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#rockbox log for 2010-04-16

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00:00:54Gumpalright thanks. its bugging the hell out of me
00:01:10linuxstbGump: What device are you running Rockbox on?
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00:01:28Gumpsansa fuze
00:01:34ThomasAHGump: ah, if I disable fade-in/out the delay is much shorter
00:01:41ThomasAH(crossfade already was disabled)
00:01:53Gumpwait you mean fade in/out on pause?
00:01:57ThomasAHyes
00:02:02Gumphmm ill try it
00:02:45Gumpnope still almost a 3 second delay
00:03:29ThomasAH(I changed a second setting, too ... let me verify)
00:03:32gevaertswhich codec are you using?
00:03:38ThomasAHogg here
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00:04:17Gumpmp3
00:04:36Gumpneed to change to ogg, just got the player this morning
00:04:53ThomasAHah
00:05:08gevaertsmp3 shouldn't be too CPU intensive
00:05:17ThomasAHGump: when I let the track play until the disk-access icon turns off, then skip to the next track is fast
00:05:46ThomasAHit seems to fill a buffer and won't skip until it is full or something like that
00:05:50Gumpfor me no matter what it's a 3 second delay
00:06:18Gumponce it changes tracks it's instantaneous, it just takes 3 seconds to register that i skipped it
00:06:46Gumpthe player registers the button click immediately though as the backlight comes on
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00:07:45ThomasAHGump: sansa clip+ here, so not much different
00:08:16Gumphmm
00:08:28Gumpwell it doesn't seem like processing power because it wasn't a problem with sansa firmware
00:09:14ThomasAHGump: the disk access icon is off before you press skip forward?
00:09:44Gumpit never even comes on when i press skip and a new song starts
00:09:52Gumpit only comes on like when i change a setting or something
00:09:57ThomasAHhmm
00:10:23Gumpwow ok it just skipped right away. once
00:10:28Gumpand then went back to 3 second delay
00:10:37gevaertsGump: please put the contents of .rockbox/config.cfg on a site like pastebin.com
00:10:50ThomasAHGump: fuze v1 or v2?
00:10:58Gumpv1
00:12:17Gumpwhere is .rockbox/config.cfg?
00:12:22ThomasAHso a bit more different from clip+, but should work better in general
00:13:03ThomasAHGump: on your player :) (.rockbox is a hidden directory)
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00:15:57Gumphttp://pastebin.com/bAPuCDv1
00:16:26Gumpthat is config.cfg
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00:17:50gevaertsnothing obvious in there...
00:18:41Gumpgevaerts: im assuming there is no setting specifically for a delay in skipping tracks?
00:20:32Gumpaside from crossfade that is
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00:55:12lazyguyanyone here running rockbox on sansa c2x0v2
00:55:15lazyguyor clip+
00:55:15saratoga_stripwax: have you made any changes to the tremor patch?
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01:02:44stripwaxsaratoga - no. wasn't able to identify the unaligned access yet that seems to be causing crashes on my setup. annoyingly it seems intermittent but largely reproducible (and doesn't occur on unpatched or on oldrockboxmdct patched), but that could be a coincidence
01:03:20stripwaxhaven't been able to rule out that the problem is purely coincidence and not related to the patch. i'd say go for it, and if anyone else sees problems, take a look into it after the fact
01:03:35stripwaxhad a lot of Real Life recently and not a lot of time for this
01:04:33saratoga_stripwax: ok but i thought you made some minor changes ?
01:04:47saratoga_just removed that one autogenerated file?
01:06:10stripwaxi think so
01:06:28stripwaxI noticed rafael carre put up a trac issue with patch
01:06:36stripwaxfor the config issue not picking up arm asm
01:06:43saratoga_yeah
01:06:55saratoga_i'd like to also add support for detecting a few other arm compilers
01:06:57saratoga_its not that hard
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01:10:16saratoga_how do i fix the SVN permissions in that patch?
01:10:22saratoga_they're all executable for some reason
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02:39:20Blue_DudeS_a_i_n_t: you rang?
02:40:11S_a_i_n_twow...good timing.
02:41:13S_a_i_n_tI can't "re-assign" a hotkey without first resetting them using the hotkeys reset option.
02:41:21S_a_i_n_tIs this intended behaviour?
02:42:05Blue_DudeI saw your post, kinda sorta "parsed" it :). I couldn't reproduce it though.
02:42:33Blue_DudeI can assign hotkeys one after another on the WPS screen without resetting to defaults. Is that what you meant?
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02:43:16Blue_DudeBTW, sorry I haven't been on lately. Day job. :)
02:43:57S_a_i_n_tHmmmm...On Nano 1/2g, I can set a hotkey fine, but only once. If I want to re-assign it to another value the screen just "blips" (a short flash of *something*) but it doesn't change the hotkeys value.
02:44:19S_a_i_n_tIf I want to reassign that hotkey, I first have to reset it.
02:44:24S_a_i_n_tIt sucks.
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02:45:26S_a_i_n_tI mean, the hotkeys idea doesn't suck, and hotkeys doesn't suck...but having to reset them if all I want to do is assign a new hotkey value sucks. :/
02:45:34Blue_DudeHm. Hm, I say. I'm not sure what to say about that. Have you tried to make a Nano sim build to reproduce it there?
02:45:58S_a_i_n_tI was just going to build a sim now actually.
02:46:00Blue_DudeAgree, totally, that does suck. It's not supposed to be that way.
02:46:24S_a_i_n_tSomeone earlier said they couldn;t reproduce it in the sim, but they never mentioned what target.
02:46:30S_a_i_n_tIt was fml I believe.
02:46:38Blue_DudeIf you can reproduce it there, I can work on the bug. If not, you've got more work to do :)
02:47:00S_a_i_n_t;) Righto...I'm building the SIM now.
02:47:06Blue_DudeIt works on the e200 target and sim. I haven't run across that particular problem before.
02:47:18S_a_i_n_tI'll give you a buzz with some results soon-ish.
02:47:38Blue_DudeI'll hang out here for a while.
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02:49:23Blue_DudeYou would ASSume it would work the same on all targets. As I proved with the last bug, that would be incorrect.
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03:03:36Gumphey guys how do i put .jpgs on a sansa fuze with rockbox on it?
03:03:48Gumpi browse to the files from the player, click one and the screen turns blue
03:04:01Gumpthen another button press makes rockbox crash and restart
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03:36:14funmanB4gder: can you update the front page with r25621 ?
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04:02:05R6Vjust joined to ask one question
04:02:27R6Vdoes rockbox work on ipod classic yet?
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04:03:36lazyguy>Just to let you know Clipv2 and Clip+ were promoted down to the "'Unusable" category.
04:03:54lazyguywhat was it considered before?
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04:05:17funmanR6V: no
04:05:22funmanlazyguy: unstable
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04:07:01FlynDicefunman: find out anything new re sd today?
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04:08:49lazyguyso it's at a worse state?
04:09:37FlynDicelazyguy: It seems we've had to go backwards slightly to go forward eventually
04:09:40funmanFlynDice: nope, didn't do anything more
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04:11:14lazyguywell, i dont get how it can go to a worse state, i mean, you can always revert back to the best working build right?
04:11:26FlynDiceRockbox time is very spotty for me until next week, I've got yearly training this week at work.
04:11:36FlynDicelazyguy: then revert.....
04:14:10funmanlazyguy: we can revert but we're lazy guys too
04:15:32lazyguyso how does development go? you work on the latest build?
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04:18:59funmanyes
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04:37:27lazyguyfunman, so if i were to install rockbox in c250v2, from what i'm reading, i should try the 25508 build
04:38:28funmanlazyguy: you mentioned only the Clipv2/Clip+, afaik you should use the latest c200v2 build
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04:39:07lazyguywell, i have both
04:40:04lazyguyi dunno, there's different build for each player right?
04:40:20lazyguythe thread is kind of hard to read
04:41:03funmanread http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaAMS rather
04:41:14funmanthe thread is about the development, if you don't develop it won't help much
04:41:15lazyguyoh, it's updated
04:41:41lazyguyi'm reading because the latest working build is mentioned there
04:41:59funmanwhat's wrong with the current c200v2 build?
04:42:53lazyguyno, nothing, just saying, the forum would be more updated then the wiki page
04:43:42funmanwith different content though. If you want the status check the wiki, if you want to help us with development check the forum
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04:59:25R6Vok so ipod video 4gen still works fine correct?
04:59:42funmanR6V: see www.rockbox.org
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05:00:20Antibuddhathis isnt really rockbox related, but has anyone here measured crazy dc offsets on mp3 players?
05:00:30Antibuddhai just measured 700mV while starting up the cowon q5w
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05:19:27lazyguyokay, i tried the RB on the wiki page
05:19:34lazyguyfor the c250v2
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05:19:51lazyguythe rockbox boots for like 1 second on screen
05:19:57lazyguyand it turns off
05:20:38funmanwhat does it show on screen ?
05:20:57lazyguythe logo
05:21:09lazyguyand the revision # on the bottom
05:21:12lazyguyi'm guessing
05:21:30lazyguyoh wait, i left it on hold
05:21:31lazyguylol
05:21:33lazyguysorry
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05:24:08lazyguytesting the plugins; the fireworks plugin crashes or freezes
05:24:41lazyguycant find doom demo, but i'm guessing it wont work
05:24:51funmanyes it's not even built
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05:25:35funmancompile a list of not working plugins and post it on the forum with all details (the build revision you use), perhaps ranma or bertrik will see if those work for them (they have a c200v2)
05:26:19lazyguysure
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05:34:51saratoga_it would also be nice to have a list of DSP features that ought to work but do not on the c200v2 (e.g. cuesheets are known to be broken on it)
05:35:39funmando they work on clipv1?
05:35:44saratoga_i think so
05:35:58saratoga_at least no one has complained and a lot more people use the clipv1
05:38:00saratoga_a better system for enabling non-essential rockbox features would be cool
05:38:38funmanat build time ?
05:38:43saratoga_yeah
05:39:15saratoga_that way we could more easily turn features on and off, and of course people who don't want them could compile without them
05:39:39saratoga_now its kind of a mess with some features depending on memory size and others on the config files
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07:50:18CIA-5New commit by 03pixelma (r25653): Minor corrections or updates to descriptions in the manual: 'study mode' is called 'skip length', and talk clips are not MP3 files on all targets ...
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07:55:46CIA-5New commit by 03pixelma (r25654): Correct word order in the 'puzzle mode' explanation in jewels.tex.
07:57:11pixelmabah, just realised that there is also a typo in the same line... "skilful"
07:57:44pixelmaisn't it (a) skillful and be even "skillfully"?
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08:01:26CIA-5New commit by 03ranma (r25655): workaround DBOP noise issue on C200v2 cause it's really annoying if your buttons don't work in the debug menu...
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08:33:00funmanBagder: do you need to manually update the front page each time we update index.t in svn ?
08:33:09Bagderyes
08:33:57funmanis it wanted? i guess a post commit script would be simple to do
08:34:42funmancan you update it to reflect clipv2/clip+ changes please?
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08:46:27Zagordo we have any docs regarding what wps changes make ancient themes incompatible?
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08:54:34S_a_i_n_tZagor: I don;t think so...
08:54:54ZagorI couldn't find any either
08:54:59S_a_i_n_tOne of the "more recent" theme breakers was a change to the font syntax IIRC
08:55:38S_a_i_n_tThe sysntax for font declaration now needs to include the ".fnt", that broke a lot of themes.
08:55:53S_a_i_n_ts/sysntax/syntax/
08:57:23S_a_i_n_tZagor: Do you have a theme in particular that's broken? Or just a general query?
08:57:44ZagorI got a question from someone with a 22 month old version
08:57:50JdGordonZagor: the most probably one is %pb
08:58:05JdGordonbut no, we dont keep track of breaks
08:58:19JdGordonwe being those who do the damage :p others might
08:58:37S_a_i_n_tpixelma: isn't it (a) skillful and be even "skillfully"?: yes, IIRC
08:59:56S_a_i_n_tOh......right! I forgot about %pb, yes, that and the font syntax are likely to be culprits in a 22 month old theme.
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09:01:19JdGordonfont is unlikely because almost no themes use it
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09:09:37S_a_i_n_tJdGordon: I don;t wanna come across as "The Boy Who Always Wants More"...but I was wondering about the feasability of a new set of alignment tags. I was wondering if it would be possible to have alignment tags for the volume/progress bars. Perhaps we could have them running vertically/horizontally, filling from left-to-right/right-to-left/bottom-to-top/top-to-bottom etc. I was also wondering if %bl could use progressbar type filling also...
09:09:41S_a_i_n_tSomething to think about?
09:10:58JdGordon%bl?
09:11:09JdGordonvertical bars are on the todo...
09:11:47S_a_i_n_t%bl (IIRC) is the battery level
09:13:06S_a_i_n_tVertical bars would be awesome...what about tags for the filling direction (left-to-right/right-to-left etc.)?
09:13:17S_a_i_n_t(sorry...) ;)
09:13:50JdGordonbattery level shod be damn trivial to make working (bassically copy the changes needed for pv)
09:14:03JdGordonfill direction is a bit harder (also been requested before)
09:14:43S_a_i_n_tAha...I figured fill direction would be a little harder as it also needs to change the seeking behaviour...is this correct?
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09:17:45JdGordonhttp://pastebin.com/i2wWfJTw is batt level
09:17:53JdGordonuntested obviously
09:18:05JdGordonif that works then anyone can commit it (I'm afk till tomorow night)
09:18:25pixelmaS_a_i_n_t: ok, thanks. I can't commit now here from work. If someone else, maybe a native speaker gets around that small change before - please do
09:18:27JdGordonnot seek behaviour, drawing behaviour... pretty simple to do
09:19:41S_a_i_n_tI'll have a wee play with the battery level...and post some results.
09:19:49S_a_i_n_tThanks btw ;)
09:19:58S_a_i_n_tAppreciated, muchly.
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09:23:43JdGordonmake a list of any other tags which this makes sense for
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09:24:17JdGordonif there are too many more we might be abe to do something smarter for it
09:27:23S_a_i_n_tOk, I'll attempt to do so.
09:27:46S_a_i_n_tTalk to you about it tomorrow I guess.
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09:27:59S_a_i_n_tAnd, again...thanks man. ;)
09:28:06S_a_i_n_tJdGordon: ^
09:28:57*petur is wondering about the CF compatibility reports on taperssection. Card boots fine but recording says disk is full.
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09:31:48funmanBagder: have you seen my questions at 8:34 ?
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09:36:20pixelmapetur: maybe those are detected as read-only for some reason?
09:36:39peturhmmm interesting.
09:37:46peturthey work fine via USB. I'll ask if they can create a file another way (save config,...)
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09:51:47gevaertsS_a_i_n_t: the "old" font syntax has only existed for a few days
09:53:02linuxstbpetur: Is that just one person, or many? What does the "disk info" screen say? I think you can also update the "disk usage" info from that screen.
09:54:23peturlinuxstb: there are several reporting this, and disk usage says the card is almost completely empty. A disk rescan was the first thing I suggested, but they already tried that too, didn't help.
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09:54:43peturatm they just go and buy another brand of card until it works
09:55:03linuxstbWeird...
09:55:30linuxstbMaybe that's a Rockbox bug though - displaying the wrong error message.
09:55:39peturcould be
09:55:59funman"recording says disk is full" <- it can reflect other problems in recording
09:56:18peturI 'll see if one of them can be bothered to mail me such a card
09:56:26funmanfor example on c200v2 where the record buffer is too large to fit
09:56:59peturbugger... taperssection not reachable.. wtf
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09:57:25peturan now it's back again... weird
09:57:27linuxstbpetur: Works for me...
09:59:32S_a_i_n_tJust *slightly* more than "a few days...", but yes, I forgot it came in with multifont.
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10:00:37gevaertsok, two and a half weeks
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10:19:38pamauryDoes anyone here develop driver for windows ?
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10:38:27Coyotehi all
10:39:56CoyoteI'm trying to make a build with logf enabled, but the generated build doesn't boot
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10:41:21CoyoteIt freezes on the screen with the rockbox logo
10:42:45Coyoteis there something else to be done after configuring the build to log and adding #define LOGF_ENABLE to the src file I want to look at ?
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10:43:00linuxstbCoyote: What device are you running Rockbox on?
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10:43:45linuxstbBut no, there shouldn't be anything else to do.
10:45:46Coyoteit's an h300
10:46:34Coyotejust to be sure, I made a normal build wich worked flawlessly
10:47:37*linuxstb has no idea then
10:49:10Coyotethe 2 src I tried to get log from are buffering and playback
10:49:51CoyoteI tried to put the define in the .c or .h but exactly the same happened
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10:54:13linuxstbDoes your code have any other modifications? What happens if you try a logf build, but without LOGF_ENABLE defined anywhere?
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10:55:42Coyoteyep a few modification but not on these file (button action & remote display for buffering debug screen)
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10:56:22Coyotea clean logf build works creatly (but obviously doesn't log anything ^^
10:56:36linuxstbThis is clean, but with your local changes?
10:57:10Coyoteyep
10:57:54linuxstbI think I would try unmodified SVN, but with logf enabled in some files. Just to be sure your local changes aren't the cause.
10:58:10linuxstbAnd if it crashes then, then file a bug report.
10:58:57Coyoteok, I'll do that this evening
10:59:27Coyoteas i'm at work not and can't svn to workaround that *** proxy
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11:00:15Coyoteif someone was kind enough to give me a link to an archive of the svn, I could do it sooner though :)
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11:02:18linuxstbCoyote: There isn't one...
11:03:33CoyoteI kno
11:03:40Coyoteknow*
11:03:47Coyotethat's why I asked someone to be kind ;) didn't mean to be rash or anything
11:04:09S_a_i_n_tHmmmm...has anyone ever noticed that if you hold down seek (or fastforward, whatever you wanna call it) that it keeps seeking boyond the currently playing tack, but the playlist position/currently playing track info doesn't update until you release the seek button?
11:04:09ranmaCoyote: taring now...
11:04:15S_a_i_n_tThat seems like a bug to me.
11:04:34S_a_i_n_ts/boyond/beyond/
11:05:02Coyoteranma: thanks a lot!
11:07:16S_a_i_n_tBut, I wonder which part is the buggy part...I mean, should it a: stop seeking when it hits the end of the currently playing track, or b: update the playlist position/now playing track info?
11:07:23S_a_i_n_tAny ideas anyone?
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11:11:30ranmaCoyote: ranma/rockbox-svn-vanilla-20100416.tar.bz2">http://uguu.de/~ranma/rockbox-svn-vanilla-20100416.tar.bz2
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11:14:02Coyotethat was fast! thanks a lot
11:14:28CoyoteI'll try as soon as I finished to download the vmware stuff
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11:31:32gevaertsCoyote: there's a git mirror that's accessible over http
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11:36:55Coyoteit's the part you can access form the svn part on the front page?
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13:33:44piotrekmhello
13:39:49linuxstbpiotrekm: Hi.
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13:41:42piotrekmis the author of the rockbox logo here? I'm making an iLoader theme and would like to use the very violin key graphic, and thus would like to get it insted of trying to extract it from the bmp. (I assume it's also on a GPL license?)
13:41:51piotrekm*instead
13:42:37BagderI don't think we have anything but bitmap versions of the logo
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13:43:25Bagderor is there a vector version somewhere?
13:43:33piotrekmthat would be great
13:44:04wodzIs there anyone with coldfire based DAP at hand?
13:46:07Coyotewodz: I have an h300 right here
13:46:51wodzcould You play some mp3 or ogg than go to System->Debug->View buffering thread and tell me what frequency You have?
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13:49:07Coyotelinuxstb: the logf build I just made with the help of ranma just froze on the logo screen
13:49:13Coyotei'll file a bug report
13:49:20piotrekmoh, there is an svg - http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/rbutil/rbutilqt/icons/rockbox-clef.svg
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13:52:55Coyotewodz: just give a sec
13:55:09Coyote124 mHz, allways boosted...
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13:55:45*Coyote hopes it only a display bug ^^
13:57:04wodzCoyote: have You tried few types of files?
13:58:21Coyotesorry, I only have mp3
13:58:46Coyotecan try to find diferent bitrates tough
13:59:19wodzhttp://download.rockbox.org/test_files/
13:59:29wodzthere are different test files
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14:00:07wodzpleas try a few + It would be nice If You could try wav file as well
14:01:02Coyotehmm
14:01:06Coyotejust tried to skip
14:01:18Coyote& the cpu freq went back to normal
14:01:28Coyote(45 MhZ)
14:04:00Coyoteafter a restart, the fisrt song play @ 124MHz
14:04:44LloreanIs it still buffering at that point?
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14:05:46Coyoteafter it finished buffering, it's still at full speed
14:06:21Coyotefor a few 10s
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14:08:05Coyoteit's goning unboost just 1-2s before the main lcd goes dark
14:12:55wodzand does it remains unboosted than?
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14:19:24Coyoteit seems that way
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14:27:26kugelwow, has anyone recently tried crossfeed in a sim?
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14:27:32kugelpretty broken
14:27:35wodzperfectdrug: ping
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14:29:16Coyotewodz: from what I see, it's getting boosted while buffering & ~5s after
14:29:20perfectdrugwodz: hi, i just read your comment
14:29:31Coyoteand while it's playing it's unboosted
14:29:51wodzperfectdrug: I just want to say I like Your graphics :-)
14:30:24perfectdrugthanks for the comment, feedback is very necessary as I don't own this player, button descriptions are easy to change
14:31:45perfectdrugI'm not sure if we describe the reset-hole though
14:32:01perfectdrugpixelma?
14:32:36perfectdrug(we are talking about the svg graphics for the manual
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14:35:54pixelmanot yet, though I remember some discussion quite some time ago. IIRC it was deemed a good idea and I even started it but then couldn't decide where to stop... there are reset holes, microphone holes, headphone jack, USB etc...
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14:37:06perfectdrugI think reset may be usefull and maybe USB, thinking of the h300 with 2 USBs
14:37:06wodzreset is technically speaking a button (very special but still)
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14:38:55perfectdrugok I have to go I come back later, wodz so I think it is no problem to add reset in the svg for this new target and add it to others maybe sometime later, question is if it is referenced in the manual
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14:44:14wodzHonestly I don't understand the origin of massive boosts... If I benchmark codecs I get result comparable with other coldfires, if I play mp3/ogg files I have many boosts, if I play wav I have boost only when buffering
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14:44:33wodzthis doesn't make sense to me
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14:47:09Lloreanwodz: You said the CPU use seems to be high even for WAV though - just barely skirting the edge of boosting
14:47:23LloreanHave you tried lowering the CPU speed to see if you can determine how much CPU time is spent just for UI stuff?
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14:48:24CoyoteI tried the 192 wma from the link you gave me earlier
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14:48:51LloreanAs well, since decode is fast but playback is not, could your audio driver be buggy somehow? Wasting time somewhere?
14:48:54Coyoteafter buffering, it goes unboosted - boosted - unboosted ...
14:49:30kugeljhMikeS: ping
14:50:09kugelah, nevermind. io priority was added just recently
14:51:15wodzLlorean: audio driver is shared between all CF targets
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14:51:29wodzI mean sending samples to the codec
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14:55:54pixelmawodz (perfectdrug): about the reset hole, I believe if it is important for the player it is at least described in the text part (e.g. there is a reset hole on the X5/M5 but it also has hard poweroff, so for them it is not very important)
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16:10:07Lloreanpamaury: It's under "Other devices" in device manager now, instead.
16:10:10pamauryLlorean: strange, can you make windows select the usb audio driver
16:10:27pamauryOr try to disable HID
16:10:44LloreanHID is disabled
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16:11:19Llorean"This device cannot start. (Code 10)"
16:11:26pamaurygrrr
16:12:36Lloreanpamaury: http://pastebin.ca/1863317 is the logf dump, if it'll help
16:12:38pamauryunder Win 7 ?
16:12:42LloreanYes, Win7 32-bit
16:13:27pamauryPerhaps Win7 wants an interface association thing. Can you have a look in the device manager to see what it reports ?
16:15:05LloreanWhat am I looking for exactly?
16:15:43pamauryIn the menu, ask it to display by "connection" and tell what is device tree under Rockbox device
16:16:31LloreanI see USB Root Hub -> USB Audio Device
16:16:45LloreanI don't see anything under the audio device
16:18:07pamauryok, so it's correctly detected but doesn't start and rasher can't play sound either (and I can't). So there must be something wrong somewhere else. I noticed that I can change the volume, can you try to change the volume of the audio device and check it does something in logf screen ?
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16:20:22Lloreanpamaury: How can I change its volume? It doesn't show up in playback devices.
16:20:36pamauryAh, then you can't I fear :)
16:21:09pamauryAnyway, don't bother with this, there is something wrong with playback, at least under windows, I need to figure out what it is
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16:23:05LloreanOn Vista it behaves the same as on my Win7 machine
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16:31:34ranmaved: I'd say microsd will likely use about the same powerwise, but I haven't benchmarked microsd vs internal flash on my c200v2 yet. Depends on how much standby current the internal flash uses, which you of course can't really turn off.
16:32:40ranmaThe hw setup is pretty comparable, one flash chip + one flash controller + the uc sd interface (the internal flash is also presented as SD and not as a raw flash chip)
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17:07:01sinthetekok, i got around to verifying the text reader problem i've been encountering is not the result of file or fs corruption
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17:10:43rasherpamaury: Maybe it's the same issue, and Vista/7 just notices it on init, rather than when trying to play something
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17:12:22pamauryrasher: I don't know, and until I test it myself with a real windows that will be hard. Under virtualbox, I sniff usb traffic and isochronous transfers are launched on windows but under linux, wireshark report no iso transfers so there is something wrong...
17:12:40vedranma: tnx
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17:21:18pamauryI tried under windows myself and I don't get any iso transfer so there could be a problem with the usb driver but to be sure I would need to develop a program under windows to test it and the problem is that I don't have a windows setup with programming stuff and don't really want to have one :)
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17:22:52pamauryWho is developping under Windows here ? Does someone know how (if it's possible) to trigger usb transfers under windows from user land ?
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17:40:11GodEaterpamaury: I think amiconn is your best bet there
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18:06:25rom1dephi there ! I was an happy possessor of a rockboxed iPod 5G and then I decided to format it using gparted.. I thought I could be able to reinstall RB properly but now even iTunes can't restore it.. has someone already encountered this ?
18:07:23gevaertsDoes it show anything on the screen?
18:08:17ranmaHmm, how can the pcm buffer be completely filled, but pcmbuf_unplayed_bytes is 0?
18:08:34rom1depgevaerts: asks to be pluged onto a computer to be restored by iTunes
18:09:28rom1dep"Connect to your computer.\nUse iTunes to restore."
18:10:06gevaertsI don't know then. I'm not *that* familiar with ipods. Someone else might know more...
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18:12:18rom1depgevaerts: I formated creating a new partition table and then formatting the whole disc into fat32... maybe a wrong partition table then ? any idea about what the correct one could be ?
18:12:53gevaertsrom1dep: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IpodManualRestore might provide some help
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18:13:44rom1dephumm, I missed it thanks ! I try and feedback
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18:21:11chrisbis there anything wrong with loading copies of the same song with ogg,mp3 and flac versions to compare?
18:21:26chrisbsong.mp3, song.ogg song.flac?
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19:04:19ollebechrisb: i see no reason why it would fail... i've tried that with stock firmware.
19:04:40chrisbollebe: ok
19:07:25adnyxoi need some help with installing rockbox on my clip v1
19:08:35adnyxohttp://pastebin.com/kXZRgvj7
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19:12:42pixelmadid anyone else find the FSM theme (announced on the forums) an the theme site familiar? I was sure I saw it before and found it listed on the wps gallery pages (http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/WpsIpod5g) but the screenshots are gone. Going by the wiki and the forum user name it's probably by the same guy. The interesting thing is that before in the wiki he mentioned using art from venganza.org and licensed his theme under a CC-BY-NC-SA license which
19:12:42pixelma is also what I find at venganza.org and thought is not compatible with CC-BY-SA because it adds restrictions
19:13:59perfectdrugi definately saw this theme before
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19:14:41FlynDiceadnyxo: did you make mkamsboot yet?
19:16:33pixelmaperfectdrug: my question is, if he still uses the graphics from this site: http://www.venganza.org/ and if so - what http://www.venganza.org/license.htm means for it
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19:23:53ranmaadvcomp2019_: Try "chmod 755 mkamsboot" to make it executable
19:24:27ranmaadvcomp2019_: Sorry, meant adnyxo, but he already quit...
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19:30:41perfectdrugpixelma: the monster is from http://itchstudios.com/psg/ who writes: "The Flying Spaghetti Monster which I painted (yeah yeah, Michelangelo too) is pretty much free to use for press and such as far as I'm concerned" a little vague, i don know if CC-BY-NC-SA is compatible with CC-BY-SA though.
19:32:00FlynDiceranma: I've got a dead clip+ 2GB that may possibly respond to your JTAG magic. Are you interested or does it find it's way to the landfill...?
19:33:09gevaertsperfectdrug: NC is definitely not compatible with non-NC
19:34:08ranmaFlynDice: I'm definitely interested.
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20:20:45ollebeseems i actually can do some useful work on rockbox after all. :)
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20:21:06ollebefixed a few really annoying bugs in an emulator
20:21:39ollebeemuriver, written by Tomek for iriver IFP. do you think it could be added to svn?
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20:25:30ollebedo you have any other ARM emulator you're using for reverse-engineering or is emuriver the only one?
20:26:50B4gderwe don't normally use any emulator at all
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20:28:26ollebeok. i guess it's ok to upload patches to the wiki anyway.
20:29:00pixelmathe place for patches is in the patch tracker usually :)
20:29:10B4gderif we can make it (more) useful, I'm sure people will like it
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20:29:32ollebepixelma: but it's not in svn?
20:33:55GodEaterollebe: newbies get to post to the patch tracker until we're convinced of the quality of their work. Then they get invited to get svn access.
20:34:13GodEaterthe better your work, the quicker that happens usually
20:34:48ollebeGodEater: i understand that, but this emulator is not in the repository, therefore SVN access won't help in patching it
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20:36:53GodEaterbut there's nothing stopping you submitting it as a patch
20:37:06GodEaterthe patch just won't modify any existing files
20:37:19ollebegood point. i'll do so.
20:38:02ollebeit would be great to make it emulate more ARM players than just iriver iFP though
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20:38:51GodEatersure, and I'm sure it'll generate some interest from others of a like mind
20:39:39B4gderwouldn't basing something like that on qemu or similar be a better idea?
20:40:01jarda-wienhello, I may have bricked my sandisk sansa clip+ with rockbox today. I did everything the wiki stated and managed to boot rockbox.
20:40:24ollebeideally it should have been done three years ago or so, but better late than never
20:40:26jarda-wienlater on I switched the player off and from then, I can't seem to do anything with it
20:40:33FlynDicejarda-wien: Have you pressed and held the pwr button for 20 secs?
20:40:50ollebeb4gder: maybe it would. idk.
20:41:49jarda-wienFlynDice: ok that did the trick!
20:42:35FlynDicejarda-wien: Almost always does.. That's a hard reset
20:42:53jarda-wienFlynDice: could you explain what it does? I have no experience with rockbox... but I have a lot with flashing phones, mainly sony ericcson and various routers with openwrt...
20:43:39jarda-wienFlynDice: a hard reset with a palm t3 restored the image from rom, so if you didn't touch it, everything would be fine
20:43:51gevaertsjarda-wien: it just turns off the player
20:44:18jarda-wienFlynDice: fdisk reports some weird partitioning on the player, so I guess there is no rom, but some special hidden partition on the internal flash
20:45:13ollebeenwp: QEMU emulates the armv5tej instruction set and all the derivative processors
20:45:31jarda-wienFlynDice: honestly I got a little bit scared, Is it safe or shall I rather use the OF until rockbox goes stable on this device?
20:45:40FlynDicejarda-wien: If the player is stuck in a loop somewhere it resets the hardware so it boots up again... ie hardware reset
20:46:19ollebeb4gder: that should be better than emuriver considering emuriver seems quite slow
20:46:53FlynDiceI cannot promise you it is "safe" but it is highly unlikely to brick your player running unmodified SVN
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20:48:55jarda-wienFlynDice: well I understand the risks with using alternate firmwares, but if the state is that svn doesn't brick, then I am ok with it. Anyway, thanks for the hardreset tip!!!
20:51:56ThomasAHjarda-wien: I tried probably 20-30 different svn revisions on the clip+ and it is still not bricked :)
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20:52:23ThomasAHjarda-wien: svn r25416 works quite good for me
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21:23:37saratogaollebe: having an emulator would be nice, if you want to work on it you should submit the patch
21:25:18ollebesaratoga: i'll submit a patch for the IFP emulator, but i can't say what emulator i'll work on in the future, if any.
21:26:00saratogaollebe: how much can the emulator run right now?
21:26:07ollebeat least on my system these two small bugfixes boosted the speed about 5 times or so :s
21:26:32ollebesaratoga: iriver ifp 790, 795 and 799 it has been said.
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21:26:56saratogabut what does it run? the original firmware or rockbox or both?
21:27:49ollebeoh. i've only tried with OF, with varying success, but i suppose the rockbox branch for ifp has been developed with this emulator
21:28:03ollebei should try.
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21:30:33pixelmathe ifp port hasn't been touched for quite some time though, but it would sure be nice if it could get some attention again :)
21:31:04ollebei have no IFP, so i wont do that
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21:32:06pixelmawouldn't trying in an emulator be potentially helpful?
21:34:35ollebewell, the ifp port doesn't seem to even compile. or something. error: ‘PITCH_SPEED_PRECISION’ undeclared
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21:35:08ollebei really have to eat breakfast/lunch/dinner, bbl
21:35:14ollebe>.<
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21:41:45Devlynwhat folder do i copy music to to add it to rockbox?
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21:42:10kugelany
21:42:45Devlynso just copy it to the root dir?
21:43:01kugelthat works yes
21:43:02Horschtwherever you want
21:43:13Horschtyou can make your own folder structure if you want
21:43:15Devlynhow do i refresh the database then?
21:43:41kugelthrough the database settings
21:44:22Horschtputting the files into a folder named "music" on the device root seems like a nice and clean sollution, btw
21:45:09Devlyni can't find the stuff i have saved on it at all in explorer?
21:45:25Horschtwhere did you put "the stuff"?
21:45:48Devlynin my nose
21:45:49Devlynjk
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21:46:53Devlynno idea. apparently its hidden
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21:47:40pixelmawhat player are you talking about and how did you copy it over?
21:48:11Devlynok found that
21:53:18Devlynthink i have it fixed. thnx
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22:04:53CIA-5New commit by 03alle (r25656): Fix typo and correct punctuation
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22:50:48perfectdrugI just saw the recent rbutil commit, there is a typo too when you start the util without a player connected it says "Ausgewähltes Gerät: Gerä_R_ / Einhängeüunkt unbekannt"
22:51:26perfectdrugerm Gerär < is wrong not Einhängepunkt;)
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23:14:34q0_0panyone know what the purpose of this firmware update?
23:14:34q0_0phttp://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SamsungZ5#Introduction
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