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#rockbox log for 2010-02-06

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00:06:53bluebrotherwhat do people thing about dropping support for OS X 10.4 for Rockbox Utility?
00:09:42JdGordonnot untill we can drop charcell and hwcodec support!
00:11:17*bluebrother sees too many functions with "Available in Mac OS X v10.5 and later" :/
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00:24:52piotrekmhi, i'd only like to mention that on nano2g rockbox svn sometimes swaps channels in mp3 files (flacs played ok), especially when skipping a track and coming back to it.
00:26:06piotrekmoh, it is already a bug FS #10812, sorry
00:26:26TheSevenoh no, not again...
00:26:48TheSevenpiotrekm: can you try verifying that it's really only mp3? i can't imagine that
00:27:07TheSevenif it would be related to mp3, it would be very unlikely that only nano2g is affected
00:27:34piotrekmTheSeven: sorry, i wasn't specific, in flacs i had not problem, but in ogg and mp3 i did
00:27:41piotrekmor maybe it was an accident flacs played ok
00:28:43TheSevenpiotrekm: please double-check that
00:28:51piotrekmok, doing that
00:28:51TheSeveni would expect flacs to be affected, too
00:29:13TheSevenbut honestly I don't have any idea what could still be causing that
00:29:15bluebrother~?
00:29:15bluebrother~? ~ ?
00:29:49TheSevenWe once had an issue where the channels swapped on play/pause, which was fixed...
00:29:59*bluebrother curses the network connection
00:30:22TheSevenare the channels always reversed at the beginning of a track? or on play/pause? or do they just swap all of a sudden in the middle of a track?
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00:33:33CIA-88New commit by 03jdgordon (r24525): Aceppt FS #10945 by Tomasz Kowalczyk - Fix playlists not returning to the origional order after shuffle/unshuffle
00:34:33piotrekmTheSeven: ok, flacs are wrong too. It happens durig playing next/new file, i haven't experienced this during pausing/unpausing or while listening - and i listened quite a lot recently.
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00:35:16TheSevenok, so a sample seems to sometimes get lost on the i2s bus when starting playback
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00:36:18piotrekmTheSeven: what's more curious, when playing a series of short tracks in different formats ("Left Right" from http://binkster.net/extras.shtml), the channels happen to swap quickly for the first second of the file, and then settle down
00:36:21JdGordonAlexP: can you file a bug for the wps problems? I dont know when I'm going to get a chance to look at it properly... sunday maybe, but dunno
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00:37:24TheSevenhm, dma latencies during buffering?
00:37:39piotrekmi can record that for you
00:39:58AlexPJdGordon: Sure
00:40:41*TheSeven will try to reproduce that on his nano later
00:41:52AlexPJdGordon: Do you want me to assign it to you?
00:42:10JdGordonna
00:42:24flybackwoot
00:42:29JdGordonno need. I'm happy to let someone else fix it if they want :)
00:42:30flybackthe broken iriver I bought works with the new hd
00:42:34flybacknext step rockbox :)
00:42:49flybackespically since their firmware tools are CANUCKED or their web links are broken
00:42:54flybackso I only have a older firmware on it anyways
00:43:02piotrekmTheSeven: and about that initial channel swapping, it happens only with the wav file.
00:43:04JdGordonjust make sure you set the category to WPS and nag me every few days
00:43:06piotrekmgoodnight
00:43:07*flyback ponders purging all traces of iriver firmware from unit
00:43:24AlexPJdGordon: Righto
00:43:27JdGordonamiconn: you didnt do the boot benchmarking yet I assume?
00:43:31*TheSeven would like to do that on his ipod but failed badly
00:45:51flybackTheSeven, did you brick it?
00:46:05TheSevenno, i didn't even come that far :-/
00:46:16TheSeveni failed to flash it at all
00:46:20flybackoh ok cause ebay sells a cheap parallel port jtag for $5 and $5 ship
00:46:31flybackI have one, I build a led test rig and it passed
00:46:35TheSevenflyback: jtag won't help on that device...
00:46:40flybackgoing to try to jtag something this weekend
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00:46:44flybackbeen wanting a jtag for yrs
00:47:32TheSevenapple/samsung used some kind of voodoo to prevent us from using their jtag port properly
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00:53:41AlexPJdGordon: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10969
00:54:03JdGordonyep, I sees it :)
00:54:19AlexPcool :)
00:54:55TheSevenf*ck! it wrote to some place where it shouldn't have written...
00:58:32TheSevenbetter not reboot that thing now...
00:58:55CIA-88New commit by 03jdgordon (r24526): make all the RTC tokens in the skins be useable in conditionals (I dare anyone to use %cY though :D )
00:59:11TheSevenanyways, it's creeping slow without completion detection...
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01:00:57TheSevenan awful 940 bytes(!) per second!
01:01:22TheSevenobviously those delay loops are highly inaccurate
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01:25:25TheSevenphew... finally recovered it
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01:30:48*TheSeven just spotted something that suggests that one possibly could do screen updates via dma on nano2g
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02:15:59TheSevenbreakthrough?
02:16:03TheSevenyes!
02:16:18TheSeveni managed to invert the colors of the apple logo in norboot, without bricking ;-)
02:16:59Unhelpfulthat's good?
02:17:45TheSevenwell, it means that we can properly decrypt, modify, re-encrypt, sign and flash that image \o/
02:18:21TheSeveni just don't dare to touch the norboot code itself yet
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02:24:25Unhelpful"we" can? or does the crypto still involve some hidden bits on the nano?
02:25:05TheSevenit's a device-dependent key
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02:25:10TheSevenyou need to do it on the very same ipod
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02:39:02TheSevenok, my ipod just survived a recovery through bootrom dfu
02:39:17TheSevennice to know that my tools for that actually work
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05:11:18Ebert_the new status bar is displaying on top of the battery and volume icons on my m:robe
05:11:34Ebert_im using 3.5 stable, just upgraded
05:11:49Ebert_its also flickering back and forth
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05:32:19Ademandumb question: I'm going to be borrowing someone's iPod for a while (they said they won't miss it) but it's forseeable that they'd eventually want it back (although it's gone unused for >1 year) is there a reliable way to revert back to iPod firmware?
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05:34:36UnhelpfulAdeman: the rockbox utility can uninstall on most (all?) supported targets, see the manual for the device in question: http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml
05:35:31Unhelpfulalso dual-boot is supported... generally the rockbox bootloader is inserted into the device firmware such that it can load and run the rockbox firmware if not told to boot the OF. details vary from device to device. :)
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06:36:49*flyback bites Unhelpful
06:37:06flybackI asked you a question in #rockbox-community
06:37:16flybacktrying to help you with you rbattery problem
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10:02:21ucchanI haven't seen you for a long time.
10:02:28ucchanI cannot use the personal computer far from development Rockbox because I had gotten serious illness sick.
10:02:35ucchanAt last, the sickness recovered, and it came to be able to return to development.
10:02:43ucchanMoreover, my best regards.
10:03:25Unhelpfulwelcome back, then :)
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10:08:13ucchanthanks
10:10:59ucchanbecause there are a lot of patch files that I have submitted before, I will update them.
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10:24:13Unhelpfulamiconn: so "a slow enough codec can cause shutdown" is a semi-known issue on pp? also how hard *would* it be to make sure udiv32 ends up being the last thing in iram? i was actually thinking that it's almost entirely position-independent, so we *could* just have the code for it in dram with the table offset set up to put the table immediately after the function, and then copy the function and table to iram before stealing part of the
10:24:13Unhelpful table space for buffers. i think it could be set up so that none of the stuff that's larger to allow for this takes up any iram, so that nothing would get any *slower* than it is now.
10:25:57amiconnIt's not pp in general, just pp5022
10:26:44amiconnAnd it might be due to target properties not related to code
10:26:45Unhelpfulhrm, but isn't e200 pp5024?
10:27:01amiconnThe 5024 is a 5022 with tacked-on AS3514
10:27:11amiconnIt even reports as 5022 - see debug menu
10:28:31amiconnThe PP5022 I'm testing on (Mini G2 and c240v1) have significantly smaller batteries than the PP5020 targets, and the SoC does draw significantly more power when running at 80MHz for exctended times
10:28:54amiconnSo it might indeed cause the voltage to go too low.
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10:29:36amiconnAnother possibility would be that the low yield rate confuses the powermgmt thread so that it reports low voltage when voltage isn't actually low
10:31:32amiconnWhat speaks somewhat against it is that the two targets I'm observing this on (Mini G2 and c240v1) have different battery ADCs (Mini has PCF50605, c200 has AS3514), while a PP5020 target with the same ADC as the Mini (iPod Color) doesn't show this behaviour
10:31:54amiconn(H10 uses a different ADC - the PP built-in one)
10:35:20*amiconn isn't actually sure about the iPod Color behaviour, but testing just now
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10:52:29amiconnUnhelpful: Actually I was wrong. The Color behaves the same, i.e. it shuts down
10:53:38amiconnThe behaviour is indeed very weird. I started the -c5000 test on Mini G2 and Color almost at the same time. On both ipods, the backlight came on by itself after ~6 minutes and stayed on (!)
10:53:59amiconnAfter another ~6 minutes, the shutdown happened, also on both ipods
10:54:19amiconnSo it's not just PP5022
10:54:46amiconnAnd since I doubt the batteries behave exactly the same, it must be something in the code
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11:52:46CIA-88New commit by 03stripwax (r24527): Reorder args for XPROD31_R and XNPROD31_R (aka a fixed version of previous commit) to ideally pick up some early termination benefits
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11:54:40CIA-88New commit by 03stripwax (r24528): No point premultiplying by (-1)*(Twiddle) and then post multiplying by (-1)*(Twiddle) when you could just use Twiddle i.e. get rid of all that ...
11:56:40stripwaxmdctexp for vorbis now faster than trunk was mid-april last year. I'll compare vs trunk today :)
11:58:15Unhelpfulwouldn't that be twiddle^2? or is this another "transforms are funny" thing?
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11:58:50stripwaxthey're different twiddles. sorry, I wasn't clear!
11:59:01n1sstripwax: on cf too or just arm? also how much benefit does the early termination give?
11:59:24stripwaxn1s - just arm, cos I've been using my ipod as my test target.
11:59:33n1sUnhelpful: have you concidered trying to get your optimized clz and division functions into libgcc?
11:59:37stripwaxand I haven't written any coldfire asm in .. well... quite some time.
11:59:53n1sstripwax: ok, just curious
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12:00:33stripwaxnot sure how much benefit early termination gives, to be honest. Seems like perhaps about 0.5MHz benefit at low bitrates but about -0.5MHz at high bitrates.
12:00:47stripwaxi.e. slightly worse. but i've not measured that rigorously
12:01:08stripwaxn1s - you're welcome to take a look / try it out
12:01:14stripwaxfor coldfire, that is
12:01:30AlexPSo he can't for arm? :)
12:01:39stripwaxyeah or that too :)P
12:02:07n1sstripwax: i would like to but haven't brought any targets with me so i can't for a few months still
12:02:21Unhelpfuln1s: i'm pretty sure cf has a fixed delay on multiply. armv4+tdmi can take 2-5 cycles depending on how many significant bytes the second input operand has
12:02:31stripwaxyep
12:03:36n1sright, i was more thinking of how much spedup it gave, which stripwax answered :)
12:03:50Unhelpfulthe benefit can be nice if you're multiplying 32-bit values by 8- or 16-bit constants
12:04:27n1syeah, i suppose gcc doesn't know or care about that?
12:05:02Unhelpfulerm, by 8- or 16-bit values that are non-constant, really, on arm7tdmi. loads cost rather a lot there, so mul-by
12:05:25Unhelpfulgrr. mul-by-constant if the constant exceeds 8 bits is often easier to do with shift/add sequences
12:08:55stripwaxif it's quite a simple constant .. wouldn't work for cPI2_8
12:12:40stripwaxthe number of mult cyclces actually depends on how many *leading* 1s' (or 0s') the second input operand has - rather than just how many significant bytes
12:18:02stripwaxOk mdctexp is about 0.5MHz slower (at low bitrates) than trunk. still need to squeeze more out
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12:32:49stripwaxmdctexp quite a lot faster for WMA! gosh.
12:32:55Unhelpfulstripwax: i was treating all bits after the first one not matching the sign bit as significant... but yes, that's another way of putting it that might be clearer.
12:33:14stripwaxah yeah in that case we're talking about the same thing :)
12:33:38*Unhelpful supposes differences in speed change by codec mostly have to do with how much of their time is inside mdct
12:34:30stripwaxand also how large the mdct is. it's likely that mdctexp scales differently for large/smaller block sizes than trunk. not yet sure if that means trunk is better for large or small block sizes though. but vorbis and wma use different block sizes
12:36:35linuxstbTheSeven: What's your plan with the NOR on the Nano2G? Are you intending to flash your own bootloader at some point?
12:37:36linuxstbAnd do I understand correctly that you have worked out how to recover from a bad NOR using the DFU recovery mode (built into the boot ROM?) ?
12:42:10TheSevenlinuxstb: yes, a long-term goal could be replacing norboot. and yes, I can use the bootrom DFU mode for recovery. but only if i can enter it. and it is only entered if image validation for norboot fails, not if there is a valid, but non-working image
12:42:56TheSevenin that case, you would need to open up the ipod to unbrick it, by pulling a testpad high (which will force it to enter dfu mode)
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13:34:58*domonoky wonders if its worth to enable the other 12 8bit formats the asap codec supports. They dont have any real metadata, so enabling them is easy.
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13:43:37*domonoky decides that he will just enable those 12 other formats. more suported formats is always good.
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14:48:38bertrikI think I'll do a battery bench on my sansa clip with the voltage regulator set to a specific mode ("length regulation only", not using the charge pump)
14:54:24CIA-88New commit by 03Domonoky (r24534): Add Zipcontents to theme details page.
14:55:06rasherdomonoky: While you're poking at the theme site, I have a patch that might make sense
14:55:34domonokyrasher: feel free to poke at the page too :-)
14:55:43rasherWhich is to check if an uploaded theme includes a font that's in the font package, and reject it
14:55:54domonokythat sounds good.
14:55:55pixelmadomonoky: are the additional files also ".asap" files or another type?
14:56:15domonokypixelma: you mean the file extension ?
14:56:16pixelmathe ones you could play now
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14:56:34pixelmafile extension and codec info in the WPS
14:56:42rasherdomonoky: I'll post a patch, it's been a while since I did it, so it'd be great if you could have a look if it still makes sense
14:57:04domonokyfile extension are those in the commit message + .sap
14:57:16domonokydont know what the codec info in the wps displays :-)
14:58:43domonokyits all handled by one codec, but they are all different formats. like mp1 mp2 mp3 which are also handled by one codec.
14:59:02domonokyso i think the wps will display different codecs for all those different formats.
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14:59:34domonokyrasher: sure, post the patch, and i will look at it.
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15:02:18Unhelpfuln1s: i'm not really sure how i'd go about that. i'm also not sure if they had a reason for using a worse-but-smaller divider on armv4... though i suspect it's probably just compiled from C code and the only arm instruction set version not to have been done in asm.
15:03:05pixelmadomonoky: you can use plain %fc then it is probably true but you can also use it conditionally and I *think* this needs some changes to the parser. See http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/CustomWPS#File_Info
15:03:15rasherdomonoky: FS #10970
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15:05:22pixelmamaybe "plain" asap hasn't been adapted yet. You could try with different WPSs/themes, I believe there are both ways in SVN themes (depemds on your target's screen size which ones these are and if at all)
15:07:55domonokyhm, the mentioned firmware/export/id3.h doesnt exist anymore.
15:08:24domonokyand if it uses the enum from metadata.h it should now also include those new filetypes.
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15:10:28domonokyi hope that it automatically includes new codec types, and only the wiki is wrong. (wiki also doesnt mention the rm types)
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15:12:10*domonoky looks again at the code: if it uses the enum/struct from metadata.c/h all asap fileformats will display "asap", similar as mp1/mp2/mp3 all display "mpa"
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15:13:34perfectdrugdomonoky: I saw you're editing the themes site, in the detail view shouldn't "feedback" be renamed to "report" as it suggests general feedback without the description underneath, also I would like to see better rating stars where can I find the images to edit
15:14:02pixelmathey don't - or at least didn't when I last looked
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15:16:53CIA-88New commit by 03Domonoky (r24535): rename Feedback to Report, and move rateing input.
15:17:14domonokyperfectdrug: done :-)
15:17:36domonokypixelma: then i dont know what the wps uses to display this :-)
15:18:44perfectdrugdomonoky: :)
15:20:18domonokyrasher: patch looks fine. please commit it :-)
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15:21:32perfectdrugdomonoky: firefox tells me that the rating stars are 12x12 and are scaled to 15x15. are they scaled depending on the screensize or shouldn't they be scaled at all
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15:25:19domonokyperfectdrug: html template says display 15x15, but the images are 12x12. No scaling to screensize intended, i just played with the values till i decided it looks fine :-)
15:26:24domonokyperfectdrug: feel free to improve/play with the themesite code. its available via svn, and i also could provide you a vmware image with a test server :-)
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15:28:38pixelmastar images that are 15 x 15 might be a start
15:29:51perfectdrugok so I make some new stars 15x15 atm, a vmware image would be nice I guess but I don't think it's worth it for me, as I don't understand much of website coding
15:32:16domonokyperfectdrug: new starimages would be nice. i need a full filled star, a half filled and a empty star.
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15:57:30pixelmaI have a small patch for english.lang (removing the mention of MP3 for .talk files). Should the respective update to deutsch.lang be a seperate commit or can I commit both changes together?
15:58:29perfectdrugi don't know if this works as I used the rockboxyellow: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/283924/empty.png http://dl.dropbox.com/u/283924/half.png http://dl.dropbox.com/u/283924/filled.png
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16:07:43CIA-88New commit by 03Domonoky (r24538): New star images for the ratings from Marko Pahlke.
16:11:38perfectdrugdomonoky: cool this was faster than i thought
16:12:27domonoky:-)
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16:47:00*bluebroth3r now has a voice file generated with the TTS system of OS X :)
16:56:01kugelhm, the sidebar looks differently on the forums
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17:14:57Will_is it ok to use x64 Ubuntu to compile Rockbox?
17:15:07rasherYes
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17:18:17pixelmais the rockbox page unavailable to someone else too?
17:18:44bertrikworks fine for me
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17:21:33linuxstbMe too...
17:22:28bluebroth3rany objections to closing FS #10972? It's definitely not a bug
17:28:41rasherClose close close!
17:29:04linuxstbbluebroth3r: That seems an obvious feature request. You could point him to http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?board=49.0
17:29:58*bluebroth3r just closed it with a notice (but without a link)
17:34:25pixelmano opinion about my lang commit question earlier?
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17:36:54rasherI don't see a reason to commit them separately
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17:40:34domonokybluebroth3r: cool,
17:40:49CIA-88New commit by 03pixelma (r24540): Remove 'mp3' from the .talk files setting as it isn't true for most targets. This way we don't need different strings for hwcodec and swcodec. Update ...
17:42:35domonokybluebroth3r: if you are fiddeling with the tts system in rbutil, you might also want to look at the open-sapi patch in the tracker. :-) (which gives sapi voices on win/lin/mac)
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17:50:02bluebroth3rdomonoky: ok. There's still a lot to do though, my current changes are pretty rough (and have some strange issues I need to figure first)
17:50:19bluebroth3rbut why opensapi for windows? Doesn't windows support SAPI out of the box? ;-)
17:52:10domonokybluebroth3r: opensapi acts like a interface layer, like the sapi_voice script we use currently. on lin/mac it uses wine to run sapi.
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17:52:41domonokyso we can replace the sapi_voice script with the open-sapi binarys, and dont have to maintain two sapi tts classes.
17:52:52*bluebroth3r has a hanging rbutil on autodetect :(
17:53:03bluebroth3rdomonoky: sounds nice :)
17:54:53domonokythe downside is, that this opensapi binarys are quite big. so i am unsure if we really should embedd them.
17:56:46bluebroth3rwell, let's see later. There's enough to do for OS X Speech Syntesizer support first
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17:57:41bluebroth3rbtw, how do you feel about dropping support for OS X 10.4? Qt 4.7 is likely to drop it, and some of the audio functionality that might be nice is only available starting with 10.5
17:57:55FlynDicebertrik: The clip+ pwr button appears to be on D6 as you found yesterday and you mentioned another here−−>[14:41] <bertrik> yes maybe, there's also another pin being made temporarily high while reading D6 Do you recall which one that was?
17:58:23bluebroth3rone problem is that the TTS system of OS X creates aiff files, while we need wav. I'm currently using libsndfile for conversion, but it's yet another dependency on a library
17:58:44*kugel found his fuzev2 disassembly
17:59:24domonokyi am not sure about the 10.4 issue. dont know how many macs with 10.4 are out there.
17:59:59domonokybluebroth3r: or make rbspeexenc accept aiff :-)
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18:00:49bluebroth3rdomonoky: what about wavtrim? That would need adjustment too
18:01:13domonokytrue,
18:01:15bluebroth3rthe thing is that there's a way to convert this with OS X itself, but the API I looked at requires at least 10.5
18:01:23pixelmain the office I currently work in, there are a few running 10.4
18:01:50pixelmanot sure how represantative is
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18:01:55bluebroth3rhehe, that "Pipe Organ" voice is funny. Not really suitable for serious use, though.
18:02:13*bluebroth3r has a feeling that there are still quite a few out there
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18:02:58bluebroth3rwell, if I manage to get it working nicely with libsndfile that isn't a reason anymore
18:03:17kugelpixelma: isn't the source in all languages wrong now? (re your commit)?
18:03:47pixelmayes, and it should be so that translators will have a look at it
18:04:17pixelmaI don't know if other languages contain the "mp3" part and how they would have to be changed if they do
18:04:17bluebroth3rdomonoky: would it be hard to make voice generation multithreaded? It's a bit annoying to see it taking quite a while but only using one of the two cores on my mac
18:04:47domonokybluebroth3r: at least for parts of it should be easy.
18:05:27domonokyfor example the encoding could be easily done paralell with the QConcurrent api.
18:07:15pixelmathere were no complaints (I saw) about Rockbox USB support being broken during the time it was on MacOS 10.4 (from introducing HID until it was possible to disable it) so maybe not that many Macs with 10.4 and Rockbox USB target users)
18:07:18bluebroth3rI'm not really familiar with that API. Did a bit of looking into QThread but that's it. Might be worth a try.
18:08:14domonokycreating voice files is similarly easy todo in paralell, but i am not sure if all tts engines we use are multthread safe.
18:12:42kugelopenmp?
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18:55:28TheSevenlinuxstb: I've made quite some progress during the last hours
18:56:02linuxstbTheSeven: With the NOR?
18:56:09TheSevenyep
18:56:43TheSeveni could theoretically bootstrap almost everything through DFU now
18:56:54TheSevenmost of the hardware init stuff is figured out...
18:57:28TheSevenand the flasher seems to work fine, but is still slow (~15KB/s)
18:58:37kugeldoes your work mean you could potentially flash rockbox to the nor and replace the apple os completely?
18:58:51linuxstbSo DFU mode is entered if a) the NAND is invalid; or b) you pull a testpad high?
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19:28:02bertrikFlynDice, nice to hear about the power button find, I'll need to have another look at the button read code
19:28:35TheSevenlinuxstb: s/NAND/NOR/, but the rest is correct
19:29:10linuxstbTheSeven: Yes, I meant to say NOR ;)
19:29:29linuxstbTheSeven: Does the DFU payload need encrypting?
19:29:30bertrikthe meizus and the samsung yp-s3 (s5l8700 targets) all connect the go-to-DFU mode to a physical button
19:29:37TheSevenlinuxstb: yes
19:29:55linuxstbTheSeven: With which key?
19:30:01TheSevenGID
19:30:11TheSevenbut there is a buffer overflow in the dfu code itself that could potentially be used, even though I didn't manage to exploit it yet
19:30:15linuxstbThat's the same as the firmware images on the NAND ?
19:30:37TheSevenbertrik: didn't they do it through the BOOT_MODE pin?
19:30:54TheSevenlinuxstb: the key, yes. the container format is a little different
19:31:07TheSeventhey're using a total of 3 crypto container formats!
19:31:34linuxstbTheSeven: OK. But the important thing is that it can be generated once, and then used on any ipod?
19:31:41TheSevenyep
19:32:14TheSevenso you can use a different ipod to recover you own one ;-)
19:32:31linuxstbYes, the alternative would be a bit tricky ;)
19:33:50TheSeveni already made a DFU image that contains the most recent ibugger loader
19:34:04TheSevenso we can basically use that to run whatever we want on it
19:34:47linuxstbHow big is the NOR?
19:34:59TheSeven1MB
19:36:34saratogais ebay the best bet to buy a Nano 2G?
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19:39:30*TheSeven grumbles about that oscillator switch on the nano
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19:40:50Luca_SI'm following the recent work on the Clip+V2 and have a question
19:41:29topikthere is no clip+ v2 though
19:41:36Luca_Soh well clip+
19:41:38Luca_Ssorry
19:41:49Luca_Son the first commit about the Clip+ there was a comment that said 'this should make the fuzev2 boot loader easier'
19:41:56Luca_Swas it a typo?
19:42:18Luca_Sor the clip+ and the fuzev2 have something in common?
19:42:32topikall ams sansa's have a lot in common
19:42:56saratogathey're nearly the same hardware put into different boxes
19:42:57topikit wasn't a typo
19:43:35Luca_Snice to hear :D
19:43:53Luca_SI had an e280 that got stolen some time ago
19:44:13Luca_SI bought a fuze hoping it was a v1, but it was a v1 and got stuck with the OF
19:44:17Luca_S*v2
19:44:49Luca_Swell, gotta go... keep rocking guys :D
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19:52:11kugelin fact, my fuzev2 runs a "bootloader" already
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19:54:56kugelbertrik: the fuzev2 polls gpio for buttons, but the dbop_read_din still exists
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20:00:39TheSevenlinuxstb: have you figured out how to initialize your type of lcds properly?
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20:04:27linuxstbTheSeven: No, I haven't done anything with my Nano for months...
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20:05:36TheSevenhm, I think I remember you worked on some lcd init stuff back then
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20:15:45CIA-88New commit by 03b0hoon (r24541): Packard Bell Vibe 500: touchpad code rework. Improve touch sensivity a bit by setting the MEP parameters in the power_init() function. Implement new ...
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20:42:42Alfadashey guys! can someone help me? a friend of mine installed rockbox on my ipod nano 2g. Almost everything workes fine. But everytime i klick next/previous song my audio channels swap. that's really annoying :(
20:44:03bertrikFlynDice, it switches GPIO B6 as output, waits a bit, then reads GPIO D6 but only if the earlier D6 read returned 0
20:44:41bertrikI don't see which way GPIO B6 is switched (high or low). I also don't see it being switched back to being input.
20:44:57bertrikso in short, I don't quite understand it yet :P
20:44:57FlynDicebertrik: That's interesting.. Thanks for going back to look!.
20:45:03*TheSeven wonders which GPIO the hold switch on nano2g is
20:45:40TheSevenAlfadas: someone reported something similar yesterday. I need to look into this...
20:46:03FlynDicebertrik: Can you give me an address for the button code?
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20:47:17bertrikFlynDice, the entire button read code starts at 0x7988
20:47:29FlynDiceThanks!
20:47:56bertrikthe GPIO B6 thing starts at 0x7a50 (in the same function)
20:48:45Alfadasokay, thx :) this bug is getting on my nerves :(
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20:53:13Alfadasthx TheSeven :) i have to go now.. bye guys =)
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21:08:04TheSevendoes anyone around here have an opened-up nano2g or is willing to open it?
21:14:41piotrekmTheSeven: you mean for testing or just reference? I would be willing, but in two weeks i'm afraid.
21:15:29TheSevenfor testing
21:15:56TheSeveni am currently preparing a replacement for norboot, and need someone to test it
21:16:10TheSevenif it fails, you'll need to open your ipod in order to be able to recover
21:16:17bluebroth3rhmm. What encoding is used for voice files? utf-8, right?
21:16:22TheSevenand it isn't very unlikely that it will fail :-/
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21:22:47piotrekmTheSeven: if two weeks is not a problem, you can count me in. Provided i will akways be able to recover it anyhow by myself
21:23:25TheSevenit would involve opening it and connecting two testpoints on the board
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21:26:29piotrekmThat sounds ok
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22:24:58piotrekmDoes radio support work on nano2g?
22:28:46TheSevenprobably not
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22:33:58bertrikI think we do support radio on the remote of the ipod color/video
22:34:36bertrikso it's "just" a question of enabling the uart to be able to talk to the remote, right?
22:34:51saratogashould be
22:37:09TheSevensomeone needs to do it ;-)
22:37:57*bertrik sees a great opportunity for piotrekm to help
22:38:46TheSeveni even have a little bit of uart example code ;-)
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22:45:40TheSevenbertrik: btw, in what shape are the other s5l870x ports?
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22:47:09bertrikbasically the same as before, not very far, I have a bootloader for the yp-s3 that can read buttons, control leds, backlight, LCD, radio, but can't boot anything
22:47:44TheSevenso what's the blocker? the ftl?
22:47:48bertrikthe meizu m3 bootloader can control LCD, read touchstrip, play a short audio clip (possibly broken by now), but can't boot either
22:48:22bertrikthe meizu m6 only has a half-working display driver (hangs after activating the display)
22:48:28bertrikTheSeven, yes basically
22:49:28bertrikalso, I think I'm the only one "working" on it at all AFAIK
22:50:19saratogaanyone feel like benchmarking the mdctlib on coldfire? i can provide binaries if needed
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22:50:33TheSevenworking out how to read from the flash shouldn't be too hard...
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22:55:27linuxstbTheSeven: When you say you need someone to test a new nor image, do you mean after you've tested it? Or instead of you testing it? ;)
22:55:43TheSevenboth :-D
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22:56:11TheSevenif anyone has an opened-up ipod lying around, he should obviously test it first.
22:56:30TheSeveni don't really want to open mine, and i don't even have proper tools to do so
22:57:08TheSeventoo bad that stooo isn't around
22:58:48Buschelanyone with a coldfire target willing to test fs#10974?
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23:00:26pixelmahooray for consistency - in the Rockbox Utility German translation we have "Talk Dateien", "Talkdateien", "Talk-Dateien", ".talk Dateien" and in one place "Sprachdateien" - Rockbox itself uses "Sprachclips"
23:00:26linuxstbTheSeven: So how have you been testing DFU?
23:01:21domonokypixelma: :-) feel free to improve the translation.
23:01:37TheSevenlinuxstb: testing dfu is relatively low-risk
23:02:00TheSevenstooo verified a dfu-based trivial ibugger for me, and from that point i worked on my own ipod
23:02:37linuxstbTheSeven: But I mean how do you enter DFU mode?
23:02:45TheSeveni just trashed norboot on the flash
23:02:55pixelmadomonoky: is it possible under windows/cygwin?
23:03:17TheSeventhe only thing that is really bad is if you have a norboot image that passes validation but fails to work
23:03:37linuxstbTheSeven: Ah, OK. So you corrupt your NOR, play with DFU, then fix the NOR?
23:04:17domonokypixelma: just windows needed. get qLinguist and edit the german.ts from svn
23:04:26TheSevenlinuxstb: basically yes
23:04:43pixelmadomonoky: need to google for that
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23:07:08domonokypixelma: http://code.google.com/p/qtlinguistdownload/ for a download with only QLinguist
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23:10:24pixelmathanks
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23:11:08domonokypixelma: ideally you should run lupdate rbutilqt.pro before translating to make sure you got the newest string. but then you need the full qt enviroment.
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23:12:31domonokypixelma: or just use this http://pastebin.com/m1adfe180 rbutil_de.ts file (i just lupdated it) :-)
23:14:15pixelmaI'd also wish the Utility would stay in the generate talk clips window when ready - or at least keep the setting for installing talk clips for files or not
23:14:31TheSevenlinuxstb: sounds like my loader works ;-)
23:15:11amiconnbluebroth3r: Nope. The encoding used for voice files is either bitswapped mp3 or speex, depending on target ;)
23:15:14toffe82I have a funny message with rbutil 1.24 : target mismatch detected : installed target : gigabeatf , selected target : Gigabeat F / X
23:15:32toffe82is this due to the change of the target name ?
23:16:06domonokytoffe82: yes.
23:16:15toffe82ok
23:16:20domonokygigabeatf is now named gigabeatfx
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23:17:57amiconndomonoky: Does the version of 'lupdate' matter?
23:18:55domonokyamiconn: probably not much, i would expect the .ts format to be pretty stable in qt.
23:19:43pixelmatoffe82: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=23804.msg161722#msg161722
23:19:50pixelmaand following
23:20:04toffe82pixelma: thanks
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23:27:27pamauryhow does the build script measure binsize increase/decrease ? I would like to test on my computer to know whether some optimizing are worthless or not
23:28:58linuxstbSee the rockbox-info.txt file created by the build system (as part of make zip I think)
23:29:30pamaurythanks !
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23:40:22amiconndomonoky: Hmm, I just tried to build rbutilqt, and it worked (the only package I had to install was libusb-dev, as I already hat most of the Qt stuff installed for buliding quassel)
23:40:42amiconnIt seems that the encoding for Turkisch in the language selection dialog is broken
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23:41:00TheSevenlinuxstb: success!
23:41:11TheSeveni just replaced norboot on mine, and it works flawlessly!
23:42:06amiconnIt reads T<black-square-questionmark>rk<black-square-questionmark>e (tr), whereas the other languages are either displayed properly, or with a few no-such-character rectangles
23:43:00*domonoky sees T<rectangle>rk<rectangle> (tr) with svn
23:43:29*amiconn slaps forehead
23:43:41amiconnThat working copy is some 2000 revisions behind...
23:45:27amiconnHmm, more languages but Turkish still broken
23:45:33*amiconn tried a full rebuild
23:45:36amiconn*tries
23:46:03amiconnDidn't help...
23:46:12domonokyhm, which os ?
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23:46:36amiconnDebian-amd64
23:46:39amiconnQt 4.5.3
23:46:54*domonoky has Qt 4.5.0 on windows :-)
23:49:51piotrekmTheSeven: you mean you booted rockbox without the apple logo being displayed?
23:49:56amiconnThis looks like Turkish isn't properly utf-8 encoded
23:50:08TheSevenpiotrekm: not yet
23:50:11*amiconn wonders where the language names are coming from
23:50:44TheSeventhat will be the next step
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23:51:06TheSevenbut i have a way to do that with a relatively low bricking risk now
23:51:36TheSeven(a tiny loader that will go to a recovery mode when you flick the hold switch quick enough after a reset)
23:54:14bluebroth3rsomething with the turkish translation is definitely broken.
23:54:23*bluebroth3r wonders if he hit a Qt bug
23:55:03bluebroth3rlooks like QString::toLocal8Bit() does the same as QString::toUtf8() on Mac. At least when building with gcc-4.2 for OS X 10.5 upwards
23:55:10*bluebroth3r goes trying with gcc-4.0
23:56:25domonokyamiconn: the language name comes from the .ts file.
23:56:29piotrekmBut is the norboot part responsible for any tasks that would have to be covered by rockbox after the replacement?
23:57:42amiconndomonoky, bluebroth3r: The encoding of that file is wrong then. Check e.g. line 329

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