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#rockbox log for 2010-03-21

00:00:22amiconnAha, the limit for extended paths is 32K-1 chars, not 64K
00:01:11ender`approximately
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00:04:12pamaurydepends on the value of 32K :)
00:08:46sevardrockbox vs apple firmware
00:08:52sevardi wish i could have the best of both worlds
00:08:53sevardheh
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00:11:12soapthere's something apple firmware does better?
00:11:31Darkknight512yea, clicky sounmd
00:11:31soap(outside video on the 5G)
00:11:49Darkknight512by the peizo
00:12:46pamauryTorne, amiconn: I have a new patch for FAT code, see FS
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02:30:56sansaredclipperhello, everyone. trying to install rockbox for the very 1st time!!!
02:31:41 Quit ender` (Quit: The other day Windows told me I might be a victim of software counterfeiting. Funny, I always thought I was a beneficiary.)
02:31:44sansaredclipperi'm following the instructions for my v1 sansa clip here: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaAMS#Installation_for_Stable_e200v2_F
02:32:27sansaredclipperBut the original firmware I'm using 1.01.35 is not known to rockbox, maybe because this OF has just been released on march 15. what should i do?
02:32:47TorneUse a different one
02:32:57sansaredclippershould i use the most recent recognized Original Firmwar (1.01.32)?
02:33:05Torneit doesn't have to be the one currently on your player
02:33:14sansaredclippertorne, oh it doesn't?
02:33:21Torneno.
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02:33:41Tornemkamsboot creates a firmware update, using our code and whatever version of the sansa code you give it
02:34:10sansaredclipperi'm curious about what "./mkamsboot m300a.bin bootloader-clip.sansa patched.bin" does.
02:34:30sansaredclippertorne, but if mkamsboot doesn't use the March15 release, is it not as good?
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02:34:48Torneit makes no difference to rockbox which version you use
02:34:53Torneor what version you had installed before
02:34:58sansaredclippertorne, ok.
02:35:04Torneit only makes any difference if you boot the OF
02:35:06sansaredclipperi'll just get the 1.01.32.
02:35:24sansaredclippertorne, ok, i think i now understand
02:35:41sansaredclippertorne, do u work for RB?
02:35:43sansaredclipperrockbox?
02:35:55Tornenobody works for rockbox
02:35:59Tornebut I am a developer, yes
02:36:16sansaredclipperok. you're very helpful and knowledgeable with my "newbie" qusetions. thanks.
02:36:27Torneit's ok
02:36:39sansaredclipperdo you know when RB will support 1.01.35 March 15 release of Sansa Clip OF?
02:36:48sansaredclipper(it's not important.
02:36:50Tornewhen someone tests it and adds the hash of it to mkamsboot
02:36:57Tornei don't have a clipv1 so I can't ;)
02:37:02sansaredclippertorne, i do.
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02:37:08sansaredclippertorne, how do i test it?
02:37:15sansaredclipperjust use it normally?
02:37:16Torneyou risk bricking your player if it doesn't work.
02:37:23Torneso, you don't want to test it ;)
02:38:00sansaredclipperby "testing" do you mean not only playing with the 1.01.35 OF from Sansa, but doing a mkasmboot version of it?
02:38:34TorneYes. Please don't, unless you don't mind your player being bricked ;)
02:38:57Tornewithout soemone testing it, we don't know for certain that the patched firmware mkamsboot creates will actually work
02:39:01sansaredclippertorne, i do NOT want my player to be bricked
02:39:08Torneand if it doesn't, then there's no way to reflash the firmware.
02:39:12Tornesince it has to be bootbale to do that
02:39:22Tornethis is why mkamsboot only lets you use tested versions that we know work ;)
02:39:34sansaredclippertorne, ok I see .
02:39:45sansaredclipperi'll therefore use the "tested versions." thanks.
02:39:46Torneit *probably* does, but we prefer not to give that risk to users ;)
02:39:46sansaredclipper8-)
02:40:02sansaredclippertorne, thanks for shielding us from the risk.
02:40:53sansaredclipper[INFO] Patching succeeded!
02:40:55sansaredclipperyipee
02:40:56sansaredclipper!
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02:42:43sansaredclipperyes!!!1 i see RB on my Clip!!!! This is great!!!
02:42:56sansaredclipperis it true that RB uses more battery life than an audio player's OF?
02:43:11TorneOn most players, the battery life is better with rockbox
02:43:20Tornethe clipv1 is still a fairly new port, though
02:43:20sansaredclipperWow!!!!!!
02:43:25Torneso it's worse, i believe
02:43:28sansaredclipperoh no.
02:43:37sansaredclipperwell, um.... i have a iPod video 5.5 generation
02:43:38Torneit's an unstable port, it's not finished
02:43:46Torneipod video we should be at worst about the same as the OF
02:43:47sansaredclipperhow is battery life on iPod video 5.5 gen?
02:43:51Torneat best, maybe 4+ hours more
02:43:53Tornedepends on your settings
02:43:56sansaredclippergreat
02:44:10TorneMy ipod gets over 5 hours longer in rockbox but my settings are quite aggressive at power saving
02:44:26sansaredclippertorne, my settings on ipod are "conserve-mode". backlight on for 2-5 seconds.
02:44:32sansaredclipper.... no equalizer at all
02:44:44Torneequaliser probably makes no difference if you use normal codecs like mp3
02:44:46sansaredclipperno other special features turned on
02:44:53Tornethere is plenty of cpu to spare with those codecs
02:45:02Tornethe biggest thing after the backlight is whether you turnt he LCD off entirely
02:45:07Torne(which the OF doesn't)
02:45:27sansaredclippertorne, you're saying that "LCD-off" feature is only available on RB?
02:45:32sansaredclipper(on the iPod)?
02:45:34TorneYup
02:45:37sansaredclippergotcha
02:45:38Tornethe OF never turns the LCD off entirely
02:45:40Torneonlt the backlight
02:45:42sansaredclipperright
02:45:55sansaredclipperwell, how can you see the iPod if LCD is off entirely?
02:45:56Torneso, we get a fairly big saving there if users turn that setting on :)
02:46:03sansaredclipperdoesn't that mean you have to operate it "blind"?
02:46:06Torneit comes back on when the backlight comes back on..
02:46:11sansaredclipperoh i see.
02:46:22sansaredclipper8-)
02:46:23Torneit's just another timer
02:46:32Torneso after he backlight has been off for X seconds it also turns off the lcd itself
02:46:38sansaredclipperI gotta get my iPod from my car and install RB on it.
02:47:04sansaredclipperis iPod video Rockbox now SAFE ?
02:47:14sansaredclipper(compared to Sansa Clip Rockbox, i mean)
02:48:22Torneyes, see the front page: ipodvideo is a stable target
02:48:27Torneit's well supported and works fine
02:48:29saratogawell its been around for about 4 years longer
02:48:59sansaredclipperrockbox system info on my clip says "6h 47 m" battery life at 97%. Nice!!!!
02:50:06sansaredclipperi don't see my playlists on my clip. hmmmm.
02:50:15sansaredclippermaybe i still need to know how to use the Rockbox....
02:50:25sansaredclipperI'm currently listening to an mp3. no problem.
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02:52:52sansaredclipperwhere's the Pitch screen? (i want to increase playback speed)
02:53:09CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
02:53:09*Torne suggests you read the manual
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02:54:02sansaredclipper8-) will do sir.
02:54:04sansaredclipper8-)
02:54:10sansaredclipperfunny.... i just found "upside down" mode. ha ha
02:59:37RadicalRProgress on the clip+?
02:59:52sansaredclipperradicalr. installation is a SUCCESS. now reading manual.
03:00
03:00:02RadicalRImpressive!
03:00:15sansaredclippercoz i'm trying to do FAST playback speed of all my spoken-word audio. (this is the sole reason why i installed Rockbox)
03:00:37RadicalRImpressive!
03:00:40sansaredclipperMy audio players only have 1% music. 99% is spoken-word
03:00:46RadicalRFuze v2 here. :(
03:01:04sansaredclipperoh no. not supported yet by RB, is it?
03:01:26RadicalRThey are working on it.
03:01:36RadicalRBut far as I know, still on the bootloader.
03:02:20RadicalRI'm not too unhappy, since I picked up a m:robe 100 to have my rockbox.
03:02:22sansaredclipperhow much did you pay for your sansa fuze2?
03:02:29RadicalR60 bucks.
03:02:35sansaredclippermrobe... who made this?
03:02:52RadicalROlympus
03:03:05RadicalRThey only made two kinds
03:03:08RadicalR100 and 500i
03:03:15RadicalRI have the 100 here. 500i at work.
03:03:32sansaredclipperintersting... from a camera company...
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03:04:04RadicalRYep.
03:04:09RadicalRThey only released those two
03:04:12RadicalRand then halted the line.
03:04:20sansaredclipperhow do i reboot? manual doesn't say
03:04:39RadicalRHold the power button, I guess?
03:04:42saratogapower button
03:04:45RadicalRThat's how I do it on the old one.
03:04:51RadicalRThere we go :)
03:05:00saratogahttp://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-sansaclip/rockbox-buildch3.html#x5-270003.1.2
03:05:19RadicalRI like the m:robe 100 for the monochrome screen.
03:05:33RadicalRIt's not often you see a red screen on a mp3 player ;)
03:06:10saratogaif you want to chat you should probably go into rockbox-community
03:06:14bofh__oh! hey. saratoga, I was going to bug you about details on the google SoC tasks of either writing a fixed-point fast WMA9 codec for RB, or of optimizing existing algorithms, i.e. mp3/aac.
03:06:20bofh__RadicalR: moo.
03:06:29saratogabofh__: sure ask away
03:06:38RadicalRWhoa, bofh__
03:06:41RadicalRLong time no see.
03:07:30RadicalRsaratoga, sure. Sorry about that.
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03:10:48bofh__saratoga: so basically what the first of those two tasks boils down to is implementing a fixed-point WMA Pro codec using the one in the ffmpeg tree which is floating-point?
03:10:57saratogathats correct
03:11:20saratogaand i suppose making any changes to our asf parser to make that happen
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03:12:35saratogawhat codec or dsp experience do you have
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03:18:49saratogabofh__: ok anything else i'm about to get back to work for a while
03:19:06bofh__saratoga: codec experience goes as far as writing a (not very good) mp3 encoder/decoder, I'm fairly comfortable with most common audio codecs (given that most boil down to some combination of MDCT + psychoacoustics). on the dsp end uh fourier analysis, wavelet analysis, have taken a course in this as well as read up on my own. I'd be able to answer more specific questions better :P
03:19:19bofh__also sorry, you caught me at a bad time I'm in the middle of debugging something
03:19:23saratogaah ok that should be fine
03:19:42bofh__so perhaps if you have any further questions some other time would be better.
03:19:45saratogaporting a decoder usually just takes patience and a reasonable understanding of transforms
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03:19:50saratogaok
03:20:00bofh__oh
03:20:06bofh__one thing, just out of sheer curiosity.
03:20:13bofh__who the heck *uses* WMA?
03:20:14saratogasure
03:20:22saratogai don't know
03:20:29saratogamost people don't use most of our codecs
03:20:47bofh__figured. lol.
03:20:56saratogaSMAF or ATRAC in OMA come to mind as being worse off then wma
03:21:11bofh__yeah, ATRAC was the one that came to my mind at first.
03:21:17saratogaplease consider applying for one of the projects, though the WMA Pro has already had one very qualified student consider applying
03:21:33saratogaso maybe think about a second project in case we get two students applying
03:21:43bofh__okay, I actually think I might prefer the other project.
03:21:53saratogamp3 or AAC?
03:22:12bofh__I'm leaning AAC at the moment.
03:22:33saratogathat certainly has more room for improvement
03:22:39saratogathe current codec is an absolute mess
03:22:51saratogaand aac-he is unusable on most targets
03:23:21bofh__yes, 120mhz for 64kbit aac is...yeah.
03:23:48saratogaARM7TDMI has a lot of trouble with gcc generated DSP code in general
03:23:57saratogathe poor state of the code makes things a lot worse
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03:24:17ipodvideo5point5hello, folks.
03:24:27saratogareplacing some of the filterbanks with better code which is probably already in some combination of the mdct lib, atrac, mpc or mp3 would probably cut that number by a lot
03:24:34ipodvideo5point5i'm formerly sansaredclipper.
03:24:42ipodvideo5point5hello
03:24:53saratogathis is a logged channel if you have a question just ask it
03:25:20saratogai think the aac project probably isn't that hard but its aac and most people just don't care enough about it
03:25:30bofh__so in general ARM7TDMI code winds up being very unoptimized, and it just happened to hit faad the hardest, or is faad sucking something beyond that?
03:25:46ipodvideo5point5I am running Rockbox utility. it's asking what my audio player is. Mine is a iPod video 5.5 generation. But 5.5 is not in list in RB Utlitiy. Should I choose "5th gen"?
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03:26:37saratogafaad is already crap
03:26:53bofh__mp3 has less of a speedup if we assume that the official ARM codec is the fastest we can go, but the popularity of mp3 is much greater so yeah.
03:26:55Lloreanipodvideo5point5: Is auto-detect failing?
03:26:56saratogabut most other codecs have already been extensively rewritten for arm and cf
03:27:14ipodvideo5point5llorean, yes it is. do i have to something before pressing autodetect?
03:27:28ipodvideo5point5llorean, do i have to browse for the device in filesystem first?
03:27:28bofh__oh, side question, what devices use coldfire?
03:27:35LloreanMake sure the player is plugged in, and showing up as a drive letter, and rbutil is launched with admin privileges.
03:27:46ipodvideo5point5llorean, i'm running linux
03:27:49saratogayeah i'm not 100% sure how they came up with that 29MHz figure for arm7tmdi, but it would be nice to get mp3 faster
03:27:54ipodvideo5point5llorean, i don't know how to do as you say
03:28:07saratogaCF is the irivier h100 h300 and iaudio x/m 3/5
03:28:08ipodvideo5point5my ipod is showing up on my desktop, as expected
03:28:16LloreanIs rbutil running with admin privileges?
03:28:17saratogaand a few other older players we dont' support
03:28:33ipodvideo5point5in linux, does rbutilqt need to run with admin privileges?
03:28:38LloreanIf autodetect won't find an ipod, it's also unlikely bootloader install will work.
03:28:41LloreanYes, it does.
03:28:55bofh__huh, iriver, interesting.
03:28:59LloreanJust for the bootloader install on certain devices, including ipods
03:29:22ipodvideo5point5llorean, ok. i'll try to run it with sudo/admin privileges
03:30:14bofh__but yes, leaning AAC on the latter, though mp3 might be more interesting. Probably will apply for this project if it's likely someone else will get the WMA Pro one.
03:30:36saratogagiven your experience it might make more sense to apply for both AAC and MP3
03:30:56saratogasince you will very likely be able to finish AAC quite quickly
03:31:22ipodvideo5point5llorean, i ran it with admin privileges by doing "sudo ./rbutilqt". now autodetect works.
03:31:35LloreanThen just trust what it detects (which should be a 5G)
03:31:45ipodvideo5point5ok.
03:31:55saratogaif you apply we'll do interviews and discuss in detail what we think is appropriate for your project
03:31:59ipodvideo5point5should i leave the "cache" tab and the "TTS & Encoder" tab alone?
03:32:12LloreanYes.
03:32:35saratogahmm though i guess if you really wanted to completely port the ffmpeg aac decoder that would probably be more then enough for a project, though i'm not 100% convinced its worth the effort
03:32:53saratogai suppose it depends what you're most interested in working on, lots of fixed point porting of good code, or cleaning up fixed point but ugly slow code
03:33:09saratogachoose your poison
03:33:12ipodvideo5point5could u kindly check this out before i hit "oK"? http://imgur.com/6BD8y.png
03:33:31ipodvideo5point5it says tts config is invalid
03:34:49ipodvideo5point5do i want the "extra packages" (that come in "Complete Installation")?
03:34:55bofh__saratoga: har. I'll think about it, apply, and further discussion/interview/etc'd be done then.
03:35:07saratogaok sounds good
03:35:14bofh__honestly though I'm not sure if porting ffmpeg's aac lib might not be easier than cleaning up faad.
03:35:15saratogawhat time zone are you in anyway?
03:35:17ipodvideo5point5for example, i don't want any games
03:35:21bofh__EST
03:35:25saratogaah ok same here
03:35:30saratogawhich school are you at?
03:35:34bofh__uwaterloo
03:35:35ipodvideo5point5llorean, you there, sir?
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03:35:55saratogaah ok
03:35:58ipodvideo5point5hi folks. pls help with my install
03:36:17saratogaipodvideo5point5: wait for someone to answer you
03:36:34ipodvideo5point5i am. 8-) but am a bit excited 8-)
03:36:53saratogaregarding libfaad, i spent some time pulling out bits of it and replacing it with stuff from other decoders
03:37:02ipodvideo5point5too late... i did "complete installation"
03:37:03saratogait wasn't too bad actually, its logically enough laid out
03:37:09ipodvideo5point5i hope i can remove games later on
03:37:37saratogabut ffmpeg is nice in that its lgpl so we could in theory back port things to ffmpeg or whatever down the road
03:38:36ipodvideo5point5what's the cleanest/simplest theme?
03:40:44krazykitisn't that up to you? just look at the screenshots
03:41:04ipodvideo5point5krazykit. ok <sniff sniff>
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04:02:30rocky_boxerwhat theme is this: http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox_interface/images/ss-context-menu-320x240x16.png ?
04:03:14krazykitthat's the standard theme
04:03:31rocky_boxerwhere is it in my themes folder on the device?
04:03:49rocky_boxeri see "rockbox_default", but the 2 aren't the same.
04:04:03krazykitcabbiev2, i believe it's called
04:04:27rocky_boxeryes, that's right. looks great. love it.
04:04:29rocky_boxerthanks
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04:13:44rocky_boxerhow do i exit free doom game?
04:14:09S_a_i_n_tOn the iPods...its the hold ottun.
04:14:15S_a_i_n_t*button
04:14:29rocky_boxerthanks. i'll never play that game on my ipod again.
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04:14:31rocky_boxer8-)
04:14:38S_a_i_n_tBut, pretty sure the manual will tell you.
04:14:53rocky_boxercan you delete games while using the iPod?
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04:14:58rocky_boxeror do you need to connect to computer?
04:14:59S_a_i_n_twhy not? I play doom on my Nanos all the time :P
04:15:15S_a_i_n_twhat for?
04:15:48S_a_i_n_tyou *do* need the freedoom/doom/doom2 wads installed however.
04:16:00rocky_boxeri need them even if i won't play them?
04:16:15S_a_i_n_twell, no.
04:16:25S_a_i_n_tIf you *want* to play them ;)
04:16:42rocky_boxeri do not want to play any games on my ipod/rockbox. how do i delete them all.
04:17:49S_a_i_n_tOh right, I missed that post for some reason. You can just remove the .rock files
04:18:15S_a_i_n_tI always remove *some* games, but never all...I'm pretty sure that method will work still though.
04:18:24rocky_boxercan i remove the files by using the iPod? or do i need to use a computer to remove?
04:18:48LloreanPlease, read the manual
04:18:52LloreanIt explains how to delete files
04:19:04S_a_i_n_tI don;t see any reason why you couldn't delete them from the file browser on the ipod, but the PC would be a lot faster.
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04:22:38AusShirI got the just got the clip+ to boot rockbox, i'm surprised how well most of it works already
04:23:16AusShirbut I'm not sure if playback is functional yet
04:23:33AusShiranybody know?
04:24:22LloreanAusShir: The front page of Rockbox.org lists things expected to work. For anything else, you'll need to check to see if they have a status page on the rockbox wiki
04:24:54AusShirthe sansa AMS page says playback works, and it was just added to SVN
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04:25:15AusShirbut I'm not sure if it "works" or just doesn't crash
04:27:31Llorean"Works" should mean you should get audio with a version of Rockbox compiled with that change included.
04:28:15AusShirI can't hear the audio, but the player is decoding it
04:28:42AusShirI'm not sure if that's what the last commit was supposed to do or not
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04:30:39ballIs it difficult to have the fourth or fifth line (I'm on an iPod mini) display comments instead of the next track?
04:31:27AusShirit would require editing a WPS
04:32:06AusShirif comment tags are supported..
04:32:12ballAusShir: Is that a recompile?
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04:34:03S_a_i_n_tball: No, it would simple mean editing the WPS with a text editor like Notepad, SciTE etc.
04:34:21S_a_i_n_tThere's a wiki page that outlines custom WPS quite well.
04:34:26ballsaratoga: Ah, that's doable then.
04:34:26S_a_i_n_tAnd the manual does also.
04:34:40ballI don't think I've ever been able to get to the manual
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04:34:51ballI want that because it would probably explain playlists too.
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04:35:36AusShirthey are available from rockbox.org/manual.shtml
04:36:11*ball tries it
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04:39:33ballGot it, thanks.
04:40:05AusShirno problem :)
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04:47:49ballI'll see if I can't figure this out tomorrow. I need to sleep now.
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04:54:29elinenbecan anyone link me to a bootloader for the clip+?
04:55:15AusShiryou'll have to build it yourself
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04:56:06AusShirand just a tip, the current VmWare image does not work with the clip+
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04:57:51elinenbeAusShir: Yeah, I've just found that out. I thought I'd take a shortcut, but now it looks like I'll be building the enviroment from scratch.
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04:58:50CIA-5New commit by 03moos (r25263): Update the french translation.
04:59:40AusShiryou might want to try using the new image made by scorche
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05:00:34AusShiralthough i assume you'll have to build qt to compile mkamsboot
05:00:57saratogai don't think you need qt to compile mkamsboot
05:01:13saratogaits a command line program
05:01:44AusShirit's part of the rbutil source, but I'm not really sure
05:02:07saratogait can be compiled as a library rbutil uses, but its a stand alone program
05:02:15AusShiroh i see
05:03:20AusShiri used qmake to configure before I built
05:03:28AusShirit was probably a useless step then
05:06:19elinenbeAusShir: where the image from scorche?
05:06:44AusShirin the forums somewhere
05:06:52elinenbethanks.
05:06:59AusShirstarting development section i think
05:09:58LloreanIt's probably on the wiki too, it really ought to be.
05:10:20LloreanThe forums are for discussion, not storing more or less static information like that.
05:10:52AusShirscorche's image isn't done yet I think
05:11:04AusShirjust putting it up for testing
05:11:07LloreanWhat's wrong with the existing vmware image?
05:11:38saratogathread says some people had trouble building the sim, but i don't know if thats still a problem
05:11:40saratogatry it and see
05:11:51AusShiryou can't compile the clip+ on the existing vmware image
05:12:09LloreanWhat's the existing image missing?
05:12:12AusShirthe one on the forums worked for me
05:12:55saratogawhats the current image missing for the clip+?
05:13:10saratogait shouldn't need anything that i can think of
05:13:18LloreanThat's what I was thinking.
05:13:42AusShirnot sure, but I would get errors about a library using FPA instructions and my target not
05:13:54AusShirthat was when building the bootloader
05:14:12AusShirit would build for my e200v1 just fine
05:14:14saratogathe clip+ uses the same arm core as the D2, so I'd be surprised if it needed anything new
05:15:33AusShirit might be just gcc is configured differently
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05:16:12saratogai guess if its really old it might not build the D2 either
05:16:34saratogaeither way should be easy enough to run rockboxdev.sh in the image to fix that
05:17:51AusShirI didn't think of that
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05:19:13AusShirthe D2 bootloader build fails too
05:20:34AusShirsame error about FPA instructions
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06:43:57CIA-5New commit by 03FlynDice (r25264): SansaAMSv2 as3541.c Include key line from funman's patch to get sound on clip+ and have it only apply to as3525v2.
06:46:16FlynDicewell, as3514.c really but we're all a bit dyslexic at times are we not....
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07:07:20windI have upgraded my rockbox to r25262,but I found that I can not use any WPS skins.Why?
07:10:46CIA-5New commit by 03FlynDice (r25265): sd-as3525v2.c: Only manipulate MCI_CLKENA for drive being used.
07:12:32S_a_i_n_twind: Something must be going wrong....what WPSs are you trying to use?
07:14:39windI can't use any,now.
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07:15:22S_a_i_n_tNot even cabbiev2? (the 'default' one)
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07:16:56windSorry.It works.
07:17:49windBut I can't use other skins such as Black Glass
07:18:26S_a_i_n_tthey probably use an incorrect (the old) syntax for a few things...a lot has changed re: WPS lately.
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07:19:05Lloreanwind: Where are you getting your skins from?
07:19:27LloreanThe only ones that you should expect to work are the ones from the actual theme site at rockbox.org, that shows whether they're still working
07:19:53windfrom http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?target=ondavx747
07:20:12S_a_i_n_tSome one on the theme site still dont work...last time I chesked.
07:20:19S_a_i_n_t*checked.
07:21:00Lloreanwind: I don't see anything named black glass there
07:21:22LloreanS_a_i_n_t: If the theme site is reporting a theme as working with a specific build, and it doesn't work with that build, have you filed a bug report?
07:21:57S_a_i_n_tNo, as emails went out to the authors to fix then IIRC...and I assume they haven;t yet.
07:22:04S_a_i_n_t*them
07:22:28windlt had.But now it has been deleted.
07:22:45LloreanS_a_i_n_t: If the theme site says the theme works because checkwps confirmed it, and the theme doesn't work, that's a bug with the theme site, no?
07:22:48LloreanSHouldn't that be reported?
07:22:58Lloreanwind: Maybe it was deleted because it stopped working...
07:24:24S_a_i_n_tllorean: the theme(s) probably did work when it was uploaded, and checkwps confirm it, but the fact that they don't now...well, that's not the theme sites fault, nor checkwps's
07:24:46LloreanThemes are reverified
07:24:48windLlorean:It was deleted because of the copyright
07:24:50LloreanThat's why there's a "current build" line
07:25:25Lloreanwind: Either way, themes not on the theme site are not expected to work reliably, contact their authors directly.
07:26:05windOK,I know.
07:26:52LloreanS_a_i_n_t: If checkwps is passing themes that don't work as valid for the current build, you should figure out which themes it is and file a report
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08:39:56wodzI would like to add some idea for GSoC. For new target port good disassembler is a must. There is no good free such tool. Of course we do have objdump -d but work with this is a pain.
08:41:05wodzMaby It would be not so complicated to use parts of objdump as a backend for graphical tool inspired by IDA
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09:03:22amiconnsaratoga: Regarding mp3 codec speed, the official coldfire mp3 decoder (from freescale) is probably also faster than ours on CF, but if this is the one used by the iriver OF, it has audibly worse sound quality than libmad
09:04:26amiconnAlso iirc someone is currently porting rockbox to another CF based device
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09:32:14JdGordonpixelma: ping?
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09:50:28JdGordonwhich drawmode should the display be in for images?
09:50:51JdGordonor, why is the wps displayer setting it to DRMODE_SOLID *after* the images are all finished?
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10:12:58JdGordonanyone want to try out a patch which makes the wps displayer more umm... not ambigious in the draw order?
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10:16:04JdGordonFS #11133
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10:24:43*JdGordon wonders how he can split the wps display stuff into text and non-text tags
10:25:38pixelmaisn't text (drawing) the same as mono image drawing?
10:30:34pixelmahopefully you don't break the foreground/background colour behaviour of monochrome images... ;)
10:31:39JdGordonassume I have....
10:32:15JdGordonpixelma: the last problems with fnm skin was the menu item name and no conditional %pm right?
10:32:21JdGordondo you have an idea for the menu name?
10:32:39pixelma"Radio skin"?
10:32:58JdGordonthe wps option isnt "WPS skin" hough?
10:33:25pixelma"Radio screen" then?
10:34:07JdGordonthats better than FM Screen?
10:34:31JdGordonshouldn't the settings and screen have the same name?
10:34:50amiconnImo the "screen" part is misleading. It's the skin for the screen, not the screen itself
10:35:30pixelmaI just didn't like "FM Radio" which was the same as in the main menu to enter the radio
10:35:34amiconnDid you solve the hang?
10:36:30amiconnWhat about reinterpreting the ".wps" extension as "while playing skin", and then call ".fms" FM skin?
10:36:31pixelmaJdGordon: and your hardcoded fms doesn't look like the one there is now - my main problem with this is that there are lines which are longer now than before (but not giving more info)
10:36:36JdGordonthis is under settings > "theme" though
10:37:27amiconnhmm
10:37:50pixelmaJdGordon: the WPS isn't called "Now Playing" too
10:38:09pixelmaWPS menu item under theme settings, I mean
10:39:41pixelmaamiconn: yes, the hang was solved, it had to do with wrong handling of two preset tags
10:41:16pixelmaJdGordon: does the current radio screen just show preset name if the preset frequency matches? I ask because putting it inside a "tuner tuned" conditional I almost never get the preset name
10:41:34pixelmaalthough it sounds like the frequency is tuned
10:41:43pixelmaor the station
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10:46:51*S_a_i_n_t *really* nees to but an FM buttplug for his iPods to actually see what all the fuss is about re: FMS
10:47:09S_a_i_n_ts/but/buy/
10:50:23amiconnZagor: ping
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10:52:04JdGordonit should show the preset neame if the freq's match
10:54:54pixelmaok, that would explain it a bit. I still wonder why "tuner tuned" would not be true as often I'd expect it (this is with the M5 with an X5 tuner board which uses a chip similar to the Philipps TEA used in other targets and which has quite good reception)
10:55:48JdGordonit looks like svn doesnt check if the tuner is tuned
10:55:50JdGordonso maybe thats it?
10:57:16AlexPJdGordon: Could you give me an example for %Lt ?
10:57:25pixelmaJdGordon: that was my assumption now, making the "tuner tuned" a different question
10:57:53JdGordonAlexP: what in particular about it? its a simple text tag which is true when the title should be shown
10:58:36AlexPSo you set up a viewport for it with the text/formatting etc that you want, then use only it in the viewport to show the title?
10:58:45S_a_i_n_t%?Lt<%Lt>
10:58:57JdGordonI'm thinking of writing a plugin to build a simple .sbs from the user settings. Would that be useful?
10:59:06AlexPS_a_i_n_t: I get that bit, just not how to use it in practice
10:59:17JdGordonI tried to do it in skin code but not powerful enough
10:59:39JdGordonyes
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11:00:05AlexPJdGordon: So you would have one viewport that just showed it, and then another for drawing the list without it the title. How do you show the list without the title?
11:00:12JdGordonif %Lt is anywhere on the sbs, the %Vi viewport will ignore the title
11:00:20AlexPOK, thanks
11:00:55JdGordonI want to figure out how to make the %Vi viewports conditional...
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11:01:06JdGordonthat could mean some really funky shit!
11:01:21S_a_i_n_tnow *that* would be cool.
11:02:04S_a_i_n_tI have my %vi set rather small...but then, I don't like the way it looks like long lists...aren't long, as I don;t use the scrollbar.
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11:02:45*S_a_i_n_t still thinks bitmap scrollbar would be awesome :P
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11:03:19JdGordoni.e if music is playing then use only half the screen, instead of always using half if you ever want to display more info
11:03:48S_a_i_n_tAhh...I get you now.
11:03:55S_a_i_n_tYes, that would be cool.
11:04:14S_a_i_n_tMy .sbs takes up half the screen, and is irrelevant if music isn;t playing.
11:04:39Buschelamiconn: regarding the faster but worse sounding mp3 decoding: you can easily drop precision by both using less precise coefficients in the windowing calculations and of course dropping several coefficients to save a lot of multiplications. This results in inaccurate synthesis filtering, but gains quite some cycles...
11:04:57Buschelamiconn: nevertheless this is not what rockbox intends to be...
11:05:32amiconnSure
11:05:51amiconnI just mentioned it because saratoga mentioned the official arm mp3 decoder being faster than ours
11:06:40JdGordonS_a_i_n_t: there is/was a gsoc project for that (sort of) if you want it
11:06:52amiconnBuschel: Btw, I have a patch for you: amiconn.dyndns.org/~jens/ipod5_ata_gpio.diff">http://amiconn.dyndns.org/~jens/ipod5_ata_gpio.diff
11:08:28S_a_i_n_tthere is/was...? I browsed over the prospects, but I didn;t recall seeing anything that fitted that bill. But that was a while ago now.
11:08:52Buschelamiconn: the atomic operation. feel free to submit :)
11:09:11*S_a_i_n_t doesn't have time to be paid for such things (which sounds odd I know), but in my free time, sure.
11:09:19amiconnI can't test it myself - it *should* work though
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11:12:09JdGordongrr.. Do I need to make is smart enough so stupid people dont get into a position where no ui viewport is displayed? (i.e they have it conditionally enabled which is always false?)
11:12:23Buschelamiconn: the code looks fine. if you definately do not want to submit this without a final test on the target, i will be able to test this patch later today and respond
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11:13:13amiconnHmm, multigcc.pl needs work on osx as well, not only on opensolaris
11:13:23*S_a_i_n_t reminds JdGordon exactly how stupid stupid people can be...
11:13:40amiconnNeither system has /proc/cpuinfo - they have different ways to find out the number of cpus though
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11:18:05JdGordonS_a_i_n_t: or the other option of enabling more than one of those viewports :)
11:18:12JdGordonat least that one is simpler to work around
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11:20:12CIA-5New commit by 03alex (r25267): Add %pS and %pE tags to the manual. Closes FS #11121.
11:20:17CIA-5New commit by 03alex (r25268): Add the %Sx tag to the manual. Closes FS #11116.
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11:24:26AlexPJdGordon: Thank you for adding the tasks, it makes it much easier :)
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11:26:22JdGordon|AlexP: HTH :)
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11:29:01JdGordon|for conditional ui viewport... would it be more understandable to add a label to %Vi (e.g %Vi|a|0|0|........|) or add a new tag like %wi which goes in the viewport? so the ui viewport would then need to be over 2 lines?
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11:29:19JdGordon|I think the first would be easier to work with in the code, but not in the skin lang
11:29:58S_a_i_n_tHmmmm, both have merits.
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11:30:10JdGordon|plus, if we go that route, does it make sense to allow the ui viewport to have the same viewport id's as others?
11:30:17JdGordon|(other regular viewports)
11:30:28S_a_i_n_t%Vi|a etc, seems to be more consistent with the rest of the code/conditionals.
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11:31:12S_a_i_n_tI think ui viewport should have its own identifiers myself...to save confusion.
11:31:21S_a_i_n_tbut thats just me.
11:32:09*JdGordon| isnt so sure about forcing that thoguh
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11:34:39PaulJamJdGordon|: does your patch at FS #11133 remove or disable the %x|... tags that directly show am image?
11:35:02JdGordon|not by design
11:35:05JdGordon|did I break them?
11:35:36*JdGordon| sees the bug
11:37:36JdGordon|PaulJam: does adding "case WPS_TOKEN_IMAGE_DISPLAY:" in line 640 of skin_display.c fix it?
11:38:17PaulJamI#ll try.
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11:48:00PaulJamJdGordon|: no, still doesn't work
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11:49:09JdGordon|hmmm
11:49:45JdGordon|do any of the svn themes have that tag?
11:49:57JdGordon|or got a demo one?
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11:54:52JdGordon|PaulJam: ah, OK that was stupid.. i tihnk i have it now.. ill upload the diff to the track in a min
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11:55:11PaulJamok, thank you
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12:17:30PaulJamJdGordon|: it still doesn't work (with the draw_order.3 patch)
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12:19:36JdGordon|_PaulJam: bugger :p
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12:51:09JdGordon|_PaulJam: which theme are you using?
12:51:46PaulJami'm using an own theme, i can send it to you if you want.
12:52:15JdGordon|_please :)
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12:55:52JdGordon|_PaulJam: rockbox at jdgordon.info please
12:58:11PaulJamsent
12:58:55JdGordon|_h300 right?
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13:00:13PaulJamyes
13:06:55PaulJamthe most obvious issue with this wps and your patch is, that the mask for the peakmeter is missing. it should look like this: http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/9475/pjice.png
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13:07:39JdGordon|_peakmeter hasnt been touched (yet) so that could be why
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13:15:06PaulJamthere are other images missing too, but they are not that obvious. for example in the menus on the area where the artist-title is shown while playing there should be an imge (diagonal stripes) displayed while stopped.
13:15:35JdGordon|_all the missing ones are %x ones?
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13:22:28PaulJamall the %x ones are missing. I noticed that also the batterydisplay in the menus (which uses %xl/%xd ) doesn't seem to work, but that seems to be a different issue since the same code still works in the wps.
13:22:48JdGordon|_I saw that also... one thing at a time thoguh :)
13:24:24JdGordon|_OH, I think I know whats happening
13:26:04JdGordon|_hmm... nope
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13:37:10S_a_i_n_tIs it possible to place a menu entry in "plugins"? I'm *really* unhappy with the way FS #6697 (http://pastebin.com/Jn2eZpt2) puts "Dictionaries" in the main menu, and 'Plugins" seems the obvious place to put it.
13:37:51S_a_i_n_tIts not as easy as I believed it would be :(
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13:38:20JdGordon|_PaulJam: well i got my printfs working so the images should be displaying, but I dont see the peakmeter overlays...
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13:44:04JdGordon|_still no worky :( and the images are loading
13:46:30JdGordon|_PaulJam: maybe its the sime peakmeter being wrong... try the .4 version
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13:56:47PaulJami can't compile the .4 version (undefined reference to `printf').
13:57:54JdGordon|_try again...i reuploaded it
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14:00:42elinenbequick question: where's the source for mkamsboot? I'm tyring to build the bootloader for the clip+, but the version I have doesn't have the checksum for the clip+ fimrware I downloaded in it.
14:01:25JdGordon|_rbutil/mkamsboot
14:02:42elinenbeJdGordon|_: Got it. Thanks!
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14:04:12gevaertsCan people have a look at FS #11101? It needs some better (as in, correct and not totally misleading) wording
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14:05:39S_a_i_n_tI'm not sure if there is a way it could be worded that fits *all* the targets.
14:05:41kugelcharging only?
14:05:58JdGordon|_speak of the devil
14:06:00kugelthe ondio needs a different string of course
14:06:38kugelS_a_i_n_t: it doesn't need to
14:07:26JdGordon|_kugel: what is hidden_vp doing in skin_display.c 1154?
14:07:32JdGordon|_you added in with the sbs stuff
14:07:36gevaertsIt's easy if you have a paragraph or so
14:07:45JdGordon|_call get_line() if the viewport is hidden?
14:09:07gevaertsHaving a choice of options would be easier than on/off (e.g. "Disk mode/Power only"), but I guess that's not really easy in the settings code
14:09:11kugelit's for the %Vi and the sbs' default ones, they are never drawn but e.g. conditionals in them should be evaluated
14:09:39JdGordon|_that doesnt make much sense
14:09:52JdGordon|_also, that var is an int, but you then set it to true... tisk tisk
14:10:27kugelmany tags stop working when placed in the default vp when it's never drawn
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14:10:57JdGordon|_that line causes a few (unlogged) bugs
14:11:12JdGordon|_%wi will work in a disabled viewport!
14:11:31JdGordon|_so will %Vp
14:11:32kugeland that's a bug?
14:11:41PaulJamJdGordon|_: with the .4 version some of the %x images show up, but the mask for the peakmeters is still missing
14:11:48JdGordon|_you think its not a bug?
14:11:53kugelthey're drawn in the vp they're placed in, aren't they?
14:12:39kugelsure it's not a bug. %Vi and sbs' default vp *are not* drawn. and we have never supported putting any drawing into these
14:13:01kugeli.e. the sbs must have viewports
14:13:01JdGordon|_alot of tags assume thaty if they are being calld it should draw
14:14:51JdGordon|_at the very least, setting an int to true is just bad!
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14:16:14JdGordon|_if the viewport is never visible then anything inside it shold be outright ignored
14:16:19JdGordon|_otherwise its user error
14:17:14JdGordon|_S_a_i_n_t: your question before which wasnt asked has a simple answer if you look at the code for the plugin menu
14:17:19JdGordon|_root_menu.c i tinhk
14:17:42kugelwell, that breaks for example %we or %xl, or any conditional viewport drawing before the first viewport is set
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14:18:46kugelyou couldn't have a cond vp only sbs then, for example
14:18:51S_a_i_n_tJdGordon|_: Thanks...I may still have to bug you if I get stuck, but I assure you I'll at least try first. :D
14:18:56JdGordon|_the default viewport sholdnt be disabled then
14:19:33JdGordon|_I assume the reason to disable it is so it doesnt do a fullscreen clear?
14:19:39kugelit needs to, otherwise it will clear the lists
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14:23:02kugeland yes back then it was really fullscreen, so it had cleared the entire screen
14:23:13JdGordon|_want to test a fix?
14:24:04kugelwell, can't you test yourself?
14:24:17JdGordon|_http://pastebin.com/f04uQ4a6
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14:28:25JdGordon|_annoyingly that wont fix my issues though :/
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14:30:04S_a_i_n_tHmmmm...I know I should be looking at root_menu.c ~line 341-369, but the only thing my meager talents can gather from that is how to organise the plugin folders alphabetically...which pleases me, but is nowhere near what I'm going for.
14:31:09JdGordon|_bah
14:31:31JdGordon|_add an item to the MENUITEM_STRINGLIST() line, then a case in that switch and you're done
14:33:14S_a_i_n_taha...thankyou.
14:33:51JdGordon|_lots of green.. I'm going to bed
14:33:52kugelthat's what you call "do it properly"?
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14:40:30PaulJamJdGordon|_: i think the remaining missing images with the .4 version are because if the now changed drawing order. they are all in the .wps file one line above the text/peakmeter they should mask. (in svn the place in the .wps file didn't matter and the %x images were drawn above everything else in the wps)
14:41:57gevaertspamaury: FS #11118 seems to work for me on gigabeat F
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14:56:17S_a_i_n_tDoes anyone know how I could go about changing the colours of the splash screens from black on grey to white on black?
14:56:31S_a_i_n_tit aa: goes with my theme better, and b: is easier for me to read.
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15:51:12Buschel_should have made a clean build... :/
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16:11:13gevaertsto speed up dependency generation
16:12:15kugelah thanks
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16:51:42Buschel_Could anyone else test the "buffering unboost" patch that I have added FS #9708? It does not use boosting when buffering for targets that use ATA_DMA. This also may save some battery time, as in current svn boosts for e.g. mp3 or mpc will only occure while buffering. On the other hand buffering will not be any faster through boosting when DMA is used.
16:53:36S_a_i_n_tdoes "testing" just mean "see if it works" or will there be some form of notable difference to report?
16:55:01Buschel_S_a_i_n_t: more like "see if it works" over a period of time. e.g. are there any additional effects like short drop-outs?
16:56:11S_a_i_n_tHmmmm..ok, I'll run it for a day (am *just* about to compile, so I'll throw this patch in also), and get backto you tomorrow.
16:56:50Buschel_S_a_i_n_t: thanks
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17:46:06*domonoky found the voicefile problem from the mailing list. genlang.cgi seems to not like 3.5.1 as a revision number.
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17:49:19Buschel_soap: yes, for example.
17:49:25JB2002hi there, i've got a question about pictureflow: is it possible to order the album art by the album artist and not by the album name?
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17:54:55domonokycan someone with perl knowledge look at www\genlang\index.cgi, to find out why it doesnt like 3.5.1 as revision parameter ?
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18:01:37S_a_i_n_tJB2002: not without messing about with the source code...and possibly not even then.
18:01:49S_a_i_n_tI'm not sure if it cares about tags or not.
18:02:09S_a_i_n_t"it" being pictureflow.rock
18:03:31pixelmadon't you have to enable the database if you want pictureflow working?
18:03:37AlexPYes
18:03:41S_a_i_n_thave a look at apps\plugins\pictureflow.c in the RB source
18:03:45AlexPOf course it cares about tags, it uses them
18:03:55AlexPThat is where it gets its info from
18:04:11S_a_i_n_tI just figured on that myself...I worded that pretty badly.
18:04:25AlexPJB2002: Does the database use albumartist to sort?
18:04:57JB2002not sure
18:04:58pixelmait only cares about the album tag though (and stuffs all tracks from the three albums called "Home" I have into one folder and takes the first picture it finds
18:05:02pixelma)
18:06:00S_a_i_n_t*thats* what I *meant*...I'm not sure "what" tags it cares about...
18:06:09mitkHi. Where I can find rbclient.log when runclient.sh is started by cron with @reboot option?
18:06:09JB2002alexP: how can i check how it is sorted?
18:06:14S_a_i_n_teasy to say after the fact though :P
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18:06:25AlexPJB2002: By looking at the list?
18:06:56soapok, Buschel_, finally finished rereading the entire FS #9708 thread.
18:07:12JB2002you mean the pictureflow order?
18:07:29CIA-5New commit by 03Domonoky (r25277): try to fix genlang.cgi for release 3.5.1: replace all . with _ in revision.
18:07:33AlexPJB2002: No, in the database
18:07:35soapWhich patch / combo do you want tested pre-commit?
18:08:16domonokyBagder, Zagor: can you please svnup genlang.cgi ?
18:08:46JB2002in my database i can select how it should order my music - sorry that i don't understand the point ...
18:09:05AlexPJB2002: I'm just asking if the database uses the albumartist tag at all
18:09:35S_a_i_n_tyes, it does.
18:09:48JB2002AlexP: yes, i can order by Album Artist
18:09:49pixelmaAlexP: maybe not the default tagnavi file but I'm quite sure you can make it use albumartist
18:10:02AlexPAnyway, going on what pixelma said Pictureflow doesn't currently use artist or albumartist, so it needs extending to do that
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18:10:26S_a_i_n_tAlbum Artist is the second sort order in the list in Database.
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18:10:32soapand, Buschel_, do you see a testing advantage to loading a 32MB iPod build on my 64MB iPod to increase the drive access rate? Perhaps a 16MB buffer build??
18:10:41S_a_i_n_twithout changing tagnavi at all.
18:11:18soapand and, Buschel_, is there still concern regarding reads / writes over USB and this patch? Should I do some repeated back/forth transfers looking for file / filesystem corruption?
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18:27:36Buschel_soap: just to make sure -> fs#9708 has already been submitted for a while. I am just asking about the last small patch that disables boosting while buffering.
18:27:53Buschel_soap: yes, 32MB would lead to more intesive testing :)
18:27:58Buschel_*intensive
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18:28:59soapcache alignment was the last bit commited, correct?
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18:29:40Buschel_yes
18:30:12soapand the unboost patch does???
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18:31:34Buschel_works for me here since a while
18:32:11soapSorry for the vague question - the goal of the unboost patch is?
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18:36:52sustineohi, does anyone know how to get pictureflow working?
18:37:26sustineoi have my music seperated in to directories according to album and then with a folder.jpg in each
18:37:40soapwhich directions have you followed?
18:37:44S_a_i_n_tsustineo: do you have the database enabled?
18:38:07S_a_i_n_ts/enabled/initialised/
18:39:51sustineoyes
18:40:13S_a_i_n_twhat happens when you thry to run pictureflow.rock?
18:40:32AlexPsustineo: Does album art work in the WPS?
18:40:37sustineoit shows all of them with the question mark
18:40:39sustineoyes
18:40:47sustineo(@alexp)
18:40:58S_a_i_n_trebuild the picturefloe cache
18:41:00AlexPAnd the database
18:41:03AlexPwoops
18:41:08S_a_i_n_tits in the options for pictureflow
18:41:10AlexPI meant ot press delete not enter there :)
18:41:36sustineok ill try it
18:42:18sustineowait how do you get to the pictureflow options
18:42:19sustineo?
18:42:33S_a_i_n_tone sec
18:42:56S_a_i_n_tif your on an ipod, press menu.
18:43:01S_a_i_n_tif your not...pass.
18:43:03S_a_i_n_t:/
18:43:17AlexPsustineo: You check the manual
18:43:22sustineoim on a sansa fuze
18:43:27sustineok
18:43:31S_a_i_n_tyep, manual time.
18:43:58sustineogot it i think
18:44:10sustineo(settings)
18:44:18AlexPThe manual should always be the first thing to check
18:46:19sustineosweet, it worked. thanks
18:46:23Buschel_soap: a vague question leads to a vague answer: aim is of course to avoid waste of battery. rockbox does only boost, if needed by the application. with DMA the transfer rate is independent of the cpu clock. therefor there is no need to boost the cpu for buffering.
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18:54:23soaplast question - I promise
18:55:06Buschel_go!
18:55:09Buschel_:)
18:55:26soapWhen applying FS #8668 I get http://pastebin.com/qw1vyapr
18:55:51soap"svn status" shows I was clean prior.
18:57:20Buschel_hmm, I should update fs#8668
18:57:53TorneBuschel_: did we ever get a straight up bench of svn vs svn with the no-boost patch from 9708?
18:58:07TorneBuschel_: I still have more to do with 9708 re alignment
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18:58:52Buschel_Torne: you will not see any difference. the gain is too small to be clearly visible in benches
18:59:23Tornethen i think you are risking poor behaviour for little benefit..
18:59:27Buschel_Torne: Does your further work on alignment have an impact on stopping to boost while buffering?
18:59:34Tornesee album art rescaling, etc
18:59:40Tornewhich currently will happen while boosted, no?
18:59:52Torneor do those sections explicitly boost anyway?
18:59:54soapI just had not seen that question from patch before. Seems to be "mistaken" as my checkout is clean.
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19:00:11Buschel_Torne: hmmm, don't know. In this case the scaling application should boost.
19:00:12TorneBuschel_: Might make it work better ;)
19:00:26TorneBuschel_: Album art loading is mostly unaligned atm
19:00:43Tornebut mostly i'm interested in performance in other parts of rockbox, not buffering
19:00:49Tornei.e. normal FAT access
19:04:47Strife89Buschel_: Do you intend to try and update it now, or when you feel like it? ;)
19:05:07*Strife89 is offering to test on his setup, if the answer is now. :)
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19:07:48Buschel_Strife89: when you feel you like :o) I guess there might be some more non-technical discussions before submitting the patch
19:08:03Buschel_Strife89: so, I am not in a hurry
19:09:17Strife89Okay, I was mostly curious. :)
19:09:36Strife89But I have a pair of iPods that I can test that with.
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19:20:45TheSevenrasher.dk/rockbox/buildgraphs/graph.php?r=25278&debug">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/buildgraphs/graph.php?r=25278&debug <−− big WTF
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19:22:05mc2739TheSeven: that will happen if the page is accessed before the round is complete
19:23:21TheSevenah, that explains a lot of negative build times etc. :-P
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19:32:22S_a_i_n_tI assume #FS5111 was added before there was even a port for the Nano2g....if I just add #Define_Hardware_Keyclick to the config.h for the nano2g do you think the piezo would work?
19:37:09Zagordomonoky: done
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19:37:56soapso does anyone else have the time to explain the message I'm getting when patching FS #8668? I've never seen this message before.
19:37:59soapWhen applying FS #8668 I get http://pastebin.com/qw1vyapr
19:38:22S_a_i_n_tIt happens if the patch has a value thats already in SVN
19:38:40gevaertssoap: very probably part of the patch is already in svn
19:38:46S_a_i_n_tso...it thinks it has already beenapplied.
19:38:58soapahhh
19:39:05soapThat makes sense.
19:39:34S_a_i_n_tsortof...I thought patch.exe was a little smarter than that.
19:39:36domonokyZagor: good. voice generation for 3.5.1 works again :-)
19:39:39soapand is it asking me if I want to assume revert?
19:39:43soap"-R"?
19:39:53S_a_i_n_tI encountered the same thing with a patch I was working on tonight actually...
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19:40:20S_a_i_n_tsoap: yep
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19:40:26soapmeaning that if I say "no" it will skip that hunk and if I say "y" it will revert said hunk even though I didn't call for a revert before?
19:40:36S_a_i_n_tyep
19:41:26TheSevenS_a_i_n_t: No, that won't work, as there is no driver for the piezo
19:41:33TheSevenmaking one would be trivial though
19:42:13S_a_i_n_tHmmm...I resynced FS #5111 (havent put the patch back on the tracker yet), its something I *really* miss from the OF
19:42:21S_a_i_n_tperhaps the only thing actually.
19:42:51S_a_i_n_tno, no perhaps, it IS the only thing I miss from the OF
19:48:19TheSevenhow do those SW keyclicks work?
19:48:36TheSevencould we just piggyback a HW keyclick driver on that?
19:49:06mitkZagor: Where rbclient.log can be found when runclient.sh is started by cron with @reboot option?
19:49:56Zagormitk: in the directory it is started from. probably the home dir if you didn't change it.
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19:53:52mitkZagor: Can't find it. I'm starting it from crontab file which is "@reboot /home/rockbox/rbserver/runclient.sh". User is rockbox.
19:55:06gevaertsmitk: I'd also expect it in /home/rockbox then
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19:58:58S_a_i_n_tWould "/cygdrive/c/Cygwin/Rockbox_Source/patched/firmware/usb.c:60: warning: usb_charging_by_default defined but not used" matter?
19:59:05S_a_i_n_t*In a bootloader build
19:59:25mitkgevaerts: Still can't find. When runcleint.sh is started from command line it is in the current dir indeed. But when started from cron even locate can't find it.
19:59:38TheSevenhm, I don't really get people are complaining about the apps/ changes in that patch
19:59:46mitkAfter updatedb of course
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20:00:03TheSevenisn't that only fixing and extending the sw keyclick thing?
20:00:17S_a_i_n_t5111?
20:00:20TheSevenyes
20:00:44S_a_i_n_tyes...I thought it was awesome
20:00:55S_a_i_n_tapparently the problem lies with the menu
20:00:59S_a_i_n_t*for some*
20:01:49TheSevencan you upload your resynced patch? i might just try to add a driver for the nn2g piezo
20:01:55kugelTheSeven: that patch rather introduces co-existence (when I looked last at it)
20:01:55S_a_i_n_t*note* GodEater's "sync" is missing two files. If you want it, I can chuck you the one I made a few hours ago.
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20:02:24TheSevenS_a_i_n_t: piezo.[ch] ?
20:02:43S_a_i_n_tyes.
20:02:47TheSeventhose are target dependent anyway
20:03:04TheSevendoes the 24194 sync still work?
20:03:25kugelpiezo.[ch] also contains the thread etc, doesn't it?
20:03:47TheSevenkugel: I don't see any need for a thread for that
20:04:37TheSevenas the piezo is a timer on nn2g, we can just write a timer int handler that will kill the timer after some number of calls to it
20:04:43kugelyea, I didn't as well, but someone explained it for me
20:04:45kugelIIRC
20:05:16TheSeventhis might be related to how the piezo on the PP ipods works
20:05:59kugelI haven't investigated it further, I just didn't like the patch in its current form, api-wise
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20:07:23S_a_i_n_tI totally agree that the menu options need work, but I think it would be an awsome addition to the targets that can use it.
20:08:36S_a_i_n_twith FS #11101 I get "/firmware/usb.c:60: warning: usb_charging_by_default defined but not used" does this matter? Or is it just bad coding?
20:08:56S_a_i_n_t*while building the bootloader for nano1g
20:09:26kugelit should be noted on the task at least
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20:31:23soapany reason, Buschel_, to expect FS #9708 to lead to data corruption on writes?
20:32:08Buschel_no. it does not use DMA for writes as those were a bit slower than PIO.
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20:38:16Tornesoap: also, writes are basically guaranteed to be safe
20:38:22Tornesoap: the cache problems can only happen on read
20:38:43Tornedma writes are perfectly safe, i have tested extensively; it's only disabled because of performance
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20:39:00Torne(and that might not be true on other devices, maybe; there's a define to turn them back on)
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20:44:30soapso then looking for stutters on buffer fill only?
20:44:42soap(I'
20:45:09soap(I'll stop filling / emptying a large FLAC directory and "flac -t"ing it then)
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21:28:34S_a_i_n_tTheSeven: Around?
21:28:55TheSevenyep
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21:29:09TheSeventrying to compile a hw keyclick testing build right now ;-)
21:29:41S_a_i_n_tWell, I hope you fixed up my patch...as, although it compiles, she don't work
21:29:54TheSevendoesn't work in terms of what?
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21:30:12S_a_i_n_tAll the menus are there...but the piezo don't piezo :(
21:30:19TheSevenon which target?
21:30:35S_a_i_n_tNano1g
21:31:23S_a_i_n_tshit knows what I did wrong...
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21:32:38TheSevenit clicks!
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21:32:49S_a_i_n_tfor 2g?
21:32:54TheSevenyep
21:33:09S_a_i_n_tHmmmm...you see what I did wrong on nano1g?
21:33:13TheSevenstill need to optimize the sound a bit, but it CLICKS! :-P
21:33:34TheSevenno, i only implemented the 2g driver, so i guess something's broken in the lowlevel stuff for PP
21:34:26S_a_i_n_tIt compiled OK, but compile doesn't necessarily = works, as I've found many, many times.
21:35:56fidencioS_a_i_n_t: yeap
21:37:47*TheSeven wonders if the sound of it could be improved by a non-50% duty cycle
21:38:07TheSevenright now you can clearly hear the "base frequency" of the click
21:38:44S_a_i_n_t*apparently* the settings in FS #5111 are taken from the OF...but I some doubt the accuracy of the testing equiptment
21:39:06S_a_i_n_ts/settings/settings for the keyclick freq/
21:39:10TheSeventhe nano2g of probably uses different values
21:39:27S_a_i_n_t1 and 2g nano keyclick sounds the same to me.
21:39:43S_a_i_n_tcomparing both OFs side-by-side
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21:40:00TheSevenerm, that keyclick patch breaks the "Shutting down..." splashf for some reason...
21:40:49TheSeven(or it's just some other GUI code that was changed recently)
21:41:07S_a_i_n_tnot on my 1g it doesn't
21:41:43S_a_i_n_thaven't tried it on the 2g yet...as (until now) there was no point
21:42:20S_a_i_n_t25270
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21:43:28*TheSeven didn't expect getting that driver right on the first try ;-)
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21:44:02S_a_i_n_tI'd like to see/use it when you've honed it a little.
21:44:20S_a_i_n_tdoes it just go off the keyclick settings?
21:44:27S_a_i_n_tOr use the 5111 menu?
21:46:36*TheSeven just uploaded a patch to the FS
21:46:53S_a_i_n_t:D
21:47:10TheSeveni increased the freq of the clicks a bit
21:47:44TheSeven1.25 insteead of 1.00 kHz
21:48:11S_a_i_n_tI'll try using it with a clean tree and see if that makes a difference to the 1g, but I *may* have broken something :P
21:48:42S_a_i_n_ts/1g/nano1g/
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21:50:04rick_wHello, I've made some detailed pictures of the mainboard/IC/battery of the iPod Shuffle 2G. If you can use this info, can you add the link to the wiki page (http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IpodPort)?
21:53:22S_a_i_n_tTheSeven: 25279? Are we there yet? :P
21:53:57TheSevenhuh?
21:54:33S_a_i_n_tYour comment on FS #5111
21:54:39TheSevengrr, some recent change seems to have introduced a major menu slowdown
21:54:43TheSevenwhat's wrong about it?
21:55:35S_a_i_n_tISn't SVN 25270 atm?
21:55:42TheSevennope
21:55:53S_a_i_n_tah...my mistake.
21:55:58CIA-5New commit by 03bluebrother (r25280): Rockbox Utility requires Qt 4.5 since a while; correct check in project file.
21:56:10S_a_i_n_tyep...bigtime :P
21:58:10S_a_i_n_tI've noticed the menu being a little sluggish myself actually, don;t know what caused it however.
21:58:22S_a_i_n_tThe draw order was played with a bit recently.
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22:04:28TheSevenyes, that broke both the shutdown message and added that menu latency
22:04:28AlexPrick_w: It is a wiki so anyone can edit (when signed up) and nobody can add the items without a link :)
22:06:46rick_wSorry, forgot the link: http://www.westelaken.net/ipod-shuffle-2g/ . I tried to sign up for the Wiki, but my usernames keep getting rejected, and I don want to clutter up your user base as well.
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22:08:09AlexPrick_w: You just need to sign up with your real name then ask in here for write access
22:12:15rick_wAlexP: The link is the only thing I have to add, is it easier if (f.e.) you added that link? Or is it necessary that I create an account?
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22:32:00soapthe images, rick_w, really need stored on rockbox's server.
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22:51:34fmlAlexP: Hello. There is a copy-paste typo in the description of the %pE wps tag.
22:52:23fmlAt least I think there is. Shouldn't the tag give true if we are in the last N seconds of the track?
22:53:23kugelS_a_i_n_t, TheSeven: which change?
22:53:36TheSevensomething during the last week
22:53:46TheSevendon't know which one exactly yet
22:54:22TheSevenbut it is redrawing a screen with only a backdrop on it every time you enter a menu, and the shutdown message will get killed by a backdrop blit some milliseconds after it is shown
22:56:14*kugel didn't update for a while
22:58:02amiconnHmm, is there a reason why our inttypes.h tries to define everything for the sim as well, instead of just including stdint.h, like it does for the wpseditor?
22:59:21amiconnThis will (a) cause problems if the assumptions taken are wrong for a sim platform (this would e.g. hit Win64, where 'long' is 32 bit, but pointers are 64 bit)
22:59:23*S_a_i_n_t hasn't seen the "shutting down..." splash failing on his Nano1g, but the menus do seem a little bit sluggish compared to usual.
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23:00:08S_a_i_n_tOdd, I'm sure I'd notice it more an the nano1g than TheSeven would on the nano2g (2g is a LOT faster) but he seems to be getting more side effects than I am.
23:00:09amiconnIt also does cause a problem in opensolaris, where limits.h already includes other files defining that stuff, so I get massive redefinition warnings
23:00:14S_a_i_n_tOr noticing more at least :P
23:00:50amiconnIs it ok to assume stdint.h does exist for sim builds?
23:01:24kugelI think so
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23:08:48amiconnHmm, it's not that simple :\
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