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#rockbox log for 2010-01-17

00:00:43saratogawhen do manuals get rebuilt?
00:02:35 Quit bmbl ("Bye!")
00:03:07 Quit kramer3d (Client Quit)
00:03:45AlexPsaratoga: Daily at about 6am CET IIRC
00:16:25 Quit FlynDice (Remote closed the connection)
00:18:42nikkodomonoky, i got rockbox loaded by using iLoader! YAY!
00:19:26nikkoso i just copied .rockbox into / on the nano, rebooted into iLoader, selected rockbox, and BOOM!
00:19:31 Quit bertrik ("De groeten")
00:19:43TheSevennikko: that's how it is supposed to be, huh? :-)
00:21:51nikkoyeah, i was tryg to build rockbx for 2gnano on OSX a bit ago, with no luck
00:22:38nikkorbutils isnt building in trunk on OS X
00:23:12TheSevenany idea as to why? (or even a fix? ;-) )
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00:23:58nikkono, qmake runs but no Makefile after
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00:25:11nikkoafter qmake, i get: Project MESSAGE: release
00:26:53nikkoqmake -d sits out LOADS, but nothing that jumps out as an error
00:28:01nikkos/sits/spits/
00:31:38Mode"#rockbox +v Barahir " by AlexP (n=alex@rockbox/staff/AlexP)
00:36:43pamauryHas anyone here a quick way to test simulator builds for all targets and give me the compile results ?
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00:50:21TheSevenbtw, liar, how's your USB/flash fix going?
00:50:39TheSevenhas that received some more testing in the meantime?
00:53:14domonokynikko: where do you run qmake ?
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01:03:04gevaertspamaury: uploaded, same place
01:03:21gevaertsno errors or warnings :)
01:03:28nikkodomonoky, ive run it from rbutils and rbutilsqt
01:03:39saratogaare you close to committing MTP mode then?
01:03:53gevaertssaratoga: different feature, even more crazy
01:04:01saratogawhat is this
01:04:52gevaertsactual usb support in the sim, using a simulated host controller in linux
01:05:00saratogaah cool
01:05:10domonokynikko: you could try if it works from a build directory, like the normal builds. (ie call qmake ..\rbutil\rbutil.pro from <rockboxsource>/buildrbutil/ )
01:05:12gevaertsshould help with debugging and things like that
01:05:18saratogawould it mount in the host os?
01:05:31gevaertsyes
01:06:23saratogaseems like a nice thing to write a news post about, if we had a way to do that . . .
01:06:44pamaurygevaerts: 100% success, terrible
01:08:20AlexPsarcasm?
01:08:54gevaertsAlexP: no, French
01:09:18AlexPer, OK
01:11:04pamaurygevaerts: I put a FS entry for this patch with a quick explaintion of how to make it work, so that others can test it ?
01:11:33gevaertspamaury: yes. I think it should especially be tested on non-linux
01:12:05pamauryAhh, forgot that, it doesn't work non non-linux because the driver is linux only but I guess it won't compile !
01:12:45 Quit nikko ("CGI:IRC")
01:13:05*pamaury grumbles something about having a software compiling under Windows and Linux
01:14:22pamauryOk, I'll put it anyway and people report broken builds. If I have the necessary motivation, I'll install the necessary stuff to build rockbox under my virtual Windows
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01:21:47Mode"#rockbox -R " by gevaerts (n=fg@rockbox/developer/gevaerts)
01:22:46Mode"#rockbox -o gevaerts " by gevaerts (n=fg@rockbox/developer/gevaerts)
01:24:58saratogajust ifdef it out on Windows
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01:26:19pamauryWell there are plenty of modifications everwhere and I'm sure it can be done in a more subtle way.
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01:32:15pamauryFor the ones interested in USB capability for the simulator: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10916
01:32:18pamauryAny comment is welcome
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02:26:19Mode"#rockbox -o AlexP " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
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02:37:53AlexPoops, sorry about that repeated mucking about, not sure what I did there :/
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04:12:19webguest84How safe is it to use sansa 200v2 if you are using Rockbox utility?
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04:13:38saratogashould be pretty safe, all it does it copy a few files over
04:13:51saratogai don't think anyone has broken a player yet with it
04:14:31webguest84even though it is still listed as unstable?
04:15:08saratogayeah
04:16:04Tomiseven if you bricked, you can just restore to the factory software
04:16:14saratogano you can't
04:17:04saratogatheres no real recovery mode, so if you brick the only chance is to try the trick where you short the NAND data pins together
04:17:35saratogathough you have to try pretty hard to brick an e200v2 these days
04:17:36webguest84Whats bricking?
04:17:47saratogathe process of making a brick
04:18:10webguest84Besides that
04:18:25wrywhat is a brick useful for?
04:18:40saratogayou can use them to hold papers on your desk
04:18:42wrywell, that will be what the player will be useful for after it is made into a brick
04:19:12webguest84c
04:19:16JdGordongoto #making-bricks to continue that discussion
04:21:08wryi'll get right on that
04:22:23webguest84How would 200v2 brick then, if its pretty safe?
04:23:25saratogayou could write a program to do it, or change the installer code to
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04:24:36webguest84No, I mean how would it by accident? If there is a chance of it, where does that chance come from?
04:25:09saratogaby accidentally using your programming knowledge to write code to brick your player
04:26:26webguest84so by doing the automatic installation there is basically no chance of it bricking?
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05:15:55Mode"#rockbox -v scorche " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
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05:19:41Topic"Rockbox 3.4 has been released! | Please read before speaking: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IrcGuidelines | Please direct offtopic/social chat to #rockbox-community | This channel is logged at http://www.rockbox.org/irc/" by scorche|sh (n=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche)
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05:28:24pippijnhi all
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05:57:41WillySomething is wrong with the MP3 encoder −− is this already known?
05:59:34JdGordondepends what exactly is wrong about it
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06:01:39WillyTwo things:
06:01:40Willy1) Recording into MP3 format results in a file with no sound (actually has a very strange noise _pattern_, but you have to amplifiy to hear it).
06:01:42Willy2) Opening a WAV with the 'mp3_encoder' plugin results in a file where the audio plays too fast (real fast).
06:01:43WillyI just built off SVN for this test, other formats work right, and here is a sample MP3: http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?ziz4vdnymlm
06:02:20JdGordonopen a bug report
06:02:32Willyok thanks
06:03:46saratogaI'm going to randomly guess that you've got a Sansa, and the problem is that the mp3 encoder doesn't realize the sansa records at lower sample rate
06:04:56Willyyeah, sansa. But still −− I used to be able to record into MP3.
06:06:13Willythe bug report page, wants me to pick a model −− I only have one player, should I say 'all' or only choose mine?
06:06:29saratogafile a bug report, and if possible, figure out which revision it was that broke it
06:06:40saratogaunless you know it happens on all players, I would not pick all
06:07:33Willycan I download old daily builds?
06:08:16saratogaprobably not old enough, so you'll have to compile them
06:08:32saratogawell i guess you could download old releases to narrow it down
06:08:47Willywhat's the command to download past revisions?
06:09:11saratogathe svn wiki page explains it, but I think you add a -r
06:09:42saratogafollowed by the revision number
06:09:57Willyok thank you
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06:17:00endlesswonder is there a way to get Rockbox to work on the iPod classic?
06:17:32funmanno
06:17:57endlesswonderi thought i remember a thing for downgrading it to gen 5..
06:17:59endlesswonderfirmware?
06:18:08funmanUnhelpful, saratoga: the clipv2 reports storage as 2GB, so there apparently no need for bank switching
06:18:18saratogaendlesswonder: downgrade it with a hammer
06:18:34saratogafunman: sorry, I was using a 2GB clip
06:18:38saratogadoes that matter?
06:18:49endlesswondersaratonga, you don't like the ipod gen 6?
06:18:55endlesswonderhonestly?
06:19:07saratogaendlesswonder: I mean you need ot use a hammer to downgrade it
06:19:32endlesswonderbut that won't make it work with rockbox
06:19:40saratogasure it will, once its smashed you go out buy a 5.5G
06:20:01funmansaratoga: we could try on clipv2 8GB to confirm, because the size of one bank is ~4GB
06:20:02saratogadowngrading is that easy!
06:20:04endlesswonderseriously, what's wrong with the gen 6?
06:20:10endlesswonderi'm interested !
06:20:20endlesswonderi mean as far as its design
06:20:34saratogafunman: you mean on unhelpful's?
06:20:36endlesswonderor is it not that, just that rockbox cannot support it?
06:20:44endlesswonderwhy is it difficult to support?
06:20:47funmansaratoga: Unhelpful's clipv2 is 2GB as well i think
06:21:01funmanendlesswonder: firmware is stored encrypted on it
06:21:04saratogathen we still need a 4 or 8 GB one to test?
06:21:34saratogaendlesswonder: have you read the 6G ipod wiki page? if not, you may want to do that now
06:21:44funmanon clipv1/fuzev1 2GB/4GB/8GB, the CSD (which is printed with my diff) is reported as 1GB
06:21:59saratogaah well thats a good sign
06:22:28saratogabut I guess you're still no where near having a working driver?
06:22:59funmanno, i think i found the most interesting parts of the driver since a long time but i still can't make no progress
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06:23:42endlesswondersaratoga, is the Gen 6 intentionally designed to be a pain in the ass for developers?
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06:24:02funmani was trying to find bank switching code which might be simpler to reverse engineer than full data transfer
06:24:23saratogaendlesswonder: yes
06:25:28endlesswonderwhy?
06:25:30endlesswonder:)
06:25:45funmanask Apple, we don't know
06:26:03endlesswonderwell if it's intentional, one must know why
06:26:08saratogait was encrypted to prevent reverse engineering, but that was broken a while ago, so its now not much different then most targets
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06:27:31endlesswonderis the interface/functionality more pain too?
06:27:54saratogaI have no idea
06:28:25endlesswonderok, so i transferred 55gigs of music to it.. anyway to play it?
06:28:29endlesswonderi didn't use Genius!
06:28:32endlesswonder:(
06:28:51endlesswonderi just transferred using windows explorer
06:28:57endlesswonderit says no music found!
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06:29:12funmanendlesswonder: it's offtopic for #rockbox
06:33:02endlesswonderodd there is no svideo out on it..
06:33:13endlesswonderno way to output to tv?!
06:34:25saratogaendlesswonder: to be clear this is a logged channel, so please don't clutter them with offtopic crap
06:35:12*endlesswonder yawns :Oo
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06:52:48JdGordonthe font format is target independant yeah?
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06:55:08pippijnis the boot loader I built from source when selecting h320 in configure good for patching H300.hex?
06:55:32JdGordonsoap: whats up with the boot logo in the ipod accessory test builds?
06:55:38JdGordonpippijn: NO!
06:55:45JdGordondont use the svn bootloader
06:55:50JdGordonit *WILL* brick your h300
06:55:53JdGordonuse the one in the wiki
06:56:02pippijnokay
06:57:03funmanit might be a good idea to print an error message when selecting h300 bootlaoder then
06:58:54pippijnI downloaded bootloader-h[123][02]0.bin
06:59:05pippijnand built fwpatcher.exe in tools/fwpatcher
06:59:58pippijnand downloaded H300_V130(eu).zip
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07:00:42pippijnis that correct?
07:01:00pippijnor maybe I should use v125
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07:02:24pippijnok, it doesn't like 125
07:02:57pippijnH300.hex is now 4MB instead of the 2 it used to be
07:03:00pippijnI assume that's okay
07:06:37JdGordondont assume anything with the h300.. easy to brick
07:06:40JdGordoncheck the md5sum
07:07:23pippijn7fb49041294b3e6aea3894218d6d64cf H300.hex
07:07:34pippijnlooks good
07:07:41pippijnsame as in h300sums.h
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07:11:07pippijnhow full does the battery need to be to do the firmware update?
07:12:10JdGordon>50% to be safe
07:12:19pippijnokay
07:12:24pippijnthen I need to wait till tomorrow
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09:41:53S_a_i_n_tthere's no build for sansa e250 right?
09:42:15JdGordone250 is e200
09:42:33*pippijn now has rockbox
09:42:39pippijnon iriver h320
09:42:40pippijn<3
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09:43:22S_a_i_n_te250 *is* e200...gee, confusing much Sansa?
09:46:45pippijnZ_Init: Init zone memory allocation [...]
09:46:57pippijnZ_init: allocated 29421kb zone memory
09:47:09pippijnplugin returned error
09:47:14pippijndoom
09:47:21pippijnoh, missing WAD file or something
09:48:00S_a_i_n_tpossibly, do you have the freedoom WAD?
09:48:29pippijnI just built rockbox and put it on the hdd
09:48:36pippijnI don't know what WADs are
09:48:40S_a_i_n_tso probably not.
09:48:46pippijnso indeed
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09:48:53S_a_i_n_tcheckout the wiki, can't be more specific sorry
09:49:01pippijnno problem, thanks
09:49:24pippijnmy laptop I/O is kinda dead from reading 20MB/sec via usb
09:49:32pippijnbad I/O scheduling :-\
09:50:41S_a_i_n_tsave you looking :D
09:51:12pippijnI got to nongnu.org/freedoom
09:51:16pippijnoh
09:51:18pippijnthanks
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09:55:08pippijnhow can I shut down the device?
09:55:26S_a_i_n_tdepends on the device
09:55:28pippijnmine has a hardware bug
09:55:39pippijniriver h320
09:56:08S_a_i_n_thardware bug? buttons not working?
09:56:08pippijnwhen I press the off button ("stop"), rockbox says "Battery: Charging"
09:56:23pippijnbuttons are working fine, but it won't shut down
09:56:35S_a_i_n_tand it's *not* charging?
09:56:41S_a_i_n_tis it not plugged in?
09:56:45pippijnno, it's not plugged in
09:57:05pippijnin fact, I always charge via usb, because it doesn't accept the charger anymore
09:57:13pippijnit thinks it's the battery pack
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09:58:35pippijnhm
09:58:51S_a_i_n_tthat's one for the 'weird files'
09:58:57pippijnthis isn't good
09:59:09pippijnwhen plugged into usb, rockbox doesn't power down the hdd
09:59:21pippijncan I somehow force it to?
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10:00:00S_a_i_n_tI'm not an iRiver man myself, if anyone else here is...now's the time to speak up.
10:03:01pippijnstorage_spindown just sets the timeout, as far as I can tell
10:05:13S_a_i_n_tevery RB'd DAP I've ever had/own still has been/or is Flash based...so I'm really no help sorry, I may even point you in the wrong direction.
10:05:15*pixelma wonders about this line in the update thai.lang ".talk mp3 sansaclip"
10:06:22pixelmaupdated too
10:07:39pixelmathere are a few more .talk sansaclips in there but "only" in the desc field - and the "mp3" in this lis line is there in english.lang too, so it is wrong
10:08:00pippijnah
10:08:09pippijnstorage_sleepnow() looks good
10:09:32pixelmafor software codec targets... but I think it's better to have a generic ".talk clips" string and not one for hwcodec and the other for swcodec
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10:11:35S_a_i_n_tpippijn: perhaps this may help http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-iriverh300/rockbox-build.html
10:11:42S_a_i_n_tas much as I hate to say RTFM
10:12:17S_a_i_n_tbut it's always a good start :D
10:15:57pippijnwell
10:16:10pippijnI read that
10:16:27pippijnI am now RTFSource
10:16:53pippijnand I know what function to call
10:16:58pippijnI just need to find out, where
10:17:09pippijnand I need to ask some people if it's safe to do
10:17:25pippijnI think so
10:18:07S_a_i_n_tsounds like a good job for the RB Forums.
10:18:10pippijnon clicking [Stop], I want it to call storage_sleepnow()
10:18:15pippijnthat should be safe
10:18:36pippijnunless the usb_screen app keeps the disk spinning
10:18:42S_a_i_n_tthat'd probably break a LOT of other things that use stop...
10:18:52pippijn usb_acknowledge(SYS_USB_CONNECTED_ACK);
10:18:58pippijnS_a_i_n_t: only in the usb_screen
10:19:10pippijnS_a_i_n_t: the thing that shows up when connecting to a PC
10:19:31pippijnI think that connected ACK tells the driver not to spin down
10:19:38pippijnbut I need to look into that some more, later
10:20:12pippijnoh, apparently, it can be used as HID
10:20:18pippijnthat would break
10:20:38S_a_i_n_tthat's what I was thinking of :D
10:21:27S_a_i_n_tit'd probably break more than that though...just not sure what.
10:22:15pippijnno, I think it's just that :-)
10:22:21pippijnbut that's already too much
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10:22:55Guest9507pixelma: i made a sed s/clip/sansaclip/ when committing the thai lang update
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10:25:39pixelmadid you do so for the other language updates too?
10:26:41pixelmaI only checked thai so far (and english)
10:26:56funmanit was also needed for traditional chinese. i checked before each modification but somehow i missed this one
10:27:55pixelmaneeded because the patches were from before the target rename?
10:28:00funmanyes
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10:32:26pippijnsys_poweroff should shut down the device...
10:32:36pippijnbut it doesn't, for me
10:32:42pippijnit says "Battery: Charging"
10:33:18pixelmais this while connected to USB?
10:33:46pippijnno
10:34:02pippijnactually, I was wrong
10:34:06pippijnsys_poweroff isn't called
10:34:11pixelmaor maybe your H300 "thinks" it's connected. I think I read about cases like this on misticriver
10:34:27pippijnpixelma: yes..
10:34:45pippijnit actually thinks it's connected to the battery pack *and* is charging
10:34:53pippijnbut it only starts thinking it's charging when turned off
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10:35:26pippijnwith the original firmware, I could turn it off but it would say "charging" until I pressed reset
10:35:31pippijnso I can shut it down with reset now, as well
10:35:34pippijnbut I'd rather not
10:36:42funmanpixelma: should I change the bad descriptions in thai.lang or do you plan to change it (to remove mp3) for every lang ?
10:37:10S_a_i_n_tpippijn: so you had firmware issues *pre*-rockbox?
10:37:33pippijnyes
10:37:39pippijnI have a hardware bug
10:37:57S_a_i_n_tget tho OF sorted, and I'd suggest that RB will follow suit...
10:38:05S_a_i_n_t*the
10:38:28pippijnOF?
10:38:40S_a_i_n_toriginal firmware
10:38:49pippijnuhm
10:38:55pippijnwhat do you mean?
10:39:14pixelmafunman: maybe commit a fix first. I would like to change the mp3 thing too but maybe it should be a separate commit
10:39:26pixelmaS_a_i_n_t: it's a hardware bug
10:40:17S_a_i_n_tdon't su[pose it's still under warranty...?
10:40:28pippijnnope
10:40:38S_a_i_n_t:'(
10:40:52pippijnpixelma: are you a developer?
10:42:14pippijnor someone who knows the internals
10:42:34S_a_i_n_thttp://www.rockbox.org/wiki/KnowledgeMap
10:42:41S_a_i_n_thttp://www.rockbox.org/wiki/WhoDoesWhat
10:42:52S_a_i_n_tthat should help...
10:43:05pippijnah
10:44:32CIA-44New commit by 03funman (r24255): thai lang file: revert bad s/clip/sansaclip/
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10:56:23pippijnyay, sys_poweroff does work
10:56:59pippijnit just takes a while
10:59:18funmansys_poweroff_in_an_hour()
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11:01:41S_a_i_n_tthere's your problem lol, expecting something you want to happen to happen immediately...when does that ever work like it should? :P
11:02:42pippijnnot that kind of while but hm.. like 15 seconds
11:03:13*S_a_i_n_t :-0
11:03:25pippijnI'll just hack it so the firmware never thinks the charger is inserted
11:03:28pippijnmaybe that helps
11:03:41S_a_i_n_tprobably not in this case...
11:03:50S_a_i_n_t*maybe*?
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11:04:45pippijnit probably helps this case
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11:04:59pippijnyep, it does
11:05:34pippijnoh wait..
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11:05:45pippijnyep
11:05:57pippijnhttp://ix.io/Fb
11:06:05pippijnthis code wants to know if a charger is inserted
11:06:11pippijnand since the hardware says yes, it never shuts down
11:06:15pippijnnow it does
11:06:43pippijndoes the bootloader usb boot charge?
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11:07:58pixelmapippijn: I think I read about a quite adventurous hardware fix on misticriver - even though I never read it much... weird - I don't know if you can find it still
11:08:23pippijnpixelma: you mean short circuiting the usb port?
11:08:38pixelmait was something like this, yes
11:08:45pippijnI saw it
11:08:51pippijnand it wasn't for me
11:08:55S_a_i_n_twell, that's 'adventurous'
11:09:01pippijnthe person was having my problem in addition to another one
11:09:12pippijnhe fixed the other one with the short circuit
11:09:12pixelmaok
11:09:23pippijnmine is a hardware error
11:09:30pippijnthe charging ic is broken
11:09:37pippijnthe issue is known
11:09:46pippijnand iriver says "send it in, we give you a new mainboard"
11:09:54pippijn(if you have warranty)
11:10:05S_a_i_n_tof course.
11:10:10pippijnof course, I'd have void that if I even had any
11:10:18S_a_i_n_t*sigh*...word of mouth should work lol
11:10:27pippijnwell
11:10:39pippijnthis hack works
11:10:51pippijnI don't need to fix my hardware if I can work around it with software
11:10:52S_a_i_n_tget posting then :D
11:11:11pippijnthose people use the original firmware
11:11:16pippijnthey can't fix it
11:11:31pippijnand my fix is also not exactly the best one could imagine
11:11:48pippijna better fix would probably be adding a software shutdown menu item to the root menu
11:11:53pippijnit's there for some models
11:12:05pippijnI added it, but I prefer my hack
11:12:10pippijnit's faster
11:12:41pixelmawhat happens if the idle shutdown kicks in?
11:12:51pippijnpixelma: I guess that works
11:12:58pippijnhaven't waited for it, yet
11:13:01pippijnlet me check the code
11:13:24S_a_i_n_tthere's probably a reason it wasn't fixed like that to begin with, I'm thinking something may break down the line you haven't noticed?
11:13:32S_a_i_n_tseems to obvious for the devs to miss
11:13:52pippijnS_a_i_n_t: nah
11:14:01pippijnS_a_i_n_t: the iriver devs don't software-fix hardware bugs
11:14:23*S_a_i_n_t is talking about RB devs
11:14:33pippijnah
11:15:00pippijnwell
11:15:25pippijnit would be rather trivial to add a setting "enable iRiver HW Poweroff bug workaround"
11:15:34pippijnand that would probably just work
11:15:48pippijnas for why they haven't done it, yet
11:16:00pippijnI guess nobody has entered this channel with my problem, before
11:16:02pippijnit's rather rare
11:16:07pippijnnot many google hits on it
11:16:39S_a_i_n_t...I'd say there's a reason for it, but as to what the reason is, would just be speculation on my part.
11:17:33pippijnpixelma: the idle timeout would have worked before
11:17:54pippijnpixelma: ah no, it wouldn'T
11:18:08pippijnpixelma: with the charger plugged in, idle poweroff is disabled
11:19:00pippijnanyway
11:19:14pippijnI now need a "force hdd spindown" in the usb screen
11:39:44pippijnexcellent
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12:09:55Az|mobAnybody else in here use an sansa e280 and run an asus p5n-d in their desktop?
12:11:56Az|mobI ask, because after the last month of painfully and constantly rebuilding my system over and over, I find out that my machine has only been crashing on boot when my rockbox'd sansa is plugged in when I boot
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12:13:45Az|mobwhich has costed me an unfortunate amount of money as I replaced 80% of the machine under the impression that the parts in question were toast
12:14:51Az|mobnot that I'm trying to sound like I'm expecting compensation, but if this incompatability could be at least heard, it would make me feel less like shit
12:19:57pippijnso basically, you're saying that connecting a rockbox device to a certain asus mainboard, it makes that mainboard crash?
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12:22:02AlexPAz|mob: Never heard of that
12:22:17AlexPAz|mob: It is fine when plugged in under the OF on boot?
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12:25:08pixelmaor with other USB mass storage devices plugged on boot
12:25:16Az|mobyes
12:26:04Az|mobI have a cardreader plugged in that always has a 2 gig SD card in it in here, my flash drive is usually plugged in...
12:26:29AlexPBut the e200 specifically with the OF?
12:28:30Az|mobthe only times I could actually get the machine to boot while the sansa was plugged it was when I got fed up with it not booting, cut the power for the night and tried again the next morning, in which case the sansa would shut off in the 4 hours I slept, and would start again with the O/F, which would crash because of the SDHC card in it
12:29:37AlexPI'm trying to find out if it is the hardware or Rockbox to blame
12:29:40pixelmais that a "yes" to AlexP's quetion?
12:29:48AlexPNot if the OF had crashed
12:30:05AlexPBut if you never tried with the OF running, we have no idea if it was hardware or Rockbox
12:30:11pixelmawell, the Sansa OF crashes for a different reason
12:30:31AlexPyes, and if it had crashed then it wouldn't be doing anything over USB
12:30:58pixelmawhat happens with the connected Sansa in the OF but without the card?
12:31:06Az|mobin which case the sansa wouldn't show up period
12:31:10Az|mobno clue
12:31:42AlexPThen we can't do much
12:31:44Az|mobI tend not to remove the card, mostly because it's glued in the sansa
12:32:10AlexPIt could either be a hardware incompatability between the sansa and your mobo, or a Rockbox USB issue
12:32:17AlexPBut without testing we have no idea which
12:32:23Az|mobI have a different sansa I could try, which I belive runs the O/F
12:32:24pixelmaI wonder though if HID could have anything to do with it (as then it's not a "simple" mass storage device anymore). What build are you running?
12:33:06AlexPAz|mob: That would be useful if it also prevented booting when Rockbox was running
12:34:34Az|mobI'm running r23812-091201, accoeding to the version string from rockbox info under debug
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12:35:42Az|mobhaven't updated in a while because the machine has spent the past month and a half in the states of plain out *dead*, and than not-booting seemingly erratically
12:38:31Az|mobI'm going to try rebooting with the HID plugin disabled, and see if that does it
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12:39:54Az|mobthat was it, it seems
12:40:20Az|mobsansa is plugged in, HID device mode disabled, machine boots
12:41:13*Az|mob makes a mental note to disable the HID plugin on any of his friend's players before updating them again
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12:43:28Az|mobnow if only I could get SLI to cooperate...
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12:48:48pixelmaunfortunately he left. In my understanding I'd still think that his mainboard's boot (firmware?) is at fault if it crashes due to some USB devices plugged in. (and it's not a HID plugin :\ )
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13:19:06pippijnit would be so cool if one could connect two devices and play pong together
13:21:23AkranisWouldn't it be theoritcally possible, if both devices have a line-in port, using it as a sort of link-cable-voice-modem?
13:21:46TheSevenprobably yes, if anyone wants to code that :-)
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13:22:42AkranisIf it gets fast enough, one could probably even use it to trade mp3s
13:24:28AkranisDoes anyone here he know if someone still works on the iAudio 7 port btw? I got one for christmas, and I would like to help porting it, because the factory firmware was pretty bad.
13:25:39AkranisThe wiki article on the iAudio was last updated in 2008.
13:34:05AlexPNothing new
13:35:29soapJdGordon, is there a problem with the changed logo
13:35:31soap?
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13:40:58BoopopHi all, Rockbox building the music database on my 80GB iPod is draining the battery 0.o Any ideas?
13:41:08AlexPplug it in?
13:41:26BoopopYesterday I tried to do it and the battery went dead before it finished, this time I've started it with a full battery and it's still draining the battery despite being plugged in
13:41:42AlexPyes, the charging in Rockbox isn't at full whack
13:41:58AlexPIt shouldn't take that long though
13:42:00pippijnAkranis: what about the usb host controller?
13:42:15AlexPBoopop: There is a tool that'll do it from the PC too
13:42:44Boopopwell it's been going for the past couple of hours or so and the battery looks like it's at about 30%
13:43:06pippijnhttp://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IriverH3XXHardwareComponents#Philips_ISP1362_Single_chip_USB
13:43:15BoopopI have about 9000 tracks and it's at 5776
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13:44:32Akranispippijn: ?
13:44:46pippijnthe iriver has a usb controller
13:44:58pippijncouldn't they communicate over a usb cable?
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13:45:12Akranispippijn: Probably, I guess.
13:45:24pippijn:-)
13:45:55AkranisAlthough I don't know that much about working with hardware though.
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13:50:52pippijnhow is the H300 bootloader broken?
13:51:29pippijnis it safe to run a broken bootloader as .iriver file using ROLO?
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14:19:36pippijncan't reproduce
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14:54:37pippijnis it normal for debug builds to hang for over a minute (and counting) in the boot loader?
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15:22:06pippijnare line out and the headphones on the iriver h320 separately addressable?
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15:24:40Unhelpfulfunman: it is 2GB
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15:30:04RdGkHi, I need a write permission for the Rockbox Wiki to add a new port to Philips SA2920.
15:30:42RdGkAnyone here responsible for the permissions?
15:31:09pixelmaRdGk: what's your wiki name?
15:31:38RdGkRdGk as well
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15:33:59pixelmaI see you put your complete name in the wiki page but you should compose your wiki name from it without abreviation (as far as I know this is explained on the registration page)
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15:58:03pixelmathis reminds me... does anyone else doubt that Frater Mus is a real name?
15:59:21gevaertspixelma: yes
15:59:36*gevaerts is extremely doubtful about that
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16:00:53AlexPMaybe it is a monk
16:01:30*AlexP seems to remember from his schholboy latin that frater is brother :)
16:01:46AlexPAlthough misspelling school isn't a great advertisement
16:01:49pixelmasomeone gave him write permissions last week or so
16:01:50Unhelpfulas in frater-nal twins?
16:02:08AlexPUnhelpful: yep
16:03:05Unhelpfulbut yes, it seems a bit odd
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16:13:10*domonoky wonders why current checkwps says that all sansa themes fail the check..
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16:17:55domonokyoh, did someone change the target names in the buildall script ?
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16:20:28bertrikthere was a big target rename about 6 weeks or so ago
16:21:10domonokysure, but we didnt change the names in the themepage and for checkwps, because else all would break.
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16:21:32domonokyand it looks like someone did that to checkwps a few days ago.
16:21:55*domonoky goes looking for who to blame :-)
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16:23:06domonokythe problem is that changing the target names on the theme page break current rbutil.
16:23:43domonokybut now current checkpwps names and the themepage dont fit. Also the release checkwps binarys have still the old naming :-/
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16:27:59domonokyarg, mcuelenaere broke it . And i cant easily revert that, because checkwps now uses the target names from configure :-/
16:29:09domonokyso i have now the choice what to break. There is no way to keep all working :-/
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16:32:19CIA-44New commit by 03tomers (r24258): Fractals: Use constants for screen panning
16:33:41*domonoky thinks its probably the best todo the naming change on the themepage too. But then current rbutil cant install those themes anymore..
16:33:58AlexPNew rbutil release!
16:34:28domonokyyes, that would then be needed to fix it.
16:34:43AlexPThat'd also get e.g. nano 2g support in a released version
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16:36:01domonokyjup. lets poke bluebrot1er to make a new release (and fix rbutil mac binarys in his rbutil release skript). :-)
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16:42:21BoopopCan someone help me with trying to initialize the database on my iPod 5G?
16:42:35Boopopeverytime it tries to do it it kills the battery and restarts, even when it is plugged into the power
16:42:37Boopop=/
16:46:16evilnickIt would be a good idea to run chkdsk on the iPod
16:46:34gevaertsand check if dircache is enabled
16:47:07pixelmaor first try with only some files (in case it chokes on some tags)
16:47:20Boopopwell it's finding the files OK
16:47:37Boopopit gets to about 8500 out of 9000, which takes a good hour or so, then the battery dies
16:47:49Boopopthis is while it's plugged into the mains too
16:48:22BoopopI'm trying the database tool now
16:54:54CIA-44New commit by 03Domonoky (r24260): correct the edittarget function.
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17:00:29S_a_i_n_t8500 tracks takes an hour? sheesh...that doesn't seem right.
17:01:03*gevaerts really suspects lack of dircache
17:01:34*S_a_i_n_t is willing to agree with that at this stage, but has just started reading :D
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17:10:45CIA-44New commit by 03tomers (r24261): Fractals: Fix red
17:18:28*tomers Will fix other reds later tonight
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18:03:00JdGordonsoap: no, it just threw me... its a good thing to do on official test builds :)
18:03:38soapIt was crude, but gets the point across.
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18:06:01liarhi TheSeven
18:06:05liari've found the reason why an usb connection kills my nano2g
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18:14:21S_a_i_n_tliar: do tell...
18:14:42*pamaury would really like to fix a dircache bug but fears to break things :(
18:16:52liarTheSeven: ep_recv(ep,>NULL<,length); if i replace NULL with some dummy it works.
18:18:35GodEater_did the artist badge "competition" we ran on the forums just die?
18:18:59liarand i think the DIEPTSIZ at line 308 should be DOEPTSIZ
18:19:18tmztsome value?
18:19:37gevaerts308?
18:20:01gevaertsah, I guess 294 in plain svn
18:20:23gevaertsand yes, that looks wrong
18:20:41tmztliar: sorry, some dummy value? what is that paramter?
18:21:02liargevaerts: ah yeah.. sorry
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18:23:16liartmzt: the recieved data
18:23:58tmzta pointer?
18:24:26gevaertstmzt: look at the code, it's pretty clear
18:24:45tmztokay
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18:48:40WillyAnyone here have the permissions to edit a bug report?
18:49:34S_a_i_n_tI'd say that's quite likely...
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18:50:32Willyhttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10917 last line should be: Example MP3 of issue #1 attached.
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19:11:53pamauryIf anyone here has time to lose, you can review FS #10916 about usb capability for the simulator ;)
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19:20:16CIA-44New commit by 03tomers (r24262): Fractals: Fix SAMSUNG_YH_PAD key assignment. Also fixes red
19:21:09tomerspamuary:
19:21:34tomerspamuary: This is a super-cool feature! I haven't got time to test ATM, though...
19:21:52pamaurytomers: thanks for you interest
19:22:22tomerspamuary: Does this project supports USB interrupt transfers? That's what the HID needs
19:22:32pamauryyes it does
19:22:44*pamaury slaps tomers because his name is pamaury and not pamuary
19:22:59tomersDoes it enumerates properly (USB HID devices under one composite device)?
19:23:04tomersoops. sorry...
19:23:07pamauryyes
19:23:24tomersBut does HID works?
19:23:54pamauryBasically I tested it by enabling HID and usbserial and was able to properly enumerate, properly use HID (with a plugin only) and properly use usbserial
19:24:31pamauryFor an unknown reason I couldn't use HID from the main menu, I guess it's a feature of the usb screen
19:24:54pamaurySo I checked with remote_control plugin and it worked
19:25:21TheSevenliar: nice catch!
19:25:28*TheSeven wonders why that worked for him for so long
19:25:59tomerspamuary: of course! It's not compiled to to #ifndef SIMULATOR...
19:26:22tomersI've been in the ifdef hell there before :-) I 'viewportified' that screen...
19:26:24AlexPGodEater_: Somewhat, but let's revive it
19:27:01TheSevenwhere is that ep_recv(ep,>NULL<,length);?
19:28:44pamaurytomers: indeed. But anyway, the usb screen is not active because it's only for exclusive storage mode and the only driver thats uses is usbstorage. As storage is mostly a stub in the simulator, usbstorage doesn't make sense so it's not compiled.
19:29:03tomerspamaury: Please replace all occurrences of SIMULATOR with SIMULATOR_WO_USB, where #if defined(SIMULATOR) && !defined(USB_VHCI_DRIVER_DEBUG) −−> #define SIMULATOR_WO_USB
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19:30:01tomerspamuary: But having SIMULATOR_WO_USB can be used also for this... You will be able to compile all the mass storage stuff in simulator properly
19:30:19tomerss/pamuary/pamaury/
19:30:45*kugel wonders if tomers has any sort of tab-nick-autocompletition
19:30:58pamauryWhat 'WO' stands for ? Also why check against USB_VHCI_DRIVER_DEBUG ?
19:31:53tomersgevaerts: I think that USB stack doesn't handle both HIS and MS transfers concurrently. What do we know about this?
19:32:05tomerskugel: No...
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19:32:20*tomers Uses ChatZilla
19:32:32*TheSeven has that feature in ChatZilla
19:32:37pamaurytomers: HIS ?
19:32:54TheSevenprobably HID?
19:32:55tomerss/HIS/HID... too many typos for one day :-)
19:33:17kugeldoes it also make every of your sentences start with an upper case letter? :) and yes, chatzilla *has* nick completition
19:33:19pamaurythe usbstack works with both HID and UMS active, afaik
19:34:48pamaurytomers: but you didn't answered my questions. Why 'WO' ? and why such a definition ? (USB_VHCI_DRIVER_DEBUG only allows the log lots of things to the console to debug it)
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19:35:11*kugel guesses WO = without
19:35:28tomerskugel, TheSeven, how do I configure ChatZilla to autocomplete username?
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19:35:39JdGordondoesnt pressing tab just do it?
19:35:44JdGordont<tab>
19:35:51*tomers Thought that sentences in English starts with a capital letter :-)
19:35:53TheSevenI also can't remember explicitly enabling that
19:36:03TheSevenwell, /me sentences don't ;-)
19:36:13tomersJdGordon: Thanks! It works
19:37:01*TheSeven wonders what liar meant above regarding that NULL
19:37:52pamaurytomers: I don't really see the point is SIMULATOR_WO_USB because there is already HAVE_USBSTACK for that. Just #unfdef HAVE_USBSTACK and the usb code won't be compiled (If I did the job properly)
19:38:21tomerspamaury: the basic idea is not to use SIMULATOR in places that you want code that once did not compile to compile, because now you got USB in simulator. So the idea is to use some other define to specify 'simulator with (or without) USB'. e.g. SIMULATOR_USB, and use it in places like the USB screen
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19:38:53kugelgevaerts: I was wondering why you think that usb simulation shouldn't be compiled for sims of hw usb targets
19:39:25tomerspamaury: maybe you're right. look at the code and check whether it uses HAVE_USBSTACK or the SIMULATOR defines for the usb screen
19:41:27pamaurytomers: I designed the code so that simulator_with_usb=SIMULATOR && HAVE_USBSTACK and simulator_without_usb=SIMULATOR && !HAVE_USBSTACK. Now it's obvious that places likes UMS and usb screen weren't coded with simulator in mind so I think they only check against SIMULATOR
19:42:20kugelwhy check for SIMULATOR anyway?
19:42:20tomerspamaury: great. so can it be fixed in your patch? is it needed at all?
19:43:45kugelis there any code that needs to separate target-usb and simulator-usb?
19:44:18pamaurybasically SOURCES file
19:44:35kugelthat's not code, though :p
19:44:44pamauryAh and yes, some system vs system-sdl import I think
19:46:11pamaurytomers: what do you think needs to be fixed ?
19:47:21pamaurykugel: I don't think I really check against both SIMULATOR and HAVE_USBSTACK in the code, it's just a way to say that HAVE_USBSTACK determines whether the usb simulation code is built or not in the simulator.
19:47:48tomerspamaury: I haven't looked at the code, just out of memory, so maybe I am talking nonsense here. when you connect usb in simulator, does it show the usb icon, and 'Multimedia Mode' or whatever? It should be able to actually send those HID transfers to the host
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19:49:03tomersThere's a lot of ifdef hell in these areas, so I haven't got a specific knowledge of what should be done. I'm just suggesting to have it working as a real target.
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19:49:35pamauryNo because Rockbox only shows that screen if it's in exclusive storage mode. Currently, only UMS requires exclusive storage mode so if UMS is not enabled, the usb screen is not called so you can continue to use your DAP while it's connected to the host.
19:50:13pamaurySo it's normal, if you deactive UMS on a real target, it will be the same
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19:50:55TheSevengevaerts: did you get what liar meant above?
19:51:11tomerspamaury: so how exactly does this feature is used, if not to emulate a UMS mode, as it is actually done in the real target?
19:52:24TheSevenhe is definitely right about that 308/294 bug, but I don't see what he means with the NULL thing above
19:53:47pamaurytomers: currently it's more a toy because the only working usb driver is HID (and usbserial but that's useless). If you think it's an issue, I can work to make usbstorage work but as storage is a stub, it won't do anything. Or perhaps I can make it use a ramdisk
19:56:45tomerspamaury: I think I don't fully understand what benefit it will give to the simulator. but it's still super-cool :-)
19:58:39pamauryI will be able to develop MTP code without plugging my device every minute to debug it ;) More generally, it's useful if you want to develop code that is not hardware specific and that's needs usb.
19:59:25gevaertsTheSeven: apparently for OUT transfers, (i.e. receive from the device point of view), the hardware (or lower bits of the driver, not sure) want a real address to send the data to, even if there is no actual data
19:59:41tomerspamaury: nice! but for debugging MTP you will still need the usb screen, don't you?
19:59:45pamauryNo
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20:00:05TheSevengevaerts: that doesn't match my observations at all
20:00:08*tomers gives up :-)
20:00:14pamauryMTP code works without usb screen because it works at file level so it's doesn't require exclusive storage
20:00:35tomersok
20:00:36pamaurytomers: It's simple. You have two usb modes in Rockbox:
20:00:43TheSevenbut as a null in there could potentially kill the interrupt vectors, getting rid of them is a good idea anyways
20:01:17pamaury-exclusive storage mode: the usb driver access the drive directly so normal API file is dangerous, so to avoid any conflict, the usb screen prevent the use from using the DAP
20:01:43pamaury-non exclusive storage mode: the usb driver uses the normal API so the user can continue to use the DAP normally
20:02:29tomerspamaury: thanks for the explanation
20:02:37gevaertskugel: in my view the goal is to (a) make the simulator more similar to the real thing, and (b) (which I guess is why pamaury does this) help debugging the USB stack. I think (but that's just my opinion) that right now (especially since the sim doesn't do MSC yet) that the code and behaviour between HW and SW USB is too different for enabling the simulation to make sense
20:03:00gevaertsYou'd get thinfs like HID and MTP that the real hardware will just never do
20:03:12gevaertsTheSeven: maybe different hardware revisions?
20:03:39kugelhrm right, although I think not simulating at all is worse
20:03:51gevaertstomers: the should be able to handle concurrent transfers. If that doesn't work properly, it would explain some observations...
20:04:23pamaurykugel: simulating the whole usb stack without UMS on the target that only does HW UMS is kind of bizarre
20:04:35pamaury*a target
20:04:56tomersgevaerts: I really hope to have time (and resources) to work on it this weekend
20:05:02kugeljust a bit :)
20:05:22gevaertspamaury: simulating USB at all already is :)
20:05:40kugelbut if it doesn't do UMS, then it doesn't make a lot sense, indeed
20:05:44gevaertstomers: if it's buggy, my guess is that that's going to be specific to the arc driver
20:06:08CIA-44New commit by 03theseven (r24263): Fix iPod Nano 2G USB: ...
20:06:28tomersgevaerts: I transferred files to my e200, while (accidentialy) pressing some button. It was using Windows 7. The transferred stalled. And windows got really slow and unresponsive. even after disconnecting the player. so there's obviously something wrong with Window's stack, but our stack is probably buggy too
20:06:45pamauryalso, if people are interested, I plan to work on simulator storage and UMS. But there are choices to make here such as how to implement storage which are not related to usb.
20:07:12gevaertspamaury: you could do UMS easily of course using the ramdisk code in usb_storage.c, but I guess people would like something slightly more useful
20:07:45gevaertstomers: yes, that's the issues we have for some setups. I don't really have a clue though
20:08:16pippijnis there any documentation on the rockbox architecture?
20:09:10tomersgevaerts: I hope to have a usb sniffer for the weekend, and i'll look into it
20:09:20gevaertstomers: great!
20:09:21pamaurygevaerts, tomers: what is the issue you're talking about ?
20:10:22tomerspamaury: Sending HID traffic (Interrupt transfer type) while MS transfers (BULK transfer type) is going
20:11:10pamauryis it driver specific or usbstack related ?
20:11:35pippijnah, there is some documentation on all kinds of things
20:11:38*pippijn goes read
20:11:38gevaertspippijn: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/DocsIndex#For_Developers has some bits, especially the "About the Code" section. Some of it is probably outdated though
20:12:15pippijnthanks
20:13:19pippijndo codecs run continuously?
20:13:48pippijnnever mind...
20:13:55pippijnI should read more code before asking stupid questions
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20:17:43pippijnwhat's wrong with the bootloader? I was told the one in trunk is broken (at least for iriver H320)
20:18:20GodEater_pippijn: we don't know what's wrong with it specifically, except it will brick H3xx players
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20:18:51pippijnh
20:18:53pippijnhm
20:19:04*TheSeven loves unbrickable devices :-)
20:19:16pippijnwhat device is unbrickable?
20:19:37TheSeveneverything that has a non-overwritable recovery mode
20:19:37GodEater_nearly everything that isn't an iRiver H100 or H300
20:19:37S_a_i_n_tiPods...generally speaking.
20:19:46pippijnoh
20:20:04GodEater_the later Sansas are possible to brick apparently, but less easy
20:20:07TheSevenS_a_i_n_t: don't say that. especially the old ones sometimes get bricked even by itunes :-)
20:20:19gevaertsTheSeven: even, or only?
20:20:21S_a_i_n_tthough, some people have gotten PRETTY close to bricking an iPod, or had a good go at it rather.
20:20:48stooonot really possible
20:20:49GodEater_the only way to brick an ipod is to pull the power whilst it's doing an APPLE firmware upgrade
20:21:01stooobut many people wash them :)
20:21:01GodEater_i.e. a hard reset in the middle
20:21:05TheSevenGodEater_: or the updater locking up
20:21:18GodEater_TheSeven: I've never seen that happen, or heard of someone it's happened to previously
20:21:26S_a_i_n_tcan't it recover from that?
20:21:31GodEater_S_a_i_n_t: no
20:21:43TheSevenif the NOR image is corrupted, you'll need to do some soldering to fix it...
20:21:50S_a_i_n_tshit...I've been a REALLY lucky boy then
20:22:13GodEater_but doing things to them in Rockbox? There's no way to brick them.
20:22:23GodEater_unless you use our recommended technique
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20:22:31S_a_i_n_thahahah!
20:22:32GodEater_of a hammer, applied with considerable force.
20:22:36S_a_i_n_twhat is that again?
20:22:43GodEater_a lot
20:22:48S_a_i_n_t^^
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20:23:02TheSevensince the classic and nano3g, they should be really unbrickable...
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20:23:15TheSevenbut yes, that's exactly the devices that aren't (hopefully yet) supported
20:23:16GodEater_yes, DFU mode is a good idea
20:23:59Akranis"Everytime you make something more idiotproof, someone makes a better idiot" - Someone
20:24:56TheSevenwell, making a hammer-proof DAP would really be an interesting challenge :-)
20:25:24TheSeven(someone would just make a bigger hammer?)
20:25:45GodEater_I'm pretty sure Einstein proved it's not possible to make something hammer proof
20:26:44stacker55GodEater_: did you get my description of how to get rockbox on the philip gogear hdd6320 ?
20:26:56GodEater_stacker55: um. no.
20:27:01stacker55GodEater_: http://pastebin.ca/1751063 - the steps to get rockbox installed on a philips GoGear HDD6320
20:27:01GodEater_coulnd't you put it on the wiki?
20:27:12stacker55(i wrote that last thursday)
20:27:34stacker55i don't have a wiki account, and didn't want to register just yet
20:27:51S_a_i_n_toh right, thursday is no-wiki day :D
20:28:01tomerspamaury: don't know where the bug is. maybe in the stack, but probably in the ARC driver (according to gevaerts)
20:28:09*stacker55 enjoys casual sarcasm ;-)
20:28:31S_a_i_n_tawesome!
20:30:03Akraniskugel: On the wiki page for the iAudio 7, it says to hold down the "Mode" button to enter usb boot mode, is that the button labeled M at the top of the player?
20:30:29stacker55i'm still stuck getting the audio to work on the gogear though - my hdd6320 with RB doen't play mp3's just yet. It gets stuck. And i thought it might have something to do with the lack of a partition table on the disk. But RB is able to start and read the id3 tags; so i figured that wasn't it
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20:35:31kugelAkranis: how would I know?
20:36:57Akraniskugel: I was trying to find out who worked on the port and I sort of picked you at random becuase you had made the last commit in that folder.
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20:48:31webguest44can someone help me with my ipod?
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20:48:44S_a_i_n_tthat depends on what's wrong with it
20:49:09jonit was running rockbox fine and today i cut it on and rockbox.ipod cant be found
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20:49:47jonnotthebaptist i plug it into my windows machine and it doesnt detect my ipod
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20:50:59gevaertswhich model is this?
20:51:58jonnotthebaptist60gb video
20:51:58jonnotthebaptistof the ipod?
20:53:02gevaertsyes, that's what I meant
20:53:12gevaertsdoes the original firmware still work?
20:54:30jonnotthebaptistno
20:54:43jonnotthebaptisti dont have a problem reformatting it
20:54:49jonnotthebaptistif thats the best solution
20:55:00S_a_i_n_trestore the ipod then, reinsatll rockbox
20:55:06kugelthe OF doesn't work anymore?
20:56:29Strife89If the OF is working fine, but Rockbox is not, then DO NOT REFORMAT.
20:56:43jonnotthebaptistits not
20:56:50S_a_i_n_the said it wasn't
20:56:58S_a_i_n_thence, restore the iPod
20:57:03jonnotthebaptistmy computer isnt even detecting my ipod being plugged in though
20:57:11Strife89Hmmmm.
20:57:32gevaertsjonnotthebaptist: is it still in the rockbox bootloader?
20:57:48Strife89Try reseting the iPod by holding Menu and Select for a few seconds, then.
20:57:56jonnotthebaptistit trys to boot up and gives me an option to reset and another to change disk mode
20:58:07jonnotthebaptisti do the one for disk mode and it just freezes out
20:59:39gevaertshm, could be a bad disk
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21:00:39Strife89jonnotthebaptist: Try reseting the iPod, then IMMEDIATELY holding Left (Previous) and Select.
21:00:54Strife89See if that accpmlishes anything.
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21:01:07jonnotthebaptistits running diagnostics
21:04:03pamaurygevaerts: did you wrote usb_storage ? I don't understand it calls storage_get_info when compiled with USB_USE_RAMDISK
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21:04:55gevaertspamaury: because I'm lazy :)
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21:05:36pamaurygevaerts: you mean you were lazy to build custom info for ramdisk ? That's really lazy ;)
21:05:41gevaertspamaury: you need the info anyway, and since USB_USE_RAMDISK was mainly a debugging feature I just grabbed an available struct
21:05:46gevaertsyes :)
21:06:18gevaertsIf you want a real ramdisk, there's a full storage-api implementation for that as well
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21:07:33webguest63sorry my computer felt the urge to restart
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21:08:17jonnotthebaptistChanServ: when i press previous and select it took me to a diagnostics screen
21:08:43Strife89jonnotthebaptist: Alright.
21:09:00Strife89jonnotthebaptist: Hang on, I'm gonna need my own diag screen to look at.
21:10:16Strife89jonnotthebaptist: Try entering the "IO" submenu.
21:10:40Strife89Then select "HardDrive".
21:11:23jonnotthebaptisti have an option for hdspecs and hdsmartdata
21:11:39Strife89Choose HDSmartData.
21:11:58Strife89gevaerts: How familiar are you with S.M.A.R.T. readings?
21:12:05gevaertsnot very
21:12:19Strife89jonnotthebaptist: Read for me the information displayed.
21:13:09jonnotthebaptistretracts:25
21:13:15jonnotthebaptistreallocs:0
21:13:21jonnotthebaptistpending sectors:1
21:13:33jonnotthebaptistpoweron hours 1076
21:13:42jonnotthebaptiststart/stops 10961
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21:13:55Strife89This drive has led a long life.
21:14:13Strife89Go back to the menu.
21:14:27Strife89We know that the drive is readable, at least.
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21:15:36Strife89jonnotthebaptist: Let's look at HDScan. It will take a while to scan the drive, but I want to be sure.
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21:16:27Strife89It seems that it checks to be sure it can read every sector of the drive.
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21:16:33Strife89It'll take a while on a Video.
21:16:43jonnotthebaptistwhich is that under?
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21:17:24Strife89It should be on the menu that HDSMARTData is on.
21:17:34Strife89Evidently it's not, at least on the video.
21:17:40Strife89It IS present on my Color.
21:17:48Strife89Great.....
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21:18:09WillyI made a bug report about the mp3_encoder, and it was brought to my attention that one of the bugs I cited was a duplicate of another bug report. I have re-worded the original post, and posted this as a new comment. If you agree, I'd like to have the text in the original post replaced by my new comment (and comment deleted of course).
21:18:15Willyhttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10917
21:18:21Strife89jonnotthebaptist: You're gonna have to read every menu if you want me to continue helping you. :/
21:18:40Strife89My Color's doing the very scan I described. (I can't stop it.)
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21:19:24TheSevenStrife89: can resetting it during the scan really hurt?
21:19:41Strife89TheSeven: I guess not.
21:20:03TheSeventhe worst I could think of is a corrupted sector and an emergency retract...
21:20:08jonnotthebaptistChanServ: ok i have ntf memory io power accessories test syscfg and reset
21:20:31S_a_i_n_tStrife89: I've tested that theory the hard way...wil no *apparent* ill effects.
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21:20:44Willyanyone with a e200v1 willing to make a quick test of recording to MP3 format?
21:20:51jonnotthebaptistmemory tab has sdram and flash
21:21:12Strife89jonnotthebaptist: Go back up to the main menu.
21:21:37Strife89What does "NTF" bring up?
21:21:47Strife89That option is not on my Color.
21:22:06jonnotthebaptistautotest
21:22:26Strife89Hmmm.
21:22:31pamauryWilly: I can if you tell me what you want me to check
21:22:32S_a_i_n_tI assume autotest is like fiveinone?
21:22:37Strife89Can you exit it?
21:22:57flyback-<flyback-> anyone using msie, don't for a week or so till m$ released a patch if possible
21:22:57flyback-<flyback-> nasty exploit going around
21:22:57Willypamaury: does the resluting mp3 have any sound?
21:23:00Strife89jonnotthebaptist: Let's reset the iPod for now (choose Reset on the main menu).
21:23:15pamauryWilly: wait a minute, I'll try
21:23:21Willythanks
21:23:21jonnotthebaptistalright
21:23:37Strife89Slide the Hold switch so that it goes for the OF.
21:24:23Strife89jonnotthebaptist: Once you're in the original firmware, try to plug in the iPod.
21:24:55jonnotthebaptistthere we go
21:24:56jonnotthebaptistthat worked
21:25:07Strife89Okay then.
21:25:08jonnotthebaptistnow i would think replacing the file would work
21:25:13Strife89Now just reinstall Rockbox.
21:25:15pamauryWilly: how do I save it in mp3 format. It's wav for me.
21:25:28Strife89jonnotthebaptist: It's probably best to install an entire build.
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21:25:49Willyon recording screen, hold middle button till menu appears. Format -> MP3
21:26:20Strife89jonnotthebaptist: You know the drill, right? Grab a .zip from the build page on the website and unzip it to your iPod.
21:26:23pamauryWilly: ah indeed, retrying...
21:26:38Strife89jonnotthebaptist: http://build.rockbox.org/ <−−−− For your convenience.
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21:28:31Strife89jonnotthebaptist: You probably know this, but remember to make sure that the ".rockbox" folder is unzipped (or copied) to the root directory of the iPod.
21:28:41jonnotthebaptistright
21:28:54Strife89Standard "make absolutely sure" procedure. :)
21:29:04jonnotthebaptistim reinstalling this right now i will let you know how it goes
21:29:10jonnotthebaptistthanks for getting me here though
21:29:22Strife89You're welcome, and good luck. :)
21:29:39pamauryWilly: yes I have sound but it's crappy and I have to set to maximum volume to get something slightly audible
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21:30:07Strife89jonnotthebaptist: Don't forget to disengage the Hold switch as well.
21:30:30Willypamaury: is this 'something' noise, or your recording?
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21:31:29pamauryI'm recording the output of my computer speakers, that is music. But it's crappy, I hear it but there's lots of noise. I don't know if it comes from the mic or from th encoding
21:32:07Willythank you for helping
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21:35:57Strife89JonTheBaptist: Another reboot, I take it?
21:37:08JonTheBaptistChanServ: yeah
21:37:20JonTheBaptisti dont have access to the disk
21:37:31JonTheBaptistwhich i assume results from my dad not giving me administrator access
21:38:08Strife89That shouldn't be the case if it's JUST lack of admin access.... :/
21:38:39JonTheBaptistwait i can access the drive now
21:38:54liarTheSeven: thanks for commiting a fix for that. you are right with the interrupt vectors - they get overwritten on my nano2g without the fix
21:39:10JonTheBaptistwindows headaches
21:39:11JonTheBaptistugh
21:39:33TheSevenliar: so this thing is receiving data despite of a zero transfersize?
21:39:57TheSevenin that case this won't really be a fix, it'll probably just corrupt other things now
21:40:07TheSevenor wait, it could have been the combination of both bugs
21:40:25gevaertsgood point
21:40:40pippijnwhat happens if a thread function returns?
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21:41:39Unhelpfulpippijn: what does the source say? i think it's *supposed* to call an exit function, isn't it?
21:41:41TheSevenbut the only case where this could happen would be immediately after a short transfer, and only if the pc sends a non-zero-length ack, which it shouldn't...
21:42:34TheSevenliar: could you please try changing the 0x10000000 pointers to zero and see if the issue comes back?
21:42:53pippijnUnhelpful: it is not allowed to return
21:43:06pippijnUnhelpful: you have to call remove_thread on the thread object
21:43:21Unhelpfulpippijn: if you know that... ;)
21:43:37pippijnwell, that's what the website says
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21:45:55jonhateshiswindoif it times out on me one more frickin time
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21:47:15Strife89jonhateshiswindo: Concentrate on getting your iPod back in shape. :)
21:47:40Strife89If it times out again, just come back if you (a) have a problem or (b) succeed.
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21:49:43jonhateshiswindoChanServ: also i noticed a recording option
21:49:51jonhateshiswindocould i use this to record lectures?
21:49:54jonhateshiswindoif i bring a mic
21:49:58jonhateshiswindoplug it in etc
21:50:32Strife89jonhateshiswindo: I believe so, but you shold test it beforehand.
21:51:02Strife89I know that the Color can record line-in through the "headphone" jack.
21:51:08*pamaury tries UMS+ramdisk with simulator. Pray !
21:51:16Strife89I assume the Video does as well.
21:51:37flyback-<flyback> http://qotile.net/audio/sleep_by_tree_wave.mp3
21:51:37flyback-<flyback> music made with dot matrix printer
21:53:04pixelmaflyback-: could you please stop spamming this channel with off-topic things?
21:53:15Strife89jonhateshiswindo: You will probably need a powered microphone if you plug it into the headphone/line-in jack.
21:53:32flyback-I thought music was on topic :)
21:54:03Strife89Only if the music somehow has close ties to Rockbox. ;)
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21:54:57liarTheSeven: yes it appears again.. i thought of creating a dummy array and letting ptr point to the array in case ptr==NULL? gevaerts brought that solution
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21:55:12flyback-ok
21:55:19jonhateshiswindowhat do you mean by a powered microphone?
21:55:56Strife89jonhateshiswindo: I mean a microphone that uses its own batteries, instead on recieving power from only the jack it's plugged into.
21:56:04Strife89s/on/of
21:56:48Strife89An unpowered mic will probably produce some very soft sound.
21:57:05Strife89Again, I advise that you just test stuff out.
21:57:31Strife89The mic you have may be good enough for what you want.
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21:59:19TheSevenliar: I'm currently trying to point it to an address space hole where it can't hurt anyone
21:59:47TheSevenbut I would really like to know why it starts writing stuff there in the first place
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22:00:03soapthe 4G has a mic input via one of the headphone rings - forget which one.
22:00:06soapThe video does not.
22:00:14TheSevenyou could try pointing it to an array and have a look what kind of junk it is actually writing...
22:00:19soapThe Video / Nano / 4G do line-in only through the dock connector.
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22:06:11Willywhat exectuables are used when recording to MP3 format?
22:06:29bluebrot1erWilly: what do you mean by "executables"?
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22:07:34jonhateshiswindoyay it worked
22:07:35WillyWhen I record to mp3 the files are bad. Older versions or RB work, so I'd like to replace only the files used for mp3 encoding with older versions.
22:07:40jonhateshiswindoi love you forever and ever and ever
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22:08:07Willy*encoding sould be "recording"
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22:08:28bluebrotherWilly: well, it's a codec. But the codec is somewhat tied to the Rockbox main binary, so simply replacing the codec isn't adviseable.
22:08:30gevaertsjonhateshiswindo: excellent!
22:08:36bluebrotherit _might_ work, but it might also fail.
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22:09:11domonokybluebrother: i have now done the target naming change on the themepage, because checkwps was also renamed so the themesite broke. So we now need a new rbutil release :-)
22:09:20bluebrotherhave you checked if your installation is "complete"? As in, have you checked if the mp3 encoder codec is probably outdated and didn't got replaced due to some error?
22:09:32bluebrotherdomonoky: ok :/
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22:09:41domonokybluebrother: also someone reported problems with libusb with the current svn osx binarys.
22:10:17bluebrotherhmm. That's somewhat problematic as I don't have any other machine to test.
22:10:38bluebrotherbut will check.
22:10:45Willyblueborther: yeah - I used a program that syncs two folders based on MD5 checksums
22:10:53domonokyit looks like your osx binarys didnt use static libusb. instead a libusb.x.x.dylib was included, but somehow failed to load.
22:11:13jonhateshiswindonow i get to play with my mic
22:11:51bluebrotherinteresting. I've used the libusb packages as stated on the RockboxUtilityDevelopment wiki page.
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22:13:24liarTheSeven: is the data after ep_recv immediately valid or where should i check the content?
22:13:49domonokyi also had problems with those libs when i was building the osx binarys. the only working way was to remove the libusb.dylib from the system, so rbutil building is forced to use the static libusb.a file. (but dont know if libusb handling changed since then)
22:13:57TheSevenep_recv only triggers the transfer
22:14:04TheSevenyou'll need to check that later
22:14:22TheSeveni'm not even sure if the corruption would occur before or after the completion event
22:14:32TheSevenso i would just suggest waiting some seconds and then dumping the contents
22:15:02*TheSeven really needs to build an ibugger loader that can be started from within rockbox
22:15:25*S_a_i_n_t agrees wholeheartedly with that...
22:15:50domonokybluebrother: or maybe libusb was for the wrong osx version ? the user who reported it said he has osx10.4
22:16:27CIA-44New commit by 03tomers (r24264): Fractals: Prevent zooming more than deepest possible zoom ...
22:16:33bluebrothermaybe. I'm still not really familiar with that stuff
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22:21:54CIA-44New commit by 03tomers (r24265): Fractals: Use more colors
22:22:45*tomers The red is not my fault. It's ccache who killed it :-)
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22:24:49tomerss/who/which
22:25:54Torneis there any nice way to explain to the user in a plugin why some of the menu options that are normally there are not available at present?
22:26:23Tornefrotz has numerous menu options which can only work when the game being interpreted is prompting for input; they don't work when the interpreter is just waiting for yu to press a key before scrolling the screen
22:26:32S_a_i_n_tbecause "it just is"?
22:26:42TorneI mean explain in teh plugin
22:27:12S_a_i_n_toh, why would you need to explain the absence?
22:27:19S_a_i_n_tif its there, it's there right?
22:27:27Tornecontext sensitive menus normally have some actual indication that the context is different; it's not immediately apparent that the [MORE] prompt is a different kind of thing than the text prompt
22:27:37gevaertsbluebrother: is there something wrong on your build client?
22:27:38Torneand you can't, for example, restart the game while at a MORE prompt
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22:28:20S_a_i_n_tI'm not sure there is a 'nice' way to explain it, not ingame at least.
22:28:25S_a_i_n_tin the manual, sure.
22:28:44bluebrothergevaerts: no idea, but I'm already checking
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22:29:30domonokyTorne: maybe just disable the context menu in this case, and only allow the MORE aktion ?
22:30:20pamaurygevaerts: when a usb driver is asked to transfer a big amount of data than need to be split between packets, the transfer completion routine is only called once at the end of the whole transfer or at the end of each packet ?
22:30:41S_a_i_n_tTorne: have an entry in the context menu explaining that the function can't be used at this time?
22:30:48gevaertspamaury: one completion callback per usb_drv_send/recv call
22:31:02pamauryok
22:31:13Tornedomonoky: i could do, but you still want to be able to quit at least
22:31:25Tornei have the normal quit action bound though, so I guess I could do just that
22:32:29bluebrotherstrange, building manually works fine
22:37:24S_a_i_n_tTorne: simplest thing I can think of (maybe not simplest to achieve, but simplest in theory) would be to leave the context menu intact but change the entries which don't apply to the situation to n/a or similar.
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22:43:17pixelmatomers: did you do anything about the possible speed issues due to your fractals split amiconn mentioned? I have no idea about this but am a bit worried about the plugin on the archos targets (I remember it was quite optimised to make it work nicely on those before)
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22:44:53tomerspixelma: I will check that. Thanks. I guess I missed amiconn's remark.
22:44:59*tomers going to bed
22:45:22kugeltomers: you put inline functions into .c files which makes it impossible for them to be inlined
22:46:03tomerskugel: should I remove the inline directive, or is there any other solution?
22:46:59kugeltomers: put it back into header files
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22:47:27tomerswhat function exactly?
22:47:39tomersor function_s_?
22:48:38liarTheSeven: 0x80601004 and 0x1210200040. the latter appears only once
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22:48:55kugeltomers: the functions in cpu_*.c, maybe there are more
22:49:19*bluebrother suggests the use of grep :)
22:49:31*TheSeven doesn't recognize those numbers
22:49:50stacker55grep -R works wonders ;)
22:50:26tomerskugel: You mean to put all function's code in the headers files and discard the cpu_*.c files?
22:50:40kugelyea
22:50:49tomersok. will do that
22:51:06tomersbut tomorrow. thanks for reviewing the code :-)
22:51:09kugelinlining only works *within* one source file
22:51:25tomersi should've known that
22:51:39bluebrothertomers: the compiler can only inline functions if he has the functions when compiling. Which means that inlining won't work for functions that are in other objects. Therefore inline functions _need_ to be in the header files
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22:52:13bluebrotherunless the function is static, of course.
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22:53:21kugeltomers: you also need to make them static, to enable having the same function (with the same name) in multiple source files
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22:54:05tomersi'll do it now, please stay and review :-)
22:55:01*gevaerts doesn't like that 0x1210200040 bit
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22:55:51gevaertsthe 0x12..20 match a device descriptor, but the other bytes don't
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22:55:59gevaertshm, wrong direction for that anyway
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22:57:42TheSevengevaerts: leftover junk in the fifo?
22:58:02gevaertsTheSeven: or plain coincidence
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22:58:59TheSevenwell, it shouldn't be writing anything to memory if i feed it a zero-length transfer in the first place
22:59:15gevaertsthat's true of course
22:59:21TheSevenand it still does, even after fixing the DIEP vs. DOEP issue
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23:01:32TheSevenwell, i pointed it to a 256MB-sized address space hole now. should be sufficient to eat the garbage.
23:02:22liarTheSeven, gevaerts: that 0x1210200040 is actually an 0x1210200040000031. and the second 0x80601004 contains the 0x12.. again some bytes afterwards
23:03:39CIA-44New commit by 03tomers (r24266): Fractals: Have helper functions in header file to keep them inlined ...
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23:10:42TorneFrotz appears to be finished :)
23:11:01TorneI can't find any more bugs in it and it just about passes all the z-machine tests in the test suites
23:11:28Tornenot sure if it builds for every target though; it should (it's ifdef'ed off on the ones i know i can't support)
23:11:31gevaertsYou must not be looking hard enough ;)
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23:11:41Torneoh i'm sure :)
23:12:03Torneandthere are a number of features it couldhave that it doesn't yet
23:12:33Tornei guess the easiest way to find out if it builds is to commit :)
23:13:04gevaertsdefinitely
23:15:20CIA-44New commit by 03torne (r24267): New plugin: frotz, a Z-machine interpreter, for playing interactive fiction. ...
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23:20:31Tornecrap, yellows :)
23:20:56Torneah, it's not 64-bit-clean
23:20:58liarTheSeven: bad news.. it doesnt work on my second nano2g
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23:22:42TheSevenliar: how does it fail? did it ever work on that one before?
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23:23:39Tornehrm, how do you align a pointer without casting to int?
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23:25:28nlsTorne: cast to intptr_t maybe
23:25:40Torneah, and one of those warnigns is in fact a bug
23:25:42gevaertsTorne: intptr_t?
23:26:42Tornei'm setting the random seed to the address of the tick
23:26:43Tornenot the tick
23:26:56Tornewhich is why curses' intro quite only changes when i recompile. :)
23:27:40nlsthat's a good one :)
23:28:42CIA-44New commit by 03torne (r24268): Fix warnings in frotz, one of which is a real bug :)
23:29:20TorneNot as random as you might like :)
23:29:38Tornearm gcc didn't spot that
23:30:19liarTheSeven: i've recognized that some days ago. the ipod doesnt freeze but fails sometimes and sometimes not. this happens if it works: http://pastebin.org/77889, and this if not: http://pastebin.org/77890
23:30:44TheSevenso the behavior just didn't change with today's patch?
23:30:57liarTheSeven: it worked once until now
23:31:08liarand 10 times or more not
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23:31:55TheSevenok, as long as it's no regression, I don't really care about it right now ;-)
23:32:16TheSeventhis looks like some usb controller lockup
23:32:45Willywhen you find a problem, start building old version to pinpoint it, and use the method where you find a version that works, then try half way between that version and the one that's bad, then half way between the resluts, then half way between those results −−- what's that method called?
23:33:10TheSevenbisecting
23:33:20TheSevenor divide'n'conquer ;-)
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23:33:36Willyty
23:33:44gevaertsTheSeven: divide'n'conquer is what Unhelpful is trying to do
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23:35:06Torneyay, there we go
23:35:38S_a_i_n_t$50 if you manage to capture a small country :P
23:35:46Tornewho adds stuff to the recent changes page?
23:35:48S_a_i_n_t'doh...wrong window
23:36:29gevaertsTorne: anyone who feels like it, although the committer is the preferred person
23:36:39Tornehow?
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23:38:08Torneoh it's just wiki
23:38:10Tornei am blind
23:38:26Tornehow does the rss feed work then?
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23:38:50S_a_i_n_tOk, seriously...whats the point in rockblox1d.rock? is it a joke?
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23:39:11TorneS_a_i_n_t: it does exactly what it says
23:39:13Torneit's 1d tetris
23:39:29TheSevensounds pretty much pointless :-)
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23:39:45S_a_i_n_tI never said it didn't :P, it just has 0 playability
23:39:46Torneyes?
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23:43:07UnhelpfulS_a_i_n_t: really? what sort of problem are you having with playability, and on which target? maybe the keymap needs work.
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23:43:40S_a_i_n_tUnhelpful: you're joking right?
23:46:55Unhelpfulwhy should i be joking?
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23:47:23*Torne wanders off for now, happy that frotz actually builds
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23:48:33Unhelpfulhrm, division 5 multiplies, but they can be ordered such that they each does not depend on the output of the prior one
23:48:37Unhelpful*with* 5 multiplies
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23:51:08Willyif you are bisecting, and you install a version that used an old bootloader, do you have to build, and install the old bootloader?
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23:52:14TheSevenif the bug isn't related to the bootloader, you shouldn't need to
23:52:32TheSeventhat may be target-specific, though
23:52:40gevaertshow old?
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23:53:04TheSevengevaerts: did we ever change the boot file format?
23:53:14Willyr23701 on an e200v1
23:53:24TheSeveni could only imagine old versions relying on boot loader bugs ;-)
23:53:40gevaertsTheSeven: well yes, but that's been known to happen :)
23:53:45gevaertsWilly: should be ok
23:54:16TheSevenyes, some very early "unusable" nano2g builds did that, too...
23:54:47Willyso i installed r23701, and it wouldn't boot (don't remember screen output clearly), so I built and installed the bootloader r23701. Now it won't boot.
23:55:12WillyCan't load Rockbox.mi4: file not found.
23:56:01kugelthat means the file is not there
23:56:08Willycan't load system OF.mi4 can't load system OF.bin
23:57:10Willyoh and bootloader version is "r23701"
23:57:11*kugel suspects a filesystem problem
23:57:32Willy*is reported as
23:58:13S_a_i_n_tWith an iPod Nano 1g, what does booting with menu+next held do? the text draws too fast (and is 8pt) so I can't read whatever it is that it outputs.

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