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#rockbox log for 2010-01-08

00:01:01JdGordon|never :)
00:01:06JdGordon|try a second d
00:01:27saratoga!seen blue_Dude
00:01:31saratogathis isn't working
00:03:35B4gder /msg logbot seen blue_dude
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03:12:17darkhamplease, someone with a 16gb micro sdhc and a fuze
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03:20:27saratogaif you have a question just ask it
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03:30:55soapJdGordon, it would be cool and all - but I'm having a hard time (and you can blame my weak brain) imagining what /useful/ info I could get.
03:33:19JdGordonnone outside of debugging
03:33:57soapoh, then we're in total agreement! ;)
03:34:47soapadd tags for _every_ variable!
03:35:38*JdGordon has no problems implemenitng *fun* features even if they are totally useless
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04:12:04JdGordon*If* I'm able to make the WPS playlist viewer's text customisable, is there any real reason to use the exsisting wps tags if only a small subset will be supported?
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04:30:50*flyback has fucking had it with 10 yrs of fucking vnc and random fucking pasteFAIL
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05:03:53JdGordonhell yeah! http://imagebin.ca/img/DyqnHRD1.bmp the first 3 lines are coming from the skin engine!
05:04:21JdGordoni.e |%pp.%ia - %it| is in the wps code
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08:41:35amiconnTorne: You will get ACTION_NONE for filtered button events/combos, e.g. with chained contexts. That is expected behaviour.
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09:11:53CIA-9New commit by 03funman (r24199): Clivp2: Fix typo when applying FS #10047 ...
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09:29:41tfxgood morning at all
09:30:14tfxI need some technical / detailed help with the rockbox autmatic installer
09:30:53tfxand report some bugs here, which I can't solve
09:36:05tfxI've read already all the manuals, documents, faqs and open bugs trackers
09:36:53Unhelpfulbug reports should go to the bug tracker. what problem are you having with the installer?
09:37:26tfxi'm using the iriver H10 6GB UMS mp3 player and want to install rockbox with the autmatic installer
09:37:51tfxbut the automatic installer will not install the bootloader, so I don't know which file I need to use rockbox correctly
09:38:28tfxand even the links to the manuals (pdf, html and downloads) result in "404 file not found" error messages
09:39:12tfxthe manuals itself only explain the use of the 20 gb players but not the 5 / 6 gb ones
09:39:31Unhelpfulthe 5/6GB have their own manual
09:39:39Unhelpfulhttp://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-iriverh10/rockbox-build.html
09:40:00Unhelpfulor maybe not. both entries link to the same url :/
09:40:01tfxbut the healine said : The Rockbox Manual for Iriver H10 20GB
09:40:06tfxyes indeed
09:40:48Unhelpfulwhat exactly happens when you try to use the installer?
09:41:11tfxit installs all the rockbox files, fonts, themes,
09:41:18tfxwhern i want to install the bootloader
09:41:29tfxit renames the original firmware
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09:41:53tfxbut will not download or copy the bootloader to my mp3 player
09:42:31tfxinstead the install overwiew said all is done correctly there is no h10.mi4
09:42:40Unhelpfulwe appear to have some bootloaders for iriver besides the one linked in the manual: http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/iriver/
09:42:43tfxinside the system directory listed
09:43:08Bagderhttp://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/iriver/H10.mi4
09:43:24Unhelpfulunfortunately i don't have an iriver myself :/
09:43:35tfxthanks unhelpful
09:43:43tfxand bagder
09:43:44Bagderthat's an uppercase H, I wonder if that's the reason
09:43:54tfxis this the correct bootloader file i need?
09:44:09Bagderyes
09:44:46tfxi don't know the installer said all is done, but perhaps the download links are broken or changed, cause the manuals links are broken too inside the installer
09:45:35tfxi think its the best to create a directory for every mp3 player type and but the bootloader files inside these directories
09:46:00tfxso it's more clearly
09:46:07pixelmathe 5/6GB H10s should have their own manual (and once had), because the screen is a different dimension and I believe there are differences in the installation process (because if UMS etc. devices)
09:46:23pixelmaI wonder if it has to do with the target rename still
09:46:47tfxI don't know
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09:47:04tfxafter i download the file rockbox will launch correctly
09:47:16tfxbig thanks
09:47:40tfxnow all is fine
09:47:51tfxso you only need to repair the installer
09:48:44tfxand yes I have a different screen resolution
09:49:15tfxbut if there are differences in the installation process i don't know
09:49:38tfxi only know there are differences between the ums and mtp devices
09:49:58tfxwhich were already explained inside the h10 20 gb manual
09:50:05Bagderno, the installation process is the same for them, just different bootloaders
09:50:57tfxso you only need to change / repair the download links to the bootloader entries
09:51:07S_a_i_n_tquestion: Is it possible to display an image at 'n'% of the currently playing track in a WPS?
09:51:20S_a_i_n_tcould %px be used conditionally?
09:51:56pixelmathat was more of an internal message. About the difference - I *believe* all big H10s are MTP whereas the small can be MTP or UMS or something like that
09:52:39tfxi only know that the mtp devies will not ship out with the 'plus' software
09:53:12tfxbut you could find out your device by watiching the original firmware booting screen
09:54:33tfxthe mtp device bootscreen wil display an "pfd initialize" message
09:54:42tfxsource: http://www.misticriver.net/wiki/index.php/H10_Firmware_Conversion:_MTP/UMS
09:56:05tfxso thanks again for your help and please make rockbox better ... can't wait for the next release :-)
09:56:11tfxbye
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09:58:01S_a_i_n_tanyone? can the %px tag be used as ( %px?<%xda|%xdb|%xdc| etc.> ) in a WPS?
09:59:29pixelmaI'm not sure but if at all then it should be %?px ... doesn't sound like it would make sense to me though
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10:00:35S_a_i_n_toooops, sorry, typo
10:00:53S_a_i_n_tI'm trying to make a 'progress bar' that'll run backward
10:01:42S_a_i_n_tany suggestions on a better way to do it?
10:02:11pixelmaI'd think just %px would do that then
10:04:49S_a_i_n_tI'll try it, thanks. I was looking through all the tags and couldn't find a better way to do it, 'better' being based on %px actually working as I hope, if not then.....? :/
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12:37:57cheszillaIf my ipod 5th gen is flashing 'do not disconnect', is it still safe to rockbox it?
12:45:11Torne?
12:45:26Torneit always flashes do not disconnect while it's plugged into a host computer, until you eject the device
12:45:37cheszillai've never had an ipod that did that before. :|
12:45:52cheszillait just showed the swirling arrows that showed its syncing.
12:46:06cheszillaor an icon with a cable init
12:46:18Tornewhenever it's in disk mode it displays the do not disconnect screen..
12:46:23cheszillaok
12:48:17S_a_i_n_tALL my iPods have displayed the 'Do not disconnect' screen when plugged into a host, I've never seen any different.
12:49:12cheszillaI've had a nano before, maybe its just got a slightly different interface
12:49:13cheszillathanks though
12:49:59S_a_i_n_tI'm talking about a nano as well
12:50:17S_a_i_n_tmy 1st and 2nd gens display that screen when plugged in
12:50:55cheszillamy nano displayed this: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2107/2208557358_0aeafba51c.jpg?v=0
12:51:11cheszillawhat I was getting was this: http://www.woodblock.com/diversions/ipod/images/step_12_large.jpg
12:51:24TorneEr, yes, that's the same screen
12:51:27Tornebut styled different
12:51:36Tornethat says "do not disconnect" in different words :)
12:51:45cheszilla:P thats what I'm saying haha
12:51:49S_a_i_n_twhat gen nano is that?
12:51:52S_a_i_n_t3rd?
12:51:57cheszillasame one as mine, I believe so
12:52:05cheszillaI got mine, may 08?
12:52:11TorneAnyway, yes, all these things mean the same thing
12:52:12S_a_i_n_tnot supported by rockbox
12:52:16Tornethey mean "don't just yank the cable out"
12:52:26Torneit's nothing special :)
12:52:28cheszillaI know unfortunately, S_a_i_n_t :(
12:52:32cheszillathanks Torne :)
12:52:49S_a_i_n_tpersonally, I think the 3rd gen is hideous
12:52:58S_a_i_n_tit kinda broke the nano mould a bit
12:53:13cheszillaindeed
12:53:16S_a_i_n_t4th gen got it right again
12:53:29cheszillaspeaking of ipods, do you know if a rockboxed ipods will still scrobble to last.fm?
12:53:36cheszilla^ipod
12:53:47S_a_i_n_t5th carried it on, I like my 5th gen nano, can't wait til I can rockbox that
12:53:56S_a_i_n_tbut I might have to :(
12:54:02cheszillajust rockboxed mine
12:54:06cheszillait looks pretty :)
12:54:28S_a_i_n_tthere are settings for scrobbling somewhere
12:54:31Tornecheszilla: there is an option to enable logging of played tracks to a file
12:54:32S_a_i_n_tso I guess so
12:54:36S_a_i_n_tcheck the manual
12:54:39Tornecheszilla: you then need to use some PC-side or web-based tool to upload the log
12:54:49Torneit's not done automatically by the last.fm player as with the OF
12:54:52Tornebut it's not difficult
12:55:05cheszillaok cheers
12:55:06cheszilla:)
12:55:40Tornehttp://www.rockbox.org/wiki/LastFMLog
12:55:51*S_a_i_n_t has wondered for ages wtf scrobbling was...
12:56:05cheszillahaha
12:56:14Tornei don't think we call it scrobbling in rockbox any more
12:56:16*S_a_i_n_t doesnt 'scrobble'
12:56:37Torneonce audioscrobbler stopped existing as a seperate thing it's easier to just talk about last.fm logging
12:56:44cheszillaoooh
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12:57:57S_a_i_n_twhat exactly *IS* Last.fm? what does it do?
12:58:31Tornego look on their website. this is offtopic :)
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13:00:04cheszillaanother question, because I am an idiot at the best of times, what directory do I copy all my music to?
13:00:14cheszillajust the (E:) Ipod?
13:00:18Torneanywhere you like
13:00:26cheszillacool
13:00:55cheszillammm copytime
13:02:34cheszillathanks for all the help guys. :)
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15:03:48CIA-9New commit by 03tomers (r24200): Manual: Add some of the tags that are documented in the Wiki but are missing ...
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15:37:45GodEaterinteresting
15:38:00GodEaterI can see the button to approve account removals from the forums, but I get told to sod off if I push it.
15:44:30soapGodEater, the headphone jack microphone port isn't enabled on the 4th gen iPods?
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15:44:48soapIs /only/ the dock-port line-in hardware enabled across the board?
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15:52:18CIA-9New commit by 03mcuelenaere (r24201): Ingenic Jz4740: simplify RTC driver (you will need to re-set the clock)
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16:00:10mcuelenaerehmm Rockbox's alarm feature only supports setting hour/minute?
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16:03:02Torneis it likely to cause horrible user confusion if the in-game menu in frotz is only available some of the time?
16:03:29Torneit's not very easy to get [more] prompts to behave the same as the actual game prompt with respect to the menu options
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16:27:12GodEatersoap: as far as I know only the 3rd gen ipod had that microphone feature in the headphone port
16:28:55soaphttp://ipodlinux.org/wiki/Recording
16:29:06soapone of their poorer documents, but.
16:32:57GodEaterinteresting
16:33:04GodEaterI really thought it was just the 3G
16:33:13GodEaterI could have sworn I've seen linuxstb tell people that too
16:37:13soap_Rockbox_ may not support it on the 4G - it is that point I was unsure of.
16:40:11GodEaterI've no idea to be honest
16:40:34GodEaterit seems the thread I recall was about a nano
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16:59:38soapyes, there is that infamous thread where someone pumped heavily amplified audio (guitar IIRC) into their Nano and was trying to convince everyone else they had found the magic solution to recording on the Nano/5G.
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17:32:14domonokyenthdegree: yes, the the statusbar is now completly themeable.
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18:15:21enthdegreeHow wyoud I go to do it?
18:15:47enthdegreeEr, I'd like to set my WPS icons to my statusbar icons, is that easily doable?
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19:33:57kugelalso, data abort in pictureflow if the statusbar is disabled
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20:19:08JdGordon|gevaerts: does the apps/ layer have any way to know which disk is active?
20:19:19JdGordon|like for the wps "disk active" tag
20:27:32gevaertsJdGordon|: I don't think so
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21:18:26Tornedoes anyone have an opinion on me just committing the FS #10107 ipod startup workaround now, so that it's in 3.5, for all models with the relevant power management unit?
21:18:41Tornethe poll shows that it happens on most of those models at least
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21:24:03gevaertsTorne: if the risk of seriously breaking things is reasonably small, go for it
21:25:41AlexPI obviously can't comment on the code, from the other points of view I say go for it
21:25:53Tornea related question is should we document the weird cosmetic behaviour that results somewhere
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21:26:09Tornewith the workaround, on poweroff the screen flashes up the "dead battery" symbol with the backlight off, which then fades slowly
21:26:24Torneit's not super obvious but you can see iit if you look
21:26:34Torneand you can't power back on immediately, it doesn't listen for a few seconds
21:26:38AlexPMaybe a note in the manual if you can find a good place? Probably at the same place as we tell how to turn off
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21:29:09pamaurygevaerts: what do we do with the leaked file handles in plugins ? Do we put a splash ? Do we keep only the logf ? Do we do more ? (that would mean more code and more space usage)
21:30:29gevaertspamaury: My recent thoughts were to enable this for debug builds and panic
21:31:47JdGordon|pamaury: if its a real problem we could have a step between the pluygins and the real open/close calls to keep track of them and release and leaked handles when the plugin exits
21:32:56pamauryMy question is two fold: first, do we want this autoclose feature in all builds ? second, what do we do to inform the user (it can be silent for usual builds and panic for debug)
21:33:00pamaury?
21:33:26pamauryBut who uses debug builds ? (real question)
21:33:40gevaertswe know leaked filehandles are not a very serious problem today
21:34:06pamauryindeed (in plugins)
21:35:22pamaurySo silent handling and panic for debug ? That's ok for me. I'll write this based on your patch, I think it's useful to keep the logf
21:35:35gevaertsAlways adding it somewhat gives the signal that leaking filehandles is OK
21:35:41gevaertsI'm not sure if we want that
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21:37:38pamaurySo we should signal it to the user. I feel it's better to inform the user to fix the problem later
21:38:17pamauryBut the only "free" way to do this seem to be splashf to me. logf is silent, panic is too violent
21:38:29gevaertssplashf will be confusing
21:38:57gevaertswhich is why I'm not convinced we want this
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21:41:38pamaurybut designing a whole screen for that is overhead
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21:42:38gevaertsno, I mean that just telling *every* user that something is wrong will confuse lots of people. This is something for developers
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21:43:10pamauryBut the very nature of the leaked file handle makes it impossible to report it without being obscure
21:43:11JdGordon|which goes to the argument of why the heck the debug menu is in user builds...
21:43:23bertrikbut we do want people to report leaked file handles, right?
21:44:02pamauryIf the device say: "report <technical thing> to RB team" then the user don't have to understand it.
21:44:06pamaury*s
21:44:46pamauryIt's the same in pc software: the application crash, you send a bug report but here it's more difficult.
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21:45:04pamauryOr we can write a "bug report" to a file and tell the user to report it
21:45:44pamaurywhat do you think ?
21:45:45gevaertspamaury: have a look at http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20100108#12:37:57 . How will those users respond to any sort of splash telling them that something is wrong?
21:47:49pamauryarf, users can be *stupid* sometimes
21:49:37bertrikI do like the idea of writing a bug report, preferably in some kind of standard format, and have support in rbutil to report it back somehow
21:50:23gevaertsthat could work
21:51:00pamauryI also think it could be a good solution. Just tell the user that a problem arised and to plug the device and run rbutil
21:51:48JdGordon|wouldnt it be better to just make sure to close the files?
21:51:55bertriknow we just need a volunteer to sift through automatically generated bug reports ... :)
21:52:07gevaertsJdGordon|: yes
21:52:17bertrikJdGordon, the ideal solution would be to fix the plugins
21:52:55pamauryYes but how can you know there is a problem if you don't report it ;)
21:52:55gevaertsWhich is why I still think that we should only bother people if they run a debug build, or possibly a special testing build
21:54:25bertrikthe last time I tried a debug build, it didn't even compile... I guess basically nobody runs debug builds
21:55:58pamauryDebug builds are no used. But why not a special testing build. Could be useful for testers and during RC.
21:56:37bertrikWhat would be the difference between debug builds and testing builds?
21:57:08pamaurydebug menu and this ? ;)
21:57:09bertrikI mean, we now already have debug builds that nobody runs, why add yet another class of builds?
21:57:32JdGordon|pamaury: my feeling is that non release builds should have this debug info and the debug menu, release builds shuold have neither
21:57:53pamauryI agree
21:57:53*gevaerts agrees with JdGordon|
21:58:23gevaertsand RC builds have neither as well. If they're too different from release builds, they can't really be used as release candidate
21:59:01pamauryOk. How do you differentiate between release and non release builds ? Is there a define or something ?
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22:00:47gevaertsMake a HAVE_* define for the feature, and document it enough (maybe on http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/ReleaseChecklist?)
22:01:35JdGordon|theres a patch for that
22:02:33pamauryfor what ?
22:02:39JdGordon|well, I started a script to do the release builds which set the version string and a #define which would be used if #ifdef out the debug menu
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22:08:14pamaurygevaerts: if we have a HAVE_* flag, then it mean that it should be set except for release builds. So I should set it in config.h ?
22:08:31gevaertsyes, probably with plenty of comments
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22:12:47JdGordon|http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10278 is how i did it
22:13:03pamaurygevaerts: in you're patch, why use an open wrapper when it's disabled ? You can skip it and call open directly
22:13:51pamaury*your
22:14:52gevaertspamaury: mainly because that patch wasn't done with disabling in mind
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22:40:19mcuelenaerehmm would anyone know how to debug a serial/uart signal? (am using a bus pirate as ttl->usb converter)
22:40:42bertrikmcuelenaere, look at it using an oscilloscope ...
22:41:10mcuelenaereI don't have an oscilloscope
22:43:52bertrikmaybe you can couple the signal into your soundcard using by reducing the voltage a bit with some resistors and a capacitor to block DC
22:45:00pamaurygevaerts: I'm not satisfied with splash, what do you think about it ? If the timeout is too small it's easy to miss it but if it's too big it's annoying. I would prefer a screen where do press select but I don't know how to do it :(
22:45:49JdGordon|use the yesno screen "widget" then
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22:46:31pamaurybut yesno but yesyes is a bit clumsy ;)
22:46:46pamaury*but->for
22:47:10mcuelenaereperhaps I should look into the bus pirate's logic analyzer's mode
22:47:14pamauryBut that would work.
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22:48:45bertrikI've successfully used the trick with the sound card as a kind of poor-man's-oscilloscope to figure out protocols on 433 MHz gadgets
22:50:34JdGordon|pamaury: IIRC you can set the test to anything
22:51:07JdGordon|that screen just provides a relativly simple api to dump so text
22:51:23mcuelenaerebertrik: the problem is I don't have any resistors nor capacitors
22:51:55pamauryJdGordon: What do you mean ? It will always provide a yes/no option. Of course, you're free to ignore the result. I am wrong ?
22:53:07JdGordon|hmm.. you may be right
22:55:08pamauryIt's not a problem, it thought to yesno screen immediately and because it's would be for non-release built, it's not a problem but still I asked the question.
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22:55:54pamaurygevaerts: what message should I provide to the user ? (I guess it should be localized ?)
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23:08:17*JdGordon| *really really* wants a "repeat action" item in the file browser context menu
23:08:25JdGordon|deleting 15 songs is painful
23:09:12AlexPyou mean to be able to multi-select? That'd be very nice
23:09:27JdGordon|same outcome, but done differently
23:09:57pamaurywhat would "repeat action" mean ? RB can't decide which item to delete in the folder
23:10:08pamauryBut multi-select would be great, sure
23:10:09JdGordon|the context menu would remember the last thing you did (delete/ playlist insert/ etc) and you'd then be able to just chose the "repeat" item to do it
23:10:33amiconnHow would that help?
23:10:33JdGordon|but yes, multiselect would be in every way better
23:11:20bertrikor you could have the context menu automatically select the last used action
23:11:27amiconn'Delete' would still have to present its confimation screen
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23:11:31pamauryI don't like the idea of "repeat action", how it can be better that multi-select ?
23:11:35JdGordon|on targets with a spare button it would be one click
23:11:46pamaury*than
23:12:02JdGordon|its not better, multiselect just involves alot more work to implement
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23:12:16bertrikyou could just use MSC for mass deletions
23:12:16pamauryClearly
23:12:45JdGordon|not without a cable :)
23:12:50JdGordon|and delete was just an example
23:12:59AlexPbertrik: Obviously, but if you follow that logic why do we have cut/copy/delete etc at all
23:13:23bertrikAlexP, for small numbers of cut/copy/delete
23:13:37pamauryyes but even a few is a pain
23:13:45AlexPwithout being able to multi-select small numbers = 1
23:13:56AlexPwithout being a complete pain in the arse
23:14:05bertrikI disagree
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23:15:02pamauryBut multi-select would be problematic also because how can you differentiage between context-menu and multi-select ?
23:15:37pamaury(or add select options to context-menu)
23:15:49bertrikpamaury, those could be different buttons (or button combinations)
23:15:59AlexPyeah, interface is problemativc
23:16:10pamauryOn some target, there are no free buttons
23:16:25LloreanI'd say for multi-select just make it the first option in the context menu
23:16:37LloreanSo hold, tap, highlight next, hold, tap, highlight next, hold, tep
23:16:39Lloreantap
23:16:49LloreanNot much worse than just long-select for it.
23:17:04bertrikthat would take about the same time as just deleting them one by one in the first place, I think
23:17:08LloreanNot really
23:17:10AlexPnope
23:17:15amiconnWell we could have a select mode (indicated by a special cursor or similar)
23:17:16JdGordon|na, the first option would be "start multi select", then tap tap tap then long press to get the options
23:17:20LloreanYou get the confirm each time I think. As well, you have to scroll in the context menu each time
23:17:22AlexPmore presses down, a confirm dialogue for each file
23:17:33pamauryFor copy/cut, it's a use time saver
23:17:35LloreanAnd multi-select isn't just for delete (it could also do cut, copy, insert, etc)
23:17:39AlexPAnd cut/paste is even worse than delete
23:17:41pamaury*huge
23:18:01*Llorean would rather be able to just multi-select via context menu than having to choose "start multi select" each time
23:18:22JdGordon|it would be less presses for you
23:18:31JdGordon|start would obviously select the current item also
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23:18:49LloreanI would say "start" *shouldn't* select the current item if it's going to be that way
23:18:58JdGordon|this is all silly talk though because multiselect is a huge amount of work
23:19:01pamauryI would prefer a "select this file" item as well as a "select all in directory" and "unselect all"
23:19:01LloreanIt doesn't say it does, so it'd surprise people
23:19:40JdGordon|ok, so its still less presses than your suggestion
23:19:48pamauryJdGordon|: we are free to dream of features ;)
23:19:52JdGordon|in total you need 2 long presses
23:20:05*amiconn wonders how huge the necessary work would actually be
23:20:22JdGordon|huge being non-trivial :)
23:20:49JdGordon|at a minimum its figuring out how to store the selections, and then make every item support it
23:21:00bertrikon some of the targets I have, right and select currently do the same (activate the current item). Could we use select to select a list item and right to activate it?
23:21:17JdGordon|thats another posibility
23:21:23LloreanAlso deciding when to "reset" selection is important, since a user may not be looking at the folder(s) where old selected files are.
23:21:24pamauryBasically keep a list of selected file and for each context menu action, handle multi-file case. For most it's a natural extension, just do it for each file.
23:21:27JdGordon|thats actually very logical :)
23:21:57JdGordon|Llorean: you wouldnt be able to select outside of the current list
23:22:09JdGordon|list being folder in the browers case
23:22:22amiconnThe file browser already has a list of the directory contents. How hard would it be to add a 'selected' flag?
23:22:59JdGordon|amiconn: that would be dangerous wouldn't it? updating the dircache entries
23:23:08*JdGordon| would want the selection stored with the llistview somehow
23:23:12amiconnI'm not talking about dircache
23:23:26amiconnThat doesn't even exist on lowmem targets
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23:23:36JdGordon|I know
23:23:50JdGordon|the layer underneath the file browsers list
23:23:55amiconnyes
23:23:58LloreanJdGordon|: I don't really like that, but it would simplify things since you'd never have selected things out of easy visual range.
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23:24:27amiconnThat layer already stores various information about the files, e.g. whether an associated .talk clip exists
23:24:36JdGordon|which is all static
23:24:48amiconnI mean information that's *not* directly coming from the directory entry for that file
23:25:57pamauryHaving a more powerful listview which allow some items to be selected (to have graphical feedback) seems natural to me because you're limited to a directory. Even though I don't know how all this work
23:26:08amiconnWell, the list changes anyway when changing directory, so it's not really static
23:26:40JdGordon|even if that could be done cleanly, I stil think the selection should be stored with the list and not the contents
23:26:45JdGordon|makes it more generic
23:27:32JdGordon|something like just setting a small buffer on the list struct to use
23:28:12JdGordon|or at worst, using a callback ( :( more callbacks on the list widget_
23:28:14*amiconn prefers the KISS approach
23:28:54JdGordon|the file browser is not the only list which would use this if it were avilable
23:29:21amiconnIf it were available generically, yes
23:30:02Spaceghostsomeone knows if exist another accesoy similar to the Nike and Ipod for run?
23:30:11amiconnBut the file browser is probably the list where it would help the most, and since it already has a variable-sized list, it would probably be easier to implement it there
23:31:04*JdGordon| back in 30
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23:31:30Spaceghostthat accesory is support on rockbox? have a bluetooth conection? maybe that will be interested?
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23:38:58evilnickSpaceghost: There's no bluetooth support within RB currently
23:39:26AlexPThere aren't any targets with bluetooth either
23:39:33AlexPTo the best of my knowledge
23:40:36pamauryThere are some targets with wifi, no ? That's strange there aren't any with bluetooth
23:40:46AlexPpamaury: Are there?
23:41:00AlexPI can't think of any with wifi
23:41:17pamauryPerhaps not any supported one, you're right ;)
23:41:39SpaceghostI am talking about the accesory
23:41:47SpaceghostNike + iPod Sports
23:42:08Spaceghostdid you head about something similar without need a ipod?
23:42:28AlexPNo
23:42:43AlexPAnd as evilnick says, there is no bluetooth support in Rockbox
23:42:47Spaceghostif I use that, I only can use with the ipod firmware true?
23:42:52Spaceghostnot with rockbox
23:42:54AlexPI would say so
23:43:04AlexPGood job you can dual boot :)
23:44:03Spaceghostbut the storage is limited, exist the possibility of using the database of ipod on rockbox?
23:44:14SpaceghostI heard in FAQs that that is difficult
23:44:19AlexPno, but Rockbox will build its own database if you want
23:44:22Spaceghostbut may be I can?
23:44:27AlexPFrom the tags on your music
23:44:48AlexPYou cannot use the itunes database, but you can use the Rockbox database with the songs transferred with itunes
23:44:52Spaceghostbut you understand me? for example
23:45:11SpaceghostI have a ipod nano of 2G of 2gb, the storage is limited
23:45:19AlexPyes, I understand you
23:45:22*pamaury wonders how many people actually use this nike+ iPod thing
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23:46:04Spaceghostand I would like heard the songs in the two firmwares (because when I need use the nike accesory I need apple firmware)
23:46:08Spaceghostcan I do that?
23:46:12AlexPYes, as I said
23:46:17AlexPYou cannot use the itunes database, but you can use the Rockbox database with the songs transferred with itunes
23:46:30Spaceghostahh
23:46:32Spaceghostgreat
23:46:37pamaurySpaceghost: there are two distincts things: the files and the database. The files are present on the disk whathever the firmware is. The database is something the firmware to use to gather information about music and it's relatively small.
23:46:39Spaceghostsorry
23:46:51AlexPSpaceghost: No problem :)
23:46:55Spaceghostnow I understand you
23:47:14AlexPNo worries, it is somewhat confusing
23:47:22AlexPToo many uses of the same words :)
23:48:14*pamaury wonders how many stupid-things-like-the-nike+-ipod-kit the iPod Touch/3GS/... supports ! There are as useless as the pictureflow plugin ;)
23:48:15Spaceghostso, that is, I will share the files but not the database. "Songs continue with the names assigned to them encrypted iTunes?
23:48:37AlexPSpaceghost: DRM encrypted songs won't work in Rockbox
23:49:01AlexPSpaceghost: And the "names" the songs have in Rockbox comes from the tags (e.g. ID3 tags for MP3)
23:49:10SpaceghostI amn not talking about that
23:49:31AlexPSpaceghost: I don't understand the "encrypted iTunes" then
23:50:06GodEaterhe means the obfuscated names
23:50:07Spaceghostwhen I read the ipod in the computer, (as a external hard disk) I only see folders, and songs
23:50:11AlexPah right
23:50:13Spaceghostyes, that!
23:50:24GodEateryes, the names will remain obfuscated on disk
23:50:29GodEaterbut playback isn't affected
23:50:36AlexPSpaceghost: No problem, the Rockbox database uses the tags on your files, not the file names
23:50:50GodEaterthe only real problem it presents is playlists
23:50:54pamauryThe tag are not obfuscated but the names are ? That's trange
23:51:03pamaury*strange
23:51:12AlexPpamaury: They are just standard files that have been renamed
23:51:22Spaceghostbut the songs will continue "obfuscated"?
23:51:36pamauryYes but why rename them ? And they are renamed to what ? "music-0001" ?
23:51:42AlexPSpaceghost: The filenames, yes but the Rockbox database uses the tags, not the filenames
23:51:56AlexPpamaury: They are also put in weird folders
23:52:03AlexPand renamed to eg HFGS
23:52:10GodEaterpamaury: it achieves a couple of things
23:52:20GodEaterit keeps the path length to one fixed value for the itunes database
23:52:36GodEaterand it makes getting your music off your ipod and giving it to your friends a bit trickier
23:52:41Spaceghostyes, but I would like to know if I can that the songs will with her reals name, and continuos reading by the ipod firmware
23:52:48AlexPno
23:52:50GodEaterno you can't Spaceghost
23:52:51SpaceghostI think that is not possible, true?
23:52:53Spaceghostok
23:52:54GodEateryou used to be able to
23:52:57AlexPyes, it is not possible
23:53:09AlexPitunes/the ipod apple firmware doesn't let you
23:53:09GodEaterbut apple stopped their firmware reading files anywhere outside the ipod_control folder
23:53:16GodEaterand with files names over 4 characters in length
23:53:17AlexPRockbox doesn't care
23:54:02pamauryYou can put music with iTunes and read it with rockbox but you can't put music as external hdd and read it with apple firmware. I am correct ?
23:54:18AlexPexternal hdd?
23:54:44*GodEater is confused too now
23:54:57pamauryYou can plug a device and browse is as a mass storage device no ?
23:55:05AlexPTo an ipod?
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23:55:14GodEaterall ipods we run on present as mass storage...
23:55:18Spaceghostbecause may be I can find that practice for heard in the dvd-hometheater, for that I have asked
23:55:34AlexPSpaceghost: Sorry, I didn't understand that
23:55:39GodEaterSpaceghost: sorry, your translation software made a mess of that
23:56:19Spaceghostyes, sorry my english is bad, I don't use a translation software anyway
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23:56:42GodEaterah sorry - I was just guessing :(#
23:56:58pamaurySpaceghost: which language(s) do you talk ? Perhaps someone can translate (we never know) ?
23:57:00Spaceghostmay will be better to do
23:57:05Spaceghostspanish
23:57:23GodEaterpamaury: in private messages only please - we keep the channel to english
23:57:41grant___u could use google translate
23:58:04pamauryI don't really speak spanish anyway, I would be ridiculous ;)
23:58:22grant___btw ive got a bug for the ipod nano 2nd gen
23:58:34grant___my stereo channels will randomly swap
23:58:41pamauryI don't think google translate output will be readable english, will it be ?
23:58:42GodEatergrant___: yes, this is a known issue
23:58:46AlexPgrant___: That's known
23:58:49grant___kk
23:58:51GodEaterpamaury: it might do ;)
23:58:53AlexPgrant___: And is on flyspray
23:58:58grant___sry

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