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#rockbox log for 2009-12-11

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00:05:37LambdaCalculus37It didn't do that to me with the T.
00:07:09LambdaCalculus37But then again, I barely got far with it!
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00:19:10Unhelpfulhrm, might that same shift-and-round sequence make sense on beast even when there's not an extra addition to be done? instead of (x + (1<<(y-1))) >> y, doing asm( "movs %[x], %[x], lsr %[y]\n\t" "adc %[x], %[x], #0" ...)
00:20:52Unhelpfulit would save a register used to form y-1, and it would be fewer register-specified shifts, since those interlock on ARM11... the two instructions have no interlock with each other, just the 1-cycle possible interlock for the register holding y
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01:18:44Unhelpfulhrm, i think pow2_int in apps/codecs/libfaad/common.c may actually contain an error.. it returns round(2^n) with a fixed-point input and integer output, but it actually is always returning 0 if the whole part of the input is <= 0. this doesn't seem quite right, it does rounding for larger inputs and 2^x should round to 1 or more for all x >= -1
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01:36:43Unhelpfulit appears it *is* an error, cvs version from the time of our faad2 checkout (to look at the float code) uses pow(2.0, x) in place of pow2_int and pow2_fix... therefore they should presumably be returning the best possible representation of the float value pow(2.0,x) in their respective output formats.
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01:49:17pixelmatomers: it's in manual/platform/keymap-*
01:49:48pixelmaand put there manually
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01:56:01JdGordon|pixelma: get a chance to try early usb yet?
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02:07:40pixelmano, haven't yet
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02:41:23*FlynDice still looking for fuze and clip test on FS #10838 when someone find time.....
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02:59:37williamhello, are you familiar with rockbox?
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03:25:19FlynDicesaratoga: Thanks for testing that any chance your clip is handy......
03:25:36saratogaFlynDice: sorry left it at home, but i can test it later
03:25:45FlynDicethanks
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03:37:26Unhelpfulhrm, how is a register-based shift on ARM handled if the shift register is negative? if i read correctly, this is equivalent to shift == 32... so if i want to shift either way i must explicitly test, negate, and shift the opposite direction?
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04:10:16n00b12345guys, I have some music on my C200 but I don't know how to manage it from the PC
04:10:22n00b12345it's on Database not on Folders
04:10:38n00b12345I can't see anything from the PC
04:11:02n00b12345if I plug the player on C200 normal mode I see free space like 2MB but no files inside
04:11:06JdGordon|show hidden folders
04:12:09n00b12345wtf, I'm retard
04:12:10n00b12345thanks
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05:03:55Unhelpfulhrm. would somebody mind taking a look at these? as i understand shift-by-register on ARM, they ought to produce identical results... but that's not what i'm seeing. http://pastie.org/738451
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05:38:23WaltertaucherNoob here but on sansa e200 v1 r23928 has iriver files and will cause codex error if loaded
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05:53:24CIA-6New commit by 03FlynDice (r23929): Sansa AMS: Assume IDE_CLK is used as MCLK for internal SD. We assumed PCLK previously. ...
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06:02:17Unhelpfulah, i think i see the issue, the lsrs leaves carry untouched if shift == 0, doesn't it?
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06:15:47thimsdoes anyone know where I could find the specifics on how the click wheel works?
06:16:09thimsI cant seem to find any documentation anywhere on it, nor can I find a datasheet for the main IC in its circuitry
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08:17:32amiconnUnhelpful: lsrs is a pseudo-op (in ARM mode) I wouldn't use because it obfuscates things
08:19:10amiconnAnd the asm is probably not working because it only handles half of what the C function handles
08:19:39amiconnShift can obviously be either >0, meaning right-shift, or <0, meaning left-shift
08:20:44topikFlynDice: somehow your latest patch changed how rockbox sees the uSD card in my Fuze
08:21:52topikboth internal and external are listed as 'Rev 8.0', and the uSD card is now 50Mbit/s
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08:23:26Unhelpfulamiconn: i got the impression that the low seven bits of the source register were interpreted as an unsigned value... so a negative value in the shift register would be >32, clearing the destination register.
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08:26:22amiconnYes, that's what happens because you're not handling the shift<0 case
08:29:05Unhelpfulbut i am, or at least i thought i was. if shift >0, the movs shifts the value right and stores the last-bit-shifted-out in C, then the rsb inverts the shift value, then the adc adds val lsl shift (which will be 0) plus the C, so that the rounding is also handled there
08:29:10amiconnAnd according to the arm reference manual it's the low 8 bits which are used in a shift-right-by-register operation
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08:30:37Unhelpfulif shift <0, the initial movs clears C and stores 0 to the output register, then rsb inverts shift, so the adc adds val << (-shift) to the zero already stored
08:31:04amiconnDoes it really always clear the output reg?
08:32:05amiconnAssuming that the actual value stays within the +/-31 range, it should though
08:32:40amiconnBut the result will definitely be wrong for shift == 0
08:33:25amiconnIndependent of the carry bit, it will double the value
08:33:26Unhelpfulbecause C is untouched by the first movs in that case? i looked for an explicit clear carry or clear flags instruction. the best i could come up with was to tst any register with #256 :/
08:33:57Unhelpful...*oh*, and because adds the value to itself in that case.
08:34:03amiconnyep
08:35:07Unhelpfulmake the rsb an rsbs, and add a moveq %[val], #0?
08:35:32Unhelpfulah, but that would set the carry bit, too, wouldn't it?
08:36:31amiconnHmm, actually I think the function is always wrong for shift > 0
08:36:48amiconnAnd your adc is missing an operand
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08:37:44Unhelpfulindeed it is... i wonder what exactly the assembler is turning that into...
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08:40:51nosa-jhay there will rockbox run at all on the nano chronomatic, i know some stuff can be done with the 2ng gen but i was wonder if the same can be done with the chronomatic
08:40:55amiconnWhat it should do is essentially a right shift with rounding
08:41:03scorchenosa-j: nope
08:42:02Unhelpfulamiconn: shift >0 is supposed to do a rounded right shift. shift <= 0 should be a left shift. i think it needs some tinkering still. :/
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08:50:26amiconnUnhelpful: Did you test this in a plugin or so, comparing C and asm?
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08:51:27Unhelpfulactually i did, along with the function that uses it... and it gets correct results even for cases where it would be using shift==0. that's after i added a clear-carry before the shift.
08:53:15amiconnThat is odd, because shift == 0 is definitely broken unless I'm missing something
08:54:11Unhelpfulit looks to me like it should be quite broken, too... it should be doubling the value, because of the addition.
08:54:43linuxstbnosa-j: This page shows what's possible at the moment on the newer ipods - http://l4n.clustur.com/index.php/Status
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09:00:20Unhelpfulyou know what, i actually wasn't testing the shift==0 case. this is the last step in a fixed-point-input, integer-output 2^n function, and i tested it with inputs where the whole part == 0, but the case i actually need to hit shift==0 is whole == 14
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09:05:08Unhelpfulso as soon as a file decodes that will calculate 2^14.x this is wrong. not that it seems to impact the output *audibly*. the function as it is in svn is also not really right, inputs <0 and >=-0.5 produce 0 where round(2.0^n) would be 1. and fixing that didn't make it sound different, either. :/
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12:44:30Unhelpfulamiconn: ah, i think i have it figured out. i can either add the rounding bit explicitly with an adc %[out], %[out], #0 and then use moveq (as a negative shift will have set Z in the initial movs) to write the left-shifted value over %[out], or i can add a movne [%val], #0 to clear val - in which case the adc won't add anything but the carry bit. either should handle the shift==0 case nicely, but the first is probably more friendly to arm
12:44:30Unhelpful its early register interlocks.
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12:48:07Unhelpfuli ended up with this: http://pastie.org/738751
12:48:44Unhelpfulthe first instruction still feels like obscure voodoo to me, but i didn't see anything about a set/clear flags instruction
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12:49:53Tornewhy do you need to clear the flags?
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12:50:56UnhelpfulTorne: because if the shift is 0, the initial movs leaves C unchanged :/
12:51:51Tornereally? that's horrendously broken
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12:53:03Torneif so then, er
12:53:08TorneTST has the same problem, surely?
12:53:16TorneTST also sets C to shifter_carry_out
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12:53:59UnhelpfulTorne: yes, but shifter_carry_out, for an immediate operand, is set to the high bit of the rotated result. *if* the result is rotated.
12:54:10kood777hi~
12:54:15TorneOh christ so it is
12:54:27Torneorthogonal instruction set my arse.
12:54:30Unhelpfulso if the TST is against 0-255 C is unchanged
12:55:03Unhelpfulwhich is why i say this feels like voodoo
12:55:18Tornebut yes, you're right, that TST will clear C
12:55:28Torneand MOV always sets Z one way or the other
12:55:52Torneand clearing the flags using non-voodoo takes two instructions :)
12:56:40Unhelpfulas in, doing some math? :/
12:56:58Torneno, you just MSR a value into the flags..
12:57:05Tornebut you can only MSR from a register, not an immediate
12:57:18Torneso you need a register handy where the top bits are known to be zero
12:57:54Torneoh wait
12:57:59Torneno i'm an idiot
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12:58:06TorneMSR CPSR_f, #0
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12:58:15Tornethat clears the flags :)
12:58:35Unhelpfulif i feed the sign in reversed, i think there may be another way :)
12:58:50Tornewell the msr is nicer than tst :)
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13:35:59topikkood777: is there anything you need?
13:42:52mc2739rasher: When you get a chance, can you update your simulator webpage for the new target names?
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14:19:33UnhelpfulTorne: i'd say that maybe it's like the x86 BSR instruction, "we don't know what the output should be, so lets have it undefined", but it defines rather clearly what goes in the C flag on movs without shift
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14:20:17Unhelpfulanyway, since shift is actually the result of a subtraction, i can start with it inverted for free
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15:13:17icecreami can't find this in the manual, are all of rockbox's config files / plugins etc in /.rockbox ?
15:14:24Torneyes
15:14:49Torneall rockbox files are in .rockbox except the bootloader, which is in a target-specific place depending on the target's requirements
15:16:04icecreamok thanks
15:17:29icecreami have a sansa fuze, i'm guessing that there aren't any files i need in root after first installation?
15:17:58topikonly your .rockbox folder
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15:19:23icecreamalright, thanks for the catch
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15:50:58CIA-6New commit by 03mc2739 (r23932): Remove svn:executable
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15:53:19pyro_maniachi there, i ve got a quick question. can i make album art accept everything that ends on Cover.jpg? For Example 00_{foldername}-Cover.jpg
15:54:17Torneonly by changing the code and doing your own build
15:56:33pyro_maniacthat would be no problem, but i don't understand the current way really
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16:00:06pyro_maniaci am looking at search_albumart_files which is trying to find files with a specific name.
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16:02:19pyro_maniaci know that it concats dirname with cover.bmp / folder.bmp etc
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16:11:33domonokypyro_maniac: what do you not understand ? currently it just constructs a potential filename/path and check if that file exists
16:13:59pyro_maniacthe order of replacement irritates me in here: "%scover%s." EXT, dir
16:13:59pyro_maniacbut i guessed this works the other way round and isn't near to be my solution
16:15:14domonokyno.. there is no comma before EXT.
16:15:42domonokythis means the format string and the EXT string will get made to one format string.
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16:16:52pyro_maniac-.- damed, i didn't see that
16:18:06domonokythis is done, so we can get no extension in the format string, if jpeg_cover support is enabled (because then the try_exts() function tests for all extensions.
16:19:03domonokyif jpeg_cover support is not enabled, try_exts is just a file_exists(), so we need the extension ofcourse.
16:20:24pyro_maniachmm, is there a way to search for files that ends with "-Cover.jpg" ?
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16:23:12domonokyyou need to uses a different method for this.. maybe get a dir-listing and search for entrys with end with this string.
16:24:28pyro_maniacsounds like a plan, thanks for that. i will try that.
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17:47:13rasherZagor: Why is the mini2440 not lyremini2440?
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18:31:51*n1s guesses test_codec doesn't close the file if it quits because of a usb insert
18:32:45gevaertsprobably
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18:47:29JdGordonrasher: why would it be?
18:47:41JdGordonits openARM or something...
18:47:52rasherThen that..
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19:37:52*domonoky works on a patch to allow to link to a specific theme (by makeing the name a link), but the resulting single theme page looks still a bit empty i think. (http://imagebin.org/75128) does anyone have ideas to improve ?
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19:44:13gevaertsdomonoky: I assume we don't care much about historical checkwps results?
19:45:44domonokygevaerts: you mean checkwps results of deleted/update themes ?
19:45:49gevaertsyes
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19:46:06domonokyi dont think they are important.
19:46:24domonokywe can just run checkwps again after a theme restore.
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19:50:48gevaertsdomonoky: maybe a stupid thing, but if we stop removing "deleted" themes, is there still a difference between "hidden" and "deleted"?
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19:52:19domonokyhm.. true, there is not much difference. only that we only allow uploads if the name is unique.
19:52:49CIA-6New commit by 03Domonoky (r23934): Make it possible to link to individual themes.
19:52:52gevaertsI actually think that uploading a new version of the theme should just hide the old version, not delete it. That way, "delete" remains available for cases where we really don't want the theme at all anymore, e.g. because of copyright issues
19:54:55*domonoky just made his change also live: http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?themeid=317&target=cowond2 :-)
19:55:26JdGordon|nice!
19:55:27n1scould someone benchmark this on a pp target, prefferably with vorbis? http://pastie.org/739370
19:55:38gevaertsI think the logic should be : user uploads theme, if the name is not unique assume it's an update (and possibly show message to say that) and (maybe?) check if the email address is the same. After the verification is done, hide the old one.
19:55:56gevaertsIf the name is unique, it's a new theme and nothing changes
19:56:12JdGordon|domonoky: if a theme works for all targets of a display size.. is there really any reason to require the target name in the link?
19:56:35JdGordon|and the location thing at the top?
19:56:40domonokyJdGordon|: not really. its just used to construct the correct link back.
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19:57:08JdGordon|can you make it optional?
19:57:16gevaertsdomonoky: now make the rss feed use those :)
19:57:17domonokyit just displays the theme which matches the rowid you give.
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20:01:05domonoky:-)
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20:05:41domonokygevaerts: true the rss feed for this new page is wrong... now looking how to fix that. (didnt touch rss at all till now :-) )
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20:19:09archivatorSpeaking of RSS, what's up with the MajorChanges RSS? Does someone manually edit it or something? If not, your script is broken :)
20:20:39CIA-6New commit by 03Domonoky (r23935): fix rss feed for single themes.
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20:42:28domonokyrasher: why did you specifically wanted to avoid user logins on the themepage ?
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20:42:58rasherarchivator: It is? How so?
20:44:03rasherdomonoky: Just a personal preference - I hate having to sign up to do stuff. Plus it seems to me there's just more things that can go wrong once you start trusting some users more than others (by virtue of being logged in). Nothing important, really
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20:45:11archivatorrasher: whenever someone posts something to that list, I usually get two messages - the first one is improperly formatted (things like %BR% and %Y% _2009-11-24_) and the second one is the right one. It *could* in theory be google reader's fault, though I doubt it..
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20:45:50domonokyrasher: because i have a patch to allow users to login, and manage their themes. :-) But if that isnt wanted i can think of otherways to allow users to update their themes.
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20:46:31rasherdomonoky: no, it's fine - by all means. I just didn't personally want to do it.
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20:47:16gevaertsIf we don't want logins, checking that the email address used is the same should be easy
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20:48:37rasherarchivator: I can't make sense of why that would happen. I'll go over it another time
20:50:02archivatorrasher: that's okay, it's only a minor inconvenience :)
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20:55:23domonokygevaerts: yes, checking if email,name and themename matches for a update is easy. But remembering which theme to hide on validation might be a bit more difficult.
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20:56:12gevaertsdomonoky: all other themes with the same name?
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20:57:03domonokyinclude resolution into this checks and it should work..
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20:58:10gevaertsor just add a column with the id of the theme that this one is meant to replace
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20:58:20gevaertsThat will also give you a nice history trace
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20:59:53domonokygevaerts: sounds nice. dont know how difficult it is to add a row to a existing table
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21:01:15gevaertsdomonoky: it's easy :)
21:01:27gevaertssqlite3 supports the needed stuff to do it live
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21:01:40domonokyhm, looks like the theme page uses sqlite 2.8.17
21:02:11domonokyso no sqlite3
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21:02:20gevaertsoh, ok. Let me check that one
21:02:58domonokyotherwise we need a script to export, drop table,create table, import.
21:03:18gevaerts2 doesn't seem to support it
21:04:05gevaertsoh well, re-importing one table isn't that hard
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21:59:14webguest53if a theme has been released to the public domain can it be updated and agreed to by the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 Unported License ?
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22:01:17webguest53if a theme has been released into the public domain can it be edited and licencesed as Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 Unported License?
22:01:55martian67yes
22:02:09n1swebguest53: if a theme *is* in the public domain you can do *anything* with it, *but* just saying it's in the public domain is not usually possible and how do do this is usually subject to local laws etc and IANAL
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22:05:25n1sUnhelpful: speex has its own ilog2 function too.however i don't know how to handle the speex-as-voicefile-decoder case with regard to iram...
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22:07:31n1salso if you fel like benchmarking on a pp target, could you try http://pastie.org/739370, it gives a small speedup for codecs that use the mdct lib (vorbis, wma, aac) vorbis got 0.5% faster on coldfire and about 2% faster on the beast
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22:08:05n1swma and aac saw smaller speedups
22:08:46n1s...or someone else with a pp target of course ;)
22:09:43pixelmadon't you have a borrowed c200?
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22:10:23n1spixelma: i do, it's in sweden though and i am not :)
22:10:52pixelmahehe :)
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22:19:20fmlpixelma: hello. Could you look at FS #10843. This could even make it into the release ;-)
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23:22:52fmlIs anybody here who can build manuals? I'd like to compare my taste with yours (as described in FS #10843)
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23:25:24archivatorI'm starting to work with threads (in a plugin), and found a small ambiguity in the docs. Apparently, mutex_lock() is a blocking call but given the thread model in Rockbox, does that mean it also switches to another thread context?
23:25:37archivatorOtherwise, I can't see how you would use that to synchronize between two threads..
23:26:15domonokyarchivator: yes, when a thread blocks, other threads can run..
23:26:50archivatorMakes perfect sense.. I guess I was overthinking it :)
23:27:14domonokyevery blocking call lets the sheduler select another thread to run (if any thread is in a runable state)
23:28:04archivatorAh, so I don't have to relearn everything I know about threads, after all! Good.
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23:29:16domonokyyes, its similar to normal threading but easier, as you cant be interrupted anytime, so less protection needed.
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23:54:17kkurbjunJdGordon: I found at least one bug in svn with respect to the sbs
23:54:19kkurbjunthe line scrolling breats when you enter some submenus
23:54:23kkurbjunbreaks
23:54:43kkurbjunJdGordon: I found at least one bug in svn with respect to the sbs: The line scrolling breaks when you enter some submenus
23:56:01kkurbjunthe colors are still messed up going into plugins
23:56:20kkurbjunit seems to be changing the background color to the rockbox blue, but the foreground remains the same
23:56:39kkurbjunI double checked my background color and it is set to solid black
23:57:01tomersshotofadds: ping
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