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#rockbox log for 2010-01-10

00:00:35AlexPbluebrother: So for committing a new lang file, I have svn added it and set keyword on it, but do I do anything to that line? i.e. just adjust the filename, or remove it, or what? :)
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00:01:32bluebrotheryou can leave the old data in that line. The keyword is $Id$. Everything after Id and before the second $ gets replaced
00:01:40AlexPcool
00:02:12AlexPthanks for that
00:02:52bluebrotherafaik the server only saves $Id$. When using git svn those lines only contain that string, so one can spot missing svn:keyword properties rather quick when opening a file ;-)
00:03:02AlexPah, a nice trick :)
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00:04:04bluebrotherwell, one can of course also use find -exec or xargs to go through all files but ... ;-)
00:08:53CIA-9New commit by 03alex (r24209): Update Esperanto and add Slovak languages: ...
00:11:13*AlexP forgot CREDITS
00:13:13CIA-9New commit by 03alex (r24210): I forgot to add the authors of r24209 to CREDITS. Many thanks to them!
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00:32:55Tornesoap: committed the workaround
00:33:11Tornesoap: we still have absolutely no clues whatsoever about a proper fix
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00:42:05Casainhodomonoky: I just saw now your Sansa e200 dock 3D printable, with Rockbox logo :-) :: http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1555
00:42:18domonoky:-)
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00:42:49Casainhodomonoky: and when a box for Mini2440?
00:43:20domonokysomeday :-)
00:43:28Casainhodomonoky: I started the design but didn't finish it... :: http://lyre.sourceforge.net/?q=content/design-mini2440-enclosure
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00:49:28mrspeedy1hi, is there any way for Rockbox HID to add mode of USB Prank device?
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00:52:32pamauryI suppose a plugin could do so, no ? Isn't there a way for plugins to send HID messages ?
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00:59:39pamauryWhat does __PCTOOL__ stands for ?
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01:03:58soapTorne, just curious if there had been discussion (and perhaps a breakthrough) somewhere outside of the tracker I hadn't seen. Thanks for the clarification!
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02:12:04S_a_i_n_tpamaury: I was reading up on what I missed whilst sleeping, ans I too have found that the screen brightness (on all I've tested) for the simulators is indeed quite dim
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03:53:00Unhelpfulit would appear that our printf renders 1<<31 as "-(" with the %d conversion
03:53:50Unhelpfuli noticed in my division test/benchmark plugin, and then tried just doing a printf with "%d" for the format string and 1<<31 for an argument, after a fresh boot (in case something in the plugin was going wrong
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04:15:57Unhelpfuljust rebuilt without eabi, so it appears not to be caused by eabi
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05:17:34NightHawk877I need help using the radio on my D2. I just Rockboxed it today and don't know how to use it
05:20:22NightHawk877I just want to know how to change stations
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05:53:59HillshumWe don't have a D2 manual do we?
05:55:04mc2739yes there is a d2 manual
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07:14:18WillwolfeDoes anybody know if there will be a reverse bootloader patch available for sans e200v2 like for v1?
07:15:28saratogaWillwolfe: probably not, making one would be fairly dangerous, since the boot decision is determined before the bootloader even runs
07:15:40saratogawhoever tested one would risk bricking their player
07:18:31WillwolfeSo at present there is a dual boot with plans to remove it later when all is stable for release if I understand the forums. If I want to retain this I should not update the bootloader if this dual boot feature is removed.?
07:19:00saratogadual boot won't be removed
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07:20:37saratogayou need it in case rockbox can't boot for some reason
07:20:39WillwolfeCool. I was just hoping that the default could be changed to sansa OF if this was preferred for music playback interface.
07:21:32saratogadepends how good you are at ARM assembly and how willing you are to lose a player or two in the process
07:22:05JdGordonno official bootloader ever will put th eOF first
07:24:03WillwolfeThat is why I was inquiring about a reverse bootloader patch like was available for the v1. I am just a Dad trying to improve mpeg playback on his daughters Sansa. I use RB on my Gigabeat and would never go back for obvious reasons.
07:25:55saratoga#ifdef USB_PIN /* TODO : remove this check when we'll have an USB driver */
07:26:11saratogaat least someone thought ahead when the AMS patcher was written
07:32:07WillwolfeI think this is where I got the idea about the reverse bootloader "http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=39463" but it was unfortunately for the v1.
07:39:01Spaceghostthe iRiver H100 series
07:39:12Spaceghosthave a 50-pin connection to hdd?
07:43:38JdGordonwww.rockbox.org/wiki/HardDriveReplacement
07:43:57Anorion|eeeI miss my iRiver H340
07:44:03Anorion|eeeshould have never sold it
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07:46:22Spaceghostis hard to find one?
07:46:42SpaceghostI am thinking to buy one as recorder
07:46:58*S_a_i_n_t suggests ebay or similar
07:46:59Spaceghosta iRiver H110
07:47:04SpaceghostI am searching
07:47:28Anorion|eeethe h100 series is different from the h300 series
07:47:32Anorion|eeebut still a damn nice player
07:48:11SpaceghostAnorion|eee, but as recorder is better the h100 series?
07:50:17SpaceghostI found one h120 for U$S 60 + U$S 12 to USA, but I don't live in USA, may be that is a problem
07:53:02Spaceghostah no
07:53:45Anorion|eeewhat kind of recording are you wanting to do?
07:53:55Spaceghostbut I need buy the charger separatily
07:54:01Anorion|eeeI didn't have very good luck with recording college lectures with it
07:54:14Anorion|eeebut for voice notes, or whatever
07:54:21Anorion|eeeor with an external mic
07:54:24Anorion|eeeit was awesome
07:54:30SpaceghostI am searching for recorder my class
07:54:38Anorion|eeeah
07:54:54Anorion|eeeI currently use an old Creative MuVo TX FM
07:54:59Anorion|eeeit works well enough
07:55:23Spaceghostthat is difficult because teachers stay too far, and there are many noises that interfere, but anyway, I coul heard the most with some generic mp3
07:55:39Anorion|eeethough I recently acquired a Sansa Clip, and that seems to have slightly better recording quality, muuuuch better battery life, and 8gb of space
07:55:41Spaceghostmay be I can reduce the interfere with a audio edition then?
07:56:06Anorion|eeecan you put the player on the teacher's desk?
07:56:12Anorion|eeethat's what I usually do
07:56:25Spaceghostuhmm
07:56:40Anorion|eeethen I run the resulting file through audacity and normalize the volume, to compensate for the teacher walking around
07:57:14Spaceghostis difficult to my currentily class, but maybe on next year and in some assignatures yes
07:57:48Spaceghostuhmm
07:58:04Spaceghostsometimes the teacher use a microphone that have a radio connection
07:58:13Spaceghostto big speakers
07:58:22Anorion|eeethat always makes it better
07:58:40Spaceghostmay be can I intefere that radio connection? or may be will be so difficult?
07:58:57Anorion|eeeno, the player shouldn't interfere with the radio
07:59:12Anorion|eeebut if you mean, you want to pick up the radio signal directly?
07:59:19Spaceghostprobabily will be a short frecuency, no? for that is difficult?
07:59:23Spaceghostyeah
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07:59:32Anorion|eeeprobably not, unless it's on a frequency that the player can pick up
07:59:48Spaceghostbut I don't know what frecuency use, only can get if is a FM frecuency, true?
07:59:54Anorion|eeeand I know nothing about PA systems
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08:00:00Anorion|eeethat sounds about rigt
08:00:03Anorion|eeeright*
08:00:09S_a_i_n_tany FM tuner should be able to pick it up
08:00:22S_a_i_n_t*should*
08:00:26Anorion|eeeyeah
08:00:41Anorion|eeethe one class I had that used a radio PA used 660 AM
08:00:43S_a_i_n_tbut without knowing what it's broadcast at, hard to say
08:00:47Anorion|eeewhich was annoying
08:01:00Anorion|eeemore players need AM tuners, imo
08:01:22S_a_i_n_tDAP's are usually marketed globally
08:01:28Spaceghostneed to figure out which system they use, do not think it fm
08:01:30S_a_i_n_tand AM isn't as common as FM
08:01:39Anorion|eeeI know
08:01:44Spaceghostexist a target that have a AM receptor?
08:01:59S_a_i_n_tdon't think so...
08:02:02S_a_i_n_tnot sure
08:02:08saratogai think there are practical issues with fitting an AM radio inside a DAP
08:02:19Spaceghostis possible add one with a mod?
08:02:21Anorion|eeealso, interference issues, I think
08:02:49Anorion|eeereally, though, I think the real issue is demand
08:02:58Anorion|eeeno one but us nerds use AM anymore
08:03:03Anorion|eeeheh
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08:03:15Anorion|eeeI also have a shortwave that I use quite often
08:03:17S_a_i_n_they, I'm a nerd, and I don;t use Am lol
08:03:28Spaceghostnot asking for that (of class), but good news and many other programs are in the AM
08:03:43Anorion|eeeyep
08:03:48Anorion|eeeradio dramas /o/
08:03:51S_a_i_n_tdepends what country you're in I guess
08:04:17Spaceghosthere the FM is mostly used for music, and music that I listen and I have in the player
08:04:38Anorion|eeeexactly
08:04:53Anorion|eeeand here, if you don't like rap or country, there is no station for you
08:04:59Anorion|eeeand I hate them both T__T
08:05:04SpaceghostxD
08:05:19Anorion|eeeXP
08:05:20Spaceghostare you from texas?
08:05:24Anorion|eeeyeah
08:05:24saratogaif you just want to discuss radios, try rockbox-community so that everyone else doesn't read about this in the logs
08:05:29Anorion|eeeokay
08:05:40Spaceghostsorry
08:06:07Spaceghostonly I said that because I prefer a player that have AM to FM, for that reason
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08:21:14SpaceghostAnorion|eee, I just asked a friend of that, and told me that they used outside the FM commercial band
08:21:31Anorion|eeefigures
08:22:11Spaceghostmay be if a do a addon of a player, I can put a more fm receiver broader?
08:22:40Spaceghostfirst, I must find out exactly who frecuency they use
08:24:37Anorion|eeeit might be easier t buy a shortwave radio and just run the output of the radio to the mic input on your dap, IF IT HAS ONE
08:24:42Anorion|eeeeep caps
08:25:33Anorion|eeeif it doesn't have a mic input port, you can always unsolder the built-in mic and add one on
08:26:33S_a_i_n_tprovises it has a built in mic of course :P
08:27:17Spaceghostwell
08:27:25SpaceghostI need se if has a DAP
08:28:03Anorion|eeeof course
08:28:21*Anorion|eee is studying pinouts for the ipod 5g
08:28:25Spaceghostbut, I think that the microphone only have the emisor, and I can't manipulate the microphone of teachers
08:28:51Spaceghostand the receptor is to high
08:28:52Anorion|eeegonna wire it into my car, since the battery is toast
08:28:54Spaceghostto access him
08:30:07Spaceghostwell
08:30:10Spaceghostanyway
08:30:49Spaceghostnow I'm thinking, I believe it is still easier to sit as far forward as I can
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10:44:18Spaceghosthow can I get more information of h100 iRiver?
10:44:28Spaceghostare a page on rockbox about her components?
10:45:11Spaceghostmay be reading the manual?
10:45:29SpaceghostI only found the page of her status
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11:03:35bluebrotherSpaceghost: well, depends on what kind of information you are looking about. The manual is always a good start ... :)
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12:11:11GodEaterSpaceghost: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/HardwareSchematics#Schematics_of_the_iriver_iHP_120
12:11:37Spaceghostoh
12:11:41Spaceghostgreat, thanks GodEater
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12:13:46Spaceghostwell some complex for me
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12:14:18Spaceghostdo you know if all models of h100 series have a connector ZIF or a connector of 50-pin?
12:14:18syriusis there a plugin to view html files?
12:14:35GodEatersyrius: no
12:14:43GodEaterSpaceghost: they all have 50 pin
12:14:58syriusso I have to convert to text GodEater ?
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12:15:14syriuswhat's a good program on linux to do that?
12:15:18syriushtmltotext?
12:15:28GodEatersyrius: not really on topic for this channel
12:15:39syriusit has to do with rockbox
12:16:25syriusokay
12:16:30syriushmm
12:16:49Spaceghostwell in that case
12:17:10Spaceghostmaybe will be a good idea buy a 50-pin adapter
12:17:15Spaceghostto CF
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12:58:38bertrikI'm going to experiment today to get the audio on the ams sansa running from a different PLL, so that we can improve the audio sample rate accurac
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13:12:25bertrikthis will cost a little extra power, the datasheet mentions 2.5 mW typical, which works out to approx 0.8 mA extra battery current while playing (I guesstimate the total battery current at about 30 mA)
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13:49:21pamauryIs it normal than under simulator (simulating e200) if I keep 2 pressed (mouse wheel right), then the device backlight off after a while ?
13:49:57Buschelbetrik: in fact this not "little extra power". ~1mA will be hard to compensate and will shorten the runtime by >30 minutes (when assuming >16h runtime as I can see from the e200 runtime page)
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13:53:24bertrikBuschel, some people will still prefer the better pitch
13:53:52bertrikthis is a comprise between audio quality and power consumption that is not very clearly settled yet IMO
13:54:02pamauryThis can be yet another a settings !
13:55:04Buschelbertrik: well, at least it will be a good start to have a patch to be able to evaluate and make a decision
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14:00:34bertrikhm, it seems I can't even enable PLL B yet :)
14:01:05bertrikI guess the current PLL initialisation code skips some steps for PLLA that can't be skipped for PLLB
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14:22:58bertrikyay, I can enable PLL B, now see what happens when I attach it to the audio clocks
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14:27:00bertrikhm, I think it works, PLL B is now enabled and used for the audio clock and I'm hearing audio played back at normal sample rate
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14:29:48Buschelis the difference in clock precision audible to you?
14:30:08bertrikno
14:30:38bertrikbut I'm just playing some random audio, not some test track and I don't have perfect pitch
14:30:49bertrikpitch perception
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14:32:17Buschelok. any option to measure the current?
14:33:21bertrikWe'd have to either measure it directly or derive it from runtime measurements, there is no built-in current measurement facility on the ams sansa
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14:34:28BuschelI remember saratoga had the possibilities to do such measurements
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14:38:15pamauryI'm a bit puzzled, why is usb_drv.h there is a usb_drv_startup function which is not called anywhere ? (is is something specific to usb-arc ?)
14:38:35pamaury*-is+in usb_drv.h
14:40:03pamauryAnd the same applies for usb_drv_reset (usb-arc specific one again ?)
14:42:15pamauryAnd the usb_drv_attach function seems to have the same particularity !
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15:24:48CIA-9New commit by 03bertrik (r24211): Sansa AMS: allow use of PLL B for more accurate audio sample rate (0.04% instead 0.15% error)
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15:53:54CIA-9New commit by 03bertrik (r24212): Fix svn:keywords property in as3525 target tree
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17:12:01amiconnbertrik: Can you change the pll in use for the cpu core?
17:12:28bertrikI think so, but I'd have to study the data sheet to be sure
17:13:55bertrikit looks like I can freely choose between the two PLLs and the crystal frequency for the cpu core, but I'm not sure I can just switch clock source on the fly
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17:55:59amiconnbertrik: If that's possible you could save power by only enabling the 2nd pll for boosting
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18:12:19pamaurygevaerts: could you tell me when you'll have time, I have questions on the usb subsystem ?
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18:13:02gevaertspamaury: I'd guess tomorrow evening
18:13:15bertrikI kind of like the current ams sansa boost scheme where we can boost without delay
18:13:28bertrik(i.e. not having to wait for a PLL to start up)
18:13:33CIA-9New commit by 03tomers (r24213): Revert r24174 following the discussion on mailing-list
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18:14:09bertrikOTOH, we do already wait for the CPU voltage change during boost/unboost
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18:42:56BuschelI am not really happy with the commit of r24211. I would have preferred a patch in flyspray first. This could be tested and measured regarding power consumption. A decision whether to submit or not should be made based upon all relevant information and not just upon fractions of percentages of clock precision. <- Just my opinion of course.
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18:52:56bertrikthe patch is in http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10906 . r24211 just makes it possible, but doesn't actually change the clock configuration
18:56:01Buschelbertrik: my fault. then everything is fine me of course. sorry :-)
18:56:09Buschel*for me
18:57:20saratogahttp://shop.kineteka.com/Products/100-sansabreakout.aspx
18:57:34saratoganice cheap way to get a multimeter onto a Sansa if anyone is interested
18:57:52*soap is a little confused. Is the PLL on and sucking power in current SVN, just not being used, or is it only drawing power when said patch is applied?
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19:21:42bertriksoap, there are two PLLs of which currently only one is enabled, the patch enables the other one and uses it for generating an audio clock that more accurately creates the default sample rate
19:22:11soapok, so the commit does not turn on the PLL, just provides the framework for using it?
19:22:23bertrikexactly
19:22:35soapSorry for the confusion.
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23:16:47Unhelpfultimings with no special cases are a bit slower than libgcc, a bit faster if numerators are generally >= divisors. that seems the most profitable special case to add, anyway, as it doesn't rely on either being selected from a specific distribution, as long as the distributions are roughly similar about half of divisions will have results <1
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23:19:29JdGordonthere is either a bug in "insert shuffled" or "insert last shuffled", i havnt investigated at all but creating a playlist with "insert shuffled" a few times, then doing "insert last shuffled" does do what I'd expect
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23:25:31pixelmaJdGordon: could you be a bit more descriptive?
23:26:44JdGordonnot really... do "insert shuffled" a few times, then skip to almost the end of the playlist, then do "insert last shuffled" and not where the tracks are added
23:26:54JdGordonthey should all be after the current track
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23:28:22JdGordonit seems those 2 inserts dont actually effect eachother so I;m not sure hwats going on
23:30:30pixelmas/not/note?
23:30:50pixelmasomewhere in the first statement.. ;)
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23:32:44JdGordon"so I'm not sure whats going on"
23:32:56gevaertsJdGordon:
23:32:57JdGordonit looks like moving the current track shouldn't matter either
23:33:12gevaertsJdGordon: I suspect "not where the tracks are added"
23:33:30JdGordonah, yes
23:34:02pixelmayeah, took me some more reads to understand that
23:35:02JdGordonsorry :/
23:36:02*JdGordon isnt sure if this is related to insert shuffled, or recursive insert
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