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#rockbox log for 2009-11-17

00:05:57 Quit bertrik ("De groeten")
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00:16:14saratogaany ideas why the clip doesn't turn on the screen if it data aborts?
00:16:17saratogaits really annoying
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01:28:56Unhelpfulsaratoga: check UIE?
01:29:30saratogaUnhelpful: ?
01:29:34UnhelpfulUIE on ARM does not appear to touch the backlight
01:29:59saratogaother targets manage to power on the back light when crashing
01:30:18Unhelpfulhrm, and clip doesn't even *have* one, does it?
01:30:53saratogahave what?
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01:42:18saratogahuh UIE doesn't seem to turn on the backlight
01:46:24saratogaUnhelpful: rereading what you wrote, the clip has active OLED pixels, but it still needs to have the back light on in order to read them (although in reality it just turns on the screen)
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02:09:32Unhelpfulsaratoga: "backlight" on means "display" on, basically?
02:10:45saratogaUnhelpful: I believe so
02:11:01saratogathe pixels are basically light emitting diodes, so they're either off or glowing
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02:46:59Strife89Well, the Fuze is finally on its last legs - %20 remaining.
02:54:02Strife89And it died.
02:57:23Strife8911H 52M
02:58:27saratoga12 hours
02:58:29saratogawe have work to do
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03:05:51saratogathe new clip patch seems like a pretty big improvement
03:06:03Strife89After using the iPod for a while, the time feels pretty good. :)
03:06:34Strife89I kept wondering, for a while, if the Fuze would even drain before I went to sleep.
03:07:44Strife89Furthermore, this is a fairly worn Fuze. The battery is certainly nowhere near tip-top shape.
03:07:47JdGordonpixelma: you get anywhere with the statusbar bmps?
03:08:25Strife89That said, I'll start an OF benchmark tomorrow, then another Rockbox bench that involves *NO* interaction.
03:09:30Strife89saratoga: Also note that I used ogg vorbis files. VBR, just short of 192 kbps.
03:10:56Strife89http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaRuntime
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03:15:21saratogaformat probably doesn't make a huge difference since the CPU clock speed can't go below 62MHz
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03:18:53Strife89What does it clock at when boosted?
03:22:39JdGordonsaratoga: go ahead and email thingamybob for access....
03:22:44JdGordonnoone wants to object
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03:25:48Blue_DudeWhat *is* going on with the build system?
03:28:01Blue_DudeMore importantly, where do we go to fix it?
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03:49:26saratogaStrife89: 248MHz
03:49:43saratogaBlue_Dude: it occasionally gets stuck, you'll have to wait for someone in Europe to wake up and fix it
03:52:28saratogaJdGordon: ok sending the email now
03:55:16saratogalets hope that hotmail address goes somewhere he actually reads
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04:04:10Unhelpfulkugel: i made another test image with all four subpixel layouts. one of these should look nearly free of color fringe for you. or else you just have eyes too sharp for your own good.
04:04:12Unhelpfulhttp://www.looking-glass.us/~chshrcat/rockbox/aafonttest3.png
04:04:24saratoga4 hours and counting on my clip
04:04:43saratogai wonder if it'll go all night
04:08:02Unhelpfulfor calibration a synthetic test with pure colors would be better
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04:25:39Tomisi see color fringe on every single one of those Unhelpful
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04:59:37saratogafunman: ping
04:59:50funmanpong
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05:00:07funman(and early hello)
05:00:20saratogathe latest clip patch is working pretty well for me
05:00:31saratogayou might want to try it out if you've still got a v 1 clip working :)
05:00:36saratoga5 hours and counting
05:00:51funmani've seen it on flyspray but i did not give much time for rockbox recently
05:01:05saratogahttp://duke.edu/~mgg6/rockbox/buffering_playback_v1.7z
05:01:09funmanthis has good sides : my clip is still working ;)
05:01:14saratogatry it next time you're listening to music
05:01:22saratogathats what i've been doing
05:02:56saratogaanyway good night
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05:03:04funman'night
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06:12:18AEnima1577hellp
06:12:21AEnima1577hello
06:12:25AEnima1577and help
06:12:40AEnima1577interesting, anyways any one deal with rockbox and mpd together/?
06:13:17JdGordonjust ask yoour question
06:13:31JdGordonmpd shouldnt have any problems.. rockbox usb just shows up as a filesystem
06:15:04AEnima1577i wanted to know about tag writing and updating
06:15:28AEnima1577if i used rockbox to rate the music and wanted to up dated the mpd database based on what the ratings were in rockbox
06:17:34JdGordonnope
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07:52:00pixelmawhy does the built-in statusbar vanish on the remote when I select a custom sbs on the main screen (seen in an H300 sim)?
07:57:40CIA-80New commit by 03Ubuntuxer (r23653): FS #10193 - Add a standart menu to rockblox and clean up the code
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08:07:40pixelmaUbuntuxer: what does standard have to do with art?
08:08:29Ubuntuxerwhat does you mean?
08:09:22pixelmathe spelling (I only say something because I saw you spelling this wrong all the way in the forum post too)
08:10:36Ubuntuxerups, sorry
08:10:57pixelmait's also wrong in German ;)
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09:50:05topiklinuxstb: are there any plans to introduce a fix for FS #10679 ?
09:52:44linuxstbtopik: I'm not working on the Nano2G any more - best for someone who is (e.g. TheSeven) to fix that. I noticed he's made one or two commits which reduce stack usage, but don't know if he has plans for more changes like that (if they are even possible).
09:54:25topikfair enough. thanks for the reply. perhaps TheSeven can pick it up
09:54:46topikthat issue is the only really annoying thing about rockbox on my nano 2g atm
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11:32:46salty-horsehi. using valgrind, I get an uninitialized data read warning in strcmp when it compares strings "a word at a time", it tries to compare the data beyond the allocated area
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11:35:58TheSeventopik: i managed to get rid of all big things on the stack inside the FTL, so this one must be coming from the FAT driver
11:38:02TheSevenso there are two possibilities: move FAT buffers from the stack to the bss (and thereby disallow simultaneous use of the affected parts of the fat driver by other threads, thus probably requiring more interlocking), or just increase the stack size
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11:40:54topikis the FAT driver nano-2g specific or is it just luck it doesn't happen on other targets?
11:41:40TheSevenit's the bigger sector size on nano2g that makes the generic fat driver use more stack
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12:25:12kugelsalty-horse: maybe the string isn't nul-terminated?
12:26:48salty-horseit is (the last string section.. "of\0" in the generated lang_core.c), but strcmp checks a bit beyond it beyond it since it looks at words
12:27:14gevaertssalty-horse: does this actually matter?
12:27:32salty-horsenot really. the function is still correct
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12:53:12UnhelpfulTomis: some color fringe is unavoidable, because the image is using the components that make up each pixel directly, instead of grey pixels. but, on an LCD display, one of the four text samples should look less colorful than the others
12:54:56kuddel_hello everybody,
12:54:56kuddel_can anyone of you tell me if there's the possibility to sync my iaudio X5 with iTunes like an iPod? I'm experiencing with tools like itunemywalkman but the don't really feel natural in iTunes on a Mac. Any hints are appreciated :)
12:55:38TorneWuffThere is an experimental patch to make other players pretend to be iPods, yes
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12:56:08Tornehttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10023?string=itunes&project=1&type[0]=4&sev[0]=&pri[0]=&due[0]=&reported[0]=&cat[0]=&status[0]=open&percent[0]=&opened=&dev=&closed=&duedatefrom=&duedateto=&changedfrom=&changedto=&openedfrom=&openedto=&closedfrom=&closedto=
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12:56:32TorneHm, actually that's specific to e200 SD
12:56:34ED-209hello
12:56:43Tornebut the principle applies :)
12:56:54ED-209first I'd like to say thanks for an AWESOME firmware/OS
12:57:32ED-209second I'd like to report some h300 bugs which hopefully one of you can put on the bug tracker?
12:57:54ED-209I don't want to log in
12:58:01ED-209or register
12:58:57ED-209the first is that with the wired remote, you cannot turn the player on. it says the hold switch is engaged (regardless of whether the switch is engaged or not) and refuses to turn on via the remote.
12:59:16TorneEr, please report bugs in the tracker :)
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12:59:23toresbeHello :)
12:59:26kuddel_@Torne: cool, i'm gonna try this and report some feedback in the next days :)
12:59:52ED-209I don't want to register my info, I was hoping someone already registered could report these bugs
12:59:58ED-209they are universal to all h300 users
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13:00:01toresbeI've got one of those 3G iPod Nanos. I gather that there's no running support and no current efforts to set that up, either
13:00:21TorneED-209: there's no point someone who can't reproduce a bug reporting it
13:00:27BagderED-209: so what about follow-up questions? testing patches? helping out?
13:00:29Tornetoresbe: Not yet, no.
13:00:41toresbeWhat would be the outstanding challenges in terms of porting it to the 3G?
13:00:55ED-209badger: I'm not a coder, I can't fix any of these bugs and I have no idea what I'm doing with linux
13:01:02Tornekuddel_: you realise you will need to do some reasonable amount of development to make that work on your player
13:01:10Bagderand I'm not badger...
13:01:45Tornekuddel_: not a huge amount, but still. you will need to be able to do more than just apply patches and build; the patch only changes the behaviour for e200, not iaudiox5
13:03:54TorneED-209: the point is that if you want the bug fixed you should be prepared to answer questions from the developers about it, test possible fixes, etc, which means we need to be able to contact you
13:04:15ED-209ok where do I sign up
13:04:19TorneED-209: the bugtracker is not just for developers to use
13:04:37Torne"Register", right next to the login box?
13:05:13ED-209that window took me to this chat room
13:05:17ED-209I guess I'll go back to it
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13:05:54Tornehow do you end up on our cgi:irc when you mean "register on flyspray?"
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13:09:50kugelUnhelpful: the first one looks best on my computer display
13:09:53kuddel_@Torne: oh, okay, I didn't imediatly reallyze that by reading quickly - Are there any other recommendations for people like me who are not familiar with code development?
13:10:51amiconnTorne: Pretending to be an ipod is only possible on software usb targets though
13:12:01Tornekuddel_: No, that patch is all that's been done.
13:12:23Torneis the X5 swusb?
13:12:28amiconnno
13:12:37kuddel_@amiconn: what does this mean?
13:12:47kuddel_okay, i see
13:13:28Torneah.
13:14:55Tornekuddel_: then no. there are various programs around which can sync itunes libraries onto non-ipods, though, but I've not really used them, so dunno.
13:15:04Tornegoogle :)
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13:19:25kuddel_yes, I googled for such tools but on a mac there are only some unsatisfying tools available who only hard copy complete lists and don't really sync lists etc.
13:19:25kuddel_Thanks for your quick responses and plz go on with this great development on rockbox, i really like it and many friends of me too now. Bye :)
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13:19:51ED-209Hi, I added two bugs which I think are quite major for the H300 series
13:20:30ED-209it said it helps if you talk about them in the channel
13:20:37ED-209should I link them?
13:20:50Tornewe can find them
13:21:11ED-209one is the wired remote not being able to switch on the player
13:21:29ED-209but the major one is the plugin "metronome" being totally non functional. and it also jams the player
13:22:58ED-209I've found that the h300 series is quite popular with musicians or DJs, with the inbuilt line in/out and recording capabilities... the pitch detector was an awesome inclusion, but the metronome is just as important, especially for drummers (there are some dj applictions for this too)
13:23:46ED-209is there anyone working on the h300?
13:24:40ED-209I mean there must be a relatively large community, these players are 6 years old and are selling for 300USD on ebay, routinely
13:24:58ED-209even broken ones sell for a couple hundred
13:25:43ED-209the demand for them is certainly out there and rockbox is makes these into a fantastic unit, but the metronome is a really important feature I find
13:26:08TorneMetronome bug is already on FS, you know
13:26:12TorneFS #10546
13:26:21ED-209it was under h100 series
13:26:26ED-209a different player
13:26:35Torneso?
13:26:39Tornethose players are very similar
13:26:48Torneand someone already commented there saying it doesn't work on 320 either
13:27:08ED-209more exposure can't hurt in the fixing of this bug can it?
13:27:36TorneEr, duplicate bugs do hurt, yes, they're a waste of people's time :)
13:27:56ED-209it's not a duplicate bug, I put it under the h300 series
13:28:00Torneit's much more useful if everyone experiencing the same problem is actually on the same page, so someone fixing it doesn't have to repeat themselves
13:28:03ED-209the previous bug was for an h100
13:28:21TorneThat doesn't matter..
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13:28:29TorneIt's extremely likely ot be the same issue.
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13:28:45TorneThere is also another bug with the metronome on a different player which is a keymapping problem. it's possible this is also a keymapping problem.
13:28:54Bob_Chow would a user know that?
13:28:59ED-209ok, well you said to register and report the bugs, so I did, how was I to know that the h100 and h300 are similair
13:29:28TorneED-209: I didn't say you were
13:29:36Tornebut you seem to be objecting to my claim that it's a duplicate..
13:29:43TorneI suggest you watch 10546 instead
13:29:56Torne(or as well)
13:30:34ED-209well, it's under h100 series, and absolutely nothing has happened with that bug report except another user commenting
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13:30:55TorneThe fact that an existing bug hasn't been fixed doesn't mean that having a new one will make any difference..
13:31:01ermalany port to action chips ?
13:31:11Torneermal: ports are listed on rockbox.org, if it's not there then no.
13:32:24ermalit doesn say about cpu
13:32:55Torneoh, you mean a particular SoC?
13:33:07Torne(why do you ask?)
13:33:23ermalcpu is "action"
13:33:45ermalif yes I will buy an mp4 with action cpu
13:33:54ermalto test it
13:34:09ED-209is there anything I can do to help with these bugs?
13:35:13TorneED-209: If you can't fix the code yourself, then probably not until someone with the right player suggests something to try or proposes a possible fix.
13:35:42ED-209I'll get an email if the bug is commented on by someone won't I?
13:35:45Torneyes.
13:35:55Torneyou should watch 10546 to make the same happen for that.
13:36:15ED-209ok then.
13:36:16Tornemy housemate has an h120, if the bug is reproducable on his player I may have a look
13:36:38Torneand if i can fix it then you can test it on h300 :)
13:36:48Tornebut i can't guarantee anything
13:36:59ED-209the metronome? I should have opened this irc web client in a different tab
13:37:36gevaertsED-209: this is with 3.4?
13:37:51ED-209it's with whatever the last release is
13:38:18ED-209the only one that I've used ROLO to put on my h300
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13:38:57ED-209previously I was just patching/unzipping
13:40:06ED-209the thing that makes me sad is that I've used this unit for years, it's on it's 3rd battery at least, and 3rd or 4th hard drive
13:40:18gevaertsOK. Could you try with the latest current build? There have been some issues with button maps on h300 that have been fixed since them. I suspect that they could possibly be related
13:40:38ED-209I just unzip the current build onto my unit?
13:40:57gevaertsyes
13:41:03ED-209I'll do that now
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13:45:00ED-209there is another problem too, when I plug the unit in via USB, the battery meter drops to zero and it starts charging from there
13:45:19ED-209or it drops significantly and starts charging from that point
13:46:07TorneThat's probably not a bug
13:46:19ED-209it's a brand new battery.
13:46:22Tornebattery voltage readings are just like that, especially on batteries that are getting on a bit
13:46:27ED-209cameron sino
13:46:38Tornethe voltage reading depends on the load
13:46:47Tornewhich changes depending if you have an external power source attached or not.
13:46:52ED-209when fully charged it routinely says there is 27h 30m left of runtime
13:47:22ED-209should I plug the wall adapter in?
13:47:28ED-209and see if it changes?
13:47:28*Torne doesn't know what runtime the h300 is supposed to have
13:48:04ED-209it's safe to plug the wall adapter in while it's hooked up via USB isn't it?
13:48:58ED-209or no?
13:49:01kuddel_hey, me again. Just want you to know, if anybody else has my problem (sync iTunes w/ non iPod): there are 3 tools available for macs to sync tracks from iTunes onto a non iPod-Player: iTunemyWalkman (hard cpies selected playlists to a specified destination on any mountable device), SyncTunes (development ended in a buggy state but has many recommendations for older versions in forums etc.) and Podless, a littls iTunes Plugin that does nearly
13:49:02kuddel_same like the first but isn't as configurable. So, if anyone else asks you, you know ;)
13:49:54Tornekuddel_: If you try one out and find it works well for rockbox, please mention it on http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/UsefulTools so other people can find it there?
13:50:17peturbatteries go old, even if not used. If you don't know the manufacturing date, you can't say the battery is brand new. Certainly for a target like h300 that is several years old, the new batteries could already be 2+ years old...
13:50:26TorneMore useful than kjust telling us :)
13:50:30kuddel_@Torne will be done in some days :)
13:50:52Torneyah, no hurry or anything, just if you find a tool that works well it's good to share it there, as that's where we tend to direct people asking for such tools :)
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13:51:27kuddel_okay. Bye
13:51:30TorneED-209: I would really hope so, but i've not used one ;)
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13:53:05ED-209I bought it from ebay, the seller said it was brand new, it came with a recent manufacturing date and it's performed like a new one
13:53:49ED-209and besides I had to dremel out the back of my iriver to accomodate a 2200mAh battery
13:54:08TorneED-209: *some* amount of variance in battery voltage is expected, is my point; even if it's a new battery then there's no guarantee it won't jump some when you switch from discharging to charging.
13:54:13ED-209and the polarity had to be changed
13:54:30peturha! you bought an ipod battery, not h300!
13:54:56peturmy CameronSino h300 battery (also 2200mAh) fitted fine and no polarity change
13:55:14ED-209hang on
13:55:27Torneit doesn't seem likely to be a bug, is all; it's *possible*, but reading the battery voltage is probably pretty simple code and if it was wrong someone would likely've noticed. ;)
13:55:40ED-209actually this new one was for an h300
13:56:01ED-209it was very slightly smaller than the ipod battery I had in it before
13:56:28Torneif it was for the h300 it wouldn't have its polarity backwards... :)
13:56:52ED-209it didn't, I checked, I was thinking of the other one
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14:21:07Bagderhttp://www.slideshare.net/fscons2009/rockbox-at-fscons-2009-2518734
14:22:26ED-209hey who said to try the current build?
14:22:35ED-209the metronome still doesn't work
14:22:47ED-209h300 metronome bug, current build, still present
14:22:56ED-209I'm going back to 3.4
14:23:14ED-209wait unless there is anything extra in the current build
14:23:26*Bagder sits silent and watches
14:23:40ED-209is there anything extra in the current build?
14:24:06ED-209should I keep it over 3.4?
14:24:51gevaertsED-209: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/MajorChanges will tell you. There have been changes, but I don't know if you're interested in them
14:24:55gevaertsThanks for testing
14:26:04ED-209ait that says SVN
14:26:13ED-209is SVN the same as a current build?
14:26:37TorneYes, "current" refers to the current SVN revision
14:27:37ED-209by the way, when I plug the wall adapter in, the voltage meter drops right down again, and starts charging from a much lower point. how can this be. running off the battery it shows 76% or so, then I plug the wall adapter in (which is 5v 2A) and it drops down to a tiny sliver of a bar and starts charging from there
14:27:54ED-209how can there be a voltage drop when I've plugged a 5v 2AMP adapter in for it to charge with
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15:22:36marek_hi http://pastebin.com/m21da0ed can you take a look? i tried to use bootloader to instal rockbox on my gigabeat S player
15:29:02AlexPrunning it as root?
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15:38:09marek_AlexP not,
15:38:14marek_but i dealed with it
15:38:21marek_in fact it was automounted
15:38:27marek_and after unmounting it worked
15:38:32marek_now i am very happy
15:38:41marek_finally i have rockbox on my Toshiba S :)
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15:52:08ED-209any h300 users/developers here at the moment?
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16:07:58AlexPED-209: Most issues affect most devices, if you have a question just ask it
16:13:03TorneED-209: You don't need to keep repeating it every hour, you know
16:13:45ED-209because you're here all the time?
16:14:26Tornebecause we have a bugtracker, and people who are likely to fix bugs read it?
16:14:56Tornefor the metronome one at least i have confirmed the behaviour is identical on current h120 builds and will take a look later.
16:15:09ED-209the battery meter and "estimated run time" don't seem to correlate
16:15:27TorneOne is calculated frm the other
16:15:31CIA-80New commit by 03teru (r23655): jpeg/png: refactor use of buf.
16:15:37Torneso that seems unlikely
16:15:49ED-209well
16:15:51Tornewe work out battery percentage by consulting a discharge curve and comparing it to the voltage.
16:16:19Torneand then we use the percentage, the design capacity in mAh, and the estimated average current draw, to work out the runtime estimate
16:16:26ED-209when running the unit for say, 10 minutes, and the percentage drops maybe 2%
16:16:54Torneif the percentage goes down by 2% the estimate should go down by 2%
16:17:09ED-209it doesn't
16:17:47Tornewhat *does* it do?
16:18:28ED-209well there was a drop in estimated remaining runtime of a lot
16:18:48TorneBut was that 2%?
16:19:02TorneThe estimation process is not very bright, as described above.
16:19:02ED-209it wasn't 2% of what it said by any means
16:19:50ED-209now I've installed the current build, the total estimated time on a full charge is 25 hours instead of 27.5
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16:20:16saratogamy clip played all night
16:21:29TorneYes, the estimate may not be *accurate*
16:21:37Tornebut it should behave consistently with the percentage, is what I'm saying
16:21:52Tornethe estimat ei sbased on our hardcoded choice of what the "normal" current draw of the device is
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16:21:55Tornenot actual measurements
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16:22:59TorneIf your estimate is not changing in sync with the percentage something odd is going on :)
16:23:11Tornebut if it's just being inaccurate, there are a large number of possible reasons.
16:23:51TorneThe estimate will change when things like usb being plugged/unplugged happen, also
16:24:08Tornethe current draw estimate is based on which hardware is active.
16:24:43ED-209is there a warm up period for lipo batteries?
16:25:08Torneno.
16:25:38Tornevoltage varies with charge level, according to a predictable curve, and also according to load (in a less predictable way)
16:25:50Torne(well, less predictbale because we don't know the load)
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16:26:34ED-209so you switch the unit on and it'll drain the battery exactly the same as if it were running for 4 hours? that curve doesn't change from "cold" starts so to speak?
16:26:44Torneno.
16:26:54Tornelipoly is nice and predictable when new
16:27:15Torneit gets worse the older it is, because the internal resistance changes and the voltage starts to become more and more dependent on the load
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16:43:34kugelsaratoga: what patch?
16:44:50saratogakugel: latest in the clip playback task
16:44:56saratogahttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10605
16:45:16saratogabeen running this on both the clip and e200v1 without any instability for 15 hours
16:45:33saratogaif i get to 24 hours lets make the clip supported ;)
16:45:51*AlexP predicts 23 hours 59 minutes :)
16:46:47salty-horsesaratoga, how long does the e200 last?
16:47:01saratogayou mean battery life?
16:47:05salty-horseyes
16:47:07AlexPsalty-horse: The point here is that it crashes, not the battery life
16:47:13saratogai'm running off external power
16:47:17salty-horseoh
16:47:25salty-horseit's good that it doesn't crash, then :)
16:47:33saratogabut probably 24 hours with a new battery, and maybe 15 with my badly worn one
16:47:58saratogai should probably buy a new battery and do a battery test on the e200v1
16:49:34ED-209I should have reset my total runtime when I installed this new battery
16:50:14ED-209hwo do you do that by the way?
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16:50:56ED-209it's been 260 hours since my last hard drive smashed....
16:51:06ED-209(of runtime)
16:51:34AlexPED-209: We don't need to know, this is a development and support channel
16:52:08ED-209ok can you answer my question then please? how do you reset the total runtime?
16:52:23saratogaprobably just delete your .rockbox folder and unzip another one
16:52:33saratogamaybe keep you config file if you don't want to lose your settings
16:53:57Lloreansaratoga: Would that be something kept in nvram.bin?
16:54:13ED-209the config file will have all my settings but not the runtime? I've changed a LOT of settings that I won't remember how to put back to the way they were, and will probably have to ask in here hwo to change them all back
16:54:33LloreanED-209: Why would you need to ask in here how to change settings? They're all in the manual and the menus.
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16:56:49AlexPED-209: Why not look in the config file?
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16:58:06ED-209at the time I couldn't find exactly what I wanted in the manual, this was about 2 years ago, aside from the obvious ones. I guess I'll re-read it if necessary but I'd like to keep my settings. I will look in the cfg file now and see if it's stuff I understand
16:58:06markunLlorean, AlexP: why give a suggestion in the form of a question?
16:58:45ED-209^ haha
16:58:53AlexPmarkun: To see if he has any reason not to?
16:59:00markunok?
16:59:03AlexPyes?
16:59:18Lloreanmarkun: I wasn't giving a suggestion. I assumed ED-209 is intelligent enough to be able to navigate the menus and read the manual, so was wondering what must be lacking that would necessitate questions here.
16:59:33Lloreanmarkun: Pardon me for making it unclear and sounding like I was assuming he was too stupid to know about the manual.
16:59:52markunpardon granted
16:59:57AlexPvery gracious
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17:01:18ED-209also I'm wondering if there is a patch available that will "stream" whatever is plugged into the line in through the headphones at all times (so I can plug my phone into the line in socket, and answer calls that way, and record if necessary)
17:02:01AlexPIf you have it in the recording screen I think it already does that
17:02:24AlexPBut that doesn't work with music
17:02:40ED-209yeah I mean at all times
17:02:53AlexPThere is nothing like that to my knowledge
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17:09:11Strife89If such a feature could be implemented, it would likely eat your battery.
17:12:36ED-209not amplified, just like a shortcut of some kind. the phone already has amplified headphones, it would just need to feed into the headphone out
17:14:27ED-209actually thinking about it a hardware solution would be more appropriate
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17:23:57Strife89ED-209: Enter #rockbox-community for a minute, please.
17:24:31ED-209 how, this is a web client from the rockbox site
17:33:45ED-209with the h300 and some other units, is there support planned for the USB host?
17:34:16AlexPnot really
17:34:27AlexPIf someone wants to do it then they are welcome to
17:34:50AlexPBut as this is a volunteer effort people work on what they want to, and nobody has shown any interest in that
17:35:43saratogais the h300 even capable of USB host?
17:36:11AlexPYeah, not sure if both, or if just one of EU/US
17:36:34ED-209yeah it is, I wouldn't ask if it wasn't.
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17:39:07hillshumED-209: /join #rockbox-community
17:41:54Strife89hillshum: He did. :)
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17:45:00Jaykaycan someone explain me the small random differences in the bin/ram size delta table?
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18:18:41Jaykaynobody?
18:20:08evilnick_BJaykay: If it's very small changes then it could be to do with the distributed build system
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18:20:30Jaykayyes, 22b or so...
18:20:46Jaykaybut why? different preferences on the clients or what?
18:21:51mc2739it could be different compiler versions
18:22:21mc2739it could also be code alignment
18:22:52evilnick_BAnd also different OSes
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18:29:02hillshumBecause the native compiler that builds the crosscompiler varies between systems
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18:33:45Jaykaybut it doesnt matter (affect performance etc.)?
18:35:36TorneIt might affect anything :)
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18:35:49Tornebut it's unlikely to make any difference you'll notice
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18:39:22Jaykayok, thanks :)
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19:16:56B4gderhttp://twitter.com/stomachion/status/5801640627 ...
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19:20:29salty-horseB4gder, are you replying?
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19:20:50AlexPsalty-horse: No point, people are welcome to be wrong if they want :)
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19:21:27B4gderno I won't respond to that, I wouldn't know where to start
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19:24:23saratoga4G Color
19:24:25pixelma4th gen Ipod
19:24:42pixelmawith colour screen
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19:25:14saratogaanyone else feel like testing the latest clip patch
19:25:16saratoga?
19:25:32saratogaI'm quickly coming up on 24 hours without a crash, I'd love to know its not just a fluke of my clip
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19:26:07AlexPcan do
19:26:13AlexPwhere is it at?
19:26:32pixelmasaratoga: does it still need testing on some other targets?
19:26:50pixelmaI mean that it doesn't break existing ports
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19:30:43Lloreansaratoga: Can't effectively test today, but if you still need another tester tomorrow after we've got AlexP's results, poke me and I'll give it a go too.
19:31:40saratogapixelma: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10605
19:31:45saratogayeah it could use testsing on everything
19:31:50saratogait changes buffering and playback
19:31:54saratogathere could be side effects
19:32:21saratogabuffering_playback_v1.patch is the one to test
19:32:29mc2739maybe domonoky can test on the m200v4 also
19:33:06saratogai think the important thing is to test on the clip, a flash target, a HD target and a HWCODEC target just to make sure nothing else changes
19:33:34pixelmasaratoga: has it been tested on HD targets yet?
19:33:39saratogai don't think so
19:35:37pixelmado you really mean the *_v1.patch, not v2?
19:35:55Jaykay...is a e200v1 needed?
19:36:20Jaykayah, apparently not :)
19:36:32Jaykay( i just read the last comment in FS)
19:36:38AlexPJaykay: I think saratoga has done that, but it can't hurt - you never know what odd combinations of things might unearth something
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19:37:34saratogapixelma: the v2 test includes a minor optimization, you can test it too, but I was waiting for matsch to look at it and tell me its ok
19:37:52saratogaunless i completely misunderstood what he was doing it should be the same as the v1 patch
19:41:45AlexPHow do I charge without rebooting on the clip?
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19:44:55gevaertsJdGordon|: is it possible that the wps code has redraw issues if you use conditional tags that specify differently sized viewports to be shown (%Vdx) for different cases? More precisely, it seems that the now no longer used screen bits do not get cleared
19:47:59pixelmagevaerts: my WPS use different sized viewports in some cases but I always fill the screen complety (with another viewport). That works well but I think I saw problems during "development" when spots where empty, but it's quite some time ago and I seem to remember that I somehow expected that due to an info given. Can't remember the details though
19:48:32gevaertspixelma: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=23142.0 is the one I'm looking at
19:48:45darkhamhi people, i would know about assistive technology on rockbox
19:48:47pixelmasaw that too
19:51:23Lloreandarkham: All that's really offered is voicing of various screens.
19:52:03AlexPThe clip "don't do USB, charge" button is hold select - on (virtually?) all other players it is menu (and quickscreen). Any reason for this difference? I'd like it to be changed to be consistent
19:52:15darkhamLlorean, when user scrool menus, a voice talk the scroll?
19:52:55Lloreandarkham: I have no idea what you mean by "talk the scroll." A voice will read the names of menu entries if that's enabled, yes.
19:52:58AlexPdarkham: Talks the scroll? As in, says "Now scrolling down"?
19:53:04JdGordon|gevaerts: sure its possible :) I cant remember if viewports which are being disabled get cleared or not
19:53:38gevaertsJdGordon|: well this user is complaining that bits of the AA gets clipped off :)
19:53:46pixelmaAlexP: on the Sansas it's all Select - and thinking of the c200, "menu" is on the Power button, so holding that might not be such a great idea
19:54:04AlexPhuh, OK
19:54:13AlexPshows how often I use any of the Sansas
19:55:08LloreanAlexP: It might make sense to fix it on the Clip though, since the menu button isn't the power button.
19:55:13domonokydarkham: rockbox can speak-out to you menus and files/folder on your mp3player, if it is setup correctly.
19:56:58darkhamLlorean, AlexP sorry , i go wrong with english, i mean if a voice says, when user scroll the menu, "Files" or "Plugins" when users stop scrolling on it
19:57:14AlexPdarkham: yes
19:57:41AlexPIf you install the voice files that is
19:57:57darkhamAlexP, i can find .voice files?
19:58:15AlexPI think we supply English ones
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19:58:36AlexPdarkham: One moment, I'll check
19:59:25AlexPdarkham: Yes, English are provided, or I think rbutil will install them for you
19:59:43AlexPdarkham: For other languages, I think you need to generate them
19:59:53darkhamyes i understand
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20:00:30AlexPdarkham: Rbutil will help you to generate your own ones too (if you have a text to speech engine installed)
20:01:38JdGordon|gevaerts: why is he setting up viewports to overlap the AA anyway?
20:02:00gevaertsJdGordon|: advanced UI stuff. Some sort of option button popup
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20:02:36JdGordon|oh the one in the forums? I havnt had much of a chance to look at it
20:03:13darkhami don't need it for now, but i worked on a blind union, and i think that will interesting
20:03:35JdGordon|nice screenshots!
20:04:56JdGordon|gevaerts: he wants the AA behind the popup thing?
20:05:05gevaertsyes
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20:10:41CIA-80New commit by 03pixelma (r23656): Classic_statusbar.sbs images: make them proper 1-bit bitmaps, so that they work as expected with foreground and background colour and backdrops. I'd ...
20:14:03JdGordon|pixelma: thanks
20:15:07JdGordon|now just need to fix one annoying bug and the old bar can finally die!!
20:15:32JdGordon|can anyone else not read .wps files at all?
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20:16:34pixelmaI'd like to see the hwcodec recording quality thing fixed, and I noticed an inconsistency with the remote sbs handling for packaging (and it doesn't seem to pack .rsbs files)
20:18:05JdGordon|" hwcodec recording quality thing fixed" ?
20:18:47*gevaerts gets a suspicion
20:19:36pixelmathere are no rwps files in the source tree, the script automatically grabs wps files with the correct size specified for the remote and only makes them an rwps during packaging, that seems to be different for sbs (an rsbs file exists so there is already a difference - and it doesn't make it into the zip as it seems)
20:20:12pixelmaJdGordon|: well currently the classic_statusbar won't work completely in the hwcodec recording screen
20:20:21*domonoky wonders what checkwps and the theme site does with the new .sbs files..
20:20:45gevaertsHow do you make a wps eat a new line again? # at the end?
20:20:57JdGordon|yeah
20:21:01pixelmabecause instead of the bitrate, it should show the quality setting
20:21:04JdGordon|bug... fearture...
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20:21:27JdGordon|pixelma: is hwcodec bitrate working? its very likely its not yet
20:22:21pixelmahuh? As I said, there is no bitrate setting - there is a quality setting. The MAS records vbr files and you can adjust the average with that
20:22:49JdGordon|so hiow is it supposed to work?
20:23:07*gevaerts manages to get that wps to work
20:23:14JdGordon|good one!
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20:23:52gevaertswell, mostly :)
20:23:59pixelmaJdGordon|: thought you could tell me as you introduced new recording screen tags...
20:24:38JdGordon|what do you want it to display?
20:24:45pixelmacurrently you could achieve that with %St I guess and a different classic_statusbar.sbs for hwcodec then
20:25:12JdGordon|have I not added the hwcodec sbs yet?
20:25:34pixelmait shows a small "Q1" etc. instead of the bitrate icons
20:26:08pixelmaI only saw one sbs file (and an rsbs one)
20:26:17JdGordon|ok, thats just a matter of adding some %Xd<strip><number> tags
20:27:02JdGordon|ok, i havnt added it yet
20:28:02CIA-80New commit by 03jdgordon (r23657): initial hwcodec/112x64x1 sbs
20:28:09JdGordon|there you go
20:29:55pixelmadoes your "Rb" tag deal with this correctly?
20:30:34pixelmaseems you make it display a real "Q" and then %Rb
20:31:25JdGordon|you'd have to look at the source... I coudlnt tell you off the top of my head, but yeah it does set the tag value to the bitrate so you can do images with it fine
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20:33:04pixelmathere are no bitrates, %Rb would need to return "0" or "1" - up to 7... besides a real Q and number probably won't fit.
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20:35:13JdGordon|there is a rough mapping from Q to bitrate isnt there?
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20:35:50JdGordon|I'm pretty sure I took whatever logic the old bar used and but that into the tag's logic...
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20:38:41JdGordon|but you;d have to look at the bottom of skin_token.c to be 100% sure what its actually doing... and I'm at work so cant help
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20:40:18Paleskinafter upgraded the rockbox fuze, all my kanji title songs, didn't show up on database
20:40:26Paleskinis this a known bug ?
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20:44:26gevaertsJdGordon|: the reported issue had nothing at all to do with clearing or redrawing issues. The WPS asked to print "-\n" :)
20:45:22JdGordon|oh bloody hell
20:45:23JdGordon|:p
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20:49:18pixelmaJdGordon|: ok, it returns the numbers (tested quickly with a test.sbs on the device). By the way - should .sbs files outside the .rockbox/wps folder work? Because loading the same one when it was located in the root lead to no statusbar at all, it worked after moving it into this folder
20:49:52JdGordon|its the same as .wps outside the folder
20:49:58JdGordon|they work untill being rebooted
20:50:16pixelmathen that seems to be broken
20:50:30JdGordon|any images it cant find?
20:51:01Blue_Dudesaratoga: I'll give FS #10605 a test run on my e200 for a while. A quick suggestion re: the line in playback that was moved. It would probably be cleaner to move the line to audio_finish_load_track itself rather than the audio thread.
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20:51:57pixelmano, it just contains a viewport definition for the statusbar (to get a system font one), a %Rb inside that and a %Vi for the rest of the screen to get the user font there
20:53:21*pixelma also wonders whether someone read the remote statusbar question from today in the morning (CET)
20:53:23*JdGordon| suspects onplay.c handling is broken
20:53:41JdGordon|if that someone is supposed to be me then no :)
20:54:06pixelmayou or kugel
20:54:21JdGordon|link or reask?
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20:55:19pixelmaloaded a custom sbs in an H300 sim for the main screen and it made the statusbar in the remote screen vanish, any reason for that?
20:55:38JdGordon|I belive thats a known bug...
20:55:57JdGordon|kkurbjun : has a FS task open with 3 or 4 sbs/wps type bugs
20:56:38*gevaerts doesn't like those multi-bug tasks
20:57:05pixelmahmm, I thought there were some fixes (but maybe not all)
20:57:33JdGordon|that bug probably wont be fixed
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20:57:46JdGordon|it will simply vanish once the pold bar is eliminated
20:58:19pixelmaif it doesn't also make any custom rsbs vanish
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20:58:26JdGordon|it wont
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21:24:50shotofaddsIf I wanted to add an indication of the touchscreen mode to the status bar, how would I do that? Presumably this needs to touchscreen variant of classic_statusbar.sbs to avoid breaking other targets?
21:24:55*shotofadds gets scared off
21:25:07shotofaddss/to/a
21:26:20JdGordon|add a new token to the enum, and the table at the top of skin_parser.c, then in skin_tokens.c make it return NULL on non touch targets
21:26:29pixelmathen it's not the classic statusbar anymore, no?
21:26:38JdGordon|no :)
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21:27:21pixelmacouldn't you just use the %St tag for that?
21:27:49JdGordon|no, some screens force one mode
21:28:14pixelmaok
21:28:15shotofaddsyes, the setting differs from the current mode sometimes :/
21:28:50*JdGordon| should right up a quick wiki page on how to add tokens
21:28:52shotofaddsthis gets back to the discussion about how to deal with touchscreen variants of .wps's again. Really unsure about that.
21:29:13JdGordon|which problem in particular?
21:29:38shotofaddshow to pick up a touchscreen variant of a wps/sbs in preference to the generic version
21:29:43shotofaddsin wpsbuild
21:30:01shotofaddsiirc you were against adding an extra .touch or something to the filena,e
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21:32:25sacarascDoes Rockbox have an audio book mode?
21:32:38JdGordon|I'm not against it.. I just think that doesnt make things easier
21:34:07JdGordon|sacarasc: depends what your definition of audio book mode is
21:35:08shotofaddsJdGordon: right now it makes it easier for me, but I can see why it doesn't help in the long run...
21:36:24JdGordon|<theme name>[.<width>.<height>[.<depth]][.hwcodec][.swcodec][.fm][.touch][.<target name>].wps
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21:36:28JdGordon|nice and complicated :)
21:36:34JdGordon|surely there is a better way to do it?
21:36:57JdGordon|like using features.txt and a similar thing to the lang files
21:38:25shotofaddsI'm sure you're right ;-)
21:38:28JdGordon|actually, we should say bugger it and only ship cabbie for all targets, and a dead simple theme which doesnt need a different vairent for each
21:38:35JdGordon|everything else should come from the themes site
21:39:13gevaertsthen the theme site needs this logic
21:39:31gevaertsbut that one needs it anyway I guess
21:40:55JdGordon|well, it would almost be the same logic
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22:13:49saratogaBlue_Dude: tell matsch, its his idea, i'm just testing it
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22:22:14seaniB4dger: couldn't resist gently responding to @stomachion. I suspect it will make no difference, but still...
22:24:40B4gder:-)
22:25:18kugelsaratoga: the code already contains a comment that is likely to be our problem?
22:25:20shotofaddsJdGordon|: why are some tokens #ifdef'd completely, but some just return NULL?
22:26:15JdGordon|if there is a reason it sholdnt be in the build at all it gets ifdefed :)
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22:26:47JdGordon|if it would be useful or not really change anything on targets where its not used it should stay in so themes can be shared
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22:27:46shotofaddseg. the touchscreen tokens, is it intentional that they exist for all builds?
22:28:28shotofaddsif that were the case, I shouldn't need a touchscreen variant of the .wps/.sbs at all
22:29:11JdGordon|you would anyway, because I could imagine alot of extra stuff in a touch variant
22:29:21JdGordon|but no, there is no real reason they cant be in all builds
22:29:58shotofaddsso there wouldn't be a problem adding a 'touch mode' icon to classic_statusbar?
22:30:09shotofaddssince it would be ignored anyway
22:30:39shotofadds(i'm assuming here that classic_statusbar would be the default - such an icon definitely needs to be in the default)
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23:10:25CIA-80New commit by 03torne (r23658): Fix FS #10546 - metronome doesn't work on h1xx/h3xx. ...
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23:11:23TorneDoes anyone have an ondio?
23:11:46Tornei think the metronome bug I just fixed in r23658 applies to ondio too, and i made the same fix, but can't test it ;)
23:12:08LambdaCalculus37Torne: pixelma has an Ondio.
23:13:17Tornebuild expected to complete in 62m?
23:13:18Tornewhat?
23:13:40gevaertsyour clock is wrong
23:13:54Torneno it isn't
23:14:02Tornewait yes it is
23:14:07Tornehow did that happen.
23:14:16*gevaerts is psychic
23:14:20Tornei have NTP on
23:14:21*B4gder whistles
23:14:35gevaertswrong timezone setting?
23:14:48Tornenope, forcing it to resync just fixed the clock.
23:15:04TorneOh, right. I expect both copies of windows changed the timezone.
23:15:19Torneanyway, if someone can try that on ondio that'd be good
23:15:24Torneit works on h120
23:15:33Torneand presumably on h300 as the keys are identical
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23:23:20JdGordon|shotofadds: it might not be the default on all targets, but putting that icon in is no problem
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23:28:07Blue_Dudesaratoga: On second thought, I'm not sure it belongs in the function. His code move apparently got the correct result, but from his comments it appears he's not 100% sure why. It probably belongs somewhere else.
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23:33:03pixelmaTorne: metronome has button mapping problems since changing it to use pluginlib actions (and a more complicated tap and play handling) on the Ondio and the Player and c200. I don't think these small fixes help any (or fix one and introduce another bug with other actions or on other targets). You can test many of these mappings in a sim except some hardware specific limits like for X5 and M5 where button combos are electrically not possible
23:33:41Tornepixelma: The changes are specific to h1xx/3xx and ondio
23:33:48Torneso they can't break any other target
23:34:11Torneit's just fixing the mapping table used for those targets' special mappings so they pass onto the right context
23:34:23pixelmaI don't think it'll make it work completely though
23:34:28Torneit does on h120/h300
23:34:36Torneand i can't see it making ondio worse
23:35:38Tornei dont' ahve anything set up to build sims (though i clearly should)
23:36:06Torneif you wanna fix it more then, er, go ahead :)
23:36:33Torneit was a trivial change, i'm not looking to rework it
23:36:33pixelmamaybe it doen't make it worse but I have doubts you can use the plugin like you used to before pluginlib actions. The Ondio is very short of buttons, the plugin combines different contexts and you get "overlapping"
23:37:06Tornewell maybe, but i didn't do that, and i am not particularly motivated to work out a solution for a player i don't have access to..
23:37:21pixelmaI don't say you need to
23:37:23AlexPIf it is so broken, why not just revert it to before it was changed for actions?
23:37:40kugelpixelma: you could test if the latest pla rework patch makes it any better (I hope it's in sync stiill)
23:40:24pixelmaTorne: just that I doubt it'll make metronome work completely (and maybe I can't test if your change does anything at all in case some other button/action assignment has priority)
23:41:36Torneright. well, i just fixed the obvious bug :)
23:43:37pixelmaAlexP: I think the problem was that the same commit also introduced a different "UI" a bit like different "screens" for tapping and playing, and some ports didn't exist by then. And there was a different idea for a solution (using actions but per plugin not in a lib, that hasn't happened until now though :\ )
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23:47:56pixelmakugel: will try... oh well...
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23:50:57pixelmaAlexP: I think before you didn't have to press a button for playback - it just always played and you could still adjiust the timing with tapping
23:51:49AlexPOK - I've never used it myself :)
23:53:01pixelmayou need one button/action less which makes it easier on targets without many better but you always had sound. I'm not a 100% sure it was like that but think so currently
23:53:25pixelmas/better/buttons (wonder how that happened)
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