pong |
| 17:55:31 | pamaury | gevaerts: hello, I have a question; during the development of the MTP code (which will hopefully will soon be finished I hope) I dreamed about a simulator which could do virtual usb with the linux kernel. Of course it doesn't but I wondered if such a feature is worth implementing it or not ? It would make it possible to register the simulator as a virtual usb device (by using a kernel module, such a module already exists) |
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| 17:57:10 | gevaerts | pamaury: it would certainly be fun, but is it worth the effort? If you think it is, maybe it's worth looking at http://usbip.sourceforge.net/ as well |
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| 17:58:14 | pamaury | well usbip is not the project I had in mind because it do usb->ip in the kernel but it's similar in the idea. I'm not sure but if I have time I will check whether it's feasable. |
| 17:58:43 | gevaerts | the nice thing about usbip is that it won't require platform specific code |
| 17:59:33 | * | TheSeven wonders what to do next |
| 17:59:51 | gevaerts | make the FTL faster? |
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| 18:00:01 | pamaury | gevaerts: well it's true that's we could do usb->ip->rockbox but there is virtual hci hub project in Sourceforge which would allow to do usb->rb directly but it's linux specific you're right. |
| 18:00:10 | pamaury | I'll have a more precise look at usbip |
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| 18:04:47 | TheSeven | linuxstb: what's your opinion on the pcm problem? |
| 18:06:59 | TheSeven | gevaerts: making the FTL faster means another 6KB of additional BSS and another 6KB of additional stack usage |
| 18:07:36 | TheSeven | I'd rather have a look if we can get rid of some of the FATs sector buffers on the stack |
| 18:11:46 | pixelma | I saw some reports (in the forums I believe) of Nano 2nd gen owners said they can hear that the channels switch after each pause and play, sounded familiar somehow. Wasn't there a similar problem on the 1st gen Nanos (or other Ipods) too once? |
| 18:12:25 | pondlife | kugel: It was down to having car adapter mode enabled - the newer button driver must allow events to be processed properly. |
| 18:12:46 | pondlife | Ths sim simulates a charger disconnection.. |
| 18:15:29 | kugel | haha |
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| 18:16:00 | kugel | it fixed a number of thinks by using more on-target code |
| 18:16:28 | pondlife | No idea why I had car adapter mode enabled either! |
| 18:16:35 | pondlife | Anyway, thanks |
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| 18:22:11 | TheSeven | pixelma: if that happened on the 1g, too, this would be very interesting, as it's using the same codec |
| 18:22:26 | kugel | Casainho: ping |
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| 18:24:25 | Casainho | kugel: pong |
| 18:25:04 | kugel | Casainho: the mini2440 wiki page says button driver is at 100%. does it mean the touchscreen works? |
| 18:26:44 | Casainho | kugel: no, that means the buttons works. The touch screen not yet. I heard that domonoky is working on touchscreen and Bob_C on audio |
| 18:27:11 | kugel | can I work on something too? :( |
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| 18:27:21 | * | kugel thinks it shouldn't say 100% then |
| 18:28:16 | TheSeven | ...or just add a touchscreen column |
| 18:28:22 | TheSeven | or rather row |
| 18:29:32 | TheSeven | kugel: did you use the µsec timer in the end? |
| 18:30:11 | Casainho | kugel: domonoky wrote that on Rockbox wiki page, go and change it if you think so. Ask to Bob_C what is being doing −− I am just being blogging, nothing more: http://lyre.sourceforge.net/?q=blog |
| 18:31:09 | Casainho | kugel: I remember you told me that you would not want the board for Rockbox..... |
| 18:31:30 | kugel | TheSeven: just TACNT, I also scaled the necessary values accordingly (I think the 1000000 in the v calculation needs scaled too) |
| 18:31:55 | kugel | or TBCNT, I don't remember. the one that's used for tick tasks |
| 18:31:58 | Casainho | kugel: I mean, I didn't know you were interested on it. I would like to know if you plan to use it or not... because some people are asking for HDD on it |
| 18:32:03 | bertrik | I can think of something that could cause flipping, e.g. accidentally losing 2 bytes somewhere |
| 18:32:46 | kugel | Casainho: I said I'm not planning to work on making it the lyre project (so that it can be selled) |
| 18:33:20 | bertrik | For the samsung targets I think we should do something like #define values for PCLK and HCLK, so timers can be scaled independent of the actual frequency of the target |
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| 18:35:12 | kugel | TheSeven: the problem is that the ui isn't responsive enough to test it properly |
| 18:36:55 | markun | bertrik: are you talking about stereo flipping? We used to have that problem a lot with the gigabeat f |
| 18:36:56 | JdGordon1 | kugel: probably a silly question... does %w[e/d] confuse the .sbs loader? |
| 18:37:07 | bertrik | The kernel timer is now probably slightly off for other samsung targets |
| 18:37:43 | bertrik | markun, yes, sorry, I was indeed talking about stereo flipping |
| 18:37:47 | kugel | JdGordon1: it shouldn't |
| 18:38:26 | Casainho | JdGordon1: hello :-) −− I would like to ask you if you already tested the Rockbox firmware on Mini2440? |
| 18:38:46 | JdGordon1 | no |
| 18:38:48 | TheSeven | bertrik: you're talking about that 50MHz to 48MHz change? |
| 18:38:51 | JdGordon1 | openocd is fucked on my desktop |
| 18:39:10 | TheSeven | I think this was 48MHz originally and we changed it to 50MHz for the nano, until we were proven wrong. |
| 18:39:56 | bertrik | TheSeven, yes I was talking about that |
| 18:40:09 | JdGordon1 | kugel: and viewports are required? so completly ignore the default vp and just start with a new %V| line? |
| 18:40:11 | TheSeven | and there are define values for PCLK and FCLK_CPU (even though they aren't called like this) |
| 18:40:46 | TheSeven | it won't affect the codec anyways as that's driven by a different pll, so is there anything else that's timing-critical and not done using the tick or user timer? |
| 18:40:53 | bertrik | TheSeven, by the way, we don't really have to guess about it I think, since we know how the PLL is configured. |
| 18:41:00 | kugel | JdGordon1: you can do that yes. the only thing that works in the default viewport is loading images and showing other viewports (%Vda) |
| 18:41:24 | TheSeven | bertrik: I don't know the exact xtal freq of the nano |
| 18:41:50 | bertrik | We have scans of the PCB, I hope that shows the crystal |
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| 18:43:54 | bertrik | 12, 24 or 48 MHz would make some sense as those are frequencies often used by USB controllers |
| 18:44:35 | Casainho | JdGordon1: I have 2 computers and OpenOCD works great. Did you build it? |
| 18:44:44 | TheSeven | there is a 24MHz crystal, yes, but the OSC freq is somewhere around 1.8MHz, and it's switchable to 32kHz by some means we don't know |
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| 18:45:59 | markun | bertrik: I can't find the gigabeat commit which fixed the stereo problem.. |
| 18:46:20 | TheSeven | bertrik: calculating from PCM measurements, it seems to be 1843200Hz |
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| 18:46:48 | bertrik | TheSeven, that is a common frequency for "communication" crystals |
| 18:47:16 | bertrik | exactly 16 times 115200 |
| 18:47:23 | TheSeven | calculating from timer measurements I end up at 1846153 Hz |
| 18:48:19 | JdGordon1 | did someone completly break the CustomWPS tables? |
| 18:48:28 | TheSeven | if it's a 1.8432MHz one, then FCLK_CPU will in fact be 191692800Hz |
| 18:49:34 | * | bertrik can't find nano2g pcb scans on the wiki |
| 18:50:02 | TheSeven | there are some linked on the l4n wiki |
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| 18:51:48 | bertrik | the rockbox wiki should have that link too |
| 18:53:41 | JdGordon1 | bah.. how did the word "Custom" get into the lang strings? |
| 18:53:45 | JdGordon1 | they are redundant and silly |
| 18:54:05 | JdGordon1 | it should either be just "statusbar" or "statusbar skin" or something |
| 18:54:53 | TheSeven | bertrik: and remember we also have a different pcm problem: interrupt latency |
| 18:55:18 | bertrik | TheSeven, I thought you found a fix for pcm that reduced it to 2 us? :) |
| 18:55:31 | TheSeven | i thought i'd flush dcache before passing the pointer to the DMA just in case something would still be stuck in the cache, but that was enough to increase latencies to a degree that sounds like dirty vinyl |
| 18:56:11 | bertrik | The DMA controller can interrupt on half done transfers, but I don't know if we have some use for it yet |
| 18:56:17 | TheSeven | that "fix" involves some questionable work in pcmbuf.c, to prevent it from overwriting "used" (but not entirely played yet) buffers too early |
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| 18:56:48 | TheSeven | i tried auto-refreshing transfers but they didn't work either for some reason (the dma controller just stopped it as usual) |
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| 18:57:42 | TheSeven | and while the 2µs FIQ interrupt seems to fix most of it (and introduce some other bugs i still need to track down) i consider it a hack |
| 18:57:47 | TheSeven | there must me a way to get rid of that realtime requirement |
| 18:57:49 | bertrik | I think the idea of the half-done interrupt is to tell the CPU which half of the DMA buffer can be updated with new data, but rockbox pcm doesn't work that way |
| 18:58:10 | JdGordon1 | can #| and #> not be used inside conditionals? |
| 18:58:32 | JdGordon1 | so a literal | and > gets displayed |
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| 19:00:53 | JdGordon1 | time to wake up and start reading |
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| 19:03:45 | JdGordon1 | is there going to be major objections to using http://pastebin.com/mde8f288 as the inbuilt statusbar? |
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| 19:05:34 | JdGordon1 | excpet have it use the users 12/24hr setting for the clock |
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| 19:09:09 | TheSeven | bertrik: what about making the pcm buffer work that way? is that feasible? |
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| 19:17:53 | bertrik | TheSeven, I don't know, I'm not really a pcm expert, I'd have to ask the veteran developers |
| 19:21:17 | bertrik | we could do a single DMA buffer used as a kind of circular buffer that we copy data into that is handed to use from the generic pcm layer, but the copying seems a bit wasteful |
| 19:27:00 | domonoky | does anybody have a idea where to best put a header with generic mmc/sd definitions (copied from linux) ? at moment i would just put it as mmc-defs.h into the target tree. But maybe there is a better place ? |
| 19:27:23 | JdGordon| | firmware/include ? |
| 19:27:38 | JdGordon| | that seems to be where other sort of standard headers go? |
| 19:28:10 | domonoky | firmware/include looks more like generic non-hardware depended headers.. |
| 19:28:41 | domonoky | this is a header with definitions (currently) only needed by one target |
| 19:29:01 | JdGordon| | can it be merged with the current mmc.h? |
| 19:30:01 | JdGordon| | shotofads: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=22983.0 |
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| 19:30:46 | domonoky | hm.. dont know if this is good. mmc.h seems to contain only the interface to access a mmc, the new defs are about mmc details only needed in the implementation (like mmc commands and answers) |
| 19:31:26 | * | domonoky wonders where other targets using mmc/sd places such info. |
| 19:31:42 | TheSeven | btw, the usec timer seems to rather be a 5µsec timer |
| 19:32:16 | TheSeven | bertrik: can you have a quick check if that's also present on the S5L8700? Just read 0x3C700084 and see if it moves... |
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| 19:32:51 | bertrik | what's at that address? |
| 19:34:27 | domonoky | hm, looks like other targets just embedd those definitions directly into the sd/mmc driver .c file... |
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| 19:35:31 | TheSeven | bertrik: this seems to be a reg that increments at every 1000 cpu cycles |
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| 19:36:16 | TheSeven | btw, the apple timeout code seems to fail for wrapping cases |
| 19:37:03 | Bob_C | Just to clarify, the definitions in this proposed mmc-defs.h file are taken from the SD/MMC spec, so should not be target specific, and only relate to SD/MMC protocol |
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| 19:39:28 | domonoky | maybe we should put it as mmc-defs.h into firmware/export, so other targets can use it as well in the future. |
| 19:40:35 | Bob_C | If that makes sense within the rockbox architecture, then it sounds like the simplest solution |
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| 19:40:54 | domonoky | Bob_C: about the sdi-defs.h file. is this generic to s3c2410 ? |
| 19:41:08 | amiconn | TheSeven: The solution for switched channels on the earlier ipods was simply to send packed samples (L and R in one 32 bit word) instead of sending L and R individually |
| 19:41:11 | domonoky | or even generic to s3c2440 ? |
| 19:41:20 | amiconn | This way losing a word doesn't cause switched channels |
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| 19:41:51 | amiconn | ...and it also means fewer transfers, which translates to half the FIQ rate |
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| 19:42:12 | Bob_C | sdi-defs.g, or regs-sdi.h? |
| 19:42:18 | gevaerts | domonoky, Bob_C: is there overlap with firmware/export/sd.h? |
| 19:42:31 | * | TheSeven wonders why we're losing a word on pausing at all |
| 19:42:34 | Casainho | me thinks |
| 19:43:05 | domonoky | Bob_C: i meant regs-sdi.h |
| 19:43:07 | Casainho | me thinks that others targets already use SD Card, like Sansas... where is that definitions for that target? |
| 19:43:50 | Bob_C | gevaerts: yes there is some |
| 19:44:00 | domonoky | Bob_C: similar questions about some of the DMA definitions. if they are generic, they should go into the soc header. |
| 19:44:20 | gevaerts | also, IIRC the various sd drivers share a .c file somewhere |
| 19:45:02 | Bob_C | regs-sdi is specific to 2410/2440, the 2440 SD registers are virtually the same as 2410 with a couple of exceptions |
| 19:45:38 | Bob_C | the soc header being s3c2440.h ? |
| 19:45:49 | domonoky | Bob_C: so i think the contents of regs-sdi.h should go into s3c2440.h |
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| 19:46:11 | domonoky | Bob_C: yes |
| 19:47:17 | domonoky | sd.h looks like the right place to merge mmc.h into. But then its contents should get renamed to SD_xyz |
| 19:47:33 | Bob_C | I have no problem with that, is the GPL licence on these files compatible with our usage? |
| 19:48:27 | * | domonoky takes a look about the licences... |
| 19:50:46 | domonoky | mmc.h only says GPL (no version) so that seems fine. regs-sdi.h is "GPLv2 only" and rockbox is "GPLv2 and later" so thats a small clash. But dont know how important that is. |
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| 19:52:37 | domonoky | if we move sdi-regs.h into s3c2440.h, we also should rename the contents, so i think the licence is neglible for this, as we essentialy rewrite all those defines. |
| 19:52:49 | TheSeven | linuxstb: IIRC rolo did work before? did somebody break it? |
| 19:53:45 | bertrik | TheSeven, I'll have a look at that register on my samsung yp-s3 |
| 19:54:01 | TheSeven | thanks |
| 19:54:04 | bertrik | Is it really a separate register or could it be some alias of another timer register? |
| 19:54:22 | TheSeven | it doesn't behave like the other timers |
| 19:54:33 | TheSeven | it seems to be a 64bit timer represented as 2x32bit regs |
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| 19:56:47 | domonoky | Bob_C: so should i try to make this proposed modifications to your patch and commit it, or do you want todo the rework ? |
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| 19:57:24 | Bob_C | Sure, I can do it |
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| 19:58:14 | TheSeven | amiconn: how do you send those packed samples? |
| 19:58:22 | TheSeven | wouldn't that screw lrck? |
| 19:58:44 | domonoky | good. i will continue to review your patch, trying to find more things to rework :-) |
| 19:59:00 | Bob_C | To recap, I'll move SD/MMC defs into sd.h, and regs-sdi and dma defines into s3c2440.h |
| 19:59:48 | domonoky | Bob_C: yes |
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| 20:03:30 | amiconn | TheSeven: Both the codec and the PP I2S have a mode that supports packed samples |
| 20:03:39 | domonoky | Bob_C: from a first look, the rest of the patch looks fine. And your uart driver makes want todo logf-over-serial somewhere in the future :-) |
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| 20:04:43 | * | TheSeven will try to fool the i2s controller |
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| 20:05:16 | Bob_C | ok, i will work on those changes and do a new patch. |
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| 20:05:58 | domonoky | Bob_C: great, thanks for your work. |
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| 20:07:31 | TheSeven | does somebody have a datasheet of the wm8975? |
| 20:10:24 | bertrik_ | meh, something changed in s5l8700 DRAM sections, can't compile the yp-s3 bootloader |
| 20:12:05 | pixelma | JdGordon|: the CustomWPS tables break at the | character. It was the column seperator before but it seems TWiki was less picky when used without spaces right before and after |
| 20:13:14 | JdGordon| | ah ok |
| 20:16:30 | bertrik_ | TheSeven, 0x3c700084 doesn't move on my samsung yp-s3, it shows value 1 |
| 20:16:47 | TheSeven | so this is an 8701 feature... |
| 20:18:34 | bertrik_ | I do see something moving at 0x3c700094 ! :) Could be another counter |
| 20:19:07 | TheSeven | ...or a wrap of something |
| 20:19:09 | bertrik_ | (and it's not an alias of one of the other counters) |
| 20:19:26 | TheSeven | how fast is it moving? |
| 20:20:06 | bertrik_ | "not very fast" |
| 20:20:24 | bertrik_ | it looks like the inverse of counter B value |
| 20:21:01 | TheSeven | amiconn: do you know where they set up the codec appropriately? it seems to be the same codec, but i can't find the code doing that |
| 20:22:53 | bertrik_ | TheSeven, oh no it's not |
| 20:24:35 | bertrik_ | I'm getting curious how many more timers there are |
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| 20:35:03 | bertrik_ | TheSeven, treating it like a "TIMER E" influences the TIMER A setting |
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| 20:36:20 | TheSeven | sounds like some kind of wrap |
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| 20:37:38 | Casainho | JdGordon|: will you use just SD Card on Mini2440? or you plan to also add an HDD? |
| 20:41:09 | bertrik_ | TheSeven, yes indeed, I was seeing different values between TIMER A and E but that is probably due to a delay in reading out the TxCNT register |
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| 20:42:00 | JdGordon| | Casainho: SD to start with... my pie-in-the-sky ulitmate goal is using the network for storage :) |
| 20:45:37 | domonoky | JdGordon|: if you volunteer to write a network fs driver (smb, nfs or alike), i volunteer to port lwip as a networkstack :-) |
| 20:46:01 | JdGordon| | the uipstack is the easy bit isnt it? |
| 20:46:07 | JdGordon| | relativly easy anyway |
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| 20:47:35 | domonoky | lwip should be pretty easy to port (i already ported it to vxworks for work), so only the network driver is real work. and of course the applications to use the net :-) |
| 20:48:22 | JdGordon| | nfs is presumably easier than samba? |
| 20:48:34 | ender` | definitely faster |
| 20:48:44 | ender` | as for easier, it depends |
| 20:49:31 | Casainho | hey guys, there are network radio stations, no? −− since some people likes to listen radio, a Rockbox device to listen radio stations looks a nice idea to me :-) |
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| 20:50:19 | Casainho | and this Mini2440 board would be great for a home web radio :-) |
| 20:50:24 | JdGordon| | rockbox is NOT linux! |
| 20:50:25 | JdGordon| | :p |
| 20:50:46 | domonoky | Casainho: that is a good idea, shouldnt be too hard when network runs.. :-) |
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| 20:52:11 | CIA-85 | New commit by theseven (r23308): iPod Nano 2G: "Fix" the latest PCM issues, channel swap and vinyl popping. The latter is a revert of the cache coherency patch for now, we need to ... |
| 20:52:40 | Casainho | domonoky: I mean a device like this one: http://www.watterott.net/projects/webradio-arm |
| 20:52:41 | Bob_C | I'd like to replace my MP101 which never worked properly. A mini2440 would fit neatly inside the MP101 box. |
| 20:53:44 | CIA-85 | New commit by theseven (r23309): Add iPod Nano 2G µsec timer, and use it in the clickwheel driver. |
| 20:54:05 | domonoky | the integration of the streamed, encoded data into our playback system will get tricky :-) |
| 20:54:22 | Casainho | have a home radio that plays normal web stations or our particular collection of music stored on a multimedia server :-) |
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| 20:57:17 | Bob_C | I can see how a network drive would work, not so sure about streaming. |
| 20:58:47 | gevaerts | Bob_C: streaming is easy. Rockbox already knows how to skip if there isn't enough data buffered, and that's the hard part :) |
| 20:59:24 | TheSeven | gevaerts: then do it :-) |
| 20:59:44 | Bob_C | See what I did there ;) |
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| 21:00:57 | * | TheSeven is still looking for a better solution to this irq latency issue |
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| 21:01:12 | gevaerts | it's all planned! someone does this network driver, then domonoky does the lwip stack, and I also have a promise from someone else to port curl as soon as lwip is there :) |
| 21:01:49 | Bob_C | I do network drivers for work, so that should be easy ... |
| 21:03:21 | TheSeven | are there objections agains an ASM FIQ handler for the PCM stuff? |
| 21:05:21 | * | domonoky thinks other targets also use (or used) FIQ handlers for PCM.. and if it needs ASM for speed, why not ? |
| 21:06:36 | TheSeven | domonoky: well, ASM allows me to set up the DMA controller within 3 instructions after the FIQ handler gets run |
| 21:06:49 | TheSeven | the issue is just that the pcmbuf doesn't seem to like that |
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| 21:07:33 | TheSeven | it's overwriting buffers it's thinking that have already been played (but in fact only be asked for in order to pass them to the DMA when the next FIQ comes in) too early |
| 21:07:40 | TheSeven | so this needs a little hack |
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| 21:17:39 | * | TheSeven glares at the red |
| 21:18:58 | TheSeven | ah, it's a sim, that explains quite a few things |
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| 21:24:06 | jakethemighty | Hello #rockbox. |
| 21:27:30 | jakethemighty | I'm having an issue. Some files (mp3s) aren't showing up in the database. They run fine on my computer, and on other mp3 players, and they play fine if I play them from the files menu, but they won't show up in the database. I've tried rebuilding / initializing, with no change. |
| 21:28:10 | CIA-85 | New commit by theseven (r23310): Fix red |
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| 21:28:18 | evilnick | jakethemighty: Have they got album art in the tags? Or very large tags (such as Comments)? |
| 21:28:30 | * | TheSeven wonders what to do about the yellow |
| 21:28:55 | jakethemighty | TheSeven: I don't think so, but I will check. |
| 21:29:06 | TheSeven | huh? |
| 21:29:10 | jakethemighty | Err, I mean evilnick |
| 21:29:29 | jakethemighty | Read the wron username :P |
| 21:29:40 | evilnick | jakethemighty: Which folder are they in, on your player? |
| 21:30:22 | jakethemighty | evilnick: main dir /artistname/album/ |
| 21:30:41 | * | domonoky has a nearly working touchscreen driver for mini2440 :-) (it just need cleanup, calibration and some filtering) |
| 21:31:27 | evilnick | jakethemighty: And your other albums show up the database fine? So that rules out having a "database.ignore" file there. |
| 21:32:49 | shotofadds | domonoky: be aware that the touchscreen calibration setting isn't implemented quite right and the settings do not get persisted properly |
| 21:32:59 | shotofadds | it caught me out a few times :/ |
| 21:33:12 | jakethemighty | evilnick Oh yeah, everything else is fine. I also checked the tags, and they seem normal to me |
| 21:34:58 | evilnick | jakethemighty: Hmmm, if you can narrow it down to one album in particular then it might be helpful to upload a sample of one track somewhere so that the clever people here can check it. |
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| 21:35:50 | domonoky | shotofadds: thanks for reminding me, for now i will try to get a basic calibration done in the driver itself, because the touch seems to be mounted sideways (100,100 is left-bottom) |
| 21:35:59 | evilnick | jakethemighty: Actually, have you tried checking for these albums in <Untagged>? It might be that the wps you're using falls back to displaying the folder names so well that it seems to be reading the tags |
| 21:36:38 | CIA-85 | New commit by theseven (r23311): Fix yellow |
| 21:37:15 | shotofadds | domonoky: oh, that's weird - the driver will need to do that correction. I think the calibration screen is using global_settings wrongly, I'll see if I can fix it later. |
| 21:39:14 | jakethemighty | evilnick: not in untagged |
| 21:39:27 | shotofadds | linuxstb: following on from your conversation with tomers earlier, you're quite right that a mktccboot binary and bootloader are indeed missing for the D2. I thought I already had those linked from the wiki :/ |
| 21:40:06 | shotofadds | but in any case you can't seem to brick a D2 in any way, shape or form, so "known good" version aren't so critical as other targets |
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| 21:41:38 | * | shotofadds has a win32 mktccboot ready but no Swede to put it on the download server... |
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| 21:43:22 | kugel | TheSeven: I tried rolo on the nano2g I had today. it worked |
| 21:43:26 | jakethemighty | evilnick: does rockbox have an issue with any filename conventions? |
| 21:43:50 | TheSeven | kugel: it just locks up for me. reproducibly, and since lots of revisions. |
| 21:44:10 | * | TheSeven checks for related local modifications |
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| 21:45:08 | * | TheSeven can't find anything related |
| 21:46:20 | evilnick | jakethemighty: Not at all, your files can be called anything (provided it's valid under FAT32) |
| 21:46:49 | evilnick | But the database will only store tags, and doesn't have the "fallback" to folder/filenames that most wpses have. |
| 21:47:37 | jakethemighty | evilnick: Yeah, that can't be the problem anyway. Other albums in the same dir have the same conventions |
| 21:48:33 | evilnick | jakethemighty: What format are the files in? And what format are the tags? |
| 21:48:53 | evilnick | s/format/codec/ |
| 21:49:22 | jakethemighty | Well, the files are just mp3, and I know nothing about tags |
| 21:49:24 | * | domonoky s Touchscreen driver now works nice, after i calibrated from the UI, luckily i also have normal buttons to navigate there :-) But i think we need some way to start in the calibrate screen, if the touch isnt calibrated. |
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| 21:50:49 | evilnick | jakethemighty: Some desktop apps added ape tags (rather than id3 tags) to mp3 files which Rockbox won't read, so uploading one file would help |
| 21:52:00 | kugel | amiconn: have you seen my findings about the asm code the F/X has it his lcd driver? |
| 21:52:43 | * | kugel once again pokes bertrik about the dbop patch |
| 21:52:51 | kugel | would you mind committing it as is? |
| 21:53:15 | jakethemighty | evilnick: I just downloaded a id3 tag editor, and it appears these files have no tags... Queer |
| 21:54:20 | evilnick | jakethemighty: So we've solved that problem then :) |
| 21:56:04 | TheSeven | I just did some measurements... |
| 21:57:34 | kugel | TheSeven: I used plain SVN from the current build page when I tried rolo (I tried that since I saw your notice from a few days) |
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| 22:00:30 | TheSeven | iPod Nano 2G output level (1kHz sine, full PCM amplitude) at 0dB is 732mV RMS (1035mV amplitude, that's nice calibration!). 1dB still has no visible clipping and is at 821mV RMS (1161mV amplitude). Maximum (at +6dB with massive clipping) is 1072mV RMS (~1170mV amplitude), -10dB = 231mV RMS (327mV amplitude), -20dB = 71mV RMS (100mV amplitude) |
| 22:01:11 | TheSeven | who was that guy who said that portable DAPs don't manage to go above 150mV peak? |
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| 22:02:24 | kugel | not bad |
| 22:02:35 | jakethemighty | Thanks evilnick. Pretty sure that'll work. Waiting for the db to initialize now |
| 22:02:43 | TheSeven | the funny thing is that the scale seems to be off by factor 2 |
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| 22:02:56 | TheSeven | the -20dB setting is in fact -10dB |
| 22:03:08 | kugel | indeed |
| 22:03:41 | * | kugel suspects the scale isn't very accurate on targets too |
| 22:04:15 | amiconn | TheSeven: It's not off by a factor of 2... |
| 22:04:46 | amiconn | For voltages, dB values are 20*log(V2/V1) |
| 22:04:49 | TheSeven | ah right, forgot that dB are referring to the power, not the voltage |
| 22:05:02 | amiconn | yup |
| 22:05:33 | * | kugel was tricked by TheSeven ! |
| 22:05:45 | TheSeven | then I call that a nicely calibrated scale, and that +1dB still does not have clipping is nice. |
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| 22:07:47 | bertrik | kugel, I think I can simplify it a bit more |
| 22:08:17 | TheSeven | AlexP, saratoga, topik: ping regarding this |
| 22:08:19 | kugel | do it please, lcd corruption is getting annoying with custom statusbar :) |
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| 22:08:35 | AlexP | TheSeven: eh? |
| 22:08:51 | kugel | I really wouldn't mind doing optimizing after it's in SVN though |
| 22:09:20 | TheSeven | AlexP: the nano2g seems to be a target that has an output that's nicely calibrated to an 1V scale |
| 22:09:37 | TheSeven | the dB you see in the menu are true dBV |
| 22:09:51 | AlexP | TheSeven: Ah right. I don't remember saying anything other than 0 dB should be line-out level :) |
| 22:10:14 | TheSeven | yes, and this is the only player i know where this is really true |
| 22:10:25 | AlexP | coolio :) |
| 22:15:33 | TheSeven | kugel: did you try rolo with an usb-enabled build? |
| 22:15:35 | kugel | no |
| 22:15:45 | TheSeven | that may be the difference then |
| 22:19:20 | kugel | bertrik: any eta on when you might have a look? what ideas do you have for simplifying? |
| 22:21:45 | CIA-85 | New commit by theseven (r23312): storage_flush() should be done before disabling interrupts in ROLO. |
| 22:23:03 | TheSeven | ...but it still doesn't work |
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| 22:25:42 | JdGordon| | domonoky: yes... got any ideas? maybe we force it to run on startup if some global_status setting isnt set? |
| 22:26:20 | JdGordon| | shotofadds: hey, do you reads logs? there is a forum thread which is exactly what I said... customisable buttons request using hold on every target |
| 22:26:48 | domonoky | JdGordon|: yes, something like this.. but i dont know this part of the code.. so no real ideas :-) |
| 22:26:48 | TheSeven | ...it did work, just took longer than expected |
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| 22:27:02 | shotofadds | JdGordon|: yes i saw that and replied. I still don't see the problem though |
| 22:28:20 | bertrik | kugel, I think I can have a patch by friday evening |
| 22:29:34 | JdGordon| | kugel, others... any chance we can get rid of the word "custom" in the strings? |
| 22:29:52 | CIA-85 | New commit by theseven (r23313): Add a "Flushing storage buffers" message to ROLO if it needs to do that. |
| 22:29:53 | Casainho | domonoky: will you update your code to Rockbox SVN? −− I would love to test it ;-) |
| 22:30:31 | kugel | JdGordon|: yea, I saw you wanta the one statusbar option to be named statusbar |
| 22:30:49 | domonoky | Casainho: we still dont have all code from hg in SVN, so i have to wait :-) |
| 22:30:53 | kugel | want to* |
| 22:31:31 | shotofadds | kugel: it makes sense to remove the "custom". WPS isn't called "custom WPS" is it? ;) |
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| 22:32:34 | Casainho | domonoky: ok, but can you post a patch on FS? |
| 22:32:37 | kugel | ah you mean the custom in "Custom Statusbar" that leads to the filebrowser? |
| 22:32:44 | domonoky | Casainho: but i could send you a patch against hg if you want. |
| 22:32:54 | JdGordon| | kugel: yes |
| 22:33:01 | Casainho | domonoky: ok, send by e-mail then. |
| 22:33:06 | kugel | well, there's an existing statusbar setting that is still important and used, I don't want confusion |
| 22:33:22 | JdGordon| | also, the themes should get a submenu so all the remote options are together instead of being mixed in with the main lcd |
| 22:34:02 | JdGordon| | and maybe all of them go into a "skins" submenu under themes once a few more items get added |
| 22:34:08 | kugel | it could be statusbar skin yes, I don't really care |
| 22:34:11 | * | JdGordon| is giong for a sub-menu depth of 11! |
| 22:34:33 | kugel | wfms first please :) |
| 22:35:25 | JdGordon| | anyone want to volanteer to clean up the hardware and actual radio control part of recorder/radio.c? |
| 22:35:55 | kugel | no thanks :p |
| 22:36:30 | JdGordon| | MVC ftw! |
| 22:36:38 | JdGordon| | or.. thats where it needs to go anyway |
| 22:36:50 | TheSeven | ETOOMANYTLAS |
| 22:37:29 | domonoky | Casainho: http://pastebin.com/m4263d918 |
| 22:37:42 | JdGordon| | model-view-controller :) |
| 22:37:58 | Casainho | thanks ;-) |
| 22:38:10 | domonoky | Casainho: it still needs improvements, but works (if calibrated) |
| 22:39:01 | Casainho | domonoky: how to calibrate? |
| 22:39:48 | Casainho | domonoky: and by the way, I just need to build firmware, or the bootloader also? |
| 22:40:02 | domonoky | Casainho: use the normal buttons to navigate to: settings->global settings->display-touch->calibrate.. Main binary is enough |
| 22:40:17 | kugel | domonoky: got the touchscreen to work? |
| 22:41:06 | domonoky | kugel: yes, preliminary driver works fine. still needs filtering against spurious values and accidental double clicks and some code clean-up. but it works :-) |
| 22:41:40 | kugel | cool :> |
| 22:42:56 | domonoky | was pretty easy, after i found out that the normal adc reading interfered with the touch readings and i just disabled them :-) |
| 22:46:01 | Casainho | domonoky: how to I aplly your patch file? −− I am following the wiki instructions and I can't... |
| 22:46:46 | domonoky | oh, may hg checkout is probably not uptodate.. |
| 22:47:15 | Casainho | domonoky: do you want hg write access? |
| 22:47:48 | domonoky | Casainho: not really needed. i want it in svn :-) |
| 22:48:10 | Casainho | domonoky: ok. So, how can I test your code now? |
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| 22:49:24 | domonoky | ah, my hg checkout is 7 days old. dont know if it still works if i update :-) maybe you could checkout the older version, and then apply my patch ? (or just wait a few days till we have everthing in svn) |
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| 22:49:56 | Casainho | ok, but, how do you know your hg revision version? |
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| 22:52:23 | Casainho | domonoky: can you tell me your revision number on hg? |
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| 22:53:39 | domonoky | with hg tip you can get your current changeset number. mine is: 17:7374ef589985 |
| 22:54:03 | domonoky | or is that the server ? |
| 22:54:39 | Casainho | domonoky: oh, I am not really expert on hg :-) −− but maybe discover here: http://lyre.hg.sourceforge.net/hgweb/lyre/lyre/summary |
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| 22:56:44 | TheSeven | http://pastie.org/664176 |
| 22:57:16 | TheSeven | let's try which of them we can shut off |
| 22:57:31 | TheSeven | ...and undervolt of course |
| 22:58:53 | TheSeven | killed, LDO2, still running |
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| 22:59:32 | domonoky | Casainho: from what i can read you can just clone the hg directory again with -r <changeset nummer above> as additional option to get the same revision as me. |
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| 23:00:30 | TheSeven | LDO6 refuses to power down |
| 23:02:58 | Casainho | domonoky: ok. Looks like is "changeset 177374ef589985" |
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| 23:06:32 | TheSeven | hm. the PMU is behaving weird, not performing the writes I send... |
| 23:10:14 | Casainho | domonoky: you know that Bob already found a good plastic case from Hammond? http://www.hammondmfg.com/scpg.htm |
| 23:11:08 | Casainho | domonoky: I would love to have a 3D printer to make my own box :-) |
| 23:11:46 | * | domonoky moves Casainho to #rockbox-community for off-topic talk :-) |
| 23:12:07 | Casainho | domonoky: ok. sorry |
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| 23:20:12 | * | TheSeven wonders why rolo still fails occasionally |
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| 23:29:51 | BdN3504 | hi guys. I am dealing with the vmware image of rockbox (again). i got a bit annoyed that i have to use vmwaretoolbox for simple copy and paste... |
| 23:30:19 | TheSeven | LDO2 seems to be clickwheel-related |
| 23:30:33 | BdN3504 | and that i can't use special characters when i change the keymap with xf86cfg |
| 23:30:58 | BdN3504 | so i figured, why not simply use putty and this wokrs perfect. |
| 23:31:05 | BdN3504 | can i add this to the wiki? |
| 23:31:24 | BdN3504 | works perfectly |
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| 23:34:37 | TheSeven | LDO1 off => deadlock |
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| 23:36:33 | TheSeven | LDO3 = LCD |
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| 23:39:04 | TheSeven | LDO4 = probably codec |
| 23:39:07 | TheSeven | LDO5 = NAND |
| 23:39:14 | TheSeven | LDO6 doesn't even power off |
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| 23:43:53 | TheSeven | let's try undervolting |
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| 23:46:17 | TheSeven | wow! 950mV instead of 1075mV at full clock! |
| 23:46:26 | TheSeven | let's see how stable that is |
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| 23:50:50 | Ubuntuxer | Hi, I can't edit any wikipage of Rockbox. I get always the error message "access denied". How do I get permission ? |
| 23:51:48 | LambdaCalculus37 | Ubuntuxer: By asking here. :) |
| 23:52:11 | Ubuntuxer | ah,;-) |
| 23:53:29 | mc2739 | Ubuntuxer: try now |
| 23:53:51 | Ubuntuxer | Please can you change the rights of my account ? (JohannesSchwarz) |
| 23:54:18 | mc2739 | Ubuntuxer: I just did |
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| 23:54:28 | Ubuntuxer | ok, thanks |
| 23:54:41 | mc2739 | you're welcome |
| 23:55:42 | JdGordon| | shotofadds: once again, I'm not entirely against the patch... but start a thread on the dev ml.... |
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