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#rockbox log for 2010-04-23

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04:24:29FullmetalI have a sansa e200. I have tried everything to get it to play a midi file. I cannot remember how I did it before, but now when I play it it says error opening "instrument[].pat" where [] is a weird block character sorta like when a computer cannot display a language. How do I geet it to work?
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05:05:04RandomInsanoAre there any better decompilers other than disarm? I've used it and it might be the nature of assembly code, but I have no idea what's data and what's instructions.
05:06:33RandomInsanoWell, the nature of compiled code. But shouldn't code come first, and data thrown at the end somewheres.
05:08:37hobbstelling code from data requires knowing something about the format all those bits are stored in. What are you actually inspecting? Is it something objdump can read?
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05:08:52RandomInsanoI have no idea :)
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05:09:29RandomInsanoI have a firmware file that can run on my Insignia player using tcctool, so I assume it's full firmware
05:10:42RandomInsanoI'm pretty much trying to find anything that can hint at the hardware config for the screen. I need to make a hello world app after all :P
05:11:18RandomInsanoRealize that I've never build firmware for arm, and I've done some Atmel AVR programming.
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05:17:44RandomInsanoObjdump claims the file format is not recognized.
05:18:37RandomInsanoASM reads the similar as to what's written in the TelechipsInfo page describing the firmware header.
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05:56:27tmzt_RandomInsano: try -b binary in objdump, though you'll need a few other options to make it acutally work
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06:04:47RandomInsano-b it is.
06:07:28RandomInsano'Invalid bfd target. Used switches -bxs
06:07:58tmzt_uh sorry
06:08:33RandomInsanoIt's my error. 'Invaid bfd target'. Forgot to end my quote
06:08:42tmzt_ok
06:08:57RandomInsano-xs should give all headers, and display the full contents
06:08:59tmzt_also -EL and set -m correctly
06:10:55RandomInsano-m would be 'arm' I'm assuming
06:12:16RandomInsanoNo man page for arm-elf-objdump specifically. I should probably look at the one for standard objdump
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06:17:37RandomInsanoNow feeding it the following:
06:17:38RandomInsano./arm-elf-objdump -ELbxs −−architecture=elf32-bigarm <path to binary rom>
06:17:38RandomInsanoyeilds more help, but that's about all.
06:18:06RandomInsanoNot very helpful error output if you ask me
06:19:29RandomInsanotmzt_: My arm core is arm945, I dont see arm9 in the list of supported targets
06:29:37RandomInsanoSince this is straight firmware, I'm going to assume that objdump can't help me at the moment and move on.
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09:26:18linuxstbtmzt_: "arm-elf-objdump -D -b binary -m arm" is what RandomInsano needed. Hopefully he'll come back....
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12:45:38pamaurygevaerts: to improve "user experience" of the MTP code, I think it would be good to have a way to select the VID/PID of the device, at least for devices that have a different PID on UMS and MTP mode. What do you think ? Are you against ? I think there was a discussion once about allow VID/PID changing
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12:47:08rasherpamaury shouldn't we just use what the OF uses?
12:47:29pamauryyes that's what I propose, but it means changing the usb code
12:48:05pamaury(and #ifdef the code even more :)
12:48:59wodzI wonder why the hell OF of MPIO passes FM signal to PGA set at -9dB first and than amplifies signal at output stage
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12:50:33pamauryperhaps the PGA doesn't work for signals that are too amplified (/me doesn't know what a PGA is however)
12:50:38rasherSurely just set MTP_VID in the config file and use those if set and in MTP mode?
12:50:49wodzPGA = programmable gain amplifier
12:51:03rasherOr a more reasonable define name, of course
12:51:57pamauryI plan to define USB_PRODUCT_ID_MTP in config files, and then if it's defined and usb driver enabled, use it in dev desc, sounds reasonable
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12:52:42rasherSounds perfectly sane to me
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12:56:05*pamaury takes this as a confirmation that he is (relatively) sane :)
12:56:50linuxstbpamaury: What do you mean by "a way to select" ? Are you just talking about #defines in config files, or a way for the end-user to select?
12:57:24GodEaterTorne: BTW, my ipod turned itself off in midtune this morning. Not sure if this is a bootloader or rockbox build issue though. Was left with the "out of battery" after image on the screen (which shouldn't happen any more right?)
12:57:47TorneGodEater: i can't see how it could be the bootloader's fault
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12:57:55GodEaterI'm not sure what happened then
12:58:05Torneand, er, which build of rockbox is it?
12:58:10Torneare you using the new shutdown change then?
12:58:20GodEaterhmm - I was
12:58:26GodEaterthat been commited now?
12:58:32GodEateror should I still be using your patched build?
12:59:15*GodEater is going to run out for lunch now, will keep his ipod testing whilst walking...
12:59:18GodEaterbbiab
12:59:25pamaurylinuxstb: I was unclear, the user doesn't select it, the code does
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13:01:54TorneI've not committed it, no
13:06:46*domonoky welcomes wodz as a rockbox dev :-)
13:08:08wodz:-)
13:09:10perfectdrugwodz: is the play/stop actually play/pause?
13:09:13S_a_i_n_t_\0/
13:09:31gevaertspamaury: I'm undecided to be honest
13:10:28pamaurygevaerts: why ? Under windows, it's a pain to use the same VID/PID pair because the configuration is static, once you plug it in UMS mode, it will use UMS code unless you uninstall the device
13:10:55gevaertspamaury: yes, I know. If it weren't for stupid hosts I'd be firmly against :)
13:11:33wodzperfectdrug: I think yes
13:11:51gevaertsIn other words, I seriously don't like the idea, but there are problems that I don't see another solution for
13:11:56pamaurygevaerts: true, I never understood why windows is so static but vendors usually assign a special pair for mtp mode and libmtp uses this pair in its database for example
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13:12:21rashergevaerts: what's the downside
13:12:38domonokyusing extra usb-ids also helps rbutil to detect the target in mtp mode ansd warns the user.
13:12:44gevaertspamaury: see also http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=24360.0
13:12:57pamauryIf the world was working properly, there would be no stupid Os descritors for windows, no stupid PID/VID pair for it, Windows would even follow its own specifications !
13:13:09gevaertsrasher: taste, mainly
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13:13:26pamaurygevaerts: yes, but I don't want to let the user select. If mtp driver is enabled -> mtp vid, if not -> normal vid
13:14:04rashergevaerts: I'd say taste must give way for the real world
13:14:19gevaertsrasher: yes, I know. That's why I'm not firmly against :)
13:14:44gevaertspamaury: we need a solution for people who're stuck with that sort of car adapter too
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13:15:51pamauryisn't that an orthogonal problem ?
13:16:07gevaertsyes and no
13:16:18gevaertsIt's also solved by changing VID/PID
13:17:35pamauryyes, but (1) the solution to this problem is a general way to override VID/PID, (2) the "solution" to the mtp problem is to select between two, well-defined VID/PID pair. If you do (1) after (2), there are orthogonal problems
13:17:57pamauryFurthermore, (1) is manuel (2) is automatic
13:18:36gevaertsIt depends on what level you're looking. From the firmware/ point of view, it's exactly the same :)
13:18:44*gevaerts doesn't care about apps/!
13:19:55pamauryYes but the difference that (1) requires to solve the problem "what do we allow" whereas (2) has no problem
13:20:47gevaertsWhich I think means that we should concentrate on (1), since (2) is trivial
13:21:27*gevaerts doesn't have time for that right now, but he's sure that people can do a good job without him
13:21:39perfectdrugwodz: so the ff/rew/select is not a slidebutton but a joy as of a round thing that you can rotate up, down and press in the normal position kind of like the iriver remotes http://tinyurl.com/zbnp8p ? do you think I should change the buttongeometry to something more round?
13:21:40pamauryYes but (2) is part of MTP, it requires special treatement but we have to use the ids assigned by vendors. (1) is a philosophical problem
13:21:47pamaury*s/but/because
13:22:21pamauryI personally doesn't see any problem is letting the user override VID/PID.
13:23:43gevaertsThe challenge is to find a way to let them do it in a way that's easy and convenient for those who need it, without being so easy and convenient that people do it just because the setting is there
13:24:29pamauryHuh, ...contradiction !
13:24:42gevaertsno, challenge :)
13:25:08pamauryThat's a GUI problem !
13:26:22wodzperfectdrug: yes ff/select/rew is kind of joy but You can not rotate it. You can push it up pull down or press in neutral position
13:26:42pamauryI would say that the solution is easy: put it in a subsubsubsubsubsubsubusbsubsubsubmenu, user don't read manual anyway :)
13:27:51S_a_i_n_t_Put the VID/PID selection settings in "Debug: (Keep Out!)", users *totally* respect the "keep out" part ;)
13:28:25pamauryThat would require a special build to let them access the debug menu
13:29:02gevaertsS_a_i_n_t_: no
13:29:17gevaertsIt's a setting, and it should be persistent
13:29:24*S_a_i_n_t_ was being just a *weeee* bit sarcastic...
13:29:48pamauryWhy can't it just be a setting ? Users probably don't know what a VID/PID is, they won't touch it
13:30:15S_a_i_n_t_Users fiddle with EVERY setting...just because they can.
13:30:32S_a_i_n_t_It's the "Hmmmm, I wonder what 'X' does" mentality.
13:30:51pamauryI would say, put a splash screen saying "Don't do this, this will create a blackhole" :)
13:31:34pamauryOr call the setting "Special car mode"
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13:31:50pamauryUsers won't use this out of their car, they are not *that* stupid
13:32:00gevaertsyou don't know that
13:32:23pamauryAnd by the way, you can't prevent them to a setting once it's present :/
13:32:25gevaertsThis particular braindead thing happens to be a car audio thing, but the next one could just as well be a TV
13:32:28*S_a_i_n_t_ has met some /pretty/ stupid people in his time.
13:32:30pamaury*s/to/from
13:32:44gevaertsbut yes, possibly just a standard setting would be best
13:33:37pamauryLook at the contradiction: if you make it a special setting, users will use it, if you make it a normal setting, users will use it, but there are some many of them that they will probably miss it unless they are looking for it
13:33:59*gevaerts leaves the discussion. He has to concentrate on other things
13:34:06n1swhat do you mean by special setting?
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13:34:38pamauryIf you make everything that is possible to hide it, it's a kind of special setting, so user will use it
13:35:19S_a_i_n_t_It's a magic setting, one that automagically just does whatever you want it to ;)
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13:35:33n1syou say that if it's hard to find, *more* people will use it?
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13:36:34*wodz listens to signal comming from line-in input on his MPIO :-)
13:38:25pamauryn1s: that what I think. You have to put it somewhere. Developpers are sensible so they'll put in a menu that makes sense (well, a bit), so users will find it, and seeing it's a alone and hidden, will try it
13:38:48*n1s wonders how many people use the custom playlist dir path setting for example
13:38:48n1sthat one is *hard* to find
13:38:49n1sor at least it was, might be easier now
13:39:42pamaurywhere it is/was ?
13:39:43S_a_i_n_t_heh, yeah...it is a little hard to find.
13:39:59S_a_i_n_t_I just set the playlist dir through the config file ;)
13:40:04S_a_i_n_t_easier :P
13:40:17n1spamaury: i think a regular setting is best, the manual could say what it does, is it harmful in any way to change it?
13:40:37pamauryNo but gevaerts doesn't like the idea of letting user choose it
13:41:14n1syeah, but we either let the user choose or we don't, hiding the setting doesn't change that
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13:41:24pamauryThat's my point
13:41:41pamauryI don't see the point in hidding it
13:41:42n1sso why hide the setting then?
13:41:47gevaertspamaury: true, but I don't see a way to avoid it, so that dislike doesn't count
13:42:06pamauryThen where is the problem ?
13:42:15n1spamaury: maybe i misunderstood you
13:43:05pamauryn1s: it's gevaerts's idea ! I don't want to hide it but gevaerts suggests to make it hard to find it
13:43:52gevaertspamaury: Did I?
13:44:48pamauryI think you did, implicitely !
13:45:06gevaertsI want to avoid people playing with it if they don't know what they're doing, but that certainly does not have to mean "hard to find"
13:46:43pamauryOk, so let's agree to a thing then. We can put it in system/ settings, now the question is what do we allow ? Allow the user to write it entirely ?
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14:14:56B4gderyay for wodz, committer #90
14:15:14perfectdrug1the mpio button map is really cluttered, suggestions wodz and others? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/283924/text5002.png (reset is still missing for now)
14:18:04perfectdrug1s/button map/buttonlabels
14:20:28n1swodz: congratulations!
14:20:53wodzperfectdrug1: looks ok for me
14:21:03wodzn1s: thx
14:23:08perfectdrug1wodz: you said stop is pause, has the mpio no stop? or is pause stop and the image as is is right
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14:53:09pixelmahmm... perfectdrug left - if you read the logs, maybe you can have a look at the Iaudio M3 (and the Iaudio remote) for the rocker switch things. Also I think that the font could be a bit smaller
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15:02:33funmanwodz: congratulations!
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15:05:11kugelwodz: welcome \☺/
15:06:41*pamaury is disgusted, Microsoft seem to own two patents on the way to make a usb device report as a MTP device under Windows XP ! That could be problematic, some people for libmtp, linux-embedded, ... Perhaps USB-IF can help
15:06:45pamaurygevaerts: ^
15:07:03pamaury*some people from ... at looking at this issue
15:07:10pamaury*are
15:07:32funmanpamaury: patents shouldn't be a problem for rockbox
15:07:55Zagorpamaury: read the patents. the devil is in the details.
15:08:11pamauryDon't know, there a problem for the mtp implementation as a gadget under Linux, that's why I reported them the patents when I found them
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15:09:21pamauryZagor: the patents are exactly covering the os descriptors thing. I'm not a lawyer and I'm not used to reading patents. But perhaps the people I cited before can found out
15:11:45pamauryTo me they can't be valid, the whole thing uses the standard way of retrieving string descriptors, that's an obvious conflict with the usb specification, I doubt USB-IF would agree with it, I'm pretty sure signing microsoft sign an usb agreement preventing that kind of things
15:12:02pamauryWhat should I do about it ? Use it anyway ?
15:12:17pamaury*-signing (I can't write correctly today)
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15:12:40Zagorhere's a nice description how to read patents: http://news.swpat.org/2010/03/transcript-tridgell-patents/
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15:13:38pamauryYeah I know it but the site I found only has a crappy pdf version available for free, I don't want to read 30 pages of it
15:13:52funmanisn't it alleged that audio (and video) codecs use patented algorithms anwyay?
15:15:10pamauryI'm just trying to make people aware of that point, if you don't mind, then I'll continue to use it
15:17:04kugelsoftware patens don't apply in the EU IIUC
15:17:33kugelpatents too
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15:23:51funmanLuca_S: did you measure (even roughly) battery life on fuzev2 ?
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15:26:57gcdshello
15:27:31gcdsi have one problem with uart and ipod color
15:27:55gcdsi modified source that on main function sends COOL to uart
15:28:01gcdsbut i dont receive it...
15:28:06funmanif the OF on Sansa AMS (v1) doesn't use the external memory during playback, then I think we won't be able to ever outperform it for battery life
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15:28:30Luca_Sfunman: it is comparable with OF when unboosted. i did a bench sometime ago, let me find it again
15:28:48funmanLuca_S: ok so it's the same than Clip+
15:29:40funmanit's weird since the AMSv2 have more IRAM
15:30:22funmanthe only 'libraries' using DRAM in the OF are usb, otg, one of the drm libs (probably the one related to MTP transfer), and the "aud" decoder
15:31:29Luca_SLuca_S FuzeV2 battery bench ended. lame_128.mp3 played in loop for 17 hrs 50 minutes :)
15:31:31funmanit's for 'Audible' files (I think it's DRM'd files)
15:31:43funmanok
15:32:29funmanI like this idea of not using DRAM in the OF because it's a good explanation, and I don't like it because I wouldn't know how to avoid it :/
15:32:41pamauryit's using DSP for all other files ?
15:33:25funmanpamaury: no, there's a loadable decoder for each file type (mp3, "ogg", "fla" for flac, wma ..)
15:33:42Luca_Sas a sidenote, nowadays I always force boost to play music (for stability) and while i didn't measure accurately the runtime, it roughly seems the same as when unboosted.
15:33:49funmanon Fuzev2 the audible decoder is loaded in DRAM (0x30....), but all others are loaded to IRAM (0x00...)
15:34:43funmanLuca_S: interesting, if there's no major loss of runtime then we should use the less complex solution (CPU scaling is only here for battery life after all)
15:35:41funmanpamaury: amsinfo (in utils/AMS/hacking) will tell you the base address of each library block for a given OF file (it will also extract each library to a file)
15:36:03Luca_Smaybe it's worth a shot. what should I comment to make a build without cpu scaling? i could bench it in the weekend
15:36:35funmancomment "#define HAVE_ADJUSTABLE_CPU_FREQ" in firmware/export/config/sansafuzev2.h
15:36:56funmanon fuzev2 the difference would be less than on clips because the unboosted CPU freq is higher
15:37:59Luca_Sdo I need to update the bootloader? i'm still using the very first one (the one linked in the forum thread)
15:38:22funmanno
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15:46:06CIA-5New commit by 03jethead71 (r25698): i.MX31: Add some enums and a couple helper functions to make dealing with pin muxing and pad configuration a bit more sane. Convert any existing code ...
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15:48:18gcdsso anyone can help my
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16:03:31linuxstbgcds: I don't think many people have worked with the UART. Also, you are not giving us much information, apart from "I tried something, and it didn't work.".
16:04:16gcdsfirst i checked under drivers/serial.c found function what outputs to uart and used it in main loop after root_menu
16:04:36gcdsi just get some byte then booting but none signal after boot...
16:05:34gcdsi planning to make communication with my project like control pod but i cant get uart to output something...
16:06:20linuxstbI don't know the UART code, but is there an initialisation function to call? I don't even know for sure if the UART works on the ipod color... Have you tried an official ipod accessory with it?
16:06:29Luca_Swill my fuzev2 recharge while playing? it seems to detect the USB plugged in...
16:06:48gcdsyes it works
16:07:31gcdsuart is initialized
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16:10:26suckmypianistbtw i have an ipod classic 5th gen
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16:12:34webguest68hey i just installed rockbox and i wanted to play doom but when i load it up it gets to where you start the first level, but i cant move... any idea how to fix it? i have an ipod classic 5th gen
16:14:17kugelZagor: Is it right that I need to login in order to view the history of a wiki page since today?
16:14:45kugelI'm also curious about what changed in the latest revisions of RockboxKernel
16:17:05webguest68hey i just installed rockbox and i wanted to play doom but when i load it up it gets to where you start the first level, but i cant move... any idea how to fix it? i have an ipod classic 5th gen
16:17:27Zagorkugel: that's odd. I haven't changed anything
16:17:57gcdshow to compile source in debug mode?
16:18:21Zagorkugel: I can see history without logging in
16:18:47Zagorhmm, but not for RockboxKernel!
16:19:32kugelit looks like I just created a new revision by viewing the history!
16:19:45kugeldid I bork something up with my edit yesterday?
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16:23:26webguest68hey i just installed rockbox and i wanted to play doom but when i load it up it gets to where you start the first level, but i cant move... any idea how to fix it? i have an ipod classic 5th gen
16:23:44S_a_i_n_twebguest68: the keys for forward, left, right are MENU, |<<, >>| on the iPods, PLAY changes weapons.
16:23:55S_a_i_n_tSELECT == fire IIRC
16:24:30S_a_i_n_tand *please* don't post the same question three times in a row...
16:24:49S_a_i_n_ttry to be patient and wait for a n answer.
16:25:09soapTorne, when is the iPod bootloader going to stop looking in both locations for rockbox.ipod?
16:25:27Tornesoap: er, should it?
16:25:49linuxstbI think now would be a good time.
16:25:55Tornewell, we can do that
16:26:02soapIt is an increasingly rare situation where users are upgrading from an ancient (at this point in time) build with rockbox.ipod in the old location, but still - what benefit of looking in the old location?
16:26:37kugelis "the other" location the default?
16:26:59Torneit looks in .rockbox first
16:27:03soaproot or ./rockbox = "the other", kugel?
16:27:03kugelif not, it shouldn't make a difference whether or not it looks there
16:27:35kugelsoap: root then, I didn't know where non-/.rockbox one is
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16:27:51soapwhy look somewhere it has no business being?
16:27:56kugelI think virtually all bootloaders look in the root too, but only if there's nothing in /.rockbox
16:28:55soapI can't speak to the other ones, but outside the risky iRiver ones why not cut out the depreciated behavior?
16:29:13webguest68well ive already tried all of those keys, nothing works, but when i flick the hold switch on then off the pause menu comes up, but the only 2 keys that work are up,menu and select,center button
16:29:52S_a_i_n_twell, that behaviour is normal...
16:29:54gevaertssoap: there's no real reason to not remove that code for the irivers either I think
16:30:00S_a_i_n_t*regarding the menu.
16:30:10kugelyou have a key configuration menu in the options (before the actual game starts)
16:30:15S_a_i_n_tBut as for why you can't move, I really don;t know.
16:30:31kugel*cough* configurable buttons/support issue *cough :)
16:30:46S_a_i_n_tYou don't still have the HOLD key on when you're trying to move do you?
16:30:56S_a_i_n_tSeems like a silly question I know...
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16:36:55webguest68lol no, i know that thats the usual problem, "did you try pressing the power button?" "oh wow that worked!" xD but no i dont have the hold on and kugal, ive tried the config buttons, it doesnt work
16:38:11S_a_i_n_tyou're fully depressing the buttons? As opposed to tapping the clickwheel like in RockBoy?
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16:41:49S_a_i_n_twebguest68: which revision is this? release/daily build?
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16:42:02S_a_i_n_tmeh...
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16:47:05webguest68sry i didnt get any messages since my last one, my comp went into standby...
16:47:16webguest68repeat?
16:47:38S_a_i_n_twebguest68: which revision is this? release/daily build?
16:48:57S_a_i_n_tI mean, obviously the hardware works...so, try updating to the latest build and see if that fixes it, and if it's still not working lodge a bug report on Flyspray
16:50:12S_a_i_n_tJust grab the daily build for your device off the site.
16:50:36webguest68well i know it is the most recent build for an ipod classic 5th gen 30gigs
16:51:00webguest68oh and idk how to do the bug report lodge
16:51:25webguest68oh nvm
16:51:43S_a_i_n_tHow do you mean "most recent"? Is it a daily build that you've downloaded and installed today? Or is it the release build 3.5/3.5.1?
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16:52:44webguest68installed today.
16:53:31S_a_i_n_tWell, have you tried the reverse? I mean, have you tried installing 3.5.1 and seeing if it works there?
16:53:31webguest68actually i hhave no clue how to use flyspray
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16:54:34webguest68ive had that build, but i tried to install ipodlinux last night and it killed my rockbox so i reinstalled but with latest build
16:54:40S_a_i_n_tTo lodge a bug report, you'll need to make an account first.
16:54:54S_a_i_n_tIt's all pretty straightforward.
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16:55:40S_a_i_n_tAnd did it work with the Stable Build (3.5/3.5.1)?
16:55:48S_a_i_n_tOr did it fail for you there also?
16:57:08webguest68it failed
16:57:17webguest68otherwise i would have just reverted
16:57:40webguest68and could you like walk me thru the flyspray thing?
16:58:12S_a_i_n_tHave you created an account with flyspray?
16:58:50webguest68nope, only option i see is sign in
16:59:03webguest68*login
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17:01:23S_a_i_n_twebguest68; "Register" is right next to "Login" on the Flyspray page: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index.php?show_task=
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17:03:16webguest68oh i was lookin at the flyspray.org site
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17:05:22webguest68ok i have an activated account now
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17:06:53S_a_i_n_tWell, just Login, and then "Add Task"
17:07:38webguest68ok
17:07:58webguest68what category?
17:08:08webguest68sry im bein kinda stupid today xP
17:08:17S_a_i_n_tfile it under Bugs, state your device and the version you are using (either 3.5/3.5.1 or r2XXXX)
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17:08:29S_a_i_n_tcategory == Plugins
17:09:01S_a_i_n_tGive it a sensible, easy to parse title.
17:09:29S_a_i_n_tlike "Plugin: Doom, problems with navigation keys"
17:09:53webguest68i take it i just put in the details for whats happening?...
17:10:09S_a_i_n_tthen explain the problem, and how to reproduce what you are experiencing.
17:10:20S_a_i_n_tyes.
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17:15:31webguest68ok well thanks
17:15:34webguest68:]
17:15:55S_a_i_n_tNo worries.
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17:32:54CIA-5New commit by 03jethead71 (r25699): i.MX31/Gigabeat S: Implement frequency and voltage scaling−− 1.6V for 528MHz, and 1.35V for 264MHz and 132MHz. Keep DPTC overdrive ( > 400MHz) voltage ...
17:34:04MTempestZagor: There may be something odd with revisions 12 to 15 (inclusive) of http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/RockboxKernel.
17:34:06MTempestI can also diff all pairs of adjacent revisions except 15 and 16. The diff does not show everything, so it may be worthwhile seeing what changed between http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/RockboxKernel?rev=15&raw=debug and http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/RockboxKernel?rev=16&raw=debug
17:34:08MTempesthttp://irclogs.foswiki.org/bin/irclogger_log/foswiki?date=2010-04-23,Fri&sel=195#l191
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18:04:18AlexPjhMikeS: Oooh, lovely :)
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18:04:33AlexPTime for some new battery benches I think :)
18:06:31n1sso will it now autoswitch to 528MHz if needed (APE) ?
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18:19:47kugeljhMikeS: 3 boost levels?
18:22:44n1skugel: it doesn't boost like other targets but has automatic frequency (and voltage) switching based on load
18:23:00kugeloh, nice... :)
18:23:54n1swell, it actualy doesn't seem as useful as it sounds but i'm not sure
18:24:40jhMikeSkugel: indeed
18:25:20jhMikeSif the PLL switch weren't buggy then it could have four, but it's not rev2.00 where it was fixed
18:25:30n1sjhMikeS: <n1s> so will it now autoswitch to 528MHz if needed (APE) ?
18:25:44jhMikeSn1s: yes
18:25:52n1sah, that's nice
18:26:11kugelit's really a beast :p
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18:27:32jhMikeSturn off frame limiting on mpegplayer. that'll force it to 528.
18:28:04n1sor play ape -c5000?
18:28:10kugeljhMikeS: did anyone ever think of porting our threads to x86 or so? maybe with set/longjmp or swapcontext?
18:28:50jhMikeSkugel: thought I mentioned the idea a few days ago :)
18:29:05*kugel didn't see that
18:29:06jhMikeSbut in order to use one thread for all threads
18:30:18kugeli recently integrated gnu pth which basically does that
18:31:08kugelso it seems a bit strange to not port our threads (but I don't know how feasable that is) :)
18:32:22jhMikeSit's probably not terrible. one trouble bit was letting threads run while disk io completed (which made the sim work much, much better). I suppose reads/writes could be chopped into segments.
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18:36:28jhMikeSoh, we set backlight brightness on the backlight thread now? I guess I can cut some junk from the beast bl code.
18:36:44kugelsince a while
18:36:56kugelthe backlight thread can even fade :)
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18:37:33*jhMikeS was looking into another issue which comes up occasionally, where there seems to be an interrupt race from button_read_device and the bl doesn't always come back
18:40:36kugelthe target backlight functions are only called from the backlight thread
18:41:21kugel(or from an isr, which is set up by the backlight thread)
18:42:59jhMikeSthere's no tick anymore?
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18:43:49gevaertsjhMikeS: threads don't run in the sim while waiting for io now?
18:44:43kugeljhMikeS: nope
18:44:54jhMikeSgevaerts: they do now but they didn't some time ago. the IO bound thread just leaves the mutex lock. using a single thread with some manual context switch would require another technique.
18:45:18gevaertsok, makes sense
18:45:33gevaertsProbably just use asynchronous IO calls would be best I guess
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18:50:51jhMikeSgevaerts: that could work and is probably the best way to go, sort of makes it like using a DMA controller
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18:57:18jhMikeSgevaerts: are you still able to diagnose USB stuff? there's an imx errata mentioned about high-speed USB with core voltages <1.55V not meeting timing contraints with the PHY (or something to that effect).
18:57:55*jhMikeS can't say he's seen obvious ill effects in real life though
18:58:05gevaertsjhMikeS: JdGordon has the tracer now
18:59:18gevaertsjhMikeS: would it be hard to disable voltage changing while USB is connected?
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19:00:26jhMikeSnot at all. what about functions besides simple mass storage? do those count as "high-speed"?
19:01:56gevaertsI'd say yes. The bit clock is still 480MHz for those
19:03:25jhMikeSso even audio? hmmm. given the other warnings about overdrive voltages, I didn't want to keep it raised unless absolutely necessary.
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19:18:10jhMikeShmmm...the new slower SPI speed doesn't meet register write constraints for backlight fade-in. :\
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19:35:05CIA-5New commit by 03jethead71 (r25700): Gigabeat S: All the target backlight functions are currently called on the backlight thread whereas that wasn't the case when the hardware fading was ...
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19:40:49gevaertsjhMikeS: we could go down to full speed USB for some setups
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19:45:05jhMikeSgevaerts: it's a ULPI/PHY issue rather than on the line itself. but if we can do that too without degrading performance...
19:46:07gevaertsjhMikeS: audio doesn't *require* high speed, and neither does HID, but MSC and MTP are probably impractical without
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20:38:46gcdsomg i was so dump :D uart is working but using not in dock but in headphone :PPP
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21:18:54Watermarkhello Linuxstb
21:19:40Watermarki am back with a SDCFG value that may work. code SDCFG = 0x6A484C00
21:22:20pixelmaAlexP: if you have a minute - I started a patch for keys mentioned in texts to also list the remote keys if needed. Do I remember correctly that we wanted to add this case by case, I mean a "\opt{HAVEREMOTEKEYMAP}{ (remote: \ActionBlah)}" or was there another way?
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21:26:21kugelspeaking of keys :) have you checked my latest pla rework patch?
21:27:54pixelmajust as far as compiling ;) didn't get around to some real testing yet
21:28:17amiconnpamaury: Imo the VID/PID shouldn't be configurable. There is no reason to do that afaics
21:29:20pamauryI just said I'm not against and I clearly see no reason to object it for the mtp case. Now for the general cases, it seems only some users need it for car adaptators
21:31:28bluebrotherwhat happened to pastebin.ca? Or is it just failing for me?
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21:32:04pixelmait was down for me yesterday already
21:33:42Watermarkis user linuxstb here?
21:35:15bluebrotherhe's at least online
21:35:31Watermarkeh, guess i'll wait
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21:38:06CIA-5New commit by 03bluebrother (r25701): Don't retrieve the mountpoint value for each file when displaying the installed files.
21:38:29CIA-5New commit by 03jethead71 (r25702): Gigabeat S: Will run pacbox at 60fps. Set FPS accordingly.
21:39:41CIA-5New commit by 03b0hoon (r25703): Packard Bell Vibe: finish the manual.
21:40:08*kugel wonders how far that vibe port actually is
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21:41:16kugelit looks like it's rather finished actually :)
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21:48:29Watermarkhey dfkt you there?
21:50:11Watermark@dfkt, a user @iAudiophile.net gave me this SDCFG value to try out SDCFG = 0x6A484C00 but idk how to add it or w/e
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21:57:30linuxstbWatermark: Hi. I can try it for you...
21:57:31CIA-5New commit by 03b0hoon (r25704): Packard Bell Vibe: clear temporary keys in the manual.
21:57:44Watermarkthank you
21:59:13Watermarki'll have to restart though. i'll Download the File and try it out when i restart
21:59:57linuxstbWatermark: linuxstb.cream.org/tcctool.exe">http://linuxstb.cream.org/tcctool.exe
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22:02:43AlexPpixelma: I don't remember, but I think the way you gave sounds sensible
22:04:43pixelmaI hoped there was a more elegant way but as long as the \Action macros are used in tables and texts I don't see another possibility
22:06:48AlexPnor me, within the text
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22:12:01Watermark@linuxstb, it didn't seem to work but this time the S9 didn't disconnect like ti did before
22:12:30Watermarki'll see if the user who gave me that value has anymore ideas
22:12:38pixelmaAlexP: it was "fun" to find quite a few small mistakes be going through the texts for button names (e.g. that's how I found study mode mentioned). Maybe that should be done more often
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22:13:26AlexPpixelma: I keep meaning to sit down and actually read the thing at some point, I just haven't found the time
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23:16:20CIA-5New commit by 03wodz (r25705): Add Marcin Bukat as a commiter
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23:30:18Conaxhi guys
23:31:48Conaxis anybody here?
23:32:24krazykit`yes, do you have a question?
23:32:38Conaxyes
23:33:00Conaxis there a chance that rockbox comes out for the sansa fuze V2?
23:33:24Conaxsorry my english isn't the best I come from Germany
23:33:44gevaertsPeople are working on it
23:34:08Conaxgood to know
23:34:15Conaxhow can I help?
23:34:58*gevaerts doesn't know the exact status of the fuzev2 port
23:36:24linuxstbConax: Can you program in C?
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23:39:01Conaxno I have no programming skills :-(
23:39:35saratogathen you can't help
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23:40:46Conaxok than I wait and hope a final release of the sansa v2 comes soon
23:42:25Conaxok it's late I wish you a good time greetings from Germany
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