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#rockbox log for 2009-11-05

00:00:23kugelrasher: I can't delete the 2nd PlainBigAA (for e200) theme
00:00:41kugelI guess the guy got like 4 mails now
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00:03:52Stephen__arent they dfkt's themes ?
00:04:01JdGordon|kugel: (cant look at the diff right now unfortunatly.. so feel free to tell me to shut up untill i can)... and what happens if the setting doesnt exist? this is the same damn problem as sizing it :)
00:04:24kugelthe setting always exists
00:04:47kugelit's what the UI vp has in its fields, global settings if "-"
00:05:25JdGordon|we'll argue this in a few hours :)
00:05:32*JdGordon| needs to erwview the code
00:07:52gitstermc2739: it actually did help, which is surprising.
00:08:03*gitster thanks mc2739 anyway.
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00:10:11CIA-8New commit by 03lenzone10 (r23528): Spoken correction for OUTro value in SKIPLENGTH function.
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00:20:48rasherARGH
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00:26:22kugelrasher: I hope that wasn't related to my message
00:27:21rasheroh, no.. hm
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00:29:14rasherkugel: I assume it's the first one you want to delete?
00:29:24rasher(rather than the one with 1.1 in the name)
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00:30:19kugelrasher: uhm which one has 1.1 in the name?
00:30:41rasherkugel: In the file name. The one which isn't at the top of the list
00:31:31kugelthe 2nd one was a bug fix version, I copied description and name and wanted to delete the one that was uploaded first. but I can't somehow
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00:32:55rasherWhat happens?
00:32:59kugelnothing
00:33:13rasherSo if we're lucky, it didn't send a mail :)
00:33:20rasherIt shouldn't have, iirc
00:33:37kugelI check delete and enter the text, then I click on "update all themes". then I get the same page as if nothing happened
00:34:04kugeli.e. the way I used to delete several other themes just fine
00:34:50rasherYes indeed. Interesting.
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00:36:09kugelmaybe it's due that it has the very same name and/or description now?
00:37:12rasherNo, it's something weirder
00:38:05rasherIt never even gets to the point where it checks if any theme needs changing status
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00:43:15rasherThis is either a php or a firefox thing. It wasn't setting a post parameter for the submit button, which is what I was using to detect this action
00:43:19rasherFixed, and removed.
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00:44:29CIA-8New commit by 03rob (r23529): Ensure touchscreen calibration setting is saved after change or reset.
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00:54:31Rand_AlthorDid anyone ever fix the Midi plugin (so that different patch sets can be used?)
00:55:54kugelrasher: I'm using chrome
00:56:20kugelthanks for looking into it
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00:57:33rasherI guess something changed somewhere in the php/apache stack
00:57:39CIA-8New commit by 03rob (r23530): Fix hiding the status bar in the touchscreen calibration screen.
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01:07:04Unhelpfulamiconn: that breaks anything that treats a pointer to enum as int *, and that is likely to be rather a lot of places.
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01:12:41Rand_AlthorDidn't there used to be a "Last twelve months" link on the front page (for commits)?
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01:16:14Unhelpfuli don't see any way, with short enums, to be able to set some enum-based value via a pointer without it being a pointer to a manually selected int of the right size, unless we use ints with enum values, and then there seems to be little point in having short enums.
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01:16:54Unhelpfulwe *could* flag enums as unpacked, manually, whenever pointers to them need to be taken?
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01:55:14Unhelpfulkugel: disabling short enums gets me what appears to be a worknig build! if we want the space savings for short enums in the majority of RB, i guess we could change variables that will be pointed to to ints, and continue assigning them enum values.
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02:07:25JeremyB796Is there a rockbox firmware avalible for the creative zen moziac?
02:07:52JeremyB796Is there a rockbox firmware avalible for the creative zen moziac?
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02:08:22BOBdotEXEso, on the theme's page of rockbox, some of the screenshots contain album art; is'nt that copywright content???
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02:22:33krazykitBOBdotEXE, possibly covered under fair use?
02:26:28BOBdotEXEi guess...
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02:33:46BOBdotEXEhey, is there any way to edit an uploaded theme, I made my background color the same as text color, :(
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02:36:11JdGordon|that was silly :)
02:36:28JdGordon|and no.. you need to upload it again and get one of the admins to remove the old one (apparently)
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02:43:36BOBdotEXEoh...
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02:47:07Unhelpfulhrm, the corelock_* functions seem to compile identically under eabi, with the exception of corelock_init, which differs only in how memset is called (via a stub vs direct long call)
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03:34:23Kodiac[phone]hey guys i just wanted to know if i can delete songs without a computer w rockbox and if yes if it just deletes the library entry or the actual file.
03:34:47Kodiac[phone]?
03:36:10JdGordonyes
03:36:13JdGordonthe file
03:36:39Kodiac[phone]on the device?
03:36:52JdGordonon the device!
03:37:08Kodiac[phone]tyvm :)
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05:32:48ShapeShifter499hi
05:33:47ShapeShifter499I'm trying to build the newest version of the Rockbox Installer for Linux and I keep getting this error, look at bottom, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/310236/
05:34:01ShapeShifter499what am I doing wrong
05:34:03ShapeShifter499?
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05:35:47JdGordonProject ERROR: Qt >= 4.3 required!
05:35:55JdGordonlooks like you need to upgrade qtdev
05:36:04ShapeShifter499how?
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05:36:41ShapeShifter499I have the latest version Qt
05:37:05JdGordonqmake-qt4
05:37:09JdGordonrun that instead of qmake
05:37:15ShapeShifter499I did
05:37:24ShapeShifter499I get the same error
05:37:33JdGordonthen i'm out of ideas
05:37:45JdGordonbluebrother: might now, but very likely in the land of nod
05:38:02ShapeShifter499is version 4.5.3 in ubuntu good ?
05:38:31JdGordonno idea, I havnt built rbutil in months...
05:39:14ShapeShifter499I need it because the newer version has support for my nano 2gen
05:40:06ShapeShifter499and I'd like to try it out
05:40:22ShapeShifter499can anyone here build it for me?
05:41:00mc2739Rockbox can be installed without rbutil
05:41:12ShapeShifter499I know...
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05:42:26ShapeShifter499still
05:47:03mc2739The two that know the most about rbutil are bluebrother and domonoky.
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05:54:00Unhelpfulkugel: hm, now it seems that short enums suffices to get me a fully working eabi rockbox build on e200...
05:54:08Unhelpfulsorry, long enums. obviously. :)
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06:02:55JdGordonanyone ever done any usb sniffing before?
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07:52:12amiconnUnhelpful: Hmm? Afaik SH1 uses short enums as well with -Os, and that's what we're compiling with
07:53:57Unhelpfulamiconn: short enums are broken if you try to set them via some function that takes an int* and uses it to access them by address - this could overwrite 2 or 3 bytes if the enum is byte or halfword-sized, and could also trigger an unaligned access.
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07:54:30amiconnI understand that. Where are we doing this, and why do those places not use a proper pointer?
07:56:11amiconnIt can't be that many places, or hwcodec rockbox would crash all the time...
07:56:34Unhelpfulwe must be doing something like that *somewhere* - everything started working on my e200 with short enums disabled.
07:57:00Unhelpfuleither that or we have asm code that assumes int-sized enums
07:57:38amiconnSo this needs to be checked and fixed
07:58:25amiconnPointers to an enum need to be defined as that, and "enum foo" is a different type than "enum bar"
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08:00:53Unhelpfulany idea how best to find that, besides very lengthy manual search? :/
08:16:18Unhelpfulyou'd *think* we'd have some warnings for any instance of (int *)(&enum_var)...but i only see link warnings about enum size incompatibilities between RB objects and libgcc ones, since this is no-short-enums libgcc. and when i *had* short enums in libgcc and in RB, it was crashing.
08:18:34Unhelpfulfwiw we also still have a rather large size savings on e200 without short enums. rockbox-info.txt shows a binary size difference of 63488B, that probably can't all be *just* from long-call veneers.
08:25:20amiconnExplicit casts don't cause warnings, because the compiler assumes that the programmer knows what he's doing
08:27:11amiconnI can only think of two ways which may make the search a little easier. (1) grep for 'enum', then check which ones actually define variables (or types which are later used to define variables), then check whether there are places which take a pointer to them
08:27:59amiconn(2) Check which places are taking pointers to variables with a cast, then check whether these variables are enums
08:28:57amiconnDisabling short enums for eabi doesn't solve the underlying problem
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08:44:33Unhelpfuli understand that. the fact that doing so makes it work suggests that enum size assumptions are *likely* to be our problem.
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08:48:22Unhelpfulhrm, i thought -Wcast-align might help, but naturally that triggers on a million other things we do all over the place
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09:07:02Unhelpfulhrm, i suppose an enum that's not named or typedef'd can pretty much be assumed safe, as there's no way to create a variable of that type?
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09:17:52Unhelpfulhrm, another option might be building with short enums disabled, and marking individual enum definitions as packed. a binary search could be done by marking half of them at a time to locate the ones triggering the crash - although this might leave things un-found if they're wrong but don't lead to crashes.
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13:09:28Casainhohello :-) −− what is the other IRC channel? I want to ask something not about Rockbox dev
13:09:59topik#rockbox-community ?
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13:13:35Casainhotopik: thanks ;-)
13:14:16B4gderand topic thanks ;-)
13:15:06CasainhoB4gder: ah nice the topic, I will never forget again ;-)
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14:22:39seaniCould I ask for some general opinion on http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=23100.0 in the forum itself? Thanks!
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15:21:40seaniaudio_ff_rewind in playback.c; is "newpos" an absolute position or a relative jump?
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15:47:44seanithat's a yes. Must remember it doesn't matter if I just do it anyway, I'm only breaking my build :-)
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16:17:26freddybI want to post a scroll wheel keyboard patch on Flyspray and I wanted to ask here before I do it. I made a patch for my Sansa Fuze that greatly improves keyboard entry speed by using a quick and intuitive scrollwheel entry method. The entry letter is chosen by scrolling forward, which selects the column, and then by scrolling back, which selects the row. Scrolling forward inserts the letter and resets the column and row for the
16:17:27freddybnext letter. It's fast.
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16:26:38*n1s wonders if anyone has any thoughts on introducing a config-sim.h header that does all the sim specific #undefs etc to avoid all the #ifdef SIMULATOR things in the target configs, and bring some lovely consistency?
16:27:03gevaertsfreddyb: I'd just post it. It sounds interesting
16:27:31gevaertsn1s: that at least sounds like it could be worth a try
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16:37:03freddybgevaerts: OK, I'll put it up and see if it draws any attention.
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16:47:46Zagorn1s: that sounds very reasonable
16:50:05n1sok, i'll give it a shot then
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18:34:00AysharaHello having a problem getting the bootloader to install
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18:35:16n1sAyshara: you need to give us more details than that
18:37:21AysharaI can't transfer the bootloader over manually to the .system folder, it gives me an i/o error and when I try to do it automaticly it doesn't show up in said folder
18:38:12AysharaIt says it installed correctly when I run rbutil, but I have no clue where it's going exactly
18:39:53AysharaI thought I solved this problem yesterday but I went to start up my h10 and it gave me the same 'please install the original firmware' message so I took a look
18:41:32AysharaThe bootloader somehow disappeared in the last few hours
18:43:01Aysharaso erm, any clue what's going on?
18:43:15*Ayshara doesn't have one
18:43:47domonokydid you check the disk with checkdisk or similar ?
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18:44:34AysharaI am running ubuntu 9.10
18:45:23Aysharaand I don't know of anything similar -_-
18:49:33domonokyfsck.vfat ?
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19:04:44SuperMoutonHi :)
19:05:02SuperMoutonLot of pple here :)
19:05:49SuperMoutonbut no one talking ? :(
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19:08:10Aysharai'm attempting to run fsck.vfat
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19:13:25Aysharahmm this is frustraiting
19:13:37Aysharait says it can't find the device
19:13:55SuperMoutonso sad :(
19:14:04Aysharausing fsck.vfat -r /media/h10
19:14:18FlynDiceIf you use the keyboard a lot would you please check out freddyb's FS #10763 and leave some feedback, I think he's got a good idea but I hardly ever use the keyboard....
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19:15:12BesitzerHey, does rockbox go only on the supported systems, or go it like linux on other systems to?
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19:17:17Blue_DudeBesitzer: Rockbox is a replacement firmware for DAP's. It's not an application.
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19:17:28domonokyBesitzer: rockbox only works on the devices listed on the homepage. mp3players are not a computer.
19:17:48AysharaI really want to get this working because I cannot go back to the original firmware
19:17:53BesitzerI know, but i want to know if i can put it on my odys too?
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19:18:12Besitzer,tto
19:18:16Besitzer,too
19:18:32Blue_DudeBesitzer: if it's listed on the homepage, you can do it. If not, you can't.
19:18:36bertrikno, we don't have rockbox for odys players AFAIK
19:19:41BesitzerOk where can i slating my MP3-player model for making compatible?
19:20:11BesitzerYes i know, thanks!^^
19:20:18AysharaI'm not sure why the device can't be found, I can see it at /media/H10
19:22:01Aysharaerm this is odd now
19:22:30AysharaI got it found but it just says /media/H10 is a directory and nothing else
19:22:47AysharaO.o
19:23:00BesitzerOk where can i slating my MP3-player model for making compatible?
19:23:24gevaertsAyshara: /media/H10 is the mount point, not the device
19:23:38BesitzerOr are there other projekts like rockbox?
19:24:09sampattuzziBesitzer, what do you mean by slating?
19:24:32sampattuzziAs far as my slang goes, slating is a severe critique
19:24:40Aysharastating maybe?
19:24:57Besitzerto propose
19:25:03bertrikTo make it work, a volunteer with the technical knowledge (knowing C and preferably embedded software) has to take time to work on it
19:25:28sampattuzziBesitzer, what bertrik said
19:25:52Besitzerand where i find a volunter?
19:26:06bertrikrockbox ports aren't done on request
19:26:17bertrikBesitzer, you could be the volunteer :P
19:26:25Besitzervolunteer
19:26:32Aysharagevaerts: So what am I supposed to put instead?
19:27:04BesitzerI cant C im at time beginning to learn Java in school...
19:27:25BesitzerI'm
19:27:29Besitzercan't
19:27:42bertrikBesitzer, it's a lot of work, it can easily take a year to do a rockbox port
19:28:07AysharaBesitzer, get a player that's compatable with rockbox if you can't make the port yourself
19:28:26sampattuzziBesitzer, if you have a lot of money you could hire somebody to do the port?
19:28:36Besitzerhave somebody a odys x29fm?
19:30:02BesitzerWhen i would had a lots of money i would buy me a player whos compatible!^^
19:30:17BesitzerWhat is the cheapest player of them?
19:30:33AysharaBesitzer look on ebay for a H10 20gb
19:30:47AysharaThey're going for cheap
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19:30:54gevaertsAyshara: the device node
19:31:21AysharaWhich is?
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19:33:46Besitzerhave the archos player an blackwhite screen?
19:35:04Aysharagevaerts: what's the device node?
19:35:17Besitzerspeek somebody german?
19:35:22evilnick_BAyshara: Presumably you can google
19:37:59Besitzerwould i kill my player when i do a not compatible rockboxversion on it?
19:39:46bluebrotherBesitzer: you simply _can't_ install it if its not compatible.
19:39:58bluebrotherMost likely the player would simply ignore the files you put on it.
19:40:00AysharaEvil: google turns up nothing
19:40:05Besitzerok
19:41:06evilnick_BAyshara: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-GB%3Aofficial&q=what+is+a+%22device+node%22&aq=f&oq=&aqi=
19:41:09evilnick_BFirst result
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19:42:45Besitzerok bb, thankssssssssssssssss
19:43:03bluebrotherAyshara: just search wikipedia for "device node" ...
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19:49:32seaniCould someone clear up use of current_tick for me? Can I reliably get a time difference in seconds with (my_tick_var - current_tick) / HZ ? Or am I missing some other required scaling?
19:50:03AysharaI'm looking at /dev/ and I'm not seeing sd1 now
19:50:07seaniAnd a a bonus question, what do I call to get some console debug output in the simulator? Ta!
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19:52:49seaniOoh, that should be (current_tick - my_tick_var) / HZ but the principle stands (or falls)
19:53:13bertrikseani, yes I think you can do that, taking the difference with some earlier time should be able to handle a wrap in current_tick
19:53:29bertrik(although the wrap takes a really long time)
19:54:12seaniTa, and I see that DEBUGF gives me fun and games at the console?
19:54:18bertrikthere are macros for comparing times, TIME_AFTER and TIME_BEFORE IIRC
19:54:58seaniOk, macros it is, thanks
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19:57:03domonokyyes TIME_AFTER and TIME_BEFORE should be used, they take care of the wrapping.
19:57:36saratogathe microsecond timer on your device would probably be better unless you're timing a really long interval
19:57:48Bagderthe wrap takes about 49.71 days
19:59:24bertrikoh, I calculated 497.1 days (assuming HZ = 100)
19:59:39Bagderhm, why did I think 1000...
19:59:56Bob_C_windows tick wrap is 49 days...
19:59:59*Bagder is wrong
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20:00:12Bagderyes, ms wraps in that time but HZ is 100
20:00:12bertrikanyway, takes too long to reproduce :P
20:01:12BagderI bet not that many rockbox devices have run more than 49.7 days straight
20:01:49gevaertsjust wait until someone implements suspend
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20:02:18Bagderthat shouldn't keep counting ticks at 100HZ though ;-)
20:03:03Bob_C_497 days is enough for anyone, you can quote me on that
20:03:20gevaertsBagder: maybe not while suspended
20:04:02gevaertstotal runtime will be a lot more though
20:04:13gevaertsBob_C_: but will 100Hz be enough for anyone?
20:04:41gevaertsAyshara: /dev/sd1 is definitely not what you're looking for. Linux uses /dev/sd<letter>
20:04:57bertrikgevaerts, you need at least 200 Hz for doom!
20:05:32gevaertsAyshara: mount should tell you which one you need, if it's currently mounted. Don't forget to unmount before running fsck though
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20:07:30Bob_C_gevaerts: 10ms is a long time...
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20:18:27bertrikmarkun, I have sdram working on the meizu m6sp
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20:22:23seaniMy requirements are modest, I just need to tell if 5 seconds have elapsed since I last checked. But it could go as high as 10. Still a fair bit of headroom.
20:23:03BagderTIME_AFTER is your friend
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20:24:45*gevaerts still thinks that making this timeout based is wrong :)
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20:25:57seaniBagder, all good now thanks. I couldn't see a macro for adding ticks so I'm using my_tick_var = current_tick + (5 * HZ) for eg.
20:26:10Bagderthat works fine
20:27:07seaniWho do I report gevaerts to? He's oppressing me (but really it's not quite what you think, and just a test in any case :-))
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20:28:22seaniGack, foiled.
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20:46:06kugelUnhelpful: :/ the statusbar enum seems to be the only short-enum problem :/
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21:03:31kugelUnhelpful: nevermind, I was doin a single core build
21:03:38kugelogg doesn't work
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21:12:27JohnTeddyWhy can I charge my iPod video 850mAh battery when plugged into my laptop, with OF or RB software. But if I plug the device into my car and give it 5VDC over USB from my car, it does not charge using OF or RB software?
21:16:37Blue_DudeGrr. Does anyone use crossfade? It seems more trouble than it's worth...
21:18:13JdGordon|kill it then :)
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21:18:46JdGordon|(not really... you will be chased down by the rabbid mod that is our users if you did)
21:18:53pixelmasome do (I remember the guy who made the scheme in the manual), I don't though
21:19:15seaniPaging gevaerts (or anyone else who's interested) would you checkout my response at http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=23100.msg157921#msg157921 ?
21:20:23seaniAnd is this Ok? I figure more specifically technical questions *here* references to general behaviour'y discussion *there* or is that bad form? Seemed too wordy to carry on here.
21:21:02evilnick_BBlue_Dude: I use it 95% of the time
21:21:46Blue_Dudeok. I'm just in the process of sorting out playback/pcmbuf and crossfade is a real mess.
21:23:16Blue_DudeI promise not to kill it though.
21:23:28Blue_DudeMight lose some hair in the meantime.
21:23:43evilnick_BJohnTeddy: But if the cable works under OF/RB on your laptop and not in the car, then I'd say it's something to do with the difference in the power (not sure of the correct terms)
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21:25:25JohnTeddyevilnick_B: I am pretty sure they are both 5VDC I can check with a multimeter. Is it possible to charge your iPod video via card adapter?
21:26:06JohnTeddyIs there some communication going on that would be necessary to start the charging? some USB standard communication, or maybe the device specifies how much current it wants.
21:26:20JohnTeddyHas anyone in here charged their iPod video via car adapters?
21:26:21gevaertsseani: I think what you write there makes sense. You still need to decide how to get in and out this mode of course :)
21:28:19evilnick_BJohnTeddy: I've used a wall charger on that ipod and it works fine (i.e. how it does for you when plugged into a PC)
21:28:31gevaertsJohnTeddy: ipods do indeed only go to charge mode after some negotiation
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21:28:53kugelBlue_Dude: you're not the first one coming to that conclusion
21:29:39seanigevaerts: Aye, it's a puzzler. I might have a go at the quickscreen option. That's another load of stuff I don't understand, but all good fun. Would flicking in and out of binarysearch mode via that screen and resetting across boots be acceptable?
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21:30:05JohnTeddygevaerts: So do I need a special car adapter with some integrated circuit built in that will start the charging?
21:30:13Blue_Dudekugel: I'm steadily picking at playback and pcmbuf to help unmessify them.
21:30:29gevaertsJohnTeddy: I don't know the details. Possibly
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21:30:51JohnTeddySo the wall charger probably has some black chip (ic) that negotiates with the iPod in order to start the charging.
21:31:03kugelBlue_Dude: nice!
21:31:04JohnTeddyBut my 'generic' car adapter does not have this functionality.
21:31:36evilnick_BJohnTeddy: I doubt it, as the one that I'm using is a non-Apple thing that wasn't even sold as being made for iPods. It is just a really generic black bit of plastic with an LED and a USB port!
21:31:37gevaertsseani: I would use the context menu, not the quickscreen. Also, I think that going to normal mode on reboot is actually desirable
21:31:39JdGordon|I dont tihnk any of my ipiods ever have a problem charging from my car charger or wallcharger
21:32:57JohnTeddyIs it possible to charge an iPod while it is playing music?
21:33:31evilnick_BJohnTeddy: Yes, check the manual for the correct button to hold when inserting the USB cable
21:33:31domonoky1JohnTeddy: sure, just press the right button while you insert usb.
21:33:38domonoky1see manual for the correct key.
21:33:59JohnTeddyThis is for OF or RB software?
21:34:05JohnTeddyYou can charge while playing music for both?
21:34:17domonoky1rockbox ofcourse, we dont care about the OF :-)
21:34:24JohnTeddyheh, ok
21:34:52JohnTeddydomonoky1: So hold the right button, insert USB, then let go of the right button?
21:35:02seanigevaerts: Ok, thanks, I'll trot off and make sure I understand the difference - I don't use either very much (as far as I'm aware). And I guess that reset on boot means you don't have YABS to save away.
21:35:09domonoky1jup, take a look at the manual..
21:35:26gevaertsseani: exactly
21:36:03evilnick_BJohnTeddy: I *think* it's the menu button, but it's been a while since I've used RB on an iPod...(!)
21:36:26gevaertspamaury: could you open a flyspray task for MTP? I think it would be useful to have a single place to put comments
21:37:12pamauryYes I can, should I ajust dd a link to github or post the code also (seems weird) ?
21:37:36gevaertsfor now I think a link to github is best
21:38:11gevaertsI noticed a few unrelated changes in the mtp branch there though
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21:39:31pamauryreally ? Which ones ? I only modified slightly usb core
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21:40:18gevaertsI think something in config-e200.h and a wps thing.
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21:40:55gevaertsMaybe it would help if you rebase it to a current revision. That shouldn't be too hard I suspect
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21:41:52pamauryAh yes you right, I modified congig-e200.h for multivolume but the code currently only support one volume. But I don't see the change about wps. Wait a minute.
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21:43:58pamauryWhat is the command to rebase to current revision (I forgot it each time, to avoid looking at the man) ?
21:44:15GodEatergit svn rebase ?
21:44:19pamaurygevaerts: done: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10764.
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21:44:43pamaurygevaerts: Should I say more things in the description ?
21:45:30gevaertspixelma: I think the important things are there. Maybe you could summarise the status a bit though (i.e. what works, what doesn't, what never will...)
21:45:41gevaertsoops
21:45:44gevaertspamaury: I think the important things are there. Maybe you could summarise the status a bit though (i.e. what works, what doesn't, what never will...)
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21:46:14AaronMugggg does anyone else have a problem with iloader/rockbox on the 2g going into 'Use iTunes to restore' mode over simple things (battery dying, restarting with menu + select, ect. ect. )
21:47:37GodEatergevaerts: having definite issues with USB on this Gigabeat S
21:48:05kugelgevaerts: interesting, some time ago you didn't think it was a good idea to link to my git repo instead of posting patches
21:48:57gevaertskugel: it depends on the state. I definitely prefer real patches for commit candidates
21:49:23gevaertsGodEater: what sort of issues?
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21:54:07Reggy_LHow can i convert videos for rockbox ?
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21:54:47Reggy_LHow can i convert videos for rockbox running on an Ipod Classic 5th generation ? **
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21:55:08FlynDiceReggy_L: I would try winff myself...
21:55:36pamaurygevaerts: there is a problem is the github history of mtp branch: if I apply the patches iteratively, it doesn't work because at several points there have been inconsistency with pcc1. What can I do about it ?
21:55:38Reggy_LIm running Ubuntu
21:55:47FlynDiceme to....
21:55:52gevaertsReggy_L: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/PluginMpegplayer might help. Also, please don't confuse things by calling the 5th gen "Classic" :)
21:56:14Reggy_Lgevaerts: is it not calles Classic ?
21:56:23Reggy_Lcalled*
21:56:23gevaertspamaury: good question, I'm not a git expert...
21:56:27FlynDiceReggy_L: It's available for linux
21:57:19gevaertsReggy_L: it's a bit confused. "Classic" (with a capital C) definitely is only 6th gen and later. Some people like to call all "big" ipods classic though, but we prefer not to do that
21:57:19GodEatergevaerts: doh. Ahem. Player ran out of juice.
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22:00:42n1sdomonoky1: i wondered one thing about those macros... afaict they won't be correct if you compare values "on eiter side" of a wrap so if the value you compare current_tick is before the wrap and current_tick wraps
22:03:44peturhas something happened to genlang? it returned me a file full of empty <phrase> tags
22:04:19gevaertspetur: that could explain some of those weird LANG_* related build failures
22:04:58peturI get a 19KB file where I expect a 200KB one
22:05:28gevaertsis it reproducible?
22:05:43peturat the moment, yes
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22:06:30peturI did upgrade to ubuntu 9.10, maybe it is related
22:07:14gevaertsif it is, that would be really interesting to know
22:07:20*petur adds -v
22:07:46peturthat helped :(
22:07:55petur-v outputs *nothing*
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22:08:46peturlet me try another system (also 9.10, sadly)
22:09:52gevaerts-v or V=1?
22:10:02petur-v
22:10:34petursame for -V or -v=1 or -V=1
22:10:49gevaertsoh, ignore me there. I thought you were still running it through make
22:12:02peturah, interesting... there's more than empty <phrase> tags. At some point it lists a whole lot of 'untranslated' entries correctly
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22:12:59peturmy other PC does the exact same thing
22:15:19peturwe probably need Bagder for this?
22:17:42kugelarggg
22:17:53kugelgetting panic on an eabi build on the fuze
22:18:43JdGordon|shuoldnt the build page say "All 3160 builds are OK"?
22:20:10gevaertspetur: how exactly are you reproducing this?
22:20:15*gevaerts wants to have a go as well
22:20:36peturin the lang dir: ../../tools/genlang -u -e=english.lang nederlands.lang > nederlands2.lang
22:20:48peturas documented in the wiki
22:20:51Tornekugel: isn't it fun :)
22:21:29*gevaerts looks for rasher
22:21:53peturah, right, our langfile specialist ;)
22:22:15peturhe'll probably say I should use his site to translate
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22:22:33rasherNo, I'll say I know very little about genlang and refer to Bagder
22:22:54peturdoes it still work for you?
22:23:18peturperl version = 5.10.0
22:24:33rasherNope, looks rather broken. Outputs a bunch of </phrase>
22:24:42petursame as here then
22:24:47domonoky1doesnt genlang also need the features ?
22:24:49rasherAnd then missing phrases
22:24:53rasherNot for -u
22:25:12domonoky1ah, right..
22:25:44Bagdersince genlang is unmodified since a good while back, I suggest a recent .lang edit somehow broke this
22:26:22peturgenlang last changed 2 weeks ago by midgey34
22:26:32Bagderah
22:26:38BagderI forgot that
22:26:46peturand 4 weeks ago by tomers
22:26:59Bagderbut hasn't it worked for that long time?
22:27:17peturhaven't used it for months
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22:28:54gevaertsit broke between 22000 and 23000
22:30:17peturwas just going to say that the 8 month old version still worked
22:30:42petur20187 is OK
22:30:52gevaertsr22945 broke it
22:30:55gevaertsRTL support in menus
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22:33:09seaniOk I've added a context menu setting for my test "Binary Search Mode" for navigating within very long tracks. Any suggestions for a less geeky phrase to describe skipping about in a long track using a binary search? "Long Track Search Mode"?
22:33:55gevaertsit also works in a short track, right?
22:34:06gevaerts(even though it's not needed there)
22:34:24peturand we all know it is a search mode
22:34:32kugelTorne: other sd drivers work. the errors come from the error bits of the controller :/
22:34:55gevaertspetur: you mean, give it an empty string as a name?
22:35:04*gevaerts thinks that that might be confusing for new users
22:35:07Tornekugel: fun
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22:35:53Learrasher: That move of "undef @phrase;" in genlang looks odd to me...
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22:37:48rasherI'm really not the right guy to talk to
22:38:38LearI was thinking you might want to try moving it back and see what happens.
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22:39:07gevaertsmoving it back seems to help
22:39:10seanigevaerts: yes fair point. "Fast Search" or "Fast Seek" or "Fast Skip" seems to suggest that the current accelerated search isn't fast. Mind you, "Party Mode" works whether you're having a party or not? It seems descriptive of the typical use-case.
22:39:15gevaertsAt least the size is right again
22:39:50peturparty mode only works when you have a party
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22:39:58peturit is fun to debug ;)
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22:40:24gevaertsseani: I usually give up on features because I can't think of a good name for them :)
22:40:59seaniI bow to your greater experience. No wonder Test Driven Development has taken off in some quarters.
22:41:02domonoky1how about rocksearch :-)
22:41:24*petur hits domonoky1 with whatever he can find
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22:42:58gevaertspetur: can you test if moving 'undef @phrase' from line 554 to line 546 works? The output file is big again, but I'm not sure if it's really correct
22:43:34peturI'm translating already right now (using genlang r20187)
22:43:45peturI'll check after the commit
22:46:31Unhelpfulkugel: i was kind of wondering, too... there aren't a *lot* of global-level enum variables that i've found so far, which is what i'd expect for anything that's passed as a pointer... the other thing to check is any enums passed as a pointer, even to the correct type, to asm functions, since the asm clearly needs to assume a size. probably asmdefs could be extended to handle these cases as they're found, instead of just special-casing them.
22:47:17kugelUnhelpful: well, the build really works with only the global_settings member fixed
22:47:54kugelnevertheless I was running a single core build (multi-core build still doesN't work)
22:48:14Unhelpfulkugel: really? it seemed to me that multi-core worked correctly when i built with long enums.
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22:50:11kugelare you sure?
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22:56:30peturwhat is Makeup Gain?
22:57:30*Torne tries to think up a facetious answer involving people who wear too much makeup
22:57:43Blue_Dudepetur: in compressor?
22:57:48peturso does google translate ;)
22:57:51peturyes
22:57:57Blue_Dudegain restoration
22:58:10peturis that the final gain after compressing?
22:58:39Blue_Dudeit is gain restoration after compression
22:58:46peturgotcha
22:59:39CIA-8New commit by 03blue_dude (r23538): pcmbuf: clarify and simplify crossfade code, etc.
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23:00:25pamauryGodEater: ping
23:00:50Unhelpfulkugel: fairly sure, patching so that the default is always long enums is fairly easy, and i'm pretty sure i did a clean build without FORCE_SINGLE_CORE after that...
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23:01:14kugelwithout?
23:01:49kugelfno-short-enums works without recompiling gcc?
23:03:09Unhelpfulkugel: fno-short-enums works without recompiling gcc, but all of the libgcc objects are flagged as using short enums, so you get link warnings, and i also wanted to be certain that the warnings didn't represent any *real* problem... not that i expected to be passing enums to any libgcc functions.
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23:08:06kugelUnhelpful: still not booting (without recompiling gcc
23:08:51Unhelpfulperhaps i should add a libgcc with long enums as a multilib option
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23:10:55peturthose compressor ratio strings are really wasting lang ram...
23:11:34seaniHa, I see there's a "Skip Length" menu I didn't remember at all. How about sticking "Binary Skip" under there as an option? Doesn't clutter settings higher up and if you're digging in there to change stuff you're more likely to be interested and / or understand what it means?
23:11:51JdGordon|sounds good
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23:13:12kugelUnhelpful: it boots without fixing global_settings but single core build (using -fno-short-enums), so I assume it's not the linker warning that produces my non-bootable build
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23:14:26Unhelpfulkugel: unless something in libgcc with an enum size assumption is exercised by multicore...
23:14:46kugelUnhelpful: btw, I tried removing all naked attributes and using C version instead of asm in thread.c, no success though
23:15:22kugel(where possible that is)
23:15:39CIA-8New commit by 03peter (r23539): updated Dutch lang file
23:15:52seaniAlso looks like some menu callback shenanigans to play with.
23:16:10peturgevaerts: that genlang change you suggested fixes it
23:16:14peturshall I commit it?
23:16:17Unhelpfulkugel: you can't assume that where it crashed is where it went wrong, though. an enum size assumption *anywhere* could result in data overwritten that might not cause an immediate crash. :/
23:16:51gevaertspetur: why not?
23:17:41kugelwhy do we link libgcc anyway? just for (u)divd3?
23:18:30CIA-8New commit by 03peter (r23540): Fix genlang tool broken by r22945
23:18:32Torne(u)divsi3 as well :)
23:19:11peturgevaerts: because I don't know perl? ;)
23:19:11bertrikthe meizu m6sp framebuffer is now in sdram instead of iram, but I still get the same kind of hang after initialising the lcd
23:19:27gevaertspetur: I don't know perl either :)
23:19:36peturWIN!
23:20:35bertrikI think I must be doing something wrong in the setup of the lcd controller
23:20:43kugelperhaps we could just provide those on our own
23:20:55Tornekugel: there might be other things. have a look.
23:21:07Tornewell, more specificaly link without it and see what's missing :)
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23:22:39Tornekugel: a quick look in the map suggests that it literally is just the division/modulo functions
23:23:19bertrikmaybe the lcd controller wants bigger alignment of the lcd frame buffer? (it's now aligned at 16-bytes it seems)
23:24:02kugelbertrik: the s3c2440 framebuffer needs 4k alignment AFAIK
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23:25:14bertrikis there a simple way to enforce alignment of the frame buffer?
23:26:00kugelin the lds for example
23:26:36Bagderor __attribute__ aligned
23:28:08kugelyea. the s3c2440 puts it into a separate section, I think making it in the lds works better for that
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23:30:51kugelUnhelpful: can you make sure again that you managed a multicore build?
23:32:11bertrikas a very dirty hack, I'll just move the framebuffer pointer a bit to the next aligned address and see if it helps for the hang I'm getting
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23:36:12bertriktoo bad, that didn't help
23:37:02bertrik4k alignment ought to be enough, right?
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23:40:40petur640K ought to be enough for everybody
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23:46:09JdGordon|depends what though
23:46:27*JdGordon| would happily accept a $640K cheque :)
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23:48:55peturask one from BillG :p
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23:52:00JdGordon|petur: "histogram and balance (code *is* coming)" histogram especially... but if oyu do the drawing bit outside of the screen code it shuoldnt cause any problems for skinning
23:54:09peturjust the placement
23:54:22peturand it will need a tag
23:55:09JdGordon|sure
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