#rockbox 2010-01-25

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#rockbox log for 2010-01-25

00:00:48	Unhelpful	DeviceChart says ipod color is pp5020 . c200 is 5022. fuze is an ams target, and i believe is armv4 with some amount of embedded sram, so it might be worth checking
00:03:15		Quit domonoky (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
00:04:21	Strife89	I'll probably just test 'em all. Where's the patch and the test file?
00:05:20	Unhelpful	ah, the patch. here it is: http://pastie.org/792799
00:05:37	Unhelpful	test files are here: http://download.rockbox.org/test_files/
00:05:54	Unhelpful	but the patch is only relevant to ape, it does rather a lot of division
00:06:57	Strife89	I'll start with ape_normal, and then ape_high.
00:07:07	Strife89	I compile with VMs, so it'll take a while.
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01:36:26	kroktsrka	hello
01:36:29	kroktsrka	I ask because I rockbox
01:36:35	kroktsrka	player not working
01:37:01	kroktsrka	you can help me?
01:37:15	kroktsrka	heeeeellllooo????
01:37:34	kroktsrka	someone there????
01:37:45	kroktsrka	need help with player!!!
01:38:00	kroktsrka	friend rockbox installed
01:38:19	kroktsrka	not work more!!!
01:38:41	krazykit	what device are you asking about?
01:38:56	kroktsrka	player
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01:39:13	*	TheSeven guesses it's an apple device because he also turned up in #linux4nano
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01:39:28	TheSeven	kroktsrka: is it an ipod nano?
01:39:37	kroktsrka	yes
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01:39:48	TheSeven	which generation?
01:40:33	kroktsrka	generation?
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01:41:51	Strife1989	Unhelpful: Well, the iPod isn't performing well on ape_normal at all.
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01:43:01	kroktsrka	heeeeeeeelllllllpppp!!!!!!!!!!!
01:43:19	TheSeven	kroktsrka: see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPod#Models
01:43:27	TheSeven	which one is it?
01:44:48	kroktsrka	third 4 GB third generation iPod Nano 4, 8 GB USB (FireWire for charging only) 5 September 2007 Mac: 10.4
01:45:27	Strife1989	Unhelpful: The iPod is stumbling every 3-4 seconds. The c250 manages to last for 6-8 seconds before having to pause.
01:45:29	TheSeven	kroktsrka: I'm afraid rockbox doesn't (yet) work on that one
01:45:40	Strife1989	On the c200, the software backlight becomes dog-slow.
01:46:03	kroktsrka	but friend installed rockbox and now not work more!!!!!!
01:46:36	Strife1989	kroktsrka: If a friend of yours installed Rockbox, he's using an older iPod.
01:46:38	Strife1989	Much older.
01:47:07	TheSeven	not that much older
01:47:36	kroktsrka	have you broke my player!!!!!!
01:47:38	Strife1989	Unhelpful: Oh, and the c200's battery voltage dropped quite a bit, but that always seems to happen with extra-heavy CPU load.
01:48:05	kroktsrka	wants new!!!!!!!
01:48:54	kroktsrka	you stupid idiote my player does break!!!!!!!!!!!
01:49:02	Farthen	kroktsrka: could you please calm down? it doesn't help anyone here.
01:49:06	krazykit	kroktsrka, if anyone broke your device, it would be you or your friend, not rockbox.
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01:49:16	TheSeven	so you have an ipod nano 3rd generation?
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01:49:41	kroktsrka	yes
01:49:45	TheSeven	what exactly did you or your friend do with it?
01:49:51	TheSeven	and what does it do now?
01:50:04	kroktsrka	friend installed rockbox!!!!
01:50:13	kroktsrka	now not light any more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
01:50:49	TheSeven	connect your player to your PC. does itunes see it?
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01:51:03	Strife89	kroktsrka: Please, calm down. We can't help you unless we know exactly what happened.
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01:51:41	Unhelpful	Strife89: that kind of fits, per the wiki we need about 120% RT for playback
01:52:01	*	TheSeven already saw ~103% playing back without stuttering
01:52:17	Strife89	Unhelpful: I'll be testing on the Fuze in a bit. Would you like me to do anything else with the c250 or the iPod?
01:52:34	TheSeven	kroktsrka: does itunes ask you to restore your ipod?
01:52:42	kroktsrka	not have itunes!!
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01:53:20	Strife89	kroktsrka: Then the first thing you should do is install iTunes.
01:53:42	Strife89	Go here. http://www.apple.com/itunes/
01:53:42	Farthen	please download it from: http://www.apple.com/itunes/download/
01:53:50	kroktsrka	friend has itunes and installed rockbox and not work more!!!!!!!!!!!
01:54:17	Farthen	kroktsrka: do you have access to your friend's pc now?
01:54:24	Strife89	kroktsrka: We need to know what was done in the attempt to install Rockbox.
01:54:37	Strife89	Simply telling us that it doesn't work won't do any good.
01:55:01	TheSeven	Strife89: as those devices are unbrickable and have a foolproof recovery procedure, I would rather go the straight-forward way
01:55:24	Strife89	TheSeven: Sorry. >.<
01:55:32	kroktsrka	connect with pc itunes but not see
01:56:01	TheSeven	does the display on the ipod light up when you connect it?
01:56:19	kroktsrka	no light
01:56:53	TheSeven	did you start itunes?
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01:57:07	kroktsrka	itunes on
01:57:11	kroktsrka	but no light
01:57:14	kroktsrka	no see ipod
01:57:19	Farthen	you need to close itunes, plug the ipod in and start it again
01:57:30	kroktsrka	you killed my player!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
01:57:35	Farthen	it should then detect an ipod in recovery mode
01:57:54	Strife89	kroktsrka: iPods cannot be killed unless you smash them with a hammer.
01:58:10	Strife89	More or less.
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01:58:36	TheSeven	if it still doesn't work, press and hold the MENU and middle/center buttons for 10 seconds
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01:59:04	TheSeven	and make sure that the hold/lock switch is off
01:59:20	kroktsrka	have no hammer!!!!
02:00
02:00:05	kroktsrka	need ask person for hammer?
02:00:37	Strife89	kroktsrka: Don't take the hammer thing seriously.
02:00:48	kroktsrka	what do with hammer?
02:00:55	Strife89	kroktsrka: What I meant was, iPods are very, very difficult to break.
02:01:03	Strife89	kroktsrka: Your iPod CAN be fixed.
02:01:25	Strife89	Put the hammer away.
02:01:57	kroktsrka	kroktsrka throw hammer after Strife98
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02:02:30	kroktsrka	stupid idioto kill my player!!!!
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02:03:26	TheSeven	please, PLEASE, calm down, and do what i said
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02:03:50	TheSeven	make sure that the hold/lock switch is off
02:03:54	TheSeven	press and hold the MENU and middle/center buttons for 10 seconds
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02:04:29	TheSeven	if itunes doesn't ask to restore your ipod, disconnect it, close itunes, connect it, and start itunes
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02:04:47	kroktsrka	not work, idioto!
02:04:58	kroktsrka	no light
02:04:59	kroktsrka	no see
02:05:09	kroktsrka	YOU IDIOTO KILL MY PLAYER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
02:05:33	Mode	"#rockbox +o saratoga " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
02:05:43	TheSeven	or ask your friend to restore it
02:05:59	TheSeven	if he managed to try to install rockbox on it, he will be able to restore it
02:06:28	kroktsrka	friend want not restore player!!!!!!!
02:06:35	pixelma	if you want help I suggest not insulting the people who want to help you and listen to them and concentrating on doing what they say
02:08:12	Mode	"#rockbox +b %kroktsrka!@ " by saratoga (i=9803c6dd@rockbox/developer/saratoga)
02:08:12	Warn	Banlist contains 19 bans!
02:08:24	Strife89	Hang on, saratoga.
02:08:42	saratoga	just tell him what to do now
02:09:04	Strife89	kroktsrka: Please listen. We're trying to help you fix the problem. If you insult us, then you're only making things worse.
02:09:30	Strife89	kroktsrka: If you follow our instructions carefully, we CAN and WILL fix your iPod.
02:09:32	saratoga	how do I deop now?
02:09:46	TheSeven	/deop saratoga
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02:10:07	saratoga	ah that easy
02:10:11	Strife89	kroktsrka: Please, just calm down, and let's try again.
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02:11:25	Strife89	kroktsrka: Begin by starting iTunes on your computer. You have to download and install iTunes first; just going to the website won't do anything.
02:12:08	Strife89	kroktsrka: Once you do that, press and hold the Menu and the center buttons on the iPod until you see the apple on the screen.
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02:12:55	Strife89	kroktsrka: When you see the apple, QUICKLY stop pressing the Menu button and hold down the center and Play buttons instead.
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02:15:02	Strife89	kroktsrka: If you get that far, plug the iPod into the computer.
02:17:26	TheSeven	hm, unmute?
02:17:38	saratoga	sure if you want
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02:18:14	kroktsrka	hold buttons minuto and not see apple light
02:18:30	Strife89	kroktsrka: Then the battery might simply be dead.
02:18:39	Strife89	Plug the iPod in and see what happens.
02:19:01	Strife89	If the battery's dead, then it simply needs charging.
02:19:09	kroktsrka	connected 1000 times not helping
02:19:11	kroktsrka	no light
02:19:28	Strife89	Leave the iPod plugged in for a bit.
02:19:40	kroktsrka	pluged?
02:19:51	TheSeven	connect it and wait for 5 minutes
02:19:55	Strife89	kroktsrka: Yes, connected to the cable.
02:20:00	TheSeven	then try again
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02:20:08	Strife89	kroktsrka: Leave it that way for five to ten minutes.
02:20:12	kroktsrka	connected 30 minutes no light
02:20:34	Strife89	kroktsrka: Then plug the end that goes into the computer into another USB port.
02:20:37	TheSeven	(they usually come up after <30 sec even with a totally dead battery)
02:21:44	kroktsrka	and now?????
02:22:06	Farthen	close itunes and start it again
02:22:28	Strife89	kroktsrka: Has the iPod responded at all?
02:22:37	kroktsrka	noooo
02:22:42	Strife89	Hmmmm.
02:22:47	kroktsrka	no light, no see pc, no player
02:23:02	Strife89	kroktsrka: Are you plugging the iPod's cable into the front or the back of the computer.
02:23:04	Strife89	?
02:23:04	scorche	and as this isnt really rockbox-related anymore, may i suggest this be moved to #rockbox-community?
02:23:35	Strife89	scorche: Agreed.
02:23:56	Strife89	kroktsrka: Please type "/join #rockbox-community".
02:24:07	Strife89	Without the quotes.
02:24:34	kroktsrka	no have usb front computer
02:25:21	kroktsrka	scorche is related to rockbox!!!!!!
02:25:25	soap	Which iPod?
02:25:26	Strife89	kroktsrka: So you can only plug the iPod into the back of the computer, correct?
02:25:41	kroktsrka	YOU ROCKBOX IDIOTO KILL MY PLAYER!!!!!!!!! AND NOT HELP ME REPAIR PLAYER!!!
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02:25:55	kroktsrka	yes back of computer
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02:26:07	Strife89	kroktsrka: I am trying my hardest to help you. Please do not call us idiots.
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02:26:20	scorche	kroktsrka: it isnt...you said you have a 3rd generation ipod which rockbox does not run on....if you wish further help with your issue please calm down and discuss the matter in #rockbox-community which is our off-topic channel
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02:26:39	Strife89	kroktsrka: I understand. Try plugging the cable into a different USB port.
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02:26:53	scorche	Strife89: you too ;)
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02:27:00	kroktsrka	connect all ports tried!
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02:30:42	Strife89	Unhelpful: "View buffering thread" shows the clock at ~160MHz for a good bit, on ape_high.
02:31:09	Strife89	It's dropped to 140 MHz.
02:31:13	Unhelpful	this is where test_codec would be nice-to-have :)
02:31:47	Strife89	Unhelpful: I'll build with test_codec if you want, but I've got homework to do..... :/
02:31:59	Unhelpful	Strife89: don't worry about it. :)
02:32:09	Unhelpful	it works, that's good to know. :)
02:32:37	Strife89	Unhelpful: :)
02:32:55	Unhelpful	i think what i need to do is build ape twice, as we do with overlay plugins... once with all the code for the LUT divider, but the table empty, and then again with the table the size of the free iram
02:33:02	Strife89	Incidentally, do you know what song the test file is? I like it. :)
02:34:44	Unhelpful	i do not, sorry.
02:35:02	Strife89	Meh, 'tis fine. :)
02:35:17	*	Strife89 considers "Shake It to the Beat".
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02:58:36	perfectdrug	m4a is a container right the codec is aac? does rockbox support m4a, I just got questioned this
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02:59:55	Strife89	perfectdrug: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SoundCodecs#Current_status
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03:05:20	perfectdrug	Strife89: yeah I looked at this page, and couldn't find m4a mentioned, hence my question about the container as I'm not sure about this. And also not if rockbox handles m4a and just plays the from me assumed aac
03:05:57	Strife89	perfectdrug: If I recall correctly, I've played tracks with the extension of .m4a before.
03:06:06	Strife89	I can make no garuntees.
03:06:07	perfectdrug	ok thank you
03:06:25	Strife89	If you try and it doesn't work, no harm done. :)
03:06:47	Strife89	It'll just ignore or skip over any tracks that it can't play.
03:07:06	Strife89	Usually, at least.
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05:14:47	JdGordon	anyone around that cares about how themes work?
05:21:48	S_a_i_n_t	depends...what's the proposed change?
05:23:12	S_a_i_n_t	regarding the themes that is.
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05:24:59	JdGordon	which of the 2 options in http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive//rockbox-dev-archive-2010-01/0037.shtml should we do?
05:25:07	JdGordon	stay with svn? or make it logical?
05:25:31	S_a_i_n_t	one minute...need to do some reading.
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05:29:51	S_a_i_n_t	people will always debate on what it logical, and as well as that, they will always bitch if something gets suddenly and obviously changed.
05:29:57	S_a_i_n_t	it's a tricky one.
05:30:23	S_a_i_n_t	I can see merits in both options.
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05:31:54	*	S_a_i_n_t doesn't use .sbs OR ui viewport settings atm...
05:32:30	teru	I'd prefer "no %X means use the setting ".
05:33:54	JdGordon	thats how current svn works, but %X\|-\| does make more sense.. sort of
05:34:05	JdGordon	less change is better though
05:34:47	S_a_i_n_t	it wouldn't break existing themes would it?
05:35:14	S_a_i_n_t	and yes, less change is better from a 'why is it this way, and not this way' point of view.
05:35:16	JdGordon	no, which is why its probably better
05:36:16	S_a_i_n_t	you'll get criticism either way...but as a rule, I do believe in less change is better. Unless of course the existing method is just plain stupid.
05:43:12	teru	how will ui viewport setting be handled? I think it would be better to handle them in a same way if possible.
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05:58:28	S_a_i_n_t	why is "open with" in the wps context menu?
05:59:35	JdGordon	why not?
05:59:51	S_a_i_n_t	I can't think of a use for it.
05:59:54	JdGordon	oh, its because you can use it with vbrfix and a few other plugins
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06:00:10	S_a_i_n_t	Ah...
06:00:36	S_a_i_n_t	so it'd be pretty safe to give it the boot with no ill effect if you didn't use those plugins?
06:00:58	JdGordon	yeah
06:01:09	*	S_a_i_n_t doesn't think he's ever used open with in the wps context actually...
06:01:14	S_a_i_n_t	an dthanks.
06:02:38	*	S_a_i_n_t is making a "menu for dummies" patch.
06:02:48	S_a_i_n_t	or a "dumb menu" rather :D
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06:15:03	S_a_i_n_t	with
06:15:04	S_a_i_n_t	#ifdef HAVE_RECORDING
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06:15:04	S_a_i_n_t	#endif
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08:47:55	JdGordon	hmm... shouldnt adding a #include "file.h" guarentee that the file will be recompiled if file.h changes?
08:48:04	JdGordon	can #define's get in the way of that?
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08:49:21	Zagor	JdGordon: that's the idea, yes. where does it go wrong?
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08:49:53	JdGordon	skin_buffer.c isnt being recompiled when I modify skin_engine.h (I added that #include locally)
08:50:37	Zagor	you need to recreate dependencies when you add an #include
08:51:23	JdGordon	oh right... duh! :)
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14:39:51	S_a_i_n_t	How do I get svn to simply report the current revision without updating/reverting etc. ?
14:40:15	Bagder	svnversion
14:40:21	S_a_i_n_t	thanks
14:42:10	S_a_i_n_t	if it comes back as 2****M, that just means it's not a clean svn checkout..yes?
14:42:18	Bagder	yes, M for modified
14:42:20	*	S_a_i_n_t assumes M=Modified
14:42:27	S_a_i_n_t	ah, thanks.
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15:44:39	assembler	hello?
15:44:46	assembler	hi ^^
15:44:47	S_a_i_n_t	hi
15:45:03	assembler	are you a rockbox developer?
15:45:14	assembler	eny rockbox developers here?
15:45:34	S_a_i_n_t	probably quite a few :D
15:45:35	mc2739	assembler: if you have a question, please just ask it
15:45:47	assembler	ok
15:46:06	assembler	can enyone please explain me how weak is the fuzes processor?
15:46:15	assembler	i mean im quite surprised...
15:48:06	S_a_i_n_t	assembler: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaAMS
15:48:07	mc2739	assembler: I am not an expert, but I believe it is above the median when compared to other devices Rockbox supports
15:48:14	S_a_i_n_t	you could start there...
15:49:53	Zagor	assembler: are you having an issue with it you want to discuss?
15:52:57	assembler	justa wondering if i can add a crsor
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15:53:15	Zagor	a cursor?
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16:03:51	assembler	im back
16:03:56	assembler	i learning C
16:04:06	assembler	so i was wondering
16:04:18	evilnick__	Why would you want to add a cursor to rockbox?
16:04:23	assembler	if i can make a pocket PC out of my new rockboxed fuze
16:04:38	assembler	because its cool...
16:04:47	assembler	i want to make it look like windows 3.1
16:04:54	Zagor	I suggest doing something simpler while learning C
16:05:10	assembler	can you explain what?
16:05:16	assembler	il learn C in eny case
16:05:21	assembler	i wana be a programmer
16:05:35	assembler	but simplifying it will be a great deal...
16:06:38	Zagor	what you want to do is certainly possible, but means an extensive rewrite of the rockbox gui code. it would take many weeks even for an experienced programmer.
16:06:57	Zagor	do something simpler
16:07:11	assembler	well i do it for fun...
16:07:24	Zagor	and you want to spend six months on it?
16:07:31	assembler	i like to program and i will be really happy if il make it :)
16:07:34	assembler	why not?
16:07:40	Zagor	have fun
16:07:54	assembler	it will make rockbox a lot more popular...
16:08:00	assembler	think of it
16:08:02	Zagor	eh, no
16:08:11	assembler	a pocket windows 3.1
16:08:23	krazykit	that sounds like a dap i don't want to use
16:08:33	assembler	it eats evry ipod nano
16:08:44	assembler	?
16:08:44	S_a_i_n_t	an imatation windows 3.1
16:08:52	S_a_i_n_t	errrrrr...usefull
16:08:53	S_a_i_n_t	:P
16:09:05	assembler	i mean only the design...
16:09:14	assembler	you will be able all you could
16:09:16	assembler	and more
16:09:28	S_a_i_n_t	what do you mean by "it eats evry ipod nano"?
16:09:36	assembler	such as an advanced on-screen keyboard
16:09:42	*	S_a_i_n_t has 5 RB'd Nano's now...
16:09:44	assembler	it is a lot better
16:09:48	S_a_i_n_t	none of them 'eaten'
16:10:19	assembler	u can have as much ipods as you like...
16:10:26	Zagor	assembler: you do know that ipods don't have a mouse, don't you?
16:10:29	assembler	i wana be a pro programmer
16:10:37	assembler	i know that...
16:11:34	Zagor	assembler: please don't privmsg me
16:11:50	assembler	wel g2g
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16:12:05	S_a_i_n_t	assembler: the people trying to help you are simply suggesting that if you don't have a reasonable understanding of C, that this would be quite difficult to achieve and there are much easier things to attempt asa first project.
16:12:20	*	Zagor feels trolled
16:12:41	*	S_a_i_n_t wasted a good sentence.
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16:14:52	*	S_a_i_n_t sincerely doubts a Win 3.1 based GUI would make RB any more popular...
16:17:50	Torne	S_a_i_n_t: well there are quite a lot of people who actually liked the WinCE user interface.
16:17:58	Torne	and continued to buy WinCE palmtops for many year s:)
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16:33:00	funman	hi, i've benched my clip with fs#9332 (http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/619/clipm.png) , now recharging for running the bench without the patch
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16:53:02	AlexP	Why do we now have a wiki page devoted to a troll?
16:53:17	AlexP	Is it just me who thinks that this isn't suitable for the wiki?
16:53:37	gevaerts	AlexP: it's not just you
16:53:52	AlexP	So can we remove it?
16:54:18	AlexP	It a) isn't funny b) crowds an already full wiki with pointless stuff and c) "rewards" trolls
16:54:25	funman	AlexP: which page ? GoldenQuotes ?
16:54:40	AlexP	funman: No, it has its own page
16:54:43	funman	I see it
16:54:54	AlexP	I think it sets a bad precedent too
16:55:10	AlexP	B4gder, Zagor: What do you think?
16:55:20	funman	go for it
16:55:26	AlexP	I don't think I can
16:55:35	AlexP	It needs an admin I suspect
16:55:48	Zagor	I already expressed my dislike in -community
16:56:12	AlexP	So let's just delete it :)
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17:01:17	AlexP	I removed all the content
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17:06:12	evilnick	AlexP: Thanks for removing that
17:06:47	AlexP	I only deleted the content, I don't think normal users can delete topics - I think you need an admin for that
17:06:53	AlexP	Although I didn't try to delete it
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17:31:17	Assembler	hello?
17:31:25	Assembler	!!!
17:31:33	funman	hello Assembler
17:31:53	Assembler	IDENTIFY
17:32:51	Assembler	hello
17:32:56	Assembler	im back
17:33:05	Assembler	lagg
17:33:28	funman	Assembler: please be concise, it's a free chatting channel, come on #rockbox-community if you want to chat
17:33:36	Assembler	how to speed up that
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17:35:32	Assembler	so here is my question: can someone tell me the exact maximum speed of the fuze's processor?
17:36:00	Assembler	i need to know i to start my project...
17:36:22	funman	250MHz, read http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaAMS and especially the AS3525 datasheet (you were told that already)
17:36:24	TheSeven	funman: +not?
17:36:44	funman	TheSeven: right, it's _not_ a free chatting channel
17:36:50	Assembler	neverming
17:36:54	Assembler	justa answer me
17:37:11	TheSeven	Assembler: he already did. twice.
17:37:29	Assembler	i didnt found enything...
17:37:44	Assembler	and WOW!
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17:37:58	Assembler	its not that slow....
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17:38:37	Assembler	i know its cuz of a lag what i type arrive late
17:38:44	funman	saratoga: i got ~5h30 runtime on my clip with fs#9332, now running without the patch
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17:39:08	Assembler	its faster that an ipod!
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18:45:12	amiconn	Unhelpful: ping
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18:55:21	bertrik	TheSeven, maybe meizu_dfu opens the files as text instead of binary on windows?
18:55:35	gevaerts	oh, good point!
18:56:07	gevaerts	although I'd expect it to choke on 0x0a then, not 0x1a
18:56:20	bertrik	I don't know what 0x1a could be
18:56:31	bertrik	(escape is 0x1b)
18:56:46	gevaerts	it's SUB
18:57:05	gevaerts	but anyway, I think it's worth checking
18:57:08	TheSeven	whatever a SUB is
18:57:18	gevaerts	substitute
18:57:32	TheSeven	haha. and what does s "substitute" char do?
18:57:48	TheSeven	well, the behavior it shows is sending the first block over and over again
18:57:55	gevaerts	substitute things?
18:58:02	TheSeven	i can't see how opening/reading the file the wrong way could cause that
18:58:04	gevaerts	which is apparently what it does :)
18:58:06	TheSeven	what kind of things?
18:58:21	*	gevaerts didn't write the ASCII spec!
18:58:31	bertrik	init_img which reads images uses fd = open(filename, O_RDONLY)
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18:59:05	TheSeven	so yes, there is a O_BINARY missing
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18:59:29	TheSeven	or whatever that is colled
18:59:35	TheSeven	called*
18:59:52	TheSeven	but I still can't see how that could make the first 2K block repeat over and over
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19:03:10	gevaerts	maybe un-#if 0 the bit that writes the data out again, and check if that is sane?
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19:44:36	Unhelpful	amiconn: yes?
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19:47:16	amiconn	Unhelpful: Is there a reason for the weird table sizes in your patch?
19:47:42	amiconn	Also, what happened to the newton-raphson idea?
19:47:46	Unhelpful	amiconn: they're the largest that would fit, minus a bit of extra space in case of binsize fluctuation
19:48:38	amiconn	PP5002 and PP5020 both have 96KB IRAM, half of which are usable in plugins/codecs
19:48:54	amiconn	PP5022 has 128KB IRAM, and iirc 80KB can be used in codecs
19:49:07	amiconn	Yet PP5020 has the largest table...
19:49:59	Unhelpful	amiconn: i built with a tiny table and looked at how much space was left. i was surprised to find so much room left on pp5020, is there some static iram allocation in ape that isn't in iram on pp5020?
19:50:20	Unhelpful	or maybe i wasn't really test-building on a proper pp5020 target?
19:51:43	Unhelpful	i used ipod 4g grayscale to test for that case
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19:53:58	amiconn	Ah, hmm
19:54:19	Unhelpful	and the newton-raphson divider works just fine, though i doubt it could do well on armv4. i've been tuning signed and unsigned dividers for armv4, armv5e, and armv6 for a bit and have one for each that should be a decent replacement for the libgcc functions. the only thing i think is questionable about it is whether we ought to replace the divider on armv4, since it's faster but a good deal larger due to the unrolled loop
19:54:22	amiconn	PP5002 has much less room left for those table because it has a lot of code in IRAM that is in DRAM on PP502x
19:54:56	amiconn	And PP5022 has less room than expected because the "insane" filter buffer is in IRAM
19:55:16	amiconn	You could change that - "insane" won't become realtime on anything PP anyway...
19:55:48	Unhelpful	the n-r divider is smaller than the libgcc divider, even with the LUT it uses to produce an initial estimate
19:55:59	amiconn	I only put it there because there wasn't anything better to put there so far
19:56:23	Unhelpful	the distribution of divisors is very heavily weighted toward large values
19:57:39	Unhelpful	1-255 would cover 20% of cases. 1472 entries covers about 48%, while 5952 still only gets up to 56%
19:58:21	amiconn	You probably mean small values?
19:58:32	Unhelpful	i do mean small :/
19:59:05	amiconn	Actually that's something one should expect when dealing with range coding. The goal is to get things smaller
19:59:12	*	amiconn didn't think about this before
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20:00:21	Unhelpful	i thought about using a caching scheme and calculating reciprocals at first, but since the distribution has such a large spike in it and seems to be pretty much static, a static table is likely to be faster
20:02:04	amiconn	Did you try to special-case 2^n divisors again?
20:02:49	Unhelpful	i only special-cased 2 and 1, as they're below the lowest value in the table. i can try doing that again, though, and moving that and the zero test before the LUT
20:03:44	amiconn	The lookup thingy probably works well for ape, but not so well as a generic replacement, imo
20:05:00	Unhelpful	the generic dividers don't use it - the N-R divider has a very small LUT for initial estimates, but needs to further estimate the correct reciprocal from there
20:05:14	Unhelpful	but its LUT won't murder the cache if it's not in iram ;)
20:05:35	amiconn	If you remove the insane buffer from iram on PP5022, you can extend the table by 8704 entries
20:06:11	Unhelpful	a further 8704?
20:07:16	amiconn	yep
20:07:40	amiconn	That's the size of the insane buffer - 34816 bytes
20:08:33	amiconn	You'll approximately halve the performance for -c5000. I don't think that would be a problem...
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20:09:13	Unhelpful	so about 14K entries?
20:09:52	Unhelpful	14144 is a valid arm immediate, too ;D
20:10:26	Unhelpful	that would cover about 61-62% of divisions on flac normal
20:11:01	amiconn	flac?
20:11:14	Unhelpful	ape. i'm quite tired. ;)
20:11:43	Unhelpful	makes me glad i tested the recip+1 logic up to 16K entries though :)
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20:57:23	pamaury	Do you think the dircache bug I found should be fixed before freeze or not ? Given the use of dircache, it's useless to say that any change could have lots of (difficult to measure) effects or subtle bugs.
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20:58:10	*	gevaerts can't remember the details of said bug
20:59:17	pamaury	You can "open" a directory and the underlying system will in reality open the first file within the directory
20:59:51	gevaerts	ah yes
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21:00:25	gevaerts	Is there a way to trigger that for a normal user?
21:01:52	pamaury	Not sure, that's why I'm not really for bugfixing it before freeze with a risk of introducing other bugs. "open"ing a directory is not something you normally do. Except perhaps with a plugin and context menu ?
21:02:36	pamaury	Hum, no it's not even possible that way, so I think it's really difficult to trigger it without coding.
21:02:48	*	JdGordon\| points out that any bugfix is inherintly giong to have the probability of making the build more unstable, which means doing bugfixes during freeze week is just as silly as adding new featuresa
21:03:06	gevaerts	I vote to fix it just after the release
21:03:49	JdGordon\|	that makes more sense
21:04:04	pamaury	ok, agree
21:06:30	saratoga	when do we branch for the release? midnight?
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21:07:36	gevaerts	I'd say about 7 days after AlexP's email, so Tue, 26 Jan 2010 21:26:09 +0100 according to my mailbox
21:07:46	gevaerts	or around 24 hours from now
21:07:48	JdGordon\|	it doesnt need to be precise...
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21:07:57	gevaerts	not really, no
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21:08:21	JdGordon\|	once we branch we are good to go for non bug fies again?
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21:08:58	saratoga	yeah i mostly just want to commit and close some FS tasks
21:09:33	gevaerts	yes, although I still wouldn't do really intrusive things yet. Things like the target rename, or the move from config-* to config/*
21:10:02	saratoga	i'm waiting for the branch to do it
21:10:05	gevaerts	we want to make it possible to easily merge bugfixes in both directions until the actual release if at all possible :)
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21:10:57	Unhelpful	amiconn: what do you think about rebuild udiv32_armv4 and then relinking the ape codec after an initial build to determine available table space?
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21:17:24	pamaury	windows is incredibly crappy when it comes to usb devices. It seems that FS #10809 ( Sansa E200 won't correctly connect mass storage with HID enabled ) also applies to my virtualized XP SP3, was someone else able to reproduce it/investigate it ?
21:18:13	gevaerts	good! You can debug this :)
21:19:16	JdGordon\|	is it xp only?
21:19:28	gevaerts	hm, could we detect in some way that this sort of thing is going on?
21:19:51	gevaerts	JdGordon\|: I doubt it. There's a report about win2k also not liking our MSC+HID
21:20:10	JdGordon\|	you're going the wrong direction
21:20:15	JdGordon\|	is it vista or win7?
21:21:31	gevaerts	I don't think I've heard that, but this is one of those vague problems
21:22:15	pamaury	its XP SP3
21:23:51	pamaury	Ok, I'll try to find what went wrong. What is strange is that I uninstall it, then I wait for more than one minute (yes Windows needs one minute to enumerate two interfaces !) and detect everything but say "this device won't start"
21:24:14	gevaerts	pamaury: maybe it's related to FS #10319 ?
21:24:42	gevaerts	VMs are going to have higher USB latency, so this could influence things
21:25:16	JdGordon\|	well, if MS stopped supporting xp and 2k, then I reall cant see why we shold put much effort into it either
21:25:46	pamaury	because people use it and because something doesn't work it in rockbox perhaps
21:26:00	gevaerts	JdGordon\|: depends on how hard it is to keep supporting them
21:26:13	pamaury	gevaerts: Don't know. I'm not sure it has an influence because the usb latency is probably enforced at hardware level so when a linux driver is used to simulate a host, this latency problem should be nonexistent
21:27:03	gevaerts	pamaury: a logf build with logf enabled for firmware/target/arm/usb-drv-arc.c should be enough to check this
21:27:35	pamaury	Yes, it will enable log for usb-core, storage and drv-arc
21:27:38	pamaury	* I
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21:29:22	saratoga	in my casual use i haven't noticed any issues with vista and msc+hid on the 200v1
21:29:59	saratoga	but XP works fine for me too so maybe i'm just not doing it right to see bugs
21:30:24	liar	TheSeven: doesnt that sound similar to the nano2g usb issues?
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21:32:55	pamaury	I never had usb problems with my real XP but with my virtual XP, it seems to fail (whereas it does not with MTP+HID iirc)
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21:36:54	TheSeven	liar: yes, possibly
21:37:01	TheSeven	but only one of them
21:37:16	liar	yep
21:37:16	TheSeven	or maybe both nano2g bugs stem from the same root cause?
21:38:05	TheSeven	the hid is somehow messing up enumeration (on some devices), and even if it's up and running, HID and MSC traffic at the same time will kill something
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21:41:32	utchybann	TheSeven: last week-end, I have help someone with a nano2g by telling him to disable usb HID. This have fixed his usb transfert problem.
21:41:35	pamaury	I'm wondering why Windows ask the hid desc four times
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21:44:13	mc2739	JdGordon\|: FS #10809 happens with Win7RC also
21:46:27	gevaerts	pamaury: if you're testing now, one thing to try is to change "REG_ENDPTPRIME \|= mask" to "REG_ENDPTPRIME = mask"
21:46:44	pamaury	What is this supposed to change ?
21:47:42	gevaerts	less reads on that register. From my reading of the datasheet, only one bit can ever be 1 at a time, so the or-ing isn't needed, and the linux driver doesn't or
21:48:16	gevaerts	the linux driver also doesn't wait for the prime to be complete...
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21:49:19	pamaury	Ok, I'll try this now
21:49:56	*	pamaury thinks he could then try with simulator usb :)
21:50:58	pamaury	It would be funny: a virtual device with a virtual host, the whole thing using not less than four different drivers on three different OSes to work ;)
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21:56:41	pamaury	gevaerts: I don't know if it's by chance or not but with "REG_ENDPTPRIME = mask", UMS works whereas HID doesn't. Though I need to uninstall and reinstall it to obtain this result
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21:58:32	pamaury	gevaerts: I unplug it and replug it and now nothing works anymore. I'm sure it's windows messing up because hid doesn't work
21:58:41	gevaerts	great
21:59:38	pamaury	I'm reverting to initial code to check whether this is chance or not
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22:01:53	bertrik	pamaury, sometimes it helps to remove an USB entry from the registry, so windows does a full detection of a USB device again
22:02:01	gevaerts	pamaury: if you feel destructive, remove use
22:02:21	gevaerts	"REG_ENDPTPRIME = mask" and remove everything after it up to restore_irq()
22:02:42	gevaerts	of course leave the restore_irq() in place :)
22:03:19	gevaerts	the linux driver doesn't do any of that
22:03:27	pamaury	I used the hardware manager to do a full detection and UMS works with "=" and "\|=" finally. But when I unplug and plug again, it doesn't.
22:03:36	pamaury	gevaerts: I'll try in a minute
22:06:27	pamaury	It doesn't seem to make a different at first thought but I'm doing a full detection
22:08:13	pamaury	gevaerts: same result, no difference
22:10:57	pamaury	I'm trying with simulator usb
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22:14:32	amiconn	Unhelpful: Too complicated imo
22:16:32	pamaury	Hum, doesn't work, the press 'u' for usb plug thing is not adapted here because VirtualBox does the plug/unplug. Back to real device
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22:17:33	JdGordon\|	so fix virtualbox! :D
22:18:58	pamaury	:) I don't exactly know how virtualbox handles usb devices, it probably has to do with that
22:19:25	pamaury	(anf the virtualbox usb driver is not open source afaik)
22:20:29	*	gevaerts can still kill the connection on his e200 by just tocuhing the wheel
22:20:53	pamaury	just touching or turning it fast ?
22:21:14	gevaerts	turn it 10 degrees or so
22:21:28	pamaury	with linux ?
22:21:37	gevaerts	yes
22:21:50	pamaury	With a UMS transfer going one or not ?
22:22:16	gevaerts	ah, yes. dd if=/dev/sdb of=/dev/null bs=64k
22:22:40	gevaerts	turning the wheel two clicks is usually enough
22:23:22	pamaury	Hum HID sometimes just doesn't work on my linux, UMS ok but HID doesn't send events to the OS
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22:24:04	pamaury	Perhaps iy's virtualbox doing a mess
22:25:23	pamaury	Interestingly enough, under my virtualized XP, UMS only reports internal storage whereas under linux it also reports my microsd
22:25:58	*	pamaury reboot rockbox because HID doesn't work
22:26:56	TheSeven	gevaerts: my nano crashed only when turning the wheel fast, but when turning it slow or pressing buttons, that was just being ignored
22:27:22	*	TheSeven will try again
22:27:25	pamaury	I can't make the transfer fail with the wheel
22:27:47	pamaury	Hum, I have a sudden doubt
22:28:10	pamaury	It seems to silently block the usb transfer indeed
22:28:16	TheSeven	ugh, my USB doesn't work at all any more
22:28:46	TheSeven	took ages to enumerate, and then windows showed an empty drive, and the gid doesn't work either
22:28:49	TheSeven	hid*
22:28:51	Unhelpful	amiconn: just dump the insane buffer from iram, and then size it to roughly fit?
22:29:08	pamaury	gevaerts: you're right HID messes things up
22:29:18	pamaury	Does it happens on all your targets ?
22:29:19	*	TheSeven reconnected his ipod and now it works
22:30:00	TheSeven	(read) UMS transfer and HID at the same time even
22:30:14	TheSeven	when it crashed the last time, i was writing to it though, let me try that
22:30:31	gevaerts	pamaury: I'm currently only testing on e200
22:31:43	TheSeven	hm, it still works (with a write transfer in parallel), also it is pretty sluggish
22:32:02	TheSeven	hid events seem to be partly dropped and partly delayed by several seconds
22:32:10	TheSeven	but it didn't crash
22:32:34	Unhelpful	the beast is the only device listed on http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SoundCodecMonkeysAudio that can be called anywhere near handling insane, anyway... and 50% isn't too near ;)
22:33:57	TheSeven	urgh, key release events getting dropped on the volume control... that's not nice at all.
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22:36:45	pamaury	I'll try to make simulator usb work with virtualbox. That would be a good way to check if this bug appears
22:37:43	webguest57	http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?themeid=456&target=ipodvideo - does that not violate copyright ? as the originals were removed no ?
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22:41:11	*	JdGordon\| would really like to fix the sbs name before release, but noone has come up with a better name
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22:42:33	froggyman	JdGordon\|: for the file name extension? ie the .sbs?
22:42:55	JdGordon\|	everything
22:43:07	JdGordon\|	calling it the custom statubsar hardly makes any sense
22:43:14	froggyman	ohh
22:43:42	froggyman	.rbs? Rockbox skin?
22:43:43	webguest57	custom menu screen ?
22:43:53	JdGordon\|	if that ever happens, it should happen in the first release with the feature, not afterwards
22:44:22	S_a_i_n_t	.rbs is too close to .rsbs
22:44:28	S_a_i_n_t	but I guess that'd get renamed too
22:44:39	webguest57	.rrbs ?
22:44:53	webguest57	confusing
22:46:05	S_a_i_n_t	JdGordon: what did you decide on regarding backdrops and the .sbs?
22:46:38	Unhelpful	14208 entries is the largest table i can fit in iram on my e200. improvement at this table size is about .6-.7MHz.
22:46:56	JdGordon\|	S_a_i_n_t: it works exactly as svn now
22:47:07	JdGordon\|	so not entirely ideal, but no change to users
22:47:25	*	gevaerts is unhappy
22:47:40	gevaerts	The direction of transfer completions seems to be wrong a lot
22:48:08	pamaury	gevaerts: in usb transfers ? in which cases ?*
22:48:18	S_a_i_n_t	sweet, that makes sense...and avoids "what the **** happened to 'n' " posts on the Forum.
22:48:47	gevaerts	pamaury: I get a lot of "IN received in WAITING_FOR_COMMAND" and "OUT received in SENDING_CSW"
22:49:19	pamaury	That's strange
22:49:31	gevaerts	well, a lot... I seem to always get those for read10 commands
22:49:41	gevaerts	and not the correct ones
22:50:40	domonoky	JdGordon\|: how about introducing .theme files, which hold general things ?
22:51:07	JdGordon\|	well, thats what the .cfg is?
22:51:14	JdGordon\|	or are you tihnking something different?
22:51:16	pixelma	isn't that what...
22:51:42	JdGordon\|	beaten :)
22:52:28	AlexP	JdGordon\|: .rbt - RockBox Theme
22:53:12	bluebroth3r	AlexP: reminds me of that theme-in-tar-file patch I made some years ago ;-)
22:53:28	AlexP	heh, I even vaguely remember that :)
22:53:57	JdGordon\|	theme in a tar would be sweet
22:54:04	JdGordon\|	theme in zip would be better :)
22:54:27	JdGordon\|	AlexP: I'm not really fan of that.. Main Skin perhaps?
22:54:32	bluebroth3r	JdGordon\|: well, there was a patch for that. Though only tar, as it's easier
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22:54:44	gevaerts	um, this is wrong
22:54:46	JdGordon\|	would RMS go ape if we used his name?
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22:55:22	bluebroth3r	but IMO it would make sense to combine some of those theme files.
22:55:23	pixelma	compressed, losslessly?
22:55:25	AlexP	What is the main that main skin refers to?
22:55:47	AlexP	domonoky: Was it you that added the admin work needed thing to the theme site, or am I misremembering?
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22:56:11	domonoky	AlexP: jup
22:56:25	JdGordon\|	main being lists and menus and everything thats not skinned
22:56:28	AlexP	domonoky: So I see the banner - how do I tell what work needs doing?
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22:56:49	pixelma	AlexP: a "theme" is the complete thing IMO (.wps etc.). The problem with "custom statusbar" is that it's not a statusbar at all - it's the list screen and it has a viewport with the list
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22:57:16	domonoky	AlexP: for the moment its only the reported themes, login as admin, use the link to all themes and limit to reported themes.
22:57:17	AlexP	pixelma: Yeah I know - that's why I suggested .rbt for RockBox Theme
22:57:20	JdGordon\|	while menu screen/skin?
22:57:25	AlexP	domonoky: OK
22:57:40	domonoky	although i should improve the report function, it gets a bit abused :-)
22:58:11	AlexP	domonoky: Er, where is the all themes ink?
22:58:20	pixelma	AlexP: I still don't understand. Why do you need a different file extension for theme files - there is .cfg for that
22:58:30	AlexP	domonoky: Sorry, I'm blind
22:58:31	domonoky	:-)
22:58:34	S_a_i_n_t	does the command "svn revert" remove files you've added to the source, or just revert the existing ones back to the state they were at checkout?
22:58:45	JdGordon\|	the latter
22:58:58	S_a_i_n_t	thanks.
22:59:01	AlexP	pixelma: To differentiate between a theme and something that includes other random settings
22:59:06	AlexP	pixelma: But you don't really
22:59:24	JdGordon\|	wasnt the point of using cfg always so there is no real difference between a theme and a regular config?
22:59:27	AlexP	This was coming from JdGordon\| saying that .sbs doesn't make much sense anymore
22:59:55	AlexP	But yes for themes as a whole, .cfg is better
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23:00:13	AlexP	I was talking about as a .sbs replacement
23:00:27	pixelma	yes, because .sbs doesn't describe what it actually is
23:00:44	pixelma	.sbs is a .wps for the lists
23:00:46	JdGordon\|	domonoky: would it be hard to script up so every theme on the site gets unzipped, any .[r]sbs be renamed, and the .cfg gets fixed also?
23:00:56	AlexP	pixelma: exactly
23:00:56	JdGordon\|	and then rezipped
23:01:08	pixelma	AlexP: I give up
23:01:21	pixelma	I can't follow
23:01:23	AlexP	why? You are agreeing with me
23:01:31	S_a_i_n_t	is there a way to remove files you've added to your checked out source, or does one have to go through and do this manually?
23:01:55	JdGordon\|	rm
23:01:58	pixelma	AlexP: no, not that I can see
23:02:16	AlexP	well whatever
23:02:21	AlexP	I don't care enough
23:02:26	domonoky	JdGordon\|: if you write a script for it, i can run it recursivly on all themes folders on the themepage :-)
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23:02:35	pixelma	my impression still is that you talk about one thing that I see as two
23:02:42	AlexP	goody
23:02:54	AlexP	It really doesn't matter
23:03:19	pixelma	well, I'd like to understand though
23:03:56	AlexP	This got reported: http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?themeid=456&target=ipodvideo
23:04:07	AlexP	Wasn't the original removed?
23:05:35	AlexP	pixelma: I was agreeing that .sbs is a bad name as it doesn't describe what it does - but I agree that my suggestion was even worse as it sounds like it should be the whole theme
23:06:11	TheSeven	AlexP: webguest57 did say something regarding that theme...
23:06:18	froggyman	couldnt the sbs be combined with the wps?
23:06:21	pixelma	aha, ok. I couldn't find the latter part in your statements before
23:06:27	domonoky	so if someone can exactly descibe what the current sbs all does, maybe we can find a good name for it :-)
23:06:42	AlexP	pixelma: It wasn't there before, sorry - I thought I had but it seems I hadn't :)
23:06:42	webguest57	AlexP: yeah i noticed that today
23:07:29	pixelma	domonoky: I tried to a few minutes ago
23:07:41	webguest57	is there still talk of taking out the themes from the build and upping them on the theme site ?
23:08:18	AlexP	webguest57: Where was it removed from before?
23:08:39	webguest57	the wpsgraveyard ipod5g
23:08:43	AlexP	webguest57: Sort of - I'd quite like to, but it hasn't really been discussed and isn't really a priority
23:09:04	domonoky	pixelma: but the sbs also does describe the statusbar, not only skins for lists, correct ?
23:09:22	webguest57	i'd volunteer to do it, zip them up individually
23:09:48	AlexP	webguest57: Probably best to take it to the -dev list and see what people think
23:09:56	JdGordon\|	domonoky: the sbs controls the look of everything outside of plugins and the wps
23:10:16	webguest57	AlexP - http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/WpsIpod5gGraveyard#Black_Glass_Album_Art_Version i do believe that's one and the same
23:10:43	webguest57	all the original black glasses got removed way back
23:10:44	pixelma	domonoky: you can design it to look like a statusbar, much like you design your WPS this way. But you can also set the background of the list screen and give the list a certain viewport
23:11:00	domonoky	JdGordon\|: and fm/recording correct ?
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23:11:11	JdGordon\|	untill they are skinned seperatly, yes
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23:11:45	AlexP	webguest57: yes it was
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23:12:00	domonoky	so we would have wps / wfs / wrs/ and a general skin file..
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23:12:51	pixelma	what really confused me in my understanding first - the .sbs basically takes control of the complete screen and just has a list item
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23:13:35	pixelma	which is why custom statusbar is so weird
23:14:26	domonoky	how about .wls = while lists screen..
23:15:20	B4gder	.1 - just because everything else is even worse! ;-)
23:16:22	domonoky	or just .gs (general screen/skin) ?
23:16:54	B4gder	.skin
23:18:02	*	domonoky thinks .skin is good.
23:19:06	pixelma	.skin sounds a bit like something "theme" to me
23:19:37	JdGordon\|	I can live with .skin.. but what about the menu name?
23:19:58	gevaerts	oh
23:20:06	*	gevaerts grumbles
23:21:08	pixelma	shouldn't that be "Skin" too then (same as "While Playing Screen" etc.)?
23:21:23	*	gevaerts is going to make usb slightly slower
23:21:34	TheSeven	why?
23:21:58	gevaerts	to make it work a bit more correctly
23:22:02	*	domonoky thinks we should reduce the theme loading options to only the config.
23:22:10	TheSeven	i mean where's the bug?
23:22:19	gevaerts	more correctly!
23:22:29	pixelma	domonoky: noo
23:22:31	gevaerts	I'm not claiming it's entirely correct yet
23:23:05	domonoky	pixelma: you can still mashup via context menu and editing the config file.
23:23:35	pixelma	and I 'm going to post to the forums to say why I think so. I got a few arguments already
23:24:28	JdGordon\|	nooo.... dont derail the topic
23:24:34	JdGordon\|	we are talking about a good name for sbs
23:24:38	JdGordon\|	not removing settings!
23:24:44	domonoky	but if the menu option has to stay, just name it: "Load general skin file" :-)
23:24:49	gevaerts	TheSeven: the storage driver starts listening for the next command while sending the result for the previous one. This should be safe, and it makes things faster. However, the new command transfer gets completed first on ARC, which confuses the logf output, and only doesn't confuse the storage driver because it doesn't check too much
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23:25:31	gevaerts	and I happen to prefer totally correct over a bit faster
23:26:45	*	TheSeven thinks that this was already correct
23:26:54	TheSeven	actually i patched the same thing the other way round on synopsys
23:27:13	pamaury	gevaerts: it is normal that there are several cases in usb core where the core doesn't handle the control transfer and doesn't stall ? Example: vendor recip or device recip/unknown request
23:27:27	TheSeven	if the new transfer isn't started before the old one completes, it will get NAKed/STALLed
23:27:40	TheSeven	well, maybe ARC doesn't do that in hardware
23:27:58	AlexP	domonoky: There seems to be something a bit odd going on - I select hidden on a theme, put a reason in and do update all themes, yet the theme is still there as approved not hidden
23:28:12	gevaerts	my guess is that they're completed in the same interrupt, in which case lower direction wins
23:28:20	gevaerts	pamaury: I really don't know
23:28:27	domonoky	AlexP: did you press the button on the bottom of the page ?
23:28:31	AlexP	yep
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23:29:43	pixelma	domonoky: the font, WPS menu items are now only called that because they act like a setting now - the currently used is highlighted
23:29:58	gevaerts	TheSeven: usb_storage should really be able to handle that case, but right now, I'm going for the easy fix, even if it causes a 10% to 15% slowdown
23:30:13	gevaerts	the proper fix would be a lot more work
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23:30:55	gevaerts	even if there are no reports of this actually causing real problems...
23:31:56	domonoky	AlexP: looks like its only the display which is wrong after you pressed the button. the theme is correctly hidden.
23:32:13	AlexP	domonoky: I tried to hide multiple
23:32:26	*	TheSeven suspects that this doesn't only cause a slowdown, but will rather refuse to work at all
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23:32:31	AlexP	The first one I selected got properly hidden, all the others "appear" to still be there
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23:32:59	AlexP	domonoky: Unless the Skylar G. ones are actually hidden?
23:33:02	amiconn	Unhelpful: The beast can handle insane. The 50% are with svn, i.e. running at half the maximum clock
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23:33:44	amiconn	It's very tight though
23:33:56	CIA-44	New commit by 03gevaerts (r24333): don't start waiting for the new command in send_csw(). Although on the USB level this is entirely correct, and about 10% to 15% faster, ...
23:34:11	gevaerts	TheSeven: why?
23:34:19	domonoky	AlexP: ah you selected multiple theme changes in one go ? maybe there is something broken with that.
23:34:41	TheSeven	how will the controller react if a OUT transaction comes in, while no transaction is scheduled?
23:34:42	AlexP	domonoky: Yes initially, but now if I just select one it doesn't seem to work
23:34:53	TheSeven	it should probably STALL it
23:34:59	gevaerts	it must NAK it
23:35:07	gevaerts	that's what NAK means
23:35:14	domonoky	AlexP: can you point me to such a theme ?
23:35:45	TheSeven	NAK is kinda NYET.
23:35:51	AlexP	domonoky: Go Blue by Skylar G.
23:35:54	gevaerts	yes
23:36:16	AlexP	domonoky: 320x240
23:36:18	TheSeven	at least synopsys will STALL in that case, instead of NAKing, IIRC
23:36:34	TheSeven	remember the issue we had with this some months ago?
23:36:38	gevaerts	yes
23:36:48	gevaerts	oh, wait
23:37:10	gevaerts	I remember reading in the s3c6xxx spec a few weeks ago. Aren't there some bits you can set to control this?
23:37:54	TheSeven	I'm not absolutely sure what exactly the issue was back then, but it was roughly the same, just the other way round
23:38:04	domonoky	AlexP: seems to work fine for me.
23:38:38	AlexP	domonoky: You just hid that theme?
23:39:03	domonoky	jep, but only shortly to test it :-)
23:39:29	AlexP	Could you hide it a let me see if I see it hidden?
23:39:33	AlexP	*and
23:40:08	gevaerts	TheSeven: SGOUTNak and SGNPInNAK seem relevant
23:40:14	domonoky	sure. author will get a bit spammed, but who cares :-)
23:40:28	AlexP	Bugger, forgot about that
23:40:33	amiconn	Unhelpful: Hmm, the r1, r1, #0
23:40:43	AlexP	Hang on, I'll see if I get the same problem with one of mine
23:40:50	TheSeven	gevaerts: IIRC that was not present for EP0 or something
23:40:59	AlexP	domonoky: Then we can test with that - I'm happy to spam myself :)
23:40:59	amiconn	...can be changed to rsb now that the comparison result isn't used anymore
23:41:15	gevaerts	TheSeven: ah, ok. Well, this isn't EP0 :)
23:41:35	domonoky	AlexP: Go Blue should be hidden now :-)
23:41:53	TheSeven	gevaerts: besides getmaxlun and such...
23:42:30	gevaerts	TheSeven: yes, but my change is only sending the CSW vs receiving the new SCSI command
23:42:34	AlexP	domonoky: Indeed it is - so why the hell can't I hide them?
23:42:44	AlexP	domonoky: I'll try loging out then in again
23:43:04	AlexP	domonoky: And if it still doesn't work, we can practise on one of mine so as to only spam me :)
23:43:29	domonoky	:-) i will set it back to approved then.
23:44:53	JdGordon\|	did my "report naughty theme" comment get a giggle?
23:44:55	AlexP	yep - although I'm going to hide it once this works :)
23:45:44	domonoky	JdGordon\|: the ria report was from you ?
23:45:54	JdGordon\|	you didnt guess?
23:46:01	JdGordon\|	I thought i put my name on it actually
23:46:25	AlexP	domonoky: Nope, it just doesn't work for me anymore - I've tried with two different browsers as well
23:46:28	domonoky	i think there was no name... but it caused a giggle.
23:47:30	AlexP	domonoky: This is very odd - do you have proper access to look at admin users etc.?
23:48:15	domonoky	AlexP: i have access, but there isnt much what could go wrong. especially only for some users..
23:48:38	AlexP	domonoky: Can you log on as me to see if it works there?
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23:49:02	AlexP	domonoky: If I PM you details :)
23:49:51	domonoky	sure, but first i take a look at the logged actions in the db, (themesite logs many actions, but doesnt display it anywhere at moment).
23:50:00	AlexP	OK, cheers
23:51:04	domonoky	did try to hide anything after i hide/unhide Go Blue ?
23:51:10	AlexP	yes
23:51:15	AlexP	one of my themes
23:51:16	domonoky	there is no action after that in the log.
23:51:27	AlexP	I tried to hide it at least twice
23:51:34	AlexP	And I didn't get a mail either
23:51:37	domonoky	so pm me your login and i will try.
23:51:41	AlexP	OK, cheers
23:52:01	domonoky	if there is no action in the log, the theme site didnt do anything.
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23:53:42	*	pamaury will perhaps have HID working with simulator usb under virtualized XP
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23:54:30	JdGordon\|	so... replacing "Custom Statusbar" with "Main Skin" ?
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23:55:17	JdGordon\|	the statusbar option would be changed to "use main skin" also
23:55:28	JdGordon\|	and the extension umm?
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23:55:48	pixelma	.ms, obviously ;)
23:56:35	JdGordon\|	all opposed?
23:57:24	JdGordon\|	:'( as much as i really want to do this in 3.5.. it will be ugly
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