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#rockbox log for 2010-01-30

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00:10:36flybackYAY
00:10:39flybackTHE HD CAME TODAY
00:10:41*flyback dances
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00:57:42Unhelpfulam i missing something, or is the second store here superfluous? it looks as if it's storing the value it just loaded: http://pastie.org/801244
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01:14:43*S_a_i_n_t looks at bluebroth3r's last commit and wonders if it means what he thinks it does.
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01:16:37amiconnUnhelpful: Fused vector operations speed up the filters by ~10%
01:17:35amiconnUnhelpful: The first store advances r3...
01:18:21amiconn(~10% on PP, tested only on PP5022 so far)
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01:20:17Unhelpfulamiconn: ahhhh! that explains it, then... i noticed this while i was looking at what our SATURATE(x) compiled to. our method is what the ASDG says, as well, although they use ldr =0x7fff, which would be a terrible idea on armv4 ;)
01:21:34amiconnThe fused vector op filter still doesn't make -c2000 play without skipping, but it brings the -c3000 filter *for the filter alone* to ~120% realtime
01:21:57amiconnThat means -c3000 will most probably be playable with dual-core ape
01:24:50Unhelpfulexcellent... i'm going to go ahead and commit the stuff for moving the 256+ filter buffers and code out of iram, i think. the gain isn't large but there's really no good reason *not* to sacrifice speed on profiles that can never reach RT to get better performance on ones that are close
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02:04:33Unhelpfulhrm, actually, i do think i can improve slightly on SATURATE - we can produce x>>31 in the result register for use in an alternate test (x>>31 == x>>15), overwrite it with with x if the test passes, eor it with 0x7fff fi the test fails. i had to inline asm most of it to make it happen, though, as gcc can't seem to generate decent code for this construction.
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02:13:06Unhelpfulgcc kind of, sort of gets it right but insists on forming 0x7fff in a register, when it could instead eor with 0x7f00 and then 0xff as immediates
02:21:06jsiddallGreat news: I now have a Sansa Clip v1 that has a fully working car mode. It has auto stop _and_ auto start by USB power. OF can be loaded by pressing the left button like usual. Big thanks to everyone who helped get me here. Others have requested this capability and I don't mind sharing but I am looking for recommendations on _how_ to do this.
02:22:45Unhelpfuljsiddall: probably open an FS task with a patch for your work? that way somebody with commit access can review it for commit. if it's really trivial you might just pastebin the patch, but this probably needs somebody with the right specific knowledge for review, i would think.
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02:27:59jsiddallIt really is trivial. Commenting out about a half dozen lines in two files.
02:29:12jsiddallBut I am not sure if it is for everyone. If you don't want car mode to work you are probably best with the previous behavior. I just know there are some others out there that do want car mode to work. How do people tend to handle these exceptions?
02:31:56FlynDicejsiddall: Normally you would make a patch to current SVN and post that patch on Flyspray as Unhelpful mentioned. That way everyone can take a look and comment on it. Does that make sense?
02:33:03Unhelpfulhow does it differ from current behavior when not using car mod?
02:33:08UnhelpfulmodE ;/
02:34:10jsiddallIt _never_ boots OF now unless you press a button when you plug it in. The issue I see is I don't think that is the behavior most people want.
02:34:15FlynDicejsiddall: I would encourage you to do so as it seems you are not the only one who wants this feature
02:35:49FlynDiceBut if you post a diff to flyspray someone else may have a way to make it work in a way that makes everyone happy...
02:36:41jsiddallThat is not possible until there is a working USB stack in RB, and I am pretty sure no one has a way to do that yet. There's the rub.
02:37:03*andrewRB slaps jsiddall till he posts the diff anyway
02:38:15FlynDiceBy posting your diff you are not forcing anyone to do it your way, you are just making your idea known
02:38:29*Unhelpful gives up on getting gcc not to be stupid
02:38:44andrewRBstupid != inefficient
02:38:59jsiddallOK, done. I'll post it. But does that not also imply I want it committed (which really I don't)?
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02:39:20FlynDiceSay so in your message then, that's fine
02:39:25andrewRBnope, not really. a lot of patched exist and are maintained which will never be committed
02:39:29andrewRB*patches
02:39:32jsiddallIt's more like a separate branch. The car mode branch.
02:39:40jsiddallOK, good enough
02:40:02UnhelpfulandrewRB: it's converting C operations that map directly and efficiently to single operations into something more complicated. maybe it's trying to do something clever, but the result is anything but.
02:40:35Unhelpfulit converts "x ^= 0x7f00; x ^= 0xff" to "t = 0x7f00; t += 0xff; x ^= t;", essentially
02:41:50*andrewRB agrees on "stupid"
02:42:22Unhelpfuli would *rather* not use inline asm as gcc can't schedule other operations in the middle of inline asm. this would be relevant on arm9e where loads are 1c with delayed result availability.
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03:04:49CIA-5New commit by 03rasher (r24374): Initial import of translate.rockbox.org code.
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03:15:28CIA-5New commit by 03rasher (r24375): Ensure updates happen in the right location.
03:17:40rasherZagor: If you could set up translate.rockbox.org, it should be good to go
03:20:55CIA-5New commit by 03unhelpful (r24376): Improve libdemac SATURATE slightly on ARMv4/5, move filter buffers and code out of IRAM for sizes that aren't near realtime and extend udiv32_arm ...
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03:33:21andrewRBcould anybody please advise me on how to compile the scramble tool alone?
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03:39:35andrewRBum
03:39:40andrewRBwhat happened to mktccboot?
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03:54:35andrewRBok, i have mingw set up and "i686-pc-mingw32-gcc helloworld.c -o helloworld.exe" works fine. now what should I edit to make scramble cross-compile?
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04:29:50andrewRBhas mkboot swallowed up mktccboot?
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04:42:26Unhelpfulhrm... probably not worthwhile to bother replacing the libgcc divider with the APE divider entirely when building APE? it would save some space (not having two functions that do the same thing) but it's not like there's a great shortage of non-iram space...
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05:30:29sustineohi, um is there any issue with rockbox on the fuze and 1.02.31 OF firmware? just wondering before I mkamsboot'ed it
05:36:33sustineo...
05:36:38sustineoit failed anyways
05:36:40sustineo>_>
05:37:11sustineo[ERR] Original firmware unknown, please try an other version. Tested c200 versi ons are : 3.02.05 [ERR] Could not load fuzea.bin
05:38:09sustineoanyone know what the problem is?
05:40:52S_a_i_n_tsustineo: have you looked here: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaAMS ?
05:43:06sustineoyeah thats the same as what i followed it appears
05:45:32sustineoi also had this problem with rockbox recognizing the fuze as a c200 with the auto-installer (before i figured out you couldn't use it)
05:47:51S_a_i_n_tI don't know jack about the port...but from what I can tell the firmware needs to be 03.01.16
05:48:11S_a_i_n_tget thet here: http://forums.sandisk.com/sansa/board/message?board.id=e200&thread.id=13548
05:48:52sustineowell this would be for the fuze
05:49:12sustineoi already made one with 1.02.26 that worked fine
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05:49:27S_a_i_n_tyes, you're quite right...sorry
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05:50:17RobotoHey
05:50:46RobotoI got a question for the Rockbox team
05:51:06S_a_i_n_tsustineo: the sansa sit reports latest OF to be 01.02.26 & 02.02.26
05:51:14S_a_i_n_tfor the fuse that is
05:51:27sustineosit?
05:51:35S_a_i_n_thttp://forums.sandisk.com/sansa/board/message?board.id=sansafuse&thread.id=23276
05:52:15RobotoNvm
05:52:21sustineohttp://forums.sandisk.com/sansa/board/message?board.id=sansafuse&thread.id=38046
05:52:30sustineohere's 1.02.31
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05:54:05S_a_i_n_tAll I'm doing is following the link from the rbwiki
05:54:09sustineoyeah
05:54:15S_a_i_n_tand it points me to here: http://forums.sandisk.com/sansa/board/message?board.id=sansafuse&thread.id=23276
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05:54:36sustineoi noted that they hadn't updated it in a while, but maybe that's because the new ones aren't compatible
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05:54:53sustineothat's what it said last time as well
05:55:33flybackwell since the developers of rockbox don't think it's worth wild to have a dump smart status to test file command I think I figured out my own solution
05:56:03flybackif the drive has tmos like seagate's other devices, then I only need a 3 wire serial interface to run diags and check status while the drive is in the unit
05:56:38S_a_i_n_tHmmmm...sometimes the wiki is correct, sometimes it's outdated. I don't own a fuse so I can't say either way.
05:57:29S_a_i_n_tI would suggest using the one the wiki points to though
05:57:42flybacktest/text
05:58:22sustineohm
05:59:24sustineowell, i was looking for a OF update as i hear the new version has faster file transfers than the one i had installed and also supports slotradio for whenever i need more than rockbox's 5 hours of battery life
05:59:30sustineothanks anyways
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06:10:30Unhelpful"don't think it's worthwhile". what, just because somebody doesn't instantly jump to do what you asked?
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06:53:24tmztslotradio? how is that different than an mp3/aac on sd card?
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07:08:30Unhelpfultmzt: it seems the files on slotradio cards are restricted by *some* sort of drm - you can only use supported players, etc. presumably the card has an ID that they're authorized to, as well, so that you can't simply copy them onto another card for a friend with a supported device. it might not even appear as a storage card, it could speak some custom protocol over sdio...
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07:47:09S_a_i_n_tI hadn't even heard of slotradio until I looked it up after that post...I'm not sure why anyone would see that as a good idea.
07:47:41UnhelpfulS_a_i_n_t: "lots of songs for very cheap" seems to be the appeal.
07:48:28*S_a_i_n_t wonders how many people *actually* pay for music these days...
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08:12:19*tomers Working on fixing fractal's colors
08:16:18CIA-5New commit by 03funman (r24377): mandelbrot: use correct colors on greyscale targets (FS #10935) ...
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08:17:12funmantomers: sorry ^^
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08:19:08funmantomers: what's the idea for max_iter calculation in recalc_parameters() ?
08:19:40funmanI can see there is max 16 colors, but what will give a lower number ?
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08:25:53tomersfunman: each pixel's value is determined by a number of iterations. if #iterations exceeds max_iter, the convergence color will be assigned. otherwise, a color that represents this in the value [0, max_iter]
08:26:03tomerss/value/range/
08:27:21tomersfor grayscale targets, graylib is used, which gives a color depth of 8-bit. Therefore colors should be given in the range 0..255. We should map 345 possible values to these colors
08:27:42funmanwhy 345 ?
08:28:22funmanmax_iter won't go above 15
08:29:37funmanalso i'm not sure what is the 26 in LCOLOR description
08:29:49tomersfunman: max_iter is being calculated in recalc_parameters(). It changes according to the zoom level, and it is based on a value returned from ilog2_fp, which has minimum value of -26.
08:31:30funmantomers: is the MAX() correct line 151 ?
08:32:19tomersfunman: That's a logic I didn't change from the original code. I guess it is ok, since it was used this way for a long time
08:33:23Unhelpfulthere's *some* kind of goofiness in the plugin... if you zoom in far enough it gets "stuck" all one color (can't zoom back out or pan)
08:33:32tomersfunman: It is reasonable. It makes max_iter's possible values to be in the range [15, 345]. Note that step_log2 is negative (!). It is confusing.
08:33:49funmanhm ok
08:33:59tomersUnhelpful: Are you sure? I fixed that?
08:34:13Unhelpfultomers: oh! i didn't realize anybody had!
08:34:23*Unhelpful wonders when that happened
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08:35:20tomersfunman: if max_iter is, say, 15 in a specific zoom level, then we should map each of these 15 levels into colors. When we zoom in it turns to, say, 150, and we now map 150 levels into colors. If we calc our numbers differently each time, then the same 'pixel' after zooming in might dramatically change its value, so that when you zoom in on a fractal you notice it changes colors. This is not...
08:35:21tomers...reasonable, therefor I used the max possible value of max_iter, which is 345, and based colors on that value.
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08:37:29tomersUnhelpful: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev;revision=24264
08:38:31funmaniter << 5 only leave 3 bits of color, yet the plugin is very visible
08:39:47Unhelpfultomers: belated thanks, then. :)
08:40:20tomersfunman: I should have used the LCD_RGBPACK to transform iter value to color, instead of mapping is to [0, 1<<16] (for LCD color targets with 16 bit color depth).
08:40:39tomerspixlema already complained about it, and she's right.
08:41:02tomersUnhelpful: You're welcome :-)
08:41:50funmanwhen using simply LCOLOR(iter) = (iter), i hardly see anything, which makes me think max_iter is very low
08:42:34funmanzooming makes it brighter
08:43:01windI want to ask a question: how to change the font size of the Frotz games.
08:43:25tomersfunman: Maybe the problem is that the color is calculated from max_iter, instead of MAX_max_iter==345... Can you please change and check?
08:44:44windI think it's too small to read it well.
08:45:02funmantomers: what should I change ?
08:45:43funmanI think in black & white we can't just add more colors as we make more iterations, the low colors are too dark
08:45:56tomerswind: Ask the maintainer (I don't remember who it is)
08:46:27tomersfunman: forget it...
08:46:41funmanwind: you want to talk with Torne
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08:47:18terumy opinion is to revert r24265 and redo it in a better way.
08:47:25windfunman:how to find him
08:47:27funmanperhaps with some prng/hash like algorithm we can get a nice distribution of 0-345 over 0-255
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08:47:37funmanwind: he's on this channel
08:48:20tomersfunman: I don't see anything on grayscale target. You say it is shown, but just too dark?
08:48:38funmantomers: with the last revision it shows quite well
08:49:04tomersfunman: I use sansaclip on simulator and it is completely dark
08:49:46amiconnUnhelpful: The effect when zooming in too far in fractals isn't 'goofness', you just hit the fixed point resolution limit
08:50:02funmantomers: works fine here, i tested on the sansaclip sim as well
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08:50:33tomersfunman: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10935 ???
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08:50:59amiconnThe multiplication routines will become monsters though, as they need to do an (intermediate) 64bit*64bit->128bit
08:51:00funmantomers: did you svn up to r24377 ?
08:52:33*tomers ROFL
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08:53:52funman#define LCOLOR(iter) ((iter & 7) << 5) is closer to old colors
08:54:11tomersfunman: But then you have much less colors
08:54:23funmanI'm not sure about other targets but on the clip I can't really see 256 colors on the screen
08:55:44funmanit looks fine on the simulator with more precision though
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08:56:19*funman wonders how it'll look if i start from the brightest color
08:58:27funmanif we use non linear color distribution it'll look weird
08:58:41tomersfunman: The clip simulator looks great
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09:00:32tomersfunman: I'm on vacation starting tomorrow (for a week), and I have a very limited time today. I hope nothing urgent comes out in regard to the fractals plugin
09:01:40Unhelpfulfunman: the clip is a particularly bad target for greylib (hardware... sim should be ok) because it has a very fast display
09:01:47funmantomers: now it works at least
09:02:34funmanUnhelpful: scan rate looks similar to other targets, does it count ?
09:02:39tomersfunman: Cowon D2 (color target) look OK too
09:03:15funmanit must look good with only 15 levels though, so we can't have 256 colors, 0-15 would not look great
09:03:35Unhelpfulfunman: the issue is the display - the greyscale/mono LCDs have pixels that change values much more slowly, so that flickering them is much more effective - it's not relying entirely on your eyes to blend frames, the LCD does much of the work
09:03:40*tomers Wonders how to map [0..345] to LCD_RGBPACK(R, G, B)
09:03:42Unhelpfulthe clip's OLED display is *very* fast
09:03:45*tomers Wonders how to map [0..345] to LCD_RGBPACK(R, G, B )
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09:05:00tomersfunman: Are there any issues left in fractals? Is it ready to be merged into 3.5?
09:06:04funmani'm trying different colors
09:10:08tomersfunman: Colors are generated by colouring points not in the set according to how quickly or slowly the sequence diverges to infinity (Based on From Wikipedia: Mandelbrot Set)
09:11:18tomers'how quickly' translates to #iterations. If #iterations>max_iter, convergence color is used. Otherwise, color is computed as explained above
09:13:01funmanhttp://img686.imageshack.us/img686/2498/cliph.png
09:13:31funman2 different algorithms : 1 on the left, the other on the right
09:14:24funmanthe 2 use 16 different colors, from 0 to 15*16, looping over the same colors for n_iter > 15
09:15:08funmanwell on the left, (0->15) * 16, and on the right (15->0) * 16
09:16:12funman-#define LCOLOR(iter) (iter << 5)
09:16:12funman+#define LCOLOR(iter) ((iter ^ 15) << 4)
09:16:34funmancould you try on a *real* grey lcd target ? (not yellow/blue oled)
09:16:52tomersfunman: Both OK I guess. It's a matter of taste. I like the bottom left one. I can't see any differences between upper-left and upper-right
09:17:08tomersfunman: I have code that adds support for changing color scheme. So please consider this when thinking about new color calculation
09:17:31tomersI mean if you lay the basis for having color schemes it would be great
09:17:49funmancolor schemes on greyscale ? :o
09:18:19tomersI guess not, but for color LCDs it would be a nice little feature :-)
09:21:16funmanwith 32 different colors it just looks weird
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09:22:42funmancan someone with a grey lcd target test http://pastie.org/801560 please ?
09:23:00funmanoh, but I have a yh920 ..
09:30:24pixelmafunman: I could but it'll take a while
09:30:51funmanwell i tried on my yh920 and it's visible
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12:27:48bluebroth3rS_a_i_n_t: what did you think my last commit does?
12:29:25S_a_i_n_tErrrr...remove Debug (Keep Out!) from System?
12:29:45S_a_i_n_tI haven't built from the latest yet, but that was what I *thought* it did/does
12:30:06bluebroth3rno. It was a change in rbutil, not Rockbox :)
12:30:29S_a_i_n_tI always figured if we were supposed to keep out of it, it shouldn't be there.
12:30:33S_a_i_n_tAh, I see.
12:31:29bluebroth3rthe reason for the debug menu is to debug things, and this can also happen to be helpful asking users to do. But for general use one should keep out, hence the hint :)
12:32:16gevaertswe should move some things out of it though
12:32:31*S_a_i_n_t agrees
12:33:14bluebroth3rsome things like ...?
12:34:55S_a_i_n_tA key combination during startup to get into the debug menu (kinda like iPod OF style) could be cool. To the average user "Keep Out!" (especially with the exclamation mark) means "Please fiddle with all these settings"
12:34:57S_a_i_n_tIMO
12:35:45bluebroth3rok, so name a key combination that is free on all targets ;-)
12:36:07bluebroth3rbut it could be hidden unless a file /.rockbox/debug.show exists (or something like that)
12:36:40S_a_i_n_tthat's probably a better suggestion
12:37:03gevaertsat least the screenshot thing
12:37:15bluebroth3ror a hidden configuration option, i.e. you need to load a cfg which enables the menu until next boot
12:37:44gevaertsSometimes you want the debug menu to see the current situation. Having to reboot breaks that
12:38:37bluebroth3rhaving to reboot? I meant to have a configuration option that is no persistent, i.e. it will get reset on next reboot
12:38:51gevaertsok
12:39:07pixelmagevaerts: where would you put the screenshot thing?
12:39:51gevaertspixelma: I'm not entirely sure, maybe on its own in System? My main point is that if the debug menu goes away for regular users, it should go somewhere
12:40:34S_a_i_n_tnot relevant to this (well kinda, since we're talking about the Sys menu) I've always thought time & date should be in Settings (with it's own sub-menu) instead of settings...
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12:41:13S_a_i_n_t*instead of system rather
12:41:56gevaertsS_a_i_n_t: that's an old argument...
12:42:19S_a_i_n_tI thought it would be...
12:42:34gevaertsMy counter argument is that if I change something in Settings, and I look there again, I expect it to be the same :)
12:43:11bluebroth3rgevaerts: it still is the same. If you correct the time in the settings and look at it again it's still correct ;-)
12:43:23gevaertsbluebroth3r: "correct" != "the same"!
12:43:33bluebroth3rgevaerts: ;-)
12:43:45pixelmabluebroth3r: it could also be wrong again
12:44:13bluebroth3rpixelma: then it was wrong before, so it's wrong again. So the situation hasn't changes :)
12:44:16bluebroth3r*changed
12:44:18gevaertswe coult of course disable the RTC and always show the same time
12:44:31S_a_i_n_t:P
12:44:50bluebroth3rhehe
12:45:01gevaertsseriously though, for things like enabling the sleep timer, I do think that argument is valid. For adjusting the clock, it's a bit nitpicky
12:45:21*bluebroth3r starts to like the idea of enabling the debug menu via something special like loading a special cfg
12:45:52S_a_i_n_tw00t! Idea!
12:45:57gevaertsbluebroth3r: just make sure there's a way for people who really want it to keep it
12:46:03bertrikhm, did people complain about the presence of the debug menu?
12:46:14S_a_i_n_twell, me.....kinda
12:46:18*gevaerts doesn't want to re-enable the debug menu at every boot while testing things
12:46:18*amiconn wouldn't hide the debug menu by default
12:46:48amiconnbluebroth3r: What if disk access ceases to work and you want to look up something in the debug menu to find out why?
12:47:09S_a_i_n_tHowabout a setting in settings like "debug Menu=Enable/disable"?
12:47:25gevaertsS_a_i_n_t: In the "Advanced Settings" section? ;)
12:47:27*gevaerts hides
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12:48:52*amiconn opposes settings that hide settings, unless there's this is required for technical reasons
12:49:12amiconnSettings to hide settings make things more complex, not less
12:49:23S_a_i_n_tThe "best" (subjective) place I could think to put it would be in "Settings/System/Debug/
12:50:29amiconnI'd rather cut down the debug menu a bit for public builds
12:50:58S_a_i_n_tthat was the initial idea
12:51:10amiconnNot remove it
12:51:58AlexPIt would be good to take screenshot out of debug anyway
12:52:05AlexPNo matter what happens to debug
12:52:54S_a_i_n_tI kinda like the idea of a setting to hide it completely though, enabled by default, or even just renaming it to just Debug...my initial argument is that the (Keep Out!) means "hey, please mess with all these settings" to some people
12:53:22AlexPThen those people are idiots
12:53:23gevaertsS_a_i_n_t: well, if they really want to, it's their player...
12:53:42AlexPIf you say keep out and people don't, then that is their issue
12:53:52AlexPIt isn't our job to wipe their arse for them
12:56:03S_a_i_n_tI still quite like the Idea of adding a sub-menu to Settings/System/ called Debug to enable/disable the debug menu, disable by default on public builds...I can imagine how/why some may disagree though
12:56:26AlexPI don't like hiding some settings based on others
12:56:40AlexPSure, let's remove some things from debug for the releases
12:56:44AlexPbut not hide it
12:56:46bluebroth3rI wouldn't want a setting for that.
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12:57:19bluebroth3r_if_ hiding the debug menu then do it based on some setting that has no entry so you need to explicitly load a cfg that enables it. Or use a file
12:58:21bluebroth3rwhen moving the screenshot option out of the debug menu it might make sense to change its behaviour slightly: display a splash on usb connection with something like "screenshot taken" so people see that something actually happened
12:58:31AlexPGood idea
12:58:42S_a_i_n_tWell, in that case I prefer bluebroth3r's idea of "or a hidden configuration option, i.e. you need to load a cfg which enables the menu until next boot"
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12:59:39gevaertsI disagree with the hidden configuration option option
12:59:44AlexPMe too
12:59:52bertrikI think the current situation is fine actually and don't really see how the current situation is enough of a problem to add settings or hide things
12:59:58AlexPI agree
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13:00:14gevaerts"We might want the debug menu to be a little less obvious, so let's make it really non-obvious to get to it"
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13:01:05AlexP"And let's remove the warning on the assumption that everyone works on reverse psychology - if we say don't they will, so if we don't say don't, they won't"
13:01:30AlexPBut I do think screenshot should come out of the debug menu anyway
13:01:40bluebroth3rmake the debug menu title empty? ;-)
13:01:49AlexPbluebroth3r: hehe, indeed :)
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13:02:29*bluebroth3r imagines the instructions when trying to help users ... "go to the empty menu entry ..." :D
13:02:47gevaertsMake the debug menu appear if you type "I really want the debug menu, so please show it NOW!" in the virtual keyboard, without any typos. Make it go away on reboot
13:03:19S_a_i_n_tI was actually gong to suggest just naming it to "Debug" as the (Keep Out!) well, you remember being a child no? it's like "the secret cupboard of mystery"...you know you shouldn't, but you just have to...and while you're in there, you may as well fiddle with a few things.. :D
13:03:51S_a_i_n_t*heheh gong
13:04:05AlexPThat is just stupid
13:04:09bluebroth3rS_a_i_n_t: some translations already omit the (keep out) part
13:04:30bluebroth3rbut nevertheless, grown up people should know when they should follow such a hint.
13:04:35bertrikthe debug menu doesn't actually do dangerous stuff on the targets I know, so just let people fiddle if they want
13:06:26S_a_i_n_tif you can't hurt anything in there...then why the (Keep Out!)
13:06:27S_a_i_n_t?
13:07:08AlexPTo stop the repeated questions about what it is for
13:07:14AlexPAnd what does this mean etc.
13:07:36gevaerts"Debug (It's there for a reason!)"
13:08:30S_a_i_n_t"Debug (RTFM!)"
13:08:36S_a_i_n_t:D
13:09:08gevaertsS_a_i_n_t: The "Keep Out!" is essential. It makes sure that (as you said) some people can't help having a look, and some of those then get interested and become developers. It's our main recruiting campaign
13:09:26*bluebroth3r giggles
13:09:40bluebroth3r"Debug (become a Developer!)"
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13:09:56bluebroth3r"Debug (Recruitement inside!)"
13:10:29AlexPDebug (If you have the mentality of a 3 year old, come on in!)
13:11:43S_a_i_n_tnow we're just being silly....geeeez guys :D
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13:20:37AlexPAre FS #10939 or FS #10940 ever going to be accepted?
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13:28:32AlexPI mean that as in is it behaviour that is wanted
13:28:39AlexPNot why haven't they been :)
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13:43:44pixelma*patches
13:44:21pixelmajust saying that it might be weird to close them now immidiately again
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13:52:22amiconngevaerts: Not all translations have the equivalent to "(Keep out"), e.g. German doesn't
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14:20:43webguest33Hi, i am thinking to mod a theme for ipod video for my personal use.. can anyone give link o some doc explaining structure of themes??
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15:38:53CIA-8New commit by 03funman (r24381): Clipv1: estimate current use with battery_bench results
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15:42:54CurtmanI'm trying to run the mini2440 port in qemu, and not having much success.. I can get the bootloader to run, but it starts printing 'sd_read_data: not in Sending-Data state' millions of times when it tries to load from the virtual sd card..
15:44:28CurtmanMy guess is that qemu is more picky than the actual hardware in how the devices are initialized, and rb makes some assumptions that qemu doesn't match.. Does that seem likely, or is this something else?
15:48:11gevaertsdoes qemu emulate the mini2440 sd controller?
15:49:01Curtmangevaerts, I'm using the qemu port from buserror, which can emulate the sd, and works when running a linux kernel.
15:49:02funmanapparently the fuze draws 40mA while the clipv1 draws 65mA from the battery
15:49:58funmanCurtman: there is a lot of different sd controllers, i doubt qemu emulates the mini2440 hardware except for the cpu
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15:51:53funmani'm running a battery bench on fuze, will need to make another one with backlight always on to measure the current needed by backlight; and then we'll see correct remaining time estimation
15:52:10funmando we have up to date e200v2 benches ?
15:53:23CurtmanIt sure looks like it does... http://repo.or.cz/w/qemu/mini2440.git/blob/e5adca59ae1520033a9a9dca2425aaed30d7e7dc:/hw/sd.c
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16:02:05funmanCurtman: you could log the calls to send_cmd() in rockbox driver to see what produces this message
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16:05:50Curtmanfunman, Okay. I'm still having trouble getting any useful logging though.. If I build a 'DEBUG' rb, it won't boot at all even on the real hardware.. On the mini itself, can use uart_printf() to get some debug output, but I can't do much else...
16:06:43funmanI believe DEBUG builds aren't used much
16:08:04CurtmanI think I'm going to put qemu aside for a while.. I just wondered if maybe someone knew how to solve this error.
16:08:28funmani didn't even know qemu would emulate real boards :/
16:09:10funmandoes the mini2440 have a console, so you could interleave qemu debug with debug from rockbox running on the emulated mini2440 ?
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16:10:33CurtmanWhen I boot Linux on it, the console is on the serial port.. There's no bios on it to manage the screen, so it stays dark until the kernel initializes the framebuffer and switches the console to it.
16:11:43Curtmanu-boot also interacts with me on the serial port..
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16:16:04funmanyou could also print sd->current_cmd in "sd_read_data: not in ..."
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16:19:26VJHello, can music be played via inbuilt speaker on Ipod nano 2g?
16:19:44VJwithout using earphones
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16:31:41cheekoocan anyone help with editing a theme file??
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16:47:35VJI have a query if someone can answer
16:47:51VJhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_hvm-rQGWM
16:48:08VJlol
16:48:25VJcan music be played via inbuilt speaker on Ipod nano 2g?
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16:53:46bertrikA normal current of 65 mA seems awfully high
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17:49:09sciphi all
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17:50:10scipI was prepairing my ipod for my trip to NYC and placed Rockbox on my ipod nano 1st gen, everything went great until I formated the ipod (I wanted to make sure that there where no songs from itunes etc where on it)
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17:50:28scipwhen I boot ipod it says ofc that it can't find rockbox.ipod
17:50:31AlexPYou need to reinstall Rockbox, it is stored on the main disk
17:50:40AlexPWhen you formatted it you also removed Rockbox
17:50:44scipuhu
17:50:55scipbut the problem is that I can't see it in my explorer...
17:51:08AlexPEnter diskmode
17:51:10scipit looks like my pc doesnt recognise the device
17:51:18scipSELECT+PLAY it says indeed
17:51:22AlexPReboot with menu + select, then immediately hold menu+play
17:51:30AlexPsorry, select+play
17:51:33scipow immediatly
17:51:56scipaha!!!
17:51:58sciplovely thx
17:52:16scipdidnt know I had to do it that fast :)
17:55:51scipbtw to all the developpers, you did a great job making that firmware!! Apple should hire you so you can change the crappy iTunes etc :)
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18:11:08flybackhey
18:11:18flybackI replaced the hd on this iriver h10 5gb I got off ebay as is
18:11:41flybackit's in great shape just the hd was canucked (well it reported missing system files and the hd never spun up once with my ear to it)
18:11:52flybackthe rockbox firmware for that, is it going to spaz on the drive size change
18:12:08flybackI would assume that would only be the case if you were using some kinda of dd'd disk image hack
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18:12:20gevaertsrockbox doesn't care about the size of disks
18:12:29flybackthat's what I thought, just making sure
18:15:07gevaertswell, there are exceptions such as needing a LBA48 build for 128GB+ disks, but that's about it
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18:30:07bluebroth3rhmm. Anyone familiar with the nano2g around? I'm trying to fake a nano2g, but simply writing the firmware file to partition 0 of an ipod layout disk doesn't work −− ipodpatcher complains about a missing OSOS image
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18:42:31funmanbertrik: about the clip, i have 5h30 runtime
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18:53:30flybackgevaerts, I wasn't sure if they had to use a disk image hack to get around some vendor firmware
18:53:34flybackif adding anything was locked out
18:53:44flybackonly reason I thought there might be a chance it cares about disk size
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19:03:31bertrikfunman, oh that's pretty bad :/, never measured my clip's runtime
19:03:57bertrikbut it seemed a bit more
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19:07:34funmanSansaRuntime doesn't list clip runtime
19:07:59funmanbtw where does the battery capacity come from ? 350mA for clip and 550 for fuz
19:08:00funmane*
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19:08:37rasherB4gder: Do you have dns privileges for rockbox.org? If so, could you set up translate.rockbox.org to point at the scorche's server (same as themes.)?
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19:18:06funmani can't think why the clip would drain more batteries than the fuze
19:18:31funmanperhaps more heavy buffer operations
19:19:01flybackor they went with shitter lithum batteries
19:19:10flybacksome of them rate their battery with only a led attached
19:19:14flybackso 800mah is really 300 etc
19:19:41funmanrockbox performs massively worse on the clip than on the fuze compared to OF
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19:22:36bertrikfunman, I looked at the battery code number from the manufacturer ATL. I couldn't find it, so I made an educated guess from other batteries from with similar width/height/length
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19:24:14funman65mA is relative to the battery capacity, with a DMM plugged on the battery we could confirm the battery capacity
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19:26:10m3dlgi have a sansa fuze with firmware v02.01.09f would rockbox work on it? would it ID the version *(i understand there are 2 versions of the fuze) it's wheel is sticking and i'm getting another so i want to play with it's functionality under rockbox
19:26:50funmanm3dlg: no, it won't work
19:26:58m3dlgoh well
19:27:04m3dlgback to the drawing boad
19:28:20m3dlgI have a warfdale model coming soon, to play with, i will be getting a zen after feb, would the warfdale work? it's less capable than the sansa, very cheap.
19:28:47funmanm3dlg: all the supported models are on the front page of rockbox.org
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19:29:45flybackalso
19:29:47m3dlgok
19:29:55flybackone thing that really sucks ass about lithium ion and polymer
19:30:01flybackactually plenty of things that suck about them
19:30:07flybackis they tend to start losing capacity pretty quick
19:30:20flybackthey don't age gracefully like nicd or nimh or even lead acid
19:30:36flybackalthough I have noticed on pda's and some cell phones
19:30:40flybackthey seem to hold out for yrs
19:30:49flybackbut in laptops etc they just fucking suck
19:31:07flybackmine already noticed a loss of capacity in the battery rating after 2 yrs and it's almost always on ac
19:31:36*flyback can;t wait till lithium phosphate and lithium iron phosphate become the norm
19:31:54*funman pushes flyback to #rockbox-community
19:32:34flybackhey he was talking about batteries :)
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19:40:21Bozaxis there a way to set max volume on rockbox? so that I can't put the volume higher then a given volume?
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19:44:53AlexPBozax: No (well yes, via work arounds)
19:44:55B4gderrasher: translate.rockbox.org has been added
19:45:08AlexPBozax: You could set the equaliser pre-cut
19:45:08rasherhurray
19:45:27AlexPBozax: Which would lower it by that amount, but you can't just limit the volume
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19:49:14Bozaxhmm ok AlexP thx
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19:56:59funmanmc2739: the runtime of e200v2 is still about 11h30 ?
19:57:33FlynDicefunman: Just started one 2 hrs ago
19:59:39mc2739funman: I have not really tested since I last posted on the runtime wiki page. I will start a new test with current svn and post my results when completed
19:59:42funmancan you do another one with backlight always on when it's done ?
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20:00:04bertrikfunman, we're already doing quite a lot to limit current consumption, right? like stopping clocks for pcm and sd when not used.
20:00:11bertrik(on the clip I mean)
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20:00:38mc2739funman: will do
20:01:16funmanyes for sd, i don't remember if the code works for pcm
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20:02:04funmanaccording to the debug menu it works
20:02:17piotrekmis there any place where i can get the current development build of the firmware for ipod nano?
20:02:43piotrekmi don't see it in the nano2g package form build.rockbox.org
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20:02:59funmanthere is no development build
20:03:14funmanwhat you see on build.rockbox.org is what everyone gets
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20:03:32AlexPpiotrekm: You want the current build
20:03:42AlexPpiotrekm: It is rebuilt on every code change
20:03:45piotrekmAlexP: is the bootloader there too?
20:04:00AlexPNo
20:04:12AlexPYou would need to build that yourself
20:04:28AlexPBut that doesn't tend to change often
20:05:07piotrekmhttp://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IpodPatcher#2_OSOS_contains_Rockbox_and_the tells that i need something newer than in the ipodpatcher
20:05:17AlexPI don't know when it was last changed for the nano 2g - more recently than for stable ones
20:05:25AlexPpiotrekm: Ah yes, for that you do
20:05:34AlexPpiotrekm: So you would need to build that
20:05:44AlexPWe don't do regular builds of the bootloaders
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20:06:25TheSevenAlexP: there are rumors that the svn nano2g is broken
20:06:59AlexPTheSeven: OK - it is a safe bootloader though isn't it? i.e. even if it is broken, a restore is the worst outcome?
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20:07:32TheSevenAlexP: nope, even better
20:07:52TheSevenyou need to uninstall it using ipodpatcher and (if you want to) reinstall a working one
20:07:56TheSevenno need to even restore
20:07:56AlexPcool
20:08:09AlexPAs long as it isn't a H100/H300 is what I was really getting at :)
20:08:27piotrekmTheSeven: svn nano2g, meaning the bootloader, or the whole rockbox?
20:08:33TheSevenbootloader
20:08:41piotrekmoh, that's ok
20:09:11TheSevensomebody reported that the released one worked for him, but the svn one didn't, even though I can't see why
20:09:18Jaykaywhat is the purpose of the description of lang strings? should they give the translators a hint how to translate the string?
20:09:25TheSevenas I am not using the rockbox bootloader at all, I didn't yet bother to find out
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20:11:06piotrekmTheSeven: but you don't own a nano2g, do you?
20:11:25AlexPpiotrekm: TheSeven did the port pretty much
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20:13:18TheSevenpiotrekm: I am the main nano2g deveoper
20:13:24TheSevendeveloper, even
20:13:41piotrekmTheSeven: sorry, then;)
20:13:49TheSevenso of course i own one, but i prefer to use iloader instead of the rockbox bootloader
20:14:22piotrekmbut the iloader requires selecting preferred firmware at each boot, right?
20:14:32AlexPyup
20:14:35TheSevenmainly because this allows me to boot to ibugger very quickly, and as you have to reboot the ipod very often when using ibugger... i think the rest is self-explaining
20:15:11TheSevenpiotrekm: actually that's what I like so much about iloader
20:15:22piotrekmyeah, for a developer it seems perfect. i want to get to to my music the fastest i can;>
20:15:33TheSevenbut yes, I understand why this is not really comfortable for an end user
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20:17:05piotrekmand what about this error when i try to do 'ipodpatcher -wf rockbox.ipod' ? : "Model name in input file (nn2g) doesn't match ipod model (nn2x)"
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20:20:59Jaykaywhy is vorbis with the "optimization" slower?
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20:21:34Jaykayah, sorry :)
20:29:00piotrekmis it safe to replace the single byte on the beginning of rockbox.ipod to make the version nn2x?
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20:41:27liarpiotrekm: x means encrypted i think
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20:42:30piotrekmapparently, it didn't work this way
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20:49:56piotrekmbut, the rockbox wiki says the firmware files get ncrypted on ipod, so the rockbox.ipod should get loaded
20:50:18piotrekmapart from the fat that the very same file works smoothly with the rockbox bootloader
20:50:59piotrekm*fact
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20:57:16liarpiotrekm: which wiki page?
20:58:07piotrekmhttp://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IPodNano2GPort#Port_Status - "Bootloader binaries are encrypted on an ipod using the crypt_firmware viewer plugin"
20:59:51liarpiotrekm: "using the crypt_firmware viewer plugin"
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21:00:27piotrekmbut earlier it says 'on an ipod', the part quoted by you doesn't tell me much
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21:00:36liarpiotrekm: this means you need to encrypt the file within rockbox
21:00:54piotrekmah
21:01:10liarand afterwards you can upload it to the ipod
21:01:27piotrekmso... the same thing is required with the rockbox.ipod?
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21:07:34piotrekmyay, worked, thanks liar
21:07:38liar:)
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21:34:34saratogastripwax: what was wrong with my original attempt to ASM that code?
21:34:39saratogai never figured out why it glitched
21:37:29stripwaxsaratoga - I dunno - but I don't think I ever actually saw it ! :-)
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21:38:02saratogaoh you did that from scratch?
21:38:13stripwaxyep
21:38:15saratoganice
21:38:20stripwaxthanks! :)
21:38:40jhoDoes Rockbox automagically start charging the player when I plug it in in the multimedia mode? (Nano2g)
21:38:53saratogayeah
21:38:55jhoIt's been plugged in for something like an hour now but I haven't seen the battery indicator move at all :s
21:39:02saratogahttp://hardwarebug.org/2010/01/30/bit-field-badness/
21:39:08saratogamakes me want to try this arm compiler
21:40:24stripwaxwhere would one get hold of armcc ?
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21:41:28stripwaxOne thing to note about my asm - I did it as a #define so that gcc can still schedule the registers appropriately, and I only use one additional register (r12, which is scratch anyway). But I'm pretty sure with some reordering it would be possible to do fft4 without any additional registers (just Address in one register, and 8 registers for the loads/saves)
21:42:17stripwaxI'm taking a look at the (pretty ugly) code generated by TRANSFORM macros and seeing how to improve those first, before I even begin to attempt any hand optimisation of fft8/fft16
21:42:56CIA-8New commit by 03b0hoon (r24384): PBell vibe 500: fix the modelname (first commit test)
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21:47:04TheSevenjho: it will charge slower than normal though (max current draw: 100mA)
21:47:21TheSevenbut you can change that in the power management settings
21:47:44saratogayeah TRANSFORM is likely to be a mess
21:48:39saratogai remember the old complex multiply asm code was a lot shorter then what gcc generated back when we used the original ffmpeg fft
21:48:42jhoTheSeven: Okay, thanks :)
21:48:57jhoIs there a reason why it's set to a slower value by default?
21:49:04saratogai have no idea how you get the arm compiler, probably by spending a lot of money
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21:49:25stripwaxah
21:50:01TheSevenjho: because I was too lazy to figure out how to properly enumerate how much power is available at the usb port
21:50:34TheSevenand 100mA is sufficient to charge even while transferring data, so this kind of a "failsafe default"
21:50:50jhoOkay
21:51:38TheSevensettings => general => system => car adapter mode: yes, settings => general => system => battery => charge during usb connection: yes
21:51:49TheSeventhis will make it always draw 500mA
21:52:27jhoThanks :)
21:52:48TheSeven(this will probably fail on bus-powered hubs of course)
21:53:14TheSevenpiotrekm: I can't see any reason why rockbox.ipod should ever be encrypted
21:54:16saratogaits weird arm doesn't give out the compiler alone for free like TI, Intel, etc do
21:54:25piotrekmTheSeven: me too now, i got to it a while ago. i encrypted the firmware on the ipod uploaded it with ipodpatcher, without problems
21:54:55piotrekmi didnt understand why it works without encryption, now i do
21:54:57TheSevenfirmware = what?
21:55:13piotrekmTheSeven: oh, sorry, i meant rockbox.ipod
21:55:59TheSevendid you say that you encrypted rockbox.ipod and installed that as a bootloader?
21:56:07TheSeventhis could actually even work :-D
21:56:45piotrekmno, not as a bootloader, but without bootloader
21:56:49piotrekmno ipod firmware on the ipod now
21:57:03piotrekmhttp://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IpodPatcher#4_OSOS_contains_only_Rockbox
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21:57:31piotrekmand boots extremely fast
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22:07:26piotrekmTheSeven: My only question now is, is there any hope the speed of usb file transfer will improve?
22:09:55TheSevenpiotrekm: regarding the bootloader: on nano2g, osos will always only contain the bootloader (or in your case rockbox itself)
22:10:13TheSeveni was a little surprised to see people using that, as it was never tested (at least not by me)
22:10:27piotrekmlol
22:10:45TheSevenregarding file transfer speed: we could speed that up by a factor of the nand bank count (usually factor 4 on 8GB ipods)
22:10:55TheSevenbut that would complicate the code a lot
22:11:21CIA-8New commit by 03b0hoon (r24385): PBell vibe 500: ROLO fix
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22:13:26linuxstbpiotrekm: That ipodpatcher page is mainly talking about the older ipods. Not everything will apply to the Nano2G.
22:14:31TheSevenlinuxstb: obviously it works nevertheless :-D
22:15:21linuxstbTheSeven: Yes, that option works. I'm pretty sure I've tried it.
22:16:59piotrekmand is it possible to make rockbox turn off when ,say, 15% battery is left? last time when rockbox turned off, after turning on again i got a battery icon and the whole data was got, got to reinit the ipod
22:17:18piotrekm*when it turned off because battery was loq
22:17:22piotrekm*w
22:17:48saratogayou can change the low battery level
22:17:54saratogathat will cause rockbox to power off sooner
22:18:08saratogai don't recall where it is in /firmware though
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22:18:44piotrekmsaratoga: you mean recompile?
22:18:49saratogayes
22:19:06piotrekmit would be nice to see it in settings some time in the future
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22:19:26liarpiotrekm: firmware/target/arm/s5l8700/ipodnano2g/powermgmt-nano2g.c
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22:21:17saratogapiotrekm: something like that would not go into settings
22:21:52saratogaits either a work around for a bug (which should be fixed), or the setting itself is wrong (and thus changing the code is the bugfix)
22:22:14linuxstbbluebroth3r: Nice ipodpatcher commit ;)
22:22:35piotrekmin this case it's rather my old battery, which suddenly cuts the power is suppose
22:22:43jhoI can't seem to get `ipodpatcher -wf rockbox.ipod` to work with my nano2g.. I'm getting "[ERR] Model name in input file (nn2g) doesn't match ipod model (nn2x)"
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22:23:02piotrekmbut what makes me wonder is that in original firmware this thing happened and data wasn't lost
22:23:05jhoHowever the same rockbox.ipod works fine with the "normal" installation
22:23:33piotrekmjho: got the same problem a while ago
22:24:00jhoI'm guessing I have to change the rockbox.ipod model name somewhere?
22:24:18piotrekmload rockbox the usual way, find the rockbox.ipod file and open it with crypt_firmware
22:24:38piotrekmit will generate a file rockbox.ipodx, which you can use with ipodpatcher
22:24:48jhoWhere can I find crypt_firmware?
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22:25:04piotrekmit already is on rockbox
22:25:11piotrekmit's a plugin
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22:25:19jhoAh
22:25:25piotrekmlong-hold select -> open with... and you'll find it
22:25:30TheSevenpiotrekm: are you sure your battery was even empty when that happened?
22:25:55TheSeventhat "empty battery" icon is norboot's way of telling that something went terribly wrong.
22:26:02piotrekmoh
22:26:13piotrekmonce it happened when battery was about to discharge
22:26:27TheSeveneven if the battery is fully charged, but some on-flash structures of the FTL are borked, it will keep displaying that :-)
22:26:29piotrekmbut before it happened when i tried to reboot not knowing hot to exit pegbox game
22:26:35jhopiotrekm: long-hold select? Where? Do I need to have the rockbox.ipod somewhere outside of .rockbox on my nano?
22:26:58piotrekmjho: no, if you make rockbox display all the files
22:27:18jhoAh, right
22:27:20jhoThanks
22:27:43jhoHm. "File too big. Plugin returned error"
22:28:04b0hoonHi.
22:28:44piotrekmTheSeven: ever experienced the same thing?
22:28:51piotrekmjho: strange. mine worked
22:29:02TheSevenyou mean the "dead battery" display?
22:29:08b0hoonWhy after my commit the sysfont.h file has dissapeared for the Iriver H300 Sim? Please look at the build table.
22:29:14linuxstbbluebroth3r: Do you think it's possible to fix that code so it finds the specified device?
22:29:18TheSeventhat happened dozens of times to me while I was trying to make the FTL work
22:29:41jhoMy rockbox.ipod is 564K btw
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22:30:08TheSevenb0hoon: I would blame that on the build client
22:30:19linuxstbb0hoon: sysfont.h errors normally mean something is broken in the build client, but I forget what...
22:30:22TheSevenjust wait for the next commit and it will probably fix itself
22:30:24piotrekmTheSeven: any ideas how to avoid it during normal use;> ?
22:30:48TheSevenpiotrekm: it will sometimes happen if rockbox crashes (or is rebootet by holding menu+select)
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22:30:53TheSevenyou can't do anything about that
22:30:59TheSevenbut it shouldn't happen otherwise
22:31:15bertrikb0hoon, congratulations with your first commits
22:31:30b0hoonUh, that's what i thought ufff... I didn't even touched it
22:31:45gevaertsthe build system unfortunately isn't perfect
22:31:45b0hoonthanks for the answer
22:32:03b0hoonbertrik: thank you
22:32:08TheSevengevaerts: to whom does "titan-obo" belong?
22:32:16TheSevenis the part after the dash always an IRC nick?
22:32:16linuxstbobo?
22:32:27gevaertsTheSeven: it is
22:34:01gevaertsb0hoon: can you add yourself to docs/COMMITTERS?
22:35:30b0hoonyes of course
22:37:44CIA-8New commit by 03b0hoon (r24388): Add myself to the commiters list
22:38:36AlexPb0hoon: Welcome :)
22:38:50AlexPrasher: translate.rockbox.org looks good :)
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22:39:10AlexPrasher: It is rather short notice now, but do you think a translations call is worthwhile?
22:39:16*gevaerts feels that he can now properly welcome b0hoon :)
22:39:25piotrekmjho: my rockbox.ipod is 562KB , rockbox.ipodx 564KB
22:39:56rasherAlexP: can't hurt - maybe put in a note that even if they don't make it in time for this release, the next is never far away
22:40:10rasherI must admit I rather forgot about sending one
22:40:31AlexPAs the translation meister will you, or would you prefer me to?
22:40:53b0hoonAlexP: Hi! thanks. :)
22:41:19rasherAlexP: Please go ahead :) I note that you've been doing the work anyway
22:41:27AlexPHehe, not quite :)
22:41:32AlexPBut OK, will do
22:41:35rasherThe tracker is squeeky clean
22:41:42pixelmaI have an update for German almost ready - just need to adapt to the sbs changes and wanted to have a review
22:41:45rasherWell, almost
22:42:04rasherI did notice a commit where blue_dude changed the source string in all languages. Bad form
22:42:37rasherWhen's the release?
22:43:19b0hoonGood... no reds this time :)
22:43:52AlexPrasher: Tuesday is the schedule
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22:44:39tomersJdGordon: ping
22:44:39CIA-8New commit by 03tomers (r24389): Hebrew language update
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22:50:21AlexPrasher: Do you normally send to the user list as well?
22:50:31rasherAlexP: yep
22:50:41AlexPHmmm, I'm not subscribed to that
22:50:48AlexPI might regret signing up :)
22:50:54AlexPBut here goes...
22:51:15gevaertsAlexP: you can tell it to not send anything to you
22:51:32AlexPgevaerts: ah, excellent
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22:59:58piotrekmnow what... "*PANIC* \n Stkov dircache" after umounting and unplugging
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23:48:36saratogafunman: seen this? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=23773.0
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23:52:41bertrikI've never ever seen the DMA error mentioned there
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