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#rockbox log for 2010-03-17

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00:07:53JdGordonpamaury: being able to resume a playlist, and be able to save the search would be awesome
00:08:01JdGordoninstead of adding each track manually
00:08:08JdGordonso it works more like the file browser
00:08:58sevvHi guys, I'm glad this exists. I've been using rockbox on my 4th gen greyscale ipod for about 6 months ago. This morning it was in my pocket and the hold button wasn't on. When I looked at it I was in some sort of bios boot menu, I hit play trying to find a quit button and it clicked on "Wheel" and rebooted... now my wheel doesn't work to navigate the menus. I've spent an hour looking around in the manual and the wiki for what that was... is this RoLo? How do
00:09:01pamauryhum, resuming playlist has to do with tagcache ?
00:09:23pamauryand what do you mean by save the search ?
00:10:45JdGordonwhen you build a playlist from the db each track is added seperatly. when you do a dirplay from the file browser a single line gets added to the playlist control file
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00:11:28linuxstbsevv: That sounds likely to be Apple's "diagnostics mode". It shouldn't break anything though - just hold MENU+SELECT for a few seconds to reset your ipod (if you haven't already).
00:11:49pamauryah ok, I don't know if there is a simple *fix* for this but I can have a look
00:12:08sevvlinuxstb: I've tried this but after I reboot I still can't use the wheel.
00:12:24sevvlinuxstb: I can click buttons on the wheel, I just can't spin my finger on it to navigate menus.
00:13:03pamauryI admit that my curreny concern is understanding why the hell tagcache contains so much code for something that seems no so complex. The code seems to be always the same but slighly different, it drives me mad, it's horrible to understand
00:13:50sevvlinuxstb: the font was huge, there were 5 or 6 things to select on it, the first being Wheel
00:14:53linuxstbsevv: Reset again, then hold SELECT+LEFT - that should take you back there. But I wouldn't have expected that to have made any permanent changes.
00:15:19sevvlinuxstb: interesting! it now says IRAMPASS HIT PLAY CONTINUE
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00:16:55sevvWTF
00:17:03sevvhttp://forums.ilounge.com/showthread.php?t=151974
00:17:08sevvGood point - the fact that the clickwheel is the only place where liquids can enter. I think the reason my was/is having trouble is because when I clean the outside I might have used too much windex once. It's actually been totally fine lately... I just clicked the hold button back and forth a lot as opposed to just once and it has been working with no problems..
00:17:11phiibusterIs the daily build archive down? I upgraded rockbox on my Fuzev1 and now it won't play, which is documented in FS11114. I'm looking to downgrade to the last working version, which might help in finding the offending commit
00:17:18sevv^^ A users post from that page
00:17:27sevvclicking hold once back and forth doesn't do anything
00:17:33sevvdoing it many times... now my wheel works
00:17:39sevvis this a pretty common hardware problem? :|
00:18:11gevaertsphiibuster: apparently it is...
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00:18:33sevvthat's so weird.
00:19:18phiibustergevaerts: great... I guess I'll use the OF for now.
00:19:40gevaertsphiibuster: the latest release should work
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00:20:30phiibustergevaerts: sure.
00:20:40sevvso weird.
00:20:57sevvDoes anyone know of a theme for the 4gen ipod greyscale that looks like the ipod theme ;)
00:21:06gevaertsphiibuster: I wonder if this could be related to FS #11107, in which case checking the filesyste might help
00:21:14sevvi don't mean to rip anybody off, but it has a nice big font and my eyes suck.
00:21:16RadicalRHmm, does anyone else have a M:Robe 100?
00:21:39gevaertsRadicalR: I have one. I don't really use it though
00:21:49RadicalRI have a quick question.
00:21:55RadicalRHopefully, you can answer it.
00:22:07RadicalRWhen I start it and check the battery life
00:22:15RadicalRit says 100% 150h
00:22:33RadicalRIs that for real or was the thing never benchmarked properly?
00:22:55saratogaupdate your build
00:23:05gevaertsIt was never benchmarked properly I suppose. The problem is that it's tricky to find people with a reasonably new battery
00:23:06RadicalRIt's the most up to date.
00:23:22RadicalROuch. Yeah, this one is pretty old.
00:23:37RadicalRForums says about 6 hours, which is pretty decent.
00:23:51RadicalRThen again that was 2 years ago..
00:24:08gevaertsUnless you have a reasonably new battery, benchmarks aren't really reliable enough for calibration
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00:24:40RadicalRI probably could get a new battery off of ebay.
00:25:05RadicalRThere are people still selling m:robe stuff.
00:25:52gevaertsWell, it's just the remaining time estimate that will be off. It won't actually shutdown earlier because of the missing data
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00:26:36phiibustergevaerts: checked both SD and internal memory, no errors.
00:27:16gevaertsok, one of the AMS people will have to look at it then I guess
00:27:25*pamaury really doesn't understand HAVE_EEPROM_SETTINGS, there is strange code out there
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00:28:20phiibustergevaerts: thanks for trying to help.
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00:35:24kugeloh dear
00:35:27mtsaratoga: I just say that because when I tried to work with libfaad, it was a scary experience ! Otoh, codecs from ffmpeg tend to be well organised.
00:35:34kugelI can't get this lcd driver for the fuzev2 to work
00:36:35saratogamt: yeah i like the ffmpeg layout better, but libfaad is not actually so bad once you get used to it
00:36:45saratogamostly the problem is that the aac format is needlessly complicated
00:38:54saratogawhat was the problem with libflac anyway?
00:39:01saratogaflac is such an efficient format how is it so bad?
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00:45:52linuxstbsaratoga: It's layer-upon-layer of API, trying to be C++ in C.
00:46:28linuxstbSo it's very easy for an app to integrate it, but not very efficient.
00:46:36saratogalinuxstb: the API slows the codec down by a factor of several though?
00:47:23saratogaon the fuze we get better battery life then the OF, which means they're probably running the clock at least 3x higher then us to decode flac files
00:48:41linuxstbWell, something did... At the time, Coldfire was the main target, so I think the cache misses due to larger code size may have been an issue. IIRC, the entire ffmpeg decoder fits in IRAM on Coldfire.
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01:31:31kugelsaratoga: we are what?
01:31:59kugelthe OF gets over 22h, we're getting much less
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01:48:04CIA-5New commit by 03mc2739 (r25226): Buildserver: block frederico-dannya due to failed builds
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02:04:16Horschtouch?
02:07:27linuxstbkugel: With FLAC?
02:07:59kugelwell, I haven't checked flac
02:08:32kugelbut I can't imagine they are worse then we with flac when they are at least 50% better with mp3
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02:38:11saratogakugel: for flac
02:38:25saratogathey get something like 40% of the mp3 runtime for flac
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02:43:17CIA-5New commit by 03kkurbjun (r25227): M66591 Driver: Correct some comments.
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02:44:22CIA-5New commit by 03kkurbjun (r25228): M:Robe 500 - Improve YUV blit speed.
02:50:01RadicalROh sweet. A update for the M:Robe 500
02:50:13RadicalR*An
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03:28:23mc2739funman: (for the logs) e200v2 will not boot since r25198, also problems with fuze - see FS #11114
03:29:12mc2739^^ fuze v1
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04:21:20clone4crwhello all
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04:24:02piepiepieHello
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04:26:55clone4crwHey could I have write permissions for the Wiki? Thanks.
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04:46:10saratogalabclone4crw: whats your wiki name
04:46:49clone4crwCalvinWalden
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04:49:37saratogalabclone4crw: done
04:51:17saratogalabhmm I seem to have broken the wiki
04:51:46saratogalabit really doesn't like being edited in the WYSIWYG editor
04:52:45saratogalabBagder: when you get a chance could you fix the wikiusersgroup page?
04:53:33clone4crwsaratogalab: thanks!
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05:12:30funmanmc2739: what happens on e200v2: black screen ? panic?
05:14:38funmani can reproduce the random behaviour described in FS #11114 (no data abort yet though)
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05:22:15mc2739funman: I get similar panic messages to FS #11114 right after firmware (2nd) logo
05:22:33funmancommenting line 62 of crt0.S fixes it ?
05:23:48funmanseems to do it on my fuze
05:24:45mc2739I did not try that, I bisected a working build (r25169) and currecnt and found that r25198 was the first that caused the panic
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05:25:53funmani'm not sure what happens: sp should be uninitialized at this point (set by the bootloader), and we only store the return value on entering memory_init and restore it after mmu is enabled
05:26:02mc2739s/panic/data abort/
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05:31:47funmanin which function is the abort?
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05:32:23funmanfind_handle for me
05:34:13mc2739commenting line 62 does allow it to boot
05:38:19mc2739with r25228 - data abort at 300505fc - according to map file 0x300503f0 -> wakeup_thread
05:39:20funmanpreviously sp would point into iram
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05:42:03mc2739wait, i found a closer match - 0x3005054c -> create_thread
05:42:27funmanit's almost identical to fuze layout
05:45:11funmanif i make sp point somewhere in iram => OK, point to irq_stack => OK
05:47:22funmananyway memory_init should be written in crt0.S
05:49:30funmanstill i don't get what happens :(
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06:02:44CIA-5New commit by 03funman (r25229): as3525*: revert r25198 and inline memory_init in crt0.S ...
06:03:04funmanmc2739: does this commit work for you too ?
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06:03:39funmanBlastTyrant: (for you as well)
06:07:20*funman removed e200v2 & fuzev1 from the forum thread title
06:09:24mc2739funman: yes, it works with r25229
06:10:43CIA-5New commit by 03funman (r25230): as3525: Fix previous commit, IRAM_ORIG can not be represented as an immediate value on targets with 2MB of ram
06:15:58funmannice green delta for nano2g !
06:17:31BlastTyrantfunman: r25229 works for me
06:18:08funmannice, sorry for the trouble :)
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06:30:04funmanstrangely synopsys distribute their usb driver with very permissive license
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06:41:18kkurbjunIs the wiki broken? I cannot edit any pages..
06:41:52kkurbjunI double checked that I have not been removed from the wikiusers group..
06:45:13funmansaratoga mentioned something about usergroups i think
06:47:28kkurbjunahh, I see that
06:47:31kkurbjunthanks
06:47:38kkurbjunI just looked at the logs
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06:55:32funmanimo "normal" edit is quite unusable, i always use raw edit
06:56:40kkurbjunyeah, agreed, I prefer the basic text editor rather than wysiwyg
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07:28:05*funman can set some bits in the fuze usb registers
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07:29:33funmangevaerts: we don't use USB On-The-Go in rockbox, right?
07:31:46JdGordonno
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09:01:54ArmandiuxGShey, whats happend with the current build package of iPod Nano 2G?
09:02:04ArmandiuxGSis incomplete?
09:04:24funmanArmandiuxGS: missing files? that might explain the green delta
09:05:05linuxstbIt looks like an Ondio build...
09:06:03linuxstbArmandiuxGS: Just use the "daily build" instead - that what have been built around the same time.
09:07:11ArmandiuxGSthere isnt the "rockbox.ipod" file, and there is a "ajbrec.ajz" file
09:07:26ArmandiuxGSarchos jukebox?
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09:10:56AlexPArmandiuxGS: See what linuxstb just said
09:13:07ArmandiuxGSis the "daily build", 'r25230'
09:15:56ArmandiuxGSbut, forgetit, thank you funman, linuxstb and AlexP... I will use the archived build of Rockbox Utility (r25228)
09:16:08ArmandiuxGSfor now
09:16:18ArmandiuxGSI will wait a good build...
09:16:20ArmandiuxGSbut
09:16:21AlexPArmandiuxGS: That is the most recent daily build (r25228)
09:16:24AlexPhttp://download.rockbox.org/daily/ipodnano2g/rockbox-ipodnano2g.zip
09:16:44ArmandiuxGSdaily = archived?
09:16:53AlexPyes
09:16:57ArmandiuxGS:S
09:17:14AlexPdaily builds are just the current build at a specific time each day
09:17:15ArmandiuxGSand the current is the r25230, no?
09:17:25AlexPThe current build is rebuilt on every source code change
09:17:37AlexPyes
09:17:47ArmandiuxGSok
09:17:49ArmandiuxGS^^
09:18:26ArmandiuxGSbut, why is there a "ajbrec.ajz" file in the current build of iPod Nano 2G?
09:18:41AlexPI imagine because a build client is screwed up
09:18:49ArmandiuxGSlol
09:18:50ArmandiuxGSok
09:18:56ArmandiuxGSthankyuo everybody!
09:19:15ArmandiuxGSgood work
09:19:41AlexPOr it was copied to the wrong place when the server got it back
09:19:45AlexPSomething like that
09:19:59AlexPI guess Zagor or Bagder need to have a shufti :)
09:20:40ArmandiuxGSis for an Archos Jukebox Recorder, no?
09:21:09AlexPNo, an Archos Ondio
09:21:18ArmandiuxGSok
09:21:21ArmandiuxGS:)
09:21:25AlexPsee rockbox-info.txt in the .rockbox directory
09:21:34ArmandiuxGSthank you so much
09:21:35ArmandiuxGSok
09:21:41ArmandiuxGSsee you later
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09:21:48AlexPno worries, sorry for the mess up :)
09:21:55ArmandiuxGS^^
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09:29:03*amiconn is scared by those large, arbitrary binsize fluctiuations
09:29:29amiconnZagor: Are the builds actually broken, or is it a glitch in the binsize scripts?
09:29:36pixelmalooking at this mornings log, it might be a different build
09:29:48linuxstbIt is, it's an Ondio build
09:29:50*pixelma adds an '
09:30:21Zagorthat's pretty weird
09:30:40linuxstbAlthough the log shows a nano2g build was made - http://build.rockbox.org/shownewlog.cgi?rev=25230;type=ipodnano2g
09:32:14*linuxstb is shocked at the difference in binsize between an ondio and a Nano though...
09:33:29pixelmaan OndioSP or FM?
09:33:50pixelmaI guess the screen makes a big difference and hwcodec vs swcodec
09:33:51linuxstbSP I think
09:34:49pixelmaand Rockbox USB
09:37:29JdGordonnano is colour swcodec, ondio is mono hwcodec... why would the binsizes be expected to be close?
09:37:38JdGordonalso 2MB vs >16MB RAM
09:37:39amiconnAlso arm code isn't very space efficient
09:38:18Zagorlinuxstb: where do you see that it was an ondio build?
09:38:51pixelmathe log tells me by looking into the downloadable zip
09:39:20pixelmaand its rockbox-info.txt
09:39:31linuxstbYes, the zip file is an ondio build - as pixelma said...
09:39:32Zagorwhich log? the downloadable zip is now overwritten by the proper ipod build
09:39:53Zagorthe zip contains .rockbox/rockbox.ipod
09:40:07linuxstbThe zip I downloaded of 25230 was an ondio build, but called rockbox-ipodnano2g.zip
09:40:21Zagorah, you grabbed it before. ok.
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09:41:55pixelmaZagor: #rockbox log
09:42:23pixelmasomeone was here who couldn't update his Nano 2nd gen
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09:44:29Zagorthe buildmaster log doesn't show anything unusual. I wonder what's causing this. possibly it's the same bug that causes the "missing log file" blocks.
09:44:55funman*PANIC* USB interrupt ! \o/
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09:51:25wodzhello, where is code to animate usblogo? The icon is in apps/bitmaps/native/usblogo.* and where it is used? greping for usblogo string gives no hit
09:52:31wodzand second question - what do functions lcd_blit_grey_phase() and lcd_blit_mono() ?
09:53:29linuxstbapps/gui/usb_screen.c contains "usblogo"
09:53:39wodzhmm
09:54:03funmanwodz: these function draw greyscale images on monochrome screens
09:54:19wodzlinuxstb: in did
09:54:44wodzfunman: so why this is needed on 2bit display target?
09:55:17linuxstbTo provide more than 4 levels
09:55:36linuxstbBut it's only available in plugins, using the greyscale lib.
09:56:01wodzyes, but it is compiled anyway even with make bin
09:56:23linuxstbThose are driver-level functions. They are only used in plugins though.
09:56:26funmanmake bin compiles all the plugin library (functions used by plugins)
09:56:41wodzis there any documentation how this functions work?
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10:00:51wodz:-(
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11:56:01Unhelpfulfunman: i don't think you should ever be using lcd_blit_grey_phase directly anyway - just use the lcd_ functions in greylib, there are versions of most of the more familiar functions there
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12:30:19fred_99hi
12:32:21fred_99I compiled rockboxui on my laptop and can you tell me where I can put theme modified .... under simdisk/.rockbox ?
12:34:32funmanyes
12:34:47fred_99thanks
12:36:20fred_99funman: I already have a battery_bench file and the second with back-light is coming soon, can you tell me how to post it ?
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12:52:53pamaurywow, the FAT code is really lazy concerning long entries, it basically doesn't check anything.
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13:08:49TheSevenpamaury: ah, you're trying to kill those sector buffers?
13:09:05pamauryyes
13:10:22pamauryAt the time, I think the fat code should check much more things about long name entries but it also break compatibility if some OSes have broken fat drivers
13:11:36pamauryMy code will use one sector (SECTOR_SIZE) + a long name buffer (255*2)
13:12:08pamauryI don't know if it can be done with less. It saw in your discussion that you were talking about 512 sector buffer instead of sECTOr_SIZE
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13:13:46kugelfunman: what are we clocking the v2s at?
13:13:55AlexPI appreciate the manual being updated in r25236, but I'd have quite liked it to be run past someone with English as a first language first
13:13:58kugelI cannot seem to get the dbop to work
13:15:21kugeluchida probably shouldn't update the manual himself :\
13:15:31rajendrauIn rockbox simulator I am able to set up an image as backdrop. The same is not working in sansa e260v2 player
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13:27:15funmankugel: dunno
13:27:36funmansee the forum thread where i discuss with FlynDice (a bit afk atm, sorry)
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13:57:44pamauryhehe, time to check my new fat code, it will be probably be a miserable failure :) Only 3 minutes left before going back to work
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14:00:19pamauryomg, even worse than expected :)
14:04:02*amiconn thinks that a single longname buffer won't work
14:04:21pamauryone per fat_dir
14:04:29pamaurythe same for the sector cache
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14:04:47pamauryI don't see a reason for this to fail
14:04:58pamauryJust a matter of programming it without bugs :ā)
14:06:56pamauryamiconn: could you explain why you think so ?
14:08:16amiconnWhat if more than one thread is accessing the disk at the same time?
14:08:38amiconnOne per fat_dir should work. A global one won't
14:09:09pamaurya global won't work, of course, I agree in this point
14:09:15pamaury*with
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14:15:43pamauryoops, what a stupid bug, I was reading the same entry over and over :)
14:16:39pamauryhehe, it works
14:16:47pamauryat least it seems :)
14:19:46fred_99can you tell me how to simulate a reboot on the rockboxui ?
14:20:12pamauryfred_99: I think you have to quit it and relaunch it
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14:20:27fred_99ok for the database ?
14:20:40fred_99pamaury: ok thanks
14:22:00TheSevenpamaury: i was also saying that you need that 510-byte buffer plus a sector, per dir. the sector buffer could be removed from the directory struct if we would implement a global sector cache
14:22:27fred_99and also what is the select key ..... 5 is written but doesn't seem to work ?
14:23:22pamauryTheSeven: I'm about to put a patch on flyspray, so keep an eye open and have a look at it. currently I'm using one sector per dir plus one 255*2 byte buffer (per dir also)
14:25:10fred_99sorry for this question
14:26:58pamauryTheSeven, amiconn: FS #11118 for fat driver
14:27:06*pamaury goes back to work now :)
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14:42:10linuxguy3is there a size limit on sd cards i can use with rockbox in a sansa e260?
14:42:39fred_99I try to do a database init on my rockboxui , I go on database, then chose select at buid question, then it says reboot, I quit rockboxui, then launch it again and seg fault, then launch again and there is no database.
14:42:48fred_99anybody have a clue ?
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14:46:01evilnick_Blinuxguy3: No, Rockbox supports SDHC which the Sansa OF does not. So you can use them in Rockbox but not the OF
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14:49:18linuxguy3so any sdhc card should work in rockbox then
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14:53:30evilnick_Blinuxguy3: Yep
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14:57:07fred_99the uisimulator web page says "esc,a" for off. but I can't make it work. any idea ?
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15:58:44fred_99I have two battery_bench files to submit for the X5 (not L) ..... can anybody tell me how to do ?
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16:10:36evilnick_Bfred_99: Do you have access to the Wiki?
16:12:24fred_99evilnick_B: yes ..... but I didn't found how to do .... I registered .... but if you can give me the good link
16:13:12evilnick_Bfred_99: What's your Wiki name? I'll add you to the group so that you can attach the benchmarks
16:13:54fred_99FredericCambray
16:14:44fred_99evilnick_B: thanks
16:16:03evilnick_Bfred_99: You should be able to edit now, let me know if not
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16:17:03fred_99evilnick_B: I try and tell you
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16:26:57n1sfred_99: if you didn't solve your sim problem, trigger a disk access, by for example playing a music file before shutting down after initing the database
16:27:39fred_99nls: thanks I'm going to try
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16:29:21fred_99evilnick_B: I tried to upload to files but I'm not sure anything happens
16:29:58fred_99 evilnick_B: I guess I could see my two battery_bench files on the web page
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16:30:51evilnick_Bfred_99: I can see one of them on http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IAudioRuntime but could you add the results to the table (like the other examples)?
16:31:15fred_99evilnick_B: I have to edit ?
16:31:29fred_99evilnick_B: sorry not used to
16:32:01evilnick_Bfred_99: No worries :) Yes, it'd be best to Edit and add your results to the table, it should be pretty self-explanatory
16:32:42fred_99evilnick_B: I try
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16:47:57Strife89If I can dig up some helpful documentation on Palm OS 5, is it possible to put "Palm OS" on the list of "Rockbox as an Application" targets?
16:48:24fred_99evilnick_B: last thing is how to attach my file in the table
16:49:22Strife89For the Google Summer of Code, I mean.
16:49:26gevaertsStrife89: you know it's an *ideas* page, right? People can propose other things or variations
16:49:35evilnick_Bfred_99: That's beyond my knowledge, sorry
16:49:46Strife89gevaerts: "Don't add a project here without discussing it with the Rockbox developers first."
16:50:28gevaertsuhm, yes, and?
16:50:50Strife89So I figured asking was in order. :)
16:50:56gevaertsI mean, sure, it needs some discussion before being added on the page
16:51:12B4gderI would actively discourage a student suggesting raaa for palm os...
16:51:20gevaerts"The student is free to choose any such device to port Rockbox to, but the following are potential targets"
16:51:33Strife89B4gder: Why so?
16:51:45B4gderbecause its an outdated target already
16:52:09Strife89That hasn't stopped Rockbox from being ported to other targets.
16:52:21B4gderand didn't say I would stop it
16:52:35evilnick_BStrife89: Yes, but that's usually because the devs with that hardware are prepared to put in the work.
16:53:32Strife89Good point. ...
16:54:31gevaertsgcc 2.95.3?
16:55:23evilnick_BAs an idea for the future of RB, which should attract new devs, it doesn't make sense to suggest an older target/platform imho
16:55:50Strife89evilnick_B: By no means do I *expect* anyone to do it. I'm just really hopeful that I can stir up the possibility.
16:56:27*evilnick_B wishes Strife89 the very best of luck
16:57:04gevaertsStrife89: the most recent compiler for palmos seems to be older than SWCODEC
16:57:33Strife89gevaerts: Damn, I hadn't noticed.
16:57:48*n1s would like to see raaa for a desktop OS
16:58:55n1swell, one i use :)
16:59:36pixelmaearlier today I had the idea of extending the "theme editor/integration into RbUtil" with a "database query editor". Worth a thought?
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17:00:20pixelmanot sure how feasable that is though and who would know enough about database queries to help out there
17:00:41evilnick_Bpixelma: I like that idea a lot
17:01:03evilnick_BBut perhaps rbutil would be a better place for that feature idea?
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17:02:02evilnick_BActually, why not have database queries downloadable on the theme site, and use rbutil to add them onto the player?
17:03:03pixelmamaybe it could be both standalone and possible to use through RbUtil (but that's what I understood about the theme editor idea too, I admit that I only skimmed the gsoc page today in the morning)
17:03:57pixelmadownloadable custom tagnavi files could be another idea
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17:04:17*Strife89 has not come up with any ideas, except .....
17:04:37Strife89Nevermind. Probably a stupid idea.
17:05:36evilnick_Bpixelma: custom tagnavi files were what I meant (didn't remember the right phrase)
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17:06:23Strife89Ah, what the hell. Seperate font for the database browser, and album art beside album titles.
17:06:41Strife89Relatively simple, somewhat stupid.
17:07:21*pixelma is reminded of another RbUtil feature idea and another theme site idea that are still waiting to be put into the forum thread(s) :\\
17:07:26evilnick_BCan you explain "album art beside album titles"?
17:07:59pixelmaalongside in the (database) browser maybe?
17:08:05Strife89evilnick_B: In the Database browser, put a thumbnail of matching Album Art beside the matching album title.
17:09:44evilnick_BSounds very nice, but maybe going from the Database browser −−> Pictureflow would be even better
17:10:30Strife89Another small, probably bad idea: smooth scrolling in long lists.
17:10:55Strife89That accelerates as need be.
17:11:31n1slist scrolling already accelerates...
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17:12:16Strife89n1s: I mean so that the smooth scrolling keeps up with the cursor.
17:12:29ballWhat character set can I use for song titles? Just ASCII?
17:12:47Strife89Some implementations of the effect allow some lagging behind.
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17:13:09n1sball: where?
17:13:36balln1s: I use Rockbox on a 1st gen iPod Touch
17:13:39evilnick_Bball: Check out: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/CommonCodepageProblems
17:13:40balls/Touch/Mini/
17:14:08n1sball: yes but do you mean in tags or filenames or something else?
17:14:23evilnick_Bball: Also: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/UnicodeGuide
17:15:01balln1s: In tags. I keep my filenames to ASCII
17:15:56n1sball: then that depends on the tag format you use in your files, if they are mp3 do see the codepage page evilnick_B kindly linked
17:16:20n1s(since id3 lacks a native codepage you need to tell rockbox what you use)
17:16:40ballWhat about in Ogg/Vorbis?
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17:17:01n1svorbis tags are always unicode
17:17:11n1sor should be at least
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17:17:25balln1s: UTF-8?
17:17:57n1si don't remember which unicode
17:18:30n1sbut i don't remember any user having problems with vorbis tags' encoding
17:19:32balln1s: I just need to figure out how to type it now (an n with a ~ over it.)
17:22:05n1sit is utf-8 btw
17:22:20n1swhich rockbox uses internally
17:22:54ballnn1thanks
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17:28:19fred_99nls: I tried to force a disk access like you said but it does the same
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17:36:04checkerif i want to put all my album art in the folder "/.rockbox/albumart", i name the files like "rush-signals", but how do i do multi word artists/ablums?
17:37:16checker"van_halen-diver_down", maybe "vanhalen-diverdown"?
17:37:41n1sfred_99: ah, maybe you need to make it save the settings or something, i thought a disk access should do it
17:37:52n1sit is possible though
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17:39:53fred_99nls: the question is how
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17:42:13mc2739fred_99: maybe settings -> manage settings -> save .cfg file
17:42:59fred_99nls: I tried to put the existing database files I have on my X5 but it still wants to initialyse the base, find music during init, then I end appli, then seg fault, then same point
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17:43:23fred_99mc2739: i'm going to have a look
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17:45:07fred_99mc2739: it doesn't work
17:46:37pixelmamaybe building the database itselfs fails (on a specific file)?
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17:47:20fred_99pixelma: the thing is it wored on my X5
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17:49:32leavittxHey there! Anybody knows if cowon d2 has usb host?
17:52:06fred_99pixelma: is it possible to simulate the shutdown ?
17:53:49fred_99pixelma: on my X5 I have to hold a button, but on the simul key tab I can't see how to hold this button, only quik press ..... I don't kow if I'm clear
17:54:09mc2739fred_99: There is a patch on the tracker for that (FS #11054), but I do not know the status of it.
17:54:30fred_99mc2739: the database ?
17:54:46mc2739no, the shutdown
17:54:55fred_99ah, tks
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18:03:46fred_99yesterday I was talking about my battery time left problems, and Tome asked me to put two battery_bench files, but now I can compil, perhaps I can change some things in the firmware/export/config/iaudiox5.h file but I don't really see what, can somebody help me ?
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18:27:27ichthysis it usual for an ipod nano 1g to switch back to the apple firmware/"Do not remove" screen when plugged in via usb?
18:27:44ichthysI'm trying to get the usb controller thing to work, nothing seems to work
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18:27:56ichthys*not nothing, just no controls
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18:29:30Torneichthys: Release builds of Rockbox on the ipods don't use our USB implementation
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18:29:49TorneIt's disabled for releases because of concerns about disk performance and batteries not charging properly.
18:30:10Torneichthys: If you want to use the rockbox usb mode, which includes the input controls, you need to use a current build
18:30:26ichthysok. thanks for the info Torne
18:30:27Tornebut be aware that battery charging may work slowly or not at all, and disk performance may not be as good
18:30:40Torne(Not sure for which specific models those are true)
18:31:19ichthyskind of odd that these features are in the manual and the menu :/
18:31:32ichthysI'll try a current build. thanks again
18:32:08TorneThey are not in the release manual
18:32:15TorneWhere does it appear in the menus?
18:32:59Tornethe manual at http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml is built daily for the current build; the release's accompanying manual is here: http://www.rockbox.org/download/byhand.cgi
18:33:24ichthysah I didn't see that http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml was for daily builds
18:33:39Tornewhere doe sit appear int he menus, though?
18:34:05ichthyssettings -> general settings -> system -> USB keypad mode
18:34:15ichthysUSB HID is also there
18:35:13TorneHm, that's probably a bug
18:36:29fred_99mc2739: the patch worked well, I'm now able to shutdown the simulator, but it doesn't change my database problem
18:36:58Torneanyone: why isn't USB_ENABLE_HID dependent on USE_ROCKBOX_USB ? :)
18:37:13TorneOh, wait
18:37:23Torneichthys: Actually, I think it is possible to send the keys somehow
18:37:27Tornejust not easily ;)
18:37:49ichthyshaha, what are you thinking?
18:37:51Torneichthys: If you plug in the cable while holding select it will stay in rockbox, and it's possible to send HID keys I think, but only via plugins/debug menu
18:38:01TorneSo yeah, it is still a HID device technically
18:38:36Torneit just happens that when you're using hte rockbox mass storage mode, we interpret the buttons as being requests to send HID keys
18:38:45Torneand when the rockbox mass storage code is disabled that obviously doesn't happen ;)
18:38:54ichthysselect from power off?
18:38:58ichthysor while in rb
18:38:59TorneNo
18:39:04Tornesee the manual :)
18:39:18ichthys:P
18:39:38Torneanyway, yes. if you hold select when rockbox is running, and then insert the cable
18:39:50Tornethat will stay in rockbox, it's the charging-only mode.
18:39:55Torne(not that it charges properly)
18:40:42Torneanyway. this is not very helpful to you really. if you want to use it as a remote for the pc, use a current build.
18:40:56Tornebut be prepared for charging to be a lot slower unless you boot the OF to charge.
18:41:11ichthysI usually just listen in my car so that's not really a prob
18:43:04Tornesure, i'm just warning you
18:43:17Tornei'm working on fixing it ;)
18:44:33ichthysactually, it's menu, not select ;)
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18:44:43ichthysThe player can be charged over USB without connecting to your computer by holding Menu while plugging in. This allows you to continue using the player normally.
18:44:48Torneer
18:44:49Torneyes
18:44:50Tornesorry :)
18:44:53ichthys:)
18:45:06ichthyshmmm there is no mouse option in the plugin/remote_control
18:45:13Tornei have several players, and i answer support questions for a lot more :)
18:45:19TorneMouse is only on touchscreen targets, iirc
18:45:46ichthysnah, it was in the build manual
18:45:49TorneOh, no, it should be there
18:45:50ichthysdirection for move mouse
18:45:55Tornethe plugin might not suppor tit, though
18:46:01Tornethe plugin is a seperate thing
18:46:01ichthysthe plugin works differently than the usb mode
18:46:16ichthysyou have to select menu options instead of directly controlling with the device
18:46:35Torneyeah.
18:46:40TorneWell, you can modify the plugin, if you like
18:46:43Torne:)
18:47:15ichthys:) perhaps
18:47:16TorneBasically rockbox has an interface to send any HID code you want. The USB screen on the current builds sends one of several sets, as documented in the manual. The remote_control plugin also sends one of several sets, but its code is unrelated
18:47:33TorneAny plugin can send any HID code based on anything, on the players that support HID
18:50:27pixelmabluebroth3r: in all talk or voice clips I made on the Mac there is an audible click in the beginning. I'm not sure if it has to do with the TTS or with wavtrim but I haven't heard it in voice files made with SAPI and commandline. It possibly explains file size differences too
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19:00:02Darkknight512Hey torn
19:00:06Darkknight512e
19:00:40TorneDarkknight512: do you have a question for me?
19:00:56Darkknight512Torne: You were mentioning something about Ncurses in RB?
19:01:39Darkknight512Torne: I was wondering what would that allow people to do in the plugins
19:02:04TorneIt would let people port stuff that uses ncurses more easily
19:02:34Torneand would let people write programs with character cell style displays more easily, i guess. though i am not convinced ncurses is the best API for that
19:02:57TorneI implemented the major part of this already for frotz: the output system for frotz implements a buffered text terminal
19:03:06Torne(in a weird and z-machine specific way)
19:03:17Darkknight512so how much work would be needed to get that fully working?
19:03:52TorneTo actually reproduce a significant portion of the ncurses API, a lot
19:04:12Darkknight512im just starting to learn C, and I have only done a bit of C++
19:04:16TorneI could split out the terminal implementation from frotz into pluginlib, but it wouldn't be very powerful as it is.
19:04:34TorneIf you don't already know how to program with ncurses then you probably aren't going to find it easier
19:04:37Torneit's not a very intuitive system
19:04:47Darkknight512is making selection menus in plugin lib right now possible?
19:04:52Darkknight512as in in game?
19:05:02Torneand a large portion of it exists to abstract between different terminal types, rather than to actually provide functionality for the application using it
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19:05:14TorneWhat do you mean?
19:05:23Tornealso, pluginlib is a specific library of extra code that's shared between plugins
19:05:31Torneit's not the plugin interface
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19:05:54Darkknight512So lets say I were to make a combat system for an RPG, i would like to make menus in game that allowed the player to attack, use majic, items and whatever
19:06:21Darkknight512I would want scrollable menus like in FF or something
19:07:28TorneTher'es nothing to help you do that, no
19:07:35Tornebut you can just draw that on the screen, no?
19:08:00Tornecurses is for things which are based entirely on text, where everything fits exactly into a fixed size grid where each cell contains one character.
19:08:01Darkknight512i dont know, I havent written anything in rockbox yet
19:08:11TorneWell, amazingly you can draw anything you like on the screen
19:08:21TorneSince we can, yaknow, run doom.
19:08:24Torneor other games :)
19:08:51TorneThe screen is just a bitmap, more or less. You can write to the pixels directly, or you can call our drawing functions to produce text/shapes/etc
19:08:57TorneOr you can load bitmap images onto it.
19:09:04TorneSame as any other graphical UI on anything..
19:09:45Darkknight512where can i find the documentaion on writing plugins?
19:09:57Darkknight512i found the "howtowriteplugins" but thats just basic stuff
19:10:03TorneYes.
19:10:14TorneThere are a few wiki pages explaining certain things, and that's about it
19:10:25TorneIf you want to learn more, read the code for existing plugins.
19:10:52Darkknight512ok then, i guess my first step would be learning C? lol
19:11:16Darkknight512got any good tutorials? I already know a bit of Cpp
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19:12:04ichthys:) perhaps
19:12:13fred_99for my database problem, I copied my .rockbox X5 directory under simdisk and it works nice.
19:12:14ichthysoop.s disregard that
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19:15:04Darkknight512so no one knows of a good place to learn C from?
19:15:47ichthysI think I f'd something up Torne, menu items are showing the wrong text
19:16:17ichthystrying to get it back in usb mass mode. does the current build support that?
19:19:16ichthysI booted to the apple firmware and I'm getting a mount error "can't read superblocok"
19:19:19ichthys*block
19:19:55saratogawow someone ported our APE decoder to android already: http://andless.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/jni/ape/
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19:21:54kugelsaratoga: cool!
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19:22:40kugelthe fact that demac was always buildable as stand-alone program probably helped
19:22:46Darkknight512TheSeven: you still need me to test that stuff from 2 days ago?
19:23:05*kugel finds ranmachan's patches strange
19:23:42saratogahe uses our libflac too
19:23:54saratogai will email him
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19:26:09kugel"My special thanks to the Rockbox team (http://www.rockbox.org) whose excellent code was most extensively used. In my opinion, it's the best code ever written for mobile devices. " :)
19:27:46Darkknight512^Could not have said it better myself, this ipod would be in a dust drawer without RB
19:28:13TorneDarkknight512: If you know C++ then you already know C :)
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19:28:40Darkknight512What exacly is the difference, just the Object oriented stuff?
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19:30:20kugelapart from a few subtile differences, C is a mostly a subset of C++. And yes, C++ mostly adds the support for OOP
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19:30:36Darkknight512ahh ok
19:30:36TorneObjects, templates, and lots of very minor things you won't care about
19:30:55Darkknight512anyone know why HDtune detects my 4gb ipod nano as a 1gb drive, with 100% errors?
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19:32:03saratogaits buggy would be my guess
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19:32:31ranmachankugel: What's strange?
19:35:51Darkknight512yay, pagenumbers, bookmarks and status bar in text viewer, I can finally read with ease
19:35:57kugelthat switch() with the duff's device trick (something that should never be used in real code IMO), the sw_pwm function that calls the scrollwheel one that calls the tick tasks, and more
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19:38:07pamauryif some of you have free time and an available device, I encourage you to test and/or review "FS #11118 - Reduce the number of cached sector in the fat driver ".
19:38:59ranmachankugel: The switch is not strictly needed, if you think it's too confusing I'll remove it.
19:39:24ranmachanIt's just that way I can do it without code duplication.
19:40:01ranmachanI'll grant you that it's a microoptimization that's probably unnecessary.
19:40:31ranmachanI wouldn't have done it that way if it wasn't an interrupt handler.
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19:41:22kugelranmachan: rockbox already has the framework for software pwm, btw
19:41:53kugelit may require a separate timer for that though
19:45:15ranmachankugel: Do you have a pointer? find -name "*pwm*" doesn't show anything
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19:49:51fred_99saratoga: hello, I putted two battery_bech file today as asked yesterday but anyway you suggested to me to do what funman said to me "change things in iaudiox5.h" ..... the problem is I don't really see what to change. I compared with some other device .h and I don't really see what to add. Changes are to be made in iaudiox5.h or also in powermgmt.h ?
19:49:57kugelstupid timer limitation, I was already unhappy with reusing the tick timer for the scrollwheel, and now this :(
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19:50:36saratogafred_99: I suggested you skip battery benching your device and just add a current normal define that gave you whatever battery life you wanted
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19:51:45kugelranmachan: IMO, unless you write a generic driver that can be used by other (non-samsa) targets, the #define shouldn't be in the <target>.h file. that's usually for optional stuff that works on more on a single (or related range of) target(s)
19:52:04fred_99saratoga: yes, but I did the bench ..... but I don't really see what to change with those values
19:52:23kugelit looks like it would almost qualify as c200v3 if it wasn't using the as3525 as well :)
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19:53:12fred_99saratoga: thanks anyway, I have to go, I will see that tomorrow ...... bye
19:53:14ranmachankugel: Yeah, but the user can't readily tell it apart from what's on the case.
19:53:15saratogafred_99: just add a CURRENT_NORMAL define with some number of ma that divides by your battery mah to give the number of h you want
19:53:33ranmachanOF reads bootstrap value on A7 to find out which type it is apparently
19:53:42fred_99saratoga: thanks I will try
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19:54:36fred_99saratoga: last question .... if it works like this, why do I had to submit a long battery_bench file ?
19:55:10scorcheis everyone fine with me saying on the mailing list that if no one steps forward and offers to host a DevCon somewhere else, then we will just have it in Ghent again?
19:55:24scorchesteps forward by monday, that is
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19:55:39Bagderscorche: I think that's what it looks like
19:55:45kugeldoes petur volunteer again? IMO ghent would be fine
19:55:50gevaertsscorche: sounds reasonable
19:55:57Bagderkugel: he did on the list, yes
19:56:14kugelhrm, why did I miss that mail?
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19:56:40gevaertsI'll still see if I can host it, so we'd have a nearby backup location.
19:56:53*kugel would have liked london, but well :)
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20:06:30ranmachanI think I could use the two timers to write a more general timer mechanism by using one as a free running wall clock and the other in one-shot mode if you'd like that :)
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20:14:48pamaurywow, I just found a super funny bug: go into debug menu, into view stacks, place the line of dircache (for alignement reason) and plug usb: you've got the dircache line still display ! Can anyone check that ?
20:16:04pixelmadoes this line scroll?
20:16:20pamauryyes
20:16:52pamauryWhat is funny is that it scrolls when ubs is plugged but not when under the debug menu !
20:17:45pamaurypixelma: known bug ?
20:18:58pixelmaI think you'll get the effect with every line that needs to scroll, seen similar bugs in other screens before. I thought it was once fixed in the USB screen but maybe it came back or wasn't, should be fixable by someone who knows the drawing code
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20:40:31wodzhello, I am getting such error : http://pastebin.com/S9jG5mPH. Where is the problem?
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20:43:48saratogathe linker seems badly confused about IRAM
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20:44:15r0b-saratoga hi
20:44:29wodzsaratoga: is this the problem with app.lds?
20:44:52saratogamaybe, depends what you were editing
20:46:50wodzis there a way to get more verbose error?
20:47:04evilnick_BWho's currently working on the manual? I'd like to help out, but don't want to tread on any toes
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20:49:09kugelevilnick_B: the chances that this happens are quite low, I assume :)
20:52:48r0b-does mpegplayer still only support mpeg-1?
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20:53:07gevaertshas it ever only supported mpeg-1?
20:53:11r0b-err mpeg1-2
20:53:56Hillshumyup
20:54:04r0b-heh i really should take the time to learn rockbox coding
20:54:18r0b-id attempt to make an mpeg4 decoder
20:55:39kugelfor gsoc?
20:58:23r0b-?
20:58:50r0b-nah
20:58:54evilnick_BGoogle Summer Of Code: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SummerOfCode2010
20:59:01r0b-:|
20:59:09r0b-im no good with c
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21:00:45r0b-ill suggest it
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21:02:47pixelmaevilnick_B: I don't think you'll be stepping on someone's toes, manual work seems to exhaust people a bit and we need fresh blood ;) I have two cleanup things I'd like to commit in the next days (the file type table in the viewer plugins section and some code cleanup in the goban button table)
21:02:59kugelr0b-: it's already suggested, I think
21:04:30evilnick_Bpixelma: I've looked at the Wiki pages that refer to the manual, but they seem kinda out of date. Is there anything else that I should read first? Or should I jump straight in?
21:05:19pixelmawhich pages?
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21:06:57evilnick_Bhttp://www.rockbox.org/wiki/ManualTodo http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/ManualFixmes
21:08:44pixelmabut I think you could jump right in and maybe ask for comments here if you have somethin. I only like to point to the button table suggestion at the end of ManualGuidelinesTalk which was agreed on by AlexP and bluebrother (I thin). ManualGuidelines gives a bit of an overview about conventions and how some things work
21:09:07pixelmaI think the two pages you mentioned are really a bit outdated
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21:25:21AlexPevilnick_B: Go for it :)
21:25:42AlexPevilnick_B: Fixing the English of this afternoons commit so that it is proper English would be a good start :)
21:25:59evilnick_BAlexP: Seriously, that's what made me decide to throw my hat into the ring :)
21:27:29AlexPAnd yeah, pixelma is right about it wearing you down a bit - I tend to go in waves
21:28:30evilnick_BMy only question so far, and I don't want to open a cam of worms but fear I might be, is why do we refer to iPods as Ipods?
21:28:37evilnick_Bs/cam/can/
21:28:40AlexPThere is a note on this somewhere
21:28:59AlexPSomething about us applying proper rules of grammar and ignoring silly manufacturers :)
21:29:21pixelmacapitalise (brand) names
21:29:59AlexPevilnick_B: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/LatexGuidelines#Names
21:30:17pixelmabut I have a feeling that you will find different way of spelling if you look through the complete code... :)
21:30:45AlexPYeah, the consistency isn't always that consistent :)
21:30:50gevaertsActually, those words should never appear :)
21:30:55AlexPComes of having multiple people writing things
21:30:56gevaertsWe have macros for them!
21:31:29AlexPyes, they should be used
21:31:35*evilnick_B strongly disagrees with that idea
21:31:38AlexPevilnick_B: Defined in the platform files
21:31:55AlexPI can't say I really care one way or the other
21:31:59pixelmathat's true, if the macro was used consistently then it'll be consistent in the end too
21:32:49evilnick_BI think that for someone coming to RB for the first time, it's jarring to see the way you're used to seeing the brand name used, not used.
21:32:51AlexPevilnick_B: Are you planning to look at this afternoons bit?
21:33:59gevaertsevilnick_B: the point is that the manual has "your \dap{}", and it comes out as "your ipod"
21:34:07gevaertss/manual/source/
21:34:22gevaertsoh, wait. I see what you mean...
21:34:56AlexPIf I had to choose I'd go for iPod too, but I'll happily go with the masses
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21:35:15gevaertsWe can have a discussion about it at DevCon
21:35:27evilnick_BI'd usually agree to do the correct English convention, but it strikes me as being quite arrogant to deliberately not use the name that most/all users would use themselves
21:36:27gevaertsevilnick_B: I guess this started with the irivers, where the company changed capitalisation about seven times, so in the end it was decided to ignore companies since they obviously don't know what they want
21:37:11evilnick_Bgevaerts: Yes, I think that I vaguely remember that discussion. But then, if all player names are macro-ised then renaming them will be straightforward too :)
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21:37:50gevaertsevilnick_B: yes, we can have a different name for every day :)
21:38:04*pixelma wouldn't use iPod
21:39:00AlexPevilnick_B: Do you want to have a go at todays thing, or shall I?
21:40:03evilnick_BAlexP: I'm still marshalling my forces before I get out the red pen, so feel free to do it yourself - I'm planning on starting this on the weekend
21:40:23AlexPk
21:40:23pixelmaevilnick_B: IIRC the origin of this convention lies in the fact that Iriver changed their own brand spelling and before disagreeing on which one to chose or before they change it again, it was decided to just go by this rule
21:41:10evilnick_Bpixelma: Yep, gevaerts just told me :)
21:41:28gevaertsevilnick_B: to be correct, I said that I *thought* that was the case :)
21:41:31pixelmatoo slow
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21:42:44evilnick_BLike I said, if/when all the model names are macrofied, then I (personally) think that brandnames that are recognised by the majority of the users should be used throughout the manual.
21:43:15gevaertsWe could go for a rule that if the manufacturer changed his mind at least once, they get the standard language rules
21:43:26AlexPgevaerts: I've asked uchida to put a description in the commit message before and he said OK
21:43:36AlexPSO I don't hold out much hope this time
21:43:57AlexPAnd this afternoon's was especially bad, with so many tasks all in one commit
21:44:28evilnick_Bgevaerts: I'm more thinking along the lines of that we should use what is the accepted term for the player. Though how this would be determined is beyond me!
21:45:06gevaertsevilnick_B: exactly. If it has changed a few times, there is no right way anymore
21:48:33amiconnpamaury: The debug menu doesn't pay particular attention to usb, or other external events.
21:48:49amiconnIt's debatable whether it should - it's a debug menu after all
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21:53:39pixelmaamiconn: I believe it's a USB screen bug though
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21:54:22pixelmaas I think I saw it too with just a slightly older build but didn't want to say something until I tested a recent one
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21:55:53pixelmaand not from the debug screen, just a scrolling line in the file browser
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21:58:55AlexPAnyone know what "Joins lines. Useful for adopting the orphans that occur with e{}-mail style (i.e. pre{}-wrapped) text files." is trying to say?
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22:01:37evilnick_BAlexP: Probably that it re-flows the lines so you don't get
22:01:38evilnick_Bsingle
22:01:44evilnick_Bwords on one line, sort of thing?
22:02:36AlexPOK, I'll go with "Join lines together" :)
22:03:16AlexP"Set the maximum column width to 114"
22:03:24AlexP114 what? ccharacters? pixels?
22:03:53evilnick_BWouldn't that depend on whether it's a monospace font or not?
22:04:00AlexPindeed
22:04:17AlexPThis biggest problem I'm having here is not understanding what is there at the moment
22:04:28AlexPIt must be pixels I guess
22:04:34AlexPbut seems a really odd option
22:04:48*evilnick_B suggests trying out these options on target
22:05:04AlexPEspecially as it is called wide, and narrow sets it to the screen width
22:05:21AlexPapparently
22:09:08pixelmaI could *somewhat* understand 112 as that's the bitmapped Archos' screen width
22:09:37pixelmaif it's pixels
22:11:12mtHow would open() return -12776 in fd ?
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22:47:36Luca_Suhm
22:47:54Luca_SI'm trying to compile SVN for the fuzev2, but it gives me a handful of errors
22:48:47kugellike?
22:49:01Luca_Sno FM I2C IOPIN defines
22:49:03kugelmain build or bootloader?
22:49:17Luca_Shm.. I selected normal in the configure script
22:49:37kugelwe haven't even a working bootloader, so don't even think of compiling the main build
22:50:28Luca_Sshould I simply run configure again to select boot loader build?
22:50:55kugelyea
22:51:04kugeldo a make clean before though
22:52:17Luca_Sundefined reference to button_hold / libgcc.a uses FPA instructions whereas bootloader.elf does not
22:52:27Luca_S(i'm using the vmware dev platform)
22:58:45CIA-5New commit by 03alex (r25238): Try to improve the English for the text viewer plugin. Only the English has been changed, the actual content still needs some work.
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23:18:03TheSevenerm, why does rockbox pause playing when I unplug usb!?
23:18:15TheSeven(I was in charging mode before)
23:18:44Darkknight512it dosent do that for me
23:19:33Darkknight512but then mine dosent say charging
23:20:12Strife89TheSeven: Is it *pausing* or *stopping*?
23:20:26TheSevenpausing, and even resuming when I re-plug it
23:20:38Strife89Because my build *stops* playback when I unplug from charging mode.
23:20:55Strife89Of course, it's an iPod Photo, and I'm using a patch.
23:21:15TheSeventhis *could* be some GPIO screwup with the headphone detection
23:21:35TheSevenbut I thought that this was working properly, and it actually also reacts on the headphones being unplugged
23:22:08*Strife89 compiles anew.
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