00:00:49 | * | gevaerts proposes a mail to -dev to ask if anyone objects to the freeze, with 24 hours to reply |
00:00:53 | kugel | and 3.6 on march 23rd already? |
00:00:56 | JdGordon|| | which puts the next one at may (so we prob wont be releaseing over devocn) |
00:01:07 | gevaerts | kugel: let's decide on one release at a time :) |
00:02:11 | B4gder | devcon however... |
00:02:21 | AlexP | JdGordon||: Yeah, let's do it |
00:02:55 | * | JdGordon|| will email the dev-ml unless nyone else has already started |
00:03:18 | gevaerts | JdGordon||: go ahead. I was going to start, but I was interrupted by a slightly more urgent mail |
00:03:30 | JdGordon|| | more urgent?! |
00:03:35 | JdGordon|| | what on earth could be more urgetnT |
00:03:38 | JdGordon|| | ! |
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00:09:11 | bmbl | hmm I downloaded both sample videos (from http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/PluginMpegplayer#Sample_Videos) for my Sansa e280v2 and put them on a sdCard but they're not showing up in the filebrowser. Any advice? |
00:09:44 | AlexP | Check the "Show files" setting |
00:09:52 | AlexP | make sure it is either all or supported |
00:09:58 | kugel | the dreaded one |
00:10:03 | bmbl | ... |
00:10:09 | bmbl | Damnit so easy? |
00:10:09 | AlexP | kugel: yeah |
00:10:17 | bmbl | thanks :) |
00:10:27 | AlexP | I'd really like that moved off the quickscreen defaults |
00:10:32 | AlexP | bmbl: No worries |
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00:19:10 | JdGordon|| | AlexP: it just needs someone to work out a better default |
00:19:15 | JdGordon|| | but yes, that really shuold be removed |
00:19:28 | AlexP | yeah |
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00:41:02 | Torne | gevaerts: my change enabled multisector writes, reads were already multisector, but it's not impossible it's that change |
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01:06:15 | S_a_i_n_t | in regards to the quickscreen defaults, what about makingthe top& bottom selection volume up&down? |
01:06:48 | S_a_i_n_t | I'm not really a fan of the 'show files' setting being there either |
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01:12:55 | JdGordon|| | S_a_i_n_t: meh, there should be a better one.. also not every target has the up one |
01:14:22 | kugel_ | NOTÃ |
01:14:25 | kugel_ | not? |
01:15:40 | JdGordon|| | ? |
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01:18:54 | kugel_ | which doesn't have the up one? |
01:19:22 | JdGordon|| | isnt it only on targets with a big enough screen? |
01:20:21 | kugel_ | no |
01:20:31 | JdGordon|| | ok |
01:21:20 | kugel_ | I couldn't remember anymore either but I just looked and it appears I removed that special handling |
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01:38:39 | klapaucjusz | http://www.pgexperts.com/document.html?id=8 |
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01:41:35 | klapaucjusz | Eh? |
01:41:46 | klapaucjusz | No, it's slides from a presentation that might be relevant to Rockbox. |
01:41:52 | kugel_ | suspicious links :\ |
01:42:05 | klapaucjusz | Sorry, I'll be more careful next time. |
01:42:32 | JdGordon | give some context before posting links |
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01:43:02 | JdGordon | not to mention that the video that goes with that slideshow is far more interesting |
01:43:05 | klapaucjusz | Will do. |
01:43:12 | klapaucjusz | Ah? |
01:44:52 | * | JdGordon cant find it :( |
01:46:54 | kugel_ | we actually meet some points |
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01:50:43 | JdGordon | thats bloody painful to read.. could they make it look any worse? |
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01:52:03 | kugel_ | funny that sun makes jokes about "no outside committers" |
01:52:21 | JdGordon | ok, I might have got the wrong impression from my quick look... http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4216011961522818645&ei=MAJVS6WQD4eYqAO_pvSYCQ&q=poisonous+people is the video though |
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01:54:01 | klapaucjusz | kugel_: I think that he's not speaking for Sun. I take it as a stab at his own company. |
01:54:49 | kugel_ | head over to -community, its getting off topic |
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02:57:26 | S_a_i_n_t | this line/string "MAKE_MENU(root_menu_, ID2P(LANG_ROCKBOX_TITLE), |
02:57:30 | S_a_i_n_t | item_callback, Icon_Rockbox," in ~/rockbox/apps/ is the one that displays the title 'Rockbox' in the main menu....correct? If so, how do I need to edit it in order to just show a blank line? |
02:59:39 | JdGordon | you can remove the title with a setting cant you? |
02:59:58 | JdGordon | or do you want the blank line? |
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03:01:19 | S_a_i_n_t | ...no, I don't think there's a setting for it, if there is I don;t know about it/where it is. |
03:01:30 | S_a_i_n_t | a blank line wold be preferred though |
03:01:41 | S_a_i_n_t | so I'd like to knOw how to do that thanks |
03:02:35 | JdGordon | hmm, the setting is only for the browsers |
03:02:45 | JdGordon | change ID2p(...) to just "" |
03:03:01 | JdGordon | you will still get the titles in other menus though |
03:03:43 | S_a_i_n_t | that's exactly what I want, (other menu titles still I mean...) thanks man, you're a lifesaver once again. |
03:05:06 | JdGordon | that better not have been a veiled attempt to ask how to rename rockbox for your custom builds! |
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03:13:58 | Unhelpful | curious, calculating x/y and x%y seems to be faster than either one singly. i would think that even if completing the calculations for on value fills cycles where the other would stall anyway that it would still be *at best* the same speed... |
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04:24:15 | ssf | Anybody know if this is a v1 or v2 Fuze on Buy.com? There are conflicting answers in the Product Q & A section. I suppose it could be randomly one or the other? "SanDisk Sansa Fuze 2GB Media Player (Black) - Refurbished - SDMX14R-002GK-R" http://www.buy.com/prod/sandisk-sansa-fuze-2gb-media-player-black-refurbished/q/loc/111/212727527.html |
04:25:17 | S_a_i_n_t | ssf: as far as I know, the only way to know if it's v1 or v2 for sure is to check the firmware version |
04:25:35 | S_a_i_n_t | which you won;t be able to do online... |
04:25:47 | S_a_i_n_t | unless you specifically ask the seller (if you can) |
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04:27:14 | ssf | S_a_i_n_t: right, but according to my brother any model # ending in -A72 is certainly a v2. The one he got was a refurbished 4gb. He says he asked on here and people said it was _probably_ a v1 but it wasn't guaranteed. I'm mainly wondering if anyone happens to know either way for this one. |
04:27:39 | ssf | mind you, he ordered one that wasn't an -A72 |
04:29:02 | S_a_i_n_t | afaik, if the firmware revision is 1.xxx then it's a v1....if it's 2.xxx it's a v2 |
04:29:10 | ssf | anyone been buying fuzes to rockbox lately? seems like the refurbs would have to be the best bet. |
04:29:21 | S_a_i_n_t | even ones badges as v2 from factory can in fact be v1's |
04:29:24 | ssf | ... or else used fuzes... maybe |
04:29:40 | ssf | oh, interesting. |
04:30:06 | S_a_i_n_t | I *think* that's the only way to tell...but I don;t actually own one. |
04:30:20 | S_a_i_n_t | just that *MANY* people ask that question...regularly |
04:30:27 | ssf | heh, I see... |
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04:31:19 | S_a_i_n_t | so, if there's an option to be able to return the product...I'd say go for it. If you may end up getting stuck with it, then don;t bother. |
04:31:29 | ssf | hmm |
04:31:45 | ssf | this is buy.com, so I dunno... |
04:31:50 | S_a_i_n_t | better to get one you *know* to be a v1 |
04:32:07 | ssf | the v2 port is still a ways off, right? |
04:32:38 | S_a_i_n_t | well, it's not finished....release dates are never given for rb ports. |
04:32:51 | S_a_i_n_t | as it's all a volunteer effort. |
04:33:14 | ssf | i mean, it's in a very early state still at this point, right? |
04:33:26 | S_a_i_n_t | yes. |
04:34:54 | S_a_i_n_t | Then general response for "when will port 'x' be available?" is, "Maybe tomorrow, maybe next week, maybe never" |
04:36:51 | ssf | sorry, above I should have said -A57 is always a v2, in case that misleads anyone. |
04:38:24 | S_a_i_n_t | I've never heard that myself, so I'm not sure if it's true or not. only way I know for sure is to turn the player on and see what the firmware revision reports as. 1.xxx=v1 2.xxx=v2 |
04:38:43 | S_a_i_n_t | but you may well be right. |
04:38:51 | Unhelpful | S_a_i_n_t: in general we don't use labels like v1/v2 here if you can tell based on external features or product name :) |
04:39:08 | ssf | well this what my brother said, and he heard it from someone else (probably on this channel) so who knows. |
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06:47:20 | ED-209 | hello, there was a fix posted on flyspray about the h300 not turning on via the remote |
06:47:39 | ED-209 | it said the problem was totally fixed but it's not |
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06:48:20 | ED-209 | somene said it's a bootloader error but there hasn't been a new bootloader made yet, or has there? |
06:49:03 | JdGordon | the svn bootloader will brick your h300, so no there is no newer bootloader (I tihnk v6 is the latest?) |
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07:14:40 | S_a_i_n_t | Hmmm, quick question: yes or no, if you were to make a viewport with 'true magenta' as the background colour it'll actually be magenta, and not transparent...correct? |
07:16:41 | JdGordon | it will be transparent |
07:16:53 | JdGordon | use 255,254,0 for "magenta" |
07:17:07 | JdGordon | replacing the numbers so it actually is correct |
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07:43:02 | pixelma | tockox? |
07:44:41 | JdGordon | could be worse |
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07:56:20 | JdGordon | arg, can we require all wps' in svn to use viewports? |
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09:03:08 | JdGordon | grr |
09:04:38 | CIA-44 | New commit by jdgordon (r24284): undo the last commit... I'm too tired to fgure out how to make batt bench work without the spin down notification (aka, fix red the really lazy way) |
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09:25:16 | AlexP | JdGordon: Wasn't the plan to remove all WPSs from SVN save cabbie anyway? |
09:25:54 | JdGordon | if by "plan" you mean something we sort o think should happen but noone wants to actually do, then yes |
09:26:02 | JdGordon | but even some cabbies dont use viewports |
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09:26:24 | AlexP | I think that is a legitimate use of the word plan :) |
09:27:03 | AlexP | It is straightforward though surely - just a bit of work to get them onto the theme site first |
09:27:37 | JdGordon | is it even worth the effort? |
09:28:14 | AlexP | one mo |
09:30:45 | AlexP | JdGordon: Well possibly |
09:31:15 | AlexP | JdGordon: But I guess even if it isn't immediate then they are in svn history |
09:31:49 | AlexP | The only real pain in the arse will be submitting them, as extracting them from a build is easy |
09:31:59 | AlexP | But with no batch submission it'll take for ever |
09:32:00 | JdGordon | there is of course no real reason to get rid of them, other than they dont get updated |
09:32:18 | AlexP | We should gather volunteers to do a target each :) |
09:32:29 | JdGordon | to upload? or update? |
09:32:32 | AlexP | JdGordon: Well it is a bit cleaner I suppose |
09:32:36 | AlexP | JdGordon: upload |
09:32:53 | JdGordon | I'm sure a script could be done to speed it up |
09:33:05 | JdGordon | rasher: ^? |
09:33:12 | AlexP | JdGordon: You are right, there is no real reason - it just feels like that with the theme site and a decent default, there is no reason for them to be there |
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09:41:15 | Zagor | I wonder if we should attempt to create "teams" with different areas of speciality. |
09:42:22 | Zagor | I know at least I would probably be more productive if a number of patches and/or bugs were loosely "targeted" at me or a group I'm in. |
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09:45:05 | S_a_i_n_t | JdGordon: I've looked at the code in your latest test.wps for pl widget, but havent played around with sublines yet, are they different to regular sublines? they're seperated by ";" as usual but no time is specified with the %t tag. I'm familiar with the %t tag, but not in all of it's aspects, does it default to 1sec or something if not other time is specified? |
09:49:01 | AlexP | Zagor: I think it is at least worth trying |
09:49:35 | AlexP | S_a_i_n_t: There is a default I think, check the wiki |
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09:50:23 | AlexP | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/CustomWPS#Alternating_Sublines |
09:50:41 | AlexP | Although that says the default is there if %t is not specified at all |
09:50:56 | S_a_i_n_t | thanks AlexP |
09:54:07 | S_a_i_n_t | yeah thanks, it defaults to 2 seconds if %t'x' isn't specified. I'm pretty sure I have sublines in some WPSs that I've actually specified a 2 second transition with %t2.00...which in theory is harmless, but now I know it's 'wrong' persay I'll fix it up purely on principle. |
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10:54:44 | * | GodEater has been handed a VERY broken ipod video |
10:55:28 | GodEater | the apple logo keeps appearing (no backlight), and then disappears again in less than a second, only to reappear again a moment later. repeat ad infinitum. |
10:55:29 | Z0rbas | manual isn't working on the site? |
10:55:45 | GodEater | Z0rbas: manual for what target? |
10:55:51 | Z0rbas | e200 |
10:56:12 | GodEater | ooh yes, nearly all of them are missing |
10:56:30 | Z0rbas | yap |
10:56:34 | Z0rbas | did you know this? |
10:56:53 | GodEater | I do now :) |
10:56:58 | Z0rbas | lol |
10:57:11 | GodEater | as to what's caused it.... |
10:58:00 | Z0rbas | no html or image files |
10:58:02 | Z0rbas | all gone |
10:59:07 | pixelma | yesterday I wondered why there were no html-zips for everything but the archos targets |
10:59:56 | Z0rbas | damn.. was looking forward to installing rb on my e200 |
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11:00:15 | Z0rbas | I had done it along time ago.. just fedup with freaken sansa fw.. |
11:00:16 | pixelma | no, even more things are missing... someone who is able to should check if e.g. the e200 builds locally |
11:00:21 | AlexP | will do |
11:00:58 | Z0rbas | looks like it needs a restore |
11:01:35 | AlexP | Z0rbas: No, they are built every night |
11:01:42 | JdGordon | Zagor: well, there is knowledgemap on the wiki, but it isnt updated often or used enough |
11:01:59 | gevaerts | Z0rbas: the release manuals at http://www.rockbox.org/download/byhand.cgi are still there. They should be good enough to get you going |
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11:02:24 | Zagor | JdGordon: right, that's a start. |
11:02:24 | AlexP | pixelma: The e200 manual builds fine here |
11:02:34 | gevaerts | only pdf though |
11:04:25 | AlexP | gevaerts: html bseems to build OK here |
11:04:47 | pixelma | could it be gevaerts' www commit? I can't view the change from here but thought I read that he did some changes to add the Packard Bell manual (not sure though) |
11:05:22 | AlexP | pixelma: Both the pdf and html e200 build for me |
11:05:45 | AlexP | the html seems OK - I've only looked at it with links though |
11:05:51 | GodEater | this is an interesting issue with this ipod |
11:05:58 | GodEater | it appears it got stuck in a loop booting |
11:06:00 | gevaerts | pixelma: no. That was only the build server configuration |
11:06:04 | GodEater | and this has deep discharged the battery |
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11:12:46 | Z0rbas | thank yopu |
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11:20:58 | AlexP | pixelma, gevaerts: Both the pdf and html for the e200 build fine and look fine here |
11:21:10 | AlexP | So I guess it must be a build server/website thing |
11:21:27 | AlexP | But unfortunately we don't have the manual build logs |
11:22:00 | gevaerts | could this be a late result of the Big Rename? |
11:22:17 | AlexP | Tis possible I guess |
11:23:15 | AlexP | We need some form of root vegtable to have a look :) |
11:23:52 | gevaerts | AlexP: I think you're confusing things. The ones you look for are capitalised, i.e. Root Vegetables |
11:24:04 | AlexP | ah yes :) |
11:29:12 | pixelma | wasn't there a commit for rbutil recently too? |
11:29:26 | pixelma | regarding the target rename |
11:30:56 | Zagor | the build worked after that. this is something else. I'll look at it after lunch. |
11:35:56 | AlexP | ta |
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12:14:23 | GodEater | my word, this ipod really is ill =/ |
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13:37:40 | GodEater | what's the current version of ipodpatcher? |
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14:20:00 | jjmartin | good job on the FAQ |
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14:35:15 | GodEater | jjmartin: that's something we rarely hear |
14:35:17 | GodEater | :) |
14:38:11 | jjmartin | is there a list of all the software it comes with and option installs? I see there is some stuff listed on the extras page |
14:39:05 | GodEater | it ships with all the plugins we mention on the site, there's no need to download them as extras |
14:39:25 | GodEater | the only thing included in the "extras" pack is new fonts and (I think) the doom shareware wads |
14:39:47 | gevaerts | midi things as well I think |
14:39:50 | GodEater | ah, no, other stuff too I see, but no "software", just data files |
14:40:07 | jjmartin | is there a complete list? |
14:40:27 | GodEater | of what? |
14:40:41 | jjmartin | everything that comes with the install |
14:41:03 | GodEater | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/PluginIndex |
14:41:15 | GodEater | that's all the extra "applications" we ship |
14:41:39 | S_a_i_n_t | though some plugins are target specific aren't they? |
14:41:40 | * | GodEater hopes this is what jjmartin is after |
14:41:50 | Torne | Hm, I should add frotz to the wiki |
14:41:56 | GodEater | you should ;) |
14:42:13 | GodEater | S_a_i_n_t: the plugin page tries to show which targets run what plugins |
14:42:34 | GodEater | although it needs updating again with all the new targets we have :) |
14:42:40 | Torne | yeah i was gonna say that table seems short |
14:42:43 | jjmartin | GodEater, I mean what apps come with a normal install. there the OS, media players and what else? |
14:42:53 | GodEater | jjmartin: that's it, that page lists them |
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14:42:57 | jjmartin | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/FeatureComparison#Other_features |
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14:43:36 | Torne | jjmartin: All of those things come with it |
14:44:12 | Torne | Everything that works on a specific player is in the install for that player |
14:44:15 | GodEater | /me points to the bit at the top of the plugins page which says "Note for Beginners: Plugins come pre-installed when you download Rockbox. You don't download and install them yourself!" |
14:44:25 | jjmartin | 0_0 |
14:44:44 | S_a_i_n_t | subtle :P |
14:44:48 | Torne | Hm, that table is autogenerated |
14:44:59 | Torne | i guess i should copy one of the other plugin pages :) |
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14:45:26 | GodEater | Torne: seems like a sensible idea |
14:45:54 | Torne | hm, is the manual broken? |
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14:45:57 | Torne | ...was that me? |
14:46:00 | GodEater | yes |
14:46:03 | GodEater | no idea |
14:46:09 | GodEater | Zagor was going to look at it I think |
14:46:10 | Torne | the manual is broken for everything except archos |
14:46:13 | GodEater | yes |
14:46:15 | GodEater | we know ;) |
14:46:15 | Torne | frotz builds on everything except archos |
14:46:22 | Torne | this might not be coincidence :) |
14:46:26 | GodEater | it might be |
14:46:28 | Torne | i did build the manual before i committed though :) |
14:46:30 | GodEater | but we've tried manually building it |
14:46:32 | GodEater | and it still works |
14:46:38 | Torne | hrm |
14:46:43 | GodEater | so it might be something else entirely |
14:47:04 | S_a_i_n_t | easier to blame Torne though :P |
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14:48:43 | jjmartin | any suggestions for color screen devices? |
14:50:40 | Torne | most of them? :) |
14:51:11 | GodEater | depends on your requirements |
14:51:28 | jjmartin | podcasts and music copied over from CD's |
14:51:28 | GodEater | I personally think the Gigabeat F is perhaps the best colour screen device |
14:51:39 | GodEater | if you're not after recording and an FM radio that is |
14:51:44 | GodEater | if you are, then it's not ideal |
14:52:29 | jjmartin | does recording require external hardware though? It might be nice some time but all i care about is getting back my podcasts |
14:52:31 | rossy | personally, i'm saving for a cowon d2+ as a colour screen device |
14:52:58 | GodEater | jjmartin: depends on the device, some have built in mics, some don't |
14:53:11 | GodEater | ipods don't for example, but can still record. |
14:53:29 | jjmartin | firmware hack on the phone jack? |
14:53:35 | GodEater | also, how much storage are you after? Is flash better than a hard disk? |
14:53:43 | GodEater | these are all questions we can't answer for you |
14:53:49 | GodEater | so device choice is very personal :) |
14:54:04 | GodEater | and it's why a lot of us have multiple devices |
14:54:36 | jjmartin | lol |
14:55:41 | jjmartin | ok. thanks for the help |
14:55:45 | GodEater | any time |
14:55:52 | GodEater | we're here all week - try the veal |
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15:00:29 | AlexP | Torne: At least the e200 builds just fine, so that isn't the issue |
15:00:36 | AlexP | *manual |
15:02:10 | GodEater | has anyone heard from linuxstb recently? |
15:02:17 | GodEater | !seen linuxstb |
15:02:29 | * | GodEater pokes logbot |
15:02:50 | gevaerts | GodEater: logbot doesn't work that way. He's shy, and you need to ask in private |
15:02:54 | #>> | "seen" used by Zagor (n=bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor) [snoop prevented] |
15:02:59 | GodEater | ah ha |
15:03:04 | GodEater | wow |
15:03:08 | GodEater | he's been away a long time now |
15:03:18 | AlexP | yeah, ages |
15:03:38 | GodEater | what did you say to him AlexP ? |
15:03:43 | GodEater | you've clearly offended him |
15:03:45 | AlexP | hehe :) |
15:04:07 | * | GodEater is still trying to work out if our read/lseek functions are a bit broken |
15:04:31 | GodEater | or work in some magic way |
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15:46:52 | Torne | well, i added a frotz wiki page |
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15:47:13 | Torne | though it's mostly just the manual page copied :) |
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15:53:15 | GodEater | there's nothing wrong with that |
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16:27:42 | at0m | hi, http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/FmPresets has a link to download "global package of fmr-files" which doesn't seem to be a valid link |
16:28:35 | at0m | err, looks like that's an /old/ link =] |
16:31:26 | AlexP | Very likely |
16:31:50 | AlexP | As it is a wiki, I imagine that was last updated anytime someone felt like it :) |
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16:46:28 | Akranis | when compiling tools like mktccboot, is there a make command for this or do I simply compile the source files with gcc? |
16:48:12 | Torne | doesn't it get build when you just do "make" for a target that uses it? |
16:49:30 | Akranis | Hm. I can't even find the source file for it. It was mentioned on the forum though. |
16:50:41 | Torne | ah, it's in utils |
16:50:49 | Torne | so no, it doesn't get built if you just do "make" |
16:50:54 | Torne | trunk/rbutil/mktccboot |
16:51:05 | Torne | there's a Makefile in there, "make" should work. |
16:51:37 | GodEater | Akranis: the "find" command is very useful ;) |
16:52:21 | Akranis | GodEater, I was looking for it in tools :P because in the forum quote it was ../tools/mktccboot |
16:52:40 | GodEater | it may have been there once upon a time |
16:52:43 | GodEater | and got moved |
16:53:59 | Akranis | Hm. it was not built along with the bootloader. Advanced setting perhaps? |
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16:59:33 | GodEater | Akranis: correct, as Torne says you have to go into the mktccboot directory and run make there |
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17:00:19 | Akranis | Alrighty then. |
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17:08:14 | Akranis | Hm. The second tool i tried to compile, tcctool.c, doesn't seem to want to compile though. it says it needs usb.h |
17:08:29 | gevaerts | it needs libusb |
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17:20:22 | AlexP | That sounds suspiciously like linux :) Which Rockbox isn't! :) |
17:20:55 | GodEater | yeah, we just panic |
17:20:58 | GodEater | we don't kernel panic |
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17:32:27 | Beltz | Are 16 gb microSD (hc?) cards supposed to work as USB reconized hard drives when I plug my Sansa E280 to my computer? |
17:33:02 | Beltz | I know I can now use my microSD cards in my Sansa when plugging it directly, but when I switched from an 8 gb to 16gb card, it couldn't write properly... |
17:33:14 | Beltz | So I am wondering if the card is a dud, or if there is a compatibility problem |
17:35:11 | Akranis | Well the iAudio7 memory is still only readonly, so I think that's what caused the panic. |
17:35:27 | Akranis | *flash |
17:35:54 | Beltz | (was that for me?) |
17:36:08 | Akranis | No that was for my error :P |
17:37:53 | gevaerts | Beltz: they should work. Do you have another card reader that supports sdhc you could try? |
17:40:23 | Beltz | Nah, they are standard SD readers |
17:40:34 | evilnick | Beltz: Just to check, are you using them whilst running Rockbox? SDHC will not work on the OF. |
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17:40:49 | Beltz | I have an SDHC thing I put my microSD in but the USB drive to the computer is old |
17:41:05 | Beltz | evilnick: yes, with Rockbox firware |
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17:41:38 | Beltz | I connect to my computer and the rockbox thing shows an USB cable, and both my internal memory and microSD appear as drives |
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17:42:10 | Beltz | But when I copy 6-7 gigs to the 16 gig card, most of the files don't appear and cause errors. Also usually when I transfer that many files, the drive becomes unreconized midway through the process... |
17:42:36 | evilnick | Beltz: Run chkdsk or equivalent |
17:42:43 | Beltz | In other words, windows 7 detects it as a drive, lets me copy files... but 30 minutes later, if I click on the drive it gives some error |
17:42:48 | Torne | Has this card ever worked properly in any reader? |
17:42:54 | Beltz | evilnick: I formatted it a few times... I did quick formats though |
17:42:55 | Torne | Because that sounds suspiciously like it might be a fake card |
17:42:59 | Beltz | Torne: no, just got it on ebay :( |
17:43:10 | Torne | Then it's almost certainly fake |
17:43:10 | Beltz | It's brand less too |
17:43:13 | Torne | It's fake. |
17:43:14 | * | Beltz feels like a dummy now |
17:43:22 | Beltz | They make fake cards? But but... it's a power seller! :P |
17:43:23 | Torne | It'll be some capacity much lower than it's labelled as |
17:43:35 | Torne | such that it works fine until you put more than a few files on it |
17:43:35 | Beltz | It's just corrupted - it's useless as it is... |
17:43:38 | Beltz | Ah |
17:44:03 | Beltz | Got it for 30$... too good to be true :) |
17:44:09 | Torne | if you run some bad-block checker which writes to the card on it, this will probably confirm it |
17:44:19 | Torne | badblocks -w in something unixlike |
17:44:26 | Torne | chkdsk doesn't have a write-mode badblocks test, alas |
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17:44:30 | Beltz | ah |
17:44:43 | Beltz | Probably too much hassle to load a virtual machine with ubuntu to test this |
17:44:49 | Beltz | I'll just ask for a refund, see what happens... |
17:44:56 | Beltz | Thanks for the help guys |
17:44:57 | Torne | If it's from ebay and unlabelled then 99% chance it's fake, so yeah |
17:44:59 | Torne | sorry :) |
17:45:09 | Torne | don't buy flash media on ebay |
17:45:17 | Beltz | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200419701801 |
17:45:19 | Torne | he will probably refund you though |
17:45:26 | Torne | with some lame excuse |
17:45:28 | Beltz | I got a great deal on my 8 gb microSD last year |
17:45:33 | Torne | Sure, not everyone is fake |
17:45:38 | Torne | but it's a market for lemons |
17:45:46 | Torne | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Market_for_Lemons <- see |
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17:59:58 | Akranis | Good news and bad news. I no longer get the panic message, but it doesn't seem to want to load my bootloader anymore. It skips into the FO instead. |
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18:09:11 | Akranis | Ok, it boots from usb, but it loads the FO instead of rockbox. Is there someway to force it to load rockbox? |
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18:23:03 | Akranis | Ah, finaly figured out the magical combination. I need to hold down MENU while plugging it in, and HOLD while flashing :> Now I'm back at the panic. "Max NAND write chaches readhed" |
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18:32:12 | Akranis | oh wait, I misread it because it continued outside the screen. I think the error reads "Max NAND write cache reached" |
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19:34:28 | AlexP | So chaps, freeze? Anything last minute before that? :) |
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19:40:33 | bertrik | I think a freeze is fine now, I'm not aware of anything really urgent that would have to delay the freeze |
19:41:06 | AlexP | If we are going to I'd just like to get on with it :) |
19:43:37 | * | gevaerts promotes AlexP to the role of Official Rockbox Release Manager |
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19:51:39 | AlexP | gevaerts: Hehe :) |
19:52:00 | * | pixelma calls the RSB |
19:52:00 | AlexP | gevaerts: Does that mean I get to tell you to do stuff? :P |
19:52:35 | gevaerts | pixelma: yes? |
19:53:09 | * | gevaerts admits to only being 20% of the RSB though |
19:53:29 | AlexP | but what a 20%! |
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19:59:47 | JdGordon| | I can still commit a patch if its worded to fix a bug right? |
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20:00:44 | AlexP | It would be better if it were to actually fix a bug, and didn't just say it was to :) |
20:00:47 | gevaerts | JdGordon|: not if you warn us about your plans |
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20:01:15 | JdGordon| | fortuanrtly you have no idea which of my "fixes" isnt really :) |
20:01:38 | AlexP | I don't, no - but I suspect others do :) |
20:02:16 | * | gevaerts will now read commits from certain unnamed people very carefully ;) |
20:02:37 | JdGordon| | oh good, thanks to the naming policy, I'm still safe |
20:02:44 | AlexP | haha :) |
20:03:24 | * | gevaerts makes further plans, but he won't advertise those |
20:08:38 | JdGordon| | right, are we giong to release test builds as soon as we freeze? |
20:09:05 | pamaury | gevaerts: is the notion of 'short packet' defined in the USB spec or is it Linux specific ? I'm having problems with that. I have a hack but it's not satisfactory |
20:09:08 | JdGordon| | even though obviously there will be no different than the nightly |
20:09:22 | gevaerts | JdGordon|: no point really. I'd start with RC builds when we branch |
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20:09:36 | gevaerts | We could do some RC builds before that to practice a bit though |
20:09:53 | gevaerts | or do you expect more testers if we call them RC? |
20:12:25 | * | domonoky would expect more testers, if we call them RC and advertise them on the frontpage :-) |
20:13:02 | gevaerts | that's probably a good enough reason to do them |
20:14:49 | Curtman | I've been checking in periodically on this project for a few years now.. I've got a mini2440 here that I'm hoping to get Rockbox working on. Does anyone know how much of the work the lyre project did on the mini made it back into rockbox proper? |
20:16:16 | JdGordon| | all of it is in svn i believe |
20:16:50 | bertrik | pamaury, AFAIK it's not Linux specific |
20:17:29 | gevaerts | pamaury: short packets are in the USB spec |
20:17:50 | gevaerts | They're what you get if you don't have an integer number of packets |
20:18:42 | Curtman | JdGordon, It looks like it, yeah.. It's hard to wander into documentation for a port that has been merged back in.. :) Their docs mention some OpenOCD scripts in their svn, but all that seems to be in there now is hardware designs for extra functionality of the mini.. Does rockbox source tree have a place that they might have been moved to? |
20:20:49 | JdGordon| | those openocd scripts havnt been moved across I think |
20:21:37 | Curtman | Okay,, I'll keep searching for them, or make my own.. Thanks |
20:23:25 | Curtman | It seems as though the Gentoo crossdev script hates me anyway, so it will be a while before OpenOCD is an issue. :( |
20:23:27 | pamaury | bertrik, gevaerts: my problem is the following. The vhci driver gives me linux URB which are NOT usb packet. A URB can require several packets to complete. So a problem arises when I have an URB and a send buffer which is not big enough to fill the URB. I have two choice: complete the URB or wait for another send to continue buffer filling. Now, it becomes tricky because some URB have a SHORT_NOT_OK flags telling that short pac |
20:23:27 | pamaury | kets are not ok. But here is problem: Linux sends me an URB for SCSI mode sense 10 which length=192 and rockbox responds with 12 bytes...and this packet as SHORT_NOT_OK flags ! |
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20:25:13 | TheSeven | pamaury: how is that handled on real hardware? |
20:25:48 | gevaerts | pamaury: if you want to compile rockbox, we really recommend using a build environment built using our scripts |
20:26:11 | gevaerts | Curtman: if you want to compile rockbox, we really recommend using a build environment built using our scripts |
20:26:20 | * | gevaerts wonders what happened there |
20:26:57 | pamaury | Hardware doesn't have this flag. It deals only with packets. So on normal hardware, I guess the hcd driver sees this 12 bytes asnwers and the 192 URB with SHORT_NOT_OK. So it's should normally report an error but that would be strange |
20:27:19 | gevaerts | 192 is already a short packet in high speed |
20:27:26 | pamaury | Yes that's my point |
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20:27:47 | bertrik | pamaury, for which stage of the BOT protocol does this happen? |
20:27:57 | pamaury | BOT ? |
20:28:04 | TheSeven | gevaerts: short packet = packet where the device did transfer less data than the host did expect? I don't think this is related to the maximum transfer size |
20:28:04 | Curtman | gevaerts, Okay. |
20:28:31 | TheSeven | pamaury: USB Mass Storage Bulk-Only Transport |
20:29:14 | bertrik | TheSeven, no I think it IS related to the maximum packet size |
20:29:33 | pamaury | AFAIK, this happend only for the MODE SENSE(10) command |
20:29:39 | TheSeven | ah, wait, I meant "short transfer", not "short packet" |
20:29:57 | TheSeven | but i guess this is what SHORT_NOT_OK refers to |
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20:30:40 | TheSeven | i.e. smaller than the host expected, not smaller than the maximum allowed packet size at the given speed |
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20:31:17 | pamaury | Even with that, I should report an error which is strange |
20:31:28 | pamaury | because 12<192 and Rockbox sends 12 bytes |
20:31:31 | TheSeven | yes, and that's why I asked that question |
20:31:46 | TheSeven | I would suggest doing a wireshark trace of that situation on real hardware |
20:32:08 | pamaury | I think you're right |
20:32:32 | pamaury | Hardware tells the truth ;) |
20:33:14 | gevaerts | does it actually cause problems? |
20:34:26 | bertrik | can the host know the length of the mode sense response in advance? |
20:34:55 | gevaerts | no |
20:35:03 | bertrik | I can imagine that it just sends a rather big expected size if it doesn't, but then I wouldn't expect SHORT_NOT_OK |
20:35:39 | pamaury | gevaerts: the strangest thing is that if I complete the URB with only 12 bytes, it works ! But perhaps the SHORT_NOT_OK flags is not enforced by the vhci |
20:36:20 | bertrik | ok, problem solved !? |
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20:37:31 | gevaerts | pamaury: from what I can find, this is indeed not a problem |
20:38:02 | pamaury | I find it weird to have something working but not understanding why it works. |
20:39:10 | domonoky | Curtman: the openocd scripts are still in the lyre hg repository. |
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20:39:32 | pamaury | Indeed, it's not a *pratical* problem because then everything works (for the read part of UMS ;)) but there is something strange I would like to understand. I've send a mail to the vhci's author. Perhaps he will be able to explain me ! |
20:40:01 | gevaerts | pamaury: in linux/drivers/usb/storage/transport.c, EREMOTEIO (which is what you get for short packets with SHORT_NOT_OK) gets interpreted as USB_STOR_XFER_SHORT |
20:41:29 | gevaerts | some random web results seem to indicate that the SHORT_NOT_OK thing is because of historical reasons |
20:41:35 | JdGordon| | domonoky: do you know if the geeneral area of the SD speed bug on the mini2440 is known? |
20:41:51 | AlexP | Hmmm, USB HID stops my laptop booting |
20:42:18 | AlexP | If HID is enabled and the S plugged in, when I boot it gets stuck on POST just before detecting the hard drive |
20:42:25 | AlexP | With HID not enabled, it boots fine |
20:42:31 | pixelma | someone else reported that too during the weekend |
20:42:56 | AlexP | yeah - I was really confused why my laptop wouldn't boot, then I realised the beast was plugged in |
20:43:08 | AlexP | so then did some tests, and sure enough |
20:44:10 | domonoky | JdGordon|: for one, i think at least a part of those mci_delays can be removed, this gives a good speed-up |
20:44:10 | Akranis | My computer does the same but with the iRiver clix 2 |
20:45:13 | Curtman | domonoky, Okay, that explains why I couldn't find them in the svn repository. ;) |
20:45:24 | domonoky | i think only the last delay call in send_cmd() and those on the init call have to stay. |
20:47:16 | JdGordon| | ok |
20:47:30 | JdGordon| | its hardly usable in the current state :/ |
20:48:51 | domonoky | Curtman: see here: http://lyre.hg.sourceforge.net/hgweb/lyre/lyre/file/82c6066e529e/ |
20:49:20 | domonoky | JdGordon|: yes, it still has many issues.. but the basics works. |
20:51:10 | domonoky | JdGordon|: and regarding the lyre keypad, i think it should just work, they connect to the same pins as the buttons on board if you use the button connector of the mini. |
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20:51:32 | domonoky | i think the keymaps also makes use of the then possible two additional buttons. |
20:52:17 | JdGordon| | ah ok, I think his keypad uses the GPIO's |
20:52:35 | JdGordon| | I'll try to find a plug that will fit that connector |
20:53:08 | domonoky | they all use GPIOs, it just that this connector uses the same GPIOs as the onboard buttons :-) |
20:53:24 | domonoky | or do you mean the GPIO extension connector ? |
20:54:19 | domonoky | but even if you connect your buttons to other gpios it should be easy to adapt the code. |
20:57:14 | JdGordon| | yeah, the gpio extension conenctor thingy (31 pins or whatver it is) |
20:57:41 | JdGordon| | or are those shared also with the onboard buttons? |
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21:02:43 | geertvdijk | hello all |
21:03:46 | geertvdijk | just a quick question before I file a bug report, I just updated again to the newest revision of rockbox, and it doesn't keep the database, just dropping by to check if I'm doing something wrong |
21:03:50 | domonoky | JdGordon|: i am not sure. you have to check the schematic for this... this cpu has many many gpios. |
21:04:35 | domonoky | geertvdijk: what do you mean with "it doesnt keep the database" ? |
21:05:22 | CIA-44 | New commit by tomers (r24285): Fractals: No need to have globals under ctx struct |
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21:13:03 | Horscht | regarding my issue yesterday: on a rebuffer, the currently playing song pauses for a second on my Ipod Video 80GB. The issue appears about 2 second after the disc starts spinning. Increasing the antiskip buffer from 5s to 15s does not have any effect |
21:13:08 | kugel | did we freeze now? |
21:13:29 | AlexP | kugel: Not quite :) |
21:13:37 | AlexP | But it is imminent! |
21:13:56 | JdGordon| | it mostly just needs someone to put a note on the front page and send another email? |
21:14:01 | Horscht | SVN r24281 |
21:14:27 | kugel | so freezy already :( |
21:14:39 | AlexP | OK |
21:15:00 | kugel | rasher: can you send a call for translators mail? |
21:15:21 | Topic | "Now in freeze for upcoming 3.5! | Please read before speaking: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IrcGuidelines | Please direct offtopic/social chat to #rockbox-community | This channel is logged at http://www.rockbox.org/irc" by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
21:15:37 | AlexP | now the mail... |
21:15:42 | JdGordon| | NNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo................ |
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21:16:52 | n1s | yes! |
21:17:59 | tomers | Hey, can I still work on my fractal stuff? I have some more nifty small features I would like to add today |
21:18:35 | tomers | I mean, commit... I can always work on that :-) |
21:18:37 | AlexP | one week until branch, then another until release right? |
21:18:52 | gevaerts | AlexP: that's what I think we should do, yes |
21:18:58 | AlexP | Then it is so :) |
21:20:15 | rasher | kugel: I can. Unfortunately my web translator thing is broken. |
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21:36:17 | tomers | Does manuals compile? I can't compile the D2's manual |
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21:42:51 | AlexP | the D2 doesn't, no |
21:43:44 | tomers | AlexP: Does somebody handle this? |
21:43:54 | AlexP | Yes, anybody could |
21:44:01 | kugel | tomers: we would like to see only bug fix commits |
21:44:15 | AlexP | tomers: It looks a fairly obvious error, I'll do so in a minute |
21:44:28 | * | tomers One day late with adding color change support to the fractals plugin :-( |
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21:45:10 | tomers | AlexP: Thanks. It doesn't look that obvious to me... |
21:45:33 | bertrik | I'm seeing only a few actual manuals on the manuals web page |
21:45:44 | AlexP | bertrik: That is a different issue |
21:45:53 | AlexP | bertrik: i.e. e200 builds fine, but isn't there |
21:46:51 | JdGordon| | tomers: in the past we've been more lenient with plugins |
21:47:40 | kugel | really? |
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21:50:33 | AlexP | tomers: What button does the D2 use to charge from USB not go to mass storage when you plug USB? |
21:51:47 | pixelma | if it's like the other Iaudios there isn't such a button but of course, it's a different target |
21:52:18 | AlexP | HAVE_USB_POWER is defined for it, so I assume it does |
21:52:31 | tomers | AlexP: It doesn't USB at all. It doesn't detect USB. Therefore I _think_ it doesn't have a USB power button |
21:52:52 | AlexP | so why is HAVE_USB_POWER defined for it? |
21:53:05 | AlexP | in the config file |
21:53:13 | tomers | What exactly is HAVE_USB_PORT (I can't remember). Is it the detection of USB insertion? |
21:53:32 | gevaerts | HAVE_USB_PORT? |
21:53:38 | AlexP | Where is that from? |
21:53:45 | * | JdGordon| thinks that adding that playlist viewer opened up some pretty interesting options for the rest of the code |
21:53:45 | pixelma | POWER I guess |
21:53:47 | tomers | I don't think it charges while in USB (with Rockbox running) |
21:54:08 | gevaerts | then it shouldn't have HAVE_USB_POWER |
21:54:17 | tomers | s/HAVE_USB_PORT/HAVE_USB_POWER/ oops |
21:54:21 | * | gevaerts isn't sure... |
21:54:36 | AlexP | the manual fails as HAVE_USB_POWER is defined, but there is no \ActionStdUsbCharge button defined |
21:55:07 | AlexP | Either it doesn't do USB charging, or it should have a button to let you charge, not do mass storage |
21:55:21 | gevaerts | AlexP: it should be BUTTON_MENU |
21:55:28 | AlexP | for the D2? |
21:55:30 | gevaerts | yes |
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21:55:38 | AlexP | OK, I'll stick that in |
21:55:39 | gevaerts | see firmware/export/usb.h |
21:55:49 | AlexP | I know *nothing* about this port :) |
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21:56:43 | pixelma | gevaerts: don't you have a D2 too? |
21:56:49 | tomers | geaverts: I have this player. If I insert USB, then nothing happens and it doesn't even charge. What will happen if I press MENU while connecting? I guess this code is just the foundation for future USB support. Now sure it should go in the manual |
21:57:10 | JdGordon| | how does http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=23619.msg161016#msg161016 sound? |
21:57:15 | gevaerts | pixelma: I do, yes |
21:57:18 | * | gevaerts will check |
21:57:56 | AlexP | gevaerts: Let me know then I'll commit this :) |
21:58:29 | pixelma | well, if it is like tomers describes, there won't be a difference |
21:58:40 | AlexP | hmmm? |
21:59:07 | AlexP | Oh, I missed what he sai |
21:59:08 | AlexP | d |
21:59:14 | pixelma | if nothing happens (Rockbox keeps running as I understand it) |
21:59:29 | AlexP | well, I could nopt the D2 |
21:59:39 | AlexP | But commit the button, if that is in the code |
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22:00:02 | AlexP | As currently the manual will be wrong, as this part of it is opt'ed on HAVE_USB_POWER |
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22:00:47 | gevaerts | it at least detects that there's power |
22:02:04 | * | gevaerts lets his D2 sit for a while to give battery voltage a chance to stabilise |
22:02:47 | tomers | I will check it too - to verify what I just said |
22:04:46 | gevaerts | I actually suspect that we should activate the USB stack on the D2 |
22:04:51 | gevaerts | i.e. HAVE_USBSTACK |
22:04:53 | tomers | When I connect the D2, a small USB icon shows at the top |
22:04:57 | gevaerts | That would make these things behave |
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22:05:16 | tomers | but it still works as usual, playing music etc. |
22:05:54 | tomers | If I press MENU, then it has exactly the same behavior |
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22:06:13 | gevaerts | yes, that's because HAVE_USBSTACK is not enabled |
22:06:21 | AlexP | gevaerts: So far as the manual goes, I'll commit the button define fix - but do you want me to nopt out the section talking about charging until the stack is enabled? |
22:06:55 | gevaerts | AlexP: the D2 is unstable, which means there are issues. We didn't say anywhere that that didn't include manual issues :) |
22:07:18 | AlexP | sure, but I could "fix" this for now (for a certain level of fix) |
22:07:48 | gevaerts | then we have to remember to unfix it again later |
22:07:54 | AlexP | yep |
22:07:58 | tomers | gevaerts: What adding HAVE_USBSTACK will change? We don't have USE_ROCKBOX_USB... So what will it do? |
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22:08:10 | AlexP | this us a downside |
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22:08:25 | gevaerts | tomers: it should enable the go-to-OF logic |
22:08:35 | * | tomers thought so |
22:08:57 | tomers | I actually like the idea of doing so, because it's quite annoying the way it is now |
22:09:19 | tomers | If you plug USB, you want to charge & access files, so that's the right way to go, TMHO |
22:09:30 | AlexP | gevaerts: Are you going to pop that in? |
22:10:34 | * | gevaerts tests first :) |
22:10:42 | AlexP | coward! |
22:10:53 | gevaerts | I don't want red or yellow! |
22:11:07 | gevaerts | there's no chance of releasing the D2, right? |
22:11:07 | tomers | Is it considered a new feature ;-) ? |
22:11:18 | gevaerts | tomers: not a release target |
22:11:43 | Stephen__ | can this be done for x5 ? |
22:11:53 | gevaerts | "this" being? |
22:12:00 | tomers | But it's in a pretty good shape - it have rbutil support, manual... |
22:12:25 | tomers | gevaerts: Setting HAVE_USBSTACK |
22:13:24 | tomers | AlexP: But what about all other manuals? Do you know why they fail? |
22:13:29 | AlexP | They don't |
22:13:32 | gevaerts | the x5 uses a hardware usb-ata bridge |
22:13:55 | tomers | AlexP: Oh, right... This issue was already discussed today. It's a server issue |
22:13:57 | Stephen__ | so cant use the charge in rockbox at all ? |
22:14:01 | AlexP | tomers: There is something up with the building/getting them onto the site, but they build fine (or at least some, I haven't tested them all) |
22:14:42 | tomers | AlexP: The dead 'online' links in the manual page are something that should be fixed. If there's no manual, the link shouldn't appear there |
22:15:00 | AlexP | The bigger issue is that the manuals should be there |
22:15:59 | tomers | I need to add some key mapping for the fractals plugin. I could have used the manuals to understand what buttons to use for each target. Too bad they're gone now. I'm not going to compile it all. |
22:16:12 | AlexP | the release manuals are still there |
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22:16:20 | gevaerts | Stephen__: being able to charge is unrelated to what we're discussing |
22:16:47 | Stephen__ | right, i was just wondering if it was possible in the x5 |
22:16:49 | tomers | oh, there's manual/rockbox_interface/images/ |
22:16:59 | AlexP | also, the release manuals |
22:17:52 | CIA-44 | New commit by gevaerts (r24286): Make the tcc usb driver compile without warnings. No functional changes |
22:17:54 | geertvdijk | sorry for dropping out like that, phone went and it was some bad news |
22:18:05 | gevaerts | Stephen__: I'm still not entirely understanding what *exactly* you mean |
22:18:44 | gevaerts | AlexP: see why testing was needed? :) |
22:18:50 | AlexP | :) |
22:18:53 | geertvdijk | anyway, Domonoky: at fresh boot it asks me if I want to initiate the database as there isn't anything there, I say 'yeah, do that', reboot, and can use the database. after another reboot it's gone again |
22:19:08 | gevaerts | geertvdijk: reboot how? |
22:19:19 | Stephen__ | when you plug in the usb into x5 it'll go to usb screen and charge a bit, i want to have the option where you can press a button and charge while still use rockbox like most other targets, e200 for example |
22:19:21 | geertvdijk | holding down off and powering on again |
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22:19:47 | tomers | gevaerts: How far are we from having USE_ROCKBOX_USB for the D2 (assumes nothing is implemented yet). Do we have a datasheet?> |
22:20:30 | gevaerts | Stephen__: I'm not sure why that isn't there. I thought it would be... |
22:20:38 | gevaerts | geertvdijk: is the filesystem clean? |
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22:20:48 | Stephen__ | nope. its one of the few targets that doesnt |
22:20:53 | gevaerts | tomers: te driver somewhat works, but it's quite buggy |
22:20:55 | Stephen__ | all my other targets have it |
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22:21:25 | CIA-44 | New commit by alex (r24287): Add key define to the D2 manual to allow it to build. |
22:22:19 | geertvdijk | gevaerts: AFAIK it is, it was working painlessly with an older revision (240xx or 241xx) |
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22:24:13 | pixelma | gevaerts: no, it isn't on the Iaudios, no-one did the work on powermanagement |
22:25:40 | tomers | gevaerts: are you about to set HAVE_USBSTACK on D2 now? |
22:25:52 | gevaerts | tomers: I'm testing that first |
22:26:13 | tomers | great |
22:26:29 | gevaerts | hm |
22:26:35 | gevaerts | it does *something* |
22:27:01 | * | gevaerts suspects that poweroff on usb plugin is not what people want |
22:29:16 | gevaerts | apparently the rockbox code doesn't know how to reboot, and if you power the player off while plugged in you have to unplug it before you can power it on again |
22:30:01 | tomers | gevaerts: I guess it's a target specific bug, isn't it? |
22:30:29 | gevaerts | well yes, I'm talking specifically about the d2 |
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22:31:33 | tomers | Do we have some sort of datasheet for it (couldn't find it anywhere) or did all the code we got is from reverse engineering the OF? |
22:31:37 | gevaerts | ah, /* TODO: implement reboot (eg. jump to boot ROM?) */ |
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22:35:19 | geertvdijk | gevaerts: is there any way I can verify if the FS is still clean? or should I just put an older revision on there and see what it does? |
22:35:29 | gevaerts | geertvdijk: fsck or chkdsk |
22:35:41 | geertvdijk | ah, okay, could've known that |
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22:38:00 | geertvdijk | it did find some issues which I had fixed, rebooting rockbox now |
22:39:00 | geertvdijk | loaded DB, rebooting again |
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22:39:58 | geertvdijk | gevaerts: DB works like usually, and stays there even after another (couple of) reboots. odd timing of fs breakage then. thanks! |
22:40:23 | gevaerts | geertvdijk: that happens quite often for people :) |
22:40:29 | gevaerts | strange behaviour -> first check the fs |
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22:40:52 | geertvdijk | gevaerts: first time for me though, and I get the newest revision quite often :) though I did restructure all the files and folders half a day ago |
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22:41:11 | geertvdijk | it's not a sign of my sansa internal storage starting to die though is it? |
22:41:47 | gevaerts | I wouldn't expect that, no |
22:45:10 | Horscht | regarding my issue yesterday: on a rebuffer, the currently playing song pauses for a second on my Ipod Video 80GB. The issue appears about 2 second after the disc starts spinning. Increasing the antiskip buffer from 5s to 15s does not have any effect. This has been since mid-november/starting december and also occurs on SVN r24281. |
22:45:16 | Horscht | should I make a flyspray about it? |
22:46:49 | gevaerts | Horscht: if that happens with official builds, we definitely want a bug report, yes |
22:47:43 | Horscht | kk |
22:47:51 | * | Horscht goes flyspraying then |
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23:01:50 | Horscht | flysprayed |
23:01:54 | kugel | Horscht: did it have an effect on the watermark value at least? |
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23:03:02 | Horscht | that I didn't check, but I realy don't think it's an "emtpy buffer issue" |
23:03:14 | Horscht | i can check, though |
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23:07:33 | CIA-44 | New commit by kugel (r24289): Fix FS #10867 and a few more potential issues by imitate target scrollwheel behavior more (although that behavior is suboptimal imo). Also, default for ... |
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23:11:41 | Horscht | kugel, well yes. watermark was 192000 before, now its 720000 |
23:12:34 | kugel | I assume raising it more doesn't help as well? |
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23:12:48 | kugel | it appears to be a lower level issue then |
23:13:28 | Horscht | nope |
23:13:36 | kugel | you could observe the buffering debug screen. it should start rebuffering as soon as the lowest of the 3 bars goes below the watermark value |
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23:14:55 | kugel | JdGordon|: there appears to be an issue with toggle_theme() |
23:15:08 | darkham | sansa video issues will be improved in the next 3.5? |
23:15:35 | kugel | backdrop changing should also force clearing the 4 edges |
23:15:44 | kugel | darkham: they're fixed |
23:15:50 | JdGordon| | toggle_theme doesnt touch the backdrop yet? |
23:15:57 | JdGordon| | or you're working on that? |
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23:16:13 | darkham | kugel, by when? |
23:16:14 | darkham | :) |
23:16:24 | kugel | no, I'm working on fixing dead parts of the main backdrop in the wps |
23:16:55 | kugel | darkham: a few weeks ago |
23:17:20 | JdGordon| | kugel: that happens when you have a sbs enabled in the wps? and a backdrop specified in the wps? |
23:17:35 | JdGordon| | sbs/ui viewport |
23:17:48 | kugel | I think so, yes |
23:17:50 | * | JdGordon| menitons something about them being redundant duplication |
23:17:56 | JdGordon| | yeah, umm |
23:18:19 | JdGordon| | simple fix is to clear the full screen on entering the wps |
23:18:22 | JdGordon| | not so nice thoughg |
23:18:54 | gevaerts | JdGordon|: as opposed to non-redundant duplication? |
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23:19:22 | JdGordon| | yes |
23:20:26 | kugel | there's no redundant duplication |
23:20:35 | darkham | kugel, later the r23893-091207 ? |
23:20:48 | kugel | it's fixed, man |
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23:22:23 | darkham | kugel, this is the version i have, and i've video issues in fuze, when i scroll menus and i play bubbles |
23:23:15 | darkham | but some in many time |
23:23:24 | kugel | so the fix happened in the 300 commits in between |
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23:26:10 | kugel | JdGordon: I think clearing is good enough |
23:26:15 | kugel | for now anyway |
23:26:38 | JdGordon| | in all honesty I'd rather that bug stayed around.. more incentive to actually fix it |
23:26:50 | JdGordon| | I really don't like putting these temp fixes in |
23:27:33 | kugel | ok, I'll have a look if I can combine this with the plugins problem and fix it within the viewportmanager |
23:28:12 | JdGordon| | plugins problem? |
23:28:41 | kugel | sbs and plugin menus |
23:28:54 | JdGordon| | ah yes, should be all doable together |
23:29:00 | JdGordon| | its the same issue after all |
23:29:11 | JdGordon| | wait, actually.. no its not |
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23:29:40 | JdGordon| | if the wps isnt useing the full screen, there is a good argument for not allowing it to show a different backdrop |
23:29:42 | kugel | what I would also like to see to go away is the minor flicker when toggle theme clears the edges |
23:30:20 | kugel | except that having a different wps backdrop is an awesome feature |
23:30:35 | JdGordon| | hardly awesome |
23:30:50 | JdGordon| | the playlist viewer is awesome :) |
23:30:50 | kugel | and it was fullscreen for ages, but you insisted on changing it |
23:30:53 | JdGordon| | %X isnt! |
23:31:09 | JdGordon| | what did I insist on changing? |
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23:32:04 | kugel | having the wps default viewport follow the ui default, instead of being fullscreen |
23:32:53 | JdGordon| | yes, and I stand by that change |
23:33:09 | * | JdGordon| thinks the whole themeing system is still too convoluted |
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23:35:44 | JdGordon| | overall I still think it will be simpler and more undertsandable if the only way to theme is through a .sbs and a .wps |
23:37:15 | JdGordon| | being able to move either of them (and backdrops) around really doesnt make much sense |
23:37:33 | JdGordon| | the whole thing should be themed so everything works together |
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23:38:43 | JdGordon| | but anyway, having a different backdrop does make sense in the wps, unless a sbs is loaded and is not disabled in the wps |
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23:41:32 | b1uebrother | kugel: you spotted the red? |
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23:42:06 | kugel | b1uebrother: uh no, thanks |
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23:47:51 | kugel | JdGordon|: I don't see how the sbs plays into that |
23:48:19 | JdGordon| | "that" weing which part exactly? |
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23:50:32 | kugel | wps backdrop |
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23:51:40 | JdGordon| | it's a bit of a strecth to see now because the sbs doesnt load a backdrop. BUT |
23:51:55 | JdGordon| | if you have a main backdrop loaded, it works with the sbs right? |
23:52:03 | JdGordon| | (if you use sbs or ui viewport) |
23:52:18 | kugel | uhm yes (?) |
23:52:36 | JdGordon| | and if your wps doesnt use full screen it works with the sbs also |
23:52:51 | JdGordon| | therefore, it shuold work with the sbs/main backdrop |
23:54:13 | kugel | the sbs also works with the wps backdrop |
23:54:21 | JdGordon| | indeed |
23:54:26 | kugel | the sbs isn't tied to any backdrop |
23:54:40 | JdGordon| | which is why I said it was a slight strecth at the start |
23:54:51 | JdGordon| | but I want to change that, because it does actually limit the backdrop |
23:55:24 | JdGordon| | the sbs *is* tied to a backdrop, whichever is being displayed, which isnt well defined to the users |
23:56:18 | JdGordon| | (I only keep pushing this because I really feel the current system is broken) |
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23:57:06 | CIA-44 | New commit by kugel (r24291): Fix red, moved around a bit to much. |
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23:58:36 | kugel | it would probably be nice if the backdrop(s) is skin_buffer'fied even if that means loading backdrops is only possible through skin files |