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#rockbox log for 2009-12-08

00:00:39mrtok1i never did a plugin - do i just have to mod this file and add it to sthe sources ?
00:00:44stripwaxThe profiling code will only capture *instrumented* code in that thread. So you need three things - 1. make a Profiling build; 2. instrument the code (i.e. compile with -D$(PROFILE_OPTS) in the build settings for that lib/codec/plugin/etc) and 3. somewhere have a profile_thread that runs in the same thread as the code you want to profile, and runs once early one and a profstop that runs at the end (or some suitable location) later on in
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00:02:21mrtok1to start with the plugin: it should be easier because i can start and stop my plugin from menu?
00:03:20stripwaxI just checked: codec_pcmbuf_insert_callback calls dsp_process. This executes in the same thread as the codec, when you call ci->pcmbuf_insert from codec_main
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00:18:27mrtok1stripwax: thank you very much - i think i have to investigate this topic a bit ;-) br
00:19:25stripwaxmrtok1 - test_codec would probably work as-is for you - it offers the possibility of running with dsp effects turned on. so if you profile_thread / profstop in test_codec itself (e.g. profile_thread at start of the test_codec function called "codec_thread" and profstop at end before the 'codec_playing=false' bit) it might 'just work' −−
00:19:53stripwaxmrtok1 (so long as the code you are actually profiling - some dsp code? - is compiled with -D$(PROFILE_OPTS) .. )
00:22:23mrtok1how do i enable test_codec?
00:23:44stripwaxadd test_codec.c to apps/plugins/SOURCES
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00:29:12mrtok1stripwax: okay - i give it a try - modded SOURCE, test_codec.c as you suggested - and additionally added -D$(PROFILE_OPTS) to plugin.make - where the CFLAGS are mentioned
00:30:41stripwaxI think you will need it (at a minimum) in the codecs.make file , rather than plugin.make (oh, unless codecs.make reuses the cflags from plugin.make - not sure)
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00:33:22stripwaxWhich dsp code in particular are you trying to profile?
00:34:10saratogaif you just want to profile a dsp function, commenting out the actual decoding test_codec and just feeding the dsp code some stored audio data might be easier
00:34:20saratogabut i don't know how much that will actually tell you
00:34:30saratogathe profiler is for finding slow functions
00:35:35mrtok1saratoga: if there would be another way to measure the code it would be great - but i found no way ...
00:35:57saratogawhat do you want to measure exactly?
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00:36:16mrtok1yes - as good as possible
00:36:47mrtok1i thought about highfrequency counter or so?
00:36:54mrtok1using logf
00:40:57mrtok1saratoga: sorry - only saw "exactly" ;-) I wanna measure time spent in my code or how much MIPS I use
00:41:37saratogai don't think the profiler can give you that
00:41:53saratogaif you want to time it, the microsecond timer for your device might be a better choice
00:42:06saratogaor just using test_codec with the DSP enabled and disabled
00:44:49stripwaxright - if you just want to measure the 'real time' impact of enabling the dsp, don't use profiling at all, just run test_codec with and without dsp, and see the resulting decode time and/or MHz reported by test_codec
00:45:10mrtok1saratoga: i thought there would be a cool tool which can disassemble and does the calculation on instruction basis - but I didnt found one
00:45:24saratogathats not possible on this kind of hardware
00:45:40saratogathe profiler is really just a profiler, it tells you what percentage of time is spent in each function
00:46:16mrtok1saratoga: why? - you talk about the cool tool I mentioned?
00:46:28saratogabecause theres no way to get that kind of information
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00:47:46mrtok1but i know how much clocks a specific instruction needs and i know each instruction - so why not?
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00:53:21saratogamrtok1: well you can certainly compute it
00:53:38kugelsaratoga: any interested in updating libfaad?
00:53:45saratogakugel: not really
00:54:00saratogai skimmed the logs and didn't see anything all that appealing done to it
00:54:17kugellibfaad is aac and the like, right?
00:54:23saratogayeah all the aac profiles
00:54:41kugelhow invasive are our changes?
00:54:45saratogaFree AAc Decoder i think
00:54:49saratogaours aren't all that invasive
00:55:10saratogamostly I just cut out the backend of the decoder, the part that handles the inverse transform, windowing, and passes it to rockbox
00:55:14mrtok1saratoga,stripwax: I wonder why there is no such tool ... hower thank you guys - buy!
00:55:26saratogathe front 70% is basically unchanged, and i haven't even looked at SBR
00:55:52saratogamrtok1: well you're welcome to write one, but i think you'll find emulating a complete arm core is not entirely simple
00:56:15saratogaand then all the hardware needed for things like display, etc
00:56:23saratogawe have a partially working one on the tracker somewhere
00:57:02mrtok1;-) good night
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01:02:31stripwaxmrtok1 (if you read the logs) - you could of course just read your disassembler dsp function and see if you can spot any inefficient code, manually ..
01:02:41stripwax^disassembled
01:02:54*stripwax builds libfaad with profiling
01:04:57stripwaxsaratoga - I don't seem to be able to download your file (it wants to open automatically in windows media player). any chance you could put it in a zip archive?
01:05:21saratogastripwax: no wget?
01:05:25stripwaxah, nevermind. download.rockbox.org/test_files link works fine
01:05:42stripwaxlife's too short to wget everything. click, click, click ...
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01:06:36stripwaxI have a hunch the mime type might be messed up though. it really wants to download it and rename it as .mp3 ..
01:07:09saratogause chrome it works great
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01:10:33JdGordon|anyone around that can fix the theme page images?
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01:11:34stripwaxhopefully libfaad doesn't have fast amounts of inline functions - that really makes profile output garbage. I've put a few __attribute__((no_instrument_function)) around the few functions that are defined as inline that I could fine - hopefully nothing hidden away..
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01:14:13saratogaits not well optimized so probably not
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01:16:51stripwaxbizarre. pitch_detector doesn't compile with profiling enables. It barfs on the NO_PROF bit on line 1132. as if NO_PROF is defined empty if profiling disabled; and defined to be something that doesn't compile if profiling enabled
01:17:44stripwaxsaratoga - yeh. hopefully the profile results will make sense. (Remember that time when I was seeing 80% of the vorbis decode time showing up in render_line/render_point, and it turned out to be a red herring due to inlining?)
01:18:30saratogayeah
01:18:36saratogawell we'll see
01:20:06CIA-6New commit by 03mcuelenaere (r23894): Onda VX747(+)/VX777: update battery discharge curve
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01:37:25stripwaxHm. profile build appears to crash out with an undefined instruction shortly after (presumably) hitting the profiling.
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01:53:46stripwaxsaratoga (for the logs) - the illegal instruction address appears to be in iram. so sounds like something really rather messed up somewhere in profile builds.
01:53:51stripwax(so no profiling, for now)
01:55:45stripwaxoh, weird. the address matches the *second* instruction in __cyg_profile_func_enter.
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01:59:26stripwax(which seems to disassemble fine according to objdump, so some memory-blatting going on in iram)
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02:06:26*Unhelpful saw very little marked inline or even static in common.c :/
02:06:53Unhelpfuleven though ones32 and floor_log2 are never called outside of it
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02:16:02stripwaxbooh. so profiling seem borked, at least on ipod video. undefined instruction, as described above, reproducibly. rebuilt from same source as a non-profile build and works fine (though obviously sans profile). can anyone think of something i might have done / not done ?
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03:24:20kkurbjunJdGordon, with the latest SVN I am still getting the blue background in plugins
03:24:28JdGordonok
03:24:41JdGordontrying to figure out why some update code is crashing :(
03:25:23JdGordonsee anything obvious http://pastebin.com/m72e041b9 ?
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03:31:56kkurbjunhmm, not from what I can see
03:32:18JdGordonNOTE: set_viewport out of bounds: x: -1295507920 y: 32561 width: 9775216 height:0
03:32:25JdGordonno idea where thats coming from :(
03:33:09kkurbjunwhere that message is coming from, or where that viewport is coming from?
03:33:31JdGordonthe latter
03:33:40JdGordoni tihnk my problem might be div0 though
03:33:57JdGordonwould width or height ==0 cause problems in the lcd drivers?
03:34:24kkurbjunthe drivers are mostly do while loops
03:34:35Unhelpfulsurely it would be of *some* value to profile on sim... i mean, we'd at least get an idea which codec funcions take most of the time, even if results are skewed a bit...
03:35:07kkurbjunbut they do bounds checking on everything but the viewport
03:35:51kkurbjunjdgordon, which target are you using teh sim on?
03:35:55Unhelpfulstripwax: you're not also using the eabi toolchain, are you? there are funny things that can do w/ iram load address in some cases
03:36:20JdGordonkkurbjun: mr500... putting in a safety check seems to work
03:36:49kkurbjunthe mr500 has the safety checks enabled in the driver by default
03:37:04kkurbjunit will clip the viewports
03:37:31kkurbjundo you see those messages if you turn off HAVE_VIEWPORT_CLIP?
03:37:41JdGordonwidth or height are getting set to 0 which apparently sticks it in a while(1) loop
03:37:55JdGordonso thats ok.. but now im still getting aretefacts
03:38:16JdGordonah because i havnt fixed it yet :p
03:39:08JdGordonno more splash artefacts, and no more list flicker :)
03:39:13JdGordonnow to fix the boot splash
03:39:36JdGordonkkurbjun: where is that define?
03:40:25kkurbjunit's in the mr500 config, I'm not sure where that is now though
03:41:21kkurbjunmrobe500.h
03:41:28kkurbjunline 69
03:41:43JdGordonyep found it.. rebuilding
03:41:59JdGordonlots of error lines still
03:43:29kkurbjunok, I was worried that the clipping might be causing an adverse effect somehow.
03:44:32JdGordonWTF? they disaapear when I add some printf() lines!
03:46:26*JdGordon decides to add a dirty hack to get around the splash problem
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03:50:17kkurbjunJdGordon, are those messages possibly coming from the remote?
03:50:33JdGordoncould be
03:51:05kkurbjunyou might check if they still show after setting the font to 8
03:51:10kkurbjuna size 8 that is
03:51:31kkurbjunand then a 16, and then go over 16
03:52:22JdGordonhow bad really would a second show_splash() be?
03:53:30JdGordon:( looks crap
03:53:55JdGordonthemes need to be the last thing loaded
03:54:28JdGordonscrew it... the fix for that is pulling the theme loading out of settings_apply()...
03:55:28JdGordonok, got a simple fix... care to test?
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04:03:11JdGordonkkurbjun: patch updated... there is a tiny flicker on boot, but not going to get any better so good enough
04:03:14*JdGordon wants to commit
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04:06:02kkurbjunI can do some testing a little later
04:06:10kkurbjunI'll give it a try though
04:15:57mc2739FlynDice: I tested your patch and it works without problems on my e260v2 and microsd card.
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04:17:40FlynDicemc2739: Thanks a bunch
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04:18:17FlynDicenow if we can get a fuze and a class 2 uSD card I'll be comfortable...
04:19:30kcynicehi, all. this is the first time that i know rockbox, but when i run the latest installer, it says it can't run on my player( 6th).
04:22:13kcynicebut, i can find the download link for 60/80GB iPod in current builds list. what should i do?
04:23:00mc2739kcynice: what model is your player?
04:23:44kcynice80GB. but im not sure why it told me this is 6th version.
04:24:04kcyniceim trying to install as 5th
04:24:41kcynicefailed....
04:25:20krazykitkcynice, try to identify your model using this page: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1353
04:26:21krazykitif it is a classic, you're out of luck, as rockbox doesn't work on the 6th gen devices.
04:26:54kcyniceyes. classic
04:28:43kcyniceno way, no choice?
04:30:04krazykitlike i said, rockbox doesn't run on that device.
04:32:00kcynicewhat a pity
04:39:36mc2739FlynDice: btw, my microsd card is a class 2. It works fine, and shows up in the debug screen as 50 MBits/s
04:43:42kkurbjunJdGordon, you are on an older svn version
04:43:55kkurbjunI'm getting alot of artifacts after leaving plugins
04:44:07kkurbjunand the plugin colors are still messed up in the menus
04:44:20kkurbjunI see that light blue background
04:44:40kkurbjunthe flickering is back inthe SBS when you transition top level menu entries
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04:45:40kkurbjunapplying the custom sbs in the sbs menu is acting worse than the last patch too..
04:47:04FlynDicemc2739: re microsd I find that interesting, I was starting to think that perhaps a class 2 wasn't a HS card, but yours shows 50.0 so that can't be it. Maybe we need a delay in there somewhere
04:47:56kkurbjunthe sbs still shows the album art after the playlist finishes playing too
04:48:05kkurbjunand the scrolling lines persist
04:48:27kkurbjunactually, now they don't go away even when transitioning menus
04:48:54kkurbjunwell, after a few menu transitions they go away
04:49:08kkurbjunthe splashes clear properly now
04:49:42kkurbjunafter hitting resume a couple of times I got a stack overflow though
04:50:02kkurbjun*PANIC* Stack overflow... viewportmanager
04:53:40kkurbjunI should clarify, that scrolling lines do not show in the plugins anymore though
04:56:05kkurbjunJdGordon: the sbs glitches do not show when music is not playing, but if I start playing music, the sbs starts to glitch when I transition the top-level menu items.
04:58:37JdGordonok, ill have a looky
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05:05:04dukemanSansa e200 with current build of rockbox installed via rbutil-qt. Host computer runs Linux x86_64. USB transfers yield I/O errors and the device node for the sansa disappears when anything is done with USB HID mode disabled
05:05:34dukemanTurning on USB HID mode in the player (in "Multimedia" mode, for example) and then plugging it in, transferring files, etc works
05:06:10dukemanWhat information do I submit to help locate the issue?
05:08:21froggymanis anyone aware of the device image problems on the theme page?
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05:51:12dukemanActually, disregard that. Closer inspection reveals the same problem appears regardless of HID setting and also in the original firmware. I'll chalk it up to hardware failure and replace the grumpy old brick.
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08:10:03topiki'm compiling in your patch now, FlynDice
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08:28:09topikFlynDice: so far your patch doesn't seem to have negative effects. playing flac smooth for a while now from the uSD card in my Fuze. silly card is still at 25Mbit/s though but that's probably the card's fault.
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08:36:35FlynDicetopik: Thanks
08:38:54topikany way i could test writing to check for those aborts?
08:39:02topikor crc failures even
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08:44:29JdGordonkkurbjun: you round?
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08:51:57FlynDicetopik: The easiest way is to copy a directory from internal to uSD & then back to internal. Using test_disk is better but you have to add it to a SOURCES file and then build & I've found the copy test just as reliable
08:54:20JdGordonstupid splashf() is causing wierd glitches :(
08:56:31*JdGordon is an idiot :p
08:58:26JdGordonhttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10824#comment33724 is now really ready to go... can I get some testing?
08:59:03pondlifeJdGordon: I was just testing the previous one
08:59:18JdGordonthe previous one is fucked :)
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09:08:46JdGordonI tihnk the last issue is changing from non sbs to inbuilt bar, which is not something that I particularly care about... but good to know
09:15:10FlynDiceGotta take some people back to Seattle now, I'll check back when I get in
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09:16:09pixelmaJdGordon: I didn't follow the patch yet but remember some discussion - did you really remove the battery and volume display settings? If not - the classic_statusbar.sbs could use the %St tag for displaying either depending on the user's choice but that would need preparation with conditional viewports. The viewports themselves are set up correctly (if you comment the lines out in the .sbs)
09:16:29JdGordonI havnt yet
09:16:36JdGordonthis patch doesnt remove the inbuilt bar yet
09:16:49pixelmaah
09:16:50JdGordonjust cleans stuff up
09:16:58JdGordonand fixes some redraw bugs
09:17:58pixelmathen my remark is something to keep in mind for the case when it is removed ;)
09:18:27JdGordonok cool
09:19:26JdGordonI'm going to bed now... if anyone has a few minutes please test the above patch... I'll probably commit it tomorow night my time unless I hear bad stuff about it...
09:19:43JdGordonthen have a mad race to skin fm and rec before release :p
09:22:51topikFlynDice: my test copying 165MB from uSD to internal, then back resulted in identical files. it's only a small test, but I think your patch might solve the corruption
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09:40:30linuxstbZagor: Good morning. I was wondering why you made this change, instead of renaming the bootloaders to bootloader-$modelname.sansa - http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev&revision=23889
09:41:00linuxstbAlso, shouldn't bootloader-ipodnano.ipod be renamed bootloader-ipodnano1g.ipod on the download server (with a symlink)
09:41:17Zagorlinuxstb: simply because I didn't touch any bootloader names. I don't know which (if any) need to have specific names.
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09:44:46linuxstbThe "bootloader-*.sansa" names can be changed to anything. It's only things like "firmware.mi4" or "pp5022.mi4" which need to stay like that.
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10:31:54kugelJdGordon: doesn't your splash.c change mean that non-blocking ones don't show (or only show for a fractional second)?
10:32:17kugelclearing directly in splash.c only works for blocking ones, I already experimented with that
10:34:50kugelalso you remove too much, add_event(LCD_EVENT_ACTIVATION, false, do_update_callback); is particularly unrelated
10:35:02kugelbut I'm not surprised that you blindly remove it
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10:38:04kugel"
10:38:04kugel+ FOR_NB_SCREENS(i)
10:38:04kugel+ screens[i].stop_scroll();" is bad too IMO
10:38:28gevaertsindeed it is. That should be on a pastebin!
10:38:33*gevaerts hides
10:40:37kugelI though 2 lines are OK, but I didn't notice that it's going to be 3 with an empty one :(
10:46:47kugelI mean, the previous screen should be stop scrolling on its viewports, or the sbs on all of its viewports. just doing it for the whole screen isn't nice. although it's probably not that bad in this case
10:48:29kugelit might be better to lcd_update() the whole display in toggle_theme, instead of each deadpart vp separately, to reduce flicker
10:50:49Zagorkugel: how can I specify "no options" with −−ttsopts ?
10:50:58Zagoror rather, default options
10:51:18Zagor−−ttsopts='' still gives me an interactive question
10:51:57kugelno idea, it might need some code changes.
10:53:02kugeladvanced options via command line is not my work, I just tested it. I may not have tested this case though
10:54:10Zagoraha. the ttsopts stuff was last touched by you :-)
10:55:22kugelcan't you leave out −−ttsopts entirely?
10:55:35Zagorno, that gives me the interactive question
10:55:40kugelah right
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10:56:37kugelwell, a special value for "take the damn defaults" isn't so usual so I assume you need to pass them. or add such a special value
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11:16:01Zagorthe manual build looks broken
11:17:29Bagderdid you check the log?
11:17:41ZagorI'm trying to build
11:17:58Bagderaha
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11:25:01CIA-6New commit by 03zagor (r23895): Do not prompt for encoder and tts options. They are now command line only.
11:31:09pixelmaZagor: can you translate this commit message for me a bit? How do I pass tts options now?
11:31:19Zagorpixelma: −−ttsopts=
11:32:07pixelmafor "make voice"?
11:32:16Zagorno, for ../tools/configure
11:33:35pixelmahmm
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12:22:44kugelZagor: you now dropped the interactive tts questions entirely?
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12:23:02Zagorkugel: only ttsopt and encoderopt
12:23:56kugelI don't use voice so it doesn't touch me really, but I wonder why that was necessary?
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12:25:28Zagorbecause we need to be able to run configure non-interactively. the alternative is adding extra "nottsopt" and "noencoderopt" parameters
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12:26:20kugelor −−ttsopts=default, that sounds more appealing than dropping the interactivity
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12:27:54ZagorI don't consider interactivity for encoder and tts _options_ a very important feature
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14:32:51RobotnikSorry for disturbing you guys so early in the morning, but I was wondering what was the "OF"... because trying to find that word through the search engine gave me nothing.
14:33:25Robotnik(somekind of OF for file transferts)
14:33:27funmanOF = Original Firmware
14:33:40RobotnikOh thank you! : D
14:33:50Robotnik*happycat*
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14:37:40Jaykaybluebroth3r: could you close FS #8025?
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14:47:48kugelJaykay: I added it as related that should be enough for now
14:50:51Jaykaykugel: would merging the three tasks into one new task help in any way?
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14:51:07kugelI don't think so
14:54:23Jaykayfine.
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15:28:01Jaykaykugel: they are duplicates, why didn't you want to delete them?
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15:36:23kugelbecause I can't tell for sure if it's the same bug or just similar symptomes
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15:40:21*Jaykay would vote for "same bug"
15:40:52Jaykayanother thing: database creation is extremely slow when the disk is full...
15:41:30Jaykaykugel: how about FS #8554? it says rockbox freezes, but it doesnt
15:42:14Jaykayerm, a question: the database is built in two steps (before and after rebooting), does rockbox write in both steps on disk?
15:42:43Torne..it is?
15:43:22Tornewhat do yo umean, two steps?
15:43:47Jaykaytorne: as i said, before and after booting
15:44:12Jaykaybefore rebooting it says something like "searching.... (x found) while x is increasing
15:44:29Jaykayand after rebooting it says "committing.... (x/9)
15:44:53Tornereally? i've neve rhad to reboot to build the db
15:46:04Jaykaywtf... you are also speaking from creating a new database on a fresh rockbox right?
15:48:16Torneyah..
15:48:20Torneyou have to reboot to enable the db..
15:48:30Tornei may be remembering wrong..
15:48:33Tornebut i've done it quite a few times
15:48:49Tornehave been formatting my ipod a lot lately :)
15:48:52Jaykay...so you also need to reboot, wheres the problem then?
15:48:57pixelmamaybe it is related to having dircache and "load database to RAM" enabled and/or using (auto)update. I usually don't have either (sometimes dircache though) and have to wait for the committing step on next reboot to have the new entries available
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15:49:13TorneJaykay: i mean, you reboot to enable the setting
15:49:18Tornenothing is *done* before
15:49:23Torneeverything is done after rebooting
15:49:45Jaykaytorne: so for you the "searching..."-step is "missing"?
15:50:01Torneno.. it searches and then it commits
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15:50:24Jaykaybut both searching and commiting are done after reboot?
15:50:51Tornethey're done whenever i tell it to initialise the databse
15:50:57Torneas long as the db is enabled
15:51:04Torneotherwise it enables the db and tells you to reboot
15:52:29Jaykaytorne: you can disable the database!?
15:52:58pixelmaTorne: what happens when you initialise again (or update)? I think you either remember wrong, or there's a misunderstanding, or something changes with your settings.
15:53:09Tornei've never updated the db
15:53:14Torneor initialised it again :)
15:53:23Tornewithout having blasted the entire contents of the disk inbetween
15:54:06Tornemy files haven't ever changed :)
15:54:12CIA-6New commit by 03zagor (r23899): Renamed file
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15:54:46Jaykaytorne: how does your "enabling" of the database work?
15:57:29pixelmaI'm curious too
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16:01:07Tornecan't see anything in tagcache_build that implies the need to reboot..
16:01:33Tornegoes through the disk and writes stuff to the temp file, then commits to the real db
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16:02:07pixelmathe committing step is usually done after a reboot
16:02:12Torneif that's where you are rebooting between then yes, it's writing to disk in both
16:02:27Torneit writes to a temp place first, then into the real db files
16:02:49Zagorthe manual build is horribly noisy. Mr Someone should look into trimming that down so real warnings become visible.
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16:04:06pixelmaI believe someone said it wasn't possible, but maybe ask bluebrother - he knows more about TeX
16:04:12Jaykaytorne: does the code also say what hapens if the disk gets full while writing?
16:05:06Torne"nothing", by the look o fit
16:05:49Jaykaytorne: hwat does that mean?
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16:07:17Torneall the calls to write() in tagcache.c don't check the return code
16:07:21Torneso.. nothing happens.
16:07:25Tornei assume.
16:07:29Tornelooks like it just carries merrily on.
16:08:43Jaykayit does.... but extremely slow...
16:08:48Jaykayshould i report a bug?
16:09:50Tornenot sure why it shouldbe slow, but that depends on our fat implementation i guess
16:11:01Jaykayi'm wondering how it can carry on at all... if the disk is full, it's full...
16:11:01gevaertson a full disk, you're likely to suffer from fragmentation
16:11:11Torneif it's *actually* full then it shouldn't have a problem though, no?
16:11:22Tornewhen you try and write you notice the next free cluster is no cluster at all
16:11:25Torneshould go faster! :)
16:11:34TorneJaykay: it carries on because it doesn't seem like it's checking for failures
16:11:55Jaykaytorne: i mean how it can write even if the disk is full
16:12:00TorneIt doesn't
16:12:01Torneit fails
16:12:03Torneevery time
16:12:55UnhelpfulJaykay: it can *call* write all it pleases
16:13:12Unhelpfulyou can call it with a number you make up instead of a real file handle if you wish ;)
16:13:18Jaykayso when it's getting slow at 24 and is now at 29, 24-29 are not written at all?
16:13:27TorneNo, how could they be if the disk is full
16:13:49Jaykayand why does failing need so long? :D
16:15:05Tornethat is possibly an interesting question, yes ;)
16:15:30gevaertsmaybe the fat driver goes through the bitmap every time?
16:15:55Torneif it does then the fat driver is dumb
16:15:59Tornethat's easy to fix :)
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16:16:01*Unhelpful was just about to say, perhaps finding that there are no free clusters is not very fast...
16:16:19Tornegenerally i'd expect a FAT implementation to maintain a pointer to the first free cluster
16:16:27Tornewhich means you know instantly if the disk is full
16:19:13Torneah, yes, we do that, but if we're appending to an existing file it ignores it and looks starting from last-cluster-of-file + 1
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16:22:21Torne(and we don't quite maintain it the way i expect anyway)
16:22:33Torneanyway, yah, this looks like one of the many reasons why tagcache can go horribly wrong
16:22:49Torneno evidence it even tries to handle running out of disk :)
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16:34:36Thunder_DropWould it be possible to compile a custom build of rockbox for the cowon d2 that would only use the buttons... I've got a d2 that went through the wash and lost touch screen capabilities. Everything else works. I can compile myself and change the code myself but do you think it is possible?
16:35:15gevaertsI don't think you'll get very far with three buttons
16:35:42gevaertsHow long ago did this happen? I'd let it dry for a bit longer (at least a few weeks) before giving up
16:36:07Thunder_Dropi could probably get playback if I used three buttons and used them as three more buttons with the hold switch on. Also long pushes could be configured to different buttons right?
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16:37:16Thunder_Droplong time ago... It didn't work at all for a while but then I came back to it after a while and it runs fine except for the touch screen
16:38:16Thunder_DropI've also had it apart but it seems that there are corroded connections on the back of the screen itself
16:38:54Thunder_DropBut I'm just wondering if I could at least get playback functioning with the physical buttons
16:39:10Thunder_DropI could write configure files with my other rockbox player
16:42:51ByanThunder_Drop: sounds like more trouble than it's worth
16:43:04Byanand you could just write the config files by ahdn
16:43:17Byanbut, sure, it's possible, why not
16:44:01Thunder_Dropwell I have an S9 that I have been using but I have to send it in for repairs and it will by out of commision for a few weeks. I don't know how long I can live with my sansa :)
16:44:27Thunder_DropWell I'll have a look at it latter
16:44:28Byanbut in the end.. you'd have taken hours of your time changing the code, only to get a boneified shuffle
16:44:42Thunder_Dropbut good sound :)
16:45:00Thunder_Dropplus its a challenge... I like challenges
16:45:53Byanyeah.. but a challenge that would be useful in other cases would be better =p
16:46:01amiconnTorne: The reboot for db commit is only necessary if neither dircache nor "load database to ram" are enabled
16:46:38Thunder_Dropbyan: too true... I don't see how I can fix my problem and be helpful for others though
16:46:41amiconnIf either option is enabled, the database uses the respective buffer for the commit step
16:47:06ByanThunder_Drop: I guess you could make it really easy for people to remap buttons
16:47:18Torneamiconn: aha, that's why i've not seen it then :)
16:47:36Thunder_Dropbyan like a configure page that remapped buttons :)
16:47:51Thunder_Dropbyan: maybe I'll look into that
16:47:53Byanit'd never get put into Trunk though
16:48:04Thunder_Droptoo confusing?
16:48:05ByanRockbox devs aren't gonna like that
16:48:24Thunder_Dropmeh could be a patch that ppl would use
16:48:33Byantrue enough
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16:48:59Thunder_Dropwell class calls so I'll take a look latter :)
16:49:01gevaertsThunder_Drop: if you want to have a go at that, talk to JdGordon. He says he knows how to do it
16:49:16Thunder_Dropthanks
16:49:23Thunder_DropI'll have to make contact in a bit
16:50:31Byanshould I sleep.. or study more..
16:53:13ByanI think am gonna go take a power nap..
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17:07:22Tomishai, i'm trying to instal this lunix into my yellow dog? i think he's a golden reteiver? he won't accept the instal disk, keep throwing it back up, what should i do?
17:08:17archivatorTomis: try iPodLinux, rockbox has nothing to do with linux :)
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17:11:45gevaertsTomis: lunix only runs on commodore 64
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17:39:34Jaykayi have 4 tasks which could be closed (maybe)... what should i do now? :)
17:39:58Jaykaythe problem is that in the tracker nobody answers... and here nobody does, too
17:41:35*jae just experienced his first WSOD (white screen of death) while trying doom on his Fuze...
17:42:20gevaertsjae: a less wasteful malloc() might help there :)
17:44:04jaeGood thing I don't "need" Doom on that (or anywhere else, for that matter)... (though "not need" goes for that whole player thing too, albeit a bit weakened)
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17:51:41TorneJaykay: which?
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17:52:46JaykayTorne: FS #8766, FS #8769, FS #8982, FS #9130
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17:58:15TorneJaykay: closed 8766 and 8982
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17:58:31Torne9130 I don't think your testing really helps; you are not using the same device as the submitter
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17:59:40Tornenot sure about killing bug reports where the submitter never came back :)
17:59:56Jaykaytorne: does the h300 have a hard disk?
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18:00:20Jaykayand maybe the tracker should have submitting and deleting closing rules :)
18:00:41*Torne shrugs
18:00:48TorneI don't think having open issues is a huge problem :)
18:00:52Torneif you don't care about them stop watching them
18:00:52Jaykaytorne: do you have a target with a hard-drive and could you test that? ;)
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18:01:40Jaykaywho said i don't care about them? as you see i'm trying to reproducce some bugs to help you (the devs)
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18:02:24Torneyes, but i mean, that just because you tested it on a different device doesn't mean it's ok
18:02:50Torneif you can reproduce the submitter's issue with an old build on the same device but can't with a new build on the same device then that's pretty good evidence
18:03:01Tornebut otherwise, it's very hard to say whether an abandoned bug is still valid or not.
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18:03:07Tornei am erring on the side of leaving them open
18:03:33Jaykayok.... i need to get up a testing environment so i can test old builds too...
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18:03:55Torneif you can't reproduce the problem, but it's something pretty specific, then it may be that you *do* need to be using the same device..
18:04:02Torneor it may be that the submitter's settings impact it
18:04:11Torneor it may be fixed :)
18:04:21Torneeliminating variables is the only way to really prove it
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18:18:49funmanRobotnik: it's not related to rockbox, so offtopic here, join #rockbox-community for offtopic talk
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18:20:16RobotnikActually, I installed Rockbox on my iPod and it seam that I cannot up-load song on it because my firmware is too new. : /
18:20:29RobotnikBut I will go ask there
18:20:31RobotnikThanks!
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18:22:20funmanrockbox is still in development for ipod nano 2g, so i understand you can't install the rockbox bootloader due to your OF being to recent ?
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18:23:09funmanFlynDice, kugel: do you think fuze/e200v2 can go stable with 3.5 release ?
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18:23:45RobotnikI was able to install it manually.
18:23:58topikit doesn't need usb for 'stable', funman ?
18:24:21Robotnikfunman: I was able to instal it manually
18:24:34funmantopik: no, e200v1/c200v1 have been stable without rockbox usb support; USB can be handled by the OF
18:24:36Robotnik*sorry, double posting*
18:25:00funmanRobotnik: well if rockbox runs and doesn't work properly then it's on topic here, provided you give details about what happens
18:25:18topikexcept for those tiny screen glitches i have had no problems with rockbox on my fuze that weren't quickly fixed
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18:25:31RobotnikAlright. : )
18:25:47RobotnikSo the problem is that I can't up-load song onto it.
18:26:12topiki fill my nano2g in the ipod's disk mode
18:26:14RobotnikI think I saw on the forum that is was due to the firmware of my iPod nano being to recent
18:26:48funmankugel: ^ 10 lines above
18:27:14RobotnikI tried that, but when I try to access the E: manualy, it appears complety empty and I can't see any files
18:27:16kugelfunman: I wouldn't mind. did we decide whether unstable can get releases?
18:27:29RobotnikNot even the Rockbox files
18:27:40funmankugel: well i meant "move the e200v2/fuze from unstable to stable"
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18:28:45topikRobotnik: yet you have rockbox working on it fine?
18:28:53RobotnikYes
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18:29:37kugelfunman: well, I would like to fix the sporadic lcd corruption on the fuze, but we still have 2 weeks, so
18:29:51Robotnik(I've just uninstalled Rockbox so I could try to downgrade my iPod)
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18:30:20Robotnik(But it's no good without the 1.1.1 file I guess)
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18:31:42TorneRobotnik: where did you hear that you needed to downgrade the OF?
18:31:48funmankugel: do we need to push bertrik for that ?
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18:34:41kugelwe could but he doesn't seem very interested. I would commit it anyway (he didn't seem to be against going by his responses)
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18:36:31JdGordon|kugel: the stop scroll there is for the sbs scrolling lines... and yes 0tick splashes will get cut
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18:37:51topikis there a known way to trigger those fuze glitches?
18:38:06kugelJdGordon|: and that's better?
18:38:16JdGordon|than what?
18:38:19kugelmost of the splashes are 0ticks ones actually
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18:39:04JdGordon|there is a dodgey way to fix it by not disabling the theme on 0 tick splashes
18:39:04JdGordon|but that wont work any better
18:39:34kugelsvn has no problems with splashes, you could just keep the event
18:40:21JdGordon|tha wont actually help at all.... 0 tick splash shows, then the sbs can be updated over it anyway
18:40:36RobotnikTorne: I guess I've misread something about downgrading an iPod touch and though it was of nanos : /
18:40:37kugelif there's a sbs
18:40:53JdGordon|which is a perfectly valid asumption
18:40:57kugelthe dead parts problem is caused by ui vp mainly
18:41:03TorneRobotnik: the version of the original firmware shouldn't affect rockbox once it's running
18:41:08kugelit is not
18:41:11Torneif you can install and run rockbox you are done with the OF
18:41:16JdGordon|of course it is
18:41:27kugelno
18:41:37JdGordon|YES!
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18:41:38kugelyou can use custom ui vp without sbs..
18:41:43JdGordon|sure
18:41:55TorneRobotnik: if you mean you have problems accessing the disk in rockbox, with it showing up as empty and 0 bytes.. that's a problem several people have. not sure what you can do about it other than use the OF disk mode..
18:42:08kugeland custom ui vp has the dead parts already
18:42:30kugelI don't understand why you remove something that works at least (even if not entirely clean) and introduce something that makes things worse
18:42:36JdGordon|the sbs case will be far more liekly that just deadspace
18:43:56RobotnikTorne: Oh ok, I will go check in the faq for the disk mode
18:44:00JdGordon|... to get a rise...
18:44:07RobotnikTorne: Thanks a lot!
18:44:11JdGordon|no, actualy I prefer than that code is clean than minor glitches
18:44:33JdGordon|and 0 tick splashes arnt so important anyway
18:44:49JdGordon|they are only there to show that something is happening... which could be done better
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18:46:27topikyou just said you tried disk mode, Robotnik, and now you are going to read a faq about it?
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18:49:09Robotniktopik: yeah because I must have missed something
18:49:34topikthere's not much to it besides holding select-play while it starts
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19:04:07topikRobotnik: don't know if it matters, but my nano 2g has firmware 1.1.3 and works fine with rockbox
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19:11:23Robotniktopik: after re-installing Rockbox I've understood that I mixed up 'multimedia mode' and 'disk mode'
19:11:36RobotnikNow everything works fine, ahaha
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19:15:41RobotnikWell, thanks a lot for helping me guys! : )
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19:33:19Tuplanollahi
19:33:33Tuplanollashould rockbox play xm files?
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19:42:07domonoky1Tuplanolla: rockbox plays many different chiptunes files, but i think xm is still not supported (i think there is a patch for it on the tracker)
19:43:10Tuplanollaah, ok
19:43:23domonoky1but you can play sid,mod,nsf,spc,gbs and .sap chiptunes files :-)
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19:43:35Tuplanollayep, and that's awesome :p
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20:31:45kugelJdGordon|: mister band aid prefers glitchy over not entirely clean now? And IMO breaking 0-tick splashes isn't very nice, they are not unimportant (I think the majority of splashes are 0-tick ones)
20:32:38JdGordon|adding band-aids when you change the API is a bloody stupid thing to to
20:32:52kugeli didn't change the api
20:33:14JdGordon|did I say you did?
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20:34:40*kugel blames the English "you" ambiguity
20:37:03kugeldo you want to commit it for 3.5? I'm not sure if that's a good idea if it introduces other problems. the problems in SVN are relatively easy to fix
20:38:13JdGordon|yes I do
20:38:30JdGordon|I actually tihnk the best thing for 0 tick splashes is to get rid of them!
20:38:49JdGordon|there is no clean way to do them
20:39:08JdGordon|places like the wps "loading" splash for example are pointless
20:39:25JdGordon|it could just as easily be done with a "busy?" token and a sbs
20:40:11JdGordon|but anyway... if those splashes are the worst issue left then I'm completly good to commit it
20:40:34JdGordon|the code is much cleaner than svn, and the glitches are no worse than svn
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20:43:05amiconnThe "loading" splash isn't pointless
20:43:07JdGordon|adding a token for busy indication could actually be pretty cool... the sbs could show a silly animation in the middle of the screen while its doing that
20:43:31amiconnIt gives valuable feedback
20:43:31JdGordon|amiconn: yes, its not pointless.. but it doesnt have to be displayed like it is
20:43:47gevaertsJdGordon|: not really. That would require it to draw outside of the viewport it promised to stay in :)
20:43:54amiconnAnd zero tick splashes are useful, and should be doable
20:44:22JdGordon|gevaerts: well.. it doesnt have to be in the ui area :)
20:44:46amiconnIf you make updates synchronous as I suggested yesterday (?), the main window knows when to do a full update
20:45:05JdGordon|kugel: anyway, I tinhk sbs overdrawing the splash is a far bigger problem than deadspace because its alot more liekly that the splash doesnt even hit deadspace (narrow margins)
20:45:09amiconnThen it just needs to do a full update the next time it updates after a zero tick splash was shown
20:45:51JdGordon|how do you do that wthout adding a layer between the main thread and the lcd driver
20:46:02JdGordon|+?
20:46:09kugelthe 0-tick splashes are supper annoying
20:46:20JdGordon|but they taste yummy :p
20:46:49amiconnThere is another reason why these splashes need to stay: They're voiced
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20:47:16amiconnJdGordon|: Well, the main thread knows when it draws a zero tick splash
20:47:20JdGordon|people using voice wont care about artefacts :)
20:47:48kugelI've had an idea how to deal a tad bit better; let the viewportmanager redraw them after all other stuff is drawn. that would require to change the splash api so that the non-blocking ones also have a max timeout parameter
20:47:51amiconnYou suggested an animation (which would be *really* silly imo, and most proably wouldn't work properly anyway)
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20:48:23JdGordon|amiconn: yes, but it would be painful to have to go and modify every single screen to handle the descision
20:48:36amiconnAnd you're wrong that people using voice don't care about artifacts
20:48:42JdGordon|and I suggested a skin token... how its used is up to themers
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20:49:24JdGordon|kugel: thats not very nice
20:49:25amiconnAn animation won't work because the main thread is usually blocked in cases where a zero tick splash is shown
20:49:34kugelwhy?
20:49:53kugel(that was for JdGordon| )
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20:50:23JdGordon|the splash api should be simple... I really tihnk working around these issues is a waste of time
20:50:58JdGordon|the splashes already look crap for 0 tick ones that change size
20:51:24amiconnJdGordon|: You will need that for the startup case anyway, if you want to get rid of atrifacts in a simple way
20:51:33kugelthe calling code wouldn't notice that the splash is redrawn
20:51:34amiconn*artifacts
20:51:58JdGordon|I fixed the startup splash problem by reordering the settings_apply() calls
20:52:24amiconnThat sounds like a fragile solution
20:52:56JdGordon|it wont be fragile once the the theme loading is explicit
20:53:07JdGordon|which is on the todo list
20:53:18kugelthe splash api wouldn't change really, just having the timeout always apply and a do_block parameter. the redraw would me handled internally
20:53:38kugeland I'm sure no splash would leave artifacts ever with that
20:53:56JdGordon|0tick splashes are used because the main thread is busy.. we dont want to add to that with extra draws
20:54:05FlynDicefunman: re fuze/e200v2, I've got to confess I'm not up to speed on the state of the manual or the installer, but I would say that from a user perspective, Rockbox certainly runs well on these players with just "minor" deviations from perfect. Until I break it again that is.. ;-)
20:55:10JdGordon|a fix which I dont want to do for splashes is tell _theme_undo() to not clear the deadspace
20:55:16JdGordon|which would fix everything
20:55:20funmanFlynDice: manual & installer are alright, so let's go for it
20:55:30topikFlynDice: that 15.5Mhz patch seems fine
20:55:34kugelmy idea would make that possible easily
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20:56:10funmanif i count correctly, we should start freeze in 2 days (or at the end of the week ?)
20:56:20JdGordon|but that means that the main thread DOES have to remember to do a full screen clear/update.. which sucks
20:56:55amiconnImo it's the only reliable way to handle this
20:57:07JdGordon|IMO its not worth the effort
20:57:17FlynDicetopik: Thanks for testing, I'm going to commit shortly
20:57:17amiconnThe splash artifacts also apply to timed splashes if a theme uses space wasters (aka margins)
20:57:30JdGordon|how about this.. we wait and see how much negative feedback there is.. if there is too much we can decide how to fix it
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20:57:52kugelwell, we could simply declare that 0-tick splashes aren't guaranteed to show up for longer than X seconds and have the splash code remember the last viewport. after X seconds the viewport would be cleared via the GUI_EVENT_ACTIONUPDATE event
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20:58:29JdGordon|kugel: that sounds really complicated... and error prone
20:58:41amiconn...and undesirable
20:59:14JdGordon|and dangerous actually
20:59:51JdGordon|the clearing is done in theme_undo()... which must always be called with theme_enable() before hand... what you are proposing could very esaisly stkov the theme stack
20:59:52kugelreally?
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21:00:41JdGordon|splash()... splash()... splash()... splash()... ...time elapses... stkov because _undo() hasnt been called
21:01:02JdGordon|or.. we force splash to use the ui area
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21:01:26kugel!?
21:01:52JdGordon|?
21:02:08kugelwhat has your strange theme stack to do with it?
21:02:23JdGordon|splash disables the theme
21:02:35kugelthere's no viewport_set_fullscreen anymore?
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21:02:52JdGordon|there is... but thats very undesirable
21:03:03kugelsplashes don't need that theme_enable/theme_undo thing imo
21:03:10kugelwhat for?
21:03:16JdGordon|although... I had totally forgotten about that.. and using it would solve all this
21:03:20JdGordon|except the deadspace
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21:05:49kugelmy idea is super simple, not complicated and error prone
21:06:06gevaertskugel: the last bit is the problem :)
21:06:19gevaertsunless you want the "not" to also apply there
21:06:22*gevaerts hides
21:07:40JdGordon|kugel: it still sounds like a bad idea... but go ahead and implement it against 10824 and we'll have a look
21:08:00*JdGordon| still thinks the splash issues arent going to actually be a problem
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21:12:54kugelwell, you're in fact breaking 0-tick splashes for everybody who's not using a fullscreen ui vp
21:14:44JdGordon|its not broken
21:15:45JdGordon|if the deadspace is small the user wont notice.. and if they arnt usign a sbs the deadspace *will* be relativly small
21:16:23kugelthey're cut off!
21:16:46JdGordon|and thats a hugly big deal why?
21:16:51kugelthat means they are broken
21:17:02JdGordon|no, they look shit...
21:17:22JdGordon|and they look shit in svn, for years if the size of the splash changes
21:18:17kugelthey look bad yes, but if the text is cut off they are also broken
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21:18:55JdGordon|for 0tick splashes.. the text isnt really that important
21:19:06JdGordon|they are an indication that rockbox hasnt crashed... nothing more
21:19:46JdGordon|and as long as you dont have crazy stupid deadspace it wont cut off all the text anyway
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21:26:34CIA-6New commit by 03FlynDice (r23901): Sansa AMS: Run all SD cards within SD Specification frequencies. ...
21:27:04domonokyrasher: ping ?
21:32:16*amiconn really doesn't understand JdGordon|'s weird logic
21:32:59JdGordon|if the informatino in the splash was important, then it would be guarenteed to stay on the screen long enough to read
21:33:03JdGordon|its not, so its not
21:33:56JdGordon|+ ''''''
21:34:01amiconnOn one hand you want to improve looks by extending theming, on the other hand you're knowingly breaking the look of things which are working now
21:34:13domonokyJdGordon|: sure a "busy" sign would probably replace all those 0time splashes, but untill you replace them all, its bad to commit code wich brakes it.
21:34:28amiconndomonoky: Don't forget voice
21:34:50JdGordon|voice can be fixed there easily
21:34:58domonokytrue, so we need a voiceable busy sign :-)
21:35:36JdGordon|give me an example of a splash that is absolutly required and its information is important and I'll back down...
21:35:44JdGordon|that has the 0tick splash
21:36:14amiconnThe splash glitches do not just apply to 0-tick splashes
21:36:41*kugel is also under the impression that everything worked well after the initial sbs commit, and that every change since then made things worse
21:36:43JdGordon|no they dont, but the cutting off wont happen untill after the tmeout on them
21:37:10kugelespecially r23606
21:37:23amiconnI'm not referring to cutoff, but to parts remaining in dead areas
21:37:40amiconnkugel: Even initial sbs broke things iirc
21:37:48kugelamiconn: non-0-tick ones could be easily handled within splash itself; even in the same function
21:38:51JdGordon|amiconn: no, parts remaining on the screen is entrily fixed.. and you would see if you tested the patch
21:39:12JdGordon|r23606 was required.. but yes, maybe was too soon
21:39:18JdGordon|those functions were just bad
21:39:35kugels/maybe/definitely/
21:39:52JdGordon|which is besides the point
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21:42:28JdGordon|the only 0tick splash I can think of that has any usefull information is the updating database one.. which should be replaced with something that isnt the splash
21:43:43stripwaxwhat about the pictureflow 'failed to load bmp' one?
21:44:24JdGordon|thats 0 tick?
21:44:41kugelmost are
21:45:15JdGordon|they shouldn't be if the text is importany
21:45:29JdGordon|there are a few solutions for this.. all of which should be delayed
21:45:47JdGordon|a possible one is skinning the splash screen! at least enough to just give it a viewport
21:46:11kugelsure those solutions are delayed, but your patch needs to go in very fast?
21:46:30kugeldo we freeze tomorrow, btw?
21:46:44JdGordon|am I really the only one who thinks the splash's arnt that important?
21:46:50JdGordon|oh fuck... do we?
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21:58:37kkurbjunWkugel: svn has the same problem with splashes that jdgordon's patch used to have
21:59:51CIA-6New commit by 03tomers (r23902): Manual: Hide USB HID actions which are not supported on target ...
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22:00:51JdGordon|used to... but not now?
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22:02:08kkurbjunWjdgordon, I haven't tried the latest patch, I am assuming they are working properly now.. an alternate way to fix the splashes would be to center and draw them in the ui viewport
22:02:30kkurbjunWrather than always drawing in the center of the screen
22:03:04JdGordon|thats another possible fix
22:03:29kkurbjunWI think that would be a really clean way to fix them
22:04:11JdGordon|I actually like splashes being outside the user area... it makes them feel more "pop-up-y"
22:04:50kkurbjunWalso, I had a concern about the settings apply changes thta you did, I havn't tested it on target, but are you sure those changes won't effect things like the database and dir cache?
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22:06:15kkurbjunWJdGordon, yeah - I mean that's a matter of oppinion, I don't care either way, but it would be nice if 0 second splashes worked properly
22:06:45JdGordon|that was my worry also (settings change), but for now at least that should be completly sa.... oh hmm... shit.. yeah maybe not
22:07:46JdGordon|what does dircaceh and databse do when they are re-initialised to be enabled if they were already?
22:08:38kkurbjunWI really don't know - I don't know if anyone that is here regularly knows what the consequence of that would be offhand.
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22:21:10JdGordon|so does anyone want to pipe in about the release time frame?
22:21:16JdGordon|are we in fact freezing tomroow?
22:22:00mrtok1saratoga: sorry for bothering you again - could you assist in setting up test_codec.c for my testing? what ive done is, adding test_codec.c to SOURCES and checked the CATEGORIES files - but i cannot find the test_codec within my plugin menu - target is ipod nano 1g
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22:24:02mrtok1saratoga: + please ;-)
22:24:31mrtok1or anyone else?
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22:24:53stripwaxmrtok1 - it's a viewer, so you long-select the file, and Open With
22:25:37stripwax^the file you want to decode
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22:27:16mrtok1hi stripwax - i saw it is a viewer, but i did not know how to deal with that information... i try
22:27:16stripwaxmrtok1- can you confirm it did actually build test_codec.rock ? :)
22:27:16stripwaxyep, that's how you launch viewers (e.g. you can launch Sliding Puzzle by long-press on a .bmp file)
22:27:16mrtok1yes - and this is also installed under rocks
22:27:16gevaertsJdGordon|: that's the original plan, yes. How much time do you need?
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22:28:35JdGordon|its not really "need".... I'd like to commit this tonight...
22:28:57gevaertsoh, so the rest would be bugfixes :)
22:29:11JdGordon|well, yeah
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22:29:43mrtok1stripwax: currently running the test .... :-) thank you !
22:29:54stripwaxno problem!
22:30:37stripwaxwhat device do you have, by the way? (I don't know if you read last night's irc logs but I'm also having profiling issues - but the fact that you were getting an empty profile.out yesterday actually means you're doing less badly than I am!)
22:31:09mrtok1ipod nano 1g
22:31:46mrtok1so you didnt even get an empty one?
22:32:28stripwaxmrtok1 - nope, got Illegal instruction exceptions right at the point where profiling would start. ipod 5g so hardly at all different to nano 1g. I'll try a full rebuild..
22:35:52kugelkkurbjun: what did you mean by "used to"?
22:36:12kugelor rather, which specific problem were you refering to
22:39:51kugelFlynDice: I'm not sure if adding a delay into rather speed critical loops to fix a non-existent problem is a good idea
22:41:31kugelthe place there seems weird to me, did you investigate that further? i.e. if the problem is in the dma code?
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22:42:42*amiconn thinks that a release is almost pointless right now, with all those broken things
22:42:42kugelthat's why don't release *now* :)
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22:43:19amiconn3.5 that is... 3.4.1 is overdue
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22:43:27JdGordon|release numbers are arbitrary
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22:44:19*kugel hasn't seen a serious attempt to get a 3.4.1 out
22:44:21mrtok1stripwax: i´ve done 2 tests - one with algo under test enabled and one disabled - no i got 2 speed results - when disabled i need 60MHz less for realtime ;-)
22:44:55kugeland I also haven't seen a report of the problem which that 3.4.1 should fix, except amiconn's one ;)
22:45:10stripwaxwhat was the reported clockspeed required with algo disabled?
22:45:31stripwax(that sounds like some slow algo - audio decode likely around 30MHz)
22:45:32mrtok16.86mhz
22:45:42stripwaxwhich codec?
22:45:46mrtok1aif
22:45:57stripwaxah - heh - uncompressed
22:46:24stripwaxwhat does your nano 1g report for say vorbis or mp3
22:46:37pixelmakugel: then you didn't look hard enough
22:47:09stripwaxbut anyway, yeah, that's a very slow algo - assuming nano 1g hardware basically equivalent to 5g, your dsp needs the same amount of juice as TWO vorbis decodes..
22:47:26pixelmaI saw reports about early USB problems, e.g. in the forums
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22:48:02mrtok1how to tranlate that into delay and mips?
22:48:19kugelyea, I don't look through the forums intensively
22:48:25mrtok1just running one with mp3 disabled
22:48:34kugelwhy are you so keen on mips?
22:49:33stripwaxor delay - not possible to tell from this what the latence will be thru the dsp algo, but basically user won't see it if it's realtime decoding at 60MHz
22:49:36mrtok1stripwax: testresult->25MHZ for realtime
22:49:37*JdGordon| yells and pulls his hair out over early usb
22:49:51stripwaxmrtok1 yeah. so 60MHz sounds BAD for any kind of dsp
22:49:54stripwaxwhat effect is this?!
22:50:30mrtok1some kind of psychoacoustics - yes not very simple
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22:50:55stripwaxsome kind −− anything specific? (you're among friends here...)
22:51:51mrtok1doing amplitude and frequency dependent delaying signals
22:52:03mrtok1difficult to explain
22:52:23stripwaxgot any links to docs on the web? pretty smart people hang out on #rockbox ..
22:52:33stripwaxbut basically fft/ifft processing?
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22:52:43stripwaxso guessing you need a decent fast fft for that
22:52:50mrtok1not of that kind -
22:53:01stripwaxit's slower than fft+ifft ....
22:53:35mrtok1it´s not a simple just having these both in place
22:53:40mrtok1+s
22:54:31stripwaxno, well, presumably something happens in between
22:54:35JdGordon|can someone get a list of ui viewport/SBS type bugs in svn together so we can decide to go ahead with 10824 pre release or not?
22:54:36mrtok1it´s a bunch of biquads and some glue
22:54:42stripwaxbut probably easier for you to describe than for me to guess .. :)
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22:55:21JdGordon|pixelma, kkurbjun, kugel, amiconn, others... ^^
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22:55:54stripwaxmrtok1 - hrm, I'm not sure I understand how/why that could be so slow
22:56:02stripwaxgot source/patch/etc ?
22:56:10saratogaimplementing them as a transform is unlikely to be done in less then 30-35MHz for just the transform stage, so a filterbank is probably better unless you've got a very large number of channels
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22:57:42saratogaprobably just have to think more carefully about the math and find a better way to code it
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22:58:56mrtok1saratoga: there is a state invariant part too, which steers a feedback
22:59:09FlynDicekugel: re delay, What I found was there needs to be a delay between the time the card gets the SD_WRITE_MULTIPLE_BLOCK command and when the actual transfer starts when MCICLK is in the 15 MHz range. If we don't delay we get data crc failures.
22:59:34kugeli saw that
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23:00:33FlynDicekugel: It fits in where I put it because there's no need to add another if(write) condition if we don't have to.
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23:01:28kugeldid you do speed tests this time?
23:01:47FlynDicekugel: It's not really a non-existant problem either, the cards are overclocked
23:02:12kugelthat hasn't been a problem for 62MHz and not for 31MHz
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23:04:22FlynDicekugel: No, it isn't a problem at the higher frequencies, but to get a non-hs card down into a spec frequency with PCLK at 62 MHZ your legal options are 15.5 MHz, 15.5 MHz, or even 15.5 MHz ... ;-)
23:04:55kugelI realized that overclocking means not within specs
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23:08:57Armand`q: i need to replace the hard disk in my ipod 5th gen, originally the 80GB model. If I'm only going to run rockbox on it, can I use any 1.8-inch hard disk with the ZIF connection or are there limitations?
23:09:53stripwaxArmand` - there is a page in the wiki
23:10:03stripwaxsearch for HardDrive
23:10:10gevaertsArmand`: the main limitation is that the official rockbox build doesn't support more than 128GB, although if you're comfortable with building your own it's easy to get a build that does work with those
23:15:37FlynDicekugel: For what it's worth, what I found out while figuring this out has helped convince me that IDE_CLK is used as MCLK for internal SD. We can run IDE_CLK at 50 MHz, div by 2 for 25.0 on the internals, and make the delay conditional for only standard speed uSD cards.
23:15:53Armand`thanks
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23:16:23FlynDicekugel: I wanted to break those 2 parts up though.
23:17:27FlynDicekugel: 25 MHz does nt require a write delay.
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23:28:10stripwaxsomething seriously unhappy with profiling codecs thru test_codec plugin. just got "Prefetch abort error at C0EDBABE." That's a new one. profiling within an arbitrary plugin (e.g. test_fps) seems to work just fine, on the other hand.
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23:43:20Unhelpfulgevaerts: thanks... i wasn't expecting any large gain, but i wanted to be sure it didn't hurt.
23:44:08Unhelpfulstripwax: "C0EDBABE"? nice. what about just playing one track with the codec? you'd still get a profile of where the codec spends time, right?
23:47:56stripwaxUnhelpful - no, because it aborts and I have to reset ..
23:48:10stripwaxI don't get any profile.out - it doesn't even get that far
23:48:37Unhelpfuleep. i tried on sim, just to get a rough guess at where costs are, but gprof apparently can't see through dlopen :/
23:49:01Unhelpfuli guess i could get info of that low quality with a profile build of faad too, though :)
23:51:46Bagdercallgrind should work on the sim
23:51:55Bagder"Callgrind uses runtime instrumentation via the Valgrind framework for its cache simulation and call-graph generation. This way, even shared libraries and dynamically opened plugins can be profiled"
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23:56:05stripwaxI made some hacks to build a rockbox Profile Sim build, which seems to work, but I'm not sure about the granularity of the timer used
23:57:34Bagdervalgrind/callgrind requires no special build, which is very attractive
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