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00:04:00 | gevaerts | pamaury: I copied a new track to the player, played it, tried to set the rating, which failed. Then I updated the database, and then setting the rating works |
00:04:16 | pamaury | What do you mean by failed ? |
00:04:26 | gevaerts | <no info> |
00:04:35 | gevaerts | well, "failed". That's what I would expect |
00:04:36 | pamaury | But you get a list of possible ratings or not ? |
00:05:25 | gevaerts | no |
00:05:49 | pamaury | I don't understand why it works for me |
00:06:01 | gevaerts | do you have auto-update turned on? |
00:06:16 | pamaury | yes |
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00:06:37 | pamaury | I'll try to turn it off |
00:06:51 | gevaerts | well, the track is probably in the database by the time you try then |
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00:08:30 | pamaury | Ah, I managed to reproduce it ! |
00:09:06 | gevaerts | I'd close this as not a bug. Rating is a database feature, and you can't rate tracks that aren |
00:09:08 | gevaerts | 't in the database |
00:09:16 | pamaury | Indeed |
00:09:52 | * | pamaury is closing the bug report... |
00:10:43 | gevaerts | make sure you explain what's going on |
00:11:25 | pamaury | "Rating a file is a database feature. When auto-update is off and the the database has not been refreshed, the file is not in the database so you can't rate it.". Is it ok ? |
00:11:49 | gevaerts | sounds good |
00:12:05 | pamaury | done |
00:13:15 | JdGordon_ | ah right! initing the db wont change anything |
00:13:18 | JdGordon_ | no, its a valid bug |
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00:13:36 | JdGordon_ | it shuold be added to the db as soon as it starts playing regardless of autoupdate or not |
00:13:48 | pamaury | That's a feature ;) |
00:13:57 | JdGordon_ | no thats a bug! |
00:14:14 | JdGordon_ | my manager here belives the only difference between a bufg and a feature is when it was found :) |
00:14:42 | pamaury | Intel has a different POV on that question :) |
00:14:55 | gevaerts | JdGordon_: why? If I set the database to not update, I expect it to not update |
00:15:19 | pamaury | To me that's not a bug. auto-update off means no automatic auto update |
00:15:26 | pamaury | *-auto |
00:16:29 | gevaerts | hm, there might be a window where you're playing the file, but it's not been auto-updated yet |
00:16:54 | gevaerts | I claim you won't have listened to enough of the track to be able to rate it though |
00:17:04 | pamaury | Manual says: " If Auto update is set to on, each time the player boots, the database |
00:17:05 | pamaury | will automatically be updated. |
00:17:05 | pamaury | " |
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00:18:09 | pamaury | There is a note: "the auto update will only check for deleted files if dircache is enabled. Update now does that check whether dircache is enabled or not" |
00:18:39 | gevaerts | that's unrelated to this issue I'd say |
00:20:25 | gevaerts | If you add lots of new files and then quickly play one, you might be unable to rate it due to the update still being ongoing. I don't think we can do much about that though, interrupting the auto-update to quickly insert this new file first sounds risky |
00:21:23 | pamaury | And that situation is unlikely to happen, you usually don't rate files just after adding them. |
00:21:44 | * | pamaury never rate files but feels it's more sensible to listen to a music several times before rating it |
00:23:53 | pamaury | So should I reopen this bug report or not ? |
00:24:08 | gevaerts | I don't think so |
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00:25:34 | gevaerts | If someone actually hits this issue in real use, *and* can convince us that waiting a bit is not an option, then we can accept it as a bug |
00:26:22 | gevaerts | Also, why are those database users playing tracks from the file browser anyway? ;) |
00:26:32 | pamaury | That's my question ! |
00:26:55 | pamaury | Users are not patient :) |
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00:38:56 | Stephen__ | JdGordon, i'm wondering in an sbs is it possible to have a list two different colours? for example for the first line of the list to be one colour and the remaining another colour ? |
00:40:15 | Stephen__ | or JdGordon_ ? |
00:41:36 | JdGordon_ | not yet |
00:41:47 | JdGordon_ | you want the title a different colour? |
00:41:48 | Stephen__ | bugger |
00:41:54 | Stephen__ | exactly. |
00:42:12 | Stephen__ | like the title ala rockbox or folder name to be one colour and the files to be another |
00:42:33 | JdGordon_ | yeah, thats something I've been thinking about, I'd actually like to have the whole list skinned! |
00:42:54 | JdGordon_ | individual bits are seperate skin elements |
00:42:58 | Stephen__ | would be sweet as i'm in the middle of a theme at the moment and i was hoping for that |
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00:43:50 | Stephen__ | ah just wondered if it was possible or was i missing something |
00:44:01 | Stephen__ | glad i didn't think i had missed something |
00:44:14 | JdGordon_ | if you can code, it shuold be pretty simple to add |
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00:44:33 | Stephen__ | not quite yet, still on second chapter of C book |
00:44:36 | JdGordon_ | add a new viewport spec for the title in the wps parser, then have the list control respect that |
00:45:29 | Stephen__ | would there be much point in posting to flyspray or the forum ? |
00:45:40 | Stephen__ | doubt there'd be much interest |
00:46:02 | JdGordon_ | the patch? yes, the request? no |
00:46:19 | Stephen__ | that's what i thought, must get back into that C book. |
00:46:28 | JdGordon_ | meh, learn by doing! |
00:46:45 | Stephen__ | ah i'll upload the theme as is till either i learn or someone fixes |
00:47:16 | Stephen__ | thanks for your time anywya |
00:47:20 | Stephen__ | *anyway |
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01:05:07 | * | JdGordon_ slaps Stephen__ for putting ideas into his head before he is finished with skinning the fm screen |
01:05:11 | JdGordon_ | and rec screen |
01:05:28 | Stephen__ | hahaha don't blsamer me. |
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01:05:32 | Stephen__ | blame* |
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01:06:12 | Stephen__ | would be handy for a "rainbow" skin list |
01:06:18 | JdGordon_ | ok, I'll blame froggyman instead then |
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01:07:00 | Stephen__ | that ain't my theme idea by the way |
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01:10:06 | Stephen__ | also JdGordon_ i agree with the rec screen and sysfont |
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02:44:44 | CIA-8 | New commit by Blue_Dude (r24476): Temp fix yellow for portugues and turkce lang files by replacing faulty empty quotes with the English text. Needs translator followup. |
02:51:00 | CIA-8 | New commit by Blue_Dude (r24477): Another temp fix yellow for turkce lang files by replacing faulty empty quotes with the English text. Needs translator followup. |
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03:53:12 | pixelma | I believe that if there should be a temp feix for those, it also or *rather* be reverting those strings completely. so differences show for the tranlsators again. And it would also need tp be done in the release branch... It's *bad* do just put english into the translation part, please someone tell Blue_Dude again |
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03:56:18 | pixelma | fix too |
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05:04:55 | * | Unhelpful notes that there was a red for ape recip table size... despite everybody using "the same" compilers. :/ |
05:16:08 | BlastTyrant | JdGordon, I wanted to thank you for your help the other night, since I didn't get a chance to do it then. |
05:16:20 | JdGordon | no worries :) |
05:16:30 | JdGordon | just dont go spreading nasty rumours around that I'm helpful! |
05:17:16 | krazykit | spread those rumors about Unhelpful ;) |
05:17:17 | BlastTyrant | :P I won't |
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05:20:43 | BlastTyrant | I jumped the gun a little bit on testing out the fix though. The progress bar displays how it's supossed to now, but the next track text area seems to still have that same problem when it scrolls. I didn't catch it then because the colors in that area are really similar. |
05:21:36 | JdGordon | ah yeah, that makes perfect sense :/ |
05:21:57 | JdGordon | umm... |
05:22:50 | BlastTyrant | sorry, did I forget to add details? silly me... |
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05:23:22 | JdGordon | no |
05:23:32 | JdGordon | I mean, in retrospect yeah that makes sense that it would happen |
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06:05:24 | wooster | anyone active? I have a minor bug to report... |
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06:10:35 | S_a_i_n_t | wooster: bug reports are handled via the tracker on the rb mainpage. |
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06:11:09 | S_a_i_n_t | wooster: but do check to see if it has already been reported first. |
06:12:21 | wooster | Okay thanks S_a_i_n_t |
06:12:27 | wooster | Will do |
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07:00:53 | JdGordon | BlastTyrant: ok, no that doesnt make sense |
07:01:02 | JdGordon | same theme? |
07:02:30 | JdGordon | are the scrolling lines in the sbs or the wps? |
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07:07:42 | JdGordon | ok, right, something is screwey |
07:11:38 | JdGordon | in a word... CRAP! |
07:13:35 | JdGordon | the issue is that the WPS sets its backdrop on a refresh, then the sbs does the same thing, and because the sbs updates more often its backdrop is used for those scrolling viewports |
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07:40:05 | S_a_i_n_t | JdGordon: I haven't been following the progression of the sbs as closely as I should have been. I know you've been pulling off all sorts of magic, but I haven't been looking at the code behind said magic at all. |
07:40:34 | JdGordon | its not magic anymore if you know how it works |
07:40:40 | S_a_i_n_t | I believe a better/propper understanding of viewports is what I *really* need to be loking at though. |
07:42:31 | * | JdGordon isnt sure if he should commit this fix or not |
07:42:57 | pixelma | rasher: are you going to reopen the patch for the Turkish lang update too? |
07:43:03 | S_a_i_n_t | what's it a fir *for*? |
07:43:14 | S_a_i_n_t | s/fir/fix/ |
07:43:25 | JdGordon | the bug from 30min ago |
07:48:45 | JdGordon | so. I can fix this in two way. 1) have the scroller remember the backdrop (which is what I've done, or 2) just outright dont let the sbs set the backdrop if the wps is active |
07:49:18 | JdGordon | the bug would only ever happen if the sbs is enabled with the wps and both have different backgrounds... which is something which could actually work |
07:49:31 | JdGordon | doing the 2nd option kills that bonus feature |
07:49:44 | JdGordon | doing the 1st leads to individual backdrops per viewport |
07:50:24 | pixelma | why? The backdrop is fullscreen and there's no transparency in backdrops. Where would you see the sbs backdrop? |
07:50:47 | JdGordon | if the wps keeps the sbs enabled it (the wps) isnt full screen |
07:51:52 | S_a_i_n_t | these types of things are why I haven't even *started* playing with sbs yet... |
07:52:03 | JdGordon | you could cut the screen in half, one half being the sbs+ its background, the other the wps and its backgroun |
07:52:08 | pixelma | urr |
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07:52:13 | JdGordon | thats a totally valid option... |
07:52:43 | JdGordon | or I outright disable the sbs backdrop in any other skinned screen |
07:52:48 | JdGordon | which is meh |
07:52:52 | JdGordon | either way is crap |
07:53:59 | S_a_i_n_t | you may as well flip a coin, it's an "either or" situation. |
07:56:15 | GodEater | Did we miss the release? |
07:56:30 | JdGordon | its still feb 2 here |
07:56:34 | GodEater | haha |
07:56:41 | GodEater | well argued :) |
07:56:54 | GodEater | so the release is still down to you then ;) |
07:57:18 | JdGordon | I'm not sure what is happening, the langs stuff and the actual building files? |
07:57:30 | JdGordon | only bins.pl is working for me |
07:57:53 | pixelma | since I won't have time to commit something until the evening, here is what I have for the LANG_COMPRESSOR breakage of r22832: http://pastebin.ca/1776734 . All other affected languages had been updated anyways so far. Hopefully someone who knows about it has time (rasher?) and maybe we'll get the Tagalog translation, I couldn't reach the Walloon guy per mail |
07:59:03 | pixelma | Portuguese and Turkish need rework too, the committed temp fix is way wrong and (maybe luckily) not in the release branch yet |
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08:10:55 | JdGordon | is it bad to always disable the theme on the yes/no screen? |
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08:11:26 | kugel | what a hack :\ |
08:11:47 | JdGordon | good morning to you too |
08:13:03 | amiconn | Unhelpful: The red was due to something I overlooked, not binsize fluctuation |
08:15:05 | kugel | JdGordon: sure it would be better to disable the sbs backdrop if the other skinned screen you entered has one |
08:15:32 | JdGordon | yes... and no |
08:15:54 | kugel | all other skinned screens are specialized, while the sbs is the basic skin so it makes sense when the specialized skins override parts of the basic one |
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08:16:25 | JdGordon | except that doesnt play with your idea of you should be able to take a sbs and use it with other wps's |
08:16:47 | JdGordon | also, doing that means an extra call for every exit_skinned_screen() and enter_skinned_screen() |
08:16:50 | kugel | I don't see how |
08:18:26 | kugel | if the wps has a backdrop, use it, otherwise use the default (from sbs, settings) one. that doesn't contradict with my idea |
08:19:29 | pixelma | for any takers on my pastebin - the Polish part was a hint from mitk (Tomasz Kowalczyk) here |
08:19:35 | JdGordon | http://imagebin.ca/view/hDo27g.html the left part is sbs and could work with any backdrop to look nice (it only needs the left part). the wps could then use its own backdrop on the right part |
08:19:59 | kugel | two backdrops in paralell? |
08:20:05 | JdGordon | yes |
08:20:07 | JdGordon | sort of |
08:20:28 | kugel | since when do we want that? |
08:21:04 | kugel | I'm afraid that doesn't work with the current scheme/code in rockbox |
08:21:14 | JdGordon | all I'm saying is that is a (possibly nice) side effect of the bug fix |
08:22:02 | * | JdGordon wouldnt mind seeing the possibility of individual backdrops per VIEWPORT |
08:22:07 | kugel | well, the sbs can only work generically if it doesn't depend on the backdrop, if it isn't I can't help it |
08:23:02 | GodEater | JdGordon: isn't that going to start eating memory? |
08:23:46 | JdGordon | not necessarily |
08:24:02 | JdGordon | instead of loading a full screen bmp, you would only load enough for that viewport |
08:24:28 | JdGordon | then it opens up the possibility of using the AA image for a backdrop(!) |
08:25:14 | GodEater | w00t |
08:25:21 | amiconn | The backdrop needs to be exactly fullscreen |
08:25:37 | kugel | JdGordon: and what advantage does that have? |
08:25:47 | GodEater | JdGordon: I presume if you implemented this you could force the tag to only load a backdrop which matches the viewports size right? |
08:25:55 | GodEater | which would mean you still enforce the memory size |
08:25:59 | amiconn | It's implemented this way for performance |
08:26:33 | JdGordon | amiconn: yes, I know, but we can work around that |
08:27:13 | JdGordon | kugel: what does any of this have to do with advantages? its entirely to make it look better |
08:27:24 | JdGordon | I know for a FACT that AA as a backgroud would be loved |
08:27:52 | kugel | I'm not sure how AA in background or foreground is any different |
08:28:15 | JdGordon | GodEater: I want to make the skin buffer user configurable eventually so if you dont want any of this it doesnt effect you |
08:28:17 | amiconn | The current skinning stuff is already causing noticeable slowdown :( |
08:28:33 | JdGordon | not if you dont use it |
08:28:35 | GodEater | amiconn: really? |
08:28:38 | GodEater | I've not noticed that |
08:28:49 | * | JdGordon suggests amiconn use a wps with nothing but "%wd" in it :) |
08:28:54 | GodEater | and I still use a piece of crap ipod video as my target of choice |
08:29:25 | * | amiconn is using text-only wps'es, but that's not the point |
08:29:39 | kugel | which slowdown are you refering to? |
08:29:43 | amiconn | The list & sbs stuff slows down booting noticeably |
08:30:12 | kugel | and except that? |
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08:30:28 | amiconn | It takes significantly longer from "power on" to "browser ready" |
08:31:11 | kugel | I've noticed the longer boottimes too (and I can't explain what's this caused by), but nothing else |
08:31:24 | amiconn | Also, changing screens became slower; often there are partial redraws with pauses happening |
08:32:15 | * | kugel can't confirm that |
08:32:45 | * | GodEater hasn't noticed either effect |
08:32:49 | amiconn | Most of the time it's the statusbar which is delayed |
08:34:19 | GodEater | I don't think I ever use the statusbar, so perhaps this is why I've not noticed it |
08:34:19 | amiconn | Furthermore some inits seem to happen in the wrong order now. The statusbar shows the built-in defaults at boot, instead of the chosen settings |
08:35:14 | kugel | that's because of that dreaded early usb |
08:35:52 | amiconn | Well, it wasn't the case before all this sbs stuff, and we had early usb back then |
08:36:20 | kugel | because the entire statusbar handling was a hack |
08:36:29 | amiconn | The statusbar is drawn too early now - the spash screen used to be "status bar free" |
08:37:09 | amiconn | It might have been a hack, but at least it worked like designed and expected :\ |
08:38:16 | JdGordon | (11:29:44 PM) amiconn: The list & sbs stuff slows down booting noticeably <- I dont believe this... untill someone benches it I'm going to continue not believing it |
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08:39:26 | amiconn | I could do that tonight - comparing current svn with rb 3.3 |
08:40:17 | JdGordon | bah, could you test 10853 at the same time? (hwcodec+radio target) |
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08:44:17 | JdGordon | also, 3.3 is too far back.. bench it against 23903 |
08:44:30 | GodEater | why is 3.3 too far back? |
08:44:57 | JdGordon | because it proves nothing other than the speed changed. |
08:45:21 | JdGordon | 23904 is the change which would affect startup if sbs is to blame |
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08:47:34 | Sparkeater | I thought today was the release date for the new rockbox |
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08:47:54 | GodEater | s/today/20100202 |
08:48:08 | JdGordon | does it *really* matter that much? |
08:48:14 | kugel | Sparkeater: we had some issues with translation updates I think |
08:48:33 | JdGordon | B4gder: I cant get the voices.pl and manual.pl scripts working so someone else will need to build them |
08:48:39 | Sparkeater | I dunno, does it? I just wanted to see was new |
08:48:48 | Sparkeater | and which bugs were fixec |
08:48:50 | kugel | doesn't the 3.5 branch need r24476 and r24477 too? |
08:49:02 | pixelma | no |
08:49:07 | pixelma | wrong fix |
08:49:24 | Sparkeater | can someone put this bug on the bug tracker, I'm at a library and have forgotten my flyspray password |
08:49:43 | kugel | it's better to show the english string than literally nothing in the yesno screens |
08:50:36 | pixelma | with the correct fix you'll get the english string if it doesn't exist in the translation and still the translator will be notified that he has to do some work |
08:51:29 | pixelma | which is not the case now. The best fix would actually be a correct translation there of course (and for Portuguese there is a new patch in the tracker) |
08:51:35 | Sparkeater | the strategy game "superdom" is awesome, except you can only have 1/1 2/2 3/3 factories/farms for the computer or the player. if you put in any other number (like 1 farm and 3 factories) or 2 farms and 3 factories it always ends up with some random mismatch... it pretty much gives you a random amount of too many/too few factories/farms.. someone add this to flyspray please? I can't do it from this computer |
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08:52:47 | pixelma | well, the wrong fix might be acceptable in the release branch only since it won't be touched after release anymore and the next release will be based of SVN |
08:53:30 | kugel | so the entire IDs should simply be deleted? |
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08:54:06 | Sparkeater | is the person who made/ported superdom here? |
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08:55:21 | Sparkeater | I need to report a bug for one of the best games in rockbox! :( |
08:55:54 | kugel | post it on flyspray |
08:55:55 | Llorean | Sparkeater: Is the bug tracker broken? |
08:56:32 | JdGordon | the person who made superdom has been awol for years |
08:56:36 | pixelma | kugel: there are parts already translated and you would lose those. I tried and the warnings will also be fixed if you delete the lines with the empty strings ( "" ) and the related parts in the <source> parts. I didn't have time to check if it now turns up when using genlang (but it should) |
08:57:27 | bertrik | I got again about 50% more runtime on my sansa clipv1 than other people do (tested with mp3 now instead of ogg) |
08:58:01 | Sparkeater | so nobody is gonna fix superdom? :( |
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08:58:39 | pixelma | if you put it on the tracker there might be other takers |
08:58:55 | S_a_i_n_t | Sparkeater: Was it not you I explained the "volunteer nature" of the project to? |
08:59:36 | AlexP | Sparkeater: Sure, but you need to put it on the bug tracker so that the right people see it |
08:59:51 | Sparkeater | dunno, probably. I have no internet access because I'm moving apartments so I can't check the tracker and I've forgotten my password so I can't put it in the tracker anyway |
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09:00:04 | Sparkeater | can somene else put it in the tracker please? |
09:01:22 | Sparkeater | all my passwords are stored in my laptop, which is never online because I'm halfway between apartments |
09:02:10 | S_a_i_n_t | *thats what usb-keys are for* :P |
09:02:22 | * | JdGordon spots an AlexP |
09:02:27 | AlexP | hello :) |
09:02:29 | JdGordon | what was the story with the backdrops? |
09:02:40 | AlexP | JdGordon: I have two issues :) |
09:03:26 | AlexP | JdGordon: 1) When a ui viepowrt is defined in the theme.cfg, the backdrop doesn't load, and the screen has crazy colours on it. If I comment that out and set the ui viewport via the .sbs it is fine |
09:03:59 | JdGordon | backdrop comes from where? |
09:03:59 | AlexP | JdGordon: 2) The WPS background doesn't properly overwrite the backdrop where the sbs is when in the wps |
09:04:09 | AlexP | JdGordon: From the theme.cfg |
09:04:22 | JdGordon | no need to hilight me every line :p |
09:04:38 | JdGordon | screenshot or zip for the 2nd issue please? |
09:04:55 | AlexP | There is a seperate issue on the beast - if I try to select a backdrop via the context menu, the beast just freezes for a few seconds then shuts down |
09:05:04 | GodEater | ouch |
09:05:11 | AlexP | Sure, but I just got to work so it'll have to wait some hours |
09:05:44 | JdGordon | ok, so I'll head to bed then |
09:05:49 | AlexP | JdGordon: I'll take a screen shot and package the whole theme for you when I get home tonight |
09:06:38 | JdGordon | hang on. you are using the ui and backdrop settings, and a sbs? |
09:06:48 | AlexP | Yes |
09:07:02 | kugel | that made sense a week ago |
09:07:13 | JdGordon | it still does |
09:07:31 | JdGordon | the ui viewport setting is ignored, but the backdrop will be used |
09:07:54 | AlexP | I could of course by a) doing something silly and b) explaining badly :) |
09:08:14 | JdGordon | thats far more likely than the code being buggy :D |
09:08:20 | AlexP | It is probably just easier of I give you the theme so you can see for yourself, and then tell me what silly combination I'm using :) |
09:08:37 | JdGordon | yes, but im curious, and guessing games are more fun |
09:09:13 | AlexP | hehe :) |
09:09:19 | JdGordon | %X isnt used anywhere in the sbs? |
09:09:26 | JdGordon | %Xd or %X|filename| |
09:10:17 | AlexP | no |
09:12:11 | JdGordon | does anyone know why the filename settings are all checked like "if (setting[0] && setting[0] != 0xff)" ? |
09:12:26 | AlexP | I have a full screen menu backdrop and a full screen wps backdrop, and the sbs just sits on top of those. This used to work fine - should I now be cutting those down and having seperate backdrops for the sbs? |
09:12:31 | JdGordon | is that from before config.cfg? or is it actually still used? |
09:12:49 | JdGordon | AlexP: no, it should work like that |
09:12:53 | AlexP | Incidently, the sbs has a viewport at the top of the screen, and a viewport at the bottom |
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09:34:18 | Unhelpful | amiconn: oh? what happened? the error seemed to indicate that the ape codec overflowed iram, which sounds an awful lot like it was due to binsize fluctuations. also, i helped somebody yesterday with an issue that turned out to be due to eabi binsize changes. |
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10:58:25 | S_a_i_n_t | I am *totally failing on this one...my brain just isn't on today. Could someone kind soul please give me an example of what the WPS code for "If AA for 'current/next track' is found, display 'current track AA' for 5sec ; display 'next track AA' for 5sec | if not, do nothing" look like. |
10:58:34 | S_a_i_n_t | I'd *really* appreciate it. |
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11:00:07 | amiconn | Unhelpful: Check the commit immediately before... |
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11:04:07 | pixelma | S_a_i_n_t: I don't think the next track's album art is available at any time |
11:04:34 | S_a_i_n_t | what's the %Cn tag for then? |
11:05:39 | pixelma | where did you read anything about a %Cn tag? |
11:06:01 | S_a_i_n_t | do't read any tone into that, I just realised it may sound snippy, I'm genuinely curious. |
11:06:10 | S_a_i_n_t | I'll find the link & post it. |
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11:07:21 | S_a_i_n_t | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/AlbumArt#How_To_Use_Album_Art |
11:09:06 | S_a_i_n_t | "The %?C and %?Cn indicate whether bitmap files have been found for the current and next tracks. They work exactly like usual conditional tags : %?C and %?Cn." |
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11:10:18 | S_a_i_n_t | I see where I've messed up now, There isn't a %Cn |
11:10:25 | S_a_i_n_t | only a %?Cn |
11:11:04 | S_a_i_n_t | but I don;t much see the use in knowing if next track AA is there, if it can't be displayed. |
11:11:23 | S_a_i_n_t | so %Cn does seem to make sense. |
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11:14:17 | pixelma | the note is very old - even from a draft version. I don't think it has been implemented this way (IIRC the same applies to the scaling tags on this page) |
11:15:15 | przemhb | hi |
11:15:46 | przemhb | Suppose RB is playing 48kHz wave file on H10 - does it resample it to 44.1kHz? |
11:16:40 | S_a_i_n_t | I'm pretty sur that l,c,r,t,c,b is still correct. |
11:17:48 | linuxstb | przemhb: Yes. |
11:18:10 | przemhb | linuxstb: so we have a problem |
11:18:17 | linuxstb | przemhb: We do? |
11:18:36 | przemhb | linuxstb: resampler produces high distortions |
11:19:01 | przemhb | linuxstb: wait a moment - I will give you a link to the measurements screenshots... |
11:19:22 | linuxstb | przemhb: Yes, I think we're aware of that. Our resampler is _fast_ though.... |
11:20:53 | przemhb | linuxstb: http://www.holubowski.com/rockbox-SS+ESS-2.png - that's 44.1kHz played and that's 48kHz: http://www.holubowski.com/rockbox-SS+ESS-3.png |
11:21:07 | amiconn | Downsampling shouldn't produce distortions according to preglow iirc |
11:21:33 | amiconn | (audible ones, that is) |
11:21:33 | przemhb | linuxstb: the measurement method is SilenceSweep - it measures total distortions resulting from wideband signal |
11:22:20 | linuxstb | przemhb: This isn't really my area of expertise - I just know what others have said. (i.e. that our resampler isn't the best in the world, quality-wise) |
11:22:26 | przemhb | linuxstb: as you can see distortions resulting from resampling as very high |
11:25:00 | gevaerts | przemhb: this is without any EQ or other audio-altering settings? |
11:25:39 | przemhb | linuxstb: with whom I should talk then? |
11:27:11 | przemhb | gevaerts: yes, al turned off |
11:28:00 | gevaerts | ok, I ask because I know that at least on gigabeat F, the hardware sound things cause very audible distortions |
11:28:37 | linuxstb | przemhb: Have you tested playing this file with the H10's original firmware? |
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11:38:35 | pixelma | S_a_i_n_t: those are alignment tags, not scaling. And it seems that occurances of this have been removed in the meantime |
11:42:28 | AlexP | linuxstb: Our resampler is essentially a linear interpolation IIRC |
11:42:40 | AlexP | And as you say, known to be pretty crap :) |
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11:51:51 | przemhb | gevaerts: currently we have some 2.2% of total distortions (harmonics and intermodulations together) at 3kHz, so at the most audible range |
11:52:22 | przemhb | gevaerts: doesn't mention what is happening at higher frequencies |
11:52:47 | przemhb | gevaerts: one point is that sidtortions should be kept below 1% at all audible frequencies |
11:53:01 | AlexP | przemhb: Preglow did the resampler, and by his admission it is pretty crap |
11:53:16 | AlexP | przemhb: IIRC (and I might not), it is just some sort of linear resampling |
11:53:44 | gevaerts | uhm, I'm also not really the person to talk to... I only wanted to make sure that it's really the resampler that causes this, apart from that audio things are a mystery to me |
11:53:58 | AlexP | It was done to be quick and simple, and (outting words in his mouth) he has long wanted to redo it, but finding the time is the issue |
11:54:34 | przemhb | AlexP: I understand |
11:55:08 | AlexP | It is definately recommended to resample first on your PC and let Rockbox have 44.1 kHz |
11:55:32 | gevaerts | that assumes lossless compression of course |
11:56:04 | przemhb | the other point is: whyto bother in resampling at all for targets which have DACs supporting sample rates up to 96kHz, like H10 has? |
11:56:33 | S_a_i_n_t | pixelma: scaling? do you mean the %Cl| line? |
11:56:35 | gevaerts | again, someone has to do it :) |
11:56:59 | AlexP | gevaerts: true |
11:57:18 | AlexP | przemhb: Because Rockbox's playback engine assumes 44.1 kHz in many places |
11:57:36 | AlexP | przemhb: So to get other frequencies output directly, someone needs to redo all of that |
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11:58:37 | gevaerts | I don't think anyone objects to supporting different sample rates in principle |
11:58:45 | AlexP | Indeed |
11:58:57 | AlexP | It is just a lot of work that someone has to do to make it happen |
11:59:35 | przemhb | I understand |
11:59:58 | przemhb | Do you think it makes sense to report the problem as a bug in the tracker? |
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12:00:04 | AlexP | Not really |
12:00:08 | AlexP | As it isn't a bug per se |
12:00:17 | AlexP | It is unimplemented functionality |
12:00:39 | AlexP | Which is a somewhat semantic difference :) |
12:01:01 | gevaerts | "the problem" being the distortion or the lack of support for other rates? |
12:01:11 | AlexP | ah right, I was thinking other rates |
12:01:59 | AlexP | We know the resampler isn't very good, but it might be nice to have the measurements przemhb took somewhere |
12:02:29 | przemhb | I'm open to your suggestions |
12:03:39 | linuxstb | Maybe a wiki page? If people can then find source code for other potential resamplers, maybe someone would be tempted to implement them in Rockbox... |
12:03:53 | przemhb | (to cheer up I may add Windows Mobile has much worse resampler - it introduces horrible 10% distortions at 1kHz and disastrous 25% at 10kHz) |
12:04:40 | linuxstb | Hurray! ;) |
12:06:20 | przemhb | very good resample library released under GPL is Secret Rabbit Code http://www.mega-nerd.com/SRC/download.html |
12:07:06 | przemhb | I think it would be nice if a new resampler had an option to choose either speed or quality |
12:07:26 | linuxstb | przemhb: An important point is that our devices don't have a hardware floating point unit. So any resampler needs to use integer (fixed-point) arithmetic. |
12:09:14 | przemhb | linuxstb: I would have to check the SRC if it works on integers |
12:11:19 | linuxstb | przemhb: I've just had a quick look, and I don't think it does - the source code is full of "float" and "double"... |
12:18:48 | przemhb | linuxstb: that's a pitty (it's very good resampler used in foobar) |
12:19:52 | linuxstb | przemhb: Yes. I'm sure if there was an obvious library, someone would have ported it to Rockbox by now... |
12:20:05 | linuxstb | So I think it means someone writing their own... |
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12:23:37 | gevaerts | linuxstb: https://ccrma.stanford.edu/~jos/resample/Free_Resampling_Software.html seems to indicate that the resampling itself might be fixed point |
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12:35:24 | gevaerts | hm, http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~jos/gz/resample-1.8.1.tar.gz seems to be LGPL2.1+ and fixed point |
12:36:10 | gevaerts | since it would be usable, I assume there will be another snag such as it being horribly slow or something like that |
12:37:30 | arbingordon | gevaerts: it takes more muscles to smile than to frown :) |
12:37:46 | arbingordon | (though flipping the bird takes even less XD) |
12:37:57 | gevaerts | arbingordon: yes, and I try to keep fit, so I have to exercise my muscles! |
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13:01:09 | S_a_i_n_t | oe sthe .ajz extension still get used? |
13:01:22 | S_a_i_n_t | s/oe/does/ |
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13:06:07 | amiconn | przemhb: There is a fundamental problem with supporting more than one sample rate. If there's a change in sample rate between two tracks, how do you do that? |
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13:06:24 | amiconn | Taking things like crossfade into acount... |
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13:06:50 | linuxstb | If crossfade is active, then I think you would resample everything to a (possibly configurable) rate. |
13:07:28 | amiconn | Well, I'd rather not crossfade between tracks where sample rate changes, but either method adds significant complexity at least |
13:08:07 | linuxstb | Why complexity? Resampling everything is the current method. |
13:08:17 | amiconn | Another issue is that tone filter/eq parameters, crossfeed parameters etc need adjustment |
13:08:35 | przemhb | amiconn: yes, then I would resample everything to the highest sample rate |
13:08:38 | amiconn | Yes, but you'd have two ways of handling things |
13:08:56 | amiconn | przemhb: That would be a huge waste of cpu power and hence battery runime |
13:09:46 | przemhb | amiconn: some users prefer quality over runtime |
13:10:14 | pixelma | S_a_i_n_t: yes, on the Archos players |
13:10:28 | przemhb | amiconn: but of course runtime would suffer |
13:10:38 | S_a_i_n_t | where can I find a list of *all* the .exts that rb supports (irrespective of target) |
13:11:17 | linuxstb | S_a_i_n_t: apps/filetypes.c |
13:11:29 | S_a_i_n_t | aha! |
13:11:31 | linuxstb | Plus the viewers config file |
13:11:34 | pixelma | except the Player/Studio where the firmware file has a .mod extension IIRC |
13:11:36 | S_a_i_n_t | thanx |
13:11:45 | przemhb | amiconn: as we already resample everything we could do the same but with better resampler and to the highest frequency supported by the target's DAC |
13:12:29 | linuxstb | przemhb: Some DACs support 96KHz - would you want to resample to that? That would more than double the amount of audio data being shuffled around. |
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13:13:34 | przemhb | linuxstb: I would (i'm an audiofile), but I't could be more reasonable to allow an user to choose |
13:13:39 | amiconn | I'd rather want a better resample and a sane output sample rate |
13:14:02 | linuxstb | przemhb: I assume you mean audiophile? ;) |
13:14:09 | amiconn | Better still, adjust output sample rate and don't resample |
13:14:17 | przemhb | linuxstb: yes... |
13:14:20 | linuxstb | przemhb: Do you use crossfade? |
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13:14:39 | przemhb | linuxstb: no, not at all |
13:14:48 | amiconn | But there are even more things to consider: Some DACs support more than one rate but not all standard rates |
13:15:41 | linuxstb | przemhb: Then I don't think we're disagreeing. i.e. we would all like Rockbox to avoid resampling in cases where the hardware supports it. It's just that no-one wants it enough to do it... |
13:16:29 | amiconn | E.g. on coldfire we can only do 11.025/22.05/44.1/88.2 |
13:17:06 | amiconn | Likewise, many wolfsons only support 8kHz and 32kHz or higher, but nothing between those two |
13:17:30 | przemhb | linuxstb: I agree |
13:22:52 | * | amiconn thinks that support for sample rate switching in the pcm code would even help porting the new playback code to hwcodec |
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13:51:12 | S_a_i_n_t | any .ext specified in an " 'iconset-name'.icons " file will override "viewers.config", ...correct? |
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14:22:31 | pixelma | mc2739: did you check if the string now appears marked as missing in Tagalog and Walloon? |
14:23:54 | CIA-8 | New commit by mc2739 (r24481): Last changes in Czech language ... |
14:26:04 | mc2739 | pixelma: yes, that string is shown as missing in Tagalog and Walloon |
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15:14:33 | evilnick_B | pixelma: "We may not be able to get a translation patch done in time for the 3.5 release. Tell pixelma that some of the English words are there because there's no real..." |
15:14:50 | * | evilnick_B assumes that there may be another text to come |
15:14:55 | arbingordon | http://i.imgur.com/ul3mF.jpg < haha, figure you rockbox guys will get a kick out of it |
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15:16:26 | gevaerts | arbingordon: since this channel is meant to be on topic, we don't |
15:17:38 | pixelma | evilnick_B: doesn't matter anymore. Also in this case it's not English becaus there is no real translation but because someone wrongly put it there (it might be that it will not get a "better" translation but the problem with the situation before was that the string wouldn't have gotten attention |
15:18:02 | evilnick_B | pixelma: "...Tagalog translation, and Melba has admitted this. So the translation is a bit "Taglish" unless another native Tagalog speaker knows a good translation. |
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15:51:13 | mc2739 | pixelma: regarding r24476 and r24477, my previous commit corrected the Portuguese translation, the Turkish translation still needs to be corrected and I have to leave for work now. |
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16:39:16 | TheSeven | oh, wonderful. who would have thought that there is another clock hiding on the nano2g which we hadn't noticed yet? |
16:39:47 | TheSeven | funny that pretty much everything seems to work without knowing about that one... |
16:39:57 | Torne | what's it for? :) |
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16:56:52 | TheSeven | Torne: if i knew that... |
16:57:09 | Torne | ah :) |
16:57:49 | TheSeven | i love things that are completely undocumented in the datasheet, but written to by some init code |
16:58:04 | Torne | yeah, that's always a fun one |
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17:12:13 | Unhelpful | TheSeven: it should be ok to change dma_callback in pcm-s5l8700.c from attribute((unused)) to used? <- stupidly said in wrong channel the first time :/ |
17:13:09 | TheSeven | [17:11]<TheSeven>Unhelpful: no, it isn't |
17:13:36 | Unhelpful | right... ok, why not? without attribute((used)) it fails to compile on eabi, because gcc removes the functions from the object file. |
17:14:11 | * | TheSeven needs to look up what those do exactly |
17:14:33 | Unhelpful | TheSeven: "function might not be used" and "function is used" is what i recall |
17:14:58 | Unhelpful | and since the function is static and never referenced in C code, gcc4.4 seems to get quite aggressive and remove it |
17:14:59 | TheSeven | actually I added the attribute((unused)) because gcc was throwing it away otherwise |
17:15:18 | TheSeven | actually it is used, gcc just doesn't get that |
17:15:47 | TheSeven | so if it compiles with attribute((used)) then it's fine |
17:16:16 | Unhelpful | ah... shall i see if it tosses it with used on gcc4.0? |
17:17:08 | TheSeven | could it be possible that attribute((used)) is a rather new thing that wasn't even recognized by older gcc versions? |
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17:20:59 | Torne | used stops it from being deleted by the optimiser, unused stops you from being warned that it's not used |
17:21:16 | Torne | if the function looks unreferenced byt is static then you probably need *both* :) |
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17:21:36 | Torne | i dunno if used suppresses the warning |
17:23:44 | Unhelpful | Torne: i would expect it to since you're *telling* the compiler it's used |
17:26:24 | Torne | well, yes |
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17:26:27 | Torne | but it doesn't say it does :) |
17:27:36 | Torne | used/unused exist in 3.4 and later at least, maybe earlier? |
17:27:41 | Torne | so it should be fine.. |
17:28:17 | Unhelpful | i don't get a warn for used on 4.0.3 |
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17:31:27 | TheSeven | ok, that's fine then |
17:32:14 | Unhelpful | ape codec also needs a smaller reciprocal table to link under eabi... at some point i'd like the build system to figure out how large that can be. |
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17:44:13 | BlastTyrant | JdGordon: sorry about last night - I forgot to set my away status... I was just reading through the logs - I guess that I stirred up a hornets nest with the wps/sbs backdrops :o |
17:44:37 | JdGordon | na |
17:45:48 | BlastTyrant | I was thinking about it this morning though - what about conditional backdrops with %X or being able to conditionally set it in %cs |
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17:46:10 | BlastTyrant | would that be easier than fudging around with these "fixes"? |
17:46:32 | BlastTyrant | that way there would only be one backdrop active at a time, instead of 2 |
17:46:43 | JdGordon | no. That is just as nasty, but moves the nastiness to the user |
17:46:45 | JdGordon | which is worse |
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18:04:56 | kugel | can we release soon? |
18:06:17 | JdGordon | build the required release files |
18:06:27 | JdGordon | or ssh into my box and build them from there if oyu want |
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18:10:00 | gevaerts | there are two new translation patches on flyspray. It would be nice to have those |
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18:28:56 | pixelma | turkish needs a nicer fix still in the release branch |
18:29:09 | piotrekm | hello, while building wpseditor (from latest svn) i get "No rule to make target `libwps_IRIVER_H10.so', needed by `all'." error. Any help? |
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18:29:52 | kugel | pixelma: I think it's the other way around |
18:29:58 | kugel | piotrekm: better stop trying |
18:30:03 | kugel | it hasn't been touched in ages |
18:30:45 | piotrekm | so the only way to make a wps is to write one by hand? |
18:31:32 | kugel | or to fix wpseditor :) |
18:33:27 | piotrekm | it would be easier to learn wps i suppose;> |
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18:37:57 | gevaerts | pamaury: I think we ended up overdesigning the thing |
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18:39:14 | gevaerts | How about a setting that switches between MTP and MSC, one that enables or disables HID (the one that's there), and possibly one that reverses the connect-with-button-pressed logic, and leave serial to the debug menu |
18:39:43 | pamaury | All in the settings menu ? Yes, I can do this |
18:40:27 | gevaerts | if we end up getting more device classes, we can change it, but right now I think there's no need to overcomplicate things |
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18:55:22 | bertrik | jobec, I did the clip v1 runtime benchmark again (now with mp3) and I still have a much longer runtime, so it's not the codec that explains the difference |
18:57:12 | jobec | i just noticed. i guess i'll have to re-run the test. it's not only the difference to your results, but also the almost 3x difference between rb and of |
18:57:29 | pixelma | kugel: well, Turkish doesn't have a fix at all in the release branch if I didn't miss something |
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18:58:01 | CIA-8 | New commit by bluebrother (r24488): Update Português Brasileiro translation for Rockbox Utility. ... |
18:58:05 | bertrik | jobec, I think funman had a clip v1 runtime quite close to yours |
18:58:24 | kugel | yea, but trunk needs a nicer fix and the band-aid in trunk is sufficient for the branch, isn't it? |
18:58:31 | bertrik | my bootloader might be pretty old though |
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19:03:50 | moos | amiconn: hi, nice to see that I not the same that noticed the boot slowdown because sbs handling |
19:04:26 | moos | JdGordon already asked benches because he doesn't trust us :/ StThomas? ;) |
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19:08:01 | moos_ | amiconn: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20100129 |
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19:09:26 | moos_ | I didn't made any benche/tests yet. Just basing on dircache ie: when it leave usb vs at boot |
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19:10:04 | gevaerts | amiconn: do we want archos flash updates for 3.5? |
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19:10:54 | * | gevaerts is going over ReleaseChecklist |
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19:20:08 | gevaerts | That Spanish update in FS #10958 looks a bit strange to me |
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19:25:09 | bluebroth3r | how's the 3.5 release coming along? |
19:26:19 | AlexP | What is outstanding? |
19:26:28 | AlexP | I see a couple of translations on flyspray |
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19:26:33 | gevaerts | there are two new translation updates that we might want |
19:26:57 | AlexP | I'm not sure about the Spanish one - he says he doesn't know what remote meant and translated it literally |
19:27:04 | AlexP | That could mean anything :) |
19:27:04 | _zic | gevaerts, which ones ? |
19:27:16 | AlexP | spanish, brazillian portuguese |
19:27:25 | gevaerts | I'm doing a test run for the release builds, but I'm waiting for amiconn's reply about the flash thing |
19:28:29 | bluebroth3r | ok, so it makes sense to release a new rbutil tonight. |
19:28:58 | bluebroth3r | note to self: try to send out a translation update remainder a couple of days before the next release |
19:29:00 | * | gevaerts was just looking at "14. make sure we have a rbutil version around that can install the new version" :) |
19:30:18 | linuxstb | I was also wondering about the promotion of the e200v2 and fuze to "stable" - do we have a released rbutil for them? |
19:31:28 | Jdgordon_ | we will if a new rbutil comes out |
19:31:46 | linuxstb | We don't currently then... |
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19:34:27 | bluebroth3r | linuxstb: well, with all the target renaming we actually need to release rbutil these days so this isn't a problem |
19:34:31 | gevaerts | AlexP: I also wonder about the large number of other changes in there. It seems like the diff is between seriously different versions |
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19:36:31 | amiconn | gevaerts: Do you remember any critical generic low-level fixes (e.g. in fat or file code)? |
19:36:41 | gevaerts | no |
19:36:42 | amiconn | Excluding dircache, that is |
19:37:24 | gevaerts | hm, there's r24134 |
19:37:40 | bluebroth3r | anyone wants to update the french or finnish translations for rbutil? Or any other that's kinda poor right now? Current status: http://pastebin.ca/1786107 |
19:37:40 | linuxstb | bluebroth3r: So what's the status of the current rbutil with respect to the release? Do we need a new rbutil at the same time as the release is made? |
19:38:45 | bluebroth3r | linuxstb: in general we don't need a new rbutil release with a rockbox release. But with the target renames a lot of things are broken due to rbutil using old names (f.e. themes installation) |
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19:39:38 | bluebroth3r | I'm not aware of any problematic issues being open right now, so I think it's good to release rbutil now |
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19:40:00 | bluebroth3r | unless someone has serious showstoppers and speaks up now |
19:40:40 | gevaerts | amiconn: the dircache fixes went in after the branch. r24134 is the only thing I see in the log that fixes a real issue |
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19:42:50 | gevaerts | gah, we didn't even start on the release notes yet! |
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19:47:32 | gevaerts | there's a bug in bins.pl |
19:47:45 | kugel | sure, Jdgordon_ thought it :p |
19:47:53 | kugel | touched* |
19:48:14 | amiconn | gevaerts: That one doesn't affect bootbox since bootbox is neither multivolume nor does it ever write to disk |
19:48:20 | gevaerts | if we do two builds for the same config name, it only keeps the last one. This is a problem for the ipod video build |
19:48:25 | gevaerts | amiconn: ah, right |
19:48:28 | amiconn | So I think we don't need new flash images |
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19:48:41 | gevaerts | ok. That makes things easier :) |
19:49:13 | kugel | gevaerts: how does the build server handle it? it somehow names it ipodvideo64mb doesn't it? |
19:49:37 | gevaerts | kugel: the build server uses unrelated scripts |
19:51:26 | AlexP | gevaerts: I can have a stab at some release notes if you like |
19:51:41 | gevaerts | AlexP: I suspect we'll need them... |
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19:56:30 | AlexP | OK |
19:56:40 | gevaerts | I could rebuild the offending ones by hand I guess, unless B4gder quickly fixes the script :) |
19:56:58 | B4gder | sorry, I'm busy atm |
19:57:41 | Unhelpful | being able to prod the build server and have it make clients pull and build the release branch would be a *very* big nice-to-have, i'd think... |
19:58:08 | linuxstb | Unhelpful: Do we trust the clients to build a release? |
19:58:41 | Jdgordon_ | why not? |
19:58:44 | Unhelpful | linuxstb: we actively promote the use of current builds ("see if you still have that problem with current" etc) |
19:59:01 | CIA-8 | New commit by mc2739 (r24489): Remove strings that were filled with the English translations so they can be translated properly. These were committed in r24476 and r24477. |
19:59:39 | * | linuxstb wishes people would simply answer his question.... ;) |
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20:00:39 | Unhelpful | but i did! either we ought not to tell people to use current, or the build system is safe for releases. ;) |
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20:01:49 | gevaerts | tools/release/manuals.pl doesn't do anything at all :\ |
20:02:03 | Jdgordon_ | neither does voices.pl |
20:02:10 | Jdgordon_ | even after fixing it for the builds.pm file |
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20:02:52 | gevaerts | "next if ($builds{$b}{configname} < 3); # no variants" is broken |
20:03:07 | gevaerts | removing that makes it work |
20:03:25 | Jdgordon_ | linuxstb: the only reason I could think of to not trust the clients would be when the download links point to the wrong build, but if thats a problem with the web script then? |
20:03:45 | gevaerts | we don't know... |
20:04:28 | Unhelpful | maybe we need to hold a competition to design rogue buildclients, and buildserver features for detecting them? ;) |
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20:05:50 | * | Unhelpful thinks that using the buildserver for releases should be fine, but 1) it's not already designed to do this 2) people who know it might know of outstanding issues that i don't |
20:06:23 | CIA-8 | New commit by mc2739 (r24490): Fix yellow by removing strings that were not completely translated so they can be translated properly. |
20:06:50 | linuxstb | Unhelpful: My thoughts are that a) We have less control over the build clients; b) Is there any reason to use them? I'm guessing a full set of builds don't take _that_ long, and are only needed every few months, not 20 times a day. |
20:07:16 | linuxstb | But yes, I can't think of any actual reason why they would produce bad release builds... |
20:07:23 | gevaerts | a full set of builds takes 18 minutes |
20:07:27 | AlexP | How is the bugs closed bit of the release notes usually generated? I've searched flyspray for bugs closed since the last release, but given our cleanup there are 204... |
20:08:56 | Jdgordon_ | just pick a bunch that you think are important enough to mention |
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20:09:39 | AlexP | Anyone have any they want in? |
20:10:07 | gevaerts | AlexP: I'd include the ones that were marked as known in ReleaseNotes34 |
20:12:16 | AlexP | OK |
20:12:39 | AlexP | I'm nearly done - brief pause for dinner coming up :) |
20:12:53 | pixelma | what's with plugins that still have issues (with controls) on some targets? |
20:13:18 | Jdgordon_ | they still have issues |
20:13:54 | pixelma | yes, they were disabled in some previous releases on affected targets |
20:14:02 | Jdgordon_ | oh |
20:14:22 | pixelma | I believe it was forgotten in 3.4 |
20:17:16 | pixelma | mc2739: deleting the complete phrase wouldn't have been necessary, now you lose some already translated strings |
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20:17:41 | pixelma | maybe "wasn't necessary" |
20:18:54 | * | pixelma grumbles at Blue_Dude |
20:20:16 | CIA-8 | New commit by mc2739 (r24491): Português Brasileiro Lang Update ... |
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20:21:59 | mc2739 | pixelma: What should I have done? |
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20:24:23 | mc2739 | pixelma: could I just remove the targets that were not translated? |
20:24:37 | CIA-8 | New commit by gevaerts (r24492): Some fixes to make the release scripts actually work. These are not necessarily very clean, and the ipod video build is still problematic due to ... |
20:26:14 | kugel | AlexP: I generated the list by going through the svn log |
20:26:15 | CIA-8 | New commit by mc2739 (r24493): Português Brasileiro Lang Update ... |
20:26:37 | AlexP | kugel: urg :/ |
20:26:40 | kugel | and only included those which weren't opened after the release |
20:26:46 | pixelma | mc2739: yes, when removed from <source> too - then they'll show up as "source section differs from the english!" and gets the translators attention |
20:28:06 | mc2739 | pixelma: OK, thanks for the info. I will correct them. |
20:29:24 | pixelma | nice, thanks. I'm a bit confused what I would have to change if I wanted to commit now because I already started on something and things changed |
20:30:43 | kugel | it looks like 3.5 isn't going to be the new 3.0 :) |
20:31:26 | pixelma | someone subscribed to the svn mailing list should give a hint to Blue_Dude though |
20:32:10 | gevaerts | Do we expect more commits before we can release? |
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20:34:37 | * | gevaerts started the builds. If anything new gets committed, they can always be restarted |
20:38:11 | CIA-8 | New commit by mc2739 (r24494): Add back previously translated strings that were removed in r24489 |
20:40:06 | mc2739 | gevaerts: Can I commit 2 more language updates? |
20:40:12 | gevaerts | go ahead |
20:40:17 | mc2739 | thanks |
20:40:49 | CIA-8 | New commit by mc2739 (r24495): Add back previously translated strings that were removed in r24490 |
20:42:36 | * | linuxstb wonders if it would make sense to commit to both the branch and trunk in the same commit |
20:42:38 | CIA-8 | New commit by mc2739 (r24496): Spanish translation update ... |
20:43:06 | gevaerts | linuxstb: if you feel brave :) |
20:43:22 | linuxstb | gevaerts: I'm speaking hypothetically - I have nothing to commit... |
20:44:14 | Jdgordon_ | how would that work? the diff isnt necessarily the same for both branches |
20:44:38 | linuxstb | You specify both paths in the same commit. |
20:44:50 | kugel | is that possible? |
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20:44:59 | gevaerts | mc2739: all done? |
20:45:12 | mc2739 | gevaerts: yes, thanks |
20:45:15 | linuxstb | kugel: IIUC, svn is just a single tree - it doesn't know about branches, trunks, etc, those are just conventions. |
20:45:16 | gevaerts | pixelma: do you have more to commit? |
20:45:19 | gevaerts | Anyone else? |
20:45:40 | pixelma | no, I haven't |
20:45:52 | pixelma | nothing for the release anyways |
20:46:01 | kugel | linuxstb: yes, but IIUC the only pathes you can specify on svn commit is the path to the files to commit in the working copy |
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20:46:22 | gevaerts | kugel: the point is that a working copy isn't restricted to one branch |
20:46:31 | mc2739 | gevaerts: wait, I got a yellow to fix |
20:46:40 | amiconn | Unhelpful: Found what I did with the filters? :) |
20:47:03 | gevaerts | mc2739: that's not a release target. I'd vote to ignore it on the branch |
20:47:26 | kugel | I imagine you could checkout from / and edit both branch/ and trunk/ at the same time..but manually each |
20:48:10 | linuxstb | kugel: Yes, you would of course need to make the same changes in both. e.g. do an svn diff in trunk/ and then apply that diff in the branch. |
20:48:46 | Jdgordon_ | linuxstb: did you see my change to the scrolling code last night? thats mostly your code yeah? |
20:48:59 | kugel | I also imagine that a final big merge of apps/lang would've created less work (and noise) than those 20 "bi-commits" we had |
20:49:13 | kugel | or more |
20:49:28 | linuxstb | Jdgordon_: No, it's not really my code. Although svn will probably blame me for it, as I made changes to it for viewports. (but not any real changes) |
20:50:01 | Jdgordon_ | ok |
20:50:25 | * | kugel hopes that can be reverted soon |
20:51:11 | mc2739 | gevaerts: ok |
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20:57:20 | CIA-8 | New commit by mc2739 (r24497): Fix yellow - remove untranslated string |
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21:03:12 | CIA-8 | New commit by mc2739 (r24498): Spanish translation update ... |
21:04:34 | pixelma | mc2739: thanks for taking over the work on the language fixes and updates btw. |
21:05:45 | mc2739 | pixelma: glad to help |
21:07:39 | kugel | AlexP: seems busy with the release notes :) |
21:07:59 | AlexP | unfortunately |
21:08:11 | AlexP | This bugs fixed thing is an enormous pain in the arse |
21:08:16 | AlexP | But I'm nearly done :) |
21:08:24 | kugel | yes it is :) |
21:10:06 | gevaerts | hm, I'm sure a voice file should be more than 5K |
21:11:08 | domonoky | voicefiles smaller then ~500k are surely broken. |
21:11:33 | domonoky | you normally get that when genlang somehow chokes on the lang file. |
21:11:42 | kugel | AlexP: I'm not sure if bugs that didn't exist before 3.4 should be mentioned |
21:11:56 | AlexP | why not? |
21:12:08 | AlexP | They have been fixed since the last release |
21:12:19 | gevaerts | my festival installation is broken |
21:12:48 | kugel | it seems weird to list bugs that came up and were fixed between two releases |
21:13:51 | bluebroth3r | domonoky: ok, any showstopper that came up? Otherwise I'd like to start rolling the rbutil release |
21:14:11 | domonoky | bluebroth3r: go ahead. |
21:14:11 | gevaerts | What's the usual festival voice for releases? |
21:15:07 | pixelma | a too big one for Archos targets (and default settings) :\ |
21:15:16 | domonoky | it might be good to test the release voicefiles for the old archos ones on target. they were too big in nearly all last releases :-) |
21:16:27 | AlexP | kugel: Feel free if you want |
21:17:13 | pixelma | unfortunately I don't know how much RAM is there (and so how big the file can be) on the FM-Recorder which is probably the one with the least free RAM (being the most feature packed) |
21:17:18 | AlexP | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes35 Please feel free to edit/fix/add/whatever |
21:17:26 | kugel | AlexP: I don't care too much; many fixed bugs suggest we actually work on this piece of software at least :) |
21:17:51 | kugel | but when I asked for 3.3 I was told to better leave them out |
21:18:26 | AlexP | I'm not too bothered either way, I just can't be arsed to check them |
21:18:39 | AlexP | Actually, it'd be fairly easy |
21:18:54 | AlexP | Check the first FS after the last release |
21:18:59 | kugel | "date opened" is right next to the title :) |
21:19:00 | AlexP | I might do in a minute |
21:19:15 | AlexP | I'm not going to click through all of them |
21:19:35 | kugel | yea that works too |
21:20:09 | kugel | we need 1 commit still (if it didn't happen already)! |
21:20:25 | kugel | in www/ though, e200v2, fuze are still under unstable :) |
21:20:42 | CIA-8 | New commit by bluebrother (r24499): Bump rbutil version to 1.2.4. |
21:20:45 | AlexP | yeah, I was going to mention that |
21:20:53 | AlexP | I put them in stable in the release notes |
21:20:53 | gevaerts | ok, as long as it's not in the 3.5 branch, I won't scream at you |
21:21:15 | mc2739 | kugel: I have a patch for the web page already |
21:21:52 | gevaerts | huh? Why do I only get 23 voice files? |
21:22:13 | CIA-8 | New commit by bluebrother (r24500): Tag rbutil 1.2.4 release. |
21:22:26 | domonoky | kugel: also change that status in tools/builds.pm (svn trunk) then. |
21:22:36 | kugel | I think JdGordon did that |
21:22:38 | gevaerts | ah, missing hwcodec ones |
21:23:25 | * | kugel wonders if it still makes sense to differentiate between the e200 versions on the site |
21:23:28 | kugel | we support all |
21:23:52 | domonoky | kugel: they need different builds, so we need to differentiate them.. |
21:23:54 | AlexP | there, gone |
21:24:04 | kugel | domonoky: on the site |
21:24:13 | domonoky | ah, you mean the frontpage ? |
21:24:13 | kugel | or front page even |
21:24:59 | mc2739 | any comments? -> http://pastie.org/808190 |
21:25:00 | domonoky | ah, there it could be removed. but that would probably confuse people who already know the v2 issue :-) |
21:25:59 | AlexP | mc2739: I'd have e200v2 next to e200 and have an and before the last item |
21:26:11 | AlexP | Maybe with e200v1? |
21:26:43 | Jdgordon_ | in that listing we shouldnt differentiate between the e200 models |
21:27:01 | Jdgordon_ | and we send death threats to sansa if they resurrect that model line |
21:28:17 | mc2739 | AlexP, Jdgordon_ - updated http://pastie.org/808190 |
21:28:39 | Jdgordon_ | maybe e200 series (all models) |
21:28:59 | AlexP | c200 series needs a not v2 doesn't it? |
21:29:19 | domonoky | jup, damn sansa. |
21:30:18 | mc2739 | updated again |
21:31:43 | Jdgordon_ | if that doesnt confuse people nothing will! |
21:35:05 | gevaerts | B4gder: release builds at http://rockbox.hostname.be/3.5/ |
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21:35:40 | gevaerts | build, manual, voice and source |
21:36:45 | CIA-8 | New commit by gevaerts (r24501): Tag the 3.5 release |
21:37:47 | Jdgordon_ | gevaerts: what did you do to get the manuals and voices scriopts working? |
21:38:18 | gevaerts | Jdgordon_: comment out the bit that was supposed to skip variants |
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21:38:53 | gevaerts | The manual script has one more issue: it hangs on the e200r manual (which doesn't exist), so I killed that iteration |
21:39:21 | gevaerts | I also did the ipod video builds by hand to work around the bins.pl bug that doesn't name the zip files properly in case of variants |
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21:46:04 | * | kugel added a sentence or two |
21:47:05 | kugel | gevaerts: e200 and e200r is actually the same build right? |
21:47:41 | * | kugel is confused |
21:48:10 | kugel | ah I looked at the voices |
21:48:10 | * | AlexP corrected the English slightly :) |
21:48:21 | bluebroth3r | B4gder: can you move rbutil 1.2.4 to the download server? Files are at http://www.alice-dsl.net/dominik.riebeling/rockbox/rbutil-releases/ |
21:48:21 | kugel | yes please :) |
21:48:23 | gevaerts | kugel: uh, right... |
21:49:30 | gevaerts | if there are a few unneeded builds it doesn't really matter |
21:49:40 | mc2739 | kugel: yes, except for bootloader |
21:50:31 | kugel | so we do the 3.5 dance now? \o/ |
21:50:43 | kugel | or let's wait for B4gder |
21:52:32 | AlexP | Wait for them to get moved :) |
21:52:35 | AlexP | Then e-mails etc |
21:53:21 | kugel | this is surely the best release ever :) |
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21:56:12 | Jdgordon_ | na |
21:56:16 | Jdgordon_ | the next will be better |
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21:59:49 | * | pixelma hopes early USB isn't broken again as it was last time |
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22:00:44 | kugel | I don't think anyone has checked |
22:01:00 | kugel | that should be on the ReleaseTodoList :) |
22:03:02 | B4gder | bluebroth3r: done! |
22:03:29 | bluebroth3r | thanks :) |
22:03:33 | AlexP | B4gder: Did you see the release builds? |
22:03:42 | B4gder | I did, I'm on it |
22:03:48 | AlexP | Coolio :) |
22:04:19 | kugel | it's a pity that the beast is still not stable'ized :( |
22:04:27 | AlexP | yeah |
22:04:32 | * | Jdgordon_ groans at pixelma's hopes |
22:04:43 | Jdgordon_ | unless we are told its borken noone is going to know it is |
22:05:07 | pixelma | you don't read forums |
22:05:15 | kugel | maybe I find time to work on the yh925, nothing really stops it from being stable except lazyness |
22:05:37 | pixelma | there were a few reports last time |
22:05:43 | AlexP | flyspray |
22:05:44 | kugel | dito for the other yh |
22:07:13 | bluebroth3r | what's missing for the beast? |
22:07:40 | B4gder | ok, the 3.5 files are in position |
22:07:45 | AlexP | bluebroth3r: Some single boot don't work I believe |
22:07:47 | kugel | mc2739: commit the www/ patch? |
22:07:53 | AlexP | Does rbutil support it? |
22:08:52 | AlexP | release e-mail time? |
22:08:54 | mc2739 | is it ok to add the release to project news also? |
22:09:13 | mc2739 | ^^ for www |
22:09:16 | kugel | the new targets? |
22:09:30 | kugel | or the release? |
22:09:31 | bluebroth3r | AlexP: no, because rbutil expect a mountpoint −− and until the bootloader is installed there is none. |
22:09:34 | kugel | yes to both anyway :P |
22:09:40 | bluebroth3r | there's beastpatcher though. |
22:09:55 | CIA-8 | New commit by mc2739 (r24502): Promote e200v2 and Fuze to stable and announce Release 3.5 |
22:10:27 | AlexP | OK, mail coming up |
22:10:43 | bluebroth3r | and for the dualboot issue (my beast is affected) we could simply make dualboot the recommended install |
22:11:01 | mc2739 | B4gder: Can you update the webserver? |
22:11:05 | * | kugel finds the "(all models)" redundant, but well |
22:11:16 | mc2739 | blame Jdgordon_ |
22:11:23 | bluebroth3r | as for rbutil support I was considering adding build-only support. Bootloader installation requires some more fundamental changes (like handling of a configuration without mountpoint and rescanning later) |
22:11:37 | B4gder | web updated |
22:11:42 | CIA-8 | New commit by Domonoky (r24503): romote e200v2 and Fuze to stable in this file too. |
22:12:30 | mc2739 | Is anyone doing the forum announcement? |
22:12:45 | kugel | who's doing the press release ? :) |
22:12:46 | Topic | "3.5 has been released! | RC builds at http://usa.jdgordon.info/rockbox/3.5rc/ | Please read before speaking: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IrcGuidelines | Please direct offtopic/social chat to #rockbox-community | This channel is logged at http://www.rockbox.org/irc" by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
22:12:55 | AlexP | kugel: I just sent the release mail |
22:13:06 | * | Jdgordon_ doesnt think the rc build link needs to stay in the topic |
22:13:08 | B4gder | maybe the rc builds mention could be taken off the topic |
22:13:08 | AlexP | forum coming up |
22:13:15 | AlexP | oops, missed that |
22:13:20 | kugel | btw I still get the dynamic playlist erase warning |
22:13:20 | bluebroth3r | fixed rbutil bugs in the Rockbox release notes? |
22:13:26 | domonoky | B4gder: please update the rockbox trunk on the webserver too, (or is this part automatic ? ) |
22:13:29 | kugel | Jdgordon_: didn't you mean to fix it? |
22:13:44 | Topic | "3.5 has been released! | Please read before speaking: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IrcGuidelines | Please direct offtopic/social chat to #rockbox-community | This channel is logged at http://www.rockbox.org/irc" by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
22:13:56 | B4gder | domonoky: the rockbox trunk for what purpose you mean? |
22:14:19 | domonoky | where the builds.pm sits (my last commit) |
22:14:30 | Jdgordon_ | kugel: fix what? |
22:14:36 | B4gder | ah right, yes that is separate |
22:14:48 | B4gder | it should happen by auto |
22:14:55 | domonoky | oki, good. |
22:15:00 | kugel | Jdgordon_: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/9660 |
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22:15:14 | * | GodEater does the offical 3.5 tweet :) |
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22:15:47 | Jdgordon_ | wtf? |
22:15:51 | bluebroth3r | how often are the mirrors synced? |
22:16:02 | B4gder | once per hour |
22:16:02 | Jdgordon_ | depends how far away you stand |
22:16:31 | kugel | wtf what? |
22:17:41 | Jdgordon_ | how was I meant to know you were talking about that patch? |
22:18:38 | Jdgordon_ | and even then, I still have no idea what you're tlaking abuot |
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22:19:20 | kugel | I thought you fixed the warning about deleting the dynamic playlist |
22:19:47 | pixelma | hmm... customisable statusbars |
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22:21:20 | Jdgordon_ | kugel: pretend for the moment I'm clueless... start again? |
22:21:37 | kugel | " FS #9660 - Database selections trigger the dynamic playlist warning " |
22:21:40 | kugel | I still get that |
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22:23:05 | B4gder | hm, the download page still says 3.4 |
22:23:12 | pixelma | rr... and bubbles isn't completely fixed (well it's playable on all screens but on a few screens still a bit off in its layout. I forgot that I had something a bit more correct |
22:23:56 | * | GodEater learns about "ip address del" and puts it to good use |
22:24:54 | pixelma | at the same time you might have forgotten which channel you are in, or? |
22:25:15 | B4gder | haha |
22:26:08 | GodEater | um, not forgotten, just failed to observe |
22:26:11 | * | amiconn wonders where rockbox on his beast went... |
22:26:11 | GodEater | sorry :) |
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22:28:12 | CIA-8 | New commit by dast (r24504): I heard we're on 3.5! |
22:28:22 | GodEater | can we mend the download page? |
22:28:28 | AlexP | bluebroth3r: Feel free to remove them |
22:28:42 | B4gder | hm, now that was a weird commit id |
22:28:52 | GodEater | a weird commit comment |
22:30:31 | Jake___ | Hi. Can anyone tell me how to ID the chipset of an MP3 player? I'm almost certain that I have a model that's a clone of something. |
22:31:24 | B4gder | Jake___: 1) visual reading of the chips on the PCB 2) reading disassembly |
22:31:56 | GodEater | and "clone" normally only means "looks like a well known player on the outside, but absolutely nothing like it technically" |
22:32:13 | Jdgordon_ | right, now we are done with the release can we talk about how pointless they are again? |
22:32:23 | GodEater | Jdgordon_: no |
22:32:24 | B4gder | clone also often means Chinese, which limits the selection of chipsets used |
22:32:32 | Jdgordon_ | especially how its obvious noone really had any interest in it this time |
22:32:45 | bluebroth3r | AlexP: done :) |
22:32:46 | GodEater | our users did |
22:32:52 | pixelma | there was more interest than last time |
22:32:53 | B4gder | JdGordon: I believe they have a point to many people outside of this channel |
22:33:02 | GodEater | yes indeed |
22:33:30 | pixelma | even (or because) it took a month longer |
22:33:36 | Jdgordon_ | but we arnt doing this for them. we are doing this for we.. |
22:33:58 | GodEater | I think you're mistaken |
22:34:34 | bluebroth3r | aren't we doing it for the fame? ;-) |
22:34:56 | GodEater | and the women |
22:34:58 | GodEater | and the power |
22:35:09 | Jake___ | Damn. I don't suppose anyone knows if the Logik MP31002 is a rebranded version of something you've already ported Rockbox to? |
22:35:47 | GodEater | Jake___: even if it were (and I don't think it is), the chances of the drivers that need to go with it ALSO matching are virtually zero |
22:38:17 | * | B4gder fails to find any info online on the Logik MP31002 internals |
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22:40:40 | * | GodEater strips B4gder of his black google-fu belt |
22:40:52 | GodEater | you must train harder grasshipper |
22:40:54 | GodEater | er |
22:40:56 | GodEater | hopper |
22:40:56 | * | B4gder hangs head |
22:41:21 | Jake___ | I can tell you it seems to be a fairly typical USB flash memory job with a voice recorder, at least. |
22:41:55 | B4gder | if I was to guess blindly, I would say sigmatel |
22:42:39 | pixelma | same as the Logik Dax? |
22:42:55 | * | Jake___ slaps his forehead. "I'm an idiot. It's got Sigma-Tel written on it somewhere, hasn't it?" |
22:43:16 | B4gder | it does? |
22:43:30 | B4gder | now then I should at least get some points back ;-) |
22:43:48 | Jake___ | Let me go find it. |
22:43:49 | GodEater | B4gder: sheer blind luck does not award you points! |
22:44:14 | * | GodEater imagines the best way to find out about it's innards is to dismantle it. |
22:46:20 | kugel | releases are good for us too, it makes us keeping it usable once in a while :9 |
22:48:41 | Jake___ | Back. And I misremembered; it's not got Sigma-Tel branding (wish I could remember where the manual went) but it's UI is almost identical to a Sigma-Tel one I had once. |
22:50:15 | GodEater | Jake___: take it apart - it's the best way |
22:50:48 | Jake___ | It's also the way that's most likely to permanently trash it. |
22:51:10 | krazykit | not if you're careful in pulling it apart |
22:51:42 | B4gder | most devices are quite possibly to pick apart if you're gentle and careful |
22:51:48 | B4gder | possible even |
22:52:13 | Jdgordon_ | and *all* will eventually come apaprt with enough force :D |
22:52:31 | Jake___ | On second thoughts, I might be able to; it's got screws, instead of being all-glued like I first thought. |
22:52:32 | GodEater | ipods (in my experience) were by far the hardest to dismantle |
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22:52:48 | GodEater | and they still survive it ok |
22:53:35 | * | Jake___ just needs to buy a new, insanely tiny screwdriver first. |
22:53:41 | GodEater | even if it's internally very similar to the Logik Dax, we never finished that port did we? |
22:53:50 | * | GodEater looks at linuxstb significantly |
22:54:31 | B4gder | Jake___: that screwdriver might cost you more than that measly 2GB player you want to pick apart... :-) |
22:55:28 | Jake___ | Not remotely, I'm afraid; no DAB function for a start. And I need it anyway; got a laptop CD drive in need of repair. |
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22:55:49 | bertrik | do the usb ids (product/vendor id) look familiar to ones we already know? |
22:59:01 | Jake___ | It's a Logik LOGMP31002, apparently. |
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23:14:24 | * | kugel syncing the pla rework patch is a pain :( |
23:14:52 | gevaerts | kugel: you mean, *you* doing it is a pain, if someone else did it it wouldn't be? ;) |
23:15:06 | kugel | not for me yes :) |
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23:15:25 | Jdgordon_ | so commit it? |
23:15:28 | Jdgordon_ | whats holding it back? |
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23:16:46 | kugel | the work needed to sync it! |
23:18:31 | * | kugel why can't new targets follow the UP/DOWN/LEFT/RIGHT button scheme :( |
23:21:08 | Jdgordon_ | Stephen__: is the clip theme for the e200 you? |
23:21:15 | Stephen__ | yep. |
23:21:30 | Jdgordon_ | all I can say is... HAHAHAHA |
23:22:14 | Jdgordon_ | (haha funny not haha bad) |
23:22:37 | Stephen__ | got the idea for it last week |
23:22:48 | Stephen__ | shame about the list being wrong but how and ever |
23:23:05 | Jdgordon_ | you could drop the list viewport down another 8 pixels and it would work |
23:23:30 | kugel | lol nice |
23:23:52 | Stephen__ | yeah but the top level folder would still be blue right |
23:23:54 | Stephen__ | ? |
23:24:12 | Jdgordon_ | what would be hillarious is if sansa sued us for (c) infringment or TM or something |
23:24:36 | Stephen__ | ha how would they do that ? |
23:24:48 | Jdgordon_ | you never know what they've trademarked |
23:25:03 | Stephen__ | them two colours being used together ? |
23:25:55 | Jdgordon_ | sure, why not? |
23:26:18 | Stephen__ | then i'll change it ever so slightly but it will still look the same anyway. |
23:26:34 | Jdgordon_ | no, dont worry about it |
23:26:41 | Jdgordon_ | I'm just syaing it would be funny if that happened |
23:26:41 | Stephen__ | i doubt they would anyway |
23:26:48 | * | Jdgordon_ was a warped sense of the rediculous |
23:27:54 | * | linuxstb sees the Logik LOGMP31002 appears to be stmp3504 - http://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/topic1349667.html |
23:28:11 | * | linuxstb also sees that Jake____ left... |
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23:29:37 | Stephen__ | in the release nots for 3.5 should e200v2 and fuze not be in stable ? or are you counting them stable after the release ? |
23:29:42 | Stephen__ | nots/notes |
23:30:38 | gevaerts | ? |
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23:31:14 | Stephen__ | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes35 - listed stable ports doesn't include the e200v2 or fuze |
23:31:28 | Stephen__ | oops my mistake |
23:31:29 | linuxstb | Is the e200r supported by rbutil? |
23:31:32 | Stephen__ | its c220v2 |
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23:38:41 | HontoniLinux | Heya, it's my first time on here. Been lurking the forums/reading the wiki for a couple of months. |
23:39:07 | HontoniLinux | Basically I'm looking into buying a new "MP3"-player, which is a current model (or at least still sold in retail) which works with rockbox/has progress made and likely to be supported in the future. |
23:40:37 | HontoniLinux | I've looked some at the sansa models and the D2 (although this is slightly over budget). Any recommendations in terms of these models, or others for that matter? |
23:42:18 | linuxstb | HontoniLinux: The list of targets on the front page, and their categorisation is pretty accurate. i.e. anything in "stable" should be running Rockbox well. Anything in "unstable" will have problems of one kind or another. |
23:43:25 | linuxstb | Typically, the older the device, the better Rockbox runs on it. So your wish for a current model that runs Rockbox well is sadly not an option. |
23:44:43 | HontoniLinux | linuxstb: For the sake of hardware becoming too complex or just since there has been more time available for developing for it? |
23:45:16 | linuxstb | The second. It generally takes a long time to port Rockbox to a new device, and by the time that happens, the device isn't sold new any more. |
23:45:58 | HontoniLinux | Thought so. The thing is basically that I don't mind running the original firmware for the time being. |
23:46:29 | HontoniLinux | I'd just want a device that is (very) likely to be supported in the future. If it makes any sense. |
23:46:59 | kugel | Torne: ping |
23:48:01 | saratoga | linuxstb: its not supported by rbutil |
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23:48:13 | linuxstb | HontoniLinux: I don't think there's any devices in that category. Maybe the current Sansas, but no-one can guarantee that a port will be successful - there may be unsolved technical problems, or simply no-one spends the required time on it. |
23:48:40 | linuxstb | saratoga: I didn't think so. But that's not what the home page says, or the 3.5 release notes.... |
23:48:59 | * | linuxstb is aware the e200r has been in the "stable" list for a long time... |
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23:50:54 | HontoniLinux | linuxstb: I'm aware there are no guarantees or anything. I'd be happy making a choice which probably would end up being good but if it doesn't it's not like it's the end of the world. |
23:51:25 | linuxstb | HontoniLinux: Why not just buy a device which is already supported by Rockbox? The Sansas for example are very easy to find used/refurbished. |
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23:52:30 | Saliver | hey guys |
23:52:38 | Saliver | big question from germany |
23:52:44 | 15SAABJ07 | hi |
23:52:56 | 15SAABJ07 | hi |
23:53:07 | Saliver | I just managed to put rockbox on my ipod mini second generation |
23:53:28 | Saliver | but the bettery life decreases after that about 30% ? |
23:53:53 | HontoniLinux | linuxstb: I guess you have a point. Is the e260/e270 etc part of the e200? |
23:54:02 | Saliver | is it obviously when I'am usin rockbox? |
23:54:24 | linuxstb | HontoniLinux: Yes - that's what the "series" means. i.e. anything matching e2x0 |
23:54:42 | HontoniLinux | linuxstb: Cheers |
23:54:46 | linuxstb | Saliver: How have you measured that decrease? |
23:54:55 | Saliver | its just a feeling |
23:55:14 | Saliver | as far as i know my battery should life about 18 hours |
23:55:40 | saratoga | well measure it and come back if its actually a problem |
23:55:45 | bluebroth3r | Saliver: so you just installed it and already had it running 18 hours? |
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23:55:48 | Saliver | but with rockbox its about 7 or 8 hours ? |
23:55:54 | linuxstb | On some devices Rockbox has longer battery life than the original firmware, on others it has shorter. I don't know about the 2nd gen mini specifically. |
23:56:21 | * | bluebroth3r thinks the mini2g is ok but hasn't compared with OF |
23:56:46 | Jdgordon_ | 2nd gen mini has great batt life |
23:56:51 | Jdgordon_ | easily 18 hours |
23:56:52 | Saliver | yeah its working like a charm |
23:57:07 | * | Jdgordon_ has a CF in it though so might be more than with a hard disk |
23:57:10 | Saliver | but my battery is not that good |
23:57:34 | Saliver | Jdgordon, did you tried it ? |
23:57:40 | Saliver | try |
23:57:53 | Jdgordon_ | try what? |
23:58:22 | Saliver | tried rockbox with the ipod mini 2g |
23:58:37 | Saliver | i mean meassure the batterylife |
23:58:46 | bluebroth3r | Saliver: did you? |