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#rockbox log for 2009-10-30

00:00:23saratoga_labis a bootloader posted in the test builds forums allowed to be a release? or does it have to be on the download server?
00:01:12peturgevaerts, funman: thanks, that was it
00:01:15linuxstbI would say no - test builds should just be short-term IMO. There's not much to test with a bootloader.
00:01:44saratoga_labthe only reason i cared is because most of us can't update the download server
00:02:04linuxstbYes, but Bagder/Zagor are normally around, and can.
00:02:17saratoga_labthat sounds fine then
00:02:58linuxstbOK, I'll update the wiki...
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00:06:14Unhelpfulkugel: ok, so it looks like we actually use 32bit size_t... hrm. any ideas? :/
00:06:45*Unhelpful thinks he knows where he got confused about that...
00:07:28CIA-85New commit by 03peter (r23414): Revert the recording key functionality changes back to before r21034: Both play and rec start recording. Fixes the Archos recording usability issue. ...
00:08:15kugelUnhelpful: seen the paste? something gets culprit there
00:09:45Unhelpfulso find_empty_thread_slot is hanging?
00:10:04kugelno
00:10:18Unhelpfuli'm afraid i'm not following :/
00:10:54kugel[...] _buttonlight_off(); return thread; } is the end of find_empty_thread_slot. buttonlight goes off!
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00:11:39Unhelpfulok, so find_empty_thread_slot returns, but the backlight never comes on?
00:11:46kugelyea
00:12:19Unhelpfulare we sure _backlight_set_brightness isn't broken? :/
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00:12:36kugelit goes on if I call it in find_empty_thread_slot
00:13:23Unhelpfulhm. so somehow, something is broken after find_empty_thread_slot?
00:13:47kugelit looks like
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00:15:30Unhelpfulwhich target did you test this on? fuze?
00:15:35kugele200−−-
00:15:45kugels/−−-/.../ :)
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00:17:06Unhelpfulah... same as mine. LOCK_THREAD is a wrapper around an asm function.
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00:21:27kugelUnhelpful: struct corelock has __attribute__((naked)) so it shouldn't be hit by the align change?
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00:23:25Unhelpful__attribute__((packed)) you mean? yes, that should still have the same packing regardless of abi changes...
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00:24:01kugelyes, sorry, I mean packed
00:25:00Unhelpfulno problem, i was just looking at the function myself - that's the one that's naked
00:26:10kugelhm, now _backlight_set_brightness() doesn't work anymore
00:26:38Unhelpfulyou mean, *before* the find_empty_thread_slot, it doesn't work? :/
00:26:41*kugel wonders if e200tool is reliable enough
00:26:57kugelUnhelpful: neither before nor within now. it worked ~60 min ago
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00:29:17webguest61i have a problem, it installed on my ipod fine and everything, but now it is saying error! cant load rockbox.ipod file not found.....how do i fix this?
00:29:54linuxstbwebguest61: Did you download rockbox-ipodnano2g.zip and extract the contents to your ipod?
00:30:01webguest61yea
00:30:04webguest61it was working
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00:30:12webguest61then it just stopped
00:30:36webguest61like i had the entire rockbox setup instead of the original one
00:32:00linuxstbSaying "it just stopped" doesn't help us to help you...
00:33:48amiconnkugel: Naked function and hanging in such lowlevel code is actually something I'd expect...
00:34:13amiconnAre there docs about building the eabi toolchain?
00:34:38webguest61i got it working nevermind, but also since i had to do the manual install how do i get the video player onto it? and will it be able to play like a WMV file?
00:35:03saratoga_labvideo is included, and no, mpeg1/2 only
00:35:15Unhelpfulamiconn: i have a patch for building a working eabi toolchain. it requires that you rename the multilib patch (and rename the directory referenced in it).
00:35:20saratoga_labsee the PluginMpegPlayer wiki page
00:35:36webguest61how do i convert my WMV do mpeg1?
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00:36:35kugelUnhelpful: I used the same patch with -p1 in the gcc dir
00:36:41kugelno rename or so
00:36:58AleMaxxbtw, you guys know anthrax? (that metal combo)
00:37:00Unhelpfulkugel: that's another way, yes... i went with creating a new patch so that the same patching logic can be used
00:37:07saratoga_labhow much savings is there from eabi anyway?
00:37:28Unhelpfulsaratoga: on e200, on the order of about 60KB, it appears...
00:37:35saratoga_labwow
00:37:40saratoga_labwould be very nice on AMS
00:37:57AleMaxx-> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcLOR-fACvg (Anthrax - Cadillac Rock Box) ;-)
00:38:06kugelUnhelpful: it adds 5k here
00:38:14Unhelpfuldo the AMS targets use -mlong-calls? that's where the bulk of the savings is coming from...
00:38:17amiconnkugel, Unhelpful: Did you try eabi on a single core target (or force single core on PP)?
00:38:41kugelI'll try that, it gets further on my fuze
00:38:52Unhelpfulkugel: did you use bloat-o-meter, or objdiff? these reported positive deltas for me, where size reported a large negative one
00:38:55kugel(at least so far that panicf() actually works)
00:39:06kugelUnhelpful: rockbox-info.txt
00:39:12shotofaddslinuxstb: so what's needed to make a "released bootloader"? just "make VERSION=1.0"?
00:39:12saratoga_labAMS has a real MMU so probably we use that instead of long calls, but I don't know
00:39:43linuxstbshotofadds: Yes, that's about it. Plus tag it in svn (see UsingSVN) and give the binaries to Zagor/Bagder for the download server.
00:40:00linuxstbshotofadds: And I guess give it a quick test ;)
00:40:14Unhelpfulsaratoga: the long calls are a big part of the savings. eabi permits these to be coded as short calls, and if they're out of range at link time, it redirects them to a single stub function that contains the long call.
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00:41:03amiconnkugel: Did you check what corelock_(un)lock actually compile to?
00:41:37amiconnPerhaps eabi ignores __attribute__((naked)) or fails in some other way related to that?
00:41:41kugelno, I'd expect it to match the inline assembly?
00:41:41shotofaddslinuxstb: I probably won't be able to do that til Monday now. There's no rush to get it done though, the version that's up at the moment is fine.
00:41:53kugelwhat does naked do exaclty?
00:41:54*shotofadds calls it a night
00:41:59Unhelpfulamiconn: here's my patch, covering rockboxdev.sh, discarding some of the new sections in sandisk app.lds, and modifying arm7tdmicc in configure: http://pastie.org/676055
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00:42:26Unhelpfulkugel: naked means "don't add *any* generated code, managing return values and parameters will be my problem
00:42:47Unhelpfulit's for pure asm functions - any C inside a naked function is going to be broken ;)
00:43:26amiconnhttp://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-4.0.4/gcc/Function-Attributes.html#Function-Attributes
00:43:50kugelI see some backlight with the single core build
00:43:54webguest61how do i add the videos and see my previous music? i looked in the manual thing and didnt find anything on them
00:43:59funmanlibmtp is looking for usb_control_msg which isn't in libusb-1.0.3
00:45:04Unhelpfulamiconn: you'll also need to add a char abort[0]; somewhere. there are certain functions in libgcc related to unwinding that get pulled in otherwise, and then everything breaks
00:45:33kugelabort as a char array? I made a stub
00:45:44kugelit's supposed to be a function, isn't it?
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00:46:19Blue_DudeRefactoring of playback.c coming up in FS...
00:46:36Unhelpfulkugel: it doesn't matter, really, though... it's also not supposed to be called. ;)
00:46:59funmanah libmtp depends on legacy releases of libusb
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00:47:56Unhelpfulperhaps a better solution would be to patch libgcc so that its division functions don't even use all of that mess?
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00:49:42kugelUnhelpful: have you managed to find __udivid3() in their sources? I couldn't
00:49:59Blue_DudeFS10739: Playback.c refactor. Please take a look.
00:50:14kugelit lacks a patch
00:50:57Unhelpfulheheh, it's more complicated than that... a bunch of similar functions with different data types are handled by recompiling one source file, with different -D on the command line. a mess, really. :/
00:51:48amiconnThat's not an uncommon method
00:52:03kugelI somehow found out that __udivid3 pulls unwinding it, but I just couldn't find the implementation
00:52:25kugelI think that method makes sense especially when building multilib
00:52:29Unhelpfulamiconn: it makes finding the file that implement a function a bit painful, though. ;)
00:53:00Unhelpfulkugel: this isn't a multilib thing, it's more about code sharing between the div functions for various types
00:53:25amiconnlibdemac does a similar thing, just not using -D but several .c files including the main .c after defining things
00:53:32amiconn(for the various filters)
00:54:26Unhelpfulkugel: try removing one of the libgcc .o files from your gcc build dir, and then running make again... for the most part the files are named for a single function they implement.
00:58:14Unhelpfulkugel: i think i found it... gcc/libgcc2.c
00:58:38funmanis there a ld command flag needed to ask to generate a ppc lib on osx ?
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01:00:25Unhelpfulfunman: i'd think you need to give a flag to gcc first, so that it generates ppc asm?
01:00:46linuxstbBlue_Dude: I've just looked briefly, and I'm not sure I like the naming of common_thread.c/h. Should code that initiates the audio and codec threads stay in playback.c/h, and common_thread.[ch] could stay there as well?
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01:00:55funmansomehow it can build a i386 archive with ppc code .. the flag is '-arch ppc' and is removed by libtool
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01:01:33linuxstbfunman: You're attempting to build beastpatcher?
01:01:40funmanyes
01:01:52Blue_Dudelinuxstb: it's a temporary situation. I'm still refactoring and will eventually make common_thread.c/h disappear.
01:01:59linuxstbfunman: Have you got as far as installing libusb and libmtp?
01:02:13funmanyes
01:02:46Blue_Dudelinuxstb: also the remaining audio_thread needs a *lot* of work. I'm just trying to break it into manageable parts.
01:03:21amiconnUnhelpful: What kind of exception handling does it pull in?
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01:03:59amiconnAccording to the arm eabi docs, it should be sufficient if we provide __aeabi_idiv0() and __aeabi_ldiv0()
01:04:28Unhelpfulhrm... so perhaps we need only rename our div0?
01:04:42amiconnI think so
01:05:12amiconnThe signatures are int __aeabi_idiv0(int return_value); and long long __aeabi_ldiv0(long long return_value);
01:05:20funmanlinuxstb: however I do not know the OSX libs, and some of them are required to link beastpatcher to libusb/libmtp .a
01:05:22linuxstbBlue_Dude: Maybe it's worth committing things slowly? i.e. factor out code into new files more gradually than that patch that gets rid of playback.[ch] completely.
01:05:47linuxstbfunman: Have you looked at e200rpatcher? That compiles on OS X and links to libusb
01:06:10funmanlibmtp required hacking a bit the ./configure file
01:06:31Unhelpfulamiconn: i'll try just throwing in empty symbols for those, first, and see if that unbreaks everything.
01:06:45amiconnThey need to return
01:07:10amiconnJust return 0; should be sufficient, like our current __div0() does (iirc)
01:07:13Blue_Dudelinuxstb: I basically split playback into two big chunks, with some connective tissue still remaining. I'm still sawing away at it. I'm not sure that it's possible to chip away that slowly. It's already pretty gummed up.
01:07:37amiconnThese functions might be tailcalled
01:07:42linuxstbBlue_Dude: So your patch doesn't remove playback.[ch] completely?
01:07:48Blue_Dudelinuxstb: maybe rename audio_thread back to playback.
01:08:18Blue_Dudelinuxstb: it does, but it's been basically split. The code's still there.
01:08:32linuxstbBlue_Dude: Yes, I think so - maybe that's what is making your patch look like it does more than it does.
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01:09:33linuxstbBlue_Dude: You should also take care to preserve as much svn history as you can when the time comes to commit this. e.g. if you split a file into two, I think you can do an "svn cp" to create the second file, then delete parts from it.
01:09:41JdGordon|Blue_Dude: if you are going to split up playback anyway... can you move the new files into something like apps/playback/ ?
01:09:43Blue_Dudelinuxstb: I'm getting rid of some global variables and replacing them with short function calls, that sort of thing. Maybe that's a step in the wrong direction but it's easier to follow.
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01:10:42Blue_Dudelinuxstb: ok, I'll try the svn copy. I didn't think of that.
01:11:16Unhelpfulamiconn: with those stubbed out it still pulls in get_eit_entry() and abort()
01:11:37Blue_DudeJdGordon: So far I'm just splitting off one file pair. I'm not sure that playback needs its own subdirectory. Maybe it will, though.
01:12:06saratoga_labyou're brave to go that far into playback
01:12:10amiconnEhum......
01:12:11*JdGordon| likes lots of directories
01:12:28amiconnBagder (or Zagor): "Perl error: Illegal division by zero at clientstats.pl line 65. "
01:12:32linuxstbI guess other things, like pcmbuf, dsp, buffering could go into a playback subdirectory.
01:13:29linuxstbAlthough most code in apps/ deals with playback in some way...
01:13:43JdGordon|isnt there a far off goal of being able to build the playback engine without the rest of rockbox?
01:14:35linuxstbYes, that would be ideal. But I would definitely at least like apps/ to become less spaghetti-like in terms of inter-dependencies in the code.
01:14:41saratoga_labthat would be awesome
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01:15:03saratoga_labi badly want a way to script playback actions for testing
01:16:10amiconnUnhelpful: I wonder what exceptions it tries to handle...
01:17:29Unhelpfulamiconn: i'm not sure i'm successfully masking the libgcc functions in question. i've put a get_eit_entry in libfirmware but it's still griping about stuff that the one in libgcc wants. i had this much working before, let me see if i can get it sorted again :)
01:18:09amiconnI think that if you just stub arbitrary exception handling functions it won't fix anything
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01:18:54barrywardelllinuxstb, funman: I managed to compile beastpatcher on OSX
01:19:10*amiconn thinks that the .map and a disassembly should help
01:19:31funmanbarrywardell: cool! do you have a Makefile diff to build it out of the box ?
01:20:04barrywardellfunman: the only problem is that it has links dynamically against libusb and libmtp
01:20:12funmancan't you use the .a ?
01:20:20kugelUnhelpful: I just put stuff into main.c for now. the link order is important
01:20:31funman-framework iokit -framework coreservices should be enough to link against the static libs
01:20:46Unhelpfulkugel: i know the link order is important, but i'm puting it before -lgcc :/
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01:21:30barrywardellfunman: I couldn't get the .a working yet
01:22:02funmanat least we're making some progress
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01:22:20saratoga_labBlue_Dude: I like the codec thread changes
01:22:58Blue_Dudesaratoga_lab: thanks. But I haven't done much with it yet, just picked it out of the playback.c monstrosity.
01:22:59saratoga_labthe new codec thread file has entirely functions I never needed to read while looking at playback deadlocks on the clip, which is a good sign . . .
01:23:03barrywardellfunman: a very crude diff assuming libusb and libmtp are in /usr/local: http://pastebin.com/m73e107c3
01:24:07Blue_DudeMost of the codec stuff is functions for codec function pointer callbacks. It's not actually executed by the playback thread. Once the codec supplies the audio data, it's done.
01:24:33saratoga_labyeah i'd often wondered why that was all together
01:25:59Unhelpfulstubbing out __aeabi_unwind_cpp_pr0 is enough to get it to build... i can't really figure out what exactly is pulling that in, though. :/
01:26:23amiconnUnhelpful, kugel: According to a mail I just found the option is called −−disable-libunwind-exceptions, not −−disable-unwind-exceptions
01:26:59kugelneither does anything
01:27:08Unhelpfulamiconn: but also according to some exchanges kugel had on gcc maillist that won't disable generating unwind code
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01:27:59*amiconn should try to understand what that unwind stuff is supposed to do
01:28:34kugelhttp://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-help/2009-10/msg00323.html
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01:29:10kugelamiconn: I think it supposed for C++ exception handling, (try, catch and throw)
01:29:47kugelunwinding IIUC does what the name implies
01:31:19saratoga_labBlue_Dude: how well seperated is the new audio_thread.c code from the buffering thread?
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01:33:16Blue_Dudesaratoga_lab: I've scarcely touched it. audio_thread relies heavily on buffering.c though. Buffering.c doesn't seem to rely on audio_thread though.
01:33:48Blue_DudeIt's one of those things that needs work later. There are more splits and reworks to come.
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01:40:30amiconnkugel: I wonder whether this char __aeabi_unwind_cpp_pr0[0]; trick in conjunction with stubbing __aeabi_idiv0() and __aeabi_ldiv0() will crash on division by zero or not
01:40:43cowgardenhi, any way to recover a somehow broken flash storage? (not rockbox specific, hope that does not bother you)
01:40:43AleMaxxis there anybody with good ARM asm knowledge in here?
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01:47:26CIA-85New commit by 03mc2739 (r23415): Correct battery conditional and disk access icon
01:50:48linuxstbAleMaxx: Yes. But if it's not Rockbox-related, most of us are also in #rockbox-community...
01:51:40AleMaxxokay, I went there
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02:27:26LambdaCalculus37Not very good progress getting beastpatcher to build on OS X. :/
02:28:10LambdaCalculus37I found where libmtp.a and libusb.a reside in OS X (in /usr/local/lib), but tweaking the Makefile to point to that location and then trying to make gives me this: http://lambdacalculus379.pastebin.com/m56e9db56
02:28:36adg801hello. I have an ipod classic (6th gen) and I see that rockbox doesnt work on this. Are there any suitable alternatives?
02:28:50Unhelpfuladg801: not really, no.
02:29:10adg801thanks for being unhelpful :)
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03:22:57Blue_DudeA cleaner version of the playback.c rework is at FS #10739. Thanks for the svn copy suggestion, linuxstb. That really made a difference.
03:24:29JdGordonmc2739: arg.. that battery line was how I wanted it :)
03:24:49JdGordon10 steps of know battery level, and reuse the first for unknonw
03:24:56JdGordonnot that it really makes any difference
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03:31:43mc2739JdGordon: sorry, I'll change it back
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03:41:30Unhelpfulthe part that really perplexes me about this whole thing is that diassembly of rockbox.elf shows no references to __aeabi_unwind_cpp_pr0 :/
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04:13:31saratoga_labBlue_Dude: I think your patch is a little screwed up
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04:19:11Blue_DudeJust posted a bugfix. Missing defines, etc. I got a little aggressive. Give it a look.
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04:25:50saratoga_labBlue_Dude: so to apply this I would have to svn copy playback.c into codec_thread.c first right?
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04:58:41Unhelpfulamiconn: ah, interesting, apparently div/mod in libgcc are compiled with -fexception... disabling that, wonder if it will kill the reliance on __aeabi_unwind_<foo>
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05:18:20Unhelpfulhey, that gets rid of the need for lds changes, too, it appears :D
05:22:23Unhelpfulkugel, amiconn: new combined patch for gcc-4.4.1, includes rockbox multilib and building libgcc with -fno-exceptions instead of -fexceptions: http://pastie.org/676303
05:23:32Unhelpfulthe added ARM.* sections no longer appear, since none of the objects have exception information any more. no more need to modify linker scripts or hack stubs for any symbols. it still hangs on my e200, though.
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06:15:31JdGordonwhats the easiest way to get the intersection of 2 rectangles?
06:17:58JdGordondoes this look correct? http://pastebin.com/m1695a938
06:19:50UnhelpfulJdGordon: i guess you first have to figure out which is topmost/leftmost, and then compare edges... but it seems like the *sort* of thing that must have a shortcut, doesn't it?
06:20:30JdGordonits also entirely possible that the 2 dont overlap at all...
06:20:51JdGordonwhich makes my paste totally wrong
06:21:24JdGordonand no, I dont beilve we have shortcuts for this already
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07:06:24UnhelpfulJdGordon: i didn't mean that we already *do*, just that it seems like there ought to be a clever shortcut for this job...
07:07:05JdGordonI found http://silentmatt.com/computers/playground/intersection.php which made it pretty simple to implement :)
07:10:00Unhelpfulwell, that certainly seems the fastest way to test for intersection. then you just need to find the intersecting area...
07:14:03JdGordonhttp://pastebin.com/m67f84e8e although I think those MAX(0,...) could be removed
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07:23:27JdGordon*ptr1 = *ptr2 does memberwise copy doesnt it?
07:23:35JdGordonor at least a memcpy?
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07:32:55Unhelpfulgcc will probably generate a call to memcpy for that. if it's in a plugin or codec, you'd probably rather use the API memcpy directly, though.
07:33:37Unhelpfulotherwise gcc will generate a call to memcpy, which will be a (plugin|codec)lib function that wraps the API memcpy
07:33:42JdGordonits in the core... and that wasnt my problem so all good
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08:54:00Zagorah, finally. thanks.
08:54:22amiconnOh, and r23416 too
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11:45:18LambdaCalculus37Hey guys, can't stay long, but I want to report that barrywardell managed to get beastpatcher compiled and working on Mac OS X. :)
11:45:54LambdaCalculus37I tested it last night and found that it works. So if any other Mac-using devs or staff want to try it out, let me know and I'll forward it to you.
11:46:11LambdaCalculus37It's currently Intel-only.
11:46:34LambdaCalculus37Anyway, must run now.
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13:47:01funmanSoulsmith: you can talk about ipod nano 2g here, just don't expect full support for it
13:47:11Soulsmithah ok thanks
13:47:58SoulsmithI was just wanting to find out if there was some way to fix the audio chop that you get when playing movies with mpegplayer
13:48:25SoulsmithI did some searching but couldn't find anything aside from reports of the problem
13:48:55linuxstb"audio chop" ?
13:49:44SoulsmithI'm honestly not sure how best to describe it, the audio crackles and is "choppy"
13:52:04SoulsmithI encoded an avi with WinFF using it's "RB Ipod Nano Fullscreen" setting
13:52:07linuxstbHave you tried the Elephants Dream demo video?
13:52:55linuxstbhttp://download.rockbox.org/mpeg/elephantsdream-q6-176x128-310kbps.mpg
13:53:04SoulsmithI haven't yet
13:53:17SoulsmithI'll download that and test it quick
13:53:43linuxstbAnd does your video play OK on a PC?
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13:54:36SoulsmithYes it plays normally in VLC
13:55:09funmancould it mean that the audio decoder isn't fast enough ?
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14:16:32markunTheSeven: will it be difficult to format the Meizu's to the nano2g FTL?
14:17:11markunI wonder what the reason is that they made every version of whimory so different from the previous ones anyway.
14:19:15TheSevenmarkun: we don't have recovery code for the nano2g ftl yet, so the ftl will be "bricked" after an unclean shutdown
14:19:47TheSevenmarkun: what's the matter with their factory FTL? has anyone ever had a thorough look into this?
14:19:57gevaertsTheSeven: that means that there won't be any issues with corrupted filesystems at all!
14:20:26*TheSeven doesn't really consider corrupted FTLs nice...
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14:22:49SoulsmithI tried playing the demo video and got the same problem
14:23:25markunTheSeven: bertrik has looked into it, but decided to use the code from the Nano2g instead. We can talk about it when he gets back.
14:24:03TheSevenmarkun: did you manage to obtain a complete flash dump of one of these? and what about firmware disassemblys?
14:24:38markunI don't have a dump of the bootrom. No idea if anyone has done that.
14:25:14markunbut the firmware itself was unencrypted
14:25:19TheSevenIIUC doing that should be very easy though
14:25:30TheSeventhe bootrom can't be encrypted, or it couldn't boot
14:25:45TheSevenit's just a matter of having a way to dump things from it
14:25:46markunno, I mean the firmware is unencrypted
14:26:06markunhaving working USB would probably help when we want to dump it
14:26:14markunor where would you dump it to?
14:26:20TheSevendisassembling a firmware is a lot harder than disassembling just some loader stage that also has the FTL, like I did it on the nano
14:26:39TheSevenmarkun: do you have jtag on them?
14:26:45markunnot that I know of
14:26:54gevaertshasn't bertrik dumped the nand with some samsung tool?
14:27:04TheSeveniirc yes
14:27:12markungevaerts: could be, but we're not talking about the nand
14:27:13TheSevenbut that won't help too much dumping the bootrom
14:27:30gevaertsoh, ok
14:27:31TheSevendumping the bootrom to nand is probably not easier than directly to usb
14:28:20funmanTheSeven: how big is the binary file you disassembled to RE the ftl?
14:28:43markun50KB?
14:29:14TheSeven128K
14:29:37gevaertsTheSeven: I don't know the they actually have a separate loader that does FTL
14:30:08TheSeventhe firmware isn't on the ums device for the meizus, right?
14:30:27TheSevenis it even on the nand or entirely in nor?
14:31:02markunTheSeven: depends, on some of the meizus it's in a separate nor, others have in in nand
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14:31:12markunand not on the ums device no
14:31:23TheSevenso it won't be inside the ftl...
14:31:30TheSevenhow big is the firmware executable?
14:32:18markun1.3MB, is that possible?
14:32:41TheSevenshould be doable, I guess there's quite a bunch of non-code in there
14:32:59markunon the players with NOR they use RAR to compress the firmware
14:33:14TheSevenonce you've found some entry points, the firmware being big won't hurt
14:33:24gevaertsthat's what I see as well
14:33:55markunTheSeven: you mean to dump the bootrom to a part of the firmware and then download it with DFU, right?
14:34:14TheSevencould also be an idea, if you know how to write to nor
14:34:21TheSeventhe other question is if we even need to do that at all
14:35:19markunwhat's the alternative?
14:35:27TheSevendirectly looking at the firmware
14:35:41TheSevenas the bootrom will probably bypass the ftl anyways
14:35:58TheSevenare there download links for the firmware?
14:37:33markunTheSeven: yes, but I can also put them all in one archive for you if you want
14:38:14CIA-85New commit by 03teru (r23419): Update Japanese translation.
14:38:17topikhttp://www.meizume.com/download/ has them
14:38:35gevaertsTheSeven: if you get them, look for the rar header about 8 or 16k into the .bin files. Unpack from there for the real image
14:39:03gevaertsat least for the NOR-using ones
14:39:23markunM6SL doens't have NOR
14:40:36TheSevenbah, need to register
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14:43:24topikif you want M6SL firmwares, they are on their official site too: http://en.meizu.com/service/music/mp4.html
14:43:27topikor M3's
14:45:07TheSevengevaerts: the M6SL firmware isn't compressed at all, that's just plain ARM code
14:46:25topikoh, i have one of those SL's. thought i had the SP version.
14:47:05TheSevenhm, how do I tell IDA that this is a big endian core?
14:47:19funmanyou can select the CPU type at start no ?
14:47:44funmanARM processors : ARM, ARM710a, ARMB <−−
14:48:14TheSevenyes, but which of them are little endian
14:52:26funmanall but ARMB i think
14:52:43funmanxScale is declined in xScaleB & xScale L (Big & Little)
14:55:48topikthat firmware dislikes pino. at offset 3418
14:57:40markunTheSeven: what's pino?
14:57:53markuneh.. topik
14:58:26topikthe disassembly reads 'pino sux'
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15:20:38ErikwHi
15:20:46TheSeventopik: nice catch!
15:20:52TheSevenyou know what you found?
15:21:30ErikwI want to make a '.scrobbler.log' but I don't know the format and notation used in the file. I have googled but found no sample. Can some one please post a sample og a scrobble-log?
15:22:13ErikwI literary want to make it my self with some data from another scrobbler
15:22:35evilnick_BErikw: http://www.audioscrobbler.net/wiki/Portable_Player_Logging
15:23:05Erikwah there. thanks!
15:23:19topiknope, i don't know much
15:23:34Erikwhave a dump from my old last.fm account and I wat to import it to my new account :)
15:23:47evilnick_BThe mention of Rockbox on that page makes this barely on-topic, so if you have other questions, it'd be best to use their own support channels.
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15:26:23terudoes anyone know why insert_last_shuffled is only for directories and not for playlist files?
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15:46:05*TheSeven really wonders why you don't want to reverse the meizu ftl
15:46:18TheSevenit's full of strings containing function names!
15:46:25TheSeventhe nano2g one was far harder to reverse
15:48:16TheSeven...and judging from those strings, it's quite similar to the nano2g ftl, even though some signatures are obviously different
15:51:03TheSevenjust for an example look at 0x8E548... If I had had such nice strings, the nano FTL would have been finished way earlier!
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15:53:49topikyou look at things like NAND_Init() ?
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15:55:40TheSevenmuch nicer than that.
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16:05:48markunTheSeven: would it make sense to share some of the code?
16:05:56markunI mean, is it similar enough?
16:06:08TheSevenhttp://pastie.org/676798
16:06:27TheSevenmarkun: I haven't looked at actual code, but I think that this may well be possible
16:06:30markunyes, I know all of that
16:06:48TheSevenactually if I would have had this information back when I was digging into the 2g, that would have been far easier
16:07:07markunI've looked at the strings and at the code a few times, but that is from before we had any code running (or thought we didn't have :)
16:08:48val3hi all, i know this not 100% rockbox related, i just found out that my ipod 80gig 5.5V has badblocks, can anyone tell me which the cheapest hdd on the market is, which works with rockbox and the ipod ?!
16:08:51TheSevenReversing and implementing that FTL will probably be easier than adapting the nano2g one...
16:08:58markunok, cool
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16:11:21markunTheSeven: to you want a disassembled firmware I did earlier or will you just do it yourself?
16:11:39markunfor some reason, IDA Pro didn't find a lot of the functions automatically
16:12:04TheSevenyes, i noticed that, and then went the route of just forcing everything to be code for a start...
16:12:18markunah, I could have tried that :)
16:12:40TheSevenida will automatically revert things to data that it finds are referenced
16:12:44markunnice
16:12:49TorneTheSeven: not particularly reliably..
16:12:53TheSevenbut of course you'll still have lots of garbage afterwards
16:13:00Tornemostly it will just accumulate stuff in the problems list :)
16:13:35TheSevenif it would even put it to the problems list...
16:13:40TheSevenmost of that crap goes unnoticed.
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16:16:19TheSevenwe don't have some contact at nxp, do we?
16:16:34TheSevenapple switched PMUs again...
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16:19:17n1sTheSeven: how's it going with the 4g nano?
16:19:36TheSevenUSB fully working, but no idea about the PMU (and thus backlight) or LCD
16:20:06TheSevenand we seem to be unable to dump the bootrom for an unknown reason
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16:21:35TheSevenIf I could only find the MIU...
16:21:40n1sah, that is some important progress, did you get a touch 2g bootrom to RE?
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16:25:35TheSevenn1s: no, but I am playing with the idea of trying to run iBoot on my nano :-)
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16:27:48n1sTheSeven: can you dump the unencrypted firmware from ram?
16:30:25TheSevenyes, but this is a ~10MB blob of code
16:31:56TheSevenhey, nice
16:32:02TheSeveniBSS indeed boots on that thing!
16:32:53TheSevenhm, from the USB ID i'd say it has entered DFU mode...
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16:40:19TheSevenf*ck it
16:40:37TheSevenit's stuck in DFU and neither accepts commands nor the reset combo
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16:45:48TheSevenhm, itunes managed to boot a WTF somehow, no idea why iRecovery failed while trying to do so
16:49:16kugeliRecovery, iBoot, iBSS, iLoader, i
16:49:18TheSevenhm, my irecovery seems to be broken
16:53:35*TheSeven fixed it and wonders why that ever worked
16:58:02TheSevenhm. trying to launch iBEC just resets, trying to launch iBSS makes it enter DFU in a way that can only be exited by uploading a valid WTF, but not through a button combo!
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17:02:21AlexPSorry, http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/HardDriveReplacement
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17:12:02saratogadoes anyone know the exact install procedure for the gogear?
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17:12:15saratogai think i remember it being the same as YH but i'm not sure
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17:22:52val3thanks alexp i will check it out !
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17:37:43cephalopoidhell
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17:38:01cephalopoidany news on porting rockbox to the classic 6G?
17:39:00TheSevenwell, we can run code on it, and are currently working on making the USB controller work, so that we can up/download things more easily
17:39:53TheSevenbut we haven't yet started to actually port rockbox
17:44:08cephalopoidokay
17:44:20cephalopoidwell, I'll just go on playing the waiting game I guess
17:44:25cephalopoid;)
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17:52:58linuxstbcephalopoid: Which generation Classic do you have? (the 1G Classic is the original 80GB/160GB versions, the 2G Classic is the 120GB version, then the new 160GB version is the 3G Classic), We can currently only run code on the 1G Classic.
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17:55:34cephalopoidlinuxstb: it's the 6G classic... 120GB
17:56:02evilnick_Bcephalopoid: So, the 2G classic, by linuxstb's descriptions.
17:57:08cephalopoidokay, sry, 2G it is, then
17:59:00linuxstbThe hardware in the 1G and 2G is almost identical, but they run different firmware versions, meaning the buffer overflow exploit that works on the 1G doesn't work on the 2G.
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18:06:28cephalopoidokay
18:06:52cephalopoidbut now we've achieved to run code, thereby ignoring the buffer or sth?
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18:12:02linuxstbcephalopoid: The "buffer overflow exploit" is way we run code on the 1G Classic. We can't run code at all on other Classics.
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18:13:48cephalopoidnoh, whoops, sorry... that were the ipodlinux guys who could run code on the 2G
18:14:00cephalopoid(2G classic, that is)
18:14:18cephalopoidmaybe you could ask them and cooperate or something
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18:15:24TheSevencephalopoid: nobody has run code on the 2g classic yet
18:15:41evilnick_BRockbox does have a lot of co-operation with ipodlinux, or linux4nano so if they make a breakthrough then rockbox (hopefully) won't be far behind.
18:15:51saratogathe ipodlinux people ran code on the original ipod 2g about 5 years ago, maybe thats what you're thinking of
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18:16:09TheSevenlinuxstb: why do you say that it won't work on the 2g? has anyone ever tried? IIUC it's just a matter of finding out that buffer address...
18:16:20linuxstbTheSeven: Yes, I've got a 2G Classic...
18:16:34linuxstbI mean it doesn't work because the buffer address hasn't been found.
18:16:57TheSevenyes, but that's a "not yet", in contrast to the roadblock we're running agains with the 3g classic
18:17:01TheSevenagainst*
18:17:50linuxstbTheSeven: Sure. But that assumes an exploitable address actually exists. (we haven't found one on the 3G yet, have we?)
18:17:57linuxstb(I mean Nano3G)
18:18:41TheSevenlinuxstb: I have no idea what's fooling us with the 3g, but I bet there is an exploitable address somewhere
18:19:33TheSeventhere are lots of copies of that buffer (14 on the nano4g, a few less on the nano2g), so one of them just must be reachable
18:20:08TheSevenstatistically i'd say that there's an 80% chance that this is exploitable
18:20:24topikjust skip the nano 3g. it's an ugly fat little player anyway :)
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18:34:33TheSeventopik: that's about my opinion on that one.
18:39:07TheSevenyaaaay!
18:39:26*TheSeven managed to move ibugger over to the arm7 :-)
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18:41:16*TheSeven wonders if that ARM7 has any caches that are in our way
18:44:08TheSeventoo bad... :-(
18:44:23TheSeventhe ARM7 seems to have the same perspective on memory, and can't read the bootrom either
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18:51:17n1sTheSeven: maybe the soc actually has some protection for it?
18:51:55TheSevenn1s: I can't imagine why they would use that on the nano, but not on the touch, which has the same soc...
18:52:08n1sah, right
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19:14:57pixelmaevilnick_B: I don't want to give wrong advice and remember you talking about the "reseat flash on the e200" - could it help to solve the trouble described in this post: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=23052.msg157664#msg157664 ?
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19:23:01bertriktoffe82, are you good at assembly/startup code/linker scripts?
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19:25:47toffe82bertrik: not good at anything :)
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19:34:36evilnick_Bpixelma: Possibly. Although when my e280 was playing up then it didn't even get as far as the OF splash screen (otherwise I would have replied to that post!)
19:35:13pixelmahmm... I see
19:36:09evilnick_BIn the same way as you; I don't want to comment on things unless I'm sure. Especially when they involve getting someone to open their player.
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19:37:39TheSevenbertrik: what's the matter?
19:46:47TheSevenah yes, and i had a quick chat with markun about the meizu ftl today... what's holding you back with that one?
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19:50:18JdGordon|evilnick_B: well thats just silly!
19:51:43cephalopoidhttp://www.ipodlinux.org/
19:52:12cephalopoidlook at the newsobject of july 18
19:52:29cephalopoidsays they ran code on what they call a Classic 6G
19:52:40TheSevenyes, we know.
19:53:11cephalopoidwhy did you say no-one ran code on that before then? or are they different?
19:53:45gevaertsthe 6G is the 1st gen Classic
19:54:11TheSeven"6G" = "Classic", which consists of "Classic 1G" (where we ran code on) and "Classic 2G" (where we can't yet run code on) and "Classic 3G" (which won't run code on in near future)
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19:54:48TheSevensometimes the 2G Classic is called 6.5G, but that isn't done consistently either
19:56:00cephalopoidokay, so what I have is 6.5G or classic 2G
19:56:05cephalopoidcorrect?
19:56:11cephalopoid(it's 120 GB)
19:57:45bertrikTheSeven, I thought maybe he could work on the DRAM in the meizus
19:58:21gevaertscephalopoid: yes
19:58:30bertrikThe FTL just seems like a lot of work to me, as far as I've seen it's not the same as in the ipod nano 2g
19:58:37bertriksimilar but not identical
19:59:23TheSevenyes, but keeping it (and having the OF repair it when there is trouble, instead of needing to write all that repair code) is probably the easier route...
19:59:36bertrikkeeping what?
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20:00:12bertrikI was thinking along the line of repairing = formatting
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20:00:37bertrikCan the nano2g FTL do a format?
20:00:40cephalopoidgevaerts: thanks for the clarification
20:01:02cephalopoidso, in the near future, there might be a 6.5G port?
20:02:28cephalopoidand in the meantime, I either play the waiting game or I learn C and contribute?
20:04:37TheSevenbertrik: No, nothing
20:04:41TheSevenI rely on the OF to keep this alive.
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20:05:05TheSevencephalopoid: roughly, yes
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20:07:46cephalopoidokay, thanks :)
20:08:05cephalopoidbetter go for archos next time...
20:08:23cephalopoidat least they proudly run linux in the first place
20:11:12bertrikTheSeven, Also I remember the FTL for the meizu m3 and m6 being slightly different, I'd rather use the same code for all s5l8700 based devices
20:12:35bertrikOTOH, just getting *some* FTL to work on the meizus (m3 would probably be the first) would be great
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20:13:27MoMonsterHi?
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20:15:20MoMonsterHello?
20:15:43gevaertsMoMonster: hello
20:16:24MoMonster^^Hi. I was a bit confused because I don 't use IRC :/
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20:17:09cephalopoiddo you think it'd be possible to put linux on an archos 9?
20:17:10MoMonster....normally
20:17:19evilnick_BMoMonster: Try reading: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IrcGuidelines if you're unfamilar with IRC (and our rules), but essentially it's multiplayer notepad
20:17:48gevaertscephalopoid: we don't put linux on things here!
20:18:42MoMonsterThank you :D I just wanted to ask a question about the custom status bar. I
20:19:24MoMonsterI'm trying to make a touch theme with custom status bar, but I don't get it to load on startup.
20:19:50cephalopoidsorry
20:20:10cephalopoidjust thought you did...
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20:21:26MoMonsterIt would be great if someone with experience could help me there. config.cfg and theme.cfg both look okay, but I still have to select it from the theme settings to see it
20:21:53gevaertscan you put the contents of those files (or all involved files...) on a site like pastebin.com?
20:22:04gevaertscephalopoid: well, this is #rockbox, not #linux :)
20:22:09MoMonsterokay
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20:22:51MoMonsterSorry in advance in case I'm just blind and wasting your time
20:23:11gevaertsthat can happen to everyone
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20:25:04JdGordon|kugel: ok, I'm actually going to try getting some of those small fixes into svn over the weekend, so if you want to talk about them.... :)
20:25:10cephalopoid:)
20:25:27kugelJdGordon|: which specifically?
20:25:47cephalopoidespecially to people who say sentences like these... darn recursion
20:25:51JdGordon|the 3 i added to that task last night
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20:28:16kugelJdGordon|: I think the new viewport_set_defaults has a lot unneeded stuff which is handled by viewport_parse_viewport already (both, %Vi and the UI vp go through that)
20:28:50MoMonster@gevaerts: http://pastebin.com/d54b207e4
20:28:50kugelthe call to _fullscreen() and the MIN(0,..)
20:28:53JdGordon|like what?
20:29:20JdGordon|you are definetly getting things confused... set_ddefaults() is used by everything.. not just parsing Vi and the setting
20:29:40kugelit copies over %VI or the UI vp
20:30:19kugelthose are fixed by viewport_parse_viewport at any time, no need for calling _fullscreen() or MIN(0,..)
20:31:09JdGordon|ah, ok
20:31:24JdGordon|its MAX(0,...) which isnt needed... not MIN
20:31:26kugelthe _fullscreen() call should go in a else case rather
20:31:39JdGordon|but thats not needed because the if makes sure there is a overlap
20:31:45gevaertsMoMonster: that does look correct at first sight. So if you select the theme manually it loads, but the setting doesn't stick? Which player is this?
20:33:38MoMonsterIt's a Cowon D2....
20:33:59kugelJdGordon|: then I don't quite understand the last hunk of the second patch
20:34:45kugeli.e. why are you removing the skin_statusbar_changed call
20:35:36gevaertsMoMonster: is rockbox installed on an sd card or on internal flash?
20:35:53MoMonstergevaerts: It's on the sd card
20:36:01bluebroth3revilnick_B: IRC is multiplayer notepad? One can delete things? ;-)
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20:36:09gevaertshm, it should be able to save the settings then...
20:36:25gevaertsDoes selecting other themes work properly?
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20:37:46MoMonstergevaerts: Saving is no problem, that's right... No, selecting the theme doesn't work either
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20:38:24kugelJdGordon|: and don't be too lazy when you create new files, insert a proper (C) notice and multiple inclusion protection for headers
20:38:25MoMonstergevaerts: But I could swear that it worked before. (selecting the sbs in the status bar menu still works fine)
20:39:00kugeland check whether the copied #includes are all needed
20:39:38*gevaerts doesn't have ideas right now, so he looks around
20:40:15kugel(that was regarding the 3rd patch)
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20:46:12MoMonsterAh! That's it. I put "statusbar: custom" in the theme.cfg an now it works
20:46:19MoMonsterI hope it stays like that
20:46:29gevaertsoh, indeed! That's needed as well...
20:48:23MoMonsterOkay... thank you for your time :) I hope I can figure out the rest now
20:50:35CIA-85New commit by 03alex (r23422): Correct typo that stopped the download link to the Fuze OF appearing in the manual.
20:51:06gevaertsMoMonster: you're welcome!
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20:52:49kugelMoMonster: the custom statusbar doesn't have touch support so far, keep that in mind
20:54:08JdGordon|[12:34] kugel: i.e. why are you removing the skin_statusbar_changed call <- because it is wrong... with that call in there still the pb will get the correct vp, but the rest will be full screen...
20:55:25kugelbecause skin_statusbar_changed calls _fullscreen(). that should be changed instead
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20:55:38MoMonsterkugel: kept in mind. I'm pretty much done with the status bar. Amazing new feature
20:55:38JdGordon|that whole callback isnt needed
20:56:12kugelit currently is, for the classic statusbar, and %we/%wd
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20:56:38JdGordon|currently fine, but classic is on the way out so it should be removed with it
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20:56:50*JdGordon| is only thinking about the future
20:57:02kugelyea, but it's still there, so your patch should fix that instead. otherwise it introduces bugs
20:57:16JdGordon|ah, but that would be doing more than one thing!
20:58:18kugelno, it's part of the wps-to-_set_defaults() conversion
20:58:36n1sJdGordon: s/one/\"one\"/
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21:02:03AlexPIs the D2 bootloader on disk or flash?
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21:08:38gevaertsAlexP: well, it has no disk...
21:08:53fmlHello. I may have missed something, but my very simple WPS does not display the progress bar in the WPS. I use just the %pb tag without any params. No viewports in the WPS. This is on the H120 sin with r23422. Any comments?
21:09:37AlexPfml FS #10721
21:10:39fmlAlexP: ah, I searched for 'progress bar' but found nothing
21:10:57JdGordon|it will hopefully be fixed over the weekend
21:12:18fmlJdGordon: OK
21:12:43JdGordon|10709 has some fixes if you are brave
21:13:21fmlNo, I'm not brave at all! :-)
21:13:45JdGordon|hehe
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21:15:40pixelmaAlexP: D2 bootloader install seems very similar to the other Iaudios
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21:21:59bluebrothergreat. Building rbutil is broken :(
21:22:02*bluebrother goes fixing
21:24:31AlexPgevaerts: Sure, but disk here means storage, rather than a flash chip. E.g. e200 has bootloader on disk, H100 in flash
21:29:57bluebrotherargh. Building out-of-tree but using one object from tools/?
21:35:27TheSevenAlexP: call it NOR and NAND
21:35:47AlexPTheSeven: This is for the purposes of the manual
21:36:18AlexPToo technical and nobody will understand what we are on about
21:36:30pixelmaAlexP: as I understand it, it will end up in flash (compare to the other Iaudios)
21:36:39AlexPpixelma: Ta :)
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21:37:14AlexPHowever I need to wait for his real name anyway
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21:47:47Unhelpfulkugel: did you see my patch? :P
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21:48:34kugelUnhelpful: yep
21:50:06Unhelpfuldid you say it was *bigger* on one of your targets? i saw a decrease even on my beast, where we weren't using long calls... it was quite modest compared to the -63KB on e200, of course.
21:50:48kugelyea, according to rockbox-info.txt my e200 build was ~5k bigger
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21:51:39Unhelpfulhuh. compared to our "usual" rockbox toolchain?
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21:52:41kugelcompared to the build pae
21:52:43kugelpage*
21:53:39Unhelpfulhrm. i built the same rev myself with"normal"crossdev and with eabi
21:54:31kugelcorrection, 1.5k smaller
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21:54:54kugelI probably looked before I made a rm -rf * in the build dir
21:55:52Unhelpfulyour rockbox.elf should have a bunch of symbols with "veneer" in the name, if long calls are being stubbed.
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22:02:30Rand_AlthorIs this a bug? Start a song > Skip forward 1 minute by tapping "Forward" > Immediately hold down "Forward" to start seeking. Result: RB starts the first song of the _ next _folder_, erasing the playlist, and making the new folder into the playlist. (works in reverse too, i.e. skip back and try to seek back moves the whole playlist to the _previous_ folder)
22:03:00kugelthat's really a feater, not a bug
22:03:09kugelfeature
22:03:35Rand_Althorhm. Easy to change the code to remove it?
22:03:36*kugel didn't think he would ever say that without being kidding
22:04:06kugelRand_Althor: it's easy yes
22:04:09CIA-85New commit by 03bluebrother (r23423): Fix mktccboot to make Rockbox Utility compile again. ...
22:04:43Rand_AlthorI have a build environment set up. Would you please tell me what file/section?
22:05:05kugellook at apps/gui/wps.c
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22:07:08CIA-85New commit by 03barrywardell (r23424): Add support for building OSX disk image of beastpatcher.
22:07:36Rand_AlthorFiring up Ubuntu. Seems to be frozen on loading screen. Sorry.
22:09:15AlexPbarrywardell: Good work :)
22:10:09barrywardellAlexP: should I send the disk image to someone to put on the download server?
22:10:58AlexPbarrywardell: yes, Bagder or Zagor
22:11:18Rand_Althorsvn: Unknown hostname 'svn.rockbox.org' −−−− Did I miss something?
22:11:38bluebrotherbarrywardell: can you build Rockbox Utility? I'd be interested if my deploy script now also works on OS X (not yet in svn)
22:11:38Bagderbarrywardell: mail me or give me a url!
22:11:41Rand_Althornevermind
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22:12:09AlexPAnd then give me the link :)
22:12:17AlexP(to the dl server)
22:13:00barrywardellBagder: sent to your mail
22:13:11CIA-85New commit by 03bluebrother (r23425): Building Rockbox Utility now also needs telechips.[ch].
22:13:16Bagdergot it
22:13:25Rand_AlthorOk, I have wps.c open. What am I looking for?
22:14:24kugelyou can do the rest on your own
22:14:46BagderAlexP: its on the download master now, bootloader/toshiba/gigabeat-s/beastpatcher/macosx/beastpatcher.dmg
22:14:51barrywardellbluebrother: I haven't tried, but can do now
22:14:53AlexPBagder: cheers
22:15:24Bagderbtw, there's a third download mirror hopefully joining the fun soon
22:15:25JdGordon|Rand_Althor: just be slower betwen pressing and holding..
22:15:50CIA-85New commit by 03alex (r23426): Add Mac OSX beastpatcher download location to manual.
22:16:06bluebrotherbarrywardell: latest OSX version of the script is here: http://www.alice-dsl.net/dominik.riebeling/rockbox/deploy-release.py
22:17:58AlexPTo make a target unstable is it just the frontpage that needs changing?
22:19:23JdGordon|or use the current build :p
22:20:00Rand_AlthorDoes HZ mean hertz of the player?
22:20:51JdGordon|that sentence doesnt make sense
22:21:07Bob_CHZ = one second in ticks
22:21:33Rand_Althorwps.c referrers to a variable called HZ
22:21:43Rand_Althorsorry
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22:23:31AlexPBagder: To move the beast from unuseable to unstable, is the following correct: http://pastebin.com/m5756cbed ?
22:23:55Bagderseems fine to me, yes
22:24:45AlexPOK, great
22:24:50AlexPAny objections?
22:25:01AlexPI didn't get any from -dev, but just to make sure :)
22:25:07Bagdernone from me!
22:25:43AlexPGreat :)
22:25:52Bagderin a slide I made for my upcoming Rockbox talk, I counted 52 models that run Rockbox ...
22:26:02Bagderpretty impressive number methinks
22:26:07AlexPVEry impressive
22:26:40AlexPI also added the Miezu M3 to unusable, as it is further along than the M6 which is already there
22:26:59AlexPBagder: When is the presentation?
22:27:05Bagdernovember 14th
22:28:15AlexPrighto
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22:40:09CIA-85New commit by 03bluebrother (r23427): Catch import errors for modules that are not part of python.
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22:41:45CIA-85New commit by 03alex (r23428): Move the Gigabeat S to unstable, and add the Meizu M3 to unusable.
22:41:58AlexPBagder: Could you do some update magic?
22:42:21Bagderhm, lemme check...
22:44:01Bagderoh, seemed to work!
22:44:08AlexPGOODY :)
22:44:13TheSevenonce again: what's the general opinion on an ipod touch port?
22:44:18AlexPer, sorry for the caps
22:44:34AlexPTheSeven: As an entire replacement or as an app?
22:44:44TheSevenentire replacement :-)
22:44:50BagderTheSeven: it'd be cool, and has been wanted by a bunch of people
22:45:06Bagdercan a port ever not be a cool thing for whatever platform?
22:45:06TheSevenI know that this means losing lots of functionality on that device which the OF supports (but dualboot should be doable)
22:45:28*TheSeven realized that an itouch port is probably going to be easier than nano4g
22:45:47Bagdermy ancient "rockbox on the touch" blog post is still one of the top search hits people read
22:46:20Bagdernot that it says very much ;-)
22:46:39Bagder(the stats nor the page)
22:48:17TheSeventhe thing is that itouch and nano4g share the same soc, and we already know a lot about the touch
22:48:24TheSevenfar more than we know about the nano...
22:48:56TheSeven(talking about 2g itouch and 4g nano)
22:52:47barrywardellbluebrother: I'm having trouble building rbutil, but I think it's because I only have a beta version of Qt installed
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22:57:28Rand_AlthorI commented out the −−−− Else change_dir(1) in the case ACTION_WPS_SEEKBACK and case ACTION_WPS_SEEKBFWD parts. Seems to have worked. Thanks for the help.
22:57:53Rand_Althor*SEEKFWD
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23:11:37perfectdrughi, is it necessary for the rbutil that I have the right encoder installed at my system for the generation of voiceclips?
23:13:16perfectdrugwhy does the generation fail? http://pastebin.com/m353c78fc
23:14:08bluebrotherbarrywardell: hmm, ok. Thanks anyway :)
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23:19:16CIA-85New commit by 03rasher (r23429): Add the Lyre Mini2440 to the list of sims. Remove ifp-7xx and Ondavx777.
23:21:05JdGordon|why remove the vx777?
23:22:14rasherIt doesn't build
23:22:59rasherHuh, the current build table looks weird. Is it always like that while building?
23:24:05bertrikit looks ok to me now
23:25:16rasherSure does. It had a single header for Recorder, with all 0s
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23:48:22jasiovx777 sim needs UI-ondavx777.bmp to build. otherwise it is fine. I copy the vx747 picture to build. I'll take a photo of my vx777 when I'll have time
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