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#rockbox log for 2010-01-11

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00:08:25anewuser<−− happy sansa c250 rockbox user
00:08:25anewuserthanks \o
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00:12:01gevaertsanewuser: you're welcome :)
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00:58:08Spaceghostare a port of rockbox to motorola u9? only for e2 rokr?
00:58:20Spaceghostand the a1200
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01:05:26pamauryIs it me or usb_drv_ack is no used anymore ?
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05:10:48S_a_i_n_tis there a list of all current WPS tags available anywhere? if so, where may I find it?
05:11:51S_a_i_n_tyou got pasta?
05:11:56evilnickS_a_i_n_t: Try the wiki
05:12:04S_a_i_n_tooops, wrong window.
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08:12:29sinucthe link for WNprolog at http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/PluginDict is obsolete, the new version can be found at http://wordnetcode.princeton.edu/3.0/WNprolog-3.0.tar.gz - however the package doesnt include wn2rdf.pl, is there any ofther place i can fint it?
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08:41:06GodEatersinuc: wn2rdf.pl is included in the rockbox source code
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09:16:49JdGordon|thats got my attention.... assuming its actually doable would it be outright rejected?
09:17:21GodEaterI don't know
09:17:27GodEateras I say, I'd quite like to see it
09:17:40GodEaterand as you say, it'd make life easier on targets where we boot rockbox from SD
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10:26:09pamauryGodEater: I didn't advance much because I didn't have lots of free time and now I'm trying to code what will eventually save me lots of time: a usb driver for the simulator !
10:27:38pamauryAnd I also have a pending dircache bug to solve but this is less funny than the two things above :)
10:27:50GodEaterhehe
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13:43:11heftigthe current ipodvideo64mb daily and latest builds actually contain a gigabeat build!
13:43:26Bagder!
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16:29:07SteWieHhow likly is it to brick your ipod installing rockbox?
16:29:31Torneimpossible
16:30:01Torneipods can always be restored using itunes, or by following the manual restore instructions on the wiki
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16:30:43SteWieHaww so even if it does get " bricked' by clicking the restore to factory settings it will unbrick it then?
16:30:54Torneyup
16:31:01Tornethat will format the drive, so your music will be gone
16:31:03Tornebut you should have a backup
16:31:07Torneyou can't stop the player from *working*.
16:31:34SteWieHaww didnt know itunes would recognize it if it was bricked
16:31:58gevaertsit wouldn't, but bricking an ipod is really hard, and rockbox can't do it
16:32:00Bagderuh, it isn't bricked then
16:32:35gevaertsSome of us have tried, and our advice is: if you want to brick an ipod, use a hammer
16:32:59Bagderor drop if from a medium-sized bridge
16:33:03SteWieHLOLZ
16:33:23SteWieHthanks guys. you have been MOST helpful. glad to hear that i cant truly brick my ipod installing it
16:34:10Torneit's also very unlikely for anything to go wrong at all; the ipod install procedure is pretty simple and works for basically everyone :)
16:34:42GodEater_provided you follow the instructions and do it as an administrator
16:34:45SteWieHalso one last question. I do have a 5th gen ipod. but if some wierd reason it isnt comp with rockbox. rockbox wont try to install right?
16:34:52GodEater_if you don't, it'll just fail, and nothing will have changed on your ipod at all
16:35:48TorneSteWieH: there's no way for an ipod of a supported model not to be compiatble
16:35:53Tornethere is no such reason :)
16:36:28SteWieHwell im only asking in case for any reason it got refurbished
16:36:41Tornethe newer generations are *totally* different hardware
16:36:48SteWieHIm buying it second hand and I dont wanna "brick" it 2 minutes into owning it
16:36:49Torneevery single component is different, basically
16:37:02Torneand every generation is a different physical size, etc
16:37:11Torneso it's not possible for it to have become a different model
16:37:19SteWieHohh ok
16:37:27SteWieHyou guys are way helpful
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16:37:50Tornethe only thing that can possibly be wrong is if it's a 60/80gb ipod which has had its logic board replaced with a 30gb ipod's board
16:38:06Torneand even then it will still install fine
16:38:29Torneit just won't play audio properly, and you can fix it in thirty seconds by putting a 30gb build on there instead
16:39:45*SteWieH nods
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16:40:11Torneso yah. make sure you have a copy of your music and whatever else is on there, just in case, but you can go right ahead :)
16:40:39SteWieHwell the music would still be on my hdd and I honestly doubt Im going to be deleting it just because I own a ipod XD
16:41:14TorneI'm just saying. Some odd people actually keep all their music on a portable ;)
16:41:54SteWieHnot me cause Im always changing music on my ipod depending on my mood/ where I am going
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18:28:22freddybTorne, you awake?
18:28:30Torneyes
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18:29:29freddybFor the Frotz plugin, would you consider disabling the output in err.c? Errors can take up a lot of screen and block the result of the turn.
18:31:16pamauryis there any usb expert around here ?
18:31:35Tornefreddyb: They're only output once
18:33:45Torneeach one, that is
18:33:47Tornebut yes, they could be annoying
18:34:08TorneIt's a setting in frotz, I just haven't exposed any of the frotz settings to the UI yet
18:34:17Torneneed to finish making it, er, work properly first.
18:34:29Tornealso not entirely sure how th ebest way to store settings is
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18:34:55TorneThey shouldn't block the result of hte turn, though..
18:35:11TorneThey should be going through the same buffered output system as the rest of the output, so it should just do a [MORE] prompt.
18:35:27freddybOK, i've been playing around with Curses and it seems to be OK, except for some quirks with the small screen.
18:35:38Tornethere's a bug in the code to support timed input, though, so sometimes more prompts get dismissed without you pressing anything
18:35:55TorneYah, the small screen i can't do anything about
18:36:11Tornegames handle it with varying degrees of success
18:36:20TorneA future version might support proportional fonts
18:36:27Torneat which point text is much more likely to fit nicely
18:36:40Tornebut it's quite difficult to do so that won't be for a while
18:37:05Tornethere's one or two bugs in the input code left like the one i just mentioned, and then it'll probably be committed
18:37:14Tornemaking it more useful/flexible can happen afterward
18:38:10freddybIt is a good plugin. It's good that it saves/restores. I'll probably play on the laptop and take the Fuze with me to play while I'm stuck waiting somewhere.
18:38:31TorneI removed the code for the old frotz memdump save format to make it smaller
18:38:39Torneit always saves in Quetzal
18:38:56Tornequetzal is the standard for almost all decent interpreters though so it should be pretty compatible
18:39:28TorneI have quite a bit more planned for it before it's actually done, but there's no point in leaving it out of svn once the actual bugs are sorted
18:39:41Torneeasier for people to try it out and give me feedback if it's in the current builds
18:39:54Torneand a plugin being less than ideal doesn't stop anyone using rockbox
18:40:48freddybI think this will be one of the better plugins...
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18:40:53TorneI dunno about that
18:41:02TorneIt's always going ot be fairly limited for playing actual IF
18:41:07*JdGordon1 decides to leave the project because frotz just isnt up to scratch!
18:41:09Tornejust because it's never going to be easy to type on our targets.
18:41:19freddybHa
18:41:28TorneMy actual intention is to bring together resources for making more key-driven games, though
18:41:36TorneI wanted to write a lil RPG type game for Rockbox
18:41:38freddybIt is on MINE ;)
18:41:52Torneand let other people do similar things
18:42:17Tornerather than write it form scratch I've ported frotz so you can use the vast body of existing inform code, much of which is relevant to non-text-input based games as well
18:42:29Torneyou just need to provide menu-driven controls, pretty much
18:42:35Torneand then a set of bindings for the frotz plugin
18:42:46JdGordon1thats certainly the engineers aproach :)
18:42:46Torneand the result should be a perfectly playable game :)
18:42:51JdGordon1even if the porting would be more effort
18:43:00Tornethe porting is actually not been that much effort
18:43:09Torneit's taken me quite a long time only because i have worked on it infrequently
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18:43:16TorneFrotz is *really really portable* :)
18:43:30Tornethe actual changes to the core code to support rockbox are tiny
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18:43:47Torneand even the input/output driver is mostly cribbed from the port of frotz to dumb ansi c
18:44:40Tornefreddyb: so anyway, yes, i intend to provide all of the usual options that frotz has at some point in the future and this includes the ability to change the error reporting mode (don't report, report once, report always)
18:45:04Tornei could change the default for now, though, i guess. it defaults to report once.
18:45:16Torneall the code for the options is still there, there's just no way to set htem :)
18:46:01freddybThat's cool. I've already recompiled with a big honking #if 0... in err.c
18:46:18Torneyeah, you don't have to do that
18:46:29Torneunless you are desperate to save the codesize
18:46:42Tornejust edit dumb_init.c i think
18:46:49Torneiirc that's where all the f_setup values get initialised
18:47:11Torneyah, os_init_setup() in dumb_init
18:47:13Tornesets all the frotz options.
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18:47:37Torneset f_setp.err_report_mode to ERR_REPORT_NEVER
18:47:41freddybI'll do that next time.
18:48:06Tornea few of the options have been neutered, though, and i should remove them
18:48:12Tornebut most of them still work as intended
18:48:44freddybWhat target are you on?
18:48:47Torneipodvideo
18:49:13freddybTorne, thanks
18:49:23Torneyou're welcome
18:49:27Torneglad someone appreciates it
18:49:37Tornewhat do you have, that you don't find it agonising to use the vkbd? :)
18:49:47freddybFuze
18:50:10Torneyeah, i guess a d-pad would be better
18:50:28freddyb(using FS #10763)
18:50:42freddybWhat's a d-pad?
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18:53:47freddybOh, thanks all, I'm out
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18:59:11darkhamno rockbox 3.5 for christmas 2009
18:59:29Tornedarkham: no. well done, you can predict the past. :)
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19:00:53darkhamyes, it's a sad statement
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19:04:55Andee88Hello.
19:06:06Andee88I have a problem with installing Rockbox on a 5th gen Video iPod. The only thing not going as planned is installing the bootloader. After I get the thing to install it returns: "Error reading from disk" and the ipodpatcher.exe shuts down, could anyone help me with this please?
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19:07:16pamaurygevaerts: could you ping me when you're here ? I have plenty of usb questions for you ;)
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19:14:45saratogasince someone was asking, what happened to the source zip? is it only done for releases or actually broken?
19:15:45GodEaterprobably broken
19:15:58GodEaterlots of weird stuff going on today
19:16:12GodEaterapparently we shipped a gigabeat build in the ipod zip
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19:17:38saratogathats been happening since we moved to the new build system
19:17:50saratogathe source 7z file has been gone for a long time
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19:28:12gevaertspamaury: ping
19:28:18pamauryah
19:28:52pamauryFirst I have questions about some functions of the usb subsystems that I believe are unused and should not be declared in usb_drv.h
19:29:01pamauryFor example usb_drv_ack
19:30:37pamauryAnd there also are several functions in usb_drv.h that seems to be specific to usb-arc driver like usb_drv_reset, usb_drv_attach, usb_drv_startup
19:31:04gevaertsnon-public functions should be removed from there I'd say
19:31:35*gevaerts investigates the cases
19:31:58pamauryYes, that's my point, thanks.
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19:32:20pamauryI also have more general questions on the usb subsystem. For example, why is there this in usb.c:
19:32:28pamaury#ifdef USB_ENABLE_CHARGING_ONLY
19:32:28pamaury usb_core_enable_driver(USB_DRIVER_CHARGING_ONLY, true);
19:32:28pamaury#endif
19:32:31pamaury(line 322)
19:33:06pamauryIf the only enabled driver is charger, then the device ends up having no interface
19:33:26pamaury(except if you press the "power button" during usb insertion)
19:33:28gevaertsyes, that's true
19:34:16gevaertsUSB_DRIVER_CHARGING_ONLY is basically there for historical reasons. Targets should use HID instead, but not all drivers support interrupt yet
19:34:38gevaertsand yes, it's the absolutely minimal device that enumerates without errors
19:34:45pamauryI run into the problem because I disabled all other drivers for testing purpose
19:34:50pamaury*ran
19:35:41pamauryAnd also, can there be control messages on EPi with i!=0 ? In the case i!=0, the driver shouldn't call usb_core_control_transfer ?
19:35:42gevaertsyou shouldn't do that :)
19:35:54pamauryWhy ?
19:36:14gevaertsI mean having only USB_DRIVER_CHARGING_ONLY
19:36:30pamauryThen what should I define to have charger only ?
19:36:37gevaertsHID
19:36:56gevaertsalthough that will probably give you the same problems
19:37:08pamauryYes but I'm coding a driver than don't support INT for now !
19:37:08gevaertsusb.c wasn't designed for no data transfer
19:37:31gevaertsif you have USB_DRIVER_CHARGING_ONLY + USB_DRIVER_STORAGE, things will work fine
19:37:52gevaerts(or USB_DRIVER_CHARGING_ONLY + USB_DRIVER_MTP)
19:37:57pamauryBut if I don't support either bulk for now ? (that's really preliminary support)
19:38:08pamaury;)
19:38:27gevaertsthen you'll have to hold the button designated for power-only
19:38:34pamauryBut on the simulator ?
19:39:03pamaury(this is a usb driver for simulator)
19:39:49gevaertsIn general, if a usb driver doesn't support bulk, it should not define USE_ROCKBOX_USB. If you have different needs, you work out the logic :)
19:40:14pamauryIt doesn't support it for now but it will eventually
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19:41:08pamauryBut I see lots of potential synchronisation problems and the usb subsystem is quite hard to understand so I'm first trying to have control transfers work.
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19:41:35gevaertsyou probably want to make usb_power_button() return true for now I think
19:41:43gevaertsThe you can use *only* USB_DRIVER_CHARGING_ONLY
19:43:04pamauryFor now, I have changed the lines above to enable the driver. I'll return to normal code when the driver will be complete enough
19:43:25gevaertsthat works
19:43:38pamauryBut you didn't answer to this question:
19:43:40pamaury"And also, can there be control messages on EPi with i!=0 ? In the case i!=0, the driver shouldn't call usb_core_control_transfer ?"
19:43:53gevaertsI was still thinking of the previous one :)
19:44:19gevaertsI don't think I've ever seen control on EP!=0
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19:45:26pamauryBut it's theorically possible ?
19:45:35gevaertsI'm checking the spec
19:46:01pamauryI don't see anything that prevents it in the spec but it's so large that I could have miss it
19:46:16gevaerts"A function can, but is not required to, provide endpoints for additional control pipes for its own implementation needs"
19:46:24gevaertsThat seems pretty clear
19:47:16pamauryWhere is it ?
19:47:28gevaerts5.5
19:48:30gevaertsbut again, I've never seen anything that uses it, and I'm not convinced that common device controllers can do it
19:49:00pamauryYes you're right, I missed it. I'll try to handle that, normally that's no problem in my case but anyway, Rockbox don't use that "feature"
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19:51:03pamauryOk thanks, perhaps I'll have other questions later.
19:54:00gevaertsok. Have fun :)
19:54:56pamauryYes thanks
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20:48:09JdGordon|there is defintly something wrong with insert last shuffled!
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20:49:09JdGordon|can anyone check the login in playlist.c to make sure its actually sane?
20:50:36blbefwhat would be the recommended mp3 player with at least 16 gb?
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20:58:21JdGordon|is there any reason why "insert shuffled" shouldnt always act like "insert shuffled but after the current track"?
20:58:26Unhelpfulblbef: i'm fond of my gigiabeat s, but the install process is not as polished as on supported devices. some of the sansa devices come with 8GB and have microsd slots (which support sdhc under rockbox) so that's also a route you could take
20:59:29pixelmaJdGordon|: it does as far as I can tell
20:59:35pixelmaor at least did
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21:01:32JdGordon|hmm.. ok
21:01:50JdGordon|need to check the code to be absolutly certain though but my very quick test suggests it does
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21:03:51blbefunhelpful: under 16 gb is no option for me but it seems there is no flash player available
21:04:49JdGordon|depends what form factor and how old you are willing to go
21:05:07JdGordon|ipod mini 2nd gen + 32GB CF card work great (my current dap of choice)
21:05:21JdGordon|or the sansa e200/fuze and a 16GB microSD chip work also
21:10:58blbefok i dont have to buy something today but from time to time i see about actual development, and after christmas its a good time...
21:12:13blbef32 gb looks good but it seems there is no "great must have product" available at the moment
21:12:40JdGordon|is 16GB *really* required?
21:13:24blbefyes;)
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21:16:32blbefi have 3(4) requirements 1. sound 2. min 16gb 3. small (for jogging) 4. if its with display rockbox (linux) support or plug and play support under windows
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21:18:05gevaertsrockbox (linux) support?
21:18:06Stephen_the e200 or fuze with microsd card would be your best bet then in my opinion
21:18:48*pamaury_ has just noticed than clearly usb-storage requires multi-drive but don't tell it !
21:19:03blbefat the moment i have creative stone (2gb), SanDisk Sansa Clip looks good but 8gb to few..
21:19:06blbefor linux..
21:19:07gevaertspamaury_: huh?
21:20:05pamaury_example: check_disk_present (line 342 of usb-storage.c)
21:20:29pamaury_It can't compile without multidrive
21:20:55gevaertswhy not?
21:20:59gevaertsIt does
21:21:16blbefwhy 16gb requiered? because i my playlist grows..;)
21:21:21pamaury_No it can't, volume is not defined
21:21:51blbef-i
21:22:11JdGordon|blbef: what you actually want is a smart playlist generator on the computer then... 16GB is more music than you could listen to in a week...
21:22:17gevaertspamaury_: check all macros. volume disappears from the source without multidrive
21:22:56JdGordon|having 16gb is convinient.. not required
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21:24:03pamaurygevaerts: It's not compile IF_MD_NONVOID is repaced by void !
21:24:09pamaury*not possible
21:24:42gevaertspamaury: have a look at how storage_read_sectors() is defined
21:25:00blbefjdgordon: i know but the problem is that i would have to change the playlist everytime i go running furthermore i dont want to listen to a song 3 times a day
21:26:04pamauryNo it can't work with simulator because simulator storage_read_sectors is not protected against MD
21:26:59gevaertsok, that might be true.
21:27:26gevaertsthat's not what you said though :)
21:27:28pamauryArg. In storage.h: int storage_read_sectors(int drive, unsigned long start, int count, void* buf);
21:27:43pamauryin stubs.c: int storage_read_sectors(IF_MV2(int drive,) unsigned long start, int count, void* buf)
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21:28:11pamauryThere's a lack of... coherence ;)
21:29:38gevaertscould be :)
21:30:02*gevaerts never meant usb and storage to work on the sim...
21:30:47*Unhelpful was thrown badly the first time he encountered macros that made arguments conditional :P
21:31:03pamauryyes, I'm kind of torturing rockbox simulator
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21:34:34pamauryHum, I lack a usb driver to experiment bulk transfers on both directions.
21:35:01pamauryusb-storage for the simulator doesn't make sense except with ram disk for testing
21:40:33*pamaury appreciate than usbserial compiles without changes on simulator ;)
21:40:57JdGordon|make it make sense!
21:41:47saratogaheh someone on the forums says they implemented volume merging
21:41:47pamauryHow ?
21:41:57pamaurywhat is this ?
21:41:58saratogawould be a nice patch to see
21:42:18JdGordon|in the apps layer though :/
21:42:25JdGordon|I dont tihnk thats where I'd like to see it
21:42:55JdGordon|would having a <unionFS> "volume" in the browser defeat the purpose of it?
21:44:27pamauryI don't really see the union of such a thing. But anyway, what sense could have usb storage with simulator ? To which disk would it read/write ?
21:45:52saratogaJdGordon|: why not just have it as an option?
21:46:05pamaurygevaerts: when a driver does several usb_drv_send on the raw on the same endpoint, the driver is supposed to queue them up to a certain amound.
21:46:32gevaertswhat do you mean?
21:46:51saratogae.g. always make the file trees merged, or never merged
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21:47:40pamauryI mean, if a driver does usb_drv_send say two times on the same endpoint before the device actual send anything. Then the driver is suppose to queue the two transfers or it is supposed to handle only one transfer at a time on an endpoint ?
21:47:51gevaertsone transfer at a time
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21:48:36pamauryok.
21:48:53JdGordon|saratoga: no, sure it would be better to just work from /, but I think it would be far easier to implement if it was a seperate volume
21:49:03*pamaury likes when the core don't ask drivers to request their endpoints, it causes lovely failures...
21:49:42JdGordon|I had a quick look at open() on the bus into work this morning and wondered about recursion problems with trying to figure out which disk to access
21:50:10pamauryrecursion problems ?
21:52:47JdGordon|does /some.file exist on / or <microsd>/ ? open(/some.file).. does it exist on / or <microsd>/ ....
21:53:31saratogaJdGordon|: can't you just completely merge the entire directory tree so that calls to open are transparent?
21:53:46saratogathat way if some.file exists on either volume (or on both volumes) its detected regardless
21:53:56JdGordon|thats the way I'd do it
21:54:11saratogai imagined merging the entire FATs
21:54:12JdGordon|or.. the way I'd like it done
21:54:21JdGordon|no need to go that far!
21:54:31JdGordon|keep it as a layer above fat
21:54:33saratogawell not on disk, but the function parsing them would merge them
21:54:44pamaurysaratoga: merging volume at the sector level is impossible, it can only be done at file level
21:54:45saratogaor yeah one layer up, basically as close to the driver as you can get
21:55:24saratogathats the way the XBMC version works, and its delightfully transparent to everything, even when the volumes are on different PCs
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21:55:57pamaurygevaerts: could you have a look at usbserial.c and tell me if you think it's wrong to set active=true in usb_serial_init because then usb_serial_send could be called before the endpoints are allocated and thus the serial sends data on EP_CONTROL and makes everything fail ?
21:56:55pamauryBut what is the advantage of having transparent merge ?
21:57:06pamaury*is(are) / advantages(s)
21:57:18JdGordon|simpler playlist creation
21:57:19saratogawe don't have to change stuff in apps to make it work
21:57:40JdGordon|saratoga: how does writing work though?
21:57:49gevaertspamaury: good point. That doesn't look right
21:58:12pamauryI think it's a lot more complicated. You have to decice on which volume to create a file. You have name conflicts, ...
21:58:21gevaertsThat line should probably just go
21:58:38pamaurygevaerts: yes, on my drivers it fails miserable. Yes, furthermore, active is set to true on init_connection
21:59:00gevaertsexactly, and that's the only place where it should be
21:59:01saratogaJdGordon|: goes to whichever volume contains a folder, and if they both contain it, you pick a "primary" volume
21:59:37saratogasimplist solution would be to just have the internal volume be primary, external secondary
21:59:41saratogabut i guess it could be an option
21:59:43pamaurygevaerts: Can I remove it from the code ? Or do you prefer to do it ?
21:59:48gevaertsgo ahead
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22:00:13*gevaerts prefers this sort of thing to be done by whoever is actually looking closely and/or seeing issues
22:00:32pamauryI prefer a volume where we have a /<unionFS> which is read/write but don't allow the creation of ambiguous files
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22:03:52CIA-9New commit by 03pamaury (r24214): Fix a bug in usbserial that would allow to send messages on EP_CONTROL between usb init and endpoints allocation via logf.
22:04:14saratogapamaury: having writes fail from time to time is not ideal
22:05:21pamauryNot writes but file creation.
22:05:36pamauryBasically you couldn't create files at root level on /<unionFS>
22:07:33pamauryAnyway, you can't make total sense to file creation on a union FS
22:08:32*JdGordon| is more interested in how it could be used to keep a "stock" .rockbox folder on the internal and a custom/configured .rockbox on the external card
22:09:09pamauryYou'll have to have priority for volumes when there are conflicts
22:10:10JdGordon|yes
22:11:40domonokyJdGordon|: for this you also need this merging capability in the bootloader, or you habe rolo after boot with microsd :-)
22:12:02JdGordon|well yeah
22:12:14JdGordon|but I dont see a problem with fixing the bootloader for this
22:13:09domonokyexcept for targets where bootloader changes are dangerious (hxx0 players).
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22:13:49JdGordon|which dont have multivolume anyway
22:13:50domonokybut those dont have sd.. *slaps head* :-)
22:14:12JdGordon|of course, the same could be done with a button press
22:14:42pamauryWhy is bootloader dangerous on this target ?
22:15:32JdGordon|a bad flash is impossible to recover without special hardwrae
22:15:39domonokypamaury: you need a bdm interface and solder skills to rescue such player from a bad flash.
22:16:12domonokyand i think there are reports that current svn bootloaders for this players are already broken..
22:17:01*pamaury thinks about enable logf debug in usbserial to have a nicely infinite loop ;)
22:17:26JdGordon|poor pondlifes h300 met a terrible broken bootloader :(
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22:23:55AlexPdomonoky: The H300 one is broken
22:24:02AlexPdomonoky: Don't know about the H100
22:24:12AlexPNobody has been brave/fool enough to try :)
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22:25:36domonokywe can probably safely assume that the h100 one is very dangerious too.. :-)
22:27:18pamauryAnd who was the brave one that wrote it first ?
22:28:00JdGordon|LinusN : has the bdm wiggler to do it
22:28:08pixelmasomeone with the necessary hardware for recovery I guess
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22:37:08pamaurygevaerts: is the usb driver suppose to call usb_core_transfer_complete for control transfers ?
22:37:26pamaury(looking at the code, it seems but I'm not sure)
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22:39:47*fml reminds the community about the FS #10867 (Backlight won't turn on after going off) and would like to revert the commit until a proper patch is provided. What do you think?
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22:42:25fml^^ on the sim
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22:43:57pamauryfml: I don't have this problem with the e200 simulator
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22:44:52fmlpamaury: really? hrm... (confused)
22:45:35fmlpamaury: that's nice to know, I'll try to recompile. But I already did it several times.
22:46:10pamauryWell I have my e200 simulator I'm working on for several days at svn HEAD and it works
22:46:41pamauryBacklight turns off but then on if I press a keep. I don't think I modified something that could have change this behaviour
22:47:53fmlI believe you, I just don't understand why it doesn't work here. I have a clean SVN, i.e. no modifications. I run ubuntu in a virtualbox on a windows host.
22:48:42pamauryWell, wait a minute. I build a new simulator on a clean SVN.
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22:49:52pamaurynormal build ?
22:51:38fmlpamaury: ??? Just a sim build.
22:51:49pamauryHuh, sorry
22:52:18pamauryBuilding in progress...
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22:53:52JdGordon|fml: is that the one where the scroll buttons dont turn the backlight back on?
22:54:33pamauryIt works for, simulator build, make bin, ./rockboxui, no problem. Indeed, the scroll don't put backlight on but the other button do
22:55:35fmlJdGordon: yes. Not only the scroll buttons, but any buttons.
22:56:10fmlpamaury: what is "make bin"? I do just make && make install
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22:56:57pamaurymake bin just builds the firmware instead of also building the plugins. I don't think there's a different but I can check
22:57:38pamaury(take ages to build all plugins)
22:58:43JdGordon|get a faster box :)
22:58:52fmlAh, indeed! Just the scroll up/down don't work. Lefr/right turns the backlight on. I think this was differently the last time I tried.
22:59:32fmlJdGordon: what is special about the scroll buttons?
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22:59:52JdGordon|i tihnk the change was to not enable the backlight if you are only changing the volume
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23:00:05*JdGordon| doesnt especially like that change
23:00:55pamauryIt works for me with "make & make install", no surprise
23:01:07fmlJdGordon: but it happens while I'm in the main menu.
23:01:22JdGordon|exactly
23:02:33pamauryBacklight goes on in the main menu when I press a key in the simulator.
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23:05:13*fml haven't heard about the change
23:06:07fmlpamaury: not for me :-/
23:07:06pamauryHow could it behave differently on several machine, that's strange. Is it deterministic for you ?
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23:19:46JdGordon|its the scroll buttons which wont turn the backlight back on... not any button
23:20:04fmlpamaury: yes. It never works. The backlight won't turn on if I press up or down. But it does turn on if I press e.g. "right".
23:20:31fmlJdGordon: what change are you talking about? I haven't heard anything about it.
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23:21:47pamauryfml It seems that all buttons except scrool work for me, I tested power, left, right, up, down
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23:22:40fmlpamaury: ah, so scroll doesn't work for you too?
23:23:06pamauryNo I told you a few lines ago I think.
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23:31:45fmlOk. I have to leave. Bye!
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23:38:37pamauryThe simulator screen is really too dim !
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23:46:22JdGordon|yeah, who changed it?
23:55:28mc2739the dim scren is due to r24042 - prior to that the brightness was always at full - now it follows the setting
23:55:36mc2739*screen
23:57:37JdGordon|it makes sense, but is annoying :)
23:58:02JdGordon|now, if we had unionfs on the sim and a shared config.cfg or fixed.cfg for them :)

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