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#rockbox log for 2009-12-30

00:05:02 Nick Xqtftqx||Away is now known as Xqtftqx (n=xqtftqx@d118-75-37-76.col.wideopenwest.com)
00:05:34Utchybannbaunegaard, pixelma: r23748: Enable wheel acceleration for iPod Nano 2G. I know the wiki is not up to date.
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00:07:03UtchybannThe wheel parameter for nano2g is the same as nano1g.
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00:09:06Utchybannthere was a bug in a timer used by the wheel driver (before r23747). I guess this is why linuxstb have to disable accel.
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00:21:01sampattuzziwhy can't I select Rockbox stable in the Rockbox utility any more?
00:21:26shift__Sorry if this isn't directly related to rockbox... but if I have a char byte, is there a way to read a specific bit from it?
00:23:55mcuelenaereshift__: we have #rockbox-community for that
00:24:22shift__thanks
00:24:23mcuelenaere(and the answer you're looking for is probably char & (1 << bit))
00:24:36shift__thanks again.
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01:36:44dr_kludgegreets, all!
01:36:57dr_kludgejust got rockbox 3.4 on a 3rd gen, 15 gb touch-wheel ipod.
01:37:01dr_kludgetwo problems
01:37:14dr_kludge1) the ipod doesn't shutoff under rockbox with a long play
01:37:39dr_kludge2) doesn't seem to charge under rockbox
01:38:06dr_kludgesimilar experiences, questions, or ideas?
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01:58:08sagemfreakhi i own a 4th gen ipod - but it charges well
01:58:38sagemfreakfor shutoff press pause key long
01:58:45sagemfreakthis should work
01:59:04sagemfreakmaybe your battery is bad
01:59:45dr_kludgesagemfreak: long play doesn't do it for shutoff.
01:59:50dr_kludgeand i'm sure the battery has issues,
01:59:57dr_kludgebut it shows full under rockbox,
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02:00:04dr_kludgebut continues to charge under apple.
02:00:14sagemfreakstrange ...
02:00:25sagemfreaki am no developer
02:00:28mc2739The charging problem is known to happen with some ipods. If you have problems charging, use the ipod firware to charge.
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02:01:28dr_kludgemc2739: that's the workaround i'm using.
02:01:48dr_kludgemc2739: i was hoping there was a fix. do you know of a bug on flyspray for that behavior?
02:03:34dr_kludgei read the faq question about shutoff on 1st and 2nd gen ipods,
02:03:44dr_kludgebut this is 3rd gen, supposedly different.
02:03:48mc2739dr_kludge: Sorry, no I don't. I do know that one of the developers has been working on a solution, but do not know the progress.
02:04:00dr_kludgemc2739: thanks.
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02:05:06saratogadr_kludge: there is an ipod charging patch on the patch tracker, but I'm not sure if it works on the 4G
02:05:11saratogaIIRC it was written for the 5G
02:05:23dr_kludgeyeah... but i've got a 3g.
02:05:27saratogaoh
02:05:42dr_kludgealso, doesn't seem to do anything.
02:06:07saratogai don't think anyone looked into charging on the 3G
02:07:00saratogathe 3G and earlier ipod ports are not very far along since they were already fairly old when the ipod ports began and not many people worked on them
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02:14:59dr_kludgesaratoga: i see. how picky are the devs about the specificity of bug reports?
02:15:10dr_kludgei'd be happy to acts as a tester, if there were movement on open reports.
02:15:18saratogadr_kludge: for charging?
02:15:31saratogai don't think a bug report is needed for that, its a known issue
02:15:42dr_kludgewhat about for shutdown?
02:15:52dr_kludge(if you missed that issue, i can reiterate)
02:16:02saratogahuh the wiki says the 3G does charge
02:16:43Unhelpfulamiconn: it appears there is some documentation of the libgcc library function names, and even some ability to control the functions called. this makes me a bit curious as to whether a custom function to call for these various calculations might be inline-able - though i'd guess the answer is no.
02:18:07Unhelpfuli think that making our udiv implementation replace the libgcc one throughout might be very doable, and it should be possible to do *reliably*...
02:18:26dr_kludgesaratoga: it's not that *doesn't* charge, more that it stops charging sooner than the apple fw.
02:20:56saratogadr_kludge: when you shutdown does your ipod just reboot or do nothing?
02:21:21dr_kludgeit doesn't respond at all to a long play, and the idle poweroff value seems to be ignored.
02:21:50dr_kludgeto shutdown, i have to follow the directions from the faq for 1g and 2g 'pods
02:22:11saratogamine shuts down, but it reboots back up right away
02:22:18saratogafrom the wiki: "SHUTDOWN: Doesn't work, will lockup with "shutting down" message"
02:23:09saratogaalthough that was added in 2006 so its not exactly up to date
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02:24:12saratogadr_kludge: might as well file a bug report on the shutdown issue
02:24:22saratogaworst case someone who knows better then us will close it
02:24:32dr_kludgei'll go ahead and do that.
02:24:42dr_kludgesimilarly bad behavior *is* mentioned on the wiki.
02:24:45dr_kludgejust noticed that.
02:26:58dr_kludgeah well, i'm probably just going to fix up this ipod
02:27:02saratogaha "2002 by Linus Nielsen Feltzing" from power-ipod.c
02:27:08saratogahe must have had a time machine
02:27:16dr_kludgeand trade it for an archos jukebox recorder.
02:27:40saratogawhy so many old targets
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02:28:45dr_kludgeheh.
02:28:52dr_kludgethe ipod was a hand-me-down,
02:29:02dr_kludgeand the jukebox is, feature-wise, the perfect gadget for me.
02:29:15dr_kludgei had one, and lost it.
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02:29:18dr_kludgeand i want it back ;)
02:29:33dr_kludge(1) recording directly to encoded files
02:29:51dr_kludge(2) hdd upgradeable to 120 gb for $50
02:30:02dr_kludge(3) doubles as AA battery charger
02:30:03saratogai would think a SWCODEC target with wavpack would be more appealing then HWCODEC for that
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02:30:33dr_kludge(4) gets 7 - 10 hours on contemporary rechargeable AAs
02:30:46dr_kludgei don't need the recording for anything fancy,
02:30:59dr_kludgeand the batteries and harddrive upgrade had me sold.
02:31:03dr_kludgealso, cheap.
02:31:11dr_kludgeweight and screen don't really matter to me.
02:31:57dr_kludgei know, i'm weird.
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02:35:09Unhelpfulhrm, it looks like the option to rename is at (gcc's) compile time. the names are still documented, though, and as long as we link our own support lib before libgcc we should get our own routines...
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02:41:59francHello.
02:42:05francI have a question
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02:44:00francI recently installed rockbox on my 5th generation ipod and so far it's working well but sometimes when I'm loading up menus/starting a song the hard drive starts running (you can hear it) and then you can hear the hard drive suddenly stop a few seconds after it starts ticking.. Is this normal?
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02:47:09comradekinguThere is no way for the firmware to read or write to the disk in a harmfull way, any noise is bound to be one of those, unless your drive started failing just when you installed rockbox
02:49:34franchm
02:49:34francok.
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03:32:02saratogadoes anyone have an idea why the cross compilers stopped building on MacOS in recent versions?
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06:54:26ED-209hey
06:54:45ED-209FS #5269 this task said it's been solved, but where is the new bootloader?
06:55:06ED-209is it a mistake that it's 100% solved?
06:56:42ED-209or complete I should say
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06:57:11ED-209I downloaded the latest build hoping it had been solved in that but obviously it is the bootloader
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08:12:19GodEaterwow - do we have Rockbox USB code working on the 2G Nano?
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09:02:09GodEaterI think we need something added to the wiki about how NOT to make donations. Or rather, what your expectations should be if you make one.
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09:07:31LloreanSomething along the lines of "don't expect them to influence project direction, etc"?
09:11:02GodEateryes
09:12:19GodEaterthe donations page needs a "Frequently Made Assumptions" section which specifically mentions bounties, and why in general we're not interested.
09:12:38GodEaterunless they're in the realm of millions of dollars that we can doll out to all 500 contributors :)
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09:27:03*GodEater makes the relevant changes
09:27:09GodEatercomments please
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09:35:57GodEaterI've only just got round to reading through the newly re-written bit on the front page about the devices Rockbox now runs on. I'd like to suggest changing the wording on the final line from "it is not supported" to "Rockbox does not run on it." Any thoughts?
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09:42:43pixelmaGodEater: I agree - and you could even change it yourself (just needs one of the Swedes to put up the new version)
09:45:17GodEaterI'd rather wait for a consensus before changing it - but thanks for your support ;)
09:56:01pixelmaI don't think there will be any objection to your suggestion. As far as I remember the homepage was changed along those lines already once (before the new lists)
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10:04:37GodEaterpixelma: do I need to checkout a different bit of svn to get the www pages?
10:05:03pixelmayes, the www module is seperate
10:05:14GodEaterdo you happen to know the path to it?
10:05:22GodEateror is it written down somewhere?
10:06:47pixelmajust replace the /rockbox at the end of the path with /www
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10:07:32GodEaterthanks
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10:08:04GodEaterdo you mean the rockbox that appears before trunk?
10:09:22pixelmaerr...
10:09:38*pixelma tries to remember
10:09:45GodEaterthe svn path I have for rockbox is svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk
10:10:01GodEaterI'm guessing that's not the right bit to change though, as it didn't work :(
10:10:29pixelmaoops, I think you need to replace /trunk then, my memory seems to trick me :\
10:10:35GodEaterah ok
10:10:38GodEaterwill try that
10:10:51GodEaterah ha
10:10:54GodEaterthat's doing something
10:11:06pixelmaI know I did it once and it was easy
10:11:34GodEater:)
10:11:46*GodEater makes life complicated for himself and uses git-svn
10:12:09pixelmablame yourself then ;)
10:12:16GodEaterI do - a lot. ;D
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10:14:36GodEaterheh - I just noticed FosWiki supports graphical smileys!
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10:23:13CIA-6New commit by 03bryan (r24123): Modified the front page on www.rockbox.org to make it clearer that if your player is not mentioned, then rockbox does not work on it at all, not that ...
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10:28:29GodEaterZagor / Bager : can you please do the honours with the front page now I've changed it? :)
10:32:15*pixelma hands GodEater a "d" - or a "4 with a tab" ;)
10:32:56GodEaterdid I do something stupid?
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10:33:27GodEaterah yes
10:33:40GodEatersorry B4gder / Bagder
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11:33:46Overand?
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11:34:51mcuelenaerepixelma: I'd like to commit the images in FS #10854 & FS #10852, but am unsure how to. perfectdrug said you should know?
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12:32:30pixelmamcuelenaere: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/LatexGuidelines#SVG_images is helpful. Sometimes epstopdf is a bit picky though and the result doesn't look like expected (sometimes if the svg uses transparencies or if there are "holes" in objects). You could also add the small images to the www module (PNGs with 80 pixels in their widest dimension). If you have problems with the pdf or png version you could also only commit the svg as a start and I'll
12:32:30pixelma have a look later (not today though)
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13:09:00mcuelenaerepixelma: is there a problem with exporting the SVG to PDF in Inkscape directly?
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13:22:46CIA-6New commit by 03mcuelenaere (r24124): Add Onda VX747/VX777 playerpics.
13:23:32pixelmamcuelenaere: never tried
13:23:45mcuelenaerepixelma: looks like that works fine
13:23:55mcuelenaerepixelma: do I need to edit some .tex files?
13:28:23pixelmaif the files are named correctly (as the related platform files specify), then the pics will be used automatically. I haven't looked though if the platform files already exsit
13:32:42mcuelenaerethey don't
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14:06:32WillyI deleted everything in my build dir, and ran 'make -j2'. What does this mean: "arm-elf-gcc: /home/uwill/rockbox/apps/plugins/boomshine.lua: linker input file unused because linking not done"
14:06:46mcuelenaere_Willy: you can ignore that
14:06:53WillyOK
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14:33:53WillyDoes RB know when my battery is fully charged?
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14:35:01Willye200R
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14:43:13bertrikWilly, yes
14:43:47WillyIs there a page that details what happens when full charge is detected?
14:46:02funmanbertrik: i'm looking at fs#10603, do you think i should start with your last patch or an older one ? your last patch from Oct 25th introduced new problems
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15:06:09sagemfreak_has someone knowledge about action.c - i am trying to track down FS #10883.
15:07:34sagemfreak_i suppose get_action_worker() is producing that bug
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15:20:03AstroBoiHi there, I just wanted to commend you guys on your excellent software. :D Only discovered it today and managed to put it on my iriver H10 after some screwing around. For some reason the auto util was a bit odd. Kept deleting the System/H10_20GC.mi4 file when installing .rockbox directory. But all good now!
15:22:16GodEateralways a pleasure to hear from a happy user
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15:26:11AstroBoiYeh, been wondering if something like this existed for a while
15:26:24AstroBoiactually i wanted something liek this about 3 years ago ;P
15:26:27GodEaterit's existed since about 2001 :)
15:27:07AstroBoiMature project then, I was about to look up when development was started :)
15:27:32GodEaterNot quite sure when the H10 port hit the bricks, but I imagine around 2006/7
15:28:18AstroBoi*nod*
15:28:56GodEaterthe H10 is very similar internally to the ipods of the same era, so the port was "easy" :)
15:29:01GodEaterfor various values of easy
15:29:09AstroBoiyeh
15:29:41AstroBoiAre people mad enough to work on visualisations? :P
15:30:30GodEaternot currently
15:30:40GodEaternothing stopping anyone though
15:30:58GodEatermost people value the battery life more than the trippy colours they might get
15:31:16AstroBoiAh itd always be fun to show sometihng like that off occasionally :)
15:31:16funmanisn't vu_meter a kind of visualisation?
15:31:29AstroBoifunman, yeah but very limited :)
15:31:47GodEaterwell there's plasma too
15:31:56GodEaterbut I've no idea how well it matches the music
15:31:57AstroBoithats just an animation isnt it?
15:32:35funmanplasma doesn't depend on music input
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15:33:46GodEaterthere's a project for some enterprising newbie then ;)
15:34:13AstroBoi;)
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15:36:01AstroBoiHeh, that was something that shit me with iriver before.. Just discovered that you can set the backlight to turn off at whatever time you could
15:36:31AstroBoithe iriver software only lets you set 5 or 30 seconds or something
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15:47:10rhodanIs the Cowon D2+ supported yet?
15:47:36GodEaterdefine "supported"
15:47:46GodEaterwe're still listing it as an unstable port
15:48:31rhodanCan I buy a D2+ and cound on you? :P
15:48:48GodEaterah, my mistake, I misread
15:49:06GodEaterthe D2 is the only one that's running Rockbox currently
15:49:52rhodanOK.
15:50:55rhodanThen I'll wait for the D2 to be available again. Is the SD slot driven purely by software? Will it support SDXC once RockBox implements it?
15:51:32GodEaterYes, and yes if we ever bother.
15:51:50rhodanWhy would you not bother?
15:51:59GodEaterin the same way that the early sansas all support SDHC under Rockbox, whilst their original firmwares do not.
15:52:05rhodanOk.
15:52:10GodEaterthere is no development roadmap for Rockbox
15:52:15rhodanI have a Sansa Fuze currently.
15:52:15GodEaterpeople do what they choose to
15:52:23GodEaterI'm only saying there is no guarantee
15:53:03rhodanIt's a V2 so RB doesn't run on it at all. Can you tell me anything about the D/A? Is it comparable to the one in the D2?
15:54:00rhodanThe Fuze seems to make clicking sounds when I change the volume. Would be cool to know whether it is a HW issue or not, and if RB would fix it once it was available.
15:54:03GodEaterI can't, because I'm not working on either port
15:54:17rhodankthx
15:54:32GodEaterI can tell you that the audio hardware in the early sansas is considered to be very poor
15:54:43GodEateror at least, badly shielded from the rest of the electronics
15:54:56GodEaterso it's possible the problem is a HW one
15:56:25rhodanPerhaps I could shield it manually :P
15:56:44rhodanWill filling it with epoxy do anything? ;)
15:56:45*GodEater does not endorse hardware modification
15:56:50GodEaterno
15:57:03GodEaterother than make it very likely it'll overheat
15:58:12nimaGodEater: Do you know which ones those are?
15:58:27GodEaterwhich ones what are?
15:58:37*GodEater is confused
15:59:06nimaI just bought two e280s (no idea which vesion) on eBay. Poor sound quality would make them *completely* not worth the 20-some dollars they cost me :-P
15:59:27GodEaterah, the e200 series was definitely a culprit
15:59:43GodEateriirc people complain of some buzzing noise that's heard when the buffer is filling from flash
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16:00:16GodEaterI don't actually own an e200 of any sort, so couldn't confirm or deny these claims however
16:00:28GodEaterI don't find it's a problem on my c200 though
16:00:37nimaAh
16:00:41GodEaterbut I'm also known to have tin ears :)
16:00:50GodEaterevilnick: eh? :)
16:00:55nimaMaybe something a few capacitors could fix?
16:01:11GodEaterthose $500 IEMs of yours were SO not worth it :)
16:01:25*rhodan ordered some Sennheiser IE 7
16:01:27GodEaternima: I think you're best doing a search on the forums about the issue
16:01:37nimaGodEater: Thanks
16:01:39GodEatermy recollections are incredibly vague on the matter
16:03:02GodEaterrhodan: hope they're worth it :)
16:03:39rhodanGodEater: they are. I'm just worried about the Sansa's quality.
16:04:02GodEaterget an ipod instead ?
16:04:02rhodanIt the lack of gapless makes me go mad, though.
16:04:20rhodaniPods have even worse DACs IIRC.
16:04:30GodEaterI disagree
16:04:39GodEaterbut you're entitled to your opinion
16:04:45GodEatersound quality being subjective and all
16:05:28rhodanI never actually listened to them. But I heard people moan.
16:06:04rhodanI mean, moan about the sound quality.
16:06:10rhodanNot in a sexual way.
16:06:16GodEaterthose people tended never to swap out the default ear buds...
16:06:21rhodanJust to make that clear
16:06:24GodEaterwhich were f***ing awful
16:06:34GodEatereven *my* ears could tell that
16:06:59rhodanNo, I acually heard it on a german HiFi forum, where they all use really expensive headphones.
16:07:10GodEaterah - one of *those* forums
16:07:21rhodanNo, not a voodoo forum.
16:07:23GodEaterand you read that they rate the sansas higher? :)
16:07:44rhodanA forum full of engineers who build their own amps and stuff.
16:07:47rhodanReally cool.
16:08:07GodEaterI think the hydrogenaudio people are fairly clued up
16:08:24rhodanI think, too
16:08:39GodEaterI'd be surprised if they rated the sansas over the ipod though
16:08:57scorcherhodan: for what its worth, my opinion is that at least out of the line out, the ipods have much better sound than the sansas...the ipods are known to have issues with low impedance headphones out of the headphone jack though
16:09:10rhodanOh I see.
16:09:17rhodanSo I'll get a Cowon?
16:09:24GodEaterah, Mr. "I own the most expensive earbuds of anyone here" has joined us :)
16:09:31scorcheshhhh ;)
16:09:47GodEatercongrats on the new puppy btw
16:09:51GodEatershe looks very cute
16:11:18GodEaterrhodan: there's also the gigabeat f/x to consider
16:11:46rhodanI need 40GB :P
16:11:55GodEateryes and?
16:12:02*GodEater owns a 40GB gigabeat
16:12:12rhodanOk, they have it. But where to buy them?
16:12:30GodEaterebay / craigslist / dodgy guys in rain coats on street corners ?
16:12:35*scorche is very pleased with the Gigabeat F series
16:12:41GodEateryes - it's pretty awesome :)
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16:13:40GodEaterthey make good bricks in towers of rockbox too :)
16:14:05rhodanCan I buy a MEG-F10S and swap the HDD?
16:14:24GodEateryes, but it'd have to be a single platter HDD
16:14:31GodEaterotherwise the back wouldn't fit on the player
16:14:44GodEaterand you have to make sure you get a compatible HDD
16:14:56GodEaterwe have a guide in the wiki somewhere
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16:17:27fmlDoes anybody experience the problem described in FS #10867 (backlight not working in sansa sim)? It renders the sansa sim unusable and I wonder why the corresponding commit hasn't been reverted yet.
16:18:31rhodanI can't find no Gigabeat F on the internet.
16:18:54funmanfml: can't it be fixed by not reverting a commit ?
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16:19:37funmanmc2739: can you try FS #10603 dbop_buttons4.patch on e200v2 ?
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16:20:44fmlfunman: maybe. But in all other cases serious bugs either have been fixed within minutes or hours or the corresponding commit were reverted until a proper patch has been prepared.
16:21:33funmani think the way to go is to pester mcuelenaere until he fixes it :)
16:21:38fmlThat's why I'm asking whether other people experience this. I think if they did there were a lot of screaming. But it seems there is not.
16:22:02scorcherhodan: this is getting a bit offtopic for this channel, but i see a few on ebay
16:22:17rhodanscorche: but none that ship to Switzerland :P
16:22:49*scorche sees 1 that does
16:22:57rhodanLink pls.
16:23:10*GodEater waits to snipe the auction!
16:23:32scorcherhodan: please join #rockbox-community and we can discuss this there, as this is offtopic for this channel
16:23:54rhodanscorche: you could've written that shorter.
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16:25:49kugelfunman: heh, I wanted to get back to the dbop patch now that I have a working fuze again
16:26:10kugelanyway, the last time I sync'd it didn't work on the e200v2
16:26:57fmlkugel: hello. Could you look at FS #10867 please? You said you saw the reason and a way to fix it back then.
16:27:08funmanthe diff isn't very big so I think it won't require too much work
16:27:55kugelfml: I have no time currently, I hoped you try the ideas I had
16:28:33fmlkugel: maybe tonight.
16:28:41fml (I mean myself)
16:30:01bertrikfunman, yes I think they method from my last patch has most promise
16:30:34funmanbertrik: i fixed the new problems in my last patch by adding back locking, not sure why you thought it was not needed anymore
16:31:01kugelI still would like to keep reading dbop while lcd updates on the fuze
16:31:18bertrikthe fundamental problem (at least on the fuze) is that the LCD can keep DBOP busy for 10 ms, while the scroll wheel needs 5 ms polling on the same DBOP bus, assuming that we don't want to interrupt the lcd_update
16:31:24kugelwell, only the scrollwheel bits can be read but those are the important bits
16:32:28bertrikthe idea in the latest patch is that lcd update is interrupted by the interrupt, which then waits for the DBOP FIFO to flush and then read the buttons
16:33:01bertrikmaybe this idea fails because the FIFO already indicates 'ready' while it is still busy with the latest transfer
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16:33:29funmankugel: do you mean we can read the scrollwheel bits without precharging DBOP_DOUT ?
16:33:36kugelyes
16:33:44mc2739funman: yes, I will try it now
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16:34:38funmanbertrik: we can't write to DBOP_DOUT while a LCD transfer is in progress
16:35:27kugelthe problem is not only that writing results in blue pixels, but also that it confuses the windowing
16:37:45kugelfunman: that only works on the fuze as it seems though
16:39:32funmankugel: i think you had written this in your last patch, no ?
16:39:51kugelthe one that doesn't work on the e200v2, yes
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16:48:07mc2739funman: Scrollwheel and hold switch do not work, all other buttons appear to work properly. Display looks good in menus and WPS, could not test mpegplayer due to lack of scrollwheel.
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17:01:01saratogamaybe its worth ifdef'ing FS #10603 for the Fuze
17:02:26mc2739saratoga: That would work. I'm not seeing the video glitches on the e200v2 and the scrollwheel works fine with the svn code
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17:18:23kugelsaratoga: i don't thik it's worth
17:18:57kugelthe idea is to combine the massive amount of duplicated code there, #ifdefing the whole patch for the fuze defeats the purpose
17:19:43kugelI must have made a change that broke the e200v2, since earlier patches worked
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17:21:02kugelmc2739: maybe you can try to make the delay in dbop-as3525.c not fuze-only
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17:40:40dsmithHowdy folks. Can an ipod running rockbox be controlled through the wired interface?
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17:48:22klapaucjuszTorne: I've looked at the issue you were having with huge AAC files.
17:48:33klapaucjuszMultiple bugs here, but after working around a few of those,
17:48:44klapaucjuszI've found the fundamental issue:
17:48:48klapaucjuszcodec_malloc is failing.
17:49:10saratogaklapaucjusz: well yeah
17:49:17saratogait fails when it runs out of memory
17:49:28saratogayou can't malloc at 3MB look up table on an MP3 player so it fails
17:49:59saratogadsmith: theres some ability to control it via the remote control interface (a rs232 type interface)
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17:50:55klapaucjuszsaratoga: hold on.
17:51:06saratogaklapaucjusz: IIRC the current parser mallocs something like 8 bytes per mpeg frame
17:51:48saratogaand a frame is just 1024/44100 seconds long, so it quickly exhausts the available buffer on large files (typically less then ~750KB but less then 100KB on some targets)
17:52:40klapaucjusz2 bytes per frame for the stsz,
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17:53:01klapaucjuszand the file Torne sent me has 1.2 million frames
17:53:20klapaucjuszWhere are the other large allocations?
17:54:23saratogaIIRC theres two tables its growing but its been so long i could be forgetting
17:54:55klapaucjuszstsz could probably be effectively run-length encoded, at a slight cost in runtime performance.
17:55:52saratogaback of the envelope is that the parser fails on files with more then about 130,000 frames for most targets
17:56:26saratogaso that works out to about 6 bytes per frame I guess
17:56:35saratogamaybe a short and an int32 table?
17:57:14saratogai always assumed there had to be a way to store fewer points in the lookup table
17:57:48saratogabut the mp4 file structure is so complicated with so many rules i wasn't sure if it was really safe to undersample the look up table, although it seemed to work when I tried it on itunes files at least
17:58:31klapaucjuszI see.
17:58:41klapaucjuszAnd does it tend to contain repeated values?
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17:59:42saratogaklapaucjusz: i think the values are offsets in the file, so they won't repeat, but they're predicatable for the files i looked at
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18:00:16saratogai could walk itunes files just by assuming that the i+1 value would be at i+length_of_ith_frame
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18:00:41saratogabut for all i know that fails horribly on files produced by other software
18:00:48klapaucjuszsaratoga: improved debugging in MP4 demux, http://rockbox.pastebin.com/m1db15a5
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18:01:11klapaucjuszMight be useful to commit.
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18:02:20dsmithsaratoga, Thanks
18:02:26saratogaklapaucjusz: fwiw i'll try and get your stuff commited after we branch for 3.5, whenever that is
18:02:46klapaucjuszsaratoga: thanks.
18:03:48klapaucjuszConcerning stsz −− aren't you confusing with stsc, which contains file offsets?
18:04:31klapaucjuszAnd no, it won't work in general, since mp4 has facilities for padding between chunks, IIRC.
18:04:52*klapaucjusz goes back to the drawing board
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18:10:52sagemfreak_has anybody started a piezo driver for ipod nano2g?
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18:13:01Utchybannsagemfreak_: have you tried FS #5111 ?
18:13:23tomerskugel: ping
18:14:33saratogaFS #5111 seems like something that should have gone in by now
18:14:49sagemfreak_Utchubann: no - but ive already read the tasklist
18:15:14sagemfreak_utchybann: there was only arm target in the patch
18:15:33sagemfreak_ipod nano 2g isnt arm or is ist?
18:15:43saratogaarm
18:15:47saratogawhat is ist
18:15:55sagemfreak_isnt :-)
18:16:01saratogaoh
18:16:06sagemfreak_small keyboard :-)
18:16:19sagemfreak_i will try
18:16:29tomersjdgordon: ping
18:17:02saratogai don't see any arm specific code in that patch anyway, so I wouldn't worry too much about ISA, its the least of your worries
18:17:36sagemfreak_thanks
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18:19:35sagemfreak_btw: ive found a clickwheel-slider related bug in the current rockbox version. ive submitted a bugreport and a patch: FS #10883
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19:11:55saratogais the voice issue on the clip likely to be intractable, or can voice files be reduced to under 100KB while still being useful?
19:12:11saratogaif not, maybe we should just disable voice on the clip and note in the manual that theres not enough memory for it to work
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19:35:46Lloreansaratoga: amiconn things we should be able to free up quite a bit more RAM.
19:36:26LloreanIt might be wise to note that under current circumstances voice won't work for the forseeable future in the manual, since no matter what happens it'll probably involve some significant rework.
19:37:26LloreanThough I don't know what quality spx we encode voice at.
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20:00:35CIA-6New commit by 03dionoea (r24127): Add bitmaps for correct and wrong flags when showing the full board. (Feel free to change the graphics)
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20:02:14fmlkugel: ping. What values are possible for CONFIG_BACKLIGHT_FADING? _SW, _PWM and _TARGET? Nothing else?
20:02:32kugelSW has to kinds
20:02:36saratogaLlorean: loading voice from disk combined with an LRU cache might be an option for flash targets
20:03:10fmlkugel: where is it explained?
20:03:50Lloreansaratoga: That's actually what I suggested.
20:04:20saratogait seems like the best solution
20:04:28LloreanSince even if you use menus a lot, it's usually just a few of them (context, playlist, etc)
20:05:20kugelthere's a wiki page about it
20:06:03fmlkugel: I mean where are those symbols declared? They are probably (hopefully) commented there. I can't find them.
20:06:03kugelfml: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/BacklightFading
20:06:10kugelconfig.h
20:06:46fmlAh, the wiki page is even better!
20:08:04tomerskugel: ping
20:08:15kugeltomers: pong
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20:09:01tomersHave you read my response to FS #10882? I would like to discuss this with you, as I apparently don't quite understand your suggestion
20:10:02GodEatersaratoga: ping
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20:10:42saratogaGodEater: pong
20:11:19GodEaterthe change I made to that wiki page today was a reflection of the responses we've typically given to bounty approaches - perhaps it was premature though
20:11:58kugeltomers: I don't understand the need for those special tokens for viewports and AA
20:11:58GodEaterperhaps we ought to solicit an actual opinion from our regulars about what to say there?
20:12:20Spaceexist a project to integrate the TTS technology to Rockbox?
20:12:20kugelsurely a single conditional rtl tag would solve all problems?
20:12:40Spaceis a intersting idea
20:12:41saratogai don't think having a specific policy makes all that much sense since we have in the past accepted a lot of money from google for instance
20:12:44tomerskugel: Can you please look at the screenshot in the FS item? This is what I would like to achieve
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20:13:01saratogamaybe we should just say that its expensive to hire programmers and its best not discussed on the forums
20:13:14tomerskugel: I don't understand how the conditional you suggest will be used. Can you please explain?
20:13:36GodEatersaratoga: perhaps. Since the typical offer of a bounty is in the tens of dollars we ought to just point out that's an unrealistic amount to pay a programmer for their time?
20:13:41saratogaand decide on a case by case basis if someone is actually serious about it
20:13:48kugel%[rtl tag here]?<%Vda|%Vdb> etc
20:13:54saratogathat makes sense
20:13:56SpaceI am thinking something of... make that in te computer, or someone recorder it for each song
20:13:58GodEaterthe point about how and when to pay still stands I think
20:14:05saratogayeah thats fine
20:14:06GodEaterwe'd need some sort of escrow service
20:14:19GodEater*if* someone was serious
20:14:24Spacethe only necesary maybe will that Rockbox can sincronyze anytime of the song
20:14:31saratogai just dislike having a policy that seems to imply we place additional limits on how source can be developed that are not in the GPL
20:14:33Spacethe song with that sound
20:14:36Spaceis that possible?
20:14:50GodEatersaratoga: feel free to modify the page then :)
20:14:53Spaceeasy, or someone is necesary to that?
20:15:08saratogaok
20:15:09tomerskugel: But that requires defining four VPs - AA? (yes/no), RTL? (yes/no)... It will be some sort of hell...
20:15:22Spacea simple mp3 player can't sincronize two sound anywhere?
20:15:26kugelso?
20:15:30*gevaerts agrees with saratoga
20:15:32kugelit's way more flexible afterall
20:16:01GodEatergevaerts: it does seem a rather divisive issue
20:16:02kugelnot all themes will look nice when it's simply mirrored, it a lot depends on the backdrop and might need fine tuning
20:16:28tomersbut it's not smart :-( And it will be hard to write WPS this way (at least one that is RTL friendly)
20:16:41kugeland then you might want other tags to be aware too, and end up with special casing hundreds of tags
20:16:59kugelthe WPS language is not meant to be easy, it's meant to allow for flexbile layout
20:17:44tomerskugel: Well, I'll try doing so. This is basically what pixelma suggested in the following thread: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=23332.msg159054#msg159054
20:18:11kugelwe traditionally do those things via conditional tags, what you is breaking this tradition by introducing special cases
20:19:00tomerskugel: We already got RTL conditional, so I'll try implementing it in the WPS by using this conditional
20:19:21tomersBTW who knows something about fonts here?
20:19:21gevaertsGodEater: maybe. I think it's unlikely that someone will offer an amount of money big enough for this to be a real issue though
20:19:34kugelI'm very sure you can do what your screenshot show and much more using the conditional
20:19:58tomerskugel: Thanks for your help. I'll try. Meanwhile let's keep the FS item open.
20:21:33saratogaGodEater: done
20:21:34saratogahopefully this is acceptable
20:22:37GodEaterlooks perfect
20:23:01GodEateralthough I'd specify US dollars :)
20:23:16GodEaterwe don't want someone offering some cheap knockoff dollars ;)
20:23:17*gevaerts likes it
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20:27:38GodEaterI can't think of anything else I'd change
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20:28:48fmlkugel: a quick try didn't bring any success. I'll leave fixing to mcuelenaere or someone else who knows that code better. But it's a pity that such bug sits there for so long. Imagine it was on target!
20:30:39kugelI hope I can find some time to look at it soon
20:32:40fmltomers: what do you want to know about fonts? I know a little bit about how they are generated. But nothing about rendering.
20:34:03Spacesomeone read, what I wrote?
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20:41:14tomersfml: I'm working on integrating Hebrew letters into some of the fonts...
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20:56:38tomersfml: I just found the answer to a question I wanted to ask you :-) I'll contact you if I have any other question
20:56:41tomersthanks anyway
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22:06:11Spaceexist a project to integrate the TTS technology to Rockbox?
22:07:19pamaurywhat is TTS ?
22:09:11saratogatext to speech
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22:15:12domonokySpace: rockbox can already speak (with pregenerated clips),and i think there is some old work-inprogress patch for epeak on rockbox in flyspray.
22:17:05JdGordon1which died because of licensing issiues
22:17:08JdGordon1issues*
22:18:03Spacedomonoky, at the same time that the song is playing?
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22:18:19domonokySpace: yes.
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22:19:01SpaceI will search of that, with what name? TTS? speak? domonoky, to find documentation on rockbox's page
22:20:50domonokysearch the wiki for "voice".
22:22:42domonokythere are two parts: a voicefile with the clips for all the menus, and optionally talkfiles to speak all your files and folders. rbutil should be able to generate all of this for you with the TTS of your choice.
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22:47:57Spacethanks domonoky
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22:48:00SpaceI could find
22:51:11JdGordon1so whats the story with 3.4?
22:51:49gevaertsJdGordon1: that was released in september!
22:52:03JdGordon1ok, 3.5 then
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