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#rockbox log for 2010-01-20

00:00:26kugelbut I think other skinned screens should be able to override the sbs backdrop then, otherwise I would need to reimplement the sbs in every skin just because I want a different backdrop in each
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00:02:09CIA-44New commit by 03bluebrother (r24292): Add standard Rockbox header and license text.
00:06:50JdGordon|kugel: yes, no question the backdrop should be linked to the skin on the buffer, i disagree with the 2nd bit though
00:07:34JdGordon|if you need to reimplement the sbs on each screen because of the backdrop, then maybe the theme isnt really a single theme but multi skins which happen to look good
00:07:58kugelthe skin buffer will be too small then
00:08:17JdGordon|it would grow
00:08:35kugelno idea why you want to lock out the sbs from the wps
00:08:42JdGordon|instead of statically allocating it outside the buffer, statically allocate it in the buffer
00:08:47JdGordon|im not
00:09:05kugelhow would it work then?
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00:09:47JdGordon|have you got an example (even a made up one) which needs no work in the sbs to work with the wps backdrop, but the wps *needs* a different backdrop?
00:10:04kugeldepends on what you mean by needs
00:10:29kugelif need=it makes it look nicer, then look at my azure whisper theme
00:10:50kugeland the current skin buffer would be to small to reimplement the sbs in the wps
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00:11:40kugelwhat speaks against the wps overriding the sbs backdrop?
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00:13:20JdGordon|kugel: link to that theme? (or which target)
00:13:30kugelhttp://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?themeid=264&target=sansafuze
00:14:23JdGordon|the only difference is the colour?
00:14:28kugelyea
00:15:06JdGordon|hardly required
00:15:24JdGordon|but fair enough
00:15:50kugelwell, theming is all about looking nice and eye candy, not about being required
00:16:07JdGordon|ok, so maybe not outright refuse to load a backdrop if the sbs has one
00:16:22JdGordon|but the clearing shouldnt be needed in that case
00:16:46CIA-44New commit by 03bluebrother (r24293): Make Rockbox Utility build again and make some strings translatable. Break some long lines.
00:16:55kugelwell, if the wps uses the %Vi (or ui vp) it will be somehow required
00:17:26*kugel has now idea how to integrate the backdrop thing nicely into the viewportmanager
00:17:49kugelexcept duplicating the .enabled logic 1:1
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00:21:23JdGordon|I last looked at this a while ago, but I tihnk I remember the harder problem is loading the backdrop into the skin buffer.. I dont remember needing to dupe any logic
00:21:28JdGordon|it should just slide in
00:22:02JdGordon|Or we accept the patch which links backdrops with viewports
00:22:04kugelI'm not after changing it to the skin buffer right now
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00:24:15JdGordon|(going from memory)
00:24:45CIA-44New commit by 03bluebrother (r24294): Add new translations to resources. Sort files in resource.
00:24:54JdGordon|my change was have the backdrop function just accept a fb_data pointer for the backdrop, if the theme is disabled use NULL for it, if the theme is enabled pass it in from X
00:25:23JdGordon|hmm, that will get messy if bnoth the wps and sbs have %X though
00:25:26kugel"the backdrop function"?
00:26:24JdGordon|backdrop.c
00:26:32JdGordon|I stripped it down to almost nothing
00:28:15kugelI want to fix those two issues without redoing the whole system
00:28:26JdGordon|wimp :D
00:29:27kugeland I want them fixed for the release (and for myself)
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00:32:09JdGordon|in that case I'd say get the patch ready and wait for the branch and put it in there
00:32:38kugelpff
00:32:43kugelI'm not going to use the release
00:32:55JdGordon|then do it properly?
00:32:56kugelbut they annoy me still
00:33:25kugelI don't have enough time to fix someone else's bugs during the exams
00:33:41JdGordon|then make the quick and dirty patch and just apply it locally
00:34:56kugelI'm probably going to commit them before the branch if we don't come up with something better in the meantime
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00:38:37JdGordon|please dont
00:38:49JdGordon|or dont get annoyed when I revert it
00:38:52kugelare you going to do something about it?
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00:39:09JdGordon|eventually
00:39:23JdGordon|I defintintly wont if I'm not hassled about it, which is what will happen if you commit that
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00:40:15kugelyou didn't do anything in the past 2-3 month, so my hope isn't very high anymore
00:40:47JdGordon|this is the 2nd time its come up in that time, the last time I said I'd do it after tihnking more about it
00:40:58JdGordon|I've already said the problems why it hasnt been done yet
00:41:47JdGordon|if I figured out a clean way to do it properly, it owuld have been done by now
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00:42:10kugelso it will take a while? why not accept temp fixes in the meantime?
00:42:23JdGordon|because it guarentees it wont be fixed
00:43:30kugelI don't think so
00:44:44JdGordon|the bug is affecting you more than me, if you band aid it it will affect noone which means it will be forgotten about
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00:46:04kugelbtoh affect everyone using sbs
00:46:18JdGordon|btoh?
00:47:11JdGordon|and good, which is all the more reason to not band aid it. if it affects enough people there will be more noise and possibly someone new to fix it properly
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00:48:26*kugel is a bit pissed off that the viewportmanager rework got in so unfinished
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00:51:11kugelI would appreciate if you could have a look how to do FS #10868 right, without a huge remake (so that it can go in before the release). I couldn't find a way the past 2 hours
00:52:23*JdGordon| was about to say that he is confusing too many issues...
00:52:43JdGordon|1) backdrop in plugins - fixed if backdrop toggle is moved into theem toggle
00:53:14JdGordon|2) sbs backdrop is left in the wps - no need to fix, use the wps to clear the viewport dead area
00:53:37JdGordon|3) move the backdrops into the skin buffer - something for after release probably unless it has to be done to fix 1
00:53:53JdGordon|4) ui viewport + backdrop + colours dont really play nicely with sbs
00:54:45JdGordon|I nkow you arnt going to like the fix for 2, but its much cleaner
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00:57:14JdGordon|the other possible fix for 2 is always clear the entire screen and then redraw the sbs before drawing the skin
00:57:29kugeldo you mean clear_display() in the wps at entering?
00:57:37kugel(for 2) )
00:57:45JdGordon|yeah
00:57:56JdGordon|not in the wps, in skin_display
00:58:22kugelit would happen more often there?
00:58:46kugelthe clear is only needed when changing backdrops, that is when entering and leaving the wps
00:59:01JdGordon|do it unconditionally when its refreshign the entire display, not on partial updates
00:59:30JdGordon|doing it in skin_display means we dont need to fix the logic for each new skinable screen
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01:00:08kugelthat violates the idea that a screen only cares about the areas it draws in
01:00:22JdGordon|yes
01:00:27JdGordon|which is why its not so nice
01:00:27kugelthe skin engine doesn't mess with the backdrops (yet), just with random smaller viewports
01:01:35JdGordon|which is why I tinhk the oriiognal suggestion is a better one
01:01:38kugelthe wps though, due to the backdrop, draws in the whole screen, so the clear would be more appropriate there (and garuanteed to happen only when really needed)
01:02:39JdGordon|which is why I go back to my first point that it doesnt make sense to have a wps which allows the sbs but not the main backdrop
01:03:09JdGordon|That breaks the "dont touch outside areas" more
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01:03:14JdGordon|+idea
01:03:19kugela wps allows the main backdrop, if it doesnt use %X
01:03:51JdGordon|%we (or no %wd) and %X should be mutually exclusive
01:04:03kugelnot at all
01:04:56kugelso, 1) and 2) could happen before the release ?
01:05:42JdGordon|could sure...
01:06:17JdGordon|ignroing all other time+energy arguemnts, 1) doesnt have a clean solution yet, 2) i still feel isnt an issue
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02:10:03yelpedCan someone give me an idea where to sart with this, please? Thanks. http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=22573.0
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02:15:25soap"where to start" as in getting someone to do it, or "where to start" as in "I'm ready to try my hand at C"?
02:16:15yelpedAny.
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02:24:35*JdGordon1 has crazy ideas about converting the colour, ui viewport and main backdrop settings to be handled the same as a sbs at .cfg load time
02:26:09yelpedAny ideas?
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02:38:46CurtmanWow.. my mini2440/rockbox works great first crack at it.. Fantastic job guys!
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04:35:39M4bKahello, wuick question
04:35:59M4bKaI read the manual . and it says it supports M4B, so i decided to buy some audiobooks
04:36:20M4bKai trnafered the files .. but they don't show up in the player
04:37:09M4bKaanyone have any ideas?
04:37:41krazykitare these DRMed files?
04:38:30M4bKayou mean sucure?
04:38:48M4bKayeah
04:39:07krazykitrockbox does not and can not support any DRM schemes
04:39:45M4bKaoh, is there any way to not make it DRM
04:41:00krazykitthat would be offtopic for this channel. google should point you in the right direction, though
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04:51:25S_a_i_n_tHmmm...I missed the commit, when did Frotz make it into the svn?
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05:04:22JdGordon*ahem* http://www.rockbox.org/since-4weeks.html
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05:34:48S_a_i_n_tQuestion regarding iPod Nano SIMs: Why is the 1st/2nd Gen SIM gui's different sizes? 2nd gen is pretty badly out of scale...not important by any means, yet odd nonetheless.
05:35:41JdGordonthey should be identical?
05:36:09S_a_i_n_tyes, exactly the same size
05:38:19S_a_i_n_tthe 1st gen sim is pretty much in scale, so I guess the 2nd gen should use the same dimensions.
05:38:35JdGordonlinuxstb: added both, pixelma is the artist for the 2g apparently
05:39:35S_a_i_n_thmmm, like I said, it's not a big deal...I just got a shock the first time I compared the two sims side-by-side and realised how different they were.
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07:10:22pixelmaS_a_i_n_t: well, the 2nd gen picture shows the complete player, the 1st gen not
07:11:52pixelmaboth are not out of scale (if you compare display area sizes
07:12:27pixelma- which must be almost the same - and position and size of the scroll wheel)
07:14:05pixelmaand you can only compare to your real player if your monitor has the same *pixel * size as your Nano
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07:15:55davidfg4How can I tell the difference between a v1 and v2 for a Sansa Fuze
07:17:35davidfg4?
07:18:31pixelmaonly safe method is by looking at the version number of the original firmware I believe (must be somewhere in their menu)
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07:20:03davidfg4It says Version V01.01.15A
07:20:07davidfg4thanks
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07:21:56pixelmashould be a v1 then
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07:27:53S_a_i_n_tpixelma: 1st gen nano shows the complete player...
07:28:09S_a_i_n_t*1st gen sim rather
07:29:24pixelmano, only display, scrollwheel and some space around
07:31:27S_a_i_n_tHmmm...I see your point now...but even in saying that, the 1st gen is WAY closer to real scale imo
07:32:33pixelmacompare e.g. the scrollwheel position to a real player - or get yourself a picture of a st gen Nano front, scale as big as it needs to that the display area is the same as the sim and you'll see
07:33:48pixelmaif you by "real scale" the dimension of your "real" Nano and the size of the background picture on *your* monitor, then it doesn't matter, it's not comparable
07:34:27S_a_i_n_tI'm holding 1st & 2nd gen in my hands now..both sims have their quirks I suppose
07:34:31S_a_i_n_tthey should both be the same size at least
07:34:44S_a_i_n_tsorry, wrong window :P
07:35:04JdGordonis the ui viewport setting in the manual?
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07:35:39pixelmaS_a_i_n_t: you could only compare the "display" sizes and if it is like you say, your sim's "display" will be bigger than a real one - but still 176x132 pixels which is the important thing...
07:36:19S_a_i_n_tit just seems weird to me that the 2nd gen sim dwarfs the 12st.
07:36:30S_a_i_n_t*1st
07:37:02S_a_i_n_twasn't a personl thing...
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07:37:37pixelmayou could only fix that by either cropping the 2nd gen picture or get a pcture of a complete player for the 2st
07:37:56pixelmaI didn't take it personally just wanted you to understand...
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07:38:17pixelmas/2st/1st ;)
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07:38:44S_a_i_n_tan easy fix would be to get the 1st gen sim to use the same hui as the 2nd...but recoloured (colour isn't really important tho. just that 1st gens are either black or white)
07:38:51S_a_i_n_t*gui
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07:40:40pixelmait would be much simpler than that - just make a bmp out of the 1st gen SVG for the manual (I used it as a basis for the 2nd gen one after compring pictures of both and seeing that dimensions hadn't changed much)
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07:41:02pixelmaI don't think it's important though, so am not motivated
07:42:11S_a_i_n_tnot important, but should be addressed eventually.
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08:25:29JdGordonwhere is the line between bugfix and rework which doesnt add anything new and which should happen, but isnt really fixing any visible bugs?
08:26:04BagderJdGordon: I think that's up to each dev to judge
08:27:27JdGordonI'm close to having the whole ui viewport/sbs thing working the way thats not a mess, and only got the idea how to do it after we decided on freezing :(
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08:33:48JdGordonis there any reason there is no support for backdrops on remote lcd's with depth > 1 ?
08:34:00JdGordoneven when there is support for main lcd's with depth > 1
08:36:27kugel_isnt it the other way around?
08:36:42kugel_oh, missread
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08:37:16JdGordonI dont see the point for backdrops unless its >= 16 but it seems not to allow on the main and not remote
08:37:24JdGordonmakes my job a tad easier though :)
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08:39:11JdGordonhmm, what happens in svn if you have a ui viewport which overlaps the inbuilt bar?
08:39:55kugel_nothing
08:40:28JdGordonit resizes magically?
08:40:31kugel_no
08:40:44JdGordonit overlaps?
08:40:51JdGordonI'm talking abut when the inbuilt bar is enabled
08:42:01kugel_yes, it overlaps
08:42:04JdGordonok
08:42:11JdGordongood, one less thing to worry about
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08:42:41JdGordonbtw, I know we agreed before, but I'm changing the ui viewport behaviour... if a sbs is loaded then the user setting is totally ignored
08:42:51kugel_the size & position is deterministic enough to not care about possible problems there (at least I thought that, back when the statusbar could only be at the top)
08:43:10kugel_dont
08:44:08JdGordonI could add that back in, but it will be a massive PITA and lots of unneeded code for such a tiny case
08:44:53*JdGordon has managed to get rid of everything he hated about all the different theme settings and the inbuitl bar without removing any of them
08:44:54kugel_what is the problem, really?
08:45:21JdGordonwanna look at the diff now? or when i call it a night?
08:45:47kugel_I want to know what the problem is. the intersection works, doesn't it?
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08:46:37JdGordonhttp://pastebin.com/mf2ba44b now on a failed sbs load, or no sbs load, all the user settings are used to create a in ram .sbs file which is then loaded
08:47:12JdGordonthe intersection could go back in, but its extra code because both viewports are parsed only once, ever
08:49:24kugel_the intersection is so little code..
08:49:34JdGordonnot anymore
08:50:19JdGordonhmm... well
08:50:19kugel_it also moves the backdrop into the sbs?
08:50:27JdGordonthats the next step
08:50:56JdGordonon a successful sbs load we could parse the ui vp setting and do the intersection on load
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08:52:48kugel_and how does that diff handle a (successfully loaded) sbs and user backdrop?
08:53:20JdGordonit doesnt
08:53:29JdGordon:p
08:54:23JdGordonthere is no way you can say a sbs isnt tied into a backdrop unless its really boring, in which case the authour wont set one
08:55:07JdGordonthis might require fixing
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08:56:33kugel_either it plays together with the user settings (including ui vp, and backdrop), or it moves everything into the sbs; I'm OK with both, but everything in between is unfinished and half-baken
08:57:12pixelmaJdGordon: WPS backdrops on a greyscale remote are possible, menu ones are not (I always assumed it just wasn't thought about it or the work for a setting wasn't done)
08:57:28JdGordonpixelma: yes, thats what I was asking
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09:01:11JdGordonwell, I've added back the intersecting, and the backdrop shouldnt be too hard, so i'll go with all
09:01:42kugel_what happens to the colors?
09:02:39JdGordonsame as svn, if they are - its the setting
09:03:04JdGordonor not
09:03:17JdGordonarg, the thing is a mess... maybe none is better
09:04:50kugel_I don't like that it replaces the commas in the ui vp string with pipes
09:04:54JdGordonin svn the colour priority is sbs > ui setting > colour setting (lower to upper)
09:05:22JdGordonmeh, ignore that, thats so the skin parser doesnt complain
09:05:24kugel_that will land in the .cfg file, better copy the string into a separate buffer if you need pipes
09:05:30JdGordonno it wont
09:06:19kugel_sure, you edit the setting directly?
09:06:29pixelmaI'd be against everything done in the sbs as long as their is no easy way to e.g. exchange the backdrop on the player (and editing the sbs in the text editor isn't simple). If there was a plugin or so to compose a theme/sbs (e.g. ability to browse for a new backdrop and set it, have a colour picker etc.) I'd could imagine the "everything in sbs" solution
09:06:56JdGordonno, its copied into a buffer before being mangled
09:07:09pixelmas/their/there
09:07:18JdGordonpixelma: the user wont see any change from this
09:07:22JdGordonits all under the hood
09:07:25kugel_ah yes, I see it now. sorry
09:07:55pixelmaJdGordon: your patch now as I understand, I just stated my opinion about future plans
09:08:38JdGordonok, colours are problematic untill we can know if a viewports colours are set from -, so I'm happy removing the ui setting fallback from the colour prio chain in sbs load
09:09:20JdGordonbeing able to know that is something I want to add later anyway
09:10:06kugel_the ui vp had the correct colors, due to viewport_parse_viewport
09:12:11JdGordonif they overlapped the sbs colours were always changed to the ui setting colours
09:12:24kugel_sure
09:12:36kugel_because ui vp overrides %Vi
09:12:56JdGordonwhich is something we have argued over and over than I never could see the logic in
09:13:53kugel_only the %Vi colors were changed, and %Vi has always been a fallback for the lists in case there's no ui vp
09:14:39JdGordonmeh, ok, ill force the colours also
09:15:16JdGordonit gets slightly circular though... ui vp sets - for the colours but the sbs sets a colour?
09:16:07kugel_where's that circular?
09:16:50kugel_the - expands to the global settings colors, not to the sbs %Vi color?
09:17:05JdGordonits after midnight... it sounded circular in my head before i finished typing
09:17:34JdGordonright, so now its just dealing with %X which could be interesting
09:21:16JdGordonpixelma: we agreed along time ago that we couldnt move settings out to plugins... maybe if/when lang support comes, but its not nessecary after this patch so no need to worry
09:22:37JdGordonFS #10922 ... please test it out, if wps backdrops dont work just ignore that... (skin load order says it shouldnt break anything)
09:24:38kugel_%X in the sbs works?
09:24:44pixelmareminds me that " - " in sbs or wps still doesn't work with greyscale shades because there are not settable through the menu (though I guess they could be and I remember making the background/foreground "colour" strings in the lang files only dependent on lcd_non-mono not lcd_colour on purpose - during the langv2 rework...
09:25:30JdGordonkugel_: no, but I havnt touched background loading at all, so there should be no noticable change to svn
09:26:06JdGordonpixelma: whack it on flyspray and it might even be fixed!
09:27:57pixelmaok, hope I'll remember today in the evening or if I have a few more minutes during lunch break or so
09:27:58JdGordonhmm... how does this sound for a compromise... instead of applying the theme settings any time any are changed (not when a .cfg is loaded though obviously) we keep track that the theme is dirty, then when leaving the theme settings menu we say "do you want to apply the theme?"
09:30:32kugel_that sounds like reducing existing functionality
09:30:37kugel_and annoying
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10:14:07funmanshould we add Fuze & e200v2 supported to MajorChanges ?
10:15:29AlexPcertainly
10:17:09funmanI tested recording on Clipv1 yesterday it still crashes on entering record screen
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11:03:42funmanNot sure when we should remove "Unstable" for e200v2/fuze in rbutil
11:05:44funmanThere hasn't been new models supported since 3.0
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11:53:01kugel_funman: I thought we make them stable
11:53:22funmanYes, why do you think I don't agre??
11:53:27funmans/?/e/
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11:54:18kugeloh, I read that " when we should remove "Unstable"" as "if ..."
11:54:49funmanI don't think there will be a rbutil release before 3.5 is released so we could as well do it now
11:54:53kugelwell, we can remove it as soon as it's officially stable I'd think
11:55:10funmanLet's ask domonoky or bluebrother
11:55:38*gevaerts also wants to ask bluebrother and domonoky about RC builds in rbutil
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12:25:49TheSevenis the CIA bot dead?
12:25:57CIA-44New commit by 03theseven (r24295): iPod Nano 2G: Fix FTL panics caused by a bogus check
12:26:01*funman kicks CIA-44
12:26:09TheSevenoh, it's just awfully slow today
12:26:12gevaertsTheSeven: no, just resting
12:26:18CIA-44ow
12:26:31funmanUnhelpful_: where does it timeout ?
12:28:12TheSevenUtchybann: your crashes should be gone now ;-)
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12:39:20terudid anyone tried fractals plugin on grayscale target? it shows blank screen on simulator for ipodmini1g and r24265 seems the cause.
12:41:40CIA-44New commit by 03theseven (r24296): Fix yellow
12:41:58*TheSeven wonders why that implicit cast itself didn't cause a yellow...
12:42:37Unhelpful_funman: sorry, it neven did actually say it was a timeout, it was ata error -4... with your patch i got "4 1B906" and "4 1F906" over and over and then "ATA error: -4"
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12:50:04funmanah it means card can't power up .. remind me of a problem in clipv1 driver
12:50:30funmanyou can try adding some more delay
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13:02:20TheSevenbah, rolo is still broken on nano2g
13:03:46linuxstbTheSeven: Did it ever work?
13:04:15TheSevenit works intermittently
13:04:42TheSeveni though i finally fixed it multiple times now, but no, it's still failing sometimes
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13:12:35TheSevenanybody wants to start working on a faster nano2g flash driver?
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18:10:16JdGordoncan everyone please test the bugfix in FS #10288? it affects playlist creation
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18:12:41anirban_c8I just installed rockbox 3.4 on my ipod video 30 GB
18:13:08anirban_c8but when ever I am trying to access the file manager it is either hanging or rebooting
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18:19:04evilnickanirban_c8: Does the OF work properly?
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18:22:09TheSevenhm, didn't we see something similar some days ago?
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18:25:21evilnickTheSeven: It does ring a bell, but I think that was a macpod that was converted to FAT32
18:26:16TheSevenno, the issue I meant came from disk spinups
18:26:22TheSevenprobably a bad battery or something
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18:58:45gevaertsdomonoky: am I remembering correctly that rbutil could handle RC builds with only some server side work?
18:59:26domonokygevaerts: i think not. but i am not sure.
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19:21:15fmlHello. I've spotted two typos in the manual but have no access to svn now. Would someone quickly correct them (I'll tell where)?
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19:22:17gevaertsfml: sure
19:22:23fml(1) In manual/getting_started/installation.tex: "Rockbox manually - download a Rockbox": replace '-' with '−−'
19:22:50JdGordon|gevaerts: you mean unstable ports right?
19:23:06fml(2) In manual/appendix/appendix.tex: Include 'itemize' into (under, i.e. make in nested) 'enumerate' ("Always include the following information in your bug report")
19:24:22gevaertsfml: I'll check both (need to see if the output looks ok!)
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19:24:43gevaertsJdGordon|: where? I think I have "stable" and "unstable" correct
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19:25:04JdGordon|the first one
19:25:09JdGordon|maybe i read wrong
19:25:33fmlgevaerts: ok
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19:26:33gevaertsJdGordon|: IIRC a while ago (for 3.0?) we half-decided to not release ipod 1G and 2G, but then we forgot and released them anyway. That's the sort of thing I mean
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19:27:10JdGordon|I thought stable meant it has had a release?
19:28:00gevaertsit probably should (to keep things simple), but that's not always been clear during discussions I think
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19:31:36gevaertsit's again the question of "ready" ports from before the stable/unstable/unusable reform. I'm pretty sure that some of them would be in unstable if they were new ports
19:32:15AkranisCan the rockbox firmware be run without a partition?
19:33:46CIA-44New commit by 03gevaerts (r24297): Some formatting fixes, reported by Alexander Levin
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19:34:44gevaertsAkranis: you mean without a partition table? Yes, see disk.c:208
19:38:22AkranisThe NAND read support for the iAudio7 seems to be broken, but I wanted to test some other stuff like radio etc. and was wondering if I could tell it not to mount anything :P
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19:58:55MoogleHi, I'd like to request some help with making a working tagnavi_custom.config file
19:59:38JdGordon|have you looked through the wiki page for it? I dont know how many people actually know how it works :)
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20:00:05MoogleI have and I tried but it's a bit too confusing for me
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20:02:04MoogleAlso the thing is those simple examples that are done on that page just include filtering by genre
20:02:20Mooglewhat I would need is sorting all tracks by album
20:03:01pamauryDid someone investigated FS #10738 ( Disktidy and portable apps failing with very deep directory structure/very long file names) ?
20:03:46domonokygevaerts: ah, that can be changed on the server. The server tells rbutil if a target is released or not.
20:05:16domonokygevaerts: but as we changed our unstable/stable thing, we marked new unstable targets with "(unstable)" in their name. This can not be changed without new rbutil release.
20:05:44JdGordon|pamaury: nls's comment is probably accurate.. also you should check if disk tidy is calling dir_open() or ft_open()... the first doesnt close dir's so irt faiols if you try having more than 8(?) dirs open
20:05:57domonokybecause not having a release, is not the same as beeing unstable.
20:06:08gevaertsdomonoky: but there might have to be a new release anyway due to the Big Rename?
20:06:33domonokygevaerts: yes, we need to that. released rbutil pretty "broken" now.
20:06:39domonoky+is
20:06:54gevaertsok, so we need to decide on the set of targets very soon
20:07:14pamauryJdGordon|: I saw the comment and he is right (the plugin uses dir_open but it doesn't explain the crash, it would only explain failure) but I'm juste asking of someone tried to fix it or if I can look at it.
20:07:20domonokyi mean it still works, but it cant install themes and always warns about a target mismatch :-)
20:07:58JdGordon|pamaury: crash could be a buffer overrun
20:08:01domonokyit would be good to put the unstable/stable status also on the server.
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20:08:28pamauryJdGordon|: what do you mean ?
20:08:38JdGordon|FS #9260 is a related bug
20:09:02JdGordon|its being called recursivly right? maybe the path is overlfowing the buffer and causing a crash
20:09:17pamauryAh, this is more likely yes
20:11:04pamauryBecause each recursive call allocate MAX_ATH bytes !
20:11:25pamauryStrangely, on my e200, it doesn't crash but just freeze. There is no panic or stkov
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20:14:52JdGordon|yep
20:15:02JdGordon|thats part of why I opened 9260 in the first place
20:15:17JdGordon|ft_load() is stack and dir safe
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20:15:51pamauryBut there is not ft_load equivalent for plugins (I don't know what exactly ft_load).
20:16:13JdGordon|correct
20:16:58JdGordon|ft_load (i hope im getting the name right) uses the file tree and tree_context to load the directory contents into something more freindly than the DIR*
20:17:30pamauryBut I think it can be rewritten without it, no ? It just a matter of accumulating strings into a global buffer (and not overflow the buffer).
20:18:44JdGordon|yeah
20:18:52JdGordon|I was too lazy to fix it for plugins
20:19:45pamauryOk, I'll (try to )fix disktidy and add a patch to FS as well as a comment to FS #9260 when I'm done
20:20:03JdGordon|stats, disktidy and properties are the bad ones probably
20:20:09JdGordon|and md5sum
20:20:21JdGordon|and random_folder_advance_config
20:20:41*domonoky notices that the server already knows this stable/unstable/unusable status, but it doesnt send it to rbutil :-/
20:22:10pamauryJdGordon|: I'll also have a look at them later but disktidy bug was reported in FS so it's the priority and I picked it first
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20:29:16domonokyZagor, B4gder: would it be possible to add a "[status]" section to the build-info (buildall-daily.pl) similar to the "[release]" section, with all those status numbers from tools/builds.pm ? Then rbutil could display the correct status, without need new releases if a target changes status.
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20:57:03CIA-44New commit by 03Domonoky (r24298): add the target status to build-info.
20:57:03*domonoky just learned eough perl to add it him self.. lets hope i didnt broke something :-)
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21:13:14pamauryJdGordon, and others: What do you think is best in disktidy. Silent error when a path is too long or fatal error and stop or something else ?
21:13:48JdGordon|something else
21:15:00pamauryPlease develop: a message saying something went wrong but continue
21:15:03pamaury?
21:17:14DrWtsn32hi everybody: I am new to the project, and I wanted to start a new port to the Philips GoGear ViBE 8GB
21:17:38DrWtsn32I started reading the docs and I registered to the wiki
21:18:05DrWtsn32it says that I need to ask here
21:18:15DrWtsn32to get the permissions to add a page
21:18:52S_a_i_n_tisn't there already a gogear port in progress? my mistake if there isn't.
21:18:52domonokytell us you wiki name, and we can give you permissions.
21:19:04DrWtsn32my wiki name is DrWatson
21:19:23domonokythats hardly your real name. read the rules again :-)
21:19:27gevaertsS_a_i_n_t: there are dozens of gogear models
21:19:27DrWtsn32ghgh
21:19:40DrWtsn32it's a nickname i use frequently - can't I use that?
21:19:45domonokynope
21:19:51DrWtsn32sooorry..
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21:22:36CIA-44New commit by 03Domonoky (r24299): rbutil: remove some unneeded accesses to the raw build-info file.
21:24:32*pamaury likes when opendir fails with errno=0 !
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21:30:04pamauryJdGordon|: so what should I do ? Print a message saying that some directories were skipped because of long names ?
21:30:27*pamaury notices that opendir reports errno=0 if the given name is longer than MAX_PATH because it's truncated
21:31:27TheSevenwho was the guy who had issues with both UMS and HID on ARC in parallel?
21:32:02TheSevenI just spotted something similar on Synopsys
21:32:13TheSevenso it *may* in fact be a core bug, not an ARC bug
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21:33:10pamauryI really can't see what the core could do that would make things fail with both UMS and HID on parallel. The code basically transfers everything to drivers
21:34:12TheSevenmixing up endpoints somewhere?
21:34:58JdGordon|pamaury: sorry work :p... the best thing to do is make it not be a problem
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21:35:50pamauryJdGordon|: but you think it's better to report that fact to the user or just silently skip those problematic directories
21:35:51pamaury?
21:36:04JdGordon|reporting something is always better
21:36:37pamauryTheSeven: mixing up ? I have tried lots of usb configuration without the core mixing up endpoints.
21:36:55gevaertsTheSeven: I have to admit that I don't really have real reasons to suspect the driver, only that the core is a bit simpler
21:37:35pamauryJdGordon|: ok, so I will add some code do to so
21:37:59TheSevengevaerts: My first guess would also be the driver - but seeing the same thing on multiple drivers is suspicious...
21:38:08gevaertsit definitely is
21:38:24domonokybluebrother: i am thinking about changing the handling of the downloaded info from the server (build-info/bleeding-info) in rbutil. I want to store it in the usersettings and store all of it (currently its stored in a map in rbutilqt class, and not all info is stored, so we redownloaded the file on target change) what do you think ?
21:40:14pamaurygevaerts: yes it's suspicious, but what can the core do the wrong way ? It does nothing when everything is well setup
21:40:37gevaertspamaury: it passes events along
21:40:50JdGordon|pamaury: ah, you just are going to stop the crash? not actually fix the underlying problem?
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21:41:47pamauryJdGordon|: for now, I have a fix that allow the deletion of all directories/files with strlen(path)<MAX_PATH (which is the maximum core can handle). When a directory is longer, it's skipped. Also, the code can't overflow
21:42:04pamauryBut it doesn't fix the problem for directory depth>8 or 11
21:42:08JdGordon|ok
21:43:13pamauryHandling deep directories would need to write code similar to ft_load I guess. I want to keep this fix simple in a first time
21:46:41JdGordon|sure, ok
21:48:09pamauryJdGordon|: I can commit my patch, close FS#... and anyway, there still is your FS#.. to warn us about opendir use if plugins. But here the solution will require to export ft_load or something similar.
21:49:18TheSevenhey, what about an "invert LCD when backlight off" feature?
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21:51:30JdGordon|pamaury: yeah, and using ft_load is dangerous because the file tree context is shared.. so its not simple to just export that for plugins
21:51:35gevaertsTheSeven: I must admit that I don't entirely see the point
21:51:39JdGordon|which is why its been nleft open for so long
21:51:47bluebrotherdomonoky: storing the info in the user settings as in putting handling into the settings class?
21:52:49TheSevengevaerts: readability, white background is better than black when the background is off
21:52:51TheSevenbacklight*
21:52:53domonokybluebrother: not really, it will be still be filled by the function who downloads the info. but the resulting info will then be avaiable to all parts of rbutil.
21:53:19JdGordon|TheSeven: I thuoght you were joking for a sec... but yeah, on targets where the screen is visible without the backlight that could make sense
21:53:41domonokyessentially i just create a few more user settings (a few plattform specific) and remove "versmap" from the rbutilqt class
21:53:45pamauryOk, anyone against a commit to disktidy or someone wants to review the code ?
21:53:46bluebrotherhmm. Wouldn't it make more sense to use a new class that works similar than the settings class for that? It's not really a user setting, and saving those data in the user configuration isn't a good thing imo
21:53:57*gevaerts doesn't see anything suspicious in the completion handlers in usb_core.c
21:53:57domonokytrue
21:54:14bluebrotherwe could have a user settings class and a server settings one ;-)
21:55:11domonokyor just a server setting section (ie a extra enum/list) in rbsetting ?
21:55:17*gevaerts wishes for RC builds installed by rbutil
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21:56:01*TheSeven needs to debug that HID vs. UMS issue later
21:56:55bluebrotherdomonoky: hmm, not sure about that. Why not change rbsettings to a base class and derive a rbserver and rbuser settings class from that? The major difference should be the <Foo>SettingsList arrays
21:57:37pamauryTheSeven: on which targets this issue happends ?
21:58:06pamaury*happens
21:58:22domonokybluebrother: that also not a bad idea. maybe even 3 classes: system, user and server
21:58:25TheSevenI spotted it today on nano2g
21:58:39TheSevenbut I remember some report about the same thing on ARC
21:58:39bluebrotherotoh, a new ServerSettings enum should be ok too.
21:58:42gevaertspamaury: depends on whether it's the same issue :)
21:59:13domonokybluebrother: but its also much more work.. so i would prefer to just put all into the rbsettings class :-)
21:59:27bluebrotherdomonoky: true. And SystemSettings should eventually go away ;-)
21:59:35pamaurygevaerts: indeed but I mean on which targets this UMS vs HID issue happens (whatever the underlying issue is)
21:59:40TheSeveni just did a prototype regarding display inversion, and i must admit, it looks a little weird ;-)
21:59:54domonokybluebrother: someday in the farfar future :-)
21:59:57bluebrotherwell, as a first version a new enum should be ok. Sure, the 3 class version definitely is more work ...
21:59:58TheSevenand there is noticable flashing while switching it
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22:00:03gevaertspamaury: I might have seen it on sansa
22:00:07bluebrotherWelllcome to Far Far away ;-)
22:00:21pamaurygevaerts: all sansas ?
22:00:56gevaertspamaury: probably e200. It's a long time ago...
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22:01:13pamauryWindows or Linux or both ? I happens when one send a HID command during a very long UMS transfer, no ?
22:01:37gevaertslinux, definitely. A wheel helps a lot
22:02:21gevaertsTransfer a large file (or use dd) and start turning the wheel as fast as you can.
22:02:37pamauryOk, I'll try to reproduce it. what are the symptoms ? Slow transfer, transfer fail, device freeze ?
22:02:45gevaertsbus reset at least
22:02:49bluebrothergevaerts, domonoky: if the build-info file contains information about available RC builds (and those are available on the download server) we could install them too.
22:03:07TheSevenpamaury: it happened to me when i use the hid while i was copying gigabytes of data
22:03:16TheSeven(that was on windows)
22:03:38gevaertsI originally suspected other reasons though, such as a milder version of the old problems we always had on PortalPlayer: if the system is overloaded, USB gets unreliable
22:03:40AlexPgevaerts: Is this related to me being unable to boot my laptop if the beast is plugged in and HID is active?
22:03:49gevaertsAlexP: I suspect not
22:04:02gevaertsAlexP: I suspect that that's your BIOS being braindead
22:04:06AlexPah right
22:04:18AlexPIt isn't a big deal, I just unplug it :)
22:04:26pamauryAlexP: that's probably your BIOS expecting a single interface (UMS) instead of two (UMS+HID)
22:04:34gevaertsThis is about strange things happening if UMS and HID are actually active at the same time
22:04:57AlexPpamaury: Yeah, it is fine without HID
22:05:04AlexPOK
22:05:53gevaertspamaury, TheSeven: my "overloaded" theory is mainly supported by things like FS #9969 also causing issues
22:06:48gevaertsThat patch definitely won't apply anymore though
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22:10:48pamauryJdGordon|: for disktidy, should I put a patch in FS#.. or directly commit it ? Do you think will review it otherwise ?
22:10:51TheSevenmy ipod just trashed its ftl once again
22:11:13TheSeven(i needed to reboot it the hard way)
22:11:22TheSevenwhimory really doesn't seem very robust to me
22:11:50pamaurywhat is whimory ?
22:12:21TheSeventhe company apple bought the ftl code from
22:12:37bertrikoh I thought samsung developed it
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22:14:00TheSevensamsung developed/built the SoC
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22:24:21CIA-44New commit by 03pamaury (r24300): FS #10738: fix disktidy plugin crash when dealing with very long file/directory names.
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22:27:42pamauryDid someone look at FS #10924 (Cant open any .txt files which larger than 1M!) ? It's with the text editor it seems but is it normal or not ?
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22:42:18pamauryWhat do you think of FS #10789 ( Divide by Zero text_editor) ? I wan't able to reproduce it even by opening very large files
22:53:06pixelmamaybe some codepage thing?
22:53:22pixelmajust an idea
22:55:32pamauryI could investigate if I had a file that produces a crash but I haven't :(
22:56:02pixelmanot even with the posted example?
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22:57:36pamauryNo
22:57:43pamauryDid you try ?
22:57:51pixelmano,
22:58:23pixelmasince teru seemed to be able to reproduce, I suggest asking him
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23:08:01pixelmaI wonder if teru's action fix commited a few weeks ago fixd this bug, since the report mentions scrolling around in the file
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23:09:55pixelmapamaury: I mean http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev&revision=23845 , in case you can tell
23:10:18JdGordon|pamaury: I cant remember where text editor gets its buffers for.. it shuoldnt have issues with 1MB though
23:10:59pamauryJdGordon|: On my e200, I can't open files > 1MB, the text_editor says there was a an error and quits
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23:11:34JdGordon|I would expect it to fail either around th 512KB mark, or not untill about 29MB
23:11:39JdGordon|unless 1MB is hard coded
23:13:46pamauryit fails between 900Kb and 1800Kb (I don't have files between)
23:14:00pamauryBut it doesn't crash. It just fails$
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23:18:38CIA-44New commit by 03Domonoky (r24301): rbutil: store the info from the server centrally in RbSetttings. Dont download build-info multiple times. Rename install.cpp
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23:38:54saratogaanyone feel like working on the 6G classic port? someone wants to donate one
23:45:10TheSevensaratoga: potentially yes
23:45:11soap(not that I am qualified) - but where does the 6G lie in relation to the other post-PP iPods?
23:45:19TheSevenhowever, not before the beginning of march
23:45:35TheSevenwhich exact generation is it?
23:45:50TheSeventhe 6G generations are most similar to the nano 3g
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23:46:41TheSevenif it's the 80GB or (old/thick) 160GB model, we should be able to get something running rather fast
23:47:12TheSeventhe 120GB model will be a lot harder, as we don't have a way to execute code there yet
23:47:53TheSevenand the (new/thin) 160GB model probably won't be cracked in near future, as they fixed their vulnerability :-/
23:48:14CIA-44New commit by 03bluebrother (r24302): Make parsing the server date locale independent also for asctime and RFC850 representation.
23:49:41saratogaTheSeven: might as well take it now and if you dont' have time pass it around
23:49:55TheSevenwhere is that thing geographically?
23:50:34TheSevenI will have a lot of time from march to the end of april (I have an exam at the end of february)
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23:51:46TheSevenwould be cool if it's already in the EU, so that we don't need to care about customs...
23:51:54TheSeven(I'm located in germany)
23:53:57linuxstbTheSeven: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=23698.0
23:54:39saratogamaybe scorch can check his ip
23:55:07saratogaanyway, i usually just say its a development deevice with negligible value when I send hardware to the EU
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23:55:31TheSevendoes this actually work?
23:55:59saratogayeah i don't think they open packages to check
23:56:18scorchegeoIP says south carolina
23:56:51saratogain the US you can send mp3 players for about $5 to the EU via some computer option
23:56:56saratogaor DVD option
23:56:58saratogai forget
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23:58:10TheSevenif it's a 1G, I'll probably take it, if nobody else wants to

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