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#rockbox log for 2010-01-29

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00:24:40moosare those .rsbs files related to remote status bar?
00:25:28moos@JdGordon
00:26:20pixelmathey are, it's just not the "status bar"
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00:26:31JdGordon|rsbs is the main skin for the remote
00:27:07moosthen I supose that targets that are not concerned don't need them?
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00:28:16moos@JdGordon (to highlight you) :)
00:28:18Mode"#rockbox +v nimak " by rb_voicebot (n=rb_voice@0x5550f5a3.adsl.cybercity.dk)
00:28:59JdGordon|yes, but I got lazy with the buildzip scrip so just added them always
00:29:48moosis this a make job?
00:30:07moosif that's an easy job I could try...
00:31:10JdGordon|be my guest
00:31:12moosJdGordon: is that a makefile thing?
00:31:18JdGordon|no, worse....
00:31:20JdGordon|perl!
00:31:29JdGordon|tools/buildzip.pl
00:31:31moosdu hh
00:31:42*moos blames perl then :)
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00:32:47moosJdGordon: I noticed that the sbs handling seems to take time at boot (comparing to before this era)
00:33:19JdGordon|this is the 3rd report of that, but I call shinanigans or placebo
00:33:54JdGordon|unless the hardware setting setup code takes way too long to run, because the disk is not accessed any more than it used to be
00:34:01moosI even tried to disabled .sbs, and noticed that the status bar was printed at boot anyway
00:34:20JdGordon|hats a different story
00:34:25JdGordon|that's*
00:34:55moosmaybe related? something fishy at start to handle status bar
00:34:57JdGordon|did you set statusbar to off?
00:35:01moosyup
00:35:21moosan it was here at boot anyway until the root menu
00:35:40JdGordon|gets displayed over the splash?
00:36:00moosto compare the boot difference, that's easy. Dircache time at boot, vs after usb
00:36:10moos3s lost here
00:36:21moosyup exactly
00:36:42JdGordon|ok, I just reprod that, the statusbar default must be "top" so that makes sense
00:37:20moosmaybe just an initialisation somwhere at boot (noob user guess here)
00:37:33moos+problem of course :)
00:37:36JdGordon|thats not a valid comparisson. I posted a patch somewhere to time the setting loading on boot which should be done to convince me there is an issue
00:38:11 Quit Strife89DS ("Batery is low.")
00:38:21moosmheh :)
00:38:49JdGordon|I'm also not too worried because I plan on splitting the theme settings completly out of the usual setting apply-ing code
00:39:00JdGordon|which should also fix the boot splash
00:39:08JdGordon|also, FS #10922 might fix that
00:39:15*moos is surprised that noone here noticed/reported this
00:39:48JdGordon|everyone has statusbar set to top anyway
00:39:55pixelmawhy the splitting out?
00:40:11*moos tought to boot time here of course
00:41:14moosJdGordon: don't have time right now to test more (wakes up for works in 5hours, and I'm not at bed yet:\=
00:41:36JdGordon|pixelma: maybe not a full split out, but being able to just apply the theme settings without every other setting would be useful
00:42:00moosJdGordon: I'll let you know If I find something or even better to report you that you fixed the issues when you'll done with the commits
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00:42:33moosJdGordon: might be a good idea indeed ...
00:42:52JdGordon|yeah, ok, if there really is an issue I'll fix it :p
00:42:57JdGordon|but I dont tihnk there is :D
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00:43:43mooshehe, /me feels offended now, Jd don't want to trust him :)
00:44:02moosI tried various seetings situations...no luck
00:44:48JdGordon|check the tick difference between the two settings_apply() calls in main()
00:45:04JdGordon|then see if anything changed from when the 2nd was added
00:45:49moosohoh,ok, I will maybe try this, this week end
00:46:29moosbut I hope that you will commits your changes before, and that will speed up the things again, like years before ;)
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00:47:55moosJdGordon: for the .rsbs files, maybe asking a pearl guru could help us
00:48:06 Quit johne ()
00:48:09mooslike rasher or Zagor
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00:49:08moosthat's not a bug, but anyway plenty of files built for nothing
00:50:50JdGordon|not built, just copied
00:50:55JdGordon|its not a big deal
00:51:21moosand maybe a one line fix
00:51:50*moos likes when things are clean
00:51:51moos:)
00:52:58moosJdGordon: is there already a sbs gallery?
00:53:11JdGordon|themes.rockbox.org
00:53:21JdGordon|a .sbs is a renamed .wps
00:53:29JdGordon|well, almost
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00:53:54moosoh, same syntax you mean?
00:54:16*moos didn't look at this feature yet
00:54:35JdGordon|the only difference is you have to use viewports in the sbs
00:54:47JdGordon|and it needs a special viewport to say where the lists go
00:54:53JdGordon|otherwise its identical to wps
00:55:02moosok, nice to know, merci
00:55:51moosI did remenber you thought a while ago to have possibly a mini album art in. Is it already the case?
00:56:22*moos tried to follow the svn activity those past 4months, but too hard, too much developement :)
00:57:14JdGordon|yeah, one of the themes on the e200s have a smaller AA in the sbs
00:57:39moossweety ! the feature is already in then :)
00:57:42JdGordon|http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?themeid=370&target=sansae200
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00:58:20moosheh, cool !
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00:58:45moosis this voicebot still needed? no spam attack around those days
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00:59:54pixelmaI just suffered from attacks this morning (well yesterday to be accurate)
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01:00:43moospixelma: aie :(. Where?
01:01:59pixelmathey flood with CTCP version requests and when my IRC client tried to answer them all, I got booted by freenode. I have CTCP version on ignore now... by the time #videolan wasn't +R and I was joined
01:03:46moosthere will be a freenode upgrade/migration soon, right?
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01:03:58JdGordon|saturday
01:04:22moosoki
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01:25:41UnhelpfulWebleaving my phone at home == teh suck :/
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01:37:51flybackyou know what would be slick
01:37:55flybackrockbox hddiag
01:38:07Mode"#rockbox +v flyback " by rb_voicebot (n=rb_voice@0x5550f5a3.adsl.cybercity.dk)
01:38:25flybackeven just a port of badblocks
01:38:35flybackor a smart reading util
01:38:43flybackso you could at least tell when the hd is starting to fail
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01:46:10krazykit`flyback, i believe that's a NODO
01:46:18flybackn0d0?
01:47:03krazykit`check out question 10 in docs/NODO
01:47:17*flyback wonders if this is a smart ass remakr or serious :P
01:47:38flybackyep
01:47:42flybacksmart ass remark
01:48:03krazykit`flyback, http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/docs/NODO
01:48:05flybackand host pc can't read the smart info etc
01:48:13flybackbecause it can't directely acces the disk
01:48:15flybackso that page is a FAIL
01:49:09flybackthey should at least add a smart table reader
01:49:51pixelmabecause some nice guy in IRC wants it?
01:49:55flybackI can understand the scandisk thing
01:50:09flybackno because it lets you have a rough idea what shape your mechanical hd is in
01:50:11flybacksheesh
01:50:35flybackit's just a freaking table
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01:50:42flybackdon't even format it just dump to a text file
01:50:46flybackI can read on a host pc
01:50:57flybackjust a ata command and ascii dump
01:51:43flybackdon't even display it in rockbox
01:51:51flybackjust dump the table to a text file
01:52:23flybackplenty of programs out there that will read raw smart log data
01:52:41flybackI don't mind doing all that from a pc I just can't directely talk to the disk to run the command
01:52:50flybackagain this is just an idea :P
01:52:52flybacknot a demand
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01:53:51flybackit's basically the equivalent of cat /proc/smart_table > smartinfo.txt
01:53:52flybackbasically
01:55:29flybackno text formatting, no parsing, just a raw dump to a small text file on the rockbox filesystem and I can then copy that file to a pc to process
01:55:33flybackto check disk health once in a while
01:56:59flybackmabye eventually if I get my #1 health issue resolved I can eventually write the code for this :P
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02:01:45tmztaren't there extensions to usb storage to support this?
02:02:19flybacksome usb to ata controllers did support a pass thru command
02:02:29flybackbut here you are talking about a soc
02:02:32flybackso there's that whole layer
02:02:46flybackinsteresting idea though..............hmmmm :D
02:03:25flybackbrb I am in some serious pain :/
02:03:36tmztwell it's not a soc, it's software, unless you're talking about iPod
02:04:05tmztmost of the soft codec devices that support usb do so from software drivers in the rockbox kernel
02:04:39tmztwhat device has a non solidstate disk anyway that also has soft usb?
02:07:21flybackwell portaplayer is a socx
02:07:25flybacksystem on a chip
02:07:46flybackiriver h10
02:08:19flyback5 gig (well will be 4gb now)
02:12:00UnhelpfulWebwhat actually uses a hardware usb<->ata bridge? archos?
02:12:53rasherUnhelpfulWeb: h100 and h300 also
02:13:15saratogaGigabeat F too i think
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02:15:31UnhelpfulWebthat still leaves quite a few HD targets which could provide direct SMART support over USB... or if the right bits of the ATA driver were exposed, a plugin could provide SMART readings?
02:15:55Strife89|DesktopDammit, what gives?
02:16:16saratogaassuming the controller supports it i guess
02:16:58flybacklike I said
02:17:01flybackraw dump is fine
02:17:06flybackI *CAN* process it from there
02:17:06saratogawell get to work on it
02:17:12flybackplenty of apps, scripts etc :P
02:17:27flybackI just can't execute that command outside of rockbox :P
02:17:30flybackuh
02:17:37*flyback pumps up to dangerous levels of painkillers
02:17:38flybackugh
02:17:41flybackbrb
02:22:44S_a_i_n_t_what's wrong flyback...? "dangerous levels of painkillers" definitely doesn't sound too good....
02:23:11flybackdunno it's been going on for 3+ yrs
02:23:25S_a_i_n_t_where is the pain?
02:23:27flybackalternates between pain and feeling like something hanging out of my backside
02:23:47flybacknot self inflicted :P
02:24:38flybackthey thought it was something in my rectum, did a scope, found nothing I was so bummed out I kinda just gave up
02:24:49flybackbut recentely found a lump that is between front side and backside
02:24:55flybackgoing back to the doc on the 18th
02:24:58flybackfind out
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02:26:22flybackbasically 10+ yrs of IBS has rotted out the system I guess
02:27:12krazykit`all of which was offtopic and should be in -community
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02:28:47JdGordonanyone still awake that has ported rockbox to a new target?
02:28:54flybackok sorry :P
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02:39:04flybackyou guys might have to implement other filesystems other than fat32
02:39:09flybackthx to gestaposoft :p
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03:51:33Strife89Did anyone communicate with PromisedPlanet about him donating a Connect? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=22628.msg159962#msg159962
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04:16:09tmztStrife89: they still at walmart somewhere?
04:16:32tmztnever bought one because I didn't sense hope and didn't have the money then
04:17:25Strife89tmzt: I haven't seen any.
04:17:26tmztthinking about writing a networking stack for emulator on linux using tun device if a suitable open one can not be found
04:17:56tmztI have all these networking classes that treat networking like magic
04:18:06tmztand I want to learn what an skb really is
04:18:29tmztsimulator I mean
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06:28:12JdGordon:) 4 extra lines of code saves 96KB of skin buffer
06:28:37JdGordonassuming of course the wps doesnt specify a backdrop and a .sbs isnt loaded
06:32:56FlynDiceadd 8 lines & double your fun then ;-)
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06:56:12andrewRBhey, is there any way to access the rockbox svn with webDAV?
06:58:37andrewRBto put my question in context; I'm writing a PHP script to checkout the latest rockbox svn revision, apply user-specified/uploaded patches, build and spit out a zip download link, but obviously the first hurdle is interfacing with SVN from PHP
06:59:33andrewRBI've found a class which allows for a few basic operations with an SVN repository set up as, for example, this one; http://php-ajax.googlecode.com/svn/
06:59:56andrewRBbut since rockbox uses viewVC instead, I'm just wondering if there is any way which I'm missing
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07:04:09JdGordonsystem("svn up"); works fine
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07:04:53andrewRBsvn isn't and can't be installed - shared hosting =/
07:05:22andrewRBhence I'm interested in a horribly inefficient pure PHP option
07:08:46JdGordonsounds like you're building what I did ages ago
07:08:53JdGordonI dont have the code for it anymore though
07:10:28andrewRBoh, really? what was it? but yeah, I'm doing it primarily for friends with Cowon D2s who almost all use a patch I wrote, so it can be automatically patched/built etc for them, but finding/writing a pure PHP SVN client is looking a little daunting
07:12:19JdGordonit was choose your target, upload or choose some patches to apply, get an email back with the build url when its finished
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07:15:29andrewRBah, yeah sounds just like what I'm hoping to create. why did you take it down?
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07:17:25JdGordoni got bored with it, and decided people should stop being lazy :p
07:18:16UnhelpfulWebsubmit your patch for inclusion maybe? :)
07:18:48andrewRBhaha, nice. i think i just decided I'm too lazy to bother doing this at all unless/until I have money for a dedicated server so I can turn <expletive> safe mode off ;)
07:19:30andrewRBUnhelpfulWeb: already have, it was met with some heated discussion and a resounding no, despite many D2 users chipping in and begging =P
07:20:35UnhelpfulWebahh... what does this patch do, exactly? ;)
07:21:44andrewRBadds to the keymap so the three tactile buttons can be used to control playback/volume when the hold slider is in place
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07:24:01UnhelpfulWebi can see how "hold doesn't affect some buttons" might be controversial, especially without a setting.
07:24:12JdGordoncool, rombox still fits after my skin changes which are just about ready
07:25:03andrewRBa setting was added, but apparently that made it fall under the "configurable keymaps" category which is also a resounding no ;) it's no big deal, I'm just trying to make it more convenient for the many D2 users
07:28:19pixelmais it possible to detect if a button is held while you flip the hold switch?
07:31:39andrewRBit should be, my hardware knowledge is very limited but the value in the adc should be different
07:32:02pixelmathought this could be a good compromise. You would have a "special keymap mode" - no setting and people who know about it can use it while usual hold is still available
07:32:26UnhelpfulWebpixelma: if the hold switch is a "regular" button i would think so - pre-condition BUTTON_X, post BUTTON_X|BUTTON_HOLD ?
07:32:49pixelmaenter the special mode by holding button X while sliding hold
07:33:17UnhelpfulWebclear it whenever exiting hold, and in special mode volume control works in hold?
07:33:41andrewRBthat is the best constructive suggestion I've heard regarding this, thanks pixelma. I'll look into it sometime
07:34:33pixelmaUnhelpfulWeb: yes, as far as I know that part already works this way
07:34:49*UnhelpfulWeb doesn't really think of settable "some keys function during hold" as being "configurable keymaps"
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07:38:42amiconnUnhelpfulWeb: Quite a number of targets use a hw ata<->usb bridge: Archos Player, recorder v1/v2/fm, Iriver H1x0, H300, iAudio X5, M5, M3, Gigabeat F/X at least
07:39:09pixelma"Player Type" should actually be "every non-colour screen player" but that wasn't available
07:39:13amiconnI.e. all HDD-based SH1 targets, all coldfire targets, plus some more
07:39:49UnhelpfulWebamiconn: still, supporting usb SMART access on soft usb targets might not be completely crazy
07:40:17pixelmaneither was "Iaudio M5/M3" (something for B4gder or Zagor though)
07:40:31amiconnImo the idea to read SMART data in rockbox makes sense (unlike scandisk)
07:41:28amiconnAt least it could be dumped to file from the debug menu
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07:45:32UnhelpfulWebpixelma: hold seems generally to be considered special and not a "normal" button that is mappable. this might be easier to mess with on soft-hold targets, but targets with a hardware hold switch seem to just define a button_hold() which is called before doing anything that would care if hold is on.
07:45:54JdGordonpixelma: that could work on every target with a software hold switch actually.... if a (special or any) key is pressed while hold is being enabled it can change modes
07:46:10JdGordonit will need a bit of work in the button drivers though because they respect the hold button
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07:57:03amiconnJdGordon: I wouldn't consider this fix messy. Wasn't there an event you could send that causes the ui to redraw?
07:57:35JdGordonI'm not sure if it forces the lists to redraw immediatly, only the sbs
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08:23:16amiconnUnhelpfulWeb: Here are my ape test results with svn (-c1000/2000/3000/4000):
08:23:25amiconniPod G2 (PP5002): 163.1%/105.7%/63.4%/22.0%
08:23:35amiconnH10 (PP5020): 152.7%/96.7%/58.0%/20.0%
08:23:40amiconnMini G2 (PP5022): 169.1%/108.0%/64.2%/22.1%
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08:32:39andrewRBis there anywhere i can find mktccboot binaries, by any chance?
08:38:23JdGordondoes anyone have a theme which had the side effects mentioned in http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev;revision=24335 ?
08:40:14UnhelpfulWebamiconn: seems like pp5002 is pretty close for c2000, it and 5022 might just get there with a few more table entries. why does 5020 perform so poorly in comparison? it's only as fast *now* as its relatives *used to be* :/
08:42:40amiconnNobody knows...
08:43:04amiconnPP5020 is ~5% slower than its relatives in general, not just with ape
08:43:31amiconnHmm, your patch is a bit faster for -c1000 and -c2000, but for -c3000 it hangs
08:47:38UnhelpfulWeb*hangs*? weird, i don't think that happened for me :)
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08:49:31amiconnOpen with->test_codec->speed test .... hangs at 'loading'
08:49:48amiconnBoth on iPod G2 and Mini G2 - didn't try on H10
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08:53:55linuxstbandrewRB: I don't think so, no. Doesn't rbutil incorporate that function?
08:55:25andrewRBsure, I guess I was hoping for some - presumably unofficial - pre-built binaries for a few platforms, not that that would be very likely to exist but it was worth an ask :)
08:57:05linuxstbandrewRB: I'm guessing you want a Windows binary?
08:58:08andrewRBno, i already built one of those. I'm trying to run the command from a linux webserver, and can't figure out why it isn't producing any output
08:58:21andrewRBI copied mktccboot from my local linux rockbox build
08:59:38andrewRBhttp://andrewbeveridge.co.uk/RB/command.php?c=mktccboot
08:59:44andrewRBhttp://andrewbeveridge.co.uk/RB/command.php?c=ls
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09:00:02andrewRBpermissions are 777
09:00:32linuxstbandrewRB: This isn't really on-topic for #rockbox, but come to #rockbox-community....
09:00:39andrewRBgood point. thanks.
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09:06:26JdGordonWould a full listing of what a theme consists of make sense in ThemeGuidlines? or somewhere else?
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09:09:17JdGordonarg
09:09:26JdGordonwho thought it was a good idea to build checkwps every commit :p
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09:13:11UnhelpfulWebamiconn: i'll try to repro on e200... unfortunately getting you a new patch if i fix it can't be done too readily
09:13:42CIA-5New commit by 03jdgordon (r24367): fix reds
09:14:25pixelmaI wonder how the colour WPSs that use viewports with " - " work on the greyscale targets. They are available too (see e.g. H100 themes) and won't be rejected by the parser. Last time I tried " - " for grey shades though the result was all white (as it is not a foreground/background "colour" setting)
09:15:09JdGordonwhere do those deltas come from? I increased the skin buffer but not nearly that much, and the delta magic sholdnt see that anyway
09:16:13JdGordonoh, riiiight.... thats not buffer_alloced() yet
09:19:19JdGordonpixelma: LCD_DEFAULT_FG and LCD_DEFAULT_BG, whatever they are defined to
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09:24:55UnhelpfulWebamiconn: i see the trouble, filterbuf64 needs to be 64*3 rather than 32*3... clearly i must not have tested the high sample, or i would've had a crash or hang as well
09:25:26CIA-5New commit by 03jdgordon (r24368): fix the last of the red... note to self, fix backdrop.h!
09:26:17CIA-5New commit by 03jdgordon (r24369): bugger, too tired, didnt mean to commit this.
09:30:30JdGordonwhat do people think about this idea? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=23619.msg161016#msg161016
09:30:45JdGordonshould be pretty easy to code up if its not hated
09:39:10CIA-5New commit by 03jdgordon (r24370): really the last of the red this time
09:39:59UnhelpfulWebyou'll also need to adjust recip_max... i get recip_max of 3856, 8384, and 16384 for pp5002, pp5020, and pp5022/24 respectively
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10:44:32pixelmaJdGordon: are those defined on greyscale targets. and even if - what are they set to?
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12:48:13andrewRBcould anybody assist me or point me to good documentation for setting up a windows cross-compiler please? I want the rockbox tool scramble as a win32 binary
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13:08:11diz_Childhow to extractor the firmware from a .exe?
13:13:16diz_Childis RESHACKER could be a help?
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13:25:44AlexPdiz_Child: What firmware from what .exe?
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13:39:44yzflcyqHave anyone got Rockbox3.5RC for Onda VX747?
13:39:59AlexPThe Onda VX747 isn't a release target
13:40:03AlexPAFAIK
13:40:18yzflcyqWhat a shame
13:40:42andrewRBit's pretty old anyway
13:40:51AlexPSo are many of our other players
13:40:56yzflcyqWill it be added in the later version?
13:41:09andrewRByeah, but they mostly weren't when porting started ;)
13:41:09AlexPPossibly, yes
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13:41:52AlexPyzflcyq: It depends on it meeting the criteria - I don't know what the VX747 is missing, but if someone does the necessary work, then it'll be included
13:42:52yzflcyqI'm using VX747.Rockbox on it is very unstable.Often crash.
13:42:52AlexPyzflcyq: The main problem with the Ondas is that there isn't really anyone working on them
13:43:00AlexPThere you go then
13:43:09AlexPIt isn't ready, and is thus not being released
13:43:26AlexPIt is in the unusable catagory on the website
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13:44:06yzflcyqI've connected some friends that are insterested in it.
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13:44:22yzflcyqHow could we join you?
13:44:24AlexPyzflcyq: That's cool, we'd love it to get further
13:44:40AlexPyzflcyq: Have a look at the code, fix things, submit patches
13:44:43Tornefind something to fix, submit a patch
13:44:47AlexPThat's all it takes :)
13:45:10yzflcyqGot it.
13:46:37yzflcyqI noticed the "WMP11" theme for vx747/777 has been removed.
13:46:46yzflcyqWhy?
13:46:48AlexPyep
13:46:54AlexPCopyrighted images
13:46:56Tornei would guess it uses screengrabbed bitmaps from WMP
13:48:13yzflcyqSo could you give me the zip file?It cannot be downloaded.
13:48:33AlexPNo
13:48:42AlexPIt has been removed to stop people downloading it
13:48:44Torneno, it is illegal to distribute copyrighted images without permission
13:48:58yzflcyqI'm the creater of it,and I need to edit it.
13:49:18andrewRBif you genuinely created it surely you should have the files
13:49:36Tornealso that means you are the one who violated the copyright ti start with, no?
13:50:16yzflcyqAnother question,Why the "Blackglass" hasn't been removed?
13:51:03AlexPIt has, hasn't it?
13:51:14AlexPIf not it shall be removed now
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13:52:29AlexPah, not for the onda
13:52:38yzflcyq...
13:52:42yzflcyqWhy not?
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13:53:43Tornebecause someone overlooked it, probably
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13:55:00yzflcyqTorne:Nice guess.
13:55:35AlexPIt has been now
13:55:57yzflcyqWell done.
13:56:06AlexPThe others got reported, I doubt many people look at the Onda themes
13:56:07yzflcyqYou did really hurt me.
13:56:22AlexPyzflcyq: We respect other people's copyright.
13:56:35AlexPIf you wish to stay/be part of the community then so will you
13:56:38yzflcyqOK.
13:58:08yzflcyqI have found a file whose name with 'ppm'.What's it?
13:58:42Tornean image file, portable pixmap format
13:59:01yzflcyqIs it based on Linux?
13:59:19AlexPlinux is the kernel for an operating system
13:59:23AlexPppm is an image format
13:59:35AlexPOne isn't based on the other
13:59:58yzflcyqIs it used oftenly under Linux
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14:00:05AlexPSo is jpg
14:00:15yzflcyqGot it.
14:00:16AlexPer, sorry - misread
14:00:23AlexPBut really, there is no relation
14:00:40Tornethe "portable" means "designed to work on lots of systems" :)
14:00:53yzflcyqIt's my fault.I asked in a incorrect manner.
14:01:08yzflcyqSee.
14:01:27AlexPyzflcyq: Sorry, I didn't realise
14:02:41yzflcyqLooks like I speak very bad English
14:02:54Torneonly averagely bad
14:03:13Tornemany people do significantly worse, even if they speak it natively :)
14:03:22AlexPyzflcyq: No, it is good enough that I forgot I was speaking to a non-native speaker
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14:03:44AlexPyzflcyq: If it was that bad I would have been looking for other variations in words :)
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14:03:58yzflcyqThanks.
14:04:52yzflcyqOne of my friends will join the chat room at once.
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14:06:15yzflcyqHe is in.His name is wind
14:08:26yzflcyqJust now I saw some themes.
14:08:56yzflcyqThey also have some icons in Windows Media Player.
14:09:04AlexPWhich ones?
14:09:23yzflcyqKratoJet
14:09:29yzflcyqhttp://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?target=sansae200
14:10:02yzflcyqThat 'play' button.
14:10:21AlexPIs that directly from WMP, or is it just drawn to look like it?
14:10:51yzflcyqWinBox
14:11:10yzflcyqAnd this.One of them is directly from WMp.
14:13:14wind I can't open any text file which is more than 1M. Why?
14:13:14AlexPS_a_i_n_t: Where do the WMP icons come from on your WinBox theme?
14:13:19yzflcyqAutobot Glass v1.4
14:13:30AlexPwind: I assume because there is a bug
14:13:36yzflcyqMy theme is based on it.
14:13:50AlexPyzflcyq: Please report these using the report themes button
14:14:31yzflcyqSorry,I didn't catch you.
14:14:39windHow to repair it.
14:15:51AlexPwind: I don't know, you'll need to have a look at the code
14:16:04Tornesomeone was discussing this the other day... can't see a bug in FS for it though
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14:16:19AlexPyzflcyq: If you click on the title of a theme (not the picture) you will be able to report a theme
14:16:25AlexPTorne: I'm sure I've seen one
14:16:27andrewRBhmm, I can open text files > 1MB fine, which target?
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14:16:40*andrewRB is probably misunderstanding
14:16:45TorneandrewRB: i think the consensus before was it depends on target and possibly encoding?
14:16:52AlexPTorne: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10924
14:17:02Torneaha, there we go
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14:18:13yzflcyqSorry,Something wrong with my network.
14:18:20windandrewRB:I use onda vx747.
14:18:27soapbefore you go off deleting more themes - let me check my PM archives. Someone has claimed their WMPish icons are original artwork, not resource rips.
14:19:07yzflcyqSo can I.
14:20:05yzflcyqNow I anounce:All the icons in my theme are my original artwork, not resource rips.
14:20:47AlexPsoap: They are only hidden anyway
14:20:53AlexPsoap: For just such an eventuality
14:20:55soapwell, yzflcyq, the whole entire project is based on the word of the contributers re:copyright. Unless Rockbox decides to create an official Auditor position it will always be that way.
14:21:34AlexPsoap: And they were reported by others, I'm not being pro-active here (and indeed it isn't just me who has hidden these) :)
14:22:01AlexPyzflcyq: Why didn't you say that originally, and only when soap mentioned it?
14:23:00soapdoesn't matter - a reasonable response is now to spend more effort vetting yzflcyq's claims than those of others.
14:23:01yzflcyqI thought it was unnecessary.
14:23:40yzflcyqIt my work(actually It's my friend's and I asked him).
14:24:03AlexPHow was it unnecessary when it was the entire point of the discussion?
14:24:40yzflcyqWell, I've never thought about it.
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14:25:43soapthat's not our fault. You were offered the license text upon submittal.
14:25:49soapdon't dig a deeper hole
14:26:31yzflcyqIn Chinese things like it will be thought was just Imitation,no matter it's your own art work or not.
14:26:48AlexPIt actually matters
14:26:56AlexPAs I said, we respect copyright
14:27:23AlexPThat means you cannot use other people's work without permission
14:27:42yzflcyqSee.
14:29:13yzflcyqSo can I reupload it with a anouncement that it is all art work?
14:29:31yzflcyqSo can I reupload it with a anouncement that it is all my own art work?
14:29:37GodEaterdo we already know about this? http://www.softpedia.com/get/Multimedia/Audio/Other-AUDIO-Tools/Rockbox-Database-Builder.shtml ?
14:30:03soapafter the fiasco you've probably lost your "presumption of innocence"
14:30:41yzflcyqMy fate.
14:31:35AlexPyzflcyq: We need to check it out
14:31:59linuxstbGodEater: I didn't... Here's the homepage - http://sourceforge.net/projects/rbdb/
14:32:03GodEaterTorne: the person talking about the text viewer and >1M files breaking it was pamaury
14:32:26GodEaterlinuxstb: nor me - it's nice. Shame it's not on our wiki somewhere!
14:32:32GodEater(assuming it works of course!)
14:32:40yzflcyqJust check.
14:33:02AlexP"intended to add several features to the rockbox database that the rockbox firmware does not currently implement."
14:33:12AlexPSo I wonder what they do
14:33:23linuxstbGodEater: Downloading the source, I see it's written in python, rather than using the Rockbox C code.
14:33:29pixelmaregarding the +1MB text files - there is probably a difference in whether you open it in the text viewer or the editor
14:34:12yzflcyqI personally think C is better than python.
14:34:22yzflcyqMuch efficently.
14:34:34GodEaterAlexP: I wondered at that too
14:34:39TorneAlexP: i would guess they write values into the various fields which are different to what we infer from the metadata
14:34:40GodEaterit must work magic
14:34:57Tornelike the trick to insert comments containing multiple field values so you can display them in tagnavi to get around the restriction
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14:35:06Torne(the year-album thing)
14:35:11GodEaterah yes
14:35:15GodEaterclever
14:35:22AlexPMuch as I don't use it, the database really could use some love
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14:35:25Tornepure speculation :)
14:35:46Tornebut it seems like something you might well want to do with such a tool that wouldn't be very difficult.
14:35:55GodEateryes - I gave up trying to get that sorting all tracks by album (but not displaying the album name) thing to work
14:36:04GodEaterit just data aborts the dap
14:36:15GodEaterit doesn't seem like such a silly thing to want to do
14:36:23Torneyeah. the db is just not flexible enough
14:37:09yzflcyqA stupid question from me.
14:37:44yzflcyqIs rockbox gonna add Chinese support?
14:37:54AlexPIt does, doesn't it?
14:38:06AlexPIf you select a suitable font and code page
14:38:20AlexPI don't know how complete the translation is though
14:38:32yzflcyqThe point I ask is that a Chinese inputer.
14:38:37*GodEater doesn't think this is a particularly stupid question either
14:38:51TorneThat would be difficult
14:38:56AlexPah right
14:38:58windpixelma:open it in the text viewer,but then 747 become a balck screen.
14:39:02GodEateryes, a chinese text editor would be tough
14:39:17AlexPCould you do it to an extent with a customised virtual keyboard?
14:39:22yzflcyqAh,bad tranlate for chinese.
14:39:23Torneyzflcyq: how does chinese text input work on PCs? Is it similar to Japanese IMEs? (type in kana, translates to kanji for you)?
14:39:44yzflcyqAlmost the same.
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14:40:23Torneyou can make a keyboard which has the syllables, and type in those (i forget what they are called for chinese)
14:40:43Tornebut doing the conversion to proper characters would be very difficult, we have nothing like the IME facility
14:40:51yzflcyqInput 'wo',translates to '我' and other same-sound characters.
14:41:02Tornehm
14:41:46AlexPyzflcyq: Translation updates from native speakers are always very welcome
14:42:12yzflcyqYeah.I do want to help you translate it.
14:42:50Torneyzflcyq: are we talking about something that needs a few dozen or a few thousand charcaters, though? I don't know the proper terms for chinese but it would not be difficult to have a rockbox keyboard that let you type in katakana for Japanese, we just couldn't do the step where it translates a string of katakana into a kanji
14:42:55yzflcyqBut,how to?
14:43:18funmanyzflcyq: download the translation file and complete/correct it
14:43:30AlexPUnfortunaltely rasher's translation tool is currently broken
14:43:46AlexPrasher: That is a problem with the host, yes?
14:43:59yzflcyqThen how to upload/commit a translatetion?
14:44:00AlexPIf so, would it be possible to get it running on the Rockbox server?
14:44:04rasherAlexP: Yeah, maybe I should look into having scorche host it
14:44:15AlexPyzflcyq: Pop a patch on flyspray
14:44:32yzflcyqI've never known the translate tool.
14:44:39AlexPrasher: It is such a useful tool for Rockbox, it seems a shame not to have it available :)
14:44:49rasherI agree, really
14:45:26rasherscorche: Feel like hosting translate.rockbox.org or something like that?
14:45:44rasherI guess I should clean up the source a bit and stick it in svn at the same time
14:45:52AlexPThat'd be cool
14:46:11yzflcyqLooks like I really do need the tool.
14:46:34AlexPyzflcyq: It makes it a lot easier, although it is possible without
14:47:03yzflcyqSo?
14:47:25yzflcyqThen Without it How can I translate?
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14:48:26Tornehttp://www.rockbox.org/wiki/LangFiles
14:48:36yzflcyqReading.
14:50:12yzflcyqAh,diffcult for me.
14:51:07yzflcyqI remember rasher.dk can be visited.
14:53:00yzflcyqDo anyone have the translate tool?
14:53:45Torneno.
14:54:03TorneThat's what people were discussing above: having it available on the rockbox site as an officially supported thing
14:54:51yzflcyqPerfect.
14:55:19Torneso, maybe that will happen :)
14:55:56yzflcyqIt hard to build a translate Environment under Ubuntu.
14:56:19Torneit shouldn't be..
14:57:09yzflcyqWhat?
14:57:29Torneit should be fairly easy to set up any kind of rockbox development on debian/ubuntu
14:57:36Tornecompiling, manual building, translating
14:57:52Tornehave you actually tried?
14:58:12yzflcyqNot completely
14:58:17yzflcyqyep.
14:58:31windA stupid question:Can I play GB games with gamepad on onda747?
14:59:03Tornewhat problems did you have?
14:59:11Torneperhaps the instructions need to be improved
14:59:28windAs you know 747 only has four button.
14:59:51yzflcyqAcutully it's five.
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15:00:02yzflcyqHold is also one.
15:00:15windI just want to play games using gamepad
15:00:50rasherYou don't need to setup anything to be able to translate, actually.
15:01:04rasherOnly if you want to build Rockbox afterwards to test the translation
15:01:10Tornewind: what do you mean, gamepad?
15:01:24yzflcyqSo I decided to translate it under Windows.
15:01:27windHold is included
15:01:41Torneyou can change the button mappings in rockboy
15:01:47yzflcyqMean Controller
15:01:54windUsing gamepad play GB games
15:02:01Torneso if the game you are playing is playable with only the buttons the onda has, then you can
15:02:08Tornebut if the game needs more than 4/5 buttons then probably not :)
15:02:40pixelmathe Ondas have a 400x240 screen, right?
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15:03:04yzflcyq240x400
15:03:08windright
15:03:26yzflcyq240x400 under rockbox
15:04:34windSo,I think we can try to change the codes to support the gamepad
15:04:49Tornewhat gamepad?
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15:05:11Torneyou can map the onda's buttons to whatever gameboy buttons is useful for the game you are playing
15:05:18windHold on a minute
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15:05:51pixelmaI always wondered if it would be possible (or how complicated it is) for those touchscreen targets to adapt the plugin to the slightly smaller screen graphics and have touch areas like "buttons" alongside in the rest of the screen
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15:06:52Tornepixelma: probably - the screen is more than large enough
15:07:12Torneyou could display the buttons on the touchscreen below the screen in a similar layout to the actual gameboy :)
15:07:43yzflcyqSet some Virtual buttons on both sides of the screen?
15:08:42pixelmayes. But it will be some work on the plugins to allow this control method (I guess, I'm not a coder)
15:08:49windI have a picture
15:09:00windHow to upload
15:09:20yzflcyqpixelma:So am I.
15:10:20Tornepixelma: to a limited extent you can already use the touchscreen, it's in grid mode
15:10:28Torneso you can treat the touchscreen as 9 more buttons
15:11:01yzflcyqGot it.But it's diffcult to use.
15:11:30TorneYes, quite possibly :)
15:12:06Tornewind: post it on http://picpaste.com/
15:12:48yzflcyqAnd is rockbox gonna to add some new UIs based on touch-screen?
15:13:03Tornein rockboy specifically, or in general?
15:13:05yzflcyqLike...slide touch?
15:13:14Tornethere are people working o nmaking more screens use the touchscreen in a more natural way
15:13:21Tornebut i don't think anyone is looking at this for rockboy right now
15:13:43yzflcyqUnder the hole rockbox,not only rockboy.
15:14:06windIn China,a man named tomac has already designed a gamepad on Ondas
15:14:37windI am loading the documents
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15:15:38yzflcyqwind:you have new name,なぎひこ
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15:17:35windI thing if wo can play games using gamepad,then the rockbox became perfect!
15:18:39Tornei still don't understand what you mean by gamepad
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15:18:48yzflcyqImpossible and unnecessary
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15:19:25windhttp://cid-25d170e0c1bf0b49.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/.Public/FC%e6%89%8b%e6%9f%84%e5%9b%be%e8%a7%a3%e6%95%99%e7%a8%8b.doc
15:19:47yzflcyqChinese document?
15:20:05windright
15:20:22windI am sorry
15:21:26yzflcyqAbout what?
15:21:34windThis document has explain the word "Gamepad"
15:22:44yzflcyqI personally think nobody well read it,unless understand it.
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15:24:01windTorne:I can't open http://picpaste.com/ ,so I choose SkyDrive
15:24:09yzflcyqSo anyone is Japanese?
15:24:59Torneright, i see
15:25:09Torneyes, someone could write a rockbox driver for that hardware
15:25:22Tornethough I don't know how good a framework we have for handling that kind of thing being plugged and unplugged
15:25:30Torneit's unlikely any of hte developers would wnat to, though
15:25:35Torneunless they had such a device :)
15:25:44Torneand you would need to have one to test it.
15:25:59Torneplus if that's the only documentatoin for it, it would hav eto be someone who understands chinese :)
15:25:59yzflcyqunnecessary
15:27:03Tornealso we don't really have a way of loading drivers dynamically so if such a thing were supported it would be compiled into the main binary
15:27:08Tornewhich would increase the binary size for everyone :(
15:27:14Torneso.. i would guess it's not *likely*
15:27:16yzflcyqYep.
15:27:18Torneit is physically possible though.
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15:27:52Zagorhttp://bjorn.haxx.se/blog/2010/01/29/pluggable-rockbox-screen-transitions/
15:28:02Zagoran idea I've been toying with
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15:28:27yzflcyqIt's a large project to support those device.
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15:28:53Torneyzflcyq: not really large, it looks pretty simple
15:29:11Torneif someone with the relevant skills actually *had* such a device they could probably write a driver for it in a day or two
15:29:17Torneassuming they cared :)
15:29:23gevaertsZagor: I'd like the ability to easily support all sorts of plugins, but I think this sort of thing realistically needs a variable-address plugin loader
15:30:05Zagorright, I'm seeing these as special plugins with their own plugin space
15:30:12Tornesomeday when i have infinite time i will experiment with elf2flt and friends
15:30:25Torneand see how feasible it would be for us to compile plugins to flt binaies and load them
15:30:45Torneif it can be made to work the overhead of loading is probably fairly tiny
15:30:48gevaertsthat works of course, but every new plugin idea will make RAM usage more inefficient
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15:31:26Zagorgevaerts: yep
15:31:51Torneof course someone else could do it first :)
15:31:57*gevaerts would also like WPS visualisation plugins, and possibly USB class driver plugins
15:32:31Torneon the subject of USB classes can we change the bloody usb screen so it says something other than just "Multimedia Mode" to indicate the HID profile?
15:33:07Tornethat's another thing i have lost count of how many people have been confused by :)
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15:34:28gevaertsyes please
15:34:44Zagorgevaerts: otoh I suppose the transition plugin could live in the current plugin space, and only be used by the core.
15:34:55Tornenot that i know what to change it to
15:35:33Zagorwhen you run a plugin it simply overwrites the transition code, and when you exit the plugin you reload the transition
15:35:51Torneyou could do that
15:35:56Tornebut it seems a bit of a fiddle :)
15:36:28gevaertsZagor: isn't there a bit in the core somewhere that already uses the plugin buffer for its own needs?
15:36:36Zagoris it?
15:37:08Tornewell ok it's not absurd.
15:37:18Tornebut i do think *someone* should investigate whether flt would work for us :
15:37:21gevaertsthe playlist viewer or something like that
15:37:31Tornei would do it but, er, you know ;)
15:37:45Zagorgevaerts: bah, who wants a playlist viewer instead of eye candy? ;-)
15:37:55gevaerts:)
15:37:59windI hane another question.Who can explain to me the difference between USB modes?
15:38:22Tornewind: they control what keypresses the player generates on the host PC using the HID interface
15:38:36Torneit has no effect on using it as a mass storage device (or on charging)
15:38:56Tornemultimedia mode means when you press play/stop/etc on the player it generates the keycodes for play/stop/etc as used by multimedia keyboards
15:39:05Tornethe othe rmodes make the player simulate a mouse, or a presentation remote, or various others
15:39:23gevaertsZagor: the point is that with proper PIC plugins, we can have *more* eyecandy!
15:39:32Zagoragreed
15:40:05windTorne:Thanks!
15:40:42rasherTorne: "Multimedia key mode"?
15:41:07Tornegevaerts: well, relocatable plugins. actual PIC probably sucks beyond redemption for our purposes as i discovered before ;)
15:41:24Torne(and even if it could be made to work it would be slightly slower for everything)
15:41:30gevaertsTorne: I don't care about names :)
15:41:44Tornerasher: i was thinking a prefix or something
15:41:51Tornedunno how much 'room' we have considering all targets though
15:41:56TorneKeypad mode: multimedia
15:41:57Torne?
15:42:08Torneto me that makes it much more clear that it's unrelated to storage
15:42:26Torneor just key mode..
15:42:34rasherZagor: would you be fine with a translate.rockbox.org which had my translation stuff hosted by.. probably scorche if he's up for it
15:42:47Zagorsure
15:42:51windBut I am still confused, how to use while charging
15:43:14Tornehold whichever key it says to hold in the manual, while you insert hte usb cable
15:43:31Tornethe "mode" thing displayed is not anything to do with that either
15:44:08*Torne attempts to "perfect" the pp5020 dma patch :)
15:45:02evilnick_BTorne: Button mode?
15:45:31windThank you!Torne
15:47:36andrewRBplease could anyone with a working build environment and mingw set up build scramble.exe for me?
15:48:35rasherZagor: are you the guy to prod for dns changes?
15:48:41Zagoryes
15:49:46rasherAlright, I'll yell eventually
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16:12:55jsiddallI have a Sansa Clip v1. I would like it to boot Rockbox by default when USB is connected, and only load the OF when the left button is pressed. I had a look at the code in rbutil/mkamsboot/dualboot/dualboot.S and think I have a solution, but since getting this wrong would brick the thing I would like confirmation of the change.
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16:13:25Tornejsiddall: pastebin it
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16:16:09GodEaterI thought bootloaders on the AMS models could brick them anyway for no good reson?
16:18:06linuxstbGodEater: There are in effect two bootloaders - the very simple dual-boot code (that checks for a button press and branches appropriately) which is in that .S file jsiddall referred to, and then the main bootloader.
16:18:31GodEaterand which is the dangerous one?
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16:18:39linuxstbChanges to the main bootloader should be safe, even though it's flashed, as a broken bootloader shouldn't break dual-booting.
16:18:53linuxstbdualboot.S is the dangerous one. I wouldn't want to touch it...
16:19:03jsiddallYeah, that's why I am worried!
16:19:10jsiddallStill, the change is pretty simple:
16:19:12jsiddallhttp://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=m32838ded
16:19:43TorneNo, that's wrong
16:19:51TorneThat won't compile
16:19:56GodEateralso, chrome doesn't like that link!
16:19:59Torneso fortunately you won't be able to brick your player that way :)
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16:20:08Torneno wait i'm blind
16:20:11Tornepardo nme :)
16:20:41Torneit should be ok as long as nothing else depends on the register loads there..
16:20:42*Torne checks
16:22:06jsiddallAll I am trying to do is skip the check for whether USB is connected
16:22:26jsiddallAny predictions of my odds for success?
16:22:30TorneThat looks like it should be fine
16:22:39Tornehowever if it bricks your player then this is Not My Fault(tm) :)
16:22:55jsiddallYeah, I know there are no guarantees for success here!
16:23:12jsiddallNext question: How do I compile mkamsboot?
16:23:25jsiddallConfigure with a "Normal" compile doesn't seem to do it
16:24:09TorneNo, the stuff under rbutil is built entirely seperately
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16:25:14jsiddallOK, so just cd in there and make?
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16:28:06linuxstbjsiddall: One thing I would definitely do before installing a new firmware is to disassemble it, and make sure that looks OK.
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16:28:34mr45am trying rockbox on it but no joy
16:28:48mr45maybe coz its V2?
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16:29:03jsiddallSorry about the first link. This should be better: http://pastebin.com/m32838ded
16:29:07mr45hey guys has anyone got a sansa fuze?
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16:36:34jsiddalllinuxstb: Hmmm... I'm not a developer so this is stretching me. Can you give me a command to disassemble? I'll see if I can figure it out from there.
16:37:33Torneif you don't know what the command is to disassemble a binary then, er, you probably aren't going to be able to read the results particularly well either
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16:41:43linuxstbjsiddall: You can do "arm-elf-objdump -D -b binary -m arm file.bin > file.txt"
16:41:44jsiddallPErhaps
16:41:48Strife89Hmmm, if I complete the Cabbie port, can't the GoGear SA9200 be moved to Unstable?
16:42:14jsiddallBut I don't know C or assembly either, and I _might_ have figured out how to modify the bootloader!
16:42:30mr45hey guys do u know if the developers are going to do rockbox on the sansa fuze v2?
16:42:43Strife89I was told that the GoGear needs a Cabbie port AND image conversions for the plugins, but that strikes me as odd.
16:43:06Strife89Since the description of Unstable says that Rockbox is "incomplete" on those targets.
16:43:43jsiddallmr45: latest info for Sansa ports are here: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14064.0
16:45:20mr45yeah been looking at it now, all 92 pages heh
16:46:57mr45cheers tho :)
16:47:17linuxstbjsiddall: But why do you want Rockbox to start when the USB cable is attached? I didn't think Rockbox had USB support on the AMS Sansas yet?
16:47:47jsiddallIt does support USB for charging. I want to use the Clip in car mode where no PC is attached.
16:48:08jsiddallOF with USB attached essentially breaks car mode
16:48:31linuxstbSo it doesn't distiguish between a USB charger and a computer?
16:48:32FlynDicejsiddall: be very careful. You are not modifying the bootloader you are modifying dualboot.s. This is the one thing that has a high chance of bricking your player if you screw it up. And you just said yhat you don't know C or asm...
16:48:48Tornelinuxstb: no, the GPIO pin it looks at doesn't know the difference
16:49:03Torneit looks like the pin is just "is anything plugge dinto the usb port"
16:49:18jsiddallYeah, if it could detect whether a PC or charger was connected that would be sweet
16:49:57Tornewell when we support USB it can do that, probably...
16:50:10jsiddallFlynDice: And yes, I know I in dangerous territory here. Thus asking about my patch before using it.
16:50:29jsiddall...but by the time USB is supported there may be no need for the OF at all!
16:50:58Tornewe generally support dual booting anyway, though
16:51:20jsiddallFlynDice: Could you check http://pastebin.com/m32838ded and let me know if you see anything scary?
16:51:22Torneif it's possible, we try and support it even if there's no actual *need* to use the OF - some people still use the OF for somethings.
16:51:54jsiddallYeah, no harm in allowing the OF I guess. The clip still doesn't support recording so I guess there is still at least one reason to keep the OF.
16:53:10FlynDicejsiddall: You don't want me checking, I'd suggest linuxstb or funman.....
16:53:55Tornejsiddall: your patch is right, as far as it's possible to tell
16:54:08jsiddallOK, well one endorsement is good enough for me to try it. Thanks!
16:54:10Tornethat block of instructions is isolated
16:54:20Tornenone of the subsequent code depends on the values of r0/r1 that it sets
16:54:23jsiddallYeah, looked pretty innocent.
16:54:29Torneand nothing subsequently uses GPIOA either
16:54:46Torneso even if it doesn't work somehow you *should* still be able to boot the OF by holding the button
16:54:48gevaertsjsiddall: I suspect that you'll also need some modifications to the main build to not have it reboot later on. Those aren't dangerous though, so you can just try and see
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17:08:24jsiddalllinuxstb:OK, I got the dissassembled bin. I see stuff from 0-1c, a bunch of swinv 0x00ffffff to 200, some more stuff until 21c, then more swinv 0x00ffffff until 400 where I see ldr pc, [pc, #216] ; 0x4e0. There is also stuff at 420, 428 and 430. Things appear to be in the right spots according to mkamsboot.c but since I don't have a clue what most of that is doing I likewise have no clue if it will work. Care to look at a
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17:08:50funmanFlynDice: hi, i noticed your message on the forum, you prefer to discuss this on irc ?
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17:09:34linuxstbjsiddall: Yes, I don't mind taking a quick look at your bin file (send me the bin. not the disassembly)
17:09:36funmanjsiddall: the diff you pasted looks correct, you'll still have the left button as a safety
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17:10:06funmanif you want to apply it, first run make in mkamsboot/dualboot/ and then copy the dualboot.c and dualboot.h to mkamsboot/ , overwriting the ones already present
17:10:07jsiddallfunman: OK, that's what I need. Thanks for having a look
17:11:00funmanif it were for me, I would just start the Clip before starting the motor engine, but you're free to choose otherwise of course
17:11:33funman(hm, are you the person who want to use the clip in his car ?)
17:12:03jsiddallShows you how lazy I am! I really don't want to have to pull it out of the glove box every time I drive.
17:12:07jsiddallYes
17:12:24jsiddallThere is someone else who asked for this also so I am not alone it appears.
17:12:56funmantrue, but personally i don't mind extra paranoia
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17:28:27andrewRBis there still a daily 7z source package?
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17:30:58Torneno.
17:31:00Torneuse svn.
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17:32:52andrewRBokiedokes. already am. just figured the wiki ought to be updated, many pages still reference it and link to the build page
17:40:54jsiddalllinuxstb: Sending you new bin file now. I diffed the disassembled bins and I see only reasonable changes at 4, 204, 400, and then a ton of changes from 444 on.
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17:41:32jsiddallandrewRB: Agreed about the wiki updates
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17:46:05Strife89Could someone take a look at the Cabbie port before I make a patch for it?
17:46:17Strife89The port is for the GoGear SA9200.
17:51:11Strife89Here's a shot of the e200 port that I used for reference. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1905158/dump%20100129-110812.bmp
17:51:25Strife89Here is a shot of the GoGear port. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1905158/dump%20100129-113651.bmp
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17:56:16Strife89PNG version of the e200 shot: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1905158/dump%20100129-110812.png
17:56:30Strife89PNG version of the GoGear shot: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1905158/dump%20100129-113651.png
17:57:15gevaertsI don't really like the missing album name, but then I don't use cabbie anyway because it doesn't show the composer
17:58:06Strife89gevaerts: I have it display the album name if there's no album art.
17:58:37Strife89gevaerts: As shown here: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1905158/dump%20100129-113953.png
17:59:03gevaertsyes, but still
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18:37:39Strife89http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10937
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18:39:23JdGordonpixelma: they are defined, you'de have to check export/lcd.h to find out to what
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18:47:20jsiddallGood news and bad news: First the good: The updates to bootloader for Clip to allow RB boot with USB connected worked! No brick −− yay!
18:48:24jsiddallBad news: as gevaerts speculated it immediately reboots once it loads RB. Any hints about where to start looking for that change?
18:49:10FlynDicehow far does it get in rockbox?
18:49:31jsiddallTo the point of displaying the menu... basically all the way
18:49:49jsiddallThere is obviously something watching for a USB connection
18:50:05bertrikjsiddall, is this the clip, or the clip+ ?
18:50:08jsiddallClip[
18:50:14jsiddallMake that Clip
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18:50:21jsiddallV1
18:50:37gevaertsjsiddall: I suspect that the easiest is to change firmware/target/arm/as3525/usb-as3525.c
18:50:53jsiddallThanks, I'll look there
18:50:55gevaertslook for the usb_detect() function, and make it always return USB_EXTRACTED
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18:52:48jsiddallEasy enough. I'll swap return USB_INSERTED; with return USB_EXTRACTED;
18:53:30jsiddallIt looks like I could also just remove the #if defined(SANSA_CLIP)
18:53:30jsiddall#define USB_DETECT_PIN 6 stuff
18:53:51jsiddallThat might be cleaner
18:53:53gevaertsI'd just remove everything except the return USB_EXTRACTED; line. No need to spend time actually looking at the pin
18:54:09jsiddallExactly
18:54:27gevaertsoh yes, you're right
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18:54:57bertrikWhat exactly are you working on? I though dual boot already worked for the clip v1.
18:55:04gevaertsbertrik: exactly :)
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18:55:30AlexPbertrik: So if you power on with usb connecte you go to Rockbox charging, not OF USB
18:55:32jsiddallDual boot works _unless_ you plug in USB. Then it is single boot OF only
18:55:34gevaertsHe wants to *always* boot into rockbox by default, and stay there, regardless of USB being plugged in
18:55:35AlexPbertrik: For car use
18:55:54jsiddallYes, all this is to make car mode not broken
18:56:35ThS|BulletHi all I'd like to know if someone can help me to choose the right gcc and binutils to build the svn for my iRiver H3x0
18:57:04jsiddallThe clip is one of a presumably small set of players that can really work well in car mode because it automatically starts the FW as soon as power is connected. Most players seem to require manual intervention to start.
18:58:13gevaertsThS|Bullet: the recommended toolchain is the one built by tools/rockboxdev.sh in the source
18:59:48ThS|Bulletthx gevaerts :)
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19:00:44ThS|BulletIs that script recent?
19:01:55jsiddallI just used it yesterday and it worked for compiling a Sansa
19:02:12jsiddall...on a F12 system
19:04:15AlexPThS|Bullet: No, it has been around for years
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19:04:49AlexPIt gets the correct versions of the cross compilers and patches them as required
19:05:02ThS|Bulletsuch a shame i didn't saw him before =x
19:05:51ThS|BulletI've always tried to build the svn but i never succeed
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19:06:35jsiddallIt worked first time for me. In my experience that is a spectacular result.
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19:12:40Bullet`what does the script mean by " make your path include"?
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19:13:01AlexPBullet`: Do you know what the PATH variable is
19:13:05AlexP+?
19:13:26Bullet`yes
19:13:41AlexPAdd the things it tells you to that
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19:14:46Bullet`mmmh so i don't think i know what is a the PATH variable (i thought of an environement variable)
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19:19:35Bullet`AlexP, do I have to do that? export PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/m68k-elf/bin
19:20:14AlexPBullet`: Yes, that'll do it temporarily
19:21:06AlexPYou can add that line "~/.bashrc" to do it permanently
19:23:14Bullet`i think i'll do that thank you
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19:32:26Bullet`thanks all it worked fine =)
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19:41:58PaulJamhi, was the "ui viewport" setting in the .cfg files removed recently? it doesn't seem to work for me anymore.
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19:48:13bertrikStrife89, I'm no theme expert, but I think your cabbie port for the gogear 9200 looks nice
19:49:37pixelmaPaulJam: maybe onr of JdGordon's recent commitd did
19:49:41pixelmacommits too
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19:51:33PaulJamYes, looks like it. with the latest daily build (r24365) it still works.
19:52:56PaulJamJdgordon: could you have a look at the "ui viewport" setting from the theme.cfg? it doesn't seem to work anymore.
19:53:33pixelmanot sure if he wanted to commit this all in one but I think it is removed on purpose, as you can get the same effect with an sbs file
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19:55:31pixelmathere was a major complication with the ui viewport and the list viewport in the base skin because it involved calculating the intersection of the two and whatnot
19:55:35JdGordon|yes, it was removed on purpose... its not actually removed, only ignore if the sbs specifies one
19:55:55Strife89bertrik: :)
19:57:59Strife89bertrik: I know that Lambda owns a 9200; he says he's going to check it out tonight. I'd like to see it commited soon. :)
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20:00:07Strife89bertrik: And I'm no theme expert either. The only original theme I've ever tried to make was a total flop, and I scrapped it.
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20:08:03PaulJamJdGordon|: the sbs file didn't contain a %Vi... line. i now added that line to the sbs and the statusar looks normal again. thanks for the hint.
20:09:17JdGordon|then the sbs shuold never have worked
20:10:31JdGordon|pixelma: where would be the best place to put a full listing of what consitutes a theme? ThemeGuidlines?
20:14:14JdGordon|PaulJam: ah right, yes it would have worked previously because the system was (IMO) messed up
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20:50:59amiconnUnhelpful: Is there a reason to not go beyond 16384 table entries?
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21:01:20JdGordon|rasher: how much effort would be needed to move the icon set gallery from the wii to the theme site? and would that be something worth doing?
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21:11:29*JdGordon| decides to repurpose RockboxThemes
21:20:20mtgeekmanHas anyone looked into putting rockbox on the Visual Land V-Touch media player? its an ipod touch knock off.
21:21:58JdGordon|nope
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21:38:43amiconnUnhelpful: Here are my speed results with the (fixed) patch (http://rockbox.pastebin.ca/1771177). Order is -c1000/2000/3000/4000:
21:39:20amiconniPod G2 (PP5002) 165.8/106.7/63.8/16.7 %
21:39:42amiconnH10 (PP5020) 153.3/97.0/58.1/21.0 %
21:40:05amiconnMini G2 (PP5022) 169.6/108.2/64.2/21.6 %
21:40:53amiconnIf you compare with svn speeds, you can clearly see the effect of the out-of-iram filter buffer for -c4000 on PP5002
21:46:07JdGordon|AlexP: does http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/RockboxThemes in any way clean up the confusion between sbs and everything?
21:47:31AlexPJdGordon|: I'll have a shufti
21:48:44JdGordon|also, can we rename the "WPS and Appearance" forum?
21:49:05JdGordon|maybe "Themeing support" or something?
21:49:22AlexPYou need an admin for that
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21:49:34JdGordon|you arent special enough?
21:49:39AlexPNope :(
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21:49:50JdGordon|aawww :p
21:49:54AlexPI know :)
21:50:03JdGordon|scorche:^
21:50:05AlexPAnd that page is clearer, thanks
21:50:30AlexPPersonally, the main confusion came from the name custom statusbar
21:50:59JdGordon|sure, but I tihnk its also nice that we articulate exactly what a theme is now
21:51:09AlexPoh, definately
21:51:28JdGordon|do you know if the colours file format is in the wiki anywhere?
21:51:35AlexPI *think* so
21:51:41AlexPWhere is another question :)
21:52:00JdGordon|ah, found it :)
21:52:15AlexPJdGordon|: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/CustomFiletypeColours
21:52:19AlexPah, too slow :)
21:52:39AlexPJdGordon|: And it is a .colours file
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21:54:51Unhelpfulamiconn: i can check again with my dev system but i believe that was the largest size that fit iram and was a valid ARM immediate. the targets with larger amounts of space free for tables can only change table size in rather large increments due to the restrictions on ARM immediates
21:57:47Unhelpfulpp5020 seems to have become faster on c4000? might just be down to sampling error but you have it going from 20.0% in svn to 21.0% patched
21:58:12amiconnAh, makes sense
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21:58:56amiconnYeah. Seems on PP5020 the iram is a bit slower than the cache?!
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21:59:34amiconnI don't think sampling error is that large
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22:00:41Unhelpfuli doubt it is either. did i see that you were thinking about fusing some of the APE filter operations? presumably to save one set of load/store?
22:01:23amiconnyes
22:01:43amiconnIt will save an operand load
22:01:58amiconn(per sample*filter_order)
22:02:42amiconnIf the sample is non-zero, that is (but zero samples are rare...)
22:03:18JdGordon|hmm.. whats the max framerate the colour targets can do?
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22:03:31amiconnDepends very much on the target
22:04:00JdGordon|in general, <100FPS? <200?
22:04:08JdGordon|colour targets I only care about
22:04:31amiconnhttp://www.rockbox.org/wiki/LcdFrameRate
22:05:45JdGordon|the formatting looks messed up :(
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22:26:59pixelmait's not, it just lloks messy due to the alternatimg colours and the diiferent grouping of rows (or rowspan)
22:27:30pixelmalooks even
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22:34:56linuxstbpixelma: Compare http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/LcdFrameRate?rev=49 and http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/LcdFrameRate?rev=50
22:40:46*linuxstb fixes
22:40:51amiconnHmm?
22:41:01amiconnThere's nothing wrong with the formatting...
22:41:25linuxstbThe second header row was wrong. Or at least it was for me...
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22:41:44pixelmar49 didn't have those rowspan things - I guess though that the page still looked nicely with twiki. The header looks wrong yeah
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22:42:42amiconnHmm, it's a bug in foswiki
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22:43:07amiconnThe header also used rowspan, and this did work in twiki
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23:35:38scorcheTorne: if you didnt get the pictures from yzwhatever, chinese input in windows at least is usually done by a program (this is the most common program at least) that when started, acts like another bar that sits above the taskbar and users type pinyin into whereever they want it to appear. Then, when they have finished typing the romanised phonetics, they are presented with multiple options with numbers attached to chinese characters which
23:35:49scorcheand it replaces the text with the character
23:36:38scorcherasher: i am fine with hosting your translation tool (and anything else you need, really)
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23:38:06rasherscorche: excellent - can you set up a vhost like "translate.rockbox.org" and host it inside the themes account? I'll fake the dns locally for now and prod zagor once I've got it going
23:38:29rasherOr create a new account, but having it inside themes means more people can fix it when it goes wrong
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23:46:39CIA-5New commit by 03bluebrother (r24372): Adjust to the buildserver now using ipod4g instead of ipod4gray.
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