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#rockbox log for 2010-02-09

00:00:26flybackhmm nothing about power on so far
00:00:31flybackmabye my unit is just canucked
00:00:32flyback:/
00:01:02gevaertsamiconn: I updated the wiki
00:01:25Unhelpfulpamaury: seems worthwhile to me in the long run, but yeah, it'll be work, and i know nothing about designing such things :/
00:01:45flybackyou guys ever probe your devices for serial consoles
00:01:51flybackmight help debugging easier
00:02:15flybackif some of the soc's have a ttl level uart and the mp3 player exposed the pads on the pcb for factory testing
00:02:36flybackall you need is a ttl level converter to rs232 or ttl to usb console cable such as ftdi or pl2303
00:02:38Unhelpfulflyback: we have debug output over usb serial ;)
00:02:44***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
00:02:44flybacknice
00:03:10flybackseems really well done
00:03:13flybackcongrats
00:03:20flybackrockbox overall :)
00:03:34pamauryUnhelpful: it's true but it needs to be discussed before starting it :)
00:03:37flybackI am glad I bought this used unit and tracked down a new hd for it and took it apart, cleaned all the parts and reassembled it
00:03:41flybackit was worth the effort
00:04:01Unhelpfuli seem to recall talking to somebody last week or so about the possibility of running a debugger over a custom usb protocol, i think it was TheSeven?
00:04:46stripwaxUnhelpful - sounds like something he's looking at doing for the nano2g
00:05:13Unhelpfulstripwax: it would be doable for many other soft-usb targets too, though...
00:05:14stripwaxActually doesn't the archos port have a serial debug console (or am I on crack)
00:05:35Unhelpfuli'd love to be able to step and trace my e200 or beast in gdb :P
00:05:41stripwaxUnhelpful - yeah - although probably not regular builds, more dev/debug builds..
00:05:44domonokythe old archos ons have serial-gdb stub yes.
00:05:48stripwaxYeah.
00:06:01stripwaxI meant the gdb stub not console obviously!
00:06:28amiconngevaerts: thanks
00:06:52amiconnThe fused asm is a little bit more difficult than I thought.
00:06:54TheSevenUnhelpful: Yes, I have a trivial implementation of such a thing running on nano2g
00:07:38TheSeventhe stub could in theory already do fancy stuff like singlestepping/breakpoints, it's just that one would need to write a pc-side client that sends it the right commands :-)
00:08:48amiconnThe swar macros for arm <=v5 are somewhat nasty. Needing extra registers and such
00:09:20TheSevenactually i wrote that *before* porting rockbox, in order to be able to run testing code and debug things in a nice fashion
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00:10:32TheSevenand another nice thing it supports is the debug console, where the application running inside can just send debug messages via SWIs, that will end up on a console on your PC, and that's fast!
00:10:52TheSeveni would guess that the console manages to do a throughput of about 100KB/s
00:11:03TheSevenyou won't get that using a serial port :-P
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00:14:48saratogastripwax: did you see the problem with coldfire?
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00:15:31stripwaxnope
00:17:37saratogastripwax: you don't have the inlined complex mul defined on CF
00:17:40saratogajust the original one
00:18:05saratogai wasn't sure why theres two versions of it
00:18:44stripwaxerm, not sure what you mean (inlined complex mul vs 'the original one'). you mean XPROD31_R ?
00:18:50saratogayes
00:19:05saratogaits not defined for coldfire
00:19:35saratogai used the c version when benchmarking and got that the new mdct is 1.5mhz slower, so with the asm version its probably pretty comparable
00:22:12saratogai suppose we should try and get some benchmarks for other targets as well to see if the new lib is faster for non-PP too
00:22:25stripwaxfair enough. it's exactly the same as XPROD31 it just stores the result in a local variable rather than in a memory location
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00:22:54stripwaxsaratoga - btw when were you benchmarking (did you see the new changes I just put in?)
00:22:56saratogai tried changing it to work on CF, however I wasn't able to get gcc to take it
00:23:05saratogastripwax: yesterday
00:23:09stripwaxok
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00:23:31saratogai got someone on IRC to do it since i don't have CF
00:24:02stripwaxi.e. XPROD31_R a bit like XPROD32 really. (Probably XPROD31 and XNPROD31 should also be rewritten as macros like XPROD32 is, and then there'd only be one version rather than my crazy/weird _R stuff)
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00:24:51saratogadoes the new transform still need more IRAM then the old?
00:25:28stripwaxWell, it depends what you mean by 'need'. It doesn't currently *use* more IRAM than the old.
00:25:52stripwaxi.e. the remaining two tables (revtab in fft and then final fsin/fcos in mdct) are not in iram
00:26:37saratogaah ok
00:26:44saratogaimpressive that we get such good performance then
00:26:45*TheSeven just spotted a bug!
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00:26:56TheSeven(in apple's norboot!)
00:27:04gevaertsTheSeven: report it!
00:27:04stripwaxThe mdct final (post)twiddle is the thing that could be unified with the FFT trig if you make a few approximations (take a look at the last step of the tremor mdct in mdct2.c i.e. interpolating between trig values, for large block sizes, rather than having trig that covers everything)
00:27:09stripwaxhahahaha
00:27:17stripwaxis it exploitable? :-p
00:27:26TheSevennope
00:27:44TheSeventheir LCD code might fail if some certain kind of garbage was on the stack before
00:27:53saratogastripwax: which block sizes would need interpolation?
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00:27:56TheSeventhey're using an uninitialized local variable
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00:28:44stripwaxsaratoga - I make it that having the posttwiddle factors not in iram costs somewhere between 0.5 and 1MHz (but that was kinda rough+ready measurements)
00:28:57stripwaxsaratoga - 4096 and 8192
00:29:02stripwaxhence not really a problem
00:29:21stripwaxI.e. Tremor is (unsurprisingly) well optimised for 2048 and smaller blocksizes
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00:30:07stripwaxBut a bit weird that Tremor would use interpolated trig, rather than more accurate trig, for the largest blocksizes. but hey.
00:30:23saratogaAFAIK no codec except tremor uses 4096 blocks
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00:30:41saratogaand while the encoder can do as it likes, I would be very suprised if they are used frequently at 44.1kHz
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00:31:03saratogamost codecs reserve them for higher sampling rates, as the temporal resolution is unacceptably low at 44.1khz with a 4096 block
00:31:51stripwaxyeah, probably vorbis too. anyway, like I said, if we did that it would be no worse than Tremor...
00:31:59saratogaFWIW, when we accidentally merged the rotation and fft tables (by pretending they were the same!) the result was accurate to almost 12 bits
00:32:12saratogai'm sure linear interpolation here gives >> 16 bits resolution
00:32:57stripwaxAnother (suspected - not measured) cause of slowness is that the revtab is not in iram, and I would really love to resolve that by changing the butterflies so that the input permutation is *regular* bitrev and not a crazy splitradix base2/base4 digit rev mess
00:33:04stripwaxsaratoga - I'm sure you're right
00:33:10stripwaxIt is after all just that very last step.
00:33:15saratogais the bitrev table that large?
00:33:41stripwaxit's sized for 4096 FFT, but sneakily stored in uint16_t so only 2K
00:33:58stripwaxPutting in iram might help
00:34:04saratogauint16_t revtab[1<<12];
00:34:07stripwaxI'd rather get rid of it totally though, to be honest
00:34:19saratogaso 8KB
00:34:48stripwaxErrr, yeah, that's what I meant. Honest.
00:35:09stripwax8KB would be a big old waste of iram
00:35:14saratogaagreed
00:35:58stripwaxIf the radix-4 part of the fft could be rewritten/transposed to use regular bitrev, then that would also enable (in future) doing a real half imdct in-place (something I'm 99% certain cannot be done right now with that horrible split radix indexing scheme)
00:36:39stripwaxwith regular bitrev, you can just swap element X and Bitrev[X].
00:36:45stripwaxkinda
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00:37:21saratogamost codecs do 98% 512 point FFTs, so you could probably get away with just a 1KB bitrev table in IRAM and the other sizes in DRAM
00:37:29wookey_hi all, just upgraded to v3.5 on a snasa e200 and all is lovely
00:37:59saratogaWMA is the exception, and even then its still ike 50% 512 point, so you'd get most of the speed up there
00:38:06stripwaxsaratoga - I'd rather have no table at all, than a 1KB table in IRAM and an 8KB table in DRAM :)
00:38:10saratoga(assuming its too hard to fixe the problem)
00:38:18gevaertswookey_: great! Does that mean the database duplication issue is gone?
00:38:20wookey_I previously installed in march 2008. Has the e200 bootloader changed since then in significant ways?
00:38:37wookey_gevaerts: don't know - haven't done the wife's machine yet - which weas the poorly one
00:38:41gevaertsah, ok
00:38:45saratogayes, it no longer uses the OF for USB
00:38:51stripwaxGetting rid of the mdct twiddles and merging with the regular fft trig also means all that fsincos initialisation disappears (which is not exactly lightweight)
00:38:56wookey_But that seems to be working alkready
00:38:57saratogaupgrade if that matters to you (it will still work fine if you don't)
00:39:14gevaertsThe only major change in the bootloader since then is that the current bootloader now always boots rockbox
00:39:29wookey_OK. I'll update
00:39:30gevaertsThe old one booted the OF if you booted by pluging in
00:40:16wookey_OK. right. I see. yes it still does that.
00:40:24saratogastripwax: have you ever looked at the code gcc generates for the prerotation?
00:41:05wookey_gevaerts: I may not have looked in the right place but I couldn;t eaily find a list of what had changed since when in the bootloader
00:41:20wookey_so eventually I just came and asked :-)
00:41:32gevaertshm, yes. We don't really have a decent changelog for the bootloaders
00:41:50wookey_BTW when I run btutil it complains about network config. what am I doing wrong?
00:42:37stripwaxsaratoga - yeah. not the worst thing I've ever seen (only one local variable on stack). But that's probably one more than ideal.
00:42:48wookey_'Network error:request aborted. Please check you r network and proxy settings'
00:42:50saratogastripwax: i don't suppose you have it handy to pastebin?
00:43:04gevaertsIIRC I've seen that a while ago if you used a 32 bit build on a 64 bit setup
00:43:19wookey_hmm. I carefully downloaded 640bit build
00:43:24wookey_64
00:43:45*gevaerts looks at bluebrother
00:43:54wookey_And version says 1.2.2, whereas other archs are 1.2.4
00:44:53wookey_file says: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64
00:44:53gevaertsok, it happens here as well
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00:47:46gevaertsthe old version is because nobody has built the latest version yet, which is because we want a static build, which is a pain with qt
00:48:18wookey_why the static build? I'ch much prefer to be able to apt-get install rbutil
00:48:24wookey_with normal dynamci libs
00:48:38wookey_then it could download and install 'current'. Is that difficult?
00:49:42wookey_and shouldn't the x86 and amd64 build processes be identical?
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00:50:15gevaertsthey are, but apparently the people who usually have their build setup ready run 32 bit
00:50:28TheSevendamn, found the first rev. 7 / rev. 9 difference
00:50:32TheSevenit's an LCD init value
00:50:44gevaertsa normal dynamic build is easy. I'm not sure how compatible those are between distributions these days though
00:51:18wookey_gevaerts: probably not very. I can see that attraction of a static build for the website-download 'just works' situation
00:51:24gevaertsAnd having the distributions package it isn't really ideal yet, there are still changes pretty regularly that need a fast turnaround
00:51:42wookey_even in the installer?
00:51:46gevaertsMaybe we should just try dynamic builds and see what happens
00:52:39gevaertsyes. 3.5 need rbutil 1.2.4 due to some changes in how build information is retrieved from the server.
00:53:20wookey_OK. Well I guess I'll use old-fashion sansapatcher then, or try a local build from svn
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00:53:51gevaertsWe've basically had that sort of thing for all recent releases, although I think the issues get smaller every time, so we might get there in the end :)
00:54:10wookey_A distro-packaged version may not always work, but it will probably work for a fair while before you break it again?
00:55:00wookey_I suppose the 'stable' version could be almost permanently 'too old'
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00:55:04gevaertsWe tend to break it just before releases (because that's when we notice the issues)
00:55:08*stripwax wonders what all happened there
00:55:12stripwaxsaratoga - mdct.asm http://pastebin.com/m16b83b82
00:56:05wookey_the debian-way fix for this is to upload a .deb to your own repo and point debian/ubuntu people at that
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00:56:35gevaertsyes, either that or possibly volatile I guess
00:57:30wookey_letting the nice OBS people built it for $most distros would save you the trouble of maintainng this for loads of distros
00:59:24gevaertshm, I wasn't really aware of them. That might be a good solution
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01:00:42saratogastripwax: thanks
01:01:31saratogano use of load/store multiple even though it loads 8 bytes at a stride
01:02:48saratogacould probably get another 1 MHz back by optimizing it
01:03:38stripwaxhrm, it doesn't really load 8 bytes at a stride. It loads a word from *in1, and then increments pointer by two words..
01:03:53stripwax(and reads a word from *in2, and then decrements pointer by two words)
01:04:09saratogaT[1], T[0], &z[j].re, &z[j].im
01:04:13saratogathose are both sequential
01:04:16stripwaxpossibly the best you could do for a quick optimise is using ldm to read the twiddles and write the outputs
01:04:22stripwaxYeah, what you said :)
01:04:30saratogafrom the ASM: 98: e5972004 ldr r2, [r7, #4] 9c: e5973000 ldr r3, [r7]
01:04:34saratogagcc is fucking stupid
01:04:40stripwaxgah.
01:04:42stripwaxthat is awful gcc
01:05:06stripwaxIs there a way to force gcc to use ldm instructions more often?
01:05:35saratoganot that I know of
01:05:48saratogai'm actually a little confused why it so frequently fails to use it
01:05:56stripwaxAgree, any/all of those sections could be hand optimised. take a look at the reflection stuff in ff_imdct_calc - it's also not exactly perfect. but again not the worst I've ever seen.
01:06:19saratogait may be that it doesn't realize that arm7tdmi is so much slower for single loads
01:06:30stripwaxlikely.
01:06:43UnhelpfulTheSeven: how hard would it be for gdb to do that?
01:07:42TheSevenhonestly i have no clue about gdb internals
01:08:24gevaertsbluebrother, domonoky: have a look at https://build.opensuse.org/. That should be helpful for rbutil
01:08:27TheSevenyou can basically read/write memory/registers and halt/resume program execution
01:08:39wookey_gaeverts: bootloader upload beautifully painless and now it all works rather more slickly - top job :-)
01:08:41TheSevenand there is a breakpoint instruction
01:08:48TheSeven(some SWI)
01:09:02saratogaon the upside it does at least look like it was smart enough to avoid incrementing in1,in2 twice per loop by using an offset when loading :)
01:09:06wookey_If only I could make thunar-volman actually mount the thing everything would be lovely
01:09:14TheSevenin theory that's all you need for a debugger
01:10:01saratogaso 28mhz wma right now, and we could probably save another 1-2MHz in the prerotation, and a few more in the main fft, so i bet we could do < 25MHz WMA on PP
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01:10:57wookey_I'll attack the wife's now :-) and see if I can get gpodder syning working right too
01:11:12gevaertsgood luck!
01:12:06TheSevengah, it's too late for ARM condition codes today...
01:12:28wookey_what is the 'committing database' message about on boot? Tess's sansa does that 9 times on startup
01:12:30TheSevenneed to do a trivial timeout loop, and just don't get it right
01:12:40wookey_(with old software)
01:13:05TheSevensomething like start=tick; while(tick<(start+timeout)); (wrap-safe)
01:13:39JdGordon_use TIME_BEFORE() or TIME_AFTER() which are wrap safe
01:13:51stripwaxsaratoga - which bitrate? (trunk is already 27.56MHz for 96kbps)
01:13:56TheSevenit isn't in rockbox, and it needs to be ASM
01:14:14TheSeven(it is in very early norloader init code)
01:15:04saratogaoh misremembered, your test was 28.52 for 192k
01:15:24stripwaxyep (versus 29.4 for trunk)
01:15:55TheSevenso i assume i basically do add <end>, <tick>, <timeout>; label: cmp <tick>, <end>; b<cc> label
01:15:59saratogai can squeeze even more out of the codec itself too
01:16:01TheSevenbut what the heck is <cc>?
01:16:01wookey_ah. don;t upgrade the bootloader before upgrading rockbox - they run round switching from rockbox to native firmwares offering the other to do USB-connecting :-)
01:16:08saratogai wonder how far i can take the codec on PP
01:16:23stripwaxThe big speedup in my vorbis was getting rid of the ugly memcpy (that I put in right at the start of my fastermdct playing since ffmpeg mdct didn't work in place and so vorbis was screwed without a temp buffer) - but that temp buffer is gone now
01:16:57stripwaxTheSeven - "mi" ? I think
01:17:30JdGordon_Windows7
01:17:33JdGordon_fuck
01:17:43stripwaxerm
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01:19:57wookey_oh dear - I'm getting piles of FAT: Directory bread(block 15271) failed
01:20:02gevaertswookey_: from what I can see (but I'm definitely no database expert), the database commits happen on boot if they went wrong earlier for some reason. I'd check if it still happens
01:20:17gevaertshm, time for fsck then...
01:20:32stripwaxTheSeven - (could always check the asm for TIME_BEFORE to check..)
01:20:43wookey_yes, good job there isn't anything valuable and un-backed-up on here
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01:20:50TheSevenstripwax: probably rather PL, or the args of the cmp reversed
01:21:03stripwaxTheSeven - ah, probably
01:21:26TheSevenor not - looks like my mind is screwed today...
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01:36:54UnhelpfulTheSeven: cc is carry clear... equivalent to lo, cs equivalent to hs
01:37:57Torneflyback: Actually viewing all the data in detail can go in a plugin, yes
01:38:12TheSevenUnhelpful: i meant <cc> as a placeholder for "condition code" ;-)
01:38:22Torneflyback: but checking the overall health status and the pre-fail/old-age attributes would be good on startup
01:38:37Torneflyback: it can just display a splash telling you there may be a problem, and you can run the plugin if you want lots of details
01:38:39TheSevenand no, cs isn't equivalent to lo/cs :-P
01:38:52TheSevendamn, cc of course
01:39:13Torneflyback: the actual data is not hard to parse so that wouldn't be much code. only a human-friendly UI for looking at settings would be big :)
01:39:18Torneer, attributes, not settings
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01:44:21Unhelpfuloh... ok. :)
01:45:00UnhelpfulTorne: cc == lo, cs == hs, yes?
01:45:36Unhelpfuli don't really use lo/hs... i just remember how arm does subtraction and that makes it clear enough when carry is set :)
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01:49:37flybackyeah I know if you can do it, awesome
01:49:48flybackthen I can focus on things I want like network doom play
01:49:54flybackand more mod formats playback
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01:50:17flybackoh nice
01:50:20flybackyou got linux on your palm?
01:50:30flybackI just got a broken T5 off ebay to combine with mine into a working unit
01:50:34Strife89|PalmTXflyback: Not yet.
01:50:50Strife89|PalmTXflyback: VERSION me for details.
01:50:55*flyback also has 11 m130's he got off ebat he has to test so he can order cables and batteries
01:50:58JdGordon1flyback: seriously? we have to ask you again to stay on topic in here?
01:51:08flybacksure
01:51:09JdGordon1that *is* your last warning
01:51:27flybackthat's ok i'lll probably just forget in 5 mins anyways
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01:58:00flybackI can't even remeber to hold onto my fucking mp3 player
01:58:08flybacknot even 24 hrs with rockbox on it and I dropped it
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02:03:31saratogawhat just happened
02:04:34flybacki'd love to comment but it's offf topic
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02:05:46saratogalet me see if I can do this
02:06:14Mode"#rockbox +o saratoga" by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
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02:13:49flybackwelcome to irc.titanic.org
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02:17:59webguest35still no malloc/free in rockbox?
02:18:11saratogaonly in plugins/codecs
02:18:53webguest35really? There's malloc in plugins??
02:19:03saratogasure
02:19:27saratogayou can use the pluginlib one, or provide your own
02:19:39saratogai think most plugins use their own
02:19:59webguest35hmm
02:20:26webguest35thanks.
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04:31:48TheSevenfor anyone keen on testing norboot: I have made a new version, that will now hopefully support all board and lcd types
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04:39:40TheSevenbtw, it's using dma-based lcd updating, and it's working just fine
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07:33:11JdGordonare the -Fixed fonts broken?
07:34:27JdGordonand the sazanami ones
07:41:32JdGordonnope, I broke font.c
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09:20:50JdGordonmultifont with this approach seems to be dead simple, so if someone is planning on objecting can you please speak up soonish?
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09:39:06B4gderZagor: ohloh says Rockbox is "only" 920078 lines
09:39:15B4gderah right, they exclude empty ones
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09:40:03JdGordonohloh stopped updating us
09:40:19B4gder"Updated 13 Jan 2010"
09:40:54B4gderhm yes it says "Failed 25 days ago"
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10:14:46_zichello
10:15:21_zicwhile completing russian translation for rockbox utility yesterday, i noticed the <numerusform> frame
10:15:50_zichttp://pastebin.com/m4f1ab56f
10:16:41_zicdoes anybody know what it is intended to do/be/mean/whatever ?
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10:42:51linuxstbgevaerts: I don't think http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=23848.0 is a corrupted installation - the checksum differs by 5, which is also the difference between the 4g greyscale and Color/Photo model number...
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10:46:02funman_zic: i think it's for languages which have different plural forms
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10:47:57funmanI can't find doc for the <numerus> tag in Qt4 doc, do you use a text editor or qt linguist ?
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10:48:41_zicfunman, yes i also think so, and russian is one of these languages, but there's no explicit indication in which one to put one particular form
10:48:46_zicno, i use gedit
10:49:07funmanhttp://doc.trolltech.com/4.6/i18n-plural-rules.html < I would think the 3 <numerus> are the 3 rules
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10:53:57gevaertslinuxstb: does that model get into the crc?
10:55:11_zicfunman, kind of confusing... but thanks :) i think i'm going to install qt linguist on my windows machine
10:57:00_zicqt linguist doesn't seem to run on linux :(
10:58:57gevaertsit does
10:59:03linuxstbgevaerts: Yes, the bootloader checksum is initialised with the model number
10:59:25gevaertsah, ok
10:59:47linuxstbSo a small difference normally means the wrong version installed.
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11:00:06gevaertsgood to know
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11:06:06funman_zic: on ubuntu it is called "linguist" or "linguist-qt4" in qt4-dev-tools package
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11:54:42AlexPJdGordon: Flyback has already had numerous last warnings - just ban him next time
11:54:51AlexPOr mute at least
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13:01:56topikgevaerts: i'm reading your and betriks meizu experiments on the forum from december. did you do anything special to compile meizu_dfu and/or the bootloader?
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13:14:05gevaertstopik: no
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13:21:41topikneither compiles atm
13:21:43topikfrom svn
13:24:12topikfrom what i read, you made some nice progress and i was hoping to contribute by testing/debugging on my m6sl
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13:43:21TheSeventopik: pastebinning a copy of the compile errors might be helpful
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13:47:24topikTheSeven: http://www.pastebin.ca/1791269
13:47:51TheSevenouch, that was me who broke it :-)
13:48:19TheSeventhere should be a stub for that file for the meizus though
13:48:38topikyeah, i figured it was because of the nano2g ftl
13:48:58TheSeventhe path where it's looking for is weird though
13:49:02TheSeventhis looks like a makefile bug
13:49:28TheSevenwrong include path for dependency generation?
13:49:52TheSevenhow does your make.dep look likeß
13:50:44topiki think you're right
13:51:29topikmake.dep: http://www.pastebin.ca/1791271
13:52:14topikall i did was ../tools/configure, 110, B with current svn
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13:56:04TheSevenhm, it's scattering them along 3 places: /opt/rockbox/<proper path>, /opt/rockbox/build-meizu/<proper path>, /opt/rockbox/build-meizu/<plain filename>
13:56:13TheSevenobviously the first one is right
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13:59:22bug2000Rockbox is amazing. I would never guess my music player is capable of all this. Thank you people for doing such an amazing work!
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14:00:37nuCCkAny thing new about ipod classic 160gb and rockbox?
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14:01:46TheSevennuCCk: the old one or the new one?
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14:08:08nuCCkthink it the new it is about 2 years olde
14:09:08nuCCkcan i check it some place
14:10:36TheSeventhen it's the old one
14:10:48TheSeventhe new one was released just some months ago
14:11:15TheSevenwell, we can execute code on that one, but not much has been done with it yet
14:11:53nuCCkok whit the olde?
14:12:18nuCCkis there any work planed
14:14:36TheSeveni was referring to the old one
14:14:49TheSevenand nobody seems to be working on it currently
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14:15:29topikTheSeven: if i edit make.dep manually, will it work?
14:15:36TheSevenhopefully
14:15:45TheSevenbut you should find out what's going wrong in the first place
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14:19:12topikfor my fuze and nano2g things get generated fine
14:21:08topikthe meizu ms6sl stub files are just not there
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14:35:57*_zic just uploaded the russian translation update for rbutil. please can someone go accept it ?
14:36:26windCould I use screendump in the system-debug to print screen?
14:37:46evilnick_Bwind: Yes
14:38:01windHow to?
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14:38:54evilnick_Bwind: Check the manual for your player, but usually it disables USB connectivity so each time you plug it into your computer then it'll take a screendump instead of connecting
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14:43:51windevilnick_BL:Could the Rockbox add a new function to achieve it?
14:44:40windInstead of plug the player into computer.
14:45:17gevaertswhy?
14:45:20evilnick_BI'm sure that it'd be possible to do so, but I don't see why it shouldn't be done the current way
14:46:15evilnick_BYou'd enable screendump, then plug into the computer each time you want it to "print screen", to then access each of these files, you would then disable screendump and re-connect then copy the files over (they are stored in the root of the drive)
14:46:43windBecause sometimes I want to save my screen.
14:49:26evilnick_BIn that case, I believe that you could (NB - I haven't looked into the code) but you'd need to compile your own build to do this.
14:49:42evilnick_BIt'd be a lot simpler to just use screendump when you're near a computer
14:49:50gevaertsyou'd need to find an available button combination
14:51:29TheSevenanybody with a nano2g with lcd type 2 or 3 around? (lcd detect: 0:0, 1:1 / 0:0, 1:0 / 0:1, 1:1)
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14:52:08*TheSeven needs to test the new driver
14:52:25windI dont want to use computer to achieve this function.
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14:52:44linuxstbwind: Well, that's the only way Rockbox can do screendumps, unless someone writes a new feature...
14:53:55windCould we make a button just like PrtScr in windows?
14:53:58topikwhere do you see those lcd detect values, TheSeven ?
14:54:10TheSevendiagmode
14:54:19TheSevenother => status
14:54:29TheSevenpress select to show the lower page
14:54:39gevaertswind: sure. Find a button that's unused and use that
14:55:30topik0:1, 1:0
14:55:37TheSeventhat's a type 7
14:55:42TheSeven(the one i also have)
14:55:49topikthen i'm unable to help :(
14:55:59windHow to do it without computer thats what I am concerned.
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14:57:19linuxstbwind: You can't. Unless you're a C programmer, and can modify how Rockbox works.
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14:58:14topikit's a shame my nano2g is only 2GB. that's why i hoped for meizu m6sl progress. same cpu but mine is 8GB
14:58:23topiknano 2g really has good runtime
14:58:30windlinuxstb:But in fact,I can't.
14:59:12gevaertswind: technically you don't need a computer, since rockbox only looks at the power pins for this
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15:02:01windonly the power pins?
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15:07:09windI still have a problem: how to exit the screendump?
15:08:28Tornego and select the same option again, it's a toggle
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15:10:26windbut if I have open the screendump,then I put the USB line into the player,the player cannot do anything again.
15:10:48windI have to reset it
15:11:35TorneThat's not supposed to happen
15:13:13windTorne:But it has happened
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15:15:57TorneYes, obviously
15:16:04Tornebut my point is there is no "way to exit the screendump"
15:16:16Tornebecause it's not supposed to make the player hang
15:16:25Torneit should just take the screendump, show a splash, then you can carry on using it
15:16:30evilnick_BTorne: After you disconnect USB, then you should be able to disable the screendump option again and it'll work as it did before when you connect USB
15:16:43evilnick_BEr... s/Torne/wind/
15:16:56Torneevilnick_B: yes, but his point is once he plugs in the usb cable for the dump his player stops working entirely
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16:09:11TheSevendamn, the new LCD driver breaks alpha blending :-/
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16:31:54TheSevenreally nobody with another nano2g here?
16:32:03*TheSeven needs testers
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18:11:37akuri would like have some wiki priveleges, please?
18:11:51linuxstbWhat's your wiki name?
18:11:58akurRuiAraujo
18:13:14linuxstbakur: That's done.
18:13:26akurthanks
18:19:02kugel we should've patented folder skip :) cowon implented it in the new E2 firmware (and it works exactly how it does in rb)
18:20:55dionoeawhat does folder skip do ?
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18:23:54*linuxstb guesses it skips folders
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18:24:47kugeldionoea: you can skip to the next/previous folder directly from the wps with a key combo
18:25:07dionoeaoh, neat.
18:25:18linuxstbDidn't that idea come from the iriver firmware originally?
18:25:27linuxstb(h1x0 or h3x0)
18:25:37dionoealinuxstb: it could have been several things :) (like skip this subfolder when inserting in playlist for example)
18:26:20kugellinuxstb: that's possible, I don't know
18:28:51dionoeais that documented somewhere? (I can't find anything in the e200, ipod video or archos recorder docs, searching for "folder")
18:29:13JdGordone200 its power+next/prev
18:29:27JdGordonipod is select+next/prev i think
18:29:53dionoeabah, I should have looked for "directory" :)
18:29:54dionoeathanks
18:30:43kugelshort next, release, then long next (or prev) works on all targets I think
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18:33:41piotrekmTheSeven: i have just read the log, still want to test it?
18:34:17TheSevenyep
18:34:22TheSevenit should finally work on yours
18:34:30piotrekmgreat
18:34:47piotrekmand what's that fuss about double-buffering, any visible difference?
18:35:04TheSevenwe haven't tried that with rockbox yet
18:35:22TheSevenbut norloader, iloader and ibugger have lightning-fast lcd updates now, even with caches disabled!
18:35:38TheSevenno more visible tearing during the updates etc.
18:36:18piotrekmsounds cool. And no possible interference with nand reading/writing or anything like that?
18:36:31piotrekmi just guess it also uses dma
18:36:46TheSevenwe have a total of 9 (woah!) dma channels on that device
18:37:23piotrekmthis little ipod keeps amazing me. About a month ago i considered it the most limited device i possess
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18:41:28kugelwell, with the apple os it surely is on of the most limited ones :)
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18:47:18TheSevenkugel: not neccessarily. they have quite a lot of features nowadays
18:47:32TheSevenbut it definitely is the most limited os compared to the hardware it's running on :-)
18:49:37darkhami would like to know some rockbox next step...
18:49:38darkham:)
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18:50:09*TheSeven doesn't get that darkham means
18:51:46darkhamTheSeven, i mean i would like to know what developers are almost ready to release, in rockbox features
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18:52:55piotrekmisn't that what is in svn?
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18:53:41Tornedarkham: anything that is in a suitable state to be checked in, is checked in
18:53:49Torneanything else, is not kept track of particularly.
18:54:32TorneWell, ok, some things are sitting as patches in FS
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18:55:23piotrekmlike the sorting tags support *_*
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18:56:28Atlanxgood day
18:56:51kugelpiotrekm: there's a patch about it, but it costs a lot of ram
18:57:35piotrekmkugel: i saw it, but didn't try. much meaning 1MB or more?
18:57:43piotrekm*lot
18:57:43AtlanxI get a new error from Rockbox Uitlity for updating to RB 3.5.
18:57:53kugeldepends on how many music you have
18:58:28kugelthe database can get quite big, and that patch doubles that
18:58:36AtlanxProblem found: - Abweichendes Gerät erkannt. Installiertes Gerät: e200, gewähltes Gerät: Sansa e200v1 series -
18:58:46piotrekmon a 2GB ipod it's not a problem i suppose
18:59:52AlexPStorage size is nothing to do with it
18:59:54AlexPRAM usage is
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19:00:34AlexPAtlanx: Any chance of a rough English translation?
19:00:44piotrekmi mean, with 2GB i can't get a large amount of music, so my library wont swell much
19:00:46AlexPAtlanx: Is it complaining that the target name changed?
19:00:54AlexPpiotrekm: Ah right
19:00:56AlexPSorry :)
19:01:03piotrekmno problem;)
19:01:24Atlanxyes: Problem : Diffrent Device found. Installed Device: e200, choosen Device: Sansa e200v1 series
19:01:35AlexPAtlanx: You can ignore that
19:01:56AlexPAtlanx: There was an internal name change, you should only get that message once
19:02:29Atlanxyes , but it is an irritating error message. should i report it? - ok will ignore it
19:02:42AlexPNo, it will only happen once and is intentional
19:02:51Atlanxok thank you
19:02:55AlexPno worries
19:03:36freddybTorne: you still playing with Frotz?
19:03:52Tornei'm not developing it at the moment
19:04:03Tornebut I will, yes
19:06:28freddybI resyned my virtual keyboard patches and added a new accerated variation to the scroll_1d patch. You might try it you didn't like Keep_rollin or regular Scroll_1d.
19:06:37freddybFS #10763
19:06:42Tornei didn't actually get around to trying either of those
19:06:49Torne:)
19:06:59Tornemessing with DMA and USB charging atm
19:07:04kugelinteresting, wikipedia already claims we have a 4 month release cycle now
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19:09:21gevaertsdomonoky, bluebrother: did you see my note last night?
19:10:27domonokygevaerts: no, which note ?
19:10:50gevaertshttp://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20100209#01:08:24
19:14:43TheSevenbtw, the 4-month release cycle has been in there since r309625126, 17:03, 23 August 2009
19:15:08*domonoky doesnt really sees the benefit of building a rpm via some buildservice, if we can just build one static binarys.
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19:15:15piotrekmTheSeven: So shall i expect the norloader soon, or just wait?
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19:15:58TheSevenpiotrekm: i updated the files on my server
19:16:02TheSevensame procedure as yesterday
19:16:27gevaertsdomonoky: sure, but currently we don't have an up to date 64 bit binary, and the one that's there doesn't actually work. As long as static binaries are a pain to build, we should keep an eye open for alternatives
19:18:50domonokytrue, but there are probably better solutions. (like using distributed buildsystem, and getting clients for all 4 rbutil variants.)
19:19:07piotrekmTheSeven: ok, i'll try
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19:29:18piotrekmTheSeven: i have to say it even got a bit worse... the screen is white after running "nano2brdfu-regular.py norloader.dfu" and i can't reset the ipod;>
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19:30:27Stephen__JdGordon_, see my message earlier ?
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19:31:52CrackerizerHello,
19:31:57bluebrothergevaerts: building rbutil with static Qt isn't complicated at all, you "just" need to build a static binary of Qt. Which takes quite some time. Btw, I've already thought about creating an rpm for fedora.
19:32:11CrackerizerI need some help today.
19:33:02bluebrotherhaving distribution packages shouldn't be a problem, if we can trigger updated. Which I assume would be the problem. Plus the volunteers creating those packages (I have some knowledge about rpm, but around zero for deb)
19:33:06CrackerizerI'm trying to copy my songs back from ipod. But it seems hell slow.
19:33:58CrackerizerAnybody here have the same problem please give me suggestion.
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19:37:38evilnick_BCrackerizer: Are you using Rockbox's USB stack or the OF's?
19:38:32gevaertsbluebrother: I didn't say it's complicated! I maintain that it's a pain though :)
19:38:34piotrekmTheSeven: now i managed to reset it finally, and with hold on repeated the "nano2brdfu...", and the only difference from yesterday is that today the lcd turned white back again, no further response
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19:39:11linuxstbCrackerizer: Which version of Rockbox are you using? 3.5?
19:40:05TheSevenpiotrekm: damn, so type-2 lcd init still doesn't work
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19:40:13pabouk_Could you please raise severity and/or priority of http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10983 ? The latest iriver H120 builds are unbootable.
19:40:14TheSeven(but doesn't hang any more at least)
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19:40:59TheSevenwhen you reboot it with the hold switch on (and the backlight turning on), can you see the ipod in lsusb? (as "Unified iBugger" or ffff:4248 or such)
19:41:35piotrekmi reverted to iloader, i will tell you in a moment
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19:41:44JdGordon_kugel: ping?
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19:42:04JdGordon_pixelma: any chance you can test the radio patch on the ondiofm today/tomorow?
19:42:38JdGordon_kugel: would you like to fix the skin buffer allocation so it uses only as much as needed?
19:42:40darkhamexcuse me, with rockbox 3.5 is changed something about it and sansa fuze?
19:42:51piotrekmTheSeven: i can't actually reboot it to get the white screen back again, only after rebooting i can load the norloader.dfu again
19:43:01darkhamit's ever a dual boot?
19:43:16kugelI would like to have a look yes, but I'm still during exams so it has to wait a bit
19:43:33JdGordon_ah sure
19:43:36JdGordon_exams suck :)
19:44:05gevaertsdarkham: with 3.5 the fuze was promoted to "stable"
19:44:45piotrekmTheSeven: but when i load the norboot-orig.dfu back again, i get a strange two-color apple logo before the iloader shows, does that have anything to do with the new norboot?
19:45:12darkhamgreat, must i ever upgrade it reaplacing the /.rockbox in the player?
19:45:34TheSevenpiotrekm: that happens because norboot can't find its logo, because you overwrote it (with iloader and such)
19:45:40JdGordon_AlexP: 10853 TEST IT! :)
19:45:40piotrekmoh
19:45:54AlexPJdGordon_: Calm down tiger :)
19:46:00AlexPJdGordon_: And OK :)
19:46:11bug2000AlexP: I fell in love with Rockbox.
19:46:22AlexPbug2000: Good :)
19:46:29JdGordon_I cant really finish multifont untill fm is in (I dont like having many patches going in parallel)
19:46:42bug2000Only tiny issue left to fix is a font issue [no Hebrew >.<] with the theme I use. Didn't check if it does show it in the default theme yet.
19:47:24bug2000And it doesn't >.<
19:48:50evilnick_Bbug2000: Have you seen: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/UnicodeGuide
19:48:52JdGordon_then use a font with the same size that does have hebrew
19:48:53AlexPYou just need to pick or make a theme that does
19:49:00AlexPs/theme/font/
19:49:02gevaertspabouk: did you test any revision other than the ones explicitely listed?
19:49:39linuxstbpabouk: Also, have you tried the usual things, such as completely removing the old .rockbox folder, and checking your disk for errors?
19:50:21bug2000evilnick_B: Accutally I was about to look for it. I'm just noting to self stuff :)
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19:50:53AlexPJdGordon_: I was thinking about album art for radio stations - I reckon it'd be best to have art named by preset name in a specific folder
19:51:29JdGordon_yeah, thats probably how I'd do it too
19:51:36JdGordon_frequency doesnt really make sense
19:51:48AlexPno
19:52:06AlexPAnd by preset name would help for stations that change fequency in different places
19:52:10*gevaerts wonders if pabouk_ saw the questions
19:52:16AlexPThe art would work for different preset files
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19:52:49TheSeven[19:48]<gevaerts>pabouk: did you test any revision other than the ones explicitely listed?
19:52:51TheSeven[19:48]<linuxstb>pabouk: Also, have you tried the usual things, such as completely removing the old .rockbox folder, and checking your disk for errors?
19:53:01linuxstbWhat about people that travel around? many countries have a "radio 1"
19:53:23AlexPI have e.g. BBC Radio 1
19:53:27AlexPSo hadn't thought about that
19:53:35gevaertslinuxstb: in that case, use a more elaborate naming scheme
19:54:23gevaertsor add RDS station ids to the presets file, and exclusively use those. People will probably complain though
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19:55:04AlexPgevaerts: I'll stop complaining as soon as someone does beast RDS :)
19:55:17paboukgevaerts: Unfortunately I do not have a build environment so I was able to try what was available on the web. I upgrade almost every day so it was quick to find the latest working daily build.
19:55:30gevaertspabouk: ok, just making sure
19:56:08gevaertsit's just a 10-revision gap, so it's not too bad :)
19:56:59pabouklinuxstb: I am sorry I forgot about this. Checking at the moment. I will report back.
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20:00:42JdGordon_Stephen__: ui viewport setting is ignored if a .sbs is loaded
20:01:04Stephen__yeah but if no sbs is loaded uiviewport seems to be ignored also
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20:01:27JdGordon_that's a bug then
20:01:32JdGordon_file it
20:01:49gevaertsjhulst: ping
20:01:54Stephen__will do thanks. wasn't sure if you knew about it or not
20:01:55JdGordon_rockbox_none.sbs probaly needs to be deleted
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20:02:42gevaertsjhulst: jhulstlab-jhulst seems to put wrong dates in its build results, like r24571-000208 (instead of r24571-100208)
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20:05:04darkhamuser can set the registration destination?
20:05:24jhulstgevaerts: hmm, I'll take a look
20:05:38gevaertsjhulst: that's generated by "date -u +%y%m%d" normally
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20:05:51JdGordon_Stephen__: if its getting ignored it means you still have statusbar set to custom
20:06:06jhulstgevaerts: ah my lab machine, was having problems with NTP. Should be resolved now
20:06:08JdGordon_if you set it to off it will work
20:06:14JdGordon_(or top or bottom)
20:06:20Stephen__ahhhhh!
20:06:24gevaertsOK
20:06:30gevaertsthanks for checking
20:06:44jhulstno problem
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20:08:32pabouk_linuxstb: I removed .rockbox and .scrobbler-timeless.log and the result is the same as in the tracker: I04:IllInstr at 31057FE8 _immediately_ after bootloader finishes its job.
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20:08:56Stephen__JdGordon_, nope still same problem
20:09:28JdGordon_what does it show? garbage backdrop?
20:09:41Stephen__yeah i can take a screenshot on sim ?
20:10:09JdGordon_no, I've seen it
20:10:42JdGordon_file the bug, say exactly what you are doing (what theme you started ith, how yu changed, etc)
20:11:00Stephen__it's any theme that has uiviewport set and no .sbs.
20:11:10Stephen__have to remember my password and it's regged to my work email.
20:11:15Stephen__can i sign up a new one ?
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20:11:24gevaertspabouk: have you tried checking the filesystem? I don't see any suspicious commit in that range
20:11:45linuxstbpabouk: OK... And the latest current build gives the same problem?
20:12:25gevaertslinuxstb: r24571 is the latest, so yes
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20:15:45pabouk_linuxstb: Yes, it was tested with the latest one which is still the same as reported in the tracker: r24571-000208.
20:15:46linuxstbpabouk_: Have you been trying the daily builds, or current builds (or both) ?
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20:18:14*gevaerts still suspects filesystem corruption, unless someone else with a h1x0 sees the same
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20:18:50pabouk_linuxstb: The latest daily build is the last known working one (r24556-100207). Firstly I discovered the problem on r24568-100208 then I tested it on the current build r24571-000208. No other build appeared since reporting the problem.
20:20:10Stephen__JdGordon_, http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10989
20:20:27linuxstbpabouk_: The latest daily is also r24751. But something seems odd, at least with the date of that build (000208)
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20:21:13gevaertslinuxstb: that date isn't the issue. It was caused by a wrong clock on the build client, and r24568 was built on a different one
20:22:26linuxstbgevaerts: OK, I didn't say it was related, just that that build was odd...
20:22:29pabouklinuxstb: The latest build on http://build.rockbox.org/ is r24571-000208. I downloaded it a while ago. I hope it could not be cached somewhere...
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20:23:31JdGordon_Stephen__: you are sure the statusbar option is not set to custom?
20:23:36Stephen__sure
20:23:47Stephen__i changed to top bottom off and cstom all same effect
20:23:53Stephen__custom*
20:24:25JdGordon_can you attache or pastebin nyour config.cfg?
20:24:35Stephen__yep two tics
20:25:37Stephen__http://pastebin.com/m4eb077c4
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20:32:21bug2000Ok. After reading it a couple of times.
20:32:33bug2000Is there a quick way to know whenever a font supports Hebrew or not without going back and forth?
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20:32:52bug2000Also the Unifont [as much as it is nice] is too big. Size of 16...
20:32:58gevaertsbug2000: rasher.dk/rockbox/fontstats/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/fontstats/
20:33:26bug2000gevaerts: Thanks :)
20:33:51bug2000gevaerts: What are the grey's and blacks?
20:34:06gevaertsincomplete coverage
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20:35:40bug2000gevaerts: I could ask how can it be incomplete coverage if there are only 22+5 letters in the Hebrew Alphabet.
20:36:06gevaertsI don't know. Maybe archaic letters?
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20:36:20gevaertsHave a look at the verbose stats for details
20:36:56bug2000No such thing as archaic letters. All were used back then. All are used now.
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20:37:42gevaertshave a look at the linked unicode chart
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20:39:42bug2000gevaerts: Oh. I see what it is.
20:40:04bug2000gevaerts: Support for `Nikod`. On how to pronounce the letters.
20:40:35bug2000And `Teamim`.
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20:40:46bug2000So funny to look at the Hebrew PDF.
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20:41:05JdGordon_rockbox doesnt show the nikudim
20:41:14gevaertsIf you only need the letters, I guess any grey font will work
20:41:16JdGordon_nikudot even
20:41:43bug2000gevaerts: Seems like it does :) It's perfect.
20:41:52bug200008-Fixed looks fine :)
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20:43:20paboukgevaerts: I overlooked the question about filesystem, sorry. Yes I checked it.
20:43:31linuxstbpabouk: Can you try linuxstb.cream.org/rockbox/rockbox-r24564.zip">http://linuxstb.cream.org/rockbox/rockbox-r24564.zip ?
20:43:32bug2000JdGordon_: It is Nikudim, I guess. Though Nikud refers to both plural and singular.
20:44:03Unhelpful14-rockbox-mix is, presumably, glyphs from several source fonts?
20:46:11kugelUnhelpful: you stopped working on subpixel aa fonts, right?
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20:47:06Unhelpfulkugel: never really got started... there are some nasty troubles in the font cache if we want to support subpixel. i basically got hung up on things i couldn't decide about instead of implementing what i knew :)
20:47:24linuxstbpabouk_: Can you try linuxstb.cream.org/rockbox/rockbox-r24564.zip">http://linuxstb.cream.org/rockbox/rockbox-r24564.zip ?
20:47:34kugelthe other implementation isn't out yet is it?
20:47:35pabouk_linuxstb: Your rockbox-r24564.zip booted flawlessly. Thank you for your work!
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20:48:48Unhelpfulkugel: "out"? "other"?
20:49:04linuxstbpabouk_: OK, can you now try linuxstb.cream.org/rockbox/rockbox-r24568.zip">http://linuxstb.cream.org/rockbox/rockbox-r24568.zip ?
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20:49:27kugelI mean, are we considering to get the aa font patch on the tracker?
20:49:31kugel+in
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20:50:22bug2000gevaerts: I just checked. Those incomplete for fixed are 27 letters -> In other words only the alphabet without the Nikud / Ta`amim. I'm fine with it. Really :0
20:50:24bug2000:)
20:50:33*kugel would like to see it in if it the drawback for non-aa fonts is next to 0
20:50:42Unhelpfuli don't know... i thought for a start i might implement mono font support in convttf and at least merge that (as it's useful *now)
20:50:57Unhelpfulkugel: it'll never be quite 0 as there's a binsize bump
20:51:20kugelyes, I mean except that of course
20:52:03bug2000kugel: Your nick is Yummy.
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20:56:07linuxstbpabouk_: Did you see my second link?
20:56:31Unhelpfulkugel: also there will be a call-via-pointer, or else an extra branch, per character drawn
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20:56:47pabouklinuxstb: Sorry, my IRC client disconnects all the time. rockbox-r24568.zip failed: I04:IllInstr at 31057FE4
20:57:07linuxstbpabouk_: OK, can you now try linuxstb.cream.org/rockbox/rockbox-r24565.zip">http://linuxstb.cream.org/rockbox/rockbox-r24565.zip ?
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20:57:34Unhelpfuli forget which way the code actually went, it's been a while
20:57:46Unhelpfulalso composing characters were done all wrong, unless that's fixed?
20:58:01*kugel hopes that branch doesn't make it unacceptable, as it's rather neglible compared to the rest of drawing in his eyes
20:58:17linuxstbpabouk: Also, you can check the IRC logs here, to see if you missed anything (or if any of your messages didn't get through) - http://www.rockbox.org/irc/current.txt
20:59:27AlexPJdGordon_: The sbs didn't change from showing the "wps stuff" (selected via) %?mp) to showing the "radio stuff" until I paused the radio - after that it was fine
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21:02:02AlexPAnd the radio screen is doing the same thing as the WPS was with only updating the backdrop in viewports - I guess the same issue as "we" fixed the other night?
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21:02:31AlexPOther than that, it seems grand :)
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21:03:06pabouklinuxstb: rockbox-r24565.zip works.
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21:03:34linuxstbpabouk: OK, I'll build another - give me a minute...
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21:05:08linuxstbBut as 24567 is a change to a plugin, r24566 seems the culprit (I'm building that now).
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21:07:02kugelmaybe it has something to do with the remote
21:07:44Unhelpfulkugel: *i* don't think the binsize hit is a huge big deal. maybe when i'm satisfied that i'm done w/ this division mess i'll take a look again.
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21:08:37linuxstbkugel: I would guess so - the h120 has a main backdrop, but no remote backdrop.
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21:08:57kugelis the remote 1bbp?
21:09:08pixelmayes
21:09:14pixelmathe Iriver remote is
21:09:20bertrikjobec, would you mind experimenting a bit with sansa clip power settings, to try to increase runtime?
21:09:36linuxstbpabouk: Next one is linuxstb.cream.org/rockbox/rockbox-r24566.zip">http://linuxstb.cream.org/rockbox/rockbox-r24566.zip
21:10:57kugelbackdrop_show() should be a stub
21:11:36linuxstbBut what about sb_get_backdrop() ?
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21:12:39pabouk_linuxstb: The file seems to be missing on your server: Object not found! Error 404
21:12:42kugeljust "return sb_skin[screen].data->backdrop;
21:12:42kugel" which should cause harm as is
21:13:59kugelJdGordon: sb_create_from_settings() lacks an else, the main ui vp config string is always taken
21:14:06linuxstbpabouk_: Sorry, fixed now.
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21:18:08pabouk_linuxstb: rockbox-r24566.zip works.
21:18:29JdGordon_bug2000: yeah, I thought it was nikudim, but then something from the back of my mind made me think nikudot was correct :p
21:18:30linuxstbpabouk_: OK, so that makes r24568 the culprit - I won't bother with 24567, as that was a change to a plugin.
21:18:52AlexPJdGordon_: Hmmm, my fms seems to work in the sim but not on target
21:19:10JdGordon_kugel: oh? can you fix it?
21:19:15kugelnot right now
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21:19:33linuxstbkugel: Would that be causing the h120/h140 crash?
21:19:37kugelthe backdrop related functions should check for the screen depth I think
21:19:50kugellinuxstb: no, I don't know what's crashing it
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21:20:31JdGordon_AlexP: ok, I thought i fixed the backdrop issue in the fms
21:20:47JdGordon_and not taking effect on start is hopefully just a restore=true missing or something
21:20:55JdGordon_how does it not work on target?
21:21:19AlexPI get the default fm screen, but with my sbs (which works just fine)
21:21:38JdGordon_lame :p
21:21:46JdGordon_pastebin the fms?
21:21:55AlexPsure
21:22:12AlexPActually, the not taking effect on start doesn't happen on target, that is fine :)
21:22:45JdGordon_ok cool
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21:23:06AlexPJdGordon_: http://pastebin.com/m4b8cf5e2
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21:23:48JdGordon_there is no fm AA yet, so you might need to remove th %C's
21:24:01AlexPI wondered about that, but it worked on the sim :)
21:24:04AlexPI'll try without
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21:26:40AlexPJdGordon_: OK, it was that indeed - funny how the sim didn't mind :)
21:27:01AlexPJdGordon_: OK, seems great bar the backdrop :)
21:27:24JdGordon_can you remind me in the tracker to make %C not break on target?
21:27:29AlexPsure
21:28:27JdGordon_ta
21:29:05piotrekmshall i save the backdrop images as X1R5G5B5 or R5G6B5 16bit image?
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21:35:27JdGordon_AlexP: and the yucky question, whats the skin buffer size (rockbox info screen)
21:36:18AlexPJdGordon_: 508 KB / 758 KB
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21:36:52jobecbertrik: sure
21:37:10bertrikjobec, are you able to build rockbox from source?
21:37:35JdGordon_yeah, that buffer really balloons on those big screen targets
21:38:05jobecnope. or at least i haven't set the build environment up
21:38:13AlexPJdGordon_: If you reuse backdrops are they loaded twice?
21:38:22JdGordon_not in svn
21:38:24AlexPAs I use e.g. the same backdrop for wps and fms
21:38:34JdGordon_thats something I need to fix
21:38:41AlexPah, OK :)
21:38:42kugelfms AA almost requires disk spinning up on entering the screen as far as I see it
21:38:45JdGordon_but its boring work so I hacvnt :p
21:38:58JdGordon_kugel: yes, so?
21:39:57*kugel remembers that was being 1 argument against the fms backdrop (back when we thought we need to merge it into the wps backdrop buffer)
21:41:06bertrikjobec, can you place this file in the .rockbox folder of your clip? http://filebin.ca/ssqtay/rockbox.sansa
21:41:29bertrikit's a firmware file modified to show some extra power settings in the debug menu
21:41:38JdGordon_kugel: thats not an argument against fms AA
21:42:20kugelwe should be able to bufopen each AA still within the fms, the only difference to the wps is that ring buffer doesn't move
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21:43:51kugelhas anyone thought of how to obtain the filename?
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21:45:08jobecbertrik: it's there. which settings?
21:45:52bertriksystem/debug/view hw info
21:46:25bertrikthe bottom line on the first screen of debug info shows SYSTEM: XX CVDD: YY, I want to know XX and YY
21:46:37JdGordon_kugel: no audio buffer need to be initialised on fms entry for that to work, which might not work
21:46:52JdGordon_as long as we dont try merging fm and rec screens thats should actually be ok
21:46:53kugelwhy should that not work?
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21:47:13kugelaudio and buffering is initialized in main
21:47:20jobecsystem: 29 cvdd: 04
21:47:31JdGordon_it might just be easier to manually load the images
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21:48:07kugelbut that sucks when changing the channels
21:48:11JdGordon_and load up as many as will fit so you can channel surf without hitting the disk
21:48:28bertrikjobec, thanks, it's the same as on my clip, I was hoping for a set of different numbers as that might explain something
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21:50:15kugelbuffering has the advantage of handling the scaling for us, also the skin engine uses the playback_aa_slot mechanism which is the layer between album art and buffering
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21:50:45kugelI guess we want to use that to easily switch the sbs to show the fms AA too
21:51:34jobecbertrik: ok. at least not very big thing to check
21:53:53JdGordon_kugel: ah, yeah, but can it be asked to arbitrarily load AA images? even without audio playing? or without audio tracks int heh buffer?
21:54:30kugelI don't see why not
21:56:27JdGordon_ok cool then
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21:56:54kugelbasically we would just call bufopen directly without going through playback.c, but playback.c has the aa_slot handling so it's not that easy
21:57:09kugelbut I'm not foreseeing a big deal
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22:16:00JdGordon_have we got an easy way to see all the avilable strings int he english.lang file without all the extra info?
22:16:11JdGordon_for people looking to make their skins translatable
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22:18:34kugelgrep :)
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22:34:08bertrik<build>/lang/lang_core.c ?
22:35:31JdGordon_maybe thats something we stick on translate.rockbox.org
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22:55:04B4gderhttp://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2010/02/09/my-rockbox-talk-at-fosdem-2010/
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23:02:04kugelslow stream? :(
23:03:23kugelah, the download.rockbox.org one is better
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23:13:03rasherB4gder: http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/5350064
23:13:21rasherI don't know if that actually works. This is my first attempt at creating a torrent
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23:18:47rasherSeems to be working.
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23:21:51pamauryhehehe, I've completely rewritten the dircache generation. Result: -591 bytes, -30kib ram :)
23:22:19pamaurylooks promissing
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23:29:25CIA-88New commit by 03FlynDice (r24573): Sansa Clip+: Unset pin B0 correctly in dualboot.S
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23:30:54pamauryI think that with some work, it is possible to get completely rid of MAX_PATH in dircache and diruncache as well as in file.c, that is nearly in the whole core (firmware/*). I have a prototype for this.
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23:34:02JdGordon_pamaury: nice work. removing MAX_PATH could cause problems in apps though, what happens when really long filenames are asked for but are truncated?
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23:38:28pamauryJdGordon: removing MAX_PATH from apps seems hard for now but I think that the core can be made mostly independent of MAX_PATH. That is, it can open file/dir with arbitrary long filenames.
23:39:54pamauryBut that's not the priority. My priority is to be sure my new dircache generation is correct and to commit it. I would like that Slasheri review it also but I've not seen him for several days now
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23:46:49pamauryCall to tester: could you try "FS #10991 - Rewrite dircache generation to free ram and stack " please ?
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23:58:40CIA-88New commit by 03stripwax (r24574): Use the same trig table as fft (which is already in iram where appropriate) for mdct post twiddles (was already doing for pre twiddles). Also fix an ...

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