#rockbox 2010-01-05

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#rockbox log for 2010-01-05

00:00:03	kugel	we're trying to make people to even log into the admin area :)
00:00:03	*	B4gder crawls back into his hole
00:00:11	kugel	domonoky: the text is fine imo
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00:06:25	sagemfreak	kugel: ping
00:06:29	kugel	pong
00:06:32	sagemfreak	hi
00:06:50	sagemfreak	ive read FS #10097
00:07:02	sagemfreak	(the clickweel scroll issue)
00:07:11	kugel	yea
00:07:45	sagemfreak	ive submitted FS #10883
00:08:09	sagemfreak	is there any new progress?
00:10:11	kugel	there was a patch posted to fs10097 after you opened it
00:10:22	kugel	I believe both tasks are about hte same problem
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00:11:14	sagemfreak	yes i belive it too
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00:12:01	sagemfreak	but the problem is not covered complete at the moment - both patches are not resolving the problem full.
00:12:17	sagemfreak	-> quickscreen issue? (eating of clicks)
00:12:35	kugel	have you tried the last patch at fs10097?
00:14:25	sagemfreak	i am compiling it right now
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00:19:30	JdGordon1	kugel: why should the setting take precendence over the sbs?
00:19:44	JdGordon1	neither actually makes any sense
00:20:01	kugel	I think I've explained that a dozen times in the ML discussion we had
00:20:12	CIA-6	New commit by Domonoky (r24185): Display a image on the theme frontpage, if admin attention is needed.
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00:21:12	kugel	the ui vp is only used for the lists, that dictates the colors of the list (either set, or color settings via "-"), sbs %Vi area comes after
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00:22:05	JdGordon1	if they are both set, then they are both always used together
00:22:40	kugel	you mean the intersection?
00:22:55	JdGordon1	well, yes
00:23:31	kugel	the intersection is just to make the ui vp fit, it still defines the (max) dimensions
00:24:06	JdGordon1	yes, I know...
00:24:13	JdGordon1	dimensions and colour are seperate issues
00:24:14	kugel	so it also defines the colors
00:24:37	JdGordon1	so we should take the bitwise OR of the colours then?
00:24:42	kugel	why? it's on purpose that you don't set only the dimensions via up vp
00:24:45	kugel	ui vp*
00:24:47	JdGordon1	sorry.. AND
00:25:26	JdGordon1	I know..... what I'm saying is... if you have colours set in the sbs and in the setting... it doesnt really make sense to chose either of them
00:25:37	kugel	the ui vp overrides the %Vi area
00:26:11	kugel	%Vi is used as a fallback, it's not something you're garuanteed to get
00:26:49	JdGordon1	neither overrides either
00:26:51	kugel	it does make sense to chose the ui vp color
00:27:28	JdGordon1	if anything the sbs is more important than the setting because it limits the setting
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00:27:54	kugel	omg...
00:28:47	kugel	the intersection is only to make the ui vp fit, because it will be ugly otherwise. the colors don't have this problem, we can just take the ui vp color
00:30:23	kugel	the ui vp was always meant to override %Vi
00:30:33	kugel	by all means
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00:35:58	JdGordon1	I dont necessarily agree with that.. but OK
00:36:15	JdGordon1	I'm trying to get viewports to be recolourable without bein reloaded
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00:36:39	kugel	an event maybe?
00:36:39	JdGordon1	is tomers ever in IRC?
00:37:08	JdGordon1	yeah, but with some extra smarts in the viewport struct so we know if we actually need to
00:37:54	JdGordon1	did you see m version of tomers' lang align WPS token?
00:38:12	kugel	seems not
00:39:00	JdGordon1	I've added a new align token which makes the next token do its thing based on the lang
00:39:22	JdGordon1	%aa atm, but I'm open to suggestions
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00:41:10	kugel_	I'm nore in favor of a condition and his %aL and %aR idea
00:41:13	kugel_	more*
00:41:24	kugel_	conditional
00:41:48	JdGordon1	imo thats too verbose
00:41:57	JdGordon1	also, its for more than just skins
00:42:22	kugel_	well, otherwise you need RTL handling for every kind of tag
00:42:40	JdGordon1	not all of them
00:42:54	JdGordon1	but if you have a conditional you effectivly double the size of the skin
00:43:06	JdGordon1	which means most people wont bother doing it
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00:43:40	kugel_	that's why I would take %aL and %aR, so you don't need the conditional for every stupid line of text
00:44:05	kugel_	but for arranging icons/aa, conditional viewports are better suited imo
00:44:42	JdGordon1	doesnt setting the RTL flag on the viewport make all lcd functions using it follow the rtl?
00:45:17	kugel_	yes, but the skin engine can clear this flag after viewport_parse_viewport()
00:45:41	kugel_	the align tags override it anyway since they do alignment manually IIUC
00:45:55	JdGordon1	that doesnt sound right
00:46:14	JdGordon1	the alignment tags are per line, not vewport
00:46:14	JdGordon1	per subline even
00:46:24	kugel_	yep
00:47:05	JdGordon1	so the viewport rtl =flag should never be changed
00:48:21	kugel_	what is the viewport.c change?
00:48:40	kugel_	the flag means that text within the vp is right aligned, not that the whole viewport is aligned on the right edge
00:48:41	JdGordon1	to make it work
00:49:10	JdGordon1	it means both after the change
00:49:16	kugel_	that's wrong
00:49:19	JdGordon1	if its set before that func is called
00:49:24	JdGordon1	if its set after then its only text
00:49:31	kugel_	RTL isn'T simply "mirror everything"
00:50:00	*	JdGordon1 knows that
00:50:18	JdGordon1	although it does for 90% of it
00:50:57	kugel_	that change is wrong
00:51:10	JdGordon1	actually no, I would argue it does in fact mean miror everything
00:51:20	kugel_	viewports are often aligned to something on the backdrop, you're going to make it all wrong
00:51:33	kugel_	only the text is rtl, not the whole display
00:52:09	JdGordon1	I'd ague otherwise
00:52:24	JdGordon1	especially since the left/right is flipped and the entire list is also
00:52:54	kugel_	but not the viewport
00:53:04	kugel_	only the text alignement and direction, nothing else
00:53:08	kugel_	that's RTL
00:53:22	JdGordon1	that depends on the skin author
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00:53:35	kugel_	that's RTL in the entire computer business
00:53:38	JdGordon1	so ok, maybe that sholdnt be there
00:54:10	JdGordon1	putting it there means that doesnt need to be duplicated anywhere
00:54:58	kugel_	you change it for every viewport there, not only for those being rtl aware
00:55:12	kugel_	the dimensions of viewports shouldn't be touched by rtl every
00:55:14	kugel_	ever*
00:55:23	JdGordon1	that wasnt going to work for the ui setting anyway though... grr
00:55:28	*	JdGordon1 really doesnt want to change the viewport definintion syntax
00:56:20	kugel_	hence the conditional. that's way more flexible anyway, it allows to react on rtl in an intelligent manner
00:56:55	*	kugel_ isn't sure why it's part of RTL to change the location of the AA
00:57:12	kugel_	is the location of the AA really a locale thing?
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00:57:20	kugel_	isn't it a matter of taste, rather?
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00:58:46	kugel_	there are themes which have the AA on the right no matter of rtl
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00:59:19	JdGordon1	not the dimensions.. just the X position... and its not really a matter of taste, its UI design
00:59:54	kugel_	I said location, not dimension
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01:00:13	JdGordon1	(03:58:05 PM) kugel_: the dimensions of viewports shouldn't be touched by rtl every
01:00:17	kugel_	and yes, it's UI design (and hence the matter of taste of the author), and not depending on the locale
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01:11:22	JdGordon1	kugel_: dont take this the wrong way... but do you speak any RTL langs?
01:11:38	kugel_	no, you?
01:12:09	JdGordon1	tomers first language is hebrew, hebrew is my second language... so yes
01:15:21	JdGordon1	so yes, the location of ui elements is a matter of taste, that taste is very much from the region
01:16:15	JdGordon1	using a single token means that any skin that doesnt work the way you like can be changed with 3 characters instead of totally fudging with it
01:16:30	kugel_	and locale stuff is something that is defined in a language, right? not a regional taste?
01:16:41	gevaerts	both
01:17:44	kugel_	%aL, %aR and the conditional allow full flexibility and full rtl support, without bloating the skin code
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01:18:27	kugel_	all text that has %al and %ar already just replaces them (no extra chars), so only few conditional viewports are added
01:18:30	JdGordon1	you expect logos on the left of text because the language works that way
01:19:08	JdGordon1	I think my version of %aa using %aL and %aR would work best
01:19:09	kugel_	the AA too?
01:19:36	JdGordon1	there is no right answer there :)
01:20:03	JdGordon1	putting %aL right before a %V or %Cl token would solve everything
01:20:12	kugel_	that %aa largely limits the ability for a nice theme
01:20:20	JdGordon1	not at all
01:20:31	JdGordon1	it has 0 effect on LTR langs
01:20:45	kugel_	because the skin should look nice with ltr and rtl, but being bound to stupidly mirroring stuff
01:21:04	JdGordon1	if you use it at all, it means you will use it on all...
01:21:12	JdGordon1	you wouldnt only use it once
01:22:13	kugel_	any rtl-aware theme will just be perfectly symetric, because the plainly mirrored stuff needs to fit to the backdrop
01:22:24	JdGordon1	if you have 2 viewports the same size with a margin of X between them and the lcd edge, AA on the left, text on the right... if you use %aa on both then they will magically swap if a RTL lang is used
01:22:37	JdGordon1	it doesnt need to be symetric at all
01:23:20	kugel_	sure
01:23:48	kugel_	only the conditional actually keeps the freedom in design we have now
01:24:27	JdGordon1	you are totally missing the point I think
01:24:44	kugel_	on a side note, we do such things traditionally via conditionals, such an %aa tag seems inconsistent and out of place
01:25:31	JdGordon1	yes a conditional would work wel and should probably be added anyway.... but 99% of themes arnt done with RTL in mind, which means if anyone wants to take one of those themes they have a massive amount of work to fix them
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01:27:48	kugel_	add both then, although I think we both aren't fans of redundancy where it's not actually needed
01:28:46	kugel_	I doubt I'd make my themes RTL aware if it makes me being limited to react on plain mirroring nicely
01:29:30	JdGordon1	The only way a theme could be limited in any way is if a bad backdrop is used... and if thats the case then its a dead simple fix also
01:29:56	kugel_	bad because it's not symmetric?
01:30:24	JdGordon1	bad because it puts graphical elements where it expects the viewports to be
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01:31:16	kugel_	that's 99% of the todays themes
01:31:22	kugel_	the other 1% don't have a backdrop
01:31:46	kugel_	doing it that way is overcoming limitations of rockbox
01:31:46	JdGordon1	even the cabbie theme background sort of has this problem with its position of the rockbox text
01:31:57	JdGordon1	fine
01:32:17	JdGordon1	but its alot easier mirroring a bmp than a horrible skni file
01:32:37	kugel_	horrible skin file?
01:32:37	JdGordon1	anyone can mirror the image without any extra software
01:33:03	JdGordon1	have you ever tried modifying someonme elses skin? they are horrible to read
01:33:30	kugel_	yep
01:33:35	kugel_	that won't change
01:33:51	JdGordon1	yes
01:33:55	kugel_	%aL and %aR doesn't make it any worse
01:34:16	JdGordon1	which is why its much easier to add a single %aa to the viewports that need to be switched than redo the whole viewport in a conditional
01:35:28	kugel_	redo'ing it potentially means reacting nicer on rtl that just mirroring it
01:36:01	kugel_	and you only redo those which are meant to be rtl aware, which (in my expectation) most aren't
01:36:05	JdGordon1	more often than not, no, it will just work
01:36:21	JdGordon1	if any extra work is needed they wont bother with a conditional at all will they?
01:36:38	JdGordon1	they'll just fix it as needed and forget about trying to make it work for ltr
01:36:40	kugel_	the conditional works 100% of the time
01:37:16	*	JdGordon1 thinks %ax might be better than %aa
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01:37:25	kugel_	extra work means copy and paste in the cases %aa works
01:37:36	kugel_	that's zero actual extra work
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01:38:22	kugel_	I just dislike putting limits on people that make good themes
01:38:25	JdGordon1	I'm geting on the plane soon... I'm going to fix tomers' %aL/R, and make my %aa work better, and add a is rtl conditional and commit
01:38:45	kugel_	without that viewport.c change I hope
01:38:51	JdGordon1	the barrier to entry to make themes RTL needs to be tiny, or there is no point bothering at all
01:39:03	JdGordon1	there are no limits
01:39:06	JdGordon1	show me a theme which wouldnt work
01:39:26	kugel_	tux 2.0
01:39:26	JdGordon1	especially when none of these changes does anything for LTR langs
01:39:30	JdGordon1	link?
01:40:30	kugel_	http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?themeid=271&target=fuze
01:41:21	JdGordon1	that theme is terrible anyway.. but how would that not work?
01:41:39	JdGordon1	unless the whole top is one viewport
01:41:42	JdGordon1	in which case thats a crap wps
01:41:43	kugel_	assuming the grey area is one viewport, the AA would cover tux
01:42:04	kugel_	so it needs more work than just %aa to make it work
01:42:11	JdGordon1	so mirror the bmp in mspaint
01:42:28	kugel_	that's what I mean
01:42:28	JdGordon1	I've never said that %aa is the silver bullet
01:42:44	kugel_	mirroring in mspaint doesn't help anyone
01:42:46	JdGordon1	domonoky: I've just seen the report box.... can it be shrunk, or moved? its a bit... big
01:42:56	kugel_	it should be dynamic on rtl, not statically
01:42:57	JdGordon1	sure it does... how doesnt it?
01:43:03	JdGordon1	it could be both
01:43:18	JdGordon1	you are still missing the point
01:43:22	kugel_	so you can do %aa%mspaint to move tux?
01:43:44	JdGordon1	most themes wont have any RTL support.. which means the only ones which will have are ones downloaded which the user wants to fix
01:43:57	JdGordon1	if they want it ltr then they would have to use a conditional
01:43:58	kugel_	the point is that %aa doesn't make it all magically simple to change
01:44:05	JdGordon1	or not a SHIT backdrop
01:44:06	domonoky	JdGordon1: sure i can change it. but i think it isnt so big. which browser do you use ?
01:44:34	JdGordon1	firefox, screen res is 1024x800 or something small (netbook)
01:45:16	JdGordon1	anyway, time to get ready to board.... kugel_, its been fun as always :)
01:45:22	*	JdGordon1 back in a few hours
01:45:24	domonoky	JdGordon\| so it should be less high ? like 4 lines or so ?
01:45:54	JdGordon1	you cant do a javascript text box if the report button is clicked?
01:46:24	JdGordon1	ah, its not shown on the full listing so its not too bad
01:46:26	CIA-6	New commit by Domonoky (r24186): reduce size of input box from theme reporting.
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01:48:20	domonoky	for the logs: yes its only shown on the themedetails page. and till now i deliberatly avoid this javascript things :-)
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05:27:53	krazykit	S_a_i_n_t, use patch -p0?
05:28:59	krazykit	it applyed to r24186 cleanly enough for me, assuming you're using the latest patch
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05:30:32	q0_0p	anyone here know how to fix ipod nano 1st gen when it loads it freezes with a picture of a folder?
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05:34:02	evilnick	q0_0p: Looks like an Apple problem: "There are several icons that your iPod nano can display that indicate problems with the iPod or portions of its program. If you see either a folder or a sad iPod with an exclamation point, first fully charge your iPod nano. If you still see the icon, try resetting and restoring your device..."
05:34:12	evilnick	From: http://www.smartcomputing.com/editorial/article.asp?article=articles/archive/r1004/48r04/48r04.asp
05:34:37	q0_0p	thx evilnick
05:34:54	q0_0p	evilnick, it is a folder with an exclamation point correct
05:35:00	q0_0p	evilnick, thx for the help
05:35:09	evilnick	No problem :)
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05:42:42	q0_0p	evilnick, itunes is not able to read the ipod nano nor am i able to fdisk -l in linux to read it. Could it be that because the problem lies in the battery?
05:44:33	evilnick	q0_0p: I don't know for sure, but I'd guess that it's disk corruption of some type, so perhaps the best way of rescuing it would be to put it into disk mode (instructions are on the page I linked to earlier) then restore it.
05:44:52	evilnick	Obviously the usual caveats about making sure you have a backup of any important info etc. still apply
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05:45:16	q0_0p	evilnick, thx
05:45:21	q0_0p	evilnick, will give a try
05:46:38	q0_0p	evilnick, ah diskmode is a strange procedure
05:46:42	q0_0p	evilnick, interesting
05:47:02	q0_0p	evilnick, interesting how u have to hit the buttons a certain way
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06:01:09	tmzt	q0_0p: in linux, anything interesting in dmesg?
06:01:35	q0_0p	tmzt, i gave up trying linux but i will try it again now that i found out u can do disk mode
06:01:58	q0_0p	tmzt, u think sometimes linux will read it and itunes will not?
06:02:28	tmzt	no, diskmode is the right way
06:02:29	q0_0p	tmzt, i reset with menu + center then afterwards center + pause/play and it gets stuck at apple logo
06:02:49	tmzt	can't help you with iPod sorry
06:02:53	q0_0p	tmzt, its cool
06:02:59	q0_0p	tmzt, what do u use?
06:03:13	tmzt	sansa fuze
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09:52:46	nima	Hello
09:53:56	nima	Is it possible to rotate rockbox's display?
09:54:04	nima	And maybe reassign buttons?
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09:55:11	nima	I have a Sansa e200 which I think might be a bit easier to use in the c200-style configuration
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10:05:48	markun	nima: not without changing the source code..
10:08:29	nima	Ah, OK
10:08:33	nima	Might be a cool feature
10:08:44	nima	I can make the LCD upside-down
10:08:57	nima	But not rotated 90 degrees
10:11:36	nima	Ooh, upside-down is kinda nice
10:12:03	nima	It looks like the buttons are adjusted appropriately too
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10:29:20	markun	nima: yes, rotation would be cool, but would need a lot of work.
10:29:39	markun	unless you want to always rotate it
10:31:19	markun	there is/was a patch for the gigabeat to do that.
10:33:40	nima	What do you mean by "always rotate it"?
10:34:11	GodEater	as in "not have the option to rotate it back again without recompiling"
10:34:50	nima	Are things that are screen-dimension-dependant hard-coded?
10:34:55	markun	yes
10:34:59	nima	Oh, OK
10:35:28	markun	and it might choose different bitmaps in various plugins etc depending on the resolution and rotation
10:35:38	markun	.. at compile time
10:36:36	nima	Still might be cool enough to be worth it. I know I'd really like it
10:36:47	markun	nima: can you program a little?
10:36:54	markun	might be a cool project to work on.
10:38:02	nima	A bit. I will look around a little tomorrow and see if it's something I might be able to do myself
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10:54:56	amiconn	markun: Rotating should be relatively easy on a square display though
10:55:29	amiconn	It essentially reduces to lcd controller fiddling, similar to flip on (almost) all bitmap targets
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11:11:26	gevaerts	that's only two targets though
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11:13:49	*	gevaerts doesn't count the lyre prototype 1, since on those the screen can easily be rotated physically anyway
11:15:41	amiconn	two?
11:15:49	amiconn	H10 small and ?
11:15:54	gevaerts	gogear hdd1630
11:16:01	gevaerts	also 128x128
11:16:01	amiconn	ah
11:18:02	gevaerts	anyway, flipping the buttons isn't going to be easy on at least the h10 I think, so it would probably have to be screen rotate only
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16:10:04	jho	liar: I tested the patch and it works fine.
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16:59:33	Torne	I'm considering changing pluginlib_exit to support a function to be run at exit time, a bit like atexit() in POSIX, because otherwise plugins that use exit() can leak filehandles rather easily. Anyone want to comment on http://pastebin.com/mdf5ab6c before I commit? :)
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17:29:33	wrah2	are there any known problems with the web translation interface?
17:30:04	wrah2	rasher.dk/rockbox/translate/index.php">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/translate/index.php doesn't look healthy
17:30:14	wrah2	and it's giving me useless diffs
17:30:29	rasher	oh boy
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17:30:35	rasher	I'll look into it
17:31:30	wrah2	thanks
17:31:49	webguest18	is there any rockbox development in 6th gen ipods?
17:31:58	maruk	webguest18: no
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17:43:37	saratoga	i noticed the fuze only has rockbox_default_icons
17:45:25	JdGordon	I find it very odd that only the fuze would be missing it... I'm thinking they all are missing it, and have for quite a while :)
17:46:03	saratoga	d2 and e200v1 are missing it as well, so probably all of them
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17:50:28	liar	jho: thanks
17:53:48	pixelma	I installed an SVN build today on my c200 (v1) and seems that wps wasn't included . The file that is still on there is from Oct 19th whereas other SVN WPSs have today's date on them. Usually I install selfbuilt but complete zips
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17:59:48	mc2739	JdGordon: could it be a filename problem? wps/rockbox_default.txt.wps
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18:05:57	JdGordon	mc2739: could be, but that filename hasnt changed in 11000 revisions
18:07:11	mc2739	yeah, I just noticed that
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18:57:15	liar	what could be the reason for wakeup_wait(&endpoints[endpoint].complete, TIMEOUT_BLOCK); to never return? (no interrupts are triggered anymore if that happens)
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19:23:11	wrah2	trying to translate 'AV decay time' −− can anyone tell me what AV is?
19:23:44	wrah2	it's been translated previously as average but I don't think that's correct
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19:25:51	pixelma	it belongs to the "auto volume" settings
19:27:09	wrah2	ok, so it's nothing to do with AV cables?
19:28:10	pixelma	it is a function of the hardware decoder chip used in some (all except one) of the supported hwcodec targets
19:28:26	pixelma	I never used it though
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19:40:34	mmmlinux	hey, i had a quick question about rockbox. that someone in here can probly answer fairly quickly
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19:44:14	GodEater	mmmlinux: best go ahead and ask it then
19:44:24	mmmlinux	yeah.
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19:45:05	mmmlinux	what would happen if i plugged an ipod with rockbox installed in to my car streo that normally lets me navigate through the ipod with the head unit
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19:45:15	GodEater	try it and see?
19:45:15	mmmlinux	im assuming it wouldnt work
19:45:23	GodEater	it might, or it might not
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19:45:51	mmmlinux	my understanding is that there is a serial protocol that makes that work. but ive never really looked in to it too much
19:46:04	GodEater	correct - the apple accesory protocol
19:46:08	GodEater	which we have bits of implemented
19:46:10	GodEater	but not all of
19:46:13	mmmlinux	i see
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19:46:42	mmmlinux	hmm, guess ill install it on my spair ipod mini and see what it does
19:47:03	mmmlinux	if it works well enough my third gen will get it too
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19:48:34	mmmlinux	eh, any idea how i tell which gen ipod mini i have? i think its a seccond becuase the text on the wheel is colouredd
19:48:56	GodEater	I think it's if it has the capacity written on the back, it's a 2nd
19:48:59	Michael-Micvan	hey all does anybody know if rockbox will support the nano 5g
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19:49:05	GodEater	Michael-Micvan: no it doesn't
19:49:27	kugel	liar: wakeups are a threading thing, it cannot block interrupts
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19:50:17	GodEater	Michael-Micvan: why the PM?
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19:51:15	kugel	liar: wakeup_wait(&endpoints[endpoint].complete, TIMEOUT_BLOCK) never returning means that wakeup_signal(&endpoints(endpoint).complete) is never called
19:52:17	GodEater	the answer is : No, to my knowledge, no-one is working on the nano 5g
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19:53:24	wrah2	hmmm... is rockbox.org down? I can ping it but firefox won't connect
19:53:40	B4gder	yeah, it's offline atm
19:53:48	kugel	noo :(
19:54:09	B4gder	a little ad hoc maintenance
19:54:13	Zagor	just the web server
19:54:23	kugel	F5...F5...F5...F5...F5...F5...F5...F5...F5...F5...F5...F5...F5...F5... :'(
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19:58:59	kugel	bugger, I wanted to try out a patch on fs
19:59:05	kugel	mc2739: ping
19:59:16	kugel	FlynDice: ping
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20:07:03	kugel	any eta when the site is back?
20:08:15	Zagor	kugel: no. we're investigating a possible security issue.
20:08:26	kugel	alright
20:09:04	gevaerts	Zagor: the one that makes the build system swap builds? ;)
20:09:07	JdGordon\|	full body scanners to the rescue!
20:09:16	Zagor	gevaerts: no, not that :-)
20:14:40	*	kugel should've downloaded the patch before coming here to answer liar
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20:16:58	liar	kugel: that one? http://pastebin.org/71469
20:17:02	liar	:)
20:17:17	kugel	no :(
20:17:54	liar	erm..
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20:19:11	liar	kugel: so what do you mean :S?
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20:19:50	kugel	another patch, relating to the samsas
20:20:23	*	liar is confused
20:20:28	liar	you said my name^^
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20:22:08	bertrik	I noticed that list.h uses a char for struct member selection_size in struct simplelist_info
20:22:18	kugel	liar: I answered your question before downloading the patch I want
20:22:20	bertrik	changing it into an int makes the code smaller (at least for arm)
20:22:49	liar	ups i've mistaken answer with ask :S
20:23:02	liar	:)
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20:23:55	kugel	liar: did my answer at least help you?
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20:24:11	Juozapas	hi why rockbox.org is down ?
20:24:52	gevaerts	Juozapas: unscheduled maintenance
20:25:07	Juozapas	how long that will be ?
20:25:18	liar	kugel: a little bit. it seems the problem is not wakeup_wait. someone is masking all my interrupts :(
20:25:47	Juozapas	maybe somewhere is site mirror ?
20:26:38	Juozapas	i just upgraded my ipod mini to 16GB cf ;) really want to install rockbox soon as passible ;)
20:27:12	gevaerts	Juozapas: all downloads are on http://download.rockbox.org/ which is still there
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20:28:28	Juozapas	yeah, but installer dont reach server
20:28:34	kugel	bertrik: the dbop patch seems to work fine on the e200v2 too now, I'd say commit asap
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20:29:21	bertrik	kugel, very nice to hear
20:29:51	JdGordon\|	bertrik: that was probably nonesense "size optimization"... feel free to change it to an int
20:30:08	bertrik	ok
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20:31:03	FlynDice	kugel: pong just a few mins be quick ;-)
20:31:25	kugel	FlynDice: pastebinning the very latest dbop patch should be quick
20:31:31	kugel	if you have it, please :)
20:31:40	FlynDice	sure
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20:33:36	FlynDice	kugel: http://pastie.org/767852
20:34:18	*	kugel thinks DBOP_PRECHARGE shouldn't be in config-<target>.h
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20:43:27	bertrik	kugel, I agree, I'd rather see a define simply in dbop-as3525.c or as an argument to dbop_input
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20:48:26	kugel	bertrik: otherwise the patch seems to work just awesome on my fuze
20:49:22	gevaerts	kugel: that's all due to the careful previous owner!
20:50:32	kugel	my heavily used fuze had less scratches on the screen :p
20:50:44	kugel	but yea, of course <3
20:51:27	gevaerts	the scratches are becaus of an even earlier owner :)
20:57:23	liar	:S usb_drv_send seems to fail for packages with length==2 on my nano 2g
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21:01:57	kugel	bertrik: very impressive that you understood the time polarity things there
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21:02:49	kugel	I wonder whether the OF is doing that. I only saw what have in SVN in the disassembly, but maybe it does the proper precharging in a different function
21:03:23	bertrik	we might actually be a bit smarter than the OF now :P
21:03:45	bertrik	IIRC, the OF did the silly red or blue pixel thing
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21:06:35	Serious_F	Hello, people, how are you doing? Is there anybody whom I can ask specifically about Rockbox installed in a iPod?
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21:06:53	JdGordon\|	mc2739: the wps bug was fixed?
21:06:59	kugel	bertrik: well, we still send the red pixel, just so that it doesnt touch the lcd
21:07:07	JdGordon\|	Serious_F: just ask your question
21:07:42	Serious_F	I need to know if Rockbox would work on a iPod Nano 5 generation
21:08:14	JdGordon\|	no
21:08:37	Serious_F	Just the first generation ones?
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21:08:47	Serious_F	In which apples does it work in fifth generation players?
21:09:05	Tuplis	have you read the frontpage?
21:09:42	Serious_F	I just don't get it, is it the general iPod from �1 to 5 generation? I mean, that g stands for generation, right?
21:10:27	Tuplis	that's correct
21:10:47	Tuplis	it says also nano 1g → only first generation nano
21:10:56	Serious_F	So, general apple iPods from 1 to 5 generation, and nano only, the first generation only?
21:10:58	mc2739	kugel: pong
21:11:25	kugel	mc2739: I was looking for the latest dbop patch since the site was down, but FlynDice already pasted it for me
21:11:25	Serious_F	OH, I didn't see that specification either
21:11:27	liar	Serious_F: rockbox runs on 2gen nanos too, but the port is unstable
21:12:09	mc2739	ok
21:13:16	mc2739	JdGordon\|: yes, but there are a couple of 0 byte files that get created. I'm still looking into the fix for that.
21:13:33	JdGordon\|	what was the issue?
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21:15:21	kugel	mc2739: I touched that line last IIRC, I think that $req_t was required for something (maybe so that X.clip.wps is build only for the clip, but I don't know for sure anymore)
21:16:20	kugel	the .txt was probably interpreted as a target or screen resolution; did you try renaming that one instead?
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21:19:34	mc2739	kugel: looking at the clip zip file, it looks like it is getting the proper wps files built
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21:23:05	kugel	mc2739: let me verify
21:23:33	Serious_F	Thank you for your help, people, bye for now!
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21:27:31	kugel	mc2739: it seems to be the correct one, but I'm getting .rsbs files now
21:30:25	mc2739	kugel: that is the part I was still working on. rockbox_none.sbs and rockbox_none.rsbs are getting created after the change I made earlier
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21:40:43	liar	while (GRSTCTL & 1); freezes. while (GRSTCTL & 1) yield(); not. why?
21:41:43	liar	ah it still freezes
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21:56:35	jebel	Anyone know why the libcurl site now points to rockbox site? http://curl.haxx.se/
21:56:50	EpicCynd	Is there a rockbox for the v2 Sansa200s?
21:56:56	EpicCynd	*yet
21:57:07	Zagor	jebel: it's a mistake. it'll be fixed soon.
21:58:32	jebel	Zagor: Thanks
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22:00:15	EpicCynd	wait, I'm confused. I have a Sansa 260v2. If I install this model of rockbox, it will work, but only use the original firmware for loading up songs? If so that's awesome
22:00:33	mc2739	EpicCynd: yes, that is correct
22:00:57	EpicCynd	so the microSD cards larger than 2GB are supported, I can play games, etc?
22:01:59	mc2739	EpicCynd: yes, and yes
22:02:35	EpicCynd	and, making sure I'm reading right, this is the model that I could recover the original firmware to if I wished, right?
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22:03:40	mc2739	yes, but the procedure is very difficult. It was needed only in the early developement stages.
22:04:50	mc2739	The original firmware can be reloaded by the sansa upgrade tool, or just by putting the firmware in the root directory
22:06:33	EpicCynd	okay, you guys rock! I'm gonna try installing it right now, is there anything I can do to help out?
22:08:53	mc2739	Not unless you can program. The USB driver still needs to built built and it also needs optimisations to increase battery life.
22:09:18	EpicCynd	Oh, is the battery life bad on it right now?
22:10:37	mc2739	not bad, but less than the OF
22:10:58	EpicCynd	how much less? Can I still get at least 5 hours of play on it?
22:11:21	mc2739	I think the e200v2 battery life is about 12 hours
22:12:36	EpicCynd	well that's fine then. I can't program so no help there, but I might be able to help you with webspace if you guys ever need it
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22:15:22	CIA-77	New commit by bertrik (r24188): Use plain int (instead of char) for field selection_size in struct simplelist_info
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22:19:44	EpicCynd	and the USB mode needs to be in MSC, correct?
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22:37:40	EpicCynd	Sweet! I love rockbox already :D
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22:42:03	EpicCynd	The only thing is my album art isn't showing, anything special I need to do with that to get it to work?
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22:46:18	GodEater	EpicCynd: Rockbox doesn't do Embedded album art
22:46:24	saratoga	http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/AlbumArt
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22:51:26	kugel	hm, I have rewritten the clipping in lcd_update_rect() on the fuze; I believe it is correct but it's a bit slower than SVN
22:52:45	EpicCynd	I also noticed there's last.fm support, how do I get it to scrobble to last.fm ?
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22:53:26	Torne	upload .scrobbler.log to last.fm with one of the numerous apps or webclients that support it
22:53:29	Torne	there are links on the wiki somewhere
22:53:52	Torne	http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/LastFMLog
22:55:32	EpicCynd	okay thanks, sorry for all my noobish questions :S
22:58:06	kugel	grml, I can't say whether the old one is wrong and faster due to that, or if both are right or mine is just slower
22:58:50	kugel	I didn't add an if (), so mine shouldn't be slower in theory
22:58:54	Torne	did anyone see my post earlier about adding exit-time cleanup support to pluginlib_exit?
22:59:08	Torne	frotz leaks filehandles if exit() is called, so i thought i should add a mechanism
22:59:19	Torne	it's no code at all if you aren'tusing it, but i'm not sure about the look of it
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22:59:32	Torne	http://pastebin.com/mdf5ab6c
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23:07:29	nima	Is there any reason to load the database to RAM on a flash device?
23:09:51	JdGordon\|	not really... maybe slightly faster
23:12:17	*	EpicCynd thinks the sound quality is better than it was with Sandisk's firmware :)
23:12:25	nima	Thanks, JdGordon\|
23:17:34	CIA-9	New commit by torne (r24189): pluginlib: Support calling a function at exit time to clean up open files ...
23:18:03	gevaerts	Torne: have you seen my related-but-different patch at FS#<mumble>?
23:18:11	Torne	i've seen it, yah
23:18:17	Torne	it looks ok
23:18:32	Torne	rather than depend on that, i have done this so taht frotz can clean up its handles properly despite using exit()
23:18:34	*	GodEater giggles at FS#<mumble>
23:19:23	Torne	it was only leaking if it encountered an os_fatal() but since that only means the plugin did something wrong it shoulnd't mess up the rest of the system :)
23:19:41	Torne	this is just a poor man's atexit()
23:20:10	Torne	you still have to write the code to close the handles
23:20:23	gevaerts	indeed
23:20:41	EpicCynd	you guys are probably going to get a small donation from me... I loves my new rockbox :D
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23:21:38	Torne	frotz is basically done, now, then
23:21:54	Torne	oh, no, i was going to make it an overlay for low mem targets
23:22:02	Torne	i don't have a low mem target to test it on, though :)
23:22:15	gevaerts	I'm still not sure if this close-all-filehandles patch should be a plugin API feature (i.e. plugins can assume that it's there and not bother closing everything), or rather a debug feature, which possibly splashes and panics
23:22:23	Torne	yeah, i'm not sure
23:22:30	Torne	when i suggested it i meant the former
23:22:36	Torne	but i don't know that that is such a good idea after all
23:22:51	Torne	did you decide if there was anything in core that would open files on behalf of a plugin?
23:23:04	kugel	that is strange
23:23:34	kugel	"width = xmax - x + 1;" −−> "width = xmax - x;" costs 13fps
23:23:49	gevaerts	I don't think there is, but I haven't really checked
23:24:48	kugel	how's that possible
23:25:21	Torne	gevaerts: i think a debug feature is probably more sensible
23:25:53	Torne	originally i was annoyed because i realised that exit() bypasses all the logic that would normally clean up by longjmping straight to the end of plugin_start
23:26:06	kugel	(the following memory transfers are proportional to width, so making it 1 smaller should increase fps)
23:26:10	Torne	but the patch i just committed is probably a much better way to deal with that than closing the filehandles automatically
23:26:16	DerPapst	kugel: fun. no idea. you should check the asm i guess
23:26:33	Torne	make exit() less dumb rather than making the plugin launcher smarter ;)
23:27:17	gevaerts	so I guess it should panic, but only get enabled for debug builds
23:27:34	Torne	sounds reasonable
23:28:31	Torne	do i need a manual entry for frotz for it to be committed, btw?
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23:28:42	Torne	well i say be committed
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23:31:09	*	kugel cannot explain it
23:31:17	kugel	o well, maybe I can
23:31:49	kugel	the following transfer is more complex if width is odd
23:33:04	JdGordon\|	Torne: well... plugins shuold get manual entries, but I dont tihnk anyone will yell if it comes later
23:33:35	Torne	JdGordon\|: hm. i guess it's more secret code for "i hate TeX, might someone else write a manual entry if i chicken out" :)
23:33:44	*	Torne has a look at the source for the manual
23:35:00	Torne	is there a way to refer to pluginlib actions in the manual?
23:37:30	b1uebrother	Torne: theoretically yes (check manual/platform/keymap-*) but I don't think actions have been added for plugins yet.
23:37:45	b1uebrother	maybe that's a good reason to start it? ;-)
23:37:56	Torne	based on looking at the existing ones i'd guess no
23:38:17	Torne	since the button table for dice.rock is rather large despite being just PLA_QUIT and PLA_START :)
23:39:08	CIA-9	New commit by bluebrother (r24190): Set the layout direction of the dir tree when setting up the widget. ...
23:39:23	Torne	yeah it doesn't ahve the plugin contexts, i guess because they are crazy and all clash
23:39:33	Torne	it's a shame though because frotz only uses generic_context so is nice and sane )
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23:46:53	pixelma	way too many pluginlib action contexts to be useful in the manual currently
23:48:42	kugel	after spotting what's wrong and fixing everything is way faster now
23:49:41	Torne	pixelma: yah, probably.
23:51:48	kugel	I'm on fixing that, don't worry :p
23:56:50	JdGordon\|	how bad would it be to hide flags in the top 8 bits of the colour variables in the viewport structs?
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23:57:46	kugel	JdGordon\|: the viewport struct has a flag field, use that
23:58:13	JdGordon\|	I know

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