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#rockbox log for 2010-03-11

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00:16:20JdGordonlinuxstb: re: radio cleanup on gsoc.. well yes its a mrsomeone job, but having the pay incentive means it can go there
00:16:26JdGordonI tihnk it is a big enough job for gsoc
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01:59:19CIA-5New commit by 03theseven (r25109): Even more Nano2G FTL speedup. Now 8% faster than disk mode, 10% slower than the OFW. 4.5MB/s sustained (contiguous) write, 6.0MB/s read for me now.
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02:02:47kugelTheSeven: I wonder why you still only use int32_t, it looks strange too see that allover
02:03:05TheSevenbecause it's just shorter than "unsigned int"
02:03:33TheSevenand i like to use unsigned for lots of things (everything where i don't need a sign)
02:04:08TheSevenand because it clearly states what it is, while things like "unsigned long" could be confusing
02:05:16*kugel types unsigned faster than int32_t :)
02:05:46TheSevenhm, only 30K?
02:05:49TheSeventhat can't be quite right
02:05:57kugelfor me it's confusing the other way around, since using those types usually has a special meaning
02:05:59TheSevenah wait, it's the binsize/ramsize average
02:06:32stripwaxisn't int32_t signed (vs uint32_t)?
02:06:40TheSevenyep
02:07:03TheSevenwell, i'm somehow accustomed to it ;-)
02:07:47TheSevenat least we have outperformed disk mode now :-)
02:08:27stripwaxdoes boosting make any difference to read/write performance on nano2g?
02:08:36TheSevenprobably, haven't checked
02:08:45stripwax(wonder if that's what the OF is doing)
02:09:01TheSeventhe OF seems to be always boosting
02:09:14TheSeventhe USB stack is now accounting for 30% of the transfer time, if that wouldn't be there, we would have easily outperformed it
02:09:53kugelonly that you wouldn't have usb then ;)
02:09:58stripwaxoh neat! but - the OF is permanently boosted? I'd have thought that would mean OF battery life sucks.
02:10:09stripwaxkugel - :-p
02:10:17TheSeven50MHz vs. 200MHz is a difference of 1 or 2 mA on that thing
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02:10:33stripwaxah ok. that's quite impressive.
02:10:58TheSevenlet's try this with some music files...
02:11:39TheSeven659 objects, 2.9GB
02:12:10stripwaxwhich targets have slow dram versus fast iram? I'm wondering if we could speedup some codec parts that rely on large dram tables that don't fit into iram, by copying (say) 64bytes at a time from dram to a small iram cache. (e.g. bitrev in mdct.c)
02:12:13TheSevenestimated 13 minutes
02:12:37TheSeventhat would be 3.7MB/s, which is quite good for that kind of transfer
02:12:56stripwaxspecifically - targets that have slow dram random access (but reasonably fast burst access) versus very fast iram
02:13:05kugelstripwax: PP and all coldfire, basically. all other (active) ARM targets have too little or slow iram
02:13:48saratogastripwax: i'm having some trouble porting the new mdct back to svn libtremor
02:14:11stripwaxkugel - is dram 'meaningfully' slow? (would copying, say, 64 bytes of a dram table to iram, running a bit of a loop that uses that data, copying the next 64 bytes to iram, running a bit more loop, etc likely be meaningfully faster than running the loop as it is with random access to dram)?
02:14:26stripwaxsaratoga - I've not had a chance to look unfortunately.
02:14:35saratogai've got it compiling, and converted the number of samples to the number of bits, b ut i'm still getting garbage out, do i need to cahnge anything else when i swap mdcts?
02:15:09stripwaxwhich "svn libtremor"? xiph's? lowmem branch or regular?
02:15:50kugelstripwax: I think doing so would only be worthy on cf (if at all)
02:15:54stripwaxI doubt our mdct is compatible with lowmem branch (they do the half-mdct thing, in place, without temp buffers)
02:16:14saratogai'm about to go and actually dump the data at each stage to see where its screwing up, but before i do that i want to make sure theres not some other major change required that i missed in the svn logs
02:16:17stripwaxkugel - that's roughly what I was thinking too. I might try and experiment and if it basically looks like achieving nothing I'll drop the idea.
02:16:22kugelbut I'm no real PP/cf expert so dount count on what I say
02:16:27stripwax:)
02:16:35kugeldont*
02:17:49stripwaxsaratoga - your latest patch the one on the FasterMDCT page? which "svn libtremor" is that against?
02:18:59saratogastripwax: the one on the xiph webpage, and its more or less current
02:19:08saratoganothing i changed since that made any difference
02:19:09stripwaxlowmem branch or regular though?
02:19:13saratogaregular
02:19:14saratogathe one we use
02:20:39stripwaxalso this won't work in low_precision mode, I've just realised.
02:21:01saratogawhats different about that mode?
02:21:43stripwaxthe trig is scaled so that operations are 32bit rather than 64bit, I think. Don't really know. rockbox doesn't use it :)
02:21:56stripwaxdifferent lookup tables. (the X() macro)
02:22:35stripwaxIs your nbits calculation correct in mdct_backward?
02:22:39saratogaah ok i vaguely remember reading about that ages ago
02:22:53saratogastripwax: yes, at least for 256 and 2048
02:23:05stripwaxok. I think I just added num_bits as data to the vorbis_block stuff to avoid having to recalculate it.
02:23:06saratogaat least it gives 8 and 11 respectively
02:24:33saratogayeah thats a better solution, but for now i tried something simple until i have it working
02:24:45stripwaxsounds reasonable. if that matches the nbits from rockbox then fine :)
02:25:23saratogawell if it looks ok i'll have to go through and debug the data line by line then
02:27:11stripwaxyou definitely not compiling with low_accuracy flag? I'm not sure what DATA_TYPE is (args to mdct_backward)
02:28:50stripwaxanyway, gotta go - might be able to look over the weekend
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02:31:09saratogaimo they shouldn't even have a low accuracy flag
02:31:15saratogaits completely useless on modern hardware
02:36:56saratogaas far as I can tell, the only purpose of low accuracy mode is to remove 32x32=64 muls from the mdct and floorN code
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02:37:25saratogaIMO this is completely stupid on ARM and probably on any other modern system likely to run tremor
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03:32:32TheSeven*PANIC* Stkov 08054800
03:32:45TheSevenhuh. but that address, if it would be, points into the middle of a function.
03:33:20TheSevenwell, fat_create_file, that could actually make sense
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03:35:01funmanpanicf() should clear the display
03:35:48TheSevenaha, indeed
03:35:51funmanhm *thread_*panicf() prints the thread's name, I read it as only 'panicf'
03:35:58TheSevenif the thread name is null, it will print an address!
03:36:39funmanaddress of the thread struct, so it shouldn't be in the middle of a function ?¿
03:36:51TheSevenyes, i though that, too
03:36:59TheSevenprinting the pc would actually make sense though
03:37:11kugelwhy?
03:37:34kugelit's a software mechanism, printing pc isn't useful here
03:38:50TheSevenwell, the pc of the function where it got caught
03:39:11TheSeven 0x08053d84 fat_remove
03:39:12kugelthat's not possible
03:39:13TheSeven 0x08054a6c fat_create_file
03:39:33TheSevenso that address would belong to fat_remove
03:40:01TheSevenlet me do a memdump...
03:40:12TheSevenwe really need a crashkernel option!
03:40:27kugelthread_switch() is looking whether 0xdeadbeef is destroyed or not, it's not possible to retrieve a useful pc from there. it could - if at all - get the address of the yield() call, but that doesn't mean that's where the stkov happened
03:40:54TheSevenkugel: well, but that would at least point towards where it *roughly* happened
03:41:21kugelthe same information is given by the thread name, basically
03:41:40TheSevenif it would still be there...
03:41:43funmanif the thread struct pointer is overwritten, you're pretty much fucked up ?
03:42:27TheSevenhm, there are some addresses at that address, surrounded by ARM code
03:43:56chrisbcan sansa e200 address a 16G SD card?
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03:44:38Lloreanchrisb: In Rockbox, yes.
03:44:56TheSevenhm, the value at that address is the address itself?
03:45:10TheSevensomething's weird about that stkov
03:45:16funmantry dereferencing it
03:45:30TheSevenhaha
03:49:04*TheSeven hates plugins with non-standard keymaps
03:49:11TheSevenhow do i exit goban?
03:50:19TheSevenaha, long press on center...
03:50:28TheSevenpretty much non-intuitive
03:50:57kugelfix it..
03:51:51TheSevenah, bugger, the stack is in iram, so i can't memdump it after a reboot
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03:52:20TheSevenhehe, let's try rolo'ing ibugger ;-)
03:54:20TheSevenhaha, that worked out of the box :-D
03:55:13TheSevenbut usb doesn't work... probably powered off somewhere
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03:58:40CIA-5New commit by 03theseven (r25110): Increase Nano2G main stack size to 16K again. We won't get rid of the stkov's at 8K easily.
03:58:42*TheSeven gives up
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04:01:30TheSevensomething must have increased stack usage. some weeks ago, everything was running smooth at 8K
04:01:46funmanif it's reproducible you can bisect it ?
04:07:54CIA-5New commit by 03theseven (r25111): Nano2G __dbg_hw_info (courtesy of Franz-Josef Haider)
04:09:30TheSevenfunman: that particular one is weird
04:09:37TheSeveni doubled the stack size, and now it works
04:09:55TheSevenand when i look into the OS stacks screen, the main stack is at just 27%
04:10:43TheSevenhm, after running goban it's at 53%
04:11:03TheSevenbut that playlist stkov is really strange
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04:13:59*TheSeven accidentally caught some nice commit numbers during the last days
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04:15:00TheSevenaaaah, the bootloader again
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04:22:45CIA-5New commit by 03theseven (r25112): Fix bootloader red
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05:26:06RegikaHey anyone here know if current rockbox build supports gameboy ROMs?
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05:49:39LloreanRegika: Usually the manual's up to date.
05:49:42LloreanAre you having problems?
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06:09:36RegikaNo thanks though
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09:01:24pixelmathe intermediate wav (and aiff) files produced by RbUtil on a MacOS 10.4 are 22.05kHz and Rockbox shows a bitrate of 352 kb/s for them (that's what Rockbox tells me about the ones created when using "Test TTS" - does this sound unusual enough that rbspeex fails to encode them correctly? Also the 22.05kHz come from the Apple TTS I think and so I guess the too big Archos voice file created here will be too (and should be at 11 kHz)
09:02:04pixelmahmm... rbspeex on the 10.5 Intel Mac could deal with this file correctly though :\
09:03:15LloreanI wouldn't know for sure, but 352kbps is ~1/4 of the 1411 or so that Stereo 44.1kHz audio is, so for 22.05kHz mono that seems right to me.
09:05:48pixelmahmm... forgot about mono. Yes, then the bitrate makes sense
09:06:04Zagorperhaps this might be interesting for us: http://github.com/finsprings/arduinaap/tree/master/iPodSerial/
09:06:40Zagorit's code for the ipod advance remote protocol
09:07:09LloreanOh, wow.
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09:14:32harpettei'm not finding the disk partitioning docs
09:16:42LloreanWhich disk partitioning docs?
09:17:31harpettedoesn't it need its own partition ?
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09:17:53LloreanDoesn't what?
09:17:59harpetteRockbox
09:18:01LloreanHave you read the installation instructions?
09:18:07harpettei am reading them
09:18:27LloreanDoes it say something about needing its own partition?
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09:18:43harpettethat's precisely what i am not finding
09:18:53AlexPno
09:18:57AlexPIt doesn't
09:19:07AlexPJust leave the player as it is
09:19:15harpetteso it installs in the Apple firmware partition then ?
09:19:22AlexPUnless you have a macpod in which case it needs to be a winpod
09:19:39AlexPNo, the bootloader goes in the firmware partition, rockbox goes on the main partition
09:19:44harpettei am about to install ipodlinux, and i thought i'd install Rockbox alongside
09:19:51harpetteOK
09:19:59AlexPNo idea about ipodlinux, you need to ask them
09:20:06harpetteno problem there
09:20:12harpetteit needs its own part
09:20:22harpette...and i've created it already
09:20:58harpetteOK thanks, i think i've got it now
09:21:02AlexPThe reason we don't have any docs on partitioning disks is becuase you don't. If you needed to we'd tell you :)
09:21:24harpetteyou may want to add that to the FAQ
09:21:31AlexPwhy?
09:21:37harpetteunless it's not a FAQ
09:21:40AlexPThe manual has full install instructions
09:21:55AlexPIf it doesn't tell you to do it as part of the instructions, then you don't need to do it
09:22:41harpettei am impressed with the documentation indeed, and the wiki and all. However, this time i just couldn't find the answer to my question
09:23:18Lloreanharpette: Why did you ask the question in the first place?
09:23:37harpetteLlorean: i thought i already said so
09:23:41AlexPI don't think most people assume that you will need to partition. That would be a major drawback
09:23:45LloreanMy point is, you didn't ask "do I need to hold my iPod upside-down while I install?" It seems odd to assume unlisted things might be steps.
09:23:45linuxstbharpette: The IpodPatcher wiki page has some more technical information about how Rockbox is installed on an ipod.
09:23:53harpetteaha
09:24:00harpettethanks
09:24:04Zagorgive him some slack. ipodlinux wants its' own partition. it's not unreasonable to then question of rockbox does too.
09:24:12amiconnpixelma: That's what the lame options are for - one of them tells it to resample to 12kHz
09:24:13harpetteprecisely
09:24:25AlexPSure, I just don't think it needs listing
09:24:35harpettefine then, don't do it
09:24:38LloreanZagor: I do think it's a little unreasonable to assume we left steps out of the install instructions though.
09:24:39amiconnThe tts should output whatever its natural output frequency is.
09:25:03amiconnAt least for sapi it is definitely better to let lame do the resampling instead of sapi. The latter seems to have a crappy resampler
09:25:08ZagorLlorean: yes, the question came up simply because he was installing ipodlinux and rockbox at the same time. it's a reasonable question, but rare.
09:25:14AlexPexactly
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09:25:35AlexPI never said the question was unreasonable, just that it doesn't need documenting - this is the first time I've seen it
09:25:37pixelmaamiconn: yeah, but it looks like RbUtil doesn't do this by default
09:25:56amiconnThen put those options there and retry
09:25:58AlexPAnd if we listed the responses to all the questions people ask we'd have a million page manual :)
09:26:25harpetteLlorean: i didn't think that i was assuming so, i just couldn't find it, so i thought i'd ask, and someone would point me to it. I guess i should've thought about it longer. Pfew ! Touchy pple in here
09:26:44AlexPharpette: Not at all, there is no problem asking at all
09:26:44pixelmaamiconn: will try if I have some more free minutes
09:26:53AlexPharpette: It is always better to be safe and sure :)
09:27:02harpetteAlexP: thanks, i was getting to really wonder
09:27:14Zagorharpette: sorry about that. some days we get a zillion questions from people who flame us for asking them to read the manual.
09:27:54linuxstbharpette: The main thing is that Rockbox itself (i.e. the contents of rockbox.zip) needs to be on a FAT32 partition. So whatever way you install ipodlinux, make sure there's a big FAT32 partition there - for Rockbox and your media files. Rockbox can only read FAT32.
09:28:05harpetteZagor: OK, sorry to hear that, although, come to think of it, that's to be expected, unfortunately
09:28:17harpettelinuxstb: how much room will it occupy ?
09:28:25AlexPRockbox is a few MB
09:28:32AlexPWith all the fonts, plugins etc
09:28:47harpetteAlexP: OK, cool
09:28:54harpettesounds good then
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09:29:33harpetteany advice on which i should install first ? ipodlinux, or Rockbox ?
09:29:58linuxstbOur advice is obviously to install rockbox first, then stop ;)
09:30:03AlexP:)
09:30:03harpettehaha
09:30:18harpetteaw come on
09:30:32AlexPI don't know, I don't have an ipod :)
09:30:41harpettewhat d'you have ?
09:31:19rvvs89harpette: Depends on how you install iPodLinux, if you're creating an ext2 partition then you should probably install iPodLinux first, if you're running it all off FAT32 then you can install it after Rockbox.
09:31:31harpettethe former
09:31:41AlexPharpette: iriver H140, gigabeat S120, gigabeat F60, sansa e200, sansa c200, sansa clip, miezu m3, logik dax, er... maybe another, I can't remember.
09:31:45harpetteOK thanks rvvs89
09:32:01linuxstbharpette: ipodlinux isn't really supported here - the only install we can help with is one following the instructions in the Rockbox manual. But having said that, install IPL first (making sure there is a FAT32 partition), and then unzip rockbox.zip to the root of that FAT32 partition. The IPL bootloader should detect and load Rockbox.
09:32:06harpetteAlexP: yes of course, silly me
09:32:34harpettelinuxstb: cool
09:32:36rvvs89harpette: You can also use the Rockbox bootloader to load iPodLinux if you place the kernel on the FAT32 partition.
09:33:09harpettervvs89: hmm i thought that the IPL bootloader was borrowed from Rockbox
09:33:21harpettervvs89: i thought i jst read that there
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09:33:26rvvs89harpette: No, there are two separate bootloaders.
09:33:29harpetteah
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09:33:58linuxstbThe "ipodpatcher" tool is a Rockbox tool, and that can be used to install the IPL bootloader.
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09:34:08rvvs89harpette: The iPodLinux wiki now recommends using ipodpatcher to install the iPodLinux bootloader.
09:34:22rvvs89Which is... yeah... a rockbox utility.
09:34:32harpettelinuxstb, rvvs89 : ah yes that's it.
09:35:01harpette OK so if i install IPL first, then i end up with /dev/sdx3 ext3 ; will the Rockbox automated installer mind that ?
09:35:12rvvs89No
09:35:16harpetteperfect
09:35:28rvvs89If by "automated installer" you mean some program to unzip a zip archive.
09:36:08harpetteOK i must've glanced over too quickly
09:38:12funmanRockbox Utility (rbutil) might find the correct partition when installing rockbox, but perhaps it's safer to use manual installation instructions
09:38:42harpetteaha so there we are. Thanks funman
09:39:32harpetteI'll read more about it. OK thanks everyone, i'm glad y'all were up and available. This is the end of the divertion. 'night.
09:39:54linuxstbGood morning.
09:40:03harpette...and thanks for the work BTW. 'morning.
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10:45:48AlexPfunman: Your radio change from a week or two ago (turn it off on some clips) - was it already turned off on the beast, or would that commit also have helped beast runtime?
10:46:02funmanAlexP: no idea
10:46:30funmanit seems the radio was only powered for some specific clips, and always off on fuze
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10:46:51AlexPBut that didn't touch beast initialisation at all?
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10:53:34funmanyes it did, but I mean the radio might have been powered off already
10:54:12AlexPOK, I should do some runtime stuff
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11:20:21funmanunlike the Sansa AMS (with si4700) the gigabeats can control tuner power
11:21:10funmanif it's possible to completely power off the FM chip on Clip & others (and not only the receiving part), we might get even more battery life
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11:27:29amiconnIt depends on the radio chip as well. The Samsung tuner used in fmrecorder and old Ondios can be powered off by the CPU. The Philips tuner used in the newer Ondios, irivers etc can't be powered off, but has a standby mode where it only consumes a few µA
11:27:51amiconnI.e. you wouldn't see a difference in battery runtime if you switch it off completely
11:40:20funmani don't know how much current the standby mode needs
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14:30:57kugelTheSeven: the delta for r25110 is strange
14:31:28kugel+2K/2K, shouldn't it it be +0K/16K?
14:31:58TheSeven25110 was that debug info patch, right?
14:32:26Farthenthe topic could be changed back as the website is online again...
14:32:48kugeloh wait
14:33:07TheSevenno, it's the stack size
14:33:11kugelTheSeven: r25111 has the delta. r25110 has no delta (the stack commit)
14:33:20TheSevenyes, this is IRAMSIZE
14:33:28TheSevenisn't included in the table ;-)
14:33:43Mode"#rockbox +o TheSeven" by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
14:33:46Topic"Please read before speaking: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IrcGuidelines | Please direct offtopic/social chat to #rockbox-community | This channel is logged at http://www.rockbox.org/irc | Rockbox is planning on applying for Google Summer of Code again - let's get working on the ideas list, etc" by TheSeven (~theseven@rockbox/developer/TheSeven)
14:33:47kugelah, I see
14:33:52Mode"#rockbox -o TheSeven" by TheSeven (~theseven@rockbox/developer/TheSeven)
14:34:17kugelTheSeven: you should be using lcd_putsf() in the _DEBUG_PRINTF macro to keep the binsize down :)
14:36:17TheSevenis that in the bootloader?
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14:36:51kugelthe bootloader shouldn't even compile debug-*.c :)
14:37:11TheSevenit does, for __dbg_ports
14:37:35TheSeventhat's the red that hit me yesterday
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14:37:48kugelyea, you probably should've edited SOURCES instead
14:38:15kugelalso, you clearly violate the idea of not calling apps/ code in firmware
14:38:18TheSevenno, this is actually used, it displays that screen if something fails and you press a button or something
14:38:53TheSevenwhat is that "apps code" i'm calling?
14:38:59kugelget_action()
14:39:13*TheSeven needs to check how the other screens do it
14:39:20TheSevenget_button_with_tmo or something?
14:39:46kugelthat's what was there before, and I believe that's what other targets do
14:40:38kugelyour bootloader is quite special then. other ports don't print debug info there, except the usual errors like file not found
14:41:39TheSevenhm, i didn't write that bootloader, and don't know its details
14:41:40kugelit's probably a left-over from the s5l8700 which never had a main binary
14:41:44*TheSeven needs to check it
14:41:50kugelthe samsung ones, I mean
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14:51:27CIA-5New commit by 03theseven (r25113): Remove a bunch of superfluous stuff from the Nano2G bootloader and fix __dbg_hw_info for Nano2G yet again
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14:54:04TheSevenaaah, that was a can of worms...
14:54:22linuxstbTheSeven: Yes, the stuff you just removed was left over from bertrik's bootloader experiments. Be careful you don't break his bootloader...
14:55:43kugelI have a strong doubt that samsung port is advancing at all in the near (or even far) future
14:57:18*linuxstb doesn't see the Meizus in the build table, so perhaps that means we shouldn't care too much - it doesn't belong in a bootloader anyway.
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15:01:41TheSevenactually it was ifdeffed out for them in the meantime
15:02:27kugelred!! :)
15:02:35*TheSeven doesn't see anything (besides lack of time) preventing it from advancing
15:03:01CIA-5New commit by 03theseven (r25114): Implement (unused) ADC wrapper for Nano2G to fix the red
15:03:55kugelTheSeven: no ftl?
15:04:04*TheSeven wonders why people don't want to implement their flash target's ftls properly
15:04:20kugelor do you think the nano2g's could be used as is?
15:04:43TheSevenwe still don't have init code for that one, but i think i undestand it well enough to write some
15:05:02TheSevenwhat about yaftl or something, if we want to ditch the OF compatibility?
15:07:06TheSeveni heard apple is using this on their newest devices
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15:36:41TheSevenliar: I'm finally hunting those HID issues
15:37:43TheSevenit only happens on linux for me though
15:38:10liarTheSeven: do you have an idea what is causing them?
15:38:36TheSevensome ipod misbehavior that will trigger windows to just reset it and try enumerating again, skipping the step that failed before
15:38:51TheSevenwhich gets around the problem 90% of the time, but not always
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15:39:06chrisbrockbox device as a bootserver? anyone yet? little diskless computers like the sansa e200 are cool
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17:34:44marazTheSeven: aw, i misread that as SEX_REPORT.
17:35:03marazthen i thought apple has installed some very weird sensors into their newer hardware...
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18:02:24pamauryDoes someone know if there is the usb-arc driver has a linux counterpart ? I want to check how they implement usb iso because I can't make it work.
18:02:32pamaurygevaerts: perhaps you know this ?
18:02:46pamaury*-there is
18:03:46linuxstbpamaury: I have a recollection that there is - the first version of the Rockbox driver was heavily copied from Linux IIRC. Then Zagor completely rewrote it, then gevaerts made it actually work.
18:04:47pamauryHum, I have an idea, I'm prettry sure I saw a imx3 usb driver is linux gadget core
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18:08:47pamauryI found it !
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18:12:36*TheSeven gives up on the hid because linux is broken
18:13:26pamauryDid you send a linux bug report for this bug ?
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18:33:59TheSevenpamaury_: no, i didn't, because i haven't checked it with the latest kernel yet (and don't really want to even compile one on that machine)
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19:06:12pixelmapassing the default lame options for encoding a voice file with RbUtil on the Mac I'm testing still gives me a much too big voice file for my OndioFM :\
19:06:44pixelmadefault as in "what make voice would use"
19:06:53bluebroth3rAlexP: I've had a short look at the build failure on archlinux. It's really weird, libspeex is around and available and building rbpspeex itself (against libspeex) does work.
19:07:10AlexPyeah, rbspeex worked for me too
19:07:14pixelmastill a lot saner than what RbUtil is using without passing anything
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19:07:36AlexPbluebroth3r: Thanks for taking the time to look - any ideas where to hunt next?
19:08:30CIA-5New commit by 03theseven (r25117): Fix Nano2G rolo once again
19:08:32pixelmabluebroth3r: I wondered why I only get an intermediate .wav (no aiff it seems) when the TTS is configured for an Archos target
19:08:53bluebroth3rAlexP: not really. As far as I can see include and link paths are correct, and the libspeex version used works fine for me on F12.
19:09:48AlexPbugger
19:09:58bluebroth3rpixelma: only a wav? The other way round I would have an explanation
19:10:10AlexPoh well, it isn't too important - i can always just download the release version :)
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19:10:39AlexPI could try building libspeex
19:10:43bluebroth3rAlexP: well, the reason is simply that rbutil tries to use libspeex. So you can always comment out the pkg-config calls in the rbspeex Makefile
19:10:57pixelmabluebroth3r: yes - at least that's the one kept with the RbUtil-dev build (according to file extension that is)
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19:11:12AlexPbluebroth3r: That'd work for me - I don't use voice
19:11:37AlexPbluebroth3r: I'll have a look at how arch builds speex, maybe they are passing some weird options.
19:11:46bluebroth3rAlexP: it won't break voice −− this will make it fallback to our own speex implementation (same as release builds do)
19:12:00AlexPeven better :)
19:12:16bluebroth3rAlexP: the weird thing is that I checked the symbols in libspeex.so, and the required symbols are in fact present.
19:12:30AlexPThat is very odd indeed
19:13:01bluebroth3rit's a bit strange that 1.2.4 was reported working in the forums, that version also uses the systems libspeex and fails for me. 1.2.3 is the last that does not try to do so
19:13:53AlexPMaybe he just confused the versions
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19:14:16bluebroth3rI guess so.
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19:16:43bluebroth3rAlexP: you need to comment out tools/rbspeex/Makefile:32
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19:17:37AlexPbluebroth3r: ta, I'll try it
19:17:54bluebroth3rit's a bit ugly but it'll work :)
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19:20:08bluebroth3rwtf ...? Now it linked :o
19:20:44AlexPbluebroth3r: It doesn't seem to like that: http://pastebin.com/42QPzJ2n
19:21:07AlexPThat is with line 32 commented out of the rbspeex makefile
19:21:22bluebroth3rAlexP: rm -rf build/build :)
19:21:42bluebroth3rI've stumbled across that a few times but haven't bothered to fix it.
19:22:03AlexPbluebroth3r: ta - I did make clean first so assumed that took care of it :)
19:23:09AlexPI can't remember why I was trying to build rbutil in the first place now :)
19:23:35*bluebroth3r found something −− let's see if a clean rebuild works
19:23:58bluebroth3rbut _if_ that is the cause then the linker on arch is behaving quite strange.
19:24:04AlexPoooh :)
19:24:12AlexPI await with baited breath :)
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19:25:01AlexPIt built with the Makefile edit btw :)
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19:43:45bluebroth3rAlexP: ok, my change did make it work: it goes crazy because -lspeex comes _before_ -lrbspeex.
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19:44:24AlexPbluebroth3r: I won't pretend to understand why that makes a difference
19:44:37bluebroth3rinterestingly my F12 box has gcc 4.4.3 and that arch installation too.
19:44:46AlexPbluebroth3r: If the order is changed does it still work on other distros?
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19:46:47chrisbF12?
19:47:37AlexPFedora 12
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19:53:17*bluebroth3r reproduced the issue on F12!
19:54:26bluebroth3rAlexP: the problem is the −−as-needed option of the linker. Seems arch uses −−as-needed, while F12 uses the default −−no-as-needed. Adding −−as-needed makes it break on F12 too.
19:54:43AlexPThis is top-notch detective work :)
19:56:57bluebroth3rsee http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/qa/asneeded.xml
19:57:18amiconnpixelma: Define "much too big"
19:58:51AlexPbluebroth3r: interesting reading. Can we force −−no-as-needed for rbutil?
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20:00:19AlexPOr can we re-order the LIBS line?
20:00:23bluebroth3rAlexP: I guess we could, but simply changing the order works too. I'd prefer to have it working with the defaults −− there is no technical need for −−no-as-needed
20:00:31AlexPyep
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20:02:56bluebroth3rAlexP: do I need to register to comment on AUR packages?
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20:03:18AlexPyes, but I am registered and can comment for you if you would rather not
20:03:53CIA-5New commit by 03Domonoky (r25121): dont try to show wrong image links.
20:04:03bluebroth3rAlexP: well, would save me the work to sign up :)
20:04:33AlexPSure, just let me know what. For rbutil-svn I guess?
20:04:47CIA-5New commit by 03Domonoky (r25122): ups, wrong variables.
20:05:18bluebroth3rYes. An interesting note for the packagers might also be a pointer to deploy-release.py as that file is maintained and should always include the file / folder names needed for building.
20:05:44LloreanDoes rbutil not support the Gigabeat S?
20:05:50AlexPLlorean: negatory
20:06:05CIA-5New commit by 03Domonoky (r25123): ups again.
20:06:12LloreanWhy's the S still unstable?
20:06:12AlexPbluebroth3r: If you pastebin me a comment I'll post it :)
20:06:25AlexPInstall and some single boots don't work I think
20:08:32bluebroth3rspeaking of the beast, I was considering to add support for the beast to rbutil −− but without bootloader installation, as that will be some major work.
20:08:47AlexPThat'd already be handy :)
20:09:00bluebroth3rthe problem is that rbutil expects the player to have a mountpoint, which obviously isn't the case for the beast until the bootloader has been installed.
20:09:03LloreanI was about to ask if it would be reasonable to add a "detect unstable targets" checkbox, and the ability to unzip rockbox.zip to them as an option in rbutil
20:09:18bluebroth3ryes, and as we now have those "disabled" targets I could simply put it into that group :)
20:11:12*domonoky wonders how we should do the vibe500 support in rbutil. it doesnt have a bootloader, but requires a extra step after unzipping the main-build..
20:11:26LloreanWhat kind of extra step?
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20:17:04domonokycopiing the jukebox.mi4 from the .rockbox dir to SYSTEM and rename the of to tester.mi4 for dualboot
20:17:48LloreanAnd that's something that needs to be done every update?
20:17:50pixelmaamiconn: I'm at about 2MB for e.g. deutsch.voice
20:19:24pixelmashould the intermediate wav files (voice creation on Mac) be playable by wavplay?
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20:20:42domonokyLlorean: they copy step yes, renaming the of is ofcourse only needed once.
20:21:37LloreanCan we just package the jukebox.mi4 in the zip in the right subdirectory already?
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20:22:29domonokythats possible, but then its also easy to overwrite the OF without renaming it before
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20:23:06bluebroth3rAlexP: something like this: http://pastebin.ca/1834232
20:23:35Lloreandomonoky: Maybe rbutil needs a post-extraction "cleanup" step (such as the copying, including checking that the file's ours before overwriting it).
20:23:39AlexPbluebroth3r: Will do
20:23:45bluebroth3rAlexP: thanks
20:23:45amiconnpixelma: Depends. wavplay only supports a rather limied set of the wav standard
20:24:06LloreanAre there any other jobs rbutil could do post-install that would be good? I guess that might be when the "first time setup" prompt could come up or other things, in the distant future
20:24:26amiconnpixelma: You can test such voice files on an "8MB-modded" sim
20:24:33bluebroth3rpixelma: I can play those files using "play" from the command line, though play cuts of a bit at the end.
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20:24:56AlexPbluebroth3r: OK, done. Thanks for investigating and fixing :)
20:24:58amiconnAh no
20:25:12amiconnThat won't work, since the MAS isn't simulated...
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20:26:12AlexPThe beast battery life really is rubbish - battery bench today gave 5:30 with a bigger 1000 mAh battery
20:26:13amiconnpixelma: Either there is something wrong with the intermediate files so that lame effectively encodes white noise, or the apple tts is too slow and/or too noisy
20:26:21amiconnIs there a way to set the speed?
20:26:43pixelmabluebroth3r: swcodec Rockbox was able to play the ones created for my M5 too, haven't checked this one which was created with the MP3 TTS setting on swcodec yet
20:28:13amiconnAlexP: Afaiu that won't change unless someone implements boosting and voltage scaling
20:28:17bluebroth3rAlexP: you're welcome :)
20:28:32AlexPamiconn: yeah
20:28:43amiconnjhMikeS seems to have vanished..
20:28:46pixelmaamiconn: the voice I use is a 30 days trial version of Infovox (Acapela) which sounds really nice. Talk clips created with it and RbUtil work (for MP3 targets). I can set speed in the Apple OS but it doesn't seem to take effect in RbUtil
20:28:53AlexPamiconn: Yes, that is very unfortunate
20:29:59amiconnpixelma: Hmm. Something to figure out for bluebroth3r, probably
20:30:47amiconnYou could try to go down to 8kHz sample rate.
20:30:53amiconn(for lame)
20:33:33bluebroth3rpixelma: adjusting the speed is simply not implemented yet in Rockbox Utility. I did look into that yesterday though.
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20:36:25pixelmaI'll try the sample rate thing next but I'd also like the speaking to be a bit quicker (judged from the "Test TTS" sample), so adjusting speed in RbUtil would be needed - and really helpful for Archos voices
20:37:16pixelmaone thing that could also help me a bit is an SVN build (without backlight) - slightly smaller build and a few less strings
20:37:44amiconnNo less strings
20:38:10amiconnsvn includes the backlight strings on Ondio,
20:39:26pixelmahmm, now I remember
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20:40:09pixelmabut binsize is a little bit smaller. Would an OndioSP build work (without radio and recording then of course but)?
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20:40:31amiconn?
20:41:36pixelmaif I want to test the voice file and can't squeeze it enough and just need a little bit more space and a slightly smaller voice file
20:42:13amiconnAn Ondio SP build will only work on an Ondio SP
20:42:32pixelmaaha, ok
20:43:25pixelmaI could prepare myself a special build though with HAVE_RECORDING commented out etc.
20:43:52pixelmabut I'll try the resampling first
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20:46:23pixelmaand hope for voice speed control in RbUtil :) Is it just not implemented for the Apple TTS or in general, can't remember seeing an option but I thought the Utility could use the TTS's global settings?
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20:55:50TheSevenIs there anybody in north america who seriously wants to work on reverse engineering the ipod classic? I have a donation offer from Canada...
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21:17:13*Farthen thinks that the WPS-syntax should be reworked
21:18:00LloreanYou mentioned XML in the other channel
21:18:08LloreanIdeally any rework should aim to make parsing faster, not slower.
21:18:46Farthenxml was just an example
21:18:56Farthenanything would be better than this
21:18:58LloreanThe problem of human readability of .wps files can always be solved with better tools for editing them, rather than expecting people to use notepad. And in all honesty, considering the proliferation of theming as it is, apparently it's human readable enough.
21:19:18LloreanPlease, don't resort to hyperbole. It's quite obvious that one could come up with worse syntaxes than the existing one.
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21:19:45domonokyah graphical theme editor might be nice :-)
21:19:46AlexPsyntax highlighting for common editors would be helpful for that
21:19:50punktI vote for LUA-based themes.
21:20:06LloreanAlexP: I think syntax highlighting would help a lot, honestly.
21:20:13AlexPIt shouldn't be a programming language
21:20:21domonokymaybe we should try that again as gsoc project ?
21:20:33AlexPLlorean: My biggest issue with current WPSs is just that I get lost in long lines
21:20:39LloreanSame here.
21:20:45LloreanCan you still split lines?
21:20:50AlexPNo idea :)
21:21:03LloreanI seem to recall that if you put a comment marker at the end of a line it could comment out the line break
21:21:08LloreanWhich was actually quite handy.
21:21:25pixelmashould be possible with commenting out the line break but haven't tried myself
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21:22:05*pixelma can live with some inconvenience if the system is faster and "smaller" on the player
21:22:06LloreanI mean, it comments out the line break in full line comments too I guess, which is why they don't affect spacing. So it makes sense it should still work
21:22:46Fartheni think commenting out a line break is not a good idea. it could lead to parsing errors that are hard to find
21:22:49LloreanBut yeah, syntax highlighting for common editors, and maybe a standalone editor with a preview function, would be nice. Trying to make the language more human readable at the possible cost of code size/speed, not so nice.
21:23:01TheSevenwhat about some (insert-sane-markup-format-here) to wps compiler?
21:23:16TheSeven(or even to something different, even less readable, which is even faster to parse)
21:23:21LloreanTheSeven: XML->RbWPS?
21:23:23pamauryI was about to propose the same :)
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21:23:46TheSeventhat's basically what i've done for iloader themes ;-)
21:23:54pamauryYou edit in a more readable format and then compile to som binary format which fast to parse (no or few errors to handle)
21:24:01punktWriting a theme for absolute touch mode can be similar to programming a gui.
21:24:22punktConditional viewports, touch regions are steps in that direction.
21:24:31AlexPWe absolutely should not make theme authors learn a programming language however
21:24:53TheSevenlearning wps isn't much better...
21:24:55Farthenthat's why i don't like the WPS syntax
21:24:59LloreanCompiled themes would require either the theme site to provide both the compiled and human readable versions, or rbutil to handle the compile during the install, I guess.
21:25:11AlexPIt is lots better - you are told exactly what you need to do
21:25:21LloreanFarthen: The WPS syntax is much, much more basic than most programming languages.
21:25:25pamauryThough I don't no the WPS syntax, from what I've seen it's completely unreadable when not used too :)
21:25:27TheSevenLlorean: or actually a format that can be decompiled without information loss
21:25:43TheSevenso that the compilation will just append the compiled version to the source code or something
21:26:18AlexPpamaury: Yeah, you need to know the tags
21:26:21pamauryOr have a plugin compiler, when rockbox sees a theme, it compile it on the fly using the plugin if not done
21:26:28AlexPor look them up at least :)
21:26:42Farthenwhat about a runtime compiler? rockbox compiles the file when loading the theme for the first time and then uses the compiled version until the saved hash of the theme changes
21:26:45domonokyjust use the current wps syntacs as "compiled" form :-)
21:27:12pamauryif one use a compiled form, a binary format is more indicated I think
21:27:16AlexPFarthen: Called as a plugin? Otherwise that is quite a waste
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21:27:37pamauryFarthen: that's what I proposed a few lines above
21:27:42punktI recently submitted a patch for using variables in the theme (FS #11084). This can be used for e.g. popup menus, toggling between album art, playlist info etc.
21:27:44LloreanA runtime compiler seems bad. Either you've got two parsers in RAM now (the compiler one, and the WPS one) or you depend on a plugin to be able to compile/convert WPSes and core functionality doesn't work if you remove plugins.
21:27:52Farthenpamaury: we had the same ideas actually ;-)
21:27:57*bluebroth3r doesn't think that using a small embedded language like Lua is such a bad idea
21:28:03punktSo at least for touch targets, the wps will evolve away from a simple template language.
21:28:18AlexPIf it is accepted
21:28:21Lloreanpunkt: Just because you've submitted a patch for it doesn't mean that's where WPSes are going.
21:28:28bluebroth3rpixelma: new rbutil binary uploaded
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21:29:08bluebroth3rthat's a svn binary so it doesn't save the intermediate files. Shouldn't be a problem for your lame options tests I guess :)
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21:29:20punktI know that the patch isn't in yet, but I think there will be demand for such things in the future, when more people have touch targets.
21:29:27AlexPbluebroth3r: That's a bit rude, her tests aren't lame :)
21:29:39bluebroth3rAlexP: :P
21:29:57pixelmalame name
21:30:13*pamaury goes back to usb audio debug...
21:30:20bluebroth3rindeed, Rockbox Utility is a lame name :D
21:30:26evilnick_Bpunkt: While I (really) like the flexibility in your work on WPS, anything that makes the syntax significantly more difficult for new users who want to create their own themes means as a project we have less pretty themes to play with
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21:30:45LloreanDoes the WPS really need to provide menus?
21:31:01LloreanIs there something wrong with the existing menu structure and possibly improving that / making it themable instead?
21:31:06bluebroth3rhow about somebody picking up the wps editor? It's not been touched for almost 2 years now ... unfortunately
21:31:18TheSevenuh oh. configurable menus...
21:31:23bluebroth3rmenus in the wps? Urgh
21:31:31AlexPyeah, I'm not a fan of that
21:31:44bluebroth3rif we get menus in the wps I insist on getting the coffee maker plugin!
21:31:49punktOops, was it something i said? :)
21:32:00LloreanI really think the WPS should be mostly kept non-interactive beyond providing the functionality via touch that buttoned players normally have via buttons.
21:33:07domonokyso we should put both theme editor and new wps language experiments onto the gsoc ideas page :-)
21:33:15LloreanYes.
21:33:43AlexPThe WPS language bit is as much about design (and therefore arguments) as anything else
21:34:09pixelmabluebroth3r: I thought having those wav files around could help finding out what properties those files have
21:34:25punktLorean: I actually quite like the way the D2 of works. With buttons displayed on first touch and popup menus for repeat, shuffle etc. Kind of like having the quick menu and context menu in the theme.
21:34:50domonokyAlexP: we could let some student explore different ideas for new wps languages and decide at the end for the best :-)
21:34:53bluebroth3rpixelma: true. But my script builds directly from svn, and my current tree is too dirty for creating a different binary right now. Will try to get that done later.
21:35:11AlexPdomonoky: Or just argue ourselves into a stalemate :)
21:35:29Lloreanpunkt: Wouldn't being able to theme those screens to fit the look of the WPS also solve the problem then?
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21:36:15pixelmabluebroth3r: ok, I'll test tomorrow. Is there something new I should keep an eye on, try speex voice or something?
21:36:38LloreanAlexP: That can be discussed when trying to decide on a project though. If someone wants to do WPS Language proposals, we could come up with a project around it before we decide to accept it.
21:36:43bluebroth3rpixelma: no, nothing new. Just speed adjustment, as you were waiting for :)
21:36:53LloreanSuch as implementing LUA blocks in the WPS, or something similar.
21:36:53pixelmayay :)
21:37:10AlexPLlorean: Sure, it is an interesting thing to add. I'm being somewhat tongue-in-cheek :)
21:37:16bluebroth3rmaybe some Lua -> wps translator plugin that gets auto-loaded on demand?
21:37:38bluebroth3rthat could even get used as wps "compiler" on the pc.
21:37:45pixelmamissed the commit
21:38:37punktLlorean: I'd rather like to be able to change the structure of e.g. the context menu. Have it appear as e.g. two rows of buttons in my theme etc.
21:39:02Lloreanpunkt: Wouldn't that be themeing of the menu?
21:39:22LloreanLong has been discussed that sense the menu is a list, it could be presented in a variety of different visual manners algorithmically.
21:39:27Llorean*since
21:39:57LloreanAlexP: What ever happened to plugins-in-WPS anyway?
21:40:25evilnick_BLlorean: You mean the pebbles thing that gevaerts was looking at? Or something different?
21:40:26AlexPLlorean: gevaerts has a proof of principle task on flyspray
21:40:35AlexPLlorean: He calls them pebbles :)
21:40:36punktLlorean: I guess with a themable menu able to appear in a part (viewport) of the wps, that's pretty close.
21:40:45Lloreanevilnick_B: Basically that, yes.
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21:41:43LloreanAre pebbles something that might make a good GSOC project?
21:41:43punktbluebroth3r: A lua->wps translator wouldn't really work, because lua has stuff that wps hasn't, like variables, if-else, loops, tables etc.
21:43:25bluebroth3rpunkt: it would work if you restrict the language. Which you would need to do anyway.
21:43:42bluebroth3rthough translation definitely would become non-trivial
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21:44:20AlexPLlorean: I *think* I asked gevaerts and he thought it wasn't big enough
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21:44:26AlexPI might be misremembering though
21:44:49LloreanAlexP: A project like that can be made big enough by requiring a list of sample pebbles to also be made. :-P
21:45:03AlexPtrue :)
21:46:05*domonoky thinks pebbles is a good gsoc projects.
21:46:18TheSevenwell, this isn't just about pebbles, also about relocatable plugins in general and thus getting rid of the plugin buffer
21:46:25TheSevenmay that be big enough=
21:46:34domonokyif the student is finsihed early, he can always improve other parts of the theming :-)
21:47:12domonokyrelocatable plugins are already in the gsoc ideas page. but without mentioning pebbles or in wps-plugins.
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21:58:39CIA-5New commit by 03Buschel (r25127): Minor optimization for musepack codec through moving functions to IRAM on PP processors. Speed ups codec by 0.25 MHzon PP5022.
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22:03:13TheSevendomonoky: they are enabling us to do those easily though
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22:29:33TheSevengevaerts: btw, when talking about USB caching, i thought about a bidirectional write-back cache that could try to sequentialize operations that are coming in interleaved, to allow the FTL to write bigger chunks (and thus faster)
22:30:00TheSevenit appears like your implementation doesn't even cancel a write if the data has already been superseded by a later entry in the buffer
22:30:19TheSeventhat kind of write fifio probably won't really speed up things
22:30:35Buschelmt: (for the logs) atrac3 joint stereo files do not decode anymore. I get a codec failure... I assume this is connected to latest .wav changes?
22:30:51TheSevenat least for every situation where there isn't just a tiny burst of writes
22:32:12linuxstbBuschel: How can .wav changes affect the atrac3 codec?
22:34:03Buschellinuxstb: see r24689
22:34:56linuxstbBuschel: Ah, we support atrac3-in-wav now?
22:35:24Buschelyes, but ask mt for details ;o)
22:35:39linuxstbWhose crazy idea was that? ;)
22:36:55amiconnBuschel: Keep in mind that using IRAM is not always good on PP5020
22:37:29Buschelamiconn: my commit comment was not precise -> only done for PP5022/24
22:38:01amiconnAha
22:38:14amiconnIn turn, IRAM is *very important* on PP5002
22:38:58Buschelmaybe you can optimize mpc's IRAM config for PP5002? ;o)
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22:41:13Buschelok, will have some sleep now and for the next 10 hours :) hard day tomorrow. see you!
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22:53:24linuxstbTheSeven: Have you seen this forum thread (and the bug report linked from it) ? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=24161.0
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23:50:19bluebrotherpixelma: uploaded a new working snapshot. Now keeps even more wav files around. I'd also interested in the "Speech Manager" line in the Help / System Info dialog, especially on the box where it crashes.
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