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#rockbox log for 2010-01-18

00:04:04gevaertsJdGordon|: try enabling logf in usb_core.c and usb-drv-arc.c
00:04:17gevaertsThat should tell you if something happens at least
00:05:09*gevaerts suspects that the thing does some negotiation before going to proper USB mode
00:05:24stacker55can someone help me with rockbox on the philips gogear hdd6320 ?
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00:06:02saratogaUnhelpful: usually larger latencies are due to deeper pipelining, which is in turn used to get higher clocks
00:06:04JdGordongevaerts: the sniffer should see that though no?
00:06:10saratogaARM9E doesn't clock so high
00:06:15saratogadue to its short pipe
00:06:20gevaertsJdGordon: it's a usb tracer, not a logic analyser
00:06:41JdGordonok, ill get back into linux and try logf
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00:07:12Unhelpfuland i see that a *few* things have traded a cycle of execution for a cycle of latency in going from arm9e->arm11 - register-specified shifts are 2c on the former and have the shift register as an early reg on the latter?
00:07:35TheSevenwhat kind of negotiation do you mean? chirp sequences/speed enumeration?
00:07:49TheSevenOTG HNP?
00:08:23saratogagenerally as you move beyond a standard 5 stage pipeline, latency is added for all sorts of standard operations due to needing one then one stage for instruction decode
00:08:29saratogabut i don't know if thats the case on arm11
00:08:47gevaertsTheSeven: nothing as easy. I suspect something proprietary
00:08:51liarTheSeven, gevaerts: one of you might be able to understand what is going wrong: http://pastebin.org/77903, http://www.file-upload.net/download-2170376/usb.wireshark.html
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00:09:12saratogabut you probably already know that :)
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00:11:25TheSevenliar: that thing just went down after the getmaxlun request
00:11:35Unhelpfularm9e doesn't seem to have the "early reg" requirements at all... going to arm11 multiply result latencies go up by 1 pretty much across the board, and multiply operands all become early registers, so the cost of back-to-back multiplies actually goes up by 2c. which explains how a <40c divider from the arm system developer's manual clocked at ~54c on my beast :/
00:11:58Unhelpfulalthough i *did* have to design my asm without reference to theirs, so there may be a few microtweaks that i missed
00:11:59TheSevenah, SCSI inquiry, I mean
00:13:37liardo you have an idea why?
00:14:16TheSevenit just stops responding
00:14:25TheSevenat the second bulk transaction
00:14:46TheSevenso the first one probably messed something up
00:15:01TheSevenibugger does work without issues on that specific device, right?
00:15:13TheSevenif that also fails, I would blame the hardware...
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00:15:38liarTheSeven: ibugger always worked on every nano2g i have
00:15:44JdGordon|gevaerts: before you run off... logf on those files, where would i find the dump?
00:15:48JdGordon|or the log
00:15:57gevaertsTheSeven: last time liar had me look at things, it stopped after linux reported -75 IIRC, which means something like "overflow"
00:16:20liargevaerts: that message still appears if it fails
00:16:24gevaertsJdGordon|: the standard logf place
00:16:25TheSevenits a -71 this time, "protocol error"
00:16:30liaroh
00:16:31gevaertsi.e. in the debug menu
00:16:48gevaertsliar: it might have been -73, I don't remember clearly
00:17:08*JdGordon didnt do the logf ubild properly thn
00:17:16JdGordonit connects as multimedia mode though
00:17:19liar[110998.854796] usb 1-1: ctrl urb status -75 received
00:17:23gevaertsdid you tell configure you wanted logf?
00:17:41*TheSeven just spotted another strange thing in the trace
00:17:54gevaertsOr was this changed to always dumping to a file?
00:18:06TheSevenright at the beginning there is a -75 EOVERFLOW
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00:18:20TheSevenon a HID control request
00:18:48liarthat might be the reason why it works with usb hid turned off
00:19:07TheSevenbut the hid keeps doing interrupt requests for quite some time afterwards, until the first SCSI command
00:19:13 Quit domonoky (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
00:20:05TheSevenand immediately before it locks up, there is a timeout on another HID control request
00:20:15stacker55I was trying to put the steps of getting the RockBox on the gogear on the wiki, however i'm not allowed to change the gogear page
00:20:29 Quit bmbl ("Bye!")
00:20:32stacker55is someone able to allow me to do so ?
00:20:51JdGordon|gevaerts: jdgordon.info/logf.txt">http://usa.jdgordon.info/logf.txt if you havnt disappeared yet
00:21:16TheSevenstacker55: wiki nickname?
00:21:23stacker55see private
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00:24:09TheSevenliar, gevaerts: this really looks like the problem is coming from the HID...
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00:25:00TheSevengevaerts: do you know what this 09 01 02 01 00 02 ... hid request is?
00:25:13TheSeventhat one is timing out
00:25:26TheSevenno, overflowing
00:26:24TheSeventhen the device responds with fe 00 00 00 00 01 ..., and this is timing out, obviously triggering some kind of breakage
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00:29:06*TheSeven needs to compare that to a dump of a working ipod
00:29:24*bcpk is a newbie looking for tech support and feels terribly ashamed
00:29:50*TheSeven wonders what bcpk is ashamed of
00:30:07bcpk:(
00:30:08TheSeven...and of course what kind of support he needs
00:30:25Tomismaybe he filled his media player with water
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00:30:32bcpkthe "why is 3.4 crashing every 10 seconds on my iPod 5G" kind
00:31:01krazykitbcpk, which one? the 30gb or the 60/80gb?
00:31:24TheSevendoes that sentence imply that 3.3 worked?
00:31:24bcpk60GB
00:31:35bcpkTheSeven, first time using Rockbox today
00:31:49TheSevenhow is it exactly behaving?
00:32:04bcpkkrazykit, I tried installing both 30GB and 60GB versions, both gave me the same issues
00:32:07TheSevenja, wieso?
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00:32:16TheSevenargh, wrong window
00:32:28bcpkwell, it basically just locks up every few minutes
00:32:39TheSevenbut it boots up properly?
00:32:43bcpkyeah, I guess
00:33:10bcpkbut if I go into file manager it crashes, settings, crash, if I play a song it goes for about 10 minutes and then cuts out
00:33:29bcpkthe menu crashing seems fairly random but the song crashing is recreatable
00:33:48bcpkI have reformatted and reinstalled several times
00:34:05bcpkI also ran a chkdsk and bad sector scan which came up clean
00:34:48flybackbcpk,
00:34:50flybacklisten
00:34:57flybackif the os or host can see any bad sectors
00:35:00flybackthe hard drive is failed
00:35:13flybackmodern disks auto remap bad sectors with spares on write errors
00:35:32bcpkok
00:35:35flybackbut they don't reallocate on read errors so sometimes you end up with bad sectors you can clear by overwring the entire disk
00:35:49flybackit's risky on read because you might not get the data out
00:35:52bcpkwell that much works anyway
00:35:55pixelmahe said there were no issues
00:36:02flybackbut on write since you destroy what is there, it's safe to do
00:36:06flybackI know I am just saying
00:36:14flyback in case he doesn't know and he starts to see bad sectors
00:36:21flybackwhat you want to do is check the smart tables on your drive
00:36:32flybackreallocated sectors make sure it's below the limit considered shit
00:36:49flybackpending reallocations are sectors the drive is waiting for a write to fix
00:37:01krazykitbcpk, does everything seem to work fine with the apple firmware?
00:37:03stacker55flyback is right, bcpk.
00:37:10flybackuncorrectables/unc, AMNF OR TZNF = hard drive is *CANUCKED*
00:37:16pixelmanot sure how that would help him
00:37:29flybackbcpk, speedfan will check your smart
00:37:30bcpkkrazykit, I haven't tested it extensively because I don't have any music in my official firmware
00:37:35flybackand you can have it do a web page read
00:37:40stacker55ssd's however, are another can of worms entirely.
00:37:49bcpkbut it hasn't crashed in the few minutes I tried going around the menus
00:37:57flybackit will rate the drive
00:38:13flybackoh is this a portable device?
00:38:17flybackI thought your desktop was conking out sorry
00:38:30bcpkit's my iPod 60GB
00:38:41flybackwell if you extract the hd and put it in a pc
00:38:43stacker55which could be both, afaik
00:38:46flybackyou can do tons of low level tests on it
00:38:50flybackto see how it's doing
00:38:54flybackformat doesn't do jack shit
00:38:56flybacki will tell you right now
00:39:10flybackcan you temp put podzilla on the ipod
00:39:17flybackcause if you can get linux on it you can run some hd tools
00:39:17bcpkflyback, it was working fine yesterday when I was using it as an HFS+ vanilla FW iPod
00:39:38stacker55unless it's no quick format; if it is a full format it will at least touch most sectors.
00:39:46flybackeven full format won't do much
00:40:10flybackbest thing to do is run badblocks -svw on it (this will erase everything including the partitions tables etc" under linux as a external drive
00:40:20flybackthat will write 5 patterns to the disc
00:40:22flybackthen read them back
00:40:34flybackyou can do that as a usb device
00:40:53flybackit won't test any areas that apple or rockbox might reserve for system that aren't mapped to usb mass storage
00:41:11bcpkI have reformatted it several times and used the "Restore" functionality in iTunes (yes, I had to install iTunes just for that..), so its HDD should be arranged as the rockbox installer would expect
00:41:36bcpkI'm not convinced it's a hardware problem
00:41:38TheSevenare we even sure that this is hard disk trouble in the first place?
00:42:05bcpkconsidering it was fine yesterday before I installed Rockbox, I think it's unlikely
00:42:09TheSevenso it just reboots ocasionally?
00:42:21bcpkmore than ocassionally
00:42:34bcpkabout every 10 seconds if I'm going around the menus
00:42:51liarTheSeven, gevaerts: thats a trace from the same ipod but this time it worked: http://www.file-upload.net/download-2170419/usb.wireshark.html, http://www.file-upload.net/download-2170421/usbdump.txt.html
00:42:56TheSevengoing around = just scrolling, or navigating through the different menus?
00:43:18bcpkclicking on menu items
00:43:34bcpkeg if I click on file manager it will freeze
00:43:38TheSeveneven in non-storage-related menus like settings?
00:43:51bcpkyes, theme settings, font settings etc
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00:44:37TheSevenliar: funny. in this dump, the same control request that failed with "overflow" in the non-working dump this time failed with "broken pipe"
00:44:57TheSeventhe timeout is identical
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00:45:21TheSevenhmm the whole thing is identical
00:45:38TheSevenit also failed, but then re-enumerated, which it also failed to do in the other dump
00:46:02pixelmabcpk: how does it "lock up"?
00:46:48bcpkpixelma: The backlight turns off, the screen freezes (but is still visible) and it has to be restarted with Menu+Select
00:48:31liarTheSeven: an idea why?
00:50:10TheSevenliar: in the "working" dump, there are actually 2 complete device initialisations
00:50:26TheSevenand the second time, the host didn't even issue the request that caused the first one to fail
00:50:36TheSeventhe hid seems to be up and running nevertheless
00:50:51TheSeveni need to dig up what that thing is supposed to do...
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00:51:35TheSevenbcpk: so it doesn't reboot automatically?
00:51:51TheSevendoes the backlight turn off immediately as soon as it locks up, or after the usual "idle timeout"?
00:52:06TheSevenand theme and font settings are potentially accessing the disk
00:52:52bcpkthe backlight turns off immediately upon selecting the menu item that causes the crash
00:53:12bcpkand no it has to be manually reboote
00:53:17bcpkrebooted*
00:53:22pixelmabcpk: and you tried the 30GB build? Though I never heard about issues while navigating the menus but it would explain the crash on playback (the real difference between the build is the assumed RAM which is half the size on the 30GB Ipods but there are cases where 60/80GB Videos also only have this amount)
00:53:56bcpkpixelma : Yep, I tried the 30GB build too, no joy :(
00:53:59pixelmaI'm out of ideas other than that though... sorry
00:54:13bcpkit's very confusing
00:54:29bcpkeveryone else I've asked about it has just said that theirs works perfectly
00:55:05TheSevenyes, this is a really weird issue... never heard of anything like that
00:55:22pixelmaor problems with the disk but you say chkdsk found nothing
00:55:48TheSeventhis somehow looks like a more-or-less controlled shutdown, if it turns of the backlight
00:56:01stacker55actually, i doubt it is the disk, i have similar problems with the hdd6320 come to think of it
00:56:03TheSevendoes the disk spin when it locks up?
00:56:05bcpkbut the menu is still visible on the screen
00:56:17bcpkeven though it has frozen
00:56:26stacker55bcpk: what menu option was it again ?
00:56:31bcpklet me check, I'll start up my iPod again
00:56:49TheSevencould this be the PMU going down?
00:56:54bcpkstacker55 : pretty much anything. File manager, song selection, font/theme settings...
00:57:03TheSevendoes the LCD slowly fade to white?
00:57:05stacker55anything that touches the disk
00:57:25stacker55and after how long ?
00:57:28bcpkthe LCD turns off abruptly
00:57:35stacker55would that be say; 30 seconds to 1 minute ?
00:57:42bcpkcrashing occurs immediately on selection
00:57:54stacker55hmm, different issue then :(
00:57:55bcpkwhen playing back songs it lasts for maybe 10 minutes and then cuts out
00:58:10TheSevenwhen it has crashed and you don't reset it, what does happen to the still-visible display contents?
00:58:17TheSevendo they slowly fade away? (after like a minute)
00:58:22bcpknope
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00:58:42bcpk20 minutes later I can still see the song list from the last time it crashed
00:58:52TheSevenso the display seems to be still powered
00:58:53WillyI found out what went wrong −− r23814 doesn't build rockbox.mi4.
00:59:21bcpkok, just tried it out
00:59:31bcpkwhen I selected File it automatically rebooted
00:59:37bcpkfirst time it's done that...
00:59:48TheSevenis there a correlation with spinning up the disk?
01:00
01:00:04liarTheSeven: so you need a trace from a working ipod?
01:00:07bcpkselecting Artist from database caused the same reboot
01:00:19stacker55if he can play songs, then i don't think that will be the issue
01:00:29TheSevenliar: first of all, I would like to understand what that request is supposed to do in the first place
01:00:40TheSevenbut yes, another dump from an always-working ipod can't hurt
01:00:50WillyAnd I think I had deleted the "SYSTEM" dir once RB got access to the external SD card. oops
01:00:55bcpkand now I just selected Artist again and it crashed in a different manner from the last one - freezing now
01:00:57TheSevenany USB HID expert around?
01:02:03TheSevenbcpk: this really sounds like the power manager goes down while trying to spin up the disk
01:02:17TheSevenis this an original apple hard drive?
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01:02:40bcpkyep
01:02:58bcpkthe iPod has not been modified in any way, as far as I'm aware
01:03:06stacker55theseven: what is the difference ?
01:03:23bcpkin fact I saw Toshiba come up in the bootloader which is the original HDD manufacturer as far as I know
01:03:30liarTheSeven: i will send you a dump from an always-working ipod(nano2g and maybe ipod video) tomorrow
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01:06:07bcpkis there any log or somethign I could post?
01:07:05TheSevenliar: it's a SET_REPORT request that triggers the whole trouble
01:07:13TheSevennot sure about the root cause though
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01:07:45TheSevenbcpk: This somehow smells like a power problem to me
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01:08:17TheSevenis rockbox doing some kind of emergency poweroff if the battery voltage drops below a certain threshold?
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01:09:01TheSeventhis could just be a battery with a relatively high inner resistance causing a noticable voltage drop during spinup, that triggers a poweroff
01:09:10pixelmaon LiPoly yes, but you should get a splash
01:10:00TheSevenpixelma: IIRC I saw some code that just shut off the device instantly in some cases while writing the nn2g power management driver
01:10:30TheSevenbcpk: how's your battery performance in the apple firmware?
01:10:55bcpkseems fine to me
01:10:58pixelmawould testing with USB connected give some clue (I know Videos don't draw enough power for charging but maybe it does for a quick test)?
01:11:23TheSevenif it would work in that case, that would of course point towards a power issue
01:11:40TheSeveni'm always testing with USB connected, so I didn't think of this
01:11:42bcpkI'll try it plugged into my wall charger
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01:16:55bcpkhmm
01:17:06bcpkit still crashed when plugged in
01:17:20*TheSeven is out of ideas then
01:17:32bcpkbut I changed the theme to a simple one, iCatcher I think it was called
01:17:36bcpkit seems more stable
01:17:42bcpkalthough it still crashes
01:17:46bcpkbut it's less frequent
01:18:23bcpkare there any power setting sI should change?
01:18:30TheSeventry to (dis)prove that there is a correlation between the crashes and disk accesses/spinups
01:18:45saratogaif the gogear is mostly working we should release a bootlaoder for it
01:18:58TheSevenif it has nothing to do with spinups, you don't need to worry about power
01:19:35bcpkit cuts out before the disk has a chance to spinup at all
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01:19:52bcpkthe disk spins up when the device resets without any issues
01:20:16TheSevenso it does always fail before it spins up the disk?
01:20:30pixelmaI think charging was disabled in 3.4 for Ipods but I'm unsure if this is important for this test (thought it still draws some power). I don't know enough about it
01:20:32bcpkwell, it has managed to play sounds mefore
01:20:38TheSevencan you try accessing the file browser before it even spins down for the first time?
01:20:53bcpkpixelma : I went to System info and it said Charging
01:21:29pixelmamaybe enabling dircache helps - no spinups while browsing
01:22:05TheSevenyes, one could try enabling dircache through the config file from disk mode or the apple firmware
01:22:17TheSeveni doubt he'll manage to enable it in rockbox itself...
01:22:27TheSevensounds too shaky for that
01:22:27bcpkaha!
01:22:51bcpkif I continue to access files and menu items before the HDD spins down, it is OK
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01:23:33TheSevencan someone make him a testing build with the ADC disabled and reading a fixed (high) value?
01:23:39TheSeveni need to go to sleep asap
01:23:47TheSevenalready much too late again
01:24:31TheSeventhis sounds like either a bad battery or massively-off ADC reading
01:24:44TheSevenwhat does the rockbox battery indicator say?
01:25:41bcpk85%
01:25:48bcpk14h 34m
01:26:06bcpkbuffer is 60.4 MB
01:26:11webguest57How do you use the utility installer on linux once you have it downloaded?
01:27:27TheSevenhm, this suggests a really high inner resistance... bad battery? battery connector going loose?
01:28:15TheSevenwould be nice to disable that poweroff and have a look at the actual readings during a spinup
01:28:17bcpkwell it's been working absolutely fine for the last 3 years
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01:28:53TheSeventhe battery voltage is probably just dropping a little too much during the spinup - below some shutoff limit set in rockbox
01:29:01TheSeventhe apple firmware may just be ignoring that
01:29:33bcpkah
01:30:33TheSevendid you ever see the apple firmware suddenly showing an "empty battery" screen when the battery meter told it was not that empty yet shortly before?
01:31:37bcpkafraid not
01:32:06TheSevenhm, i would have expected the PMU chip to power it off at a certain threshold
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01:32:59TheSevenhowever, this still sounds like battery/power management trouble to me
01:33:20TheSevenbut honestly I'm out of ideas what to do about it, besides maybe disabling battery voltage reading altogether
01:33:37bcpkyeah...
01:33:44bcpklooks like a bit of a dead end
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01:34:21bcpkI'm sorry to have used up so much of your time
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01:34:50saratogai compiled gogear bootloaders: http://duke.edu/~mgg6/rockbox/phillips/
01:35:30TheSevenbcpk: well, at least we roughly know what's going on know
01:35:46bcpkthe battery capacity is set at 600mAh... is that right?
01:35:54Torneyes
01:35:59bcpkoh, ok
01:36:07Tornebut that's irrelevant, it's only used for runtime estimation
01:36:08bcpkseems pretty small /ot
01:36:27Torneyes, that's one of the easy ways to gain runtime on an ipod, switch the battery for a more modern one ;)
01:37:01Tornethe battery level is detected based on voltage, using the known discharge curve
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01:38:35bcpk_v=V(1-e^(-t/RC)) ?
01:39:32Torneno, there's a standard curve for voltage vs proportion of battery used which is just in the code :)
01:39:49Tornebut yah. capacity setting doesn't amtter for your purposes
01:39:58Torneshutdown threshold is in volts
01:41:33bcpk_of course, that's for AC
01:41:35*bcpk_ hands head
01:41:40bcpk_hangs*
01:41:48bcpk_tired and frustrated :|
01:49:12***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
01:49:17bcpk_Well, I'm gonna hit the hay
01:49:21bcpk_1 AM
01:49:25stacker55good night
01:49:33bcpk_thanks for trying to help, everyone
01:49:35stacker55same thing here :)
01:50:14WillyThrough bisecting I found out the commit that breaks MP3 recording on my e200v1 http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev;revision=23784
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01:56:13WillyHere's the Flyspray http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10917
01:56:44S_a_i_n_twhen compiling one's own build, what exactly is the (A)dvanced build?
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01:57:15*JdGordon pings nls to help Willy
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02:13:59nlsWilly: ah, i half expected that to be the cause, i must have screwed up the test, will try to figure out the fix later, gtg now
02:14:14Willycool
02:15:20Willydoes mp3_enc.c have any effect on mp3_encoder.rock?
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02:18:41nlsWilly: no
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02:19:21nlsWilly: i can spot only one obvious error, line 2115 should read m = r + l + err;
02:19:32nlsgtg for real now
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02:54:18froggymanhas there been any discussion on the next release of rockbox? I have been watching the mailing list, but havent seen anything in a while. Did I miss some discussion on IRC??
02:56:27JdGordonnope
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03:16:37nlsWilly: did you try the change i suggested?
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04:01:06CIA-44New commit by 03nls (r24269): Fix typo causing l+r mono encoding to use only one channel
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04:08:19CIA-44New commit by 03nls (r24270): This should fix FS #10917, unfortunately i have no target evailable to test on
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04:27:32Willynls: more feedback on MP3 bug http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10917
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04:31:20nlsWilly: that's after my two latest commits?
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04:31:52Willyyes. r24270
04:33:39nls:(
04:35:02Willyyou want a sample of right-only and L+R?
04:35:50nlsi think i'll just revert all my changes to that codec since i cna aparently not do this blindly
04:36:26Willyok
04:36:57nlsnot really... dont' think it will help, probably just me messing up this pointer wizardry and can't really spot it now
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04:40:11Willyso this doesn't happen on your player?
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07:01:50MisterXi'm not sure it's a rockbox problem, but figured someone here can know..
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07:02:35MisterXwhen i try to restart it, either nothing happens, or there is just gibberish on the screen and it wont light up, or it boots to original firmware and says "check hdd connection" - but i didn't drop it or anything
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07:30:08*JdGordon has a hunch about playlist resume after shuffle not working
07:31:05arbingordonany recommendations for converting stuff that contains multiple audio streams to be rockbox compatible? (and let you choose which audio stream to use)
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07:43:47pixelmaWilly: yes
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08:04:40Willynls: MP3 recording to mono seems to be working. Thank you.
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08:52:59JdGordonFS #10288 - anyone want to guess if its the playlist creation (from the browser) or playlist resuming (from .playlist_control) thats broken?
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09:13:38pixelmaI sometimes get/got a similar thing - "insert shuffled" on a folder, stop somewhere in the middle of the list, resume - list is in the same order but the current song is in the first position of the playing list and the songs already played are at the end. Fun thing is that once this happened I can reproduce but deleting playlist_control fixes it for a while (currently working ok for me, so I can't tell for sure if it is still a problem)
09:15:19JdGordonno, I've decided it always happens but you might not always notice
09:15:33pixelmano
09:15:44JdGordonespecially if you stop then resume without looking at the playlist
09:16:51JdGordondeleting the playlist_control file means a brand new playlist gets made
09:16:54JdGordonit shuoldnt change anything
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09:17:38pixelmathat's why I found it weird and didn't report until I have a way to reproduce
09:18:51JdGordonI'm pretty convinced that if you stop playback, insert shuffled a folder, note the order. stop, resume, note the order again it will show up
09:19:09*JdGordon has no idea where in that chain the bug is
09:19:40JdGordongoing from .playlist_control -> playlist is correct. if you do it by hand you will get the same order
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09:23:13pixelmaas I said - what I see is that the order is the same, just the starting point is different (current track is the first, even if it fas 6th or so before stopping)
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13:15:10Bagderrockboxdev.sh does
13:15:48Bagderor http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/CrossCompiler if you want
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14:19:06pixelmateru: the png viewer still doesn't use the greylib so only exists on colour targets, right?
14:19:29pixelmain contrast to the jpeg viewer I mean
14:19:39terupixelma: yes
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19:06:27JdGordondomonoky: hey
19:06:38domonokyho
19:06:56JdGordondid you have to do anything special to get the bootloader on the mini2440?>
19:08:30domonokynot really, i just used the included jtag adapter and H-Jtag to flash it.
19:09:15JdGordonon which windows?
19:09:25JdGordonI had no luck with hjtag on win7
19:09:29domonokywindows xp
19:09:47JdGordondamn
19:09:59domonokydoe hjtag just not run on win7 or what was the problem ?
19:10:20JdGordonit said it cant load the driver
19:10:27JdGordonlpt or usb
19:10:50domonokyi used lpt, and the included jtag adapter is lpt :-)
19:11:18JdGordonindeed :p
19:11:33JdGordonI dont syppose you have any idea about my output in the forum thread?
19:11:52*domonoky looks for the forum thread.
19:12:05JdGordonhttp://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6751.msg160948#msg160948
19:15:22domonokylooks like openocd doesnt have enough ram configured todo its work (according to google)
19:15:42domonokyare you sure you configured openocd correctly ?
19:16:15JdGordonI'm sure of nothing.
19:16:27JdGordonjust using the scripts Bobc put on the lyre page
19:17:39domonokyand you have openocd version > 0.2 ?
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19:19:14domonokyand you also did the init step, yes ?
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19:19:52JdGordonthe output of the init looks correct
19:20:00JdGordonwell, nothing obviously wrong with it
19:20:18funmanbertrik: ping
19:20:30domonokyso jtag itself is fine, it just seems to not have configured enough ram to flash the binary...
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19:23:24JdGordonwhen I change the config to work from SDRAM instead of the internal RAM (?) I get http://pastebin.com/m6913eea4 instead
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19:25:04domonokyso no memory error, but flashing still fails. Did you boot the mini2440 from nand or from nor ?
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19:26:45JdGordonnor
19:27:51*domonoky tries to remember... vivi is on nor correct ? so perhaps try again when booted from nand. (the mini2440.cfg has some comments which say vivi remaps memory)
19:29:38JdGordontarget reentered debug state, but not at the desired exit point: 0x0000
19:29:39JdGordonerror writing to flash at address 0x00000000 at offset 0x00000000 (-902)
19:32:25domonokyhm, i am out of ideas. it worked fine for me, but i didnt use openocd. :-)
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19:33:27domonokyafter i flashed the rockbox bootloader once, my memory wasnt anymore at 0x0, but the softreset done by openocd should cure that.
19:33:47JdGordon:( trying to install winxp is a bit extreme for this :)
19:33:55bertrikhi funman
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19:36:41domonokygoogleing tells me error -902 is write protection on flash ? what does flash info 0 say ?
19:38:36funmanbertrik: do you have time for c200v2 testing ?
19:38:37JdGordon# 49: 0x00031000 (0x1000 4kB) protection state unknown
19:38:42JdGordonfor all of them
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19:39:36domonokyhm, state unknown is strange.
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19:40:39b0hoon2hello
19:40:59JdGordon" flash protect 0 0 0 off " says it works, but it doesnt look like it actually did
19:41:12b0hoon2i'm the one who ported packard bell vibe 500.
19:41:42gevaertsb0hoon2: welcome!
19:41:53gevaertsand congratulations
19:42:14b0hoon2hi, thanks
19:42:18funmanb0hoon2: hi, nice work
19:42:27*domonoky bows before b0hoon2 :-)
19:42:52b0hoon2oh, common its nothing big
19:43:19domonokyJdGordon: i dont really know what to test then, but it looks like it didnt correctly detect the flash ? may try to contact Bob_C ?
19:43:44JdGordon:( thanks, yeah ill email him
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19:44:11gevaertsb0hoon2: it's not small either :)
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19:44:30funmanb0hoon2: what work is left, rtc ?
19:45:08b0hoon2yes i suppose and the keymaps too.
19:45:49b0hoon2and at the end recording through the built in microphone and the linein
19:46:13b0hoon2a lot of dissasembling awaits for me yet
19:46:20n1sb0hoon2: great work!
19:46:52b0hoon2nls: thank you
19:47:36b0hoon2i just wanted to have this great alternative to OF which is very bad
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19:48:08gevaertsnot that uncommon
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19:51:12amiconnliar: That looks like the lcd controller is driven too fast
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19:53:33saratogab0hoon2: i looked over your patch quickly and it looked pretty good
19:53:37saratogaIMO it should go into svn
19:53:42*gevaerts agrees
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19:53:55funmanbertrik: can you test the patch on http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=23263.msg160679#msg160679 ? it looks like all the users are gone
19:57:25JdGordongrr.... the flash has no problem being erased... just written to :/
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20:00:14b0hoon2sorry i was kicked out
20:00:25gevaertsb0hoon2: do you think there's a reason not to commit the patch as it is now?
20:00:26bluebrothernice. A structure element called VERSION in a system header. Obviously conflicts with the VERSION define in the Makefile :(
20:00:43b0hoon2something is wrong with my connetion at home
20:01:14gevaertsb0hoon2: not necessarily. Our irc webclient is far from perfect unfortunately
20:01:27b0hoon2well, i think that it is good to commit it now
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20:02:02B4gderit was my fault this time, I restarted the web server
20:02:17pixelmab0hoon2: it's a bit weird to only see you around here now that a great deal of work is done - that you managed without asking question before. Impressive. I hope you'll be around a bit more in IRC now :)
20:02:34b0hoon2i had hope that someone else will have opportunity to add something to this ahn help me and the others to have rockbox on that old player
20:03:01pippijnwhat arguments are there against adding preemption to the scheduling?
20:03:20funmanpippijn: what arguments are there for adding it ?
20:03:36saratogab0hoon2: i noticed you changed a few of the generic PP files, did you test to see if other targets still compile cleanly?
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20:03:45pippijnfunman: you could listen to music while playing doom
20:03:57domonokypippijn: complexitiy, and ofcourse all the existing code.. and i think there is no big benefit in rockbox for this.
20:04:29funmanpippijn: wouldn't it be possible with the current scheduler ?
20:04:37pippijnfunman: only if doom yields now and then
20:04:51B4gderdoom uses the audio buffer methinks
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20:05:01B4gderits not a multitasking issue
20:05:03funmani think it'd be simpler to modify doom
20:05:09domonokypippijn: preemptive sheduling doesnt help if the problem is memory and too slow cpu.
20:05:13domonoky:-)
20:05:23CIA-44New commit by 03gevaerts (r24276): Add initial Packard Bell Vibe 500 port, by Szymon Dziok ...
20:05:47pippijnB4gder: you could disable sound in doom and listen to music then :)
20:05:55funmanb0hoon2: you could find forums of vibe 500 users and invite them to contribute (for keymaps, manual, or code)
20:06:08b0hoon2pixelma: i dont know sometimes i'm very determined in what i do maybe i didnt wanted to bother you about it. it an old player we all know
20:06:09pippijnhm
20:06:12pippijnbut anyhow
20:06:13B4gderpippijn: doom USES the buffer, where would the music be?
20:06:26pippijnB4gder: oh...
20:06:38pippijnlike that
20:06:41funmanpippijn: i think it uses the buffer for something else than doom sounds/music
20:06:45pippijngot it
20:06:47gevaertsb0hoon2: players being old has never stopped anyone
20:06:51saratogai guess on some targets you could have it leave a little buffer for audio, but probably not worth the effort
20:06:56funmani'd like to play doom while listening to music too :)
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20:07:54b0hoon2saratoga: i didnt test it except ipod 30gb - it was ok
20:07:58S_a_i_n_tisn't the only player that could manage doom+music the beast?
20:07:58n1syou are all wrong, doom should support midi to play back the sundtrack!
20:08:06n1ssoundtrack, even
20:08:18pippijnwhat's the beast?
20:08:34S_a_i_n_tthere's a forum thread about it I'm sure
20:08:36n1sthe ridiculously overpowered gigabeat S
20:08:37S_a_i_n_tgigabeat s
20:08:41pippijnah
20:08:50funmanS_a_i_n_t: i imagine sansa ams could also do it
20:08:55pippijnis it nice as a player?
20:09:02pippijnI have the iriver h320
20:09:02n1sS_a_i_n_t: wew won't know that untill someone tries it
20:09:20n1spippijn: yeah, it's a nice player, bit of a short battery runtime though
20:09:20S_a_i_n_tnot in my opinion...but it has a hefty (biggest of all rb targets) processor
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20:09:24b0hoon2well i like it a lot :S
20:09:25pippijnokay
20:09:49CIA-44New commit by 03gevaerts (r24277): Add Packard Bell Vibe 500 bootloader to the automated builds
20:09:58n1sS_a_i_n_t: s/biggest/fastest/ surely ;)
20:10:15funmangevaerts: bootloader isn't used for vibe 500 afaik
20:10:20Strife89http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=16702.msg160979#msg160979
20:10:22b0hoon2yes the battery is somethimes not enough
20:10:23funmandualboot is handled by the hardware
20:10:29gevaertsoh
20:10:32S_a_i_n_tweird
20:10:42gevaertswell, it does build a bootloader
20:11:03funmanfrom the added bootloader/.c file it seemed bootloader target was just a test, but b0hoon2 can confirm
20:11:04pippijnis there a way to find out what's wrong with the h300 bootloader?
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20:11:12b0hoon2but i was travelling a lot with it and once it last for 8 hours and it is very stable
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20:11:33n1spippijn: yes
20:11:47pippijna way that does not involve breaking a player?
20:11:50b0hoon2like my modyfied ipod 30gb
20:12:10gevaertsb0hoon2: does the bootloader build make sense, or should I remove it again?
20:12:14S_a_i_n_tI can't believe how much back & forth bitching there is on #5111 (ipod piezo), apparently we're all opinionated...who knew? :P
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20:12:34n1spippijn: well, there is the bdm setup that LinusN has, maybe someone with the time to debug could borrow it
20:12:44n1sand the knowhow
20:12:44saratogab0hoon2: would you also make a wiki page for the player with install directions, and then add a link to it here: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/TargetStatus#New_Platforms_Currently_Under_De
20:13:14saratogathat way people can find and install the port
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20:13:54b0hoon2gevaerts: the OF bootloader can load three different files
20:14:08Strife89Here's what I have for the GoGear SA9200 Cabbie port. Any feedback on what's there?
20:14:10Strife89http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=16702.msg160979#msg160979
20:14:27gevaertsb0hoon2: so the rockbox bootloader won't be used?
20:14:56b0hoon2i dont know how automated build works yet but it is possible to make the second bootloader
20:16:06b0hoon2however i dont see reason to make it
20:16:22pixelmaStrife89: I'd rather drop the Rockbox logo in the lower left corner (or make it smaller) and have all the other status icons (I did so for the small screen ports). The logo serves no purpose
20:16:24amiconnpippijn: If doom wouldn't yield in the main thread, doom's own sound wouldn't work either
20:16:27gevaertsfor the build system the main reason to add things is to be able to notice when they break
20:16:37b0hoon2saratoga: i know but i was busy with the disasm :)
20:16:40pippijnamiconn: oh
20:16:48amiconnThere really aren't many arguments *for* adding preemption, but there are many arguments against
20:17:07pippijnsuch as?
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20:17:35n1swe don't like the smel :)
20:17:38n1ssmell
20:17:41Strife89pixelma: Will do.
20:18:15n1spippijn: you need to protect stuff which shouldn't be interrupted by a thread swithch for one
20:18:18domonokypippijn: for example you suddenly need protection for stuff shared between tasks.
20:18:33amiconnPerformance, complexity, code size...
20:18:52pippijndomonoky: true
20:19:53*pamaury thinks the usb simulator code will be impossible to understand when it will be finished ;)
20:20:31pippijnhow is target tree coming along?
20:20:34JdGordon|that should definatly be an acheivable goal!
20:21:25pixelmaStrife89: and art and and the tag info to its right look a bit crowded (only a small gap), though I remember thinking the same about the small H10 port which is the same width
20:21:58saratogab0hoon2: once we have install directions, and you have posted a compiled bootloader (if the port even needs one?), then we can add the port to the front page as supported
20:22:25b0hoon2gevaerts: if it is essential for build i'll try to add it to the main-pp.c bootloader
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20:22:52*domonoky thinks this new port doesnt need a bootloader. and gevaerts should revert his last commit and instead add the main build.
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20:23:16saratogaif the OF works as a bootloader, then we don't need a rockbox bootloader
20:23:23b0hoon2ah so it is possible that way
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20:23:49saratogai think one of the phillips ports doesn't use a bootloader either
20:23:53domonokyb0hoon2: sure. some other targets (the old archos ones) also dont have a bootloader.
20:24:03JdGordon|mr500 doesnt have one either :(
20:24:06funmansaratoga: it's been a long time I have not seen my Clipv1 crash
20:24:12b0hoon2ok now i know :)
20:24:14JdGordon|getting into rockbox is a real PITA on that one :p
20:24:19saratogafunman: the playback counter on mine got up to almost 200 hours
20:24:28saratogaand no crashes since november or so
20:24:59saratogai'm quite happy with it, aside from battery life and that can be fixed in due time
20:25:38CIA-44New commit by 03gevaerts (r24278): revert overhasty commit. The Vibe 500 apparently doesn't need a rockbox bootloader
20:25:55saratogaperhaps the bootloader should be removed from configure if it doesn't do anything?
20:25:55funmanI remember crashes after fs#10605 had been committed, not sure what changed since
20:26:11gevaertssaratoga: I'm not sure how easy that is
20:26:20saratogawell its not too important
20:26:43funmani shall test recording again, and perhaps voices
20:26:54*bluebrother has SCSI inquiry for ipodpatcher basically working on OS X
20:26:56saratogaso the vibe and gogear can become "unstable" supported ports basically whenever we get the wiki pages for them cleaned up
20:27:10bluebrothernow to clean up that mess ...
20:27:34saratogafunman: do you remember who it was that had an AMS m200?
20:27:49*domonoky has a m200v4
20:27:51funmandomonoky has "the" m200v4
20:27:53funman:)=
20:27:53gevaertssaratoga: currently it doesn't build cleanly due to the plugin keymaps
20:28:17funmanatomikpunk started working on a m200v4 but it died in the process
20:28:53saratogafunman: i was thinknig maybe its time to revist atomicpunk's jtag work on that device, and see if we can use it to check the OF clocks
20:29:17domonokym200v4 is in sad state. it can play music, but it has diplay problems, and turns of if volume is to high = unusable.
20:29:32funmansaratoga: some people also made jtag connection on e200v2 i think
20:29:35saratogathat device had a easy to access jtag, so i think it should be possible to interrupt the OF, and ask the CGU what speeds are being used
20:30:02gevaertsdomonoky: that last feature might actually be a bonus. Politicians are talking about mandating that!
20:30:53domonokygevaerts: :-) but it clearly is a codec/power setup problem. OF manages much higher volumes.
20:32:26funmanperhaps this is also a symptom of high power consumption of rockbox on these models
20:32:49funmanfix m200v4 powering off could increase battery life
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20:33:13domonokyregarding the vibe 500 main build. if the errors/warnings are only plugin keymaps, we could temporarly disable them in configure, and add it to the automated builds.
20:34:20saratogafunman: i need to find time to do more systematic measurements like we did for PP to figure out where power goes
20:34:35*domonoky is happy to send the m200v4 to someone, if someone is motivated to fix those issues :-)
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20:43:16saratogaa 4.xx firmware means an AMS m200 right?
20:43:28funmanright
20:44:38saratogathey're so cheap on ebay i might as well just find a seller who has a v4 firmware and buy one
20:44:58saratogamaybe someday i'll have time to take it apart, solder on an adapter, and then figure out how jtag actually works . . .
20:45:50bertrikdomonoky, I remember looking up some m200v4 OF initialisation for you , we're you able to do something with that?
20:47:09domonokybertrik: i check those initialisations against the datasheet and our code. There were one or two thing which didnt do, but it didnt changed anything in behavior of the m200v4
20:47:16saratogathat reminds me, i found a company that sells dirt cheap break out boards for the sandisk dock connector
20:47:17domonoky+we
20:48:22bertrikA big difference is of course that m200v4 uses AA (or AAA) batteries and the rest of the sansa ams targets all use a lithium
20:49:20saratogaa single AA?
20:49:37domonokyjup, so it uses the 1.5v to 3.3v stepup voltage converter in the chip.
20:49:49saratogayeah that may just not be set correctly
20:49:52bertrikas far as I understand, the main power is generated by upconverting from the AA, battery while it gets it directly from the Li battery on the other targets
20:49:59domonokyi tried every setting it has, but nothing change regaring the shutdown on high volume.
20:50:05bertrikyes, maybe the step up is configured incorrectly
20:50:20saratogaIIRC it has a few different settings you can use
20:50:39domonokyit only has 2 or 3 settings, and i tried them already without success.
20:50:46bertrikok
20:50:50domonokybut maybe i did something wrong..
20:51:13saratogai still can't figure out why enabling line out and settings its volume to 0dB doesn't seem to produce audio through the fuze line out
20:51:14bertrikdid you have the karaoke effect on the m200v4 when the headphone common mode was not set?
20:51:53funmandomonoky: how bad is m200v4 battery life in rockbox compared to OF ?
20:52:35domonokybertrik: i am not sure. but i tried it with on and off to test if it matters for the shutdown problem.
20:53:04domonokyfunman: no idea. since its ont really useable i didnt let it run so long :-)
20:53:14domonokys/ont/not
20:57:30pippijnwhat is the first piece of code executed when starting the firmware (not the bootloader)?
20:57:36pippijnis it apps/main.c:main?
20:57:40gevaertscrt0.S typically
20:57:44pippijnah
20:57:48pippijnafter that?
20:57:58gevaertsthat one should call main()
20:58:07pippijnthe one in apps/main.c?
20:58:12funmanyes
20:58:22pippijnalright, thanks
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20:58:40funmanthere is only one main() in firmware. each bootloader defines its own though
20:59:02funmannote there is 2 main() in this file: one is for the simulator
20:59:23pippijnI see only one
20:59:31pippijnthe simulator has app_main
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21:02:29kugelb0hoon2: hey, great job!
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21:03:07kugelit looks like you pulled in floating point operations (in the lcd driver), possibly by accident?
21:03:27b0hoon2i have a one question about the ROLO, it doesnt work right now i suppose i should look at the scramble.c file? i didnt touched it because the original bootloader accepts mi v3 with the standard signatures
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21:04:14b0hoon2kugel: thank you im glad to join to this project in tha small piece
21:04:33funmanb0hoon2: do you use iram in the linker file ?
21:04:54*kugel thought ROLO on PP should 'just work'
21:05:50kugelalthough HZ/6.6 probably resolves to an int at compile time?
21:06:35bertrikthe . in 6.6 probably upgrades the entire expression to a float
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21:07:17kugelyea, but it's the parameter for sleep() which only accepts int, so I would expect gcc to make an int from it
21:10:09kugelthat vibe500 seems to be another user of the renesas hd66773r with a slightly different register mapping
21:10:41n1sit would be slightly nicer to do HZ*10/66 then
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21:17:58b0hoon2funman: i suppose that it is defined in the boot.lds file? i've taken it from the iriver h10 port i didnt bother what it does, my mistake i should check it.
21:19:05n1sb0hoon2: if the files are identical, maybe the same files should be used instead of duplicating them?
21:19:43Strife89|LaptopNear final GoGear SA9200 Cabbie: http://www.picpaste.com/releasecandidate.png
21:20:12Strife89|Laptoppixelma: Ping. ^
21:21:15b0hoon2nls: i've looked at the directory tree and i assumed that every target has it's own app.lds and boot.ld file
21:21:32JdGordon|not all of them
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21:24:52pixelmaStrife89|Laptop: why did you change the order of the icons (I'm quite sure the play status is the rightmost even though I don't use cabbiev2 on any of my targets)
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21:26:30Strife89|Laptoppixelma: I didn't move the "shadow" icons any further than I had to.
21:26:47Strife89|Laptoppixelma: I actually hadn't realized they were out of order.
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21:27:16CIA-44New commit by 03tomers (r24279): Remove commented out line from iriver ifp7xx config file ...
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21:27:32tomersI reviewed all targets config file, and got to the following conclusions: LCD_DEPTH <= 8 −−> HAVE_LCD_COLOR never defined.
21:28:16tomersAlso HAVE_LCD_COLOR −−> always LCD_DEPTH == 16
21:28:34tomersTherefore I am about to remove some ifdef hell from fractals...
21:28:40bluebrothertomers: I don't think it's a good idea to assume it will always stay that way
21:28:41pixelmaStrife89|Laptop: do you use the same x-coordinates as the small H10 port (the 128x128 one)? I think it makes sense if the screen is 128x160, or I remember wrong
21:29:03bluebrotherbesides, when grepping one of course has to check if the matched lines aren't commented ones ...
21:29:06JdGordon|tomers: it's possible that > 16 depth might happen
21:29:34JdGordon|but <= 8 not being colour sounds perfectly reasonable
21:29:56tomersJdGordon: I know. But HAVE_LCD_COLOR is always LCD_DEPTH<=8, and that's what I need
21:30:04tomersyeah. thanks
21:30:42Strife89|Laptoppixelma: I have been using the Nano port as a baseline; I didn't realize that the H10 screen was that size.
21:30:54*amiconn disagrees
21:31:10Strife89|Laptoppixelma: With that said, I did move the order.
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21:31:47amiconnIt applies to all currently supported targets, but there's no guarantee it will stay that way
21:32:09JdGordon|arnt some targets 18bits already but used as 16?
21:32:12bertrikhah, synaptics-mep.c has a different declaration for touchpad_set_buttonlights than synaptics-mep.h
21:32:26tomersbluebrother: I know, but that file was the only one that way, and I wanted to get rid of it. it doesn't imply any convention that developers should follow. and that target will never be 'upgraded' to that define, anyway.. :-)
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21:33:54Strife89|Laptoppixelma: I've moved it so that things are back in order. Anything else notable?
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21:36:03Batmanifestdestihey guys, I just got a Sansa Fuze, and was wondering what the chances of bricking it with the unstable rockbox were.
21:36:19tomersCan someone please explain, in mandelbrot_set.c:28, why fb_data is not used instead of unsigned char?
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21:37:40Strife89|Laptophttp://www.picpaste.com/RC2.png
21:37:53tomersThat code is inside #ifdef USEGSLIB, which is set if LCD_WIDTH<8. In that case fb_data will be either unsigned short, or unsigned char... What's wrong with that?
21:38:01Batmanifestdestioh dang, my Fuze is v02.02.26
21:38:10Batmanifestdestiso I guess rockbox doesn't work on it yet
21:38:43JdGordon|Strife89|Laptop: you thought about using the "now playing" line for the progressbar like some of the other smaller targets?
21:38:43amiconntomers: The greylib uses unsigned char by definition. This has nothing to do with the core's fb_data
21:38:47JdGordon|to free up some space
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21:38:49tomersMaybe because grey_ub_gray_bitmap_part takes onli unsigned char as argument?
21:38:53Batmanifestdestior, I think it wouldn't work
21:39:04Batmanifestdestior maybe it would, since the hardware seems the same
21:39:10tomersamiconn: Thanks. It makes the code somehow more complicated
21:39:13gevaertsBatmanifestdesti: the hardware is different
21:39:18Strife89|LaptopJdGordon|: Even the c200 doesn't do that, though.
21:39:23Batmanifestdesticrap. >.>
21:39:41BatmanifestdestiI guess i'll just wait for Rockbox to mature and develop for v2
21:39:49JdGordon|maybe its only the iriver remote that does it
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21:40:12JdGordon|it looks like it fills the screen better on the mini than your screenshot
21:40:15Strife89|LaptopJdGordon|: I believe so.
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21:40:24JdGordon|and you've got 2 extra lines
21:40:38tomersamiconn: But grey_draw.c et al. only compiles if LCD_DEPTH<4, and the check for USE_GSLIB is LCD_DEPTH<=8. It is a bug, isn't it?
21:40:48pixelmaStrife89|Laptop: could you try putting the next song line above the progressbar (it could still be across the whole width)
21:40:49Strife89|LaptopJdGordon|: Not sure what to put on those two lines. :/
21:40:52Batmanifestdestiseeya
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21:41:25*tomers wonders if there some sort of global define that can be used instead of local USE_GSLIB
21:41:31Strife89|Laptoppixelma: Yeah, I'll do that. But the space below the progress bar will become an empty void. :/
21:42:42pixelmahuh? I'd push it down, then it's the same as everywhere else (well except the c200 :\ )
21:42:59amiconntomers: Maybe you could do that here, but USEGSLIB isn't the same in all plugins
21:43:16pixelmalast three "lines" - progressbar, playtime info, statusbar
21:43:37amiconnFor instance the cube plugin uses the greylib only for mono targets, not for 2bit greyscale (and up)
21:44:56tomersamiconn: All plugins that define USEGSLIB do it if LCD_DEPTH<8, but again, it is compiles only if LCD_DEPTH<4, so if we had a target with LCD_DEPTH==4 we had a compilation error
21:45:30amiconnYes, but such a target doesn't exist (so far)
21:45:51tomersamiconn: should I fix this? setting test to <4?
21:46:02b0hoon2n1s: i will try to fix the ROLO and make a patch, until then i just propose to have 2 different files?
21:46:17amiconnThat doesn't apply to all plugins though
21:46:24amiconn(as already mentioned)
21:46:42tomersamiconn: can you please enlighten me, what is that lib used for, and what are the consideration that a plugin have for using it or not?
21:47:07n1sb0hoon2: it's not a real problem, only that duplicated code usually leads to extra maintenance work and sometimes duplicated bugs, etc
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21:48:08tomersamiconn: I disagree - the test can be stricter - i.e. only for 1 bit depth, as in the cube. but it cannot be more relaxed, because it will result in compilation errors
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21:49:38amiconnThe greyscale library allows to show more shades of grey than the LCD supports natively
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21:50:19amiconn129 shades, as opposed to 2 shades (monochrome lcd, black & white), or 4 shades (2 bit greyscale LCDs)
21:50:40tomersamiconn: so maybe we can have it included for LCD_DEPTH<8 in apps/plugins/lib/SOURCES:10
21:50:41amiconnThis is done using temporal dithering
21:50:42pixelmathe greylib provides a means to show gresyscale things on mono targets and more shades of grey on greyscale targets (cube only needs 3 shades anyways so can use the native one on our current greyscale targets)
21:51:19tomersthanks for your explanations
21:51:24b0hoon2bertrik: there is a one more bug i think (synaptics-mep.c), for other target than Pbell its gets 2 bytes of ack while it should get 1 byte i think, even the comment stands about it?
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21:54:00CIA-44New commit by 03tomers (r24280): A simple rename in cube.c (s/USE_GSLIB/USEGSLIB) in order to have better consistency across plugins
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21:56:15Strife89|Laptoppixelma, JdGordon|: http://www.picpaste.com/RC3.png
21:56:53bertrikb0hoon2, I'm not really familiar with synaptics-mep to be honest
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21:57:18bertrikI wonder why char parameters are used anyway, is it perhaps some kind of attempt of optimisation?
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22:00:14b0hoon2i don't know but the brightness and the led_mask should be 1 byte long anyway
22:00:57bertrikon line 616 the byte is shifted right 8 bits ...
22:01:35bertrikwhich suggests that led_mask is longer than 1 byte
22:03:11bertrikor is it supposed to do some clever thing with the sign bit when shifting?
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22:05:58pixelmaStrife89|Laptop: what's the empty line in the track info part?
22:06:38Strife89|Laptoppixelma: Nothing more than a seperator for readability.
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22:07:29b0hoon2ah, true it is because the parameters passed for the MEP orders are always in 16bit format, in this case (order 0x31) every bit is responsible for one led. So it is a bug in the header file?
22:08:16pixelmaStrife89|Laptop: and did you look at the 128x128 port? It has a bit bigger and in my eyes cleaner icons and I like its splitting the album and year info into two lines (scrolling album title is a little less likely at least).
22:08:53bertrikb0hoon2, yes I think so
22:09:48Strife89|Laptoppixelma: I have not, but I will take a look.
22:10:06Strife89|LaptopIcons were copied from the iPod Nano port.
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22:10:19pixelmaI don't understand why playing time doesn't show up on that one (should update my sim before though)
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22:10:45pixelmaStrife89|Laptop: only copied without rescaling?
22:10:55Strife89|Laptoppixelma: Yes.
22:11:03pixelmaweird
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22:15:51*pixelma still ponders a cabbiev2 version for the c200 port which uses a 10 pixel tall font so that the playtime info fits without dropping anything else - as well as volume display in dB while changing volume for all
22:16:44*rasher wishes (unsurprisingly) that there was a large-font version
22:17:41S_a_i_n_tQuestion: Is there any reson why the .bmp's in the source are range from 71 to 299dpi? Can they be more, or less without breaking anything?
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22:18:09pixelmadpi doesn't matter, just the resolution
22:18:10n1sS_a_i_n_t: dpi makes no sense for those
22:18:28JdGordon|Casainho: my bloody mini2440 wont flash :/
22:18:48S_a_i_n_thow do you mean, makes no sense?
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22:19:20CasainhoJdGordon|: why?
22:19:26saratogadpi doesn't mean anything in this context
22:19:37Casainhodid you asked to domonoky or Bob_C?
22:19:41saratogasince you haven't defined a size scale
22:19:51pixelmadpi is a unit that's needed for printing etc., for our purpose it's only important how many pixels wide our high something is
22:19:56JdGordon|I keep getting error 902, yeah domonoky couldnt help, i emailed bob
22:20:00CasainhoJdGordon|: are you using JTAG? if so, which dongle?
22:20:08JdGordon|the one it comes with
22:20:32S_a_i_n_tAh, I'd just wondered why they weren't constant...thats all.
22:20:39CIA-44New commit by 03bertrik (r24281): Add a missing #include, make a function static, make touchpad_set_buttonlight implementation and declaration consistent
22:20:40CasainhoJdGordon|: I flashed my Mini2440 using Olimex USB JTAG dongle.
22:20:49 Part anjaa
22:21:04JdGordon|i dont tihnk the issue is there... openocd connects fine
22:21:11CasainhoJdGordon|: and I did it on Linux Ubuntu, using OpenOCD scripts. I think Bob_C did the same...
22:21:14*JdGordon| will just wait for bob tor reply
22:21:58CasainhoJdGordon|: so, are you getting on the OpenOCD shell?
22:22:07JdGordon|yes
22:22:22CasainhoJdGordon|: and did you try to erase?
22:22:33S_a_i_n_tI'd just wondered whether or not the dpi mattered when it comes to replacing images in the source. So, as long as the filename/dimensions are the same...it'll work?
22:22:58CasainhoJdGordon|: are you using the same OpenOCD scripts I used? −− they are shared on Lyre site!
22:23:01b0hoon2I must go now, thanks to all developers for allowing this port, im sorry for the slow answers, it will sound very weird but i have never used IRC before and everything flick before my eyes so fast.
22:23:29CasainhoJdGordon|: and can you halt, reset and run the CPU?
22:23:56JdGordon|Casainho: erase says it works fine (as does the verify), yes im using those scripts, and yes, I tried loading the binary to 0x30000000 and running and it ran fine
22:24:01bertrikb0hoon2, goodbye, see you later!
22:24:03JdGordon|it just wont write it to flash
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22:24:24JdGordon|but im in windows and need to eat and get to work o cant play now
22:24:58CasainhoJdGordon|: I remember that there is some select button to select the correct flash IC, before we can flash it
22:25:18CasainhoJdGordon|: like there is NAND and NOR flash... you should select the correct one
22:25:27JdGordon|yes, its set to nor
22:25:48b0hoon2thank you and good night.
22:26:07CasainhoJdGordon|: ok, good luck ;-) −− I am still working on my 3D printer, soon I hope be able to print a plastic enclosure for Mini2440 :-) −− you know, Domonoky also got a 3D printer :-)
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22:26:35S_a_i_n_tI'm wondering what I'm doing wrong...I want to replace the splash screen/various other images etc. the filenames match, the dimensions match, filesize matches...but it won't compile. Any ideas why?
22:27:07n1smaybe the error messages tell you something?
22:27:20n1salso a make clean is probably a good idea
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22:28:24S_a_i_n_tnext build I'll post the specific error, I can't remember it off the top of my head.
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22:33:13saratogatomers: seen my email to the dev list?
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23:20:22Horschthm... since the begining of december I noticed a small "pause" when the buffer of my ipod video 64mb refills. Also on the latest build (r24281)
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23:21:10Horschtbasicaly when a song is playing and the buffer starts to refill, the current song stops playing for a second.
23:21:48Horschthas anyone else noticed this?
23:23:54saratogai thought people testing the dma patch reported that, but not with svn
23:23:59kugelHorscht: can you check the watermark number in the buffering thread menu?
23:24:03gevaertsI'm not sure. I have this vague feeling that people saw it
23:24:11gevaertshm, saratoga is probably right though
23:24:38HorschtI am using SVN, since I don't have a build environment
23:25:06Horschtkugel, 31342648
23:25:15Horschtor does it have to be at a certain time?
23:25:33Horschtnow it went down to 192000
23:25:38kugelthe watermark says when to start rebuffering. it should be big enough to hold audio data for at least the disk spin up time
23:26:05kugelok, what bitrate is your audio?
23:26:05Horschtok, just a moment
23:26:08gevaertsI wonder if Torne's multisector change could be involved
23:26:22Horschtvarious, moslty V2 or V0
23:26:40kugelthat means?
23:26:56HorschtVBR quality
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23:27:25HorschtV2 should be about... 256kbit/s, V0 ~ 320
23:27:28Horschti think
23:27:31kugelah ok
23:27:46Horschtor was it 192/256?
23:28:14Horscht-V0 (~245 kbps), -V1 (~225 kbps), -V2 (~190 kbps
23:30:57kugelthat should be plenty
23:31:30Horschtwaiting for the rebuffer now... just a few more minutes :)
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23:34:16Horschtkugel, 223000
23:34:46Horschtis what the watermark says
23:36:36kugelyea, that should be plenty. that's more than 6s before it's empty
23:36:46kugelmaybe fragmentation is an issue?
23:37:49kugelisn't there a "disk spinup time" setting?
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23:40:58Horschthm... fragmentation does not seem to be a problem... 0.09% fragmentation
23:41:03kugelHorscht: the code assumes 5s spin up time, but AFAIR there's asetting to alter that assumption for faster/slower spinning disks
23:41:54JdGordon||so whats the story with 3.5? are we outright leaving it till march?
23:42:22JdGordon||I don't care one way or the other, but having someone come up with an answer would be nice
23:42:27kugelonly 1 reply to my "so what now" mail..
23:42:41Horschtkugel, i found a setting called "disk spindown"
23:42:52Horschtwhich is set to 5s
23:43:21AlexPJdGordon||: I've got confused somewhere down the line - what are we actually waiting for? What needs fixing/polishing?
23:43:30kugelIt doesn't sound as it would be the one, but you could try if it has an influence on the watermark
23:44:39Horschtto me it sounds like a setting that would affect the time the disc stops *after* the buffering
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23:47:40Horschtkugel 192000 with a 15s spindown time
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23:48:03JdGordon||AlexP: I'm not sure
23:48:03JdGordon||B4gder: do you remember what the stuff was in the origional email that you wanted to let stabilise?
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23:48:21Horschtgotta go to be now. I am tired :(
23:48:46B4gderno... could have been the target renaming?
23:49:17kugelHorscht: it seems to be called antiskip
23:49:20JdGordon||the only thing I remember was sbs stuff which seems to be in reasonable shape now
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23:50:07Horschtkugel, where would I find that in the rockbox settings so i can try tomorrow?
23:50:33kugel"Anti-Skip Buffer", I assume in the playback settings
23:50:42Horschtah, found it. under playback.
23:51:02AlexPLet's do it then!
23:51:13Horschti was expecting it under general -> system -> disk
23:51:20AlexPDid any of the release checklist stuff get worked out?
23:51:26kugelexcept plugins, but we have a bandaid handy
23:51:26JdGordon||probably not
23:51:37Horschtanyways i'll try tomorrow, good night
23:52:00kugelHorscht: just leave a message then, we read the logs :)
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23:56:56JdGordon||ok, so is everyone totally indifferent to releaseing?
23:57:29gevaertsI'm not indifferent to releasing in general, but I'm slightly indifferent to the exact timing
23:57:51gevaertsbut yes, now is as good a time as any to start the freeze as far as I'm concerned
23:58:18JdGordon||*now* would be unfair
23:58:38JdGordon||but I'd be happy to have someone decide release feb 1(ish) and freeze next week
23:58:45JdGordon||which gives people time to get anything in
23:58:45B4gderI suggest _somone_ just picks a date and stand firm to start the freeze at that date
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