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#rockbox log for 2010-01-04

00:06:39gevaertsDoes anyone have an idea about;type=gigabeatsboot ?
00:10:23gevaertslooks like a race in the build client to me
00:12:02kugel_gevaerts: I think we've seen this on other clients as well
00:14:08gevaertscould be. I don't remember it though
00:14:35gevaerts;type=archosplayer is a rather common one as well
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00:20:10saratogathats a weird error
00:20:21saratogais it build system specific or just due to using make -j?
00:20:52gevaertsI don't know
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00:21:30gevaertsit's not machine specific at least, I've seen it for lots of clients
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00:47:56Unhelpfulso, on eabi i think div and divmod library functions should just alias each other. on oldabi just wrap the divmod implementation and mov r0, r1 before returning, or go ahead and reuse the div/mod body and store the mod result in r0? also matters in terms of signed operations, as these can either wrap unsigned ones, with sign correction, or incorporate the unsigned divide body within themselves.
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01:14:33jaeCan I quietly assume that the on the Wiki (at the bottom here is GPL-licensed? Or how do I contact the author... and before that, how do I find out who the author is?
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01:17:25domonokyjae: wiki history should tell you who added that script.. dont know about the licence.
01:19:39liari have updated my patch at fs#10775. if someone sees linuxstb or TheSeven please tell them...
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01:23:31liarsagemfreak: hi
01:23:38liarsagemfreak: have you got the nand id?
01:23:47liarsagemfreak: btw i've updated my patch
01:23:58sagemfreakwe have to wait till 11th i think
01:24:11sagemfreakthen holyday is over
01:24:38sagemfreakand i will meet my colleague
01:26:26liarokay, thanks in advance
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01:39:57sagemfreakkugel: ping
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02:38:38flybackno one has pulled off a cf with flex-ide interface to flash hack yet?
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02:41:01kugelsagemfreak_: pong
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03:18:58JdGordon|amiconn: pong?
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03:30:22*flyback bbl
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04:46:56Jhonny5Hi all
04:48:02flybackit's johnny5
04:48:21*flyback beats Jhonny5 with a brautworst
04:49:23Jhonny5flyback, why ?
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04:49:36flybacknevermind :P
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05:04:00jhoI'm having some strange problems with the iPod Nano 2g port. For one, the "Building database" never finishes.. It stalls at "341 found", even when I only have around 30 tracks on the HDD right now. System -> Debug -> database info shows -1% completion
05:05:33jhoThe second problem I'm having is that I can't browse the files I have on the HD. When I press select or next at the file prompt, it just flashes some icon at the upper right corner of the screen (reading from HD?), and throws the selector at the top of the list
05:06:14jhoIf I manage to ascend into some directory by repeatedly mashing the select or next buttons, it throws me to the root when I try to change to any other directory inside that one
05:07:34jhoAnd I can't mount the iPod on my computer without first booting into the Apple firmware
05:08:09jhoWith Rockbox running, all I get is [36751.879960] sdb: unknown partition table
05:08:26evilnickDoes it work correctly using the OF?
05:08:53jhoOF? Original firmware? Yeah, I can mount it when I boot into it
05:09:12evilnickTry doing a disk check on the OF
05:16:54jhoNo errors, and still doesn't work
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05:18:33S_a_i_n_tUSB HID?
05:19:03jhoI've tried with both yes and no
05:19:59S_a_i_n_thmmmm....on win OS my 2g HATES HID set to yes
05:20:10jhoWith USB HID on, my dmesg gets flooded with stuff like "ehci_hcd 0000:00:1a.7: detected XactErr len 0/8 retry 1"
05:20:24S_a_i_n_tstill unstable....
05:20:28jhoNo idea what that really means though ;p
05:20:41S_a_i_n_tis it just the USB stuff that's keep it listed as unstable?
05:20:44S_a_i_n_tanyone know?
05:21:38S_a_i_n_twhat's the USB keypad mode set to?
05:21:55S_a_i_n_tmy 2g HATES it set to anything other that multimedia
05:22:16jhoI've tried them all, too :)
05:22:49jhoWith multimedia mode I get a panic when unplugging, with the other two nothing really happens. Dmesg output still remain mostly same for all of them
05:23:36jhoActually. Now I just unplugged with multimedia mode without getting a panic...
05:23:47jhoBut I got it the first time I tried. Strange.
05:24:20S_a_i_n_twell, all I know is that my win OS won't detect my 2g Nano with USB HID set to ON, and USB Keypad mode set to anything other than Multimedia
05:24:34S_a_i_n_tbut it's not a stable port yet, so I can't really cry about it
05:25:38jhoMy Linux box detects it with all modes, but can't mount it.
05:26:52mc2739jho: you might want to look at FS #10775 - this seems to help some nano2g filesystem problems
05:27:22S_a_i_n_thave you tried it on a Win OS?
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05:28:52jhomc2739: Thanks, that looks quite much what I'm experiencing too
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05:44:41S_a_i_n_tjho...if it works for you, could you send me an email?
05:46:26jhoS_a_i_n_t: Sure. :) Though I guess I'll be staying here in IRC too
05:48:05S_a_i_n_twell, if I'm still here (which I should be) don't worry, just gimme a bell :P
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06:00:30S_a_i_n_tjho: I was reading about that patch, and it seems like it's more orientated towards crashes and panics when writing to the NAND...would that affect an OS from detecting the DAP?
06:03:26jhoS_a_i_n_t: I sure hope so. :p Actually, if I could just create the database and browse the file system that'd be all I need. I could boot into the Apple firmware to put stuff in there
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06:04:25jhoAfter unplugging I'm getting a panic and FTL errors though, so I'm having at least partly the same issues as in the bug too
06:06:27S_a_i_n_twhat size Nano is it?
06:06:33S_a_i_n_t1, 2, 4?
06:06:33jho2 GB
06:07:17S_a_i_n_thmmm, I *occasionally* get a panic that results in a reboot and DFU mode...fuck knows whats causing that.
06:07:23S_a_i_n_tdoesn't sound like the same thing
06:07:38S_a_i_n_tbut mine is 2g too
06:07:48S_a_i_n_t2g AND 2G
06:09:26S_a_i_n_tit panics (but I never get a chance to read anything other than PANIC), reboots, then displays an odd battery icon in the middle of the screen, that fades...then it beeps (REALLY loud) and when I reboot manually it's in DFU mode *sigh*
06:09:46jhoOh sweet. A panic. "nand_power_up:nand_reset:2"
06:09:52jhoWith the patch that is
06:10:14S_a_i_n_tthat's sweet?
06:10:21S_a_i_n_tor was that sarcasm?
06:12:02S_a_i_n_thave you ever heard of the panic, reboot, odd-icon beep, reboot to DFU thing I described?
06:12:22S_a_i_n_tI wouldn't know where to start looking to fix that up...
06:12:26jhoJust an ordinary panic ;p
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06:16:09S_a_i_n_tI almost had a fit when my iPod started beeping at me like that...I'd never heard it make such a loud noise before...or any noise other than a slight 'click' actually.
06:17:25gibbon_i ONCE hat a situation similar to that on my mini 1g
06:18:09gibbon_without that battery icon beep... and rebooting was to the diagnostic menu (which i first saw that day, not knowing how to get there again)
06:18:28gibbon_but it was when i still was using apple os on that machine
06:18:44S_a_i_n_tyou may not of even noticed the batt icon fades VERY quickly
06:18:53S_a_i_n_tand its not an icon I'm used to seeing
06:19:18gibbon_the mini has a "your battery REALLY has drained" battery icon
06:19:26S_a_i_n_tit had a tiny triangular 'yeild' type icon overtop of an empty battery cell
06:19:49gibbon_which is basically a battery of twice the size of tokyo
06:20:02S_a_i_n_tin the dead center of the screen, that faded REAL quick..then I had to reboot, and was in DFU mode
06:20:23S_a_i_n_tie: your iPod is Fucked...please use GayTunes to resore it.
06:20:52gibbon_but i guess i am talking of a completely unrelated issue here... it just also had a very loud noise that annoyed me... and a lot of other people around
06:21:50S_a_i_n_tit sounds similar....its stil iPod that really loud beep probably means the same thing...
06:22:05S_a_i_n_twhatever that is....
06:22:09gibbon_but still i am not able to reproduce
06:22:13S_a_i_n_tmy battery was FAR from empty
06:22:17gibbon_because its another device :/
06:22:18S_a_i_n_tit was full in fact.
06:23:13S_a_i_n_ti *thought* it may be a 'rapid discharge' some cellphones have...but I doubt that.
06:23:34gibbon_i have to go to work now... ill be back in about 30 minutes
06:23:50jhoThe database actually works and I can browse the FS with
06:24:16*jho dances
06:24:29S_a_i_n_thmmmm, I'd try it, by my problem sounds more and more different to yours as time goes on
06:24:41S_a_i_n_ti could always browse the file system and use the DB
06:25:00jhoYeah, I think I had two issues :)
06:25:10jhoThe worse one was fixed with that one
06:25:49jhoWoot, I can now mount it too
06:26:12S_a_i_n_tso, it was one issue?
06:26:24*S_a_i_n_t is eating...bbs
06:26:30jhoSeems like that
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06:28:56mc2739jho: could you add a comment to that task with your symptoms and results?
06:30:12jhoSure :)
06:30:19jhoCan guests add comments or do I need to register?
06:30:35S_a_i_n_tcomments on....?
06:30:36mc2739no, you will need to register
06:30:46S_a_i_n_toh...yeah, register.
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06:38:06CIA-6New commit by 03kkurbjun (r24175): Commit FS #10594 - Remove duplicated buttonlight code for Gigabeat F/X.
06:45:49mc2739no, you will need to register
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07:58:00S_a_i_n_tdoes anybody know why the 1st & 2nd Gen Nano SIM's are so wildly disproportionate? Not just in themselves, but from each other? the 2nd Gen is about 20% larger in the real life, they're the same size.
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08:47:49GodEaterS_a_i_n_t: in answer to your question, I would imagine it's because the background images are simply different sizes - the screensize on each looks the same to me.
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08:59:53LloreanGodEater: I think in terms of bookmarks the problem mentioned more relates to simply the UI for accessing them
09:00:10LloreanTo a lot of people bookmarks are like webpage bookmarks - they contain the information for both the file and the location.
09:00:29LloreanSo they'd expect to see a listing somewhere of files that have bookmarks in them, and then after selecting the file, a list of times bookmarked.
09:00:35LloreanSomething like the playlist catalogue but for bookmarks.
09:00:48GodEaterprobably so - I wanted to make a small UI improvement once, which was to keep the bookmark in the same directory as the files it relates to, instead of the parent directory
09:00:53LloreanSo it's not really to do with the bookmark format but just how the existing ones are accessed.
09:00:54GodEaterand I couldn't work out how to do it :(
09:01:14*Llorean thinks it might be nice if all the bookmarks were kept in one /.rockbox/bookmarks directory.
09:01:32LloreanBut there'd probably be issues with duplicate filenames.
09:01:40S_a_i_n_tnot an entirely bad idea...
09:01:48S_a_i_n_tbut I've got used to where they are now
09:02:11GodEaterLlorean: that was the other thing I thought about implementing too - but it's really not straightforward
09:02:28LloreanGodEater: Maybe if the format ever improves, then.
09:02:56S_a_i_n_tdo people expect them to *not* be in the files .dir?
09:02:57GodEaterit got to the point where I thought that if I ever wanted those things in there, bookmarks might as well get re-written from scratch
09:03:37LloreanS_a_i_n_t: If you're used to bookmarking in almost any other software, there's a menu or menu entry named "bookmarks" that you simply select to see your bookmarks
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09:04:03S_a_i_n_twhat about, if a bmark is created, turn on recent bmark listing by default?
09:04:05LloreanThink IE, firefox, media player classic, VLC and others
09:04:35LloreanRecent bookmarks aren't too helpful if you create a lot of them, and it's a very awkward list since it's simply organized by time. Even with uniques only enabled, it's not what users are trained to expect by other software.
09:04:45LloreanIt would alleviate the issue, but not resolve it.
09:05:05S_a_i_n_twhat about looking at how bmarks are named then
09:05:48LloreanIf a user's expecting to find bookmarks in the menu somewhere, no amount of clever file naming is going to put the bookmark file in front of the user so they can spot it.
09:06:04S_a_i_n_tgood point
09:06:17S_a_i_n_tit has to be idiot-proof to be effective
09:06:35S_a_i_n_tand not get a bitchy comment in the forums
09:06:40LloreanNot necessarily idiot-proof
09:07:04LloreanBut to be easy to figure out, it needs to be somewhat similar to the current expectation of bookmarks - that there's a list of them to be found in a menu choice.
09:07:15LloreanAlmost everything I can think of off the top of my head does it that way.
09:08:07S_a_i_n_twell, in that doesn;t really matter where they're put, just how, and where they're listed.
09:08:23LloreanMore or less, yes.
09:08:27GodEatereesh - that screenshot of how he wants the EQ to look is a waste of time
09:08:38GodEaterthere's very few targets with enough screen real estate to do it
09:08:39S_a_i_n_ttell me about it
09:08:56S_a_i_n_tit's kinda sad 'cos he must of gone to a lot of effort.
09:09:07LloreanGodEater: Wasn't rasher (I think) working on something like that?
09:09:13GodEaterno idea
09:09:17LloreanI know somebody was.
09:09:24LloreanMaybe linuxstb.
09:09:35GodEaterit won't fit on the same screen on most targets though
09:10:24S_a_i_n_twould it be correct to say that *most* peoples 'problems' with rockbox stem from having prior expectations of what it *should* do?
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09:10:36GodEaterS_a_i_n_t: that's my belief
09:10:57GodEatera lot of people when they first install it say something along the lines of "my OF did X - why doesn't rockbox do X?"
09:11:00LloreanThe expectations that come from the OF we're often unlikely to be able to fix.
09:11:01S_a_i_n_tHmmm.....some pppl (gui guy) are more passionate than others it seems
09:11:18LloreanThe expectations that are more general things (like the bookmarking thing) probably make sense to improve since they'd bring some ease of use even to those of us who know how it works
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09:12:46S_a_i_n_tbut when people say "it should be easier to use", it'd be nice if they continued with " implementing X, or Y"
09:13:14GodEaterwhich is the point we've kept trying to stress whenever someone says that
09:13:22LloreanThat's what we usually say right up front when someone starts down that path - please name specific examples of how you'd improve it, rather than what you'd improve.
09:14:06S_a_i_n_tI like the "why has noone ported to X Device yet...?" posts...
09:14:15S_a_i_n_talways get an amusing answer.
09:14:55S_a_i_n_tor the "rockbox broke my DAP" posts...
09:15:33S_a_i_n_tyou guys probably don't enjoy them quite so much...
09:15:58GodEaterthat's an understatement
09:16:14GodEaterand probably one of many reasons why Llorean "retired" as forums admin
09:16:48S_a_i_n_tand how he got to <10K posts...
09:16:55LloreanNah. I retired because I was getting more complaints than I liked from the non-user side of the fence too.
09:17:37S_a_i_n_tthe L.L.O.R.E.A.N accronym in Golden Quotes is amusing.
09:17:54GodEater*most* of the stuff in GoldenQuotes is amusing ;)
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09:18:28S_a_i_n_tcut&paste Pod Touch guy is my personal fav :D
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09:20:07S_a_i_n_tI read the IRC log for that, and he got so pissed off in IRC I would of thought he'd of tried a little harder with the image
09:20:24S_a_i_n_t"my ccamera's alittle buggy"...pfffft
09:20:53*S_a_i_n_t finishes ranting
09:34:02S_a_i_n_tIf I was going to put up a link to pre-built Dict description files on the Forum, where would I put it, Plugins or General Discussion?
09:35:32LloreanYou wouldn't.
09:35:37LloreanPermanent links to stuff don't belong on the forums.
09:36:35S_a_i_n_tit's not permanent...expires if it's not used in 30 days.
09:37:12S_a_i_n_tis there a better place I could put it? or just no?
09:37:13LloreanEven then.
09:37:21LloreanThe forums are for discussion, not posting links etc.
09:39:47LloreanWhat's the license on the files you'd like to share?
09:41:30S_a_i_n_tthey're just user generated dict descriptions, so currently, none.
09:42:27S_a_i_n_twas there something specific about Wordnets license stopping them being included, or was it just because they're huge?
09:42:49*S_a_i_n_t thought it was the latter.
09:43:52LloreanMost likely the size, yes.
09:44:06LloreanIt could be included in the "extras" download, or as its own extra.
09:44:20LloreanIt has a specific license of its own, that must be included with any distribution of it.
09:46:13S_a_i_n_twell, it doesn't include the Wordnet files themselves, just the output from wn2rdf
09:46:22S_a_i_n_tdoes that count?
09:46:52LloreanIt's a modified version of the original dictionary, right? Modified to be usable with the plugin?
09:47:50S_a_i_n_tyes rather.
09:48:02LloreanYou really should read licenses if you want to get involved with Rockbox in any way. They're important.
09:48:54LloreanThe wordnet one says you have permission to create modified versions of their files, but sets out the terms under which you may do so and distribute them.
09:49:31*S_a_i_n_t will have a look at them now...
09:49:43S_a_i_n_tand thanks.
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10:46:18amiconnJdGordon: Forget that ping. Problem is solved already; it existed way longer than what I thought first.
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11:51:01liarjho: please try the latest patch from fs#10775? (it shows more debug info) i really need to know why it fails for you
11:57:21jhoOkay, gimme a sec :)
12:05:22jholiar: Okay, I added a comment on the tracker
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12:09:04liarplease comment out line 192 from firmware/target/arm/s5l8700/ipodnano2g/nand-nano2g.c
12:09:07liarand try it again
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12:16:55jholiar: Then it panics on nand_wait_status_ready:2
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12:17:21jho(Sorry for the delay btw, I'm on my old laptop now and compiling is a pain)
12:18:41liarit seems like there is something wrong with bank 2
12:20:25liartry to add a sleep(HZ/20); before nand_wait_status_ready
12:22:30jhoStill panicing
12:23:29liarvery interessting
12:24:29jhoI can't be sure if the hardware is fully functional though.. I bought this one just when the 2g models came out, so it's a bit aged ;p
12:24:48jhoBut I'd imagine that it'd be misfunctioning in some other way too if that was the case...?
12:26:59liari need to talk with TheSeven.. but it seems like there is something wrong with your nand
12:27:14liarkeep the sleep in nand_reset and comment nand_wait_status_ready
12:28:38liarjho: if that still panics there is something wrong with your nand(but would have seen other panics before if that was the case)
12:29:39jhoNope, doesn't panic now
12:30:07liaryour NAND is even stranger than mine
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12:31:32liarjho: i think you can reduce that sleep to sleep(0);
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12:33:32jholiar: Yeah, seems to work with sleep(0)
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12:45:10liarjho: in case TheSeven or linuxstb return someday it will propably added to svn
12:45:20liarbe added*
12:45:30B1erhey, i have a few questions: 1. I own a Archos 2, can i use rockbox with it ? (It isn't clear to me by checking the list) and 2. if i can't use it, are there alternatives ?
12:46:11jhoB1er: There's a list of supported Archos devices at the front page of
12:46:29B1erit isn't clear to me by checking the list, can i get a definite answer ?
12:46:41jhoThe answer depends highly on the model of your player
12:47:03B1eri own a archos2
12:47:03jhoUnfortunately I don't own a crystal ball, so I can't provide a definite answer with the information you've given us
12:47:40B1erwhat has a crystall ball todo with a mp3 firmeware ?
12:48:03B1erand what do you need for a definite answer ?
12:48:13jhoArchos2 == Archos Recorder V2?
12:48:29pixelmaI doubt it
12:49:28B1erit just says archos 2. i don't think it's a recorder can you give me a picture ?
12:50:07jhoActually I was mistaken. There does exist a thing called Archos 2
12:50:14pixelmaB1er: Rockbox only runs on some older Archo models. The current build page has some small pictures
12:50:18jhoWould your player be anything like that?
12:50:21B1ereah exactly
12:50:29B1eryeah exactly
12:50:35B1erand i m very unhappy with the firmeware
12:51:10jhoUnfortunately that model doesn't seem to be in the stable ports list.
12:51:18jhoSo no, you probably can't use Rockbox with it
12:51:46pixelmathen no, and I don't know about other alternatives (and don't think anyone else around here will)
12:51:58B1erhm... and another question i have: i can't seem to find files on the storage that point out to run the firmeware, is there a way to see those files ?
12:52:11B1er(about the firmeware)
12:52:38topikfirmware. only one e
12:53:11topikand that seems more of a question of an archos channel/forum. it is unrelated to rockbox
12:53:57B1eryeah, but i m wondering how you did get the files ? so i thought you might know the solution for it
12:54:35B1eri see 2. possibilities: 1 . archos gave it to you or 2. you extracted it somehow
12:55:13topik3. a firmware update is available for download
12:55:20pixelmawell, things might have changed in Archos firmwares since then
12:55:30pixelma(4) ;)
12:55:49B1erokay, i get the point: you don't know about the newer versions :| okay, thanks for your help.
12:55:59topikgood luck on your quest
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12:57:43pixelmahmm... wanted to tell him something still but
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14:04:02S_a_i_n_tHas anyone noticed that scrolling lines on pictureflow are broken? (nano 2g, r24175)
14:04:28S_a_i_n_tChars tha hit the left side of the screen get stuck there.
14:05:39Torneraise a bug? :)
14:06:02S_a_i_n_tjust wanted to check if it's just me first...
14:07:47Tornedoes that make a difference? it shouldn't do it for anyone
14:08:31topikif you give me a minute to enable the database i'll try it too
14:10:07S_a_i_n_tfilename needs to be long enough to scroll off the left side
14:10:20topikwhy does enabling the database require a reboot anyway?
14:10:52S_a_i_n_tsometimes it does, soemtimes it doesn;t
14:11:00topikit says it does
14:11:11evilnickThe first one does
14:11:17topikbut why
14:11:17S_a_i_n_thavn't figuerd out the correlation between the two yet though
14:11:28topiki have your issue too, S_a_i_n_t
14:11:35topikletter stuck on the left side
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14:11:43S_a_i_n_tyeah, weird huh?
14:11:57topikwell i was not too surprised after you just called it
14:12:04S_a_i_n_tI thought it was all scrolling at first, but it's just pictureflow fom what I know
14:12:07topikwould have been weirder at this point if it didn't happen for me
14:12:39S_a_i_n_tno, not weird you have it too, weird it does it at all.
14:13:04Torneenabling the database requires a reboot if there isn't a suitale buffer to uild the dataase in
14:13:17Torneif you have dircache or various other things turned on then it steals the buffer from that to build it
14:13:28Torneif it can't steal enough buffer space you have to reboot
14:13:30S_a_i_n_tthanks torne
14:13:37S_a_i_n_tappreciated, honestly
14:13:55topikmy nano must have a puny buffer then. thanks for the info
14:14:12topikS_a_i_n_t: same pictureflow bug on my fuze
14:14:12Torneno, it means you have a large audio buffer ;)
14:15:08S_a_i_n_tI didn't think it was model specific, pictureflow is picturefolw isn;t it?
14:15:14topikseems all letters are drawn on top of eachother on the left side
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14:15:38topikit is, but i figured screen size might play a part
14:15:52S_a_i_n_twould anyone already registered on the tracker like to post the bug?
14:15:56*S_a_i_n_t isn't
14:16:06topiki can probably do that
14:16:36TorneS_a_i_n_t: you should probably register on the tracker anyway, if you intend to hang around and tell us about bugs ;)
14:16:37S_a_i_n_tI can *probably* do it too, just haven't registered on the tracker
14:16:55topiki have registered and am willing to post it for you, is what i meant
14:17:00S_a_i_n_tyeah, will do
14:17:05topikthen it's yours
14:17:21*S_a_i_n_t takes the easy way out if he can most times :D
14:17:37S_a_i_n_t*the LAZY way out
14:18:45S_a_i_n_twhats a Jabber ID?
14:19:00Torneif you don't know you don't have one
14:19:04Torneor at least you don't want to enter one ;)
14:21:18topiktask #10893 added S_a_i_n_t
14:21:47S_a_i_n_t...but, ...but?
14:22:01*S_a_i_n_t was halfway there :(
14:22:01topikyou spent too long taking the easy way
14:22:48*S_a_i_n_t didn't realise it had to be done in lightspeed :D
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14:42:21S_a_i_n_thowcome the 'roadmap" on the tracker has ''next release'' and ''3.5''?
14:42:33S_a_i_n_twon't the next release BE 3.5?
14:42:41Tornenext release is *always* the next release :)
14:42:45funmanyes but not forever
14:42:59funman(at least i hope)
14:43:59S_a_i_n_tthe the 'next version' is 'next version <3.5'?
14:44:34S_a_i_n_t*release rather
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14:59:43mc2739Would anyone care to look at the latest patch on FS #10856 and offer comments?
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16:28:06sinuchi folks, super project! however, can anyone give me a hint on how to get the time on the screen the whole time? is this theme dependent, a plugin or a simple setting i cant find?
16:30:49kugelsinuc: it is theme dependant yes
16:31:25sinucthank you
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16:40:09S_a_i_n_twould it be possible to get iPods to play Keyclicks with the built in speaker?
16:40:17S_a_i_n_tlike the OFW does?
16:41:19kugelI guess we don't know how yet
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16:41:53TorneThere's a FS# for it
16:45:28saratoga5111 is ancient
16:45:35saratogawhats the reason it never went in?
16:48:38Tornethere's a lot of bickering in the comments
16:48:48Tornei think it's the disagreement over when we should actually make a noise
16:48:58Tornerather than any problem with the actual driver for the piezo itself
16:49:31sinucthe default esperanto lang file is broken on ipod nano 1. generation, it doesnt show the special chars, instead you get a box
16:49:51Tornesinuc: the language file is not broken, your font just doesn't contain the special chars
16:49:56Tornepick a font that does
16:50:09sinucouch, thanks
16:50:27Tornesaratoga: it's related to that argument that spilled onto the -dev list about whether we hsould beep when you bump into the end of a scrolling list, and so on
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16:50:29S_a_i_n_tthere's a LOT of bickering in the comments about it
16:51:24Torneit was on my to-look-at list for a while
16:51:26kugelthe whole aps/ changes seem like a bad hack to me
16:51:35Tornebut in the end i decided i didn't care that much about the piezo because i normally have headphones on
16:51:47Tornesomoene should maybe pluck out the actual piezo driver and put it in
16:51:58kugelIMO it should replace the existing sw keyclick feature on those ipods
16:52:20Torneshould it, though?
16:52:40Torneyou can't hear it with headphones on. problem for accessibility?
16:53:04*Torne shrugs and realyl doesn't care. It might be nice to have the driver, if nothing else because frotz wants to be able to beep :)
16:54:16kugelI somehow doubt we added the sw keyclick as a accessibility feature, but I'm sure both could be co-exist using the same settings etc
16:54:46kugelit seems fs5111 hacks into various places just so that it doesn't click in the wps
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16:55:16*Torne disclaims any opinion about when the piezo should make a noise, but thinks the driver should be committed regardless :)
16:56:06kugelI would eventually want to look it at if I happen to get rockbox running on the samsung yh-j70, it has a hw piezo too
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16:57:39*kugel questions the driver too
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16:59:02sinucmissing some words in esperanto tho, nevermind love the project already, a pity tho i own this device for about 2 or 3 years and i find out about this project so much more later.. heh, have a good evening y'all.
17:01:14pixelmasinuc: if you know esperanto you could help updating the translation
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17:01:43Tornekugel: well, i mean if it's ok technically :)
17:03:26kugelit seems to have a thread just to protect from being called concurrently, I'm sure a mutex is enough; but well
17:03:45kugelnot my business afterall, but I dislike the apps/ changes
17:05:24kugeloh, maybe the thread is needed :)
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17:26:15S_a_i_n_tguess I sould've mentioned it was for nano 2g
17:26:28S_a_i_n_tthat patch doesn;t seem to accomodate the 2g
17:27:12kugelnano2g probably needs a separate driver since I don't believe the hardware mapping is going to be the same
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17:30:33kugelI think it should be possible to disassemble
17:30:45kugelor, reverse engineer by disassembling
17:31:56TorneS_a_i_n_t: when you say ipods generally people will assume you mean the portalplayer-based ones since there are way more of them and they've been supported a lot longer :)
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18:01:27liarS_a_i_n_t: you said you have problems with your nano 2g and rockbox earlier this day. can you give me a description of what is wrong with it?
18:03:30S_a_i_n_twell, it's only happened about 3 times total, but here goes: Panic, weird battery icon in the middle of the screen (of icon maybe?)+VERY loud beeping noise, screen fades to blank, needs hard reset, resets to DFU mode.
18:04:09liardo you remember what the panic message said?
18:04:46S_a_i_n_ttoo quick to catch it, flashes REAL quick.
18:05:39S_a_i_n_ticon displayed (whilst fading and LOUD_ASS beeping) looks like a 'yeild' symbol overtop of an empty battery cell?
18:05:50S_a_i_n_tbut battery is full, or not empty rather
18:06:15liarwhat where you doing until that happened?
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18:06:40S_a_i_n_ttwice just listening to music
18:06:52S_a_i_n_tonce was just turning it on from a new install
18:07:31S_a_i_n_tI never even knew a nano could make any other noise than click before than
18:07:37S_a_i_n_tscared the hell outta me
18:07:41S_a_i_n_tit was LOUD
18:07:57S_a_i_n_tirritated the hell outta everyone on the bus
18:09:31marukliar: I also get battery icon when the ftl get corrupted. So the problem, is the FTL panic.
18:10:11liarwas it a constant weee noise?
18:10:40S_a_i_n_thigh pitched..irritating as hell
18:10:46S_a_i_n_tfaded with the screen
18:12:32S_a_i_n_tdo you think you have an idea what it may be liar?
18:12:36liarmaruk: i think we talked already about your panics - have you tried my patch since then? and does that still happen with my patch?
18:13:14maruklet me check the lastest patch tonight (GMT+1).
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18:16:38liarS_a_i_n_t: i dont know where the noise is comming from. but the panic might come from the nand driver as the rockbox version still contains some bugs
18:17:40S_a_i_n_tI've looked at the NAND patch, but it doesn't seem consistent with my problem
18:18:33funmanis statusbar display buggy when lcd is flipped ? I can't test it on the simulator
18:18:39S_a_i_n_tweird icon+screen fade+beep, hard reset "your iPod is fuked, please use gaytunes to restore it' screen.
18:19:11liarS_a_i_n_t: that use itunes to restore might be because of the bug in the nand driver
18:19:43liarmine produces noise constantly. but its not that loud as you describe it(i only hear it if i hold my nano to my ears) the OF prouces this noise too
18:19:43S_a_i_n_tbeep+fading never (or hardky) before seen icon?
18:19:59liarbattery empty image
18:20:15S_a_i_n_tthat's what I thought it could be
18:20:22S_a_i_n_ta rapid discharge feature
18:20:23liarmaruk: do these ftl panics happen frequent?
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18:20:44S_a_i_n_tbut my battery has been full, or at least half each time
18:20:56liarS_a_i_n_t: yeah i've seen that too
18:21:07liarmy battery was full too
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18:21:34S_a_i_n_tas far as the volume, maybe your piezo is damaged?
18:21:40S_a_i_n_tas mine is REAL loud
18:22:02S_a_i_n_tfirst time it happened I was in a totally different room, and it made me come running
18:22:21S_a_i_n_tI thought it was a fire alarm or something
18:23:13liarthats really loud. i think my patch would be worth a try
18:23:35S_a_i_n_tis yours the NAND driver one?
18:23:48S_a_i_n_tcould you post a link so I don;t have to search again?
18:24:01marukliar: no. I would said once a week.
18:24:04funmanstatus bar display in flipped mode works fine on Clip but it's 1bit display, not 16 bits like the fuze
18:24:18funmannot sure if there is a difference though
18:24:26liarS_a_i_n_t: fs#10775 (
18:24:55S_a_i_n_tre: the volume, I *honestly* had no idea such a small thing could make such a loud noise, it reminded me of a 'rape alarm'
18:25:05S_a_i_n_tand thnx
18:25:25marukliar: once every 30h of usage (I guess it is more useful info).
18:26:04liarmaruk: do they happen while powering off?
18:26:22liaror if a programm writes to the flash?
18:26:42marukliar: while powering off.
18:27:40liarthen i am pretty sure my patch can help
18:28:02marukliar: so I will try.
18:28:44liarand please tell me if it works, or still fails
18:29:02S_a_i_n_tregarding your patch liar, is it important to note that I've NEVER had file system errors? I can always view database and files fine on my 2g
18:29:11S_a_i_n_tunless USB HID is ON
18:29:20S_a_i_n_tand then it won't even mount
18:30:29liarS_a_i_n_t: you see panic mount: 0 or something like that if you disconnect it afterwards?
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18:31:15S_a_i_n_tused to get a panic with DIRCACHE enabled, but thay fixed that
18:31:36liarcan you have a look at the disk with a hex editor?
18:32:14S_a_i_n_tnot with USB HID on, no
18:32:35S_a_i_n_tit HAS to be set to off on my system for some reason.
18:33:42liarS_a_i_n_t: can you mount it if it is set off?
18:34:10S_a_i_n_tso, it's not really a problem, just weird
18:34:15liarthats the usb bug
18:34:24liarthe one i have
18:34:41GodEaterS_a_i_n_t: which OS is that?
18:35:03S_a_i_n_tsame thing used to happen on my 1g nano with USB Keypad Mode set to anything other than Multimedia
18:35:17S_a_i_n_tWin OS
18:35:35S_a_i_n_tXP Pro, and Home, and Win ME
18:35:37*GodEater thinks it's an OS bug
18:36:02S_a_i_n_tpre/post OS format :(
18:36:07TorneGodEater: but everyone knows all standards are defined as "whatever works with Windows"
18:36:10Tornesee ACPI
18:36:12GodEateryes, a bug
18:36:18GodEateri.e. reinstalling it won't help
18:36:19pixelmaI don't have any problems with Rockbox USB and my c200 on a Win XP
18:36:21GodEaterTorne: ;)
18:36:39GodEaterpixelma: bah - different language of Windows though ;)
18:37:03pixelmaof course
18:37:24GodEaterso S_a_i_n_t just needs to change his language settings to German and he'll be fine
18:37:36pixelmaI did have a problem with HID on MacOS 10.4 though and that was an OS bug... ;)
18:37:50pixelmait still is
18:38:46S_a_i_n_tif it's OS bug, then souldn't it do the same for my 1g nano too?
18:39:05liarS_a_i_n_t: its a bug in the usb driver..
18:39:13liari might have a look at it this night
18:39:28S_a_i_n_tGodEater seems to disagree
18:39:56TorneS_a_i_n_t: All the players look a bit different over USB :)
18:40:01GodEaterwell if turning off USB HID fixes it, then the problem is in how your OS is handling the device is it not?
18:40:33S_a_i_n_tor how the device defines USB HID?
18:40:36TorneS_a_i_n_t: the configuratoin descriptor we hand back to the OS is not the same on different devices regardless of HID, so depending what the bug actually is almost any combinatoin of cockups is possible
18:40:41liarGodEater: there is a bug(or something like thousands) in the nano2g usb driver
18:41:23*GodEater wonders if he can get away with playing with Mrs GodEater's Nano 2G to see if he can reproduce on linux
18:41:36TorneGodEater: has anyone had it happen on linux?
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18:41:49*S_a_i_n_t takes a step back and lets the devs battle it out
18:41:54tomers - that's so cool :-)
18:41:54Tornei would've hoped that we had read the spec and that linux has read the spec and thus we could agree ;)
18:41:57GodEaterTorne: I've no idea
18:41:58liari am running linux and i see the bug ...
18:42:03GodEaterthat's why I was going to check
18:42:34Torneliar: when you say "the" bug you know you might not be talking abou the same one right? :)
18:42:53Tornethere is undoubtedly more than one problem in this area :)
18:43:15S_a_i_n_tpersonally, I think it's two (or more) different bugs...
18:43:17Tornethe Mac OS X thing was *definately* an OS bug, not ours, and affected all players iirc
18:43:27liarGodEater: the nano2gs behave very different. some freeze, some show stkovs if the usb cable gets connected
18:43:52*GodEater can't find the 2g anyway
18:43:55Tornewait, when you say it doesn't mount you mean the player itself crashes?
18:43:59GodEaterwill have to wait till she gets home
18:44:00Tornenot just the host can't find it?
18:44:44S_a_i_n_tah, that's mixing two different problems I have
18:45:02liarTorne: for me the player totally locks up
18:45:09liarnot even interupts are triggered
18:45:37Tornefun :)
18:46:09*Torne bows out of this one anyway, not having a nano 2g, or knowing a huge amount about usb, or ever having had this problem in any form on anything :)
18:46:13S_a_i_n_tmy USB HID thing, DAP won't crash DFU mode thing is another story altogether
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18:47:14liarS_a_i_n_t: the crash and the use itunes to restore will be fixed with my patch
18:47:17liari am pretty sure
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18:49:05S_a_i_n_tI'd like to think so, it's just the 'seemingly unrelated MEGABEEP thing' that makes me doubt that it will...
18:49:10S_a_i_n_tbut worth a try
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18:49:52S_a_i_n_tit doesn't happen to me nearly as frequently as you've described.
18:49:57S_a_i_n_tonly 3 times ever
18:50:06liarS_a_i_n_t: the panic,.. the battery empty image,.. the use itunes to restore.. thats very suspicious
18:50:33S_a_i_n_tevr is the entirity of the 2g ports duration.
18:50:53S_a_i_n_tsuspicious of?
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18:51:50S_a_i_n_tI'd *LOVE* to know what is is exactly, even if it's fixed and won;t ever happen again, I'd still like to know what it *was*
18:52:01liarsuspicious, that it is the NAND bug
18:52:31S_a_i_n_thave you ever had to restore from your bug?
18:52:47S_a_i_n_t'cos mine is everytime, not just occasional
18:53:04S_a_i_n_twell, each of the 3 times
18:53:04liari had use itunes to restores after every panic
18:53:10liarand the battery image
18:53:23S_a_i_n_tbut no beeping?
18:53:35liarno beeping
18:53:46S_a_i_n_tsounds the same except fot the beep, it's BLOODY loud
18:53:51S_a_i_n_tyou wouldn;t miss it
18:55:32liarcan a dc dc converter make such loud noise?
18:56:17S_a_i_n_tdc dc convertor?
18:56:51liarS_a_i_n_t: that was a question to everyone who might know the answer ;)
18:57:24*S_a_i_n_t was just wondering what one was...
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18:59:43liarS_a_i_n_t: a dc dc converter converts a voltage level to another level. your player needs many different voltages at different places
19:02:43liarsome of them make noise
19:02:51liarsome of them make loud noise
19:05:28S_a_i_n_tthis noise is definitely made by the OFW I'd say, it's irritating for a purpose, not by coincidence IMHO
19:05:53funmanmc2739: why do you need to check screen orientation in window code for e200v2, isn't that done automatically by the controller ?
19:06:10funmanon fuze I didn't modify lcd_window_*() and I see (almost) proper flipping
19:09:32liarS_a_i_n_t: i really suspect it's a side effect of the nand driver bug
19:11:22S_a_i_n_twell, when my GF gets home, and I compile and reinstall, we'll know (or way may not, as the occasional nature of the bug means it may indeed NEVER happen again)
19:12:07S_a_i_n_t*even without the patch it hasn't happen in 2 weeks +
19:13:07S_a_i_n_tbefore than there was 2 months or so between crashes
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19:43:55funmanhm i'm a bit lost, why is lcd_window_blit() the reverse of lcd_window() wrt the display being flipped ?
19:44:05funman(still on e200v2)
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20:20:09domonokyb1uebrother: do we plan a rbutil release somewhere near the upcomming rockbox release ?
20:20:55domonokyif so, we should plan todo the naming change on the themepage shortly before/after that :-)
20:21:39b1uebrotherdomonoky: haven't thought about that in detail yet. But we definitely need to asjust the theme site :)
20:22:46b1uebrotherI'd really like to get that strings change things out of the way asap, then hopefully get some testers in the forums. Just in case some other breakage by the naming change has still been missed
20:22:56domonokythe problem is, that its difficult to support both namings. so i only want todo it when the new rbutil release is ready, to not break the current rbutil.
20:23:09CIA-6New commit by 03bluebrother (r24176): Make strings better translatable by allowing to change the position of the dynamic part.
20:24:28CIA-6New commit by 03bluebrother (r24177): An ellipsis is always exactly three dots, not two.
20:25:08funmandomonoky: did you notice discussion about r24174 yesterday ?
20:25:13b1uebrotherdomonoky: it definitely might be good to push a rbutil release the same time we release 3.5.
20:25:38domonokyfunman: no.. *goes to check the log*
20:25:57b1uebrotherI've posted about this issue to the ML a bit ago
20:26:25funmanbtw I understand from discussion with JdGordon that 3.5 isn't going to happen anytime soon
20:26:36b1uebrotherand we should try to get translations updated before the next release
20:26:54b1uebrotherfunman: oh? Any major blockers or what did I miss?
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20:27:28funmanI'd like to know as well
20:28:11b1uebrotherah, ok. I have to admit that I wasn't following closely the last days :)
20:28:47*domonoky doesnt know any major blocks.. we should just do the release :-) delaying indefinitly is certanly not what we want.
20:29:08funmanquoting B4gder :
20:29:11funman> 2 - because several pretty largish changes have recently been committed that
20:29:11funman> I think will appreciate getting slightly longer time to settle before we can
20:29:12funman> consider them release-worthy.
20:29:34funmanwell, quoting JdGordon himself quoting B4gder
20:30:27b1uebrotherhmm, so basically what went through the ML? Rather vague.
20:31:07*domonoky still wonders what this big changes are, nobody said something concrete.
20:33:51domonokyfunman: you meant the discussion about fullstops ? (i dont really care about such details, as long as it works, and i can read the text :-) )
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20:34:28funmanah perhaps it's unrelated to your mail, just so you knew about it
20:35:11funmandomonoky: right it's rather vague, perhaps we do not want to incorrectly interpret words of our benevolent dictator Daniel !
20:35:33domonokydid somebody already start with a release checklist (for users to note what was tested in rc builds), like was discussed ?
20:36:15gevaertsin a way
20:36:23b1uebrotherdomonoky: well, changing such details means that all translations need to get updated. Plus, if one wants to get it consistent it should be done properly. Otherwise it kinda defeats the purpose of the claim.
20:37:08gevaertsdomonoky: Zagor started on a web/database thing, and we did a tiny bit of thinking about what the checklist should include
20:37:53domonokygevaerts: nice. such a web/database thing could also be nice for rbutil testing :-)
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20:40:00domonokyb1uebrother: true about the translation (although the string isnt lost, its just marked as unconfirmed), and the commit message could have been better. But i still dont really care, instead i am happy others also hack at rbutil. :-)
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20:43:59b1uebrotherdomonoky: well, I do care about details :) Especially if a change is (IMO) to the worse.
20:44:03tessaraktah, Sansa E200v2 seems to be quite advanced now
20:44:14tessaraktcurrently installing, thanks a lot!
20:44:16b1uebrotherbut btw: how should we handle abandoned translations?
20:45:01b1uebrotherlike the turkish and chinese translation: those have less than 50% of all strings translated and haven't been updated for quite a while.
20:45:22b1uebrotherdoes it make sense to keep them in the release?
20:46:43domonokyi am not sure. we surely want to keep them in svn, but could exclude them from release.
20:47:38funmangevaerts: is that checklist somewhere?
20:48:20b1uebrotheryes, that was my idea too. As in remove all translations that have less then 50% strings translated from the translation resource before a release.
20:49:15domonokyb1uebrother: sounds good.
20:51:10funmando we wait for this beta testing platform to be ready before 3.5 ?
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21:05:12JdGordon|if a viewports width and lcd width is known, is it possible to get the original x if it was aligned left or right without knowing which side it was aligned to?
21:10:18JdGordon|assuming we know it should aligned right for rtl langs
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21:16:03JdGordon|as much ad I think they are redundant, I have a way to fix all viewport colours from settings without needing to reload anything
21:18:27JdGordon|it gets a bit weird if both a sbs and ui vp setting are there though... if both use the setting for colours its no problem
21:18:42JdGordon|if neither do which colours get used?
21:19:24JdGordon|even if only one uses the setting, should that still be used?
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21:21:52funmankugel: if i remove lcd_write_reg(0x48, ymin); from lcd_window_y() windowing is still correct
21:22:13kugelJdGordon: the ui vp should take precedence..
21:22:41kugelfunman: possibly, the of does that
21:23:00kugelhow do you test if it's corrent?
21:24:23GodEaterdoes anyone besides slasheri know how tagcache gets metadata from files? Does it have to load the sound codecs to do it?
21:25:00funmankugel: just seeing the lcd displays correctly
21:25:04kugelGodEater: it calls the parser for that filetype, all parsers are built-in currently
21:25:24GodEaterhas anyone had a look at taglib at all?
21:25:32GodEaterand whether it might be worth porting?
21:25:43kugelfunman: that doesn't seem like a very good test
21:25:53funmanwhat would be a good test ?
21:27:44kugelGodEater: it's C++ apparently
21:29:00kugeland we support a lot more formats
21:29:30GodEaterafter having realised that, I wondered if we should do the opposite, and take our parsers and turn them into a lib
21:29:35GodEatermaybe someone would find it useful :)
21:29:36kugelso, I doubt it's worth it :)
21:29:45GodEaterno, it's definitely not for us
21:29:57GodEaterI'm just chatting with the MediaTomb guys
21:30:09CIA-6New commit by 03Domonoky (r24178): allow to browse all themes regardless of target.
21:36:59CIA-6New commit by 03Domonoky (r24179): fix smarty error.
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21:42:26*domonoky looks at the download counters in the themepage, and wonders if the can be right.. over 1k downloads for certain themes ?
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21:58:14gevaertsZagor: have you seen;type=gigabeatsboot and;type=sansafuze ?
21:58:28Utchybannpin liar
21:59:36Lloreandomonoky: We do have a lot of users
22:00:03gevaertsZagor: also, I still get "Fatal build error: Missing log file. You have been temporarily disabled" every now and then, seemingly without recovering
22:00:12domonokyLlorean: looks like it :-)
22:00:15liarUtchybann: pon
22:00:28Zagorgevaerts: :-(
22:00:34S_a_i_n_twhat theme & platform has the highest dl ratio?
22:01:32Utchybannliar: I tried you latest patch on my nano2g and no panic on boot.
22:02:37S_a_i_n_tseems that patch has been helpful for a number of people now.
22:02:39liarUtchybann: okay nice to hear. if you still get a ftl panic please tell me
22:03:34S_a_i_n_tliar: I've decided it's not worth me installing the patch tho, as I can't reliably reproduce the error.
22:03:38gevaertsZagor: what's weird is that both of those failures show a totally different number of errors and warnings
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22:04:16Utchybannliar: sure. I switch to this nano2g as I have 2 nano2g with 2 different nand chip. I only get panic on shutdown with one nano.
22:04:23CIA-6New commit by 03Domonoky (r24180): allow to view all themes also for admins.
22:05:04*liar spotted where the nano 2g usb driver freezes(if the cable is connected during boot)
22:05:50Utchybannliar: I'm writing a new entry in debug menu to dump nand info. This could help when people report problem to see if this affect only some nand chip.
22:06:11domonokyS_a_i_n_t: if you look at the number of themes, e200/e200v2 surely win.. :-)
22:06:23liarUtchybann: thats a good idea
22:07:05domonokyS_a_i_n_t: but the top x downloaded themes, are all ipod video sized.
22:08:28Utchybannliar: I also think that we could update the nano2g wiki about clickwheel which is 100% functional for me and include wheel accel.
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22:09:15liarUtchybann: i think i dont have permission to do that
22:09:45GodEaterliar: why not?
22:10:13liarGodEater: i thought i need to be registered to do that
22:10:26Utchybannliar: I can do it.
22:10:31GodEateryou do, but it takes about 10 seconds ;)
22:10:41GodEateryou register, tell us your name, we give you permissions
22:10:49liarGodEater: i let Utchybann do the work :P
22:10:57GodEaterfair enough
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22:16:17*liar thinks he has found another nano2g usb bug
22:16:28funmankugel: turns out the register setting in lcd_window_y() needed after all
22:18:22kugeland how did you test that now? (I have no idea how to test this, except for a extra plugin drawing colored boxes maybe)
22:19:37Utchybannliar: are you under linux or windows or osx ?
22:19:54liarUtchybann: linux
22:20:43S_a_i_n_tliar: do tell about the nano 2g bug
22:21:34Utchybannliar: ok. I'm under linux too but didn't have problem with nano2g usb. I have thought that it could be related to windows or osx...
22:22:19liarS_a_i_n_t: while (GRSTCTL & 1); in usb_reset locks up if the cable is connected during boot. cant tell you more as i dont know much about usb
22:23:26*liar needs a s3c6400 datasheet
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22:25:33Utchybannliar: if I remember theseven have several datasheet.
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22:26:07liarTheSeven hasnt been here for a while
22:30:54funman8 days according to /msg logbot seen TheSeven
22:31:17funmankugel: output was garbled in mpegplayer, and on startup
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22:34:49liarhah usb is working
22:35:29CIA-6New commit by 03funman (r24181): Sansa Fuze: LCD ...
22:35:33CIA-6New commit by 03funman (r24182): Sansa e200v2: LCD ...
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22:36:21tessaraktthe battery level of my e200v2 went down pretty fast while playinh
22:36:31tessaraktwell, doing a full charge now, and then I'll see
22:36:45funmantessarakt: yes, rockbox is less power efficient than the OF
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22:52:31GodEateron that model
22:52:52*GodEater thinks we should stress that it's the goal of rockbox to exceed the original firmware's battery life
22:53:43pamaurydoes rockbox outperforms OF on some targets ?
22:53:49B4gderon several
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22:56:24GodEaterpretty much all of the "stable" targets isn't it?
22:56:55B4gderhm, yes that might be right
22:59:41tessaraktGodEater: good
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23:03:14liaris here anybody who is familiar with the s3c6400?
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23:03:53pamaurywhat is this ? ;)
23:04:54liarpamaury: an usb chip or something ;)
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23:09:17liarah - it is a RISC but the nano2g seems to use its usb interface(altough the nano2g has a differen cpu)
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23:10:08kugelliar: s3c64xx is a samsung soc
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23:11:03kugelthe linux kernel has code for it, and there are comercial devices that run linux on it, so you might want to have a look there if you think it's similar enough
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23:21:28AlexPdomonoky: How and who is alerted?
23:22:18domonokyAlexP: at the moment noone :-) but you can see the reported ones in the admin interface. (they are also not hidden, thats left to the admin to decide).
23:22:28kugelfunman: if you can make a sense of those R_GAMMA_* you could try implementing lcd contrast
23:22:42AlexPdomonoky: nice, that's the best type of reporting :)
23:22:56kugelI have had a very short try, but it was just trial and error
23:25:08funmankugel: do you have the hd66789r datasheet ?
23:25:31funmanjust google for it, it's on rockbox website
23:25:37funman2nd or 3rd result
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23:25:57funmanthe registers are described page 64, although i can't make a sense of this description :)
23:25:58kugelah yea, I was about to say it's on the wiki
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23:29:05CIA-6New commit by 03Domonoky (r24184): fix theme selection in admin view.
23:30:44domonokyAlexP: do you think someone should get noticed (email) with this button ?
23:31:39AlexPdomonoky: I'm not sure it is terribly useful otherwise - I never look at the admin interface unless someone asks me to.
23:32:52domonokyand who ? theme author (should be a easy change) or admins ?
23:33:07AlexPWhat is the intention of the button?
23:33:39domonokyreport bad/broken/illegal themes to us, so we can review them.
23:34:12AlexPI think it should e-mail those that volunteer in that case
23:34:22AlexPOtherwise nobody will notice :)
23:34:48AlexPthose that volunteer = admins that volunteer :)
23:35:24domonokythere are no admin email there at moment, but i could build something so admins can enter them and get spammed :-)
23:36:54kugelmaybe something flashy on the front page that indicates a job for an admin?
23:37:22AlexPI think that'd just distract everyone else
23:37:24domonokykugel: thats also a nice idea..
23:37:37AlexPdepends how it is done
23:38:04domonokyjust display a little graphic on the front page "admin work needed" on certain conditions.
23:39:22domonokyif someone makes a nice graphic, i could easily do the rest :-)
23:48:24domonokyso is someone here, who could make a nice "admin work needed" graphic ? or else i have todo it my self with paint *shudder*
23:49:30kugelas if we needed a graphic ;)
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23:54:54domonokyif noone has something better, i will use something like this: in the right top edge. :-)
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23:56:56domonokyor is emailing to all volunteering admins better ?
23:57:50B4gderperhaps admins could just get a "list of pending remarks" when they are on the site?

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