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#rockbox log for 2010-05-03

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00:03:33kugelI also wonder what va_arg() gives when there's no variable paramter passed
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00:22:04arlaneenalraand now I have rockbox on my fuzev2 . . . :)
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00:25:23lovelesslinuxstb: funman: calling it a day. thanks for the help, see you around!
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00:30:07kugelhm, undefined, not nice
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01:13:36arlaneenalrais anyone working on getting filesystem writes working on the sansaAMS players, in particular the fuzev2?
01:14:02Torneyes.
01:14:14Tornebut no, we can't tell you how long it will take
01:15:02arlaneenalranot what I was going to ask :)
01:15:20arlaneenalraI'm wondering what the current issue with writes is . . .
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01:18:42Tornei'm not sure specifically, but i assume they don't work in a catastrophic fashion :)
01:18:57Torneotherwise they'dbe enabled, probably, with a big warning label saying "may eat your sd card"
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01:31:18FlynDicearlaneenalra: The FIFO is not playing nice with us right now for sd writes, we keep getting over/underuns and cannot understand why because we don't have documentation for the SD controller.
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02:39:55sharphey, just wanted to stop by and thank the rockbox developers for their work on sansa fuze v2
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08:48:55S_a_i_n_tfound a weird error in "playback mode" on the CustomWPS Wiki page:
08:49:11S_a_i_n_t"...playlist ends, just before the �menu� screen is..."
08:49:51S_a_i_n_thttp://www.rockbox.org/wiki/CustomWPS#Playback_Mode
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09:17:22pixelmawould be interesting if foswiki had the "annotate" function ViewVC has, then you would know which revision added it without having to travel the history. I just wanted to find out what it was supposed to mean (guess: "menu", though I don't know why it has to be in quotes)
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10:57:36pamauryI just looked at "FS #9924 - "Most Played" and "Recently Played" display "dir buffer full!" in the database" and concluded that this is not really a bug because it's linked to the "Max entries in file browser" setting. However, shouldn't we add something to the manual about it ?
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11:02:13pixelmaI thought that the database did "chunked" browsing in long lists that are longer than the "max entries in file browser" setting
11:04:15pamauryNo, at least not for all things it seems. If you ask for something that needs to remove duplicates, it has to sort the list and thus can't "chunked" browsing.
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11:05:47pamauryMore precisely, each time you ask a search on a numeric tag, I think it does some sorting. Most played and played recently fit in this category
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11:51:36pamaurygevaerts: when you have time, can you have a look at "FS #11091 - Plugging into USB when in "View Battery". If the behaviour of the battery screen is indeed intentional, I think we should close it because modifying the usb code just to handle that case (which is in Debug View !) would be overkill.
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12:12:09S_a_i_n_tpamaury: The behaviour while plugging USB in while in the batter screen "while in View Battery the DAP starts charging as if I held Menu when I plugged it in" is definitely intentional ( I assume it does this so that one is able to check that the charger connected/charging state is recognised by the player).
12:12:26S_a_i_n_tAs for the rest of it "I exit View Battery the player refuses to play audio when you try to go into Now Playing resulting in a crash and Menu+Select reboot" I doubt very much this is intentional...
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12:16:24S_a_i_n_tpamaury: I just tried to reproduce 11091 (using r25761) and I am unable to do so...I have tested this on three different Nano2Gs so far, and *cannot* reproduce the behaviour.
12:17:31S_a_i_n_tI am able to exit "View Battery" and continue on to play audio using "Resume Playback", "Database" and "Files"
12:18:26S_a_i_n_tSo...I'm now confused. It doesn't seem to mention in FS #11091 what revision is being used.
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12:24:09S_a_i_n_tpamaury: Actually, I remembered that I have FS #11101 (user selectable USB cable behaviour) installed in my builds...which is enabled by default. When I turn this off, I am unable to play audio after returning from the "View Battery" screen, but it does not result in a lock-up needing hard reset. It simply flashes the WPS for s second or so, the disk access icon is displayed for a short while, then returns to the main menu.
12:24:13S_a_i_n_tVery odd.
12:24:36pamauryS_a_i_n_t: strange, I have been able to reproduce on my e200, let me have a look at FS #11101
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12:27:23pamauryWhich state does it enters by default ? The FS#... view battery bug can only happen when exclusive disk access is needed, so basically only with usb storage
12:27:59pamauryIf you have the "user cable..." patch and your device enters battery charging mode by default, then you can still play audio, this is normal
12:32:51S_a_i_n_tIt is very strange...I wonder what the difference is between connecting whilst holding "Menu" (or the equivalent) down, and connecting in the "View Battery" screen. :/
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12:33:13S_a_i_n_tAFAIK they are both supposed to have the same effect.
12:33:16pamauryno
12:33:30S_a_i_n_tThey're not?
12:33:37pamaurythere is a difference between "battery charging usb mode" and "usb storage mode"
12:34:41S_a_i_n_tWhat I mean is, I *thought* that connecting in the "View Battery" screen was supposed to enter into battery charging mode...
12:35:14S_a_i_n_tOtherwise, shouldn;t it display the "USB screen"?
12:35:24pamauryAh, it does not, it only prevents the usb code from entering usb screen, that's all
12:36:16S_a_i_n_tHmmm...in that case, it probably *should* display the USB screen, no?
12:36:28S_a_i_n_tIf it can't play audio...that seems sensible.
12:36:49pamauryno because thee battery view thread does not acknowledge usb connection, so the usb code doesn't enter usb screen
12:40:00pamauryLet me explain you the whole thing. In the code there are two distinct usb mode: exclusive storage and non exclusive storage (talking about devices which have a usb stack). In non exclusive storage mode, usb doesn't enter usb screen and doesn't lock any thread. For example, battery charging is a non exclusive storage mode. But in exclusive storage mode, the usb thread ask all threads to ackwoledge usb connection and block until disconnection
12:40:00pamauryand THEN it enters usb screen. If by chance, once threads doesn't acknowledge, all other threads are blocked but usb doesn't enter usb screen. Simple :)
12:42:45S_a_i_n_tHmmm...yes, that doess seem simple. However, I don't see from that a solution to FS #11091...
12:43:33pamauryThere is no solution because there is no problem in my opinion. That's the debug menu after all. The best that *could*
12:43:41S_a_i_n_tOther than perhaps preventing one from being able to exit that battery screen if usb is connected while viewing it.
12:43:48pamaurybe done is to enter usb charging mode when in view battery screen
12:43:56S_a_i_n_tor that.
12:44:07S_a_i_n_tThat's what I *thought* it did anyway ;)
12:44:42pamauryBut that would complicated, and probably useless in my opinion because you can already enter charging mode by holding power/select button on usb plugging
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12:46:00S_a_i_n_tI don't think it would be useless...as it would indeed solve 11091, but not being sure how complicated it would be to implement that behaviour...I can't really comment.
12:46:31S_a_i_n_tIt would be worthwhile to enter charging mode if USB is connected in the view battery screen IMO though.
12:47:08pamaurybut the debug menu is the debug menu ! There are plenty of weird things in the debug menu
12:47:59S_a_i_n_tYes, this is ture...but "Keep Out!" seems to mean "Hey, please fiddle with all these things" to the 'average' user :P
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12:48:50pamauryThe average user is stupid then, we can't fight against it, and it not visible in "normal" builds I think
12:49:22S_a_i_n_tHm? The Debug screen is in all builds AFAIK.
12:49:49pamauryI think release builds don't have the menu entry for it, even though it is compiled in
12:50:32S_a_i_n_tI assume by "normal" you mean release builds? They always used tohave Debug...if it doesn't now, it must be a *fairly* recent removal.
12:50:32TorneNobody has yet actually done the work to remove it on releases
12:50:44Torneit's been discussed in the past as a good idea
12:50:47Tornebut not implemented :)
12:50:50S_a_i_n_tAha...I was pretty sure it was still there.
12:51:18S_a_i_n_tAnd yes, taking it away from "Average Joe" would be seen as a good thing IMO
12:52:31Tornethere's the odd few *useful* bits of informatino in there, though, which aren't otherwise accessible
12:53:20S_a_i_n_tRight, there's half a solution to 11091 then ;) (assuming the OP was using a release build), the other half, or a "whole fix" would be to enable USB charging mode if cable insert is detected when in the "view battery" screen.
12:53:39pamauryMy opinion on FS #11091 is that I don't see the point in complicating the usb code (which is already not so simple) just for that. Because if we implement that, then we need to fix pretty much all other screen in the menu
12:54:25Torneyeah, let's not have special cases just for that..
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12:54:53S_a_i_n_tTorne: Hasn't "hiding" the debug menu (and being able to enable it with a config setting) been talked about?
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12:55:04TorneS_a_i_n_t: yes, that's what i just said..
12:55:29S_a_i_n_tWell...no, not exactly.
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12:57:27S_a_i_n_tI got the impression that you were talking about removing it completely from release builds, hiding it by default and being able to enable it through a config setting seems a lot more versatile.
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12:58:25Torneno, i don't think anyone has proposed that
12:58:28Tornebecause the same problem exists
12:58:36S_a_i_n_tBut, IIRC "hidden menu entries" are on the magical non-written No-Do list.
12:58:36Torneusers change all settings too, even ones they don't understand
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12:58:52Tornethe proposal was not to compile it in at all, based on a compile time option :)
12:59:34S_a_i_n_tAh, at least hiding the menu entry still gives acess to it if it is needed in a support situation though.
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13:00:25Tornethe users who complain about things like 11091 are the exact same people who will turn that on though
13:00:28Torneand then complain anyway
13:00:53S_a_i_n_t...so true ;)
13:01:02Tornepersonally i would move useful read-only informatino (like.. disk info, and the like) into the regular system menu or similar
13:01:09Tornei.e. stuff users cannot actually *do* anything with
13:01:18Torneand hten just remove the debug menu from releases :0
13:01:21S_a_i_n_tHmmm...good idea.
13:01:35Torneview battery is not useful end user info, really
13:01:49Torneall the status stuff it shows you (charging/etc) is available to the statusbar/wps anyway
13:02:00S_a_i_n_twhy not rename Dubug (Keep Out!) to "Debug (Please, come on in and mess with all these settings!)?
13:02:08S_a_i_n_t*reverse psycology ;)
13:02:15Torneand showing peole voltages is just asking for them to not understand internal resistances and battery aging :)
13:03:24pamaurySo, should I close FS #11091 stating that's it's not a bug or not ?
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13:03:39S_a_i_n_tMy theory is that the "(Keep Out!)" is what intrigues people enough to want to go in there in the first place...I think if it was just "Debug" it wouldn't have as much of an air of mystery about it.
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13:04:13Tornepamaury: there's no way to do anything about it easily, so close it
13:04:20pamauryok
13:04:36Torneif there was an easy fix that didn't hurt anything else then fixing is fine ;)
13:04:51Tornebut.. yeah. let's not worry about people doing stupid things in debug menu :)
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13:06:07S_a_i_n_tI don't think it's necessarily a "stupid thing", it is based on the assumption (and I thought this too...) that when plugging the cable in when in the view battery screen that it enters usb charging mode.
13:06:52gevaertsAssuming anything about the debug menu counts as a "stupid thing" :)
13:06:53S_a_i_n_tAnd, based on that assumption...expecting it to still play audio is perfectly understandable.
13:08:14S_a_i_n_tTell him to use FS #11101, then it'll work as he expects it to ;)
13:08:54TorneS_a_i_n_t: I have no idea why anyone would assume that, though
13:08:58Tornewhy should it?
13:08:58S_a_i_n_tBut, then you have to hold menu for usb storage mode...it's lose/lose situation.
13:10:31S_a_i_n_tI have no idea why it *should*, but it seems logical. I guess just because of the mental association between view battery/charging mode
13:11:55S_a_i_n_tThe Nano2g (the device that the "bug" was reported on) doesn't even have charging detection in the view battery screen...so, I guess that logic doesn't really work there.
13:12:02*pamaury thinks we should add a big banner in the main rockbox website page, stating "Use the Debug Menu at your own risk, all bug reports about it will be automatically closed"
13:13:32gevaertspamaury: that's not entirely true either. We will accept some bugs about it...
13:13:40pamaurysure :)
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13:21:27amiconnS_a_i_n_t: All items below "Debug" are just that. So they may or may not handle all situations. This is know and not worth fixing
13:22:04amiconn*known
13:24:00S_a_i_n_tI figured out the reason why I think it is assumed that the player enters charging mode when the cable is inserted whilst in the view battery screen...because no USB screen is displayed, so, it seems as though it is in charging mode to the un-initiated. (those who don't know the code, or the mechanics behind it).
13:27:30pixelmaI thought that the debug menu was disabled in releases (and it was only forgotten to do so in some)
13:27:54pamauryDid something have a look at "FS #11097 - Screendump crashes Nano 2G" ? I understand what TheSeven says but I don't know to which sector buffer on stack he refers to
13:30:17S_a_i_n_tIIRC I managed to get screendump working on the Nano2g by incresing the main stack size by 16X
13:30:25S_a_i_n_tbut...that is hardly a fix ;)
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13:31:58pamaurytrue and TheSeven seem to talk about a sector buffer which is allocated on the stack which of course is bad. But I don't where it is, don't even know if it still exists. IIRC I fixed such a bug in the file system code. Could you have a try with the normal stack size S_a_i_n_t ?
13:32:37S_a_i_n_tIt fails on Normal stack size (current SVN), I just tried it again then in the hope that it magically fixed itself.
13:32:40kugelwhy is it bad?
13:33:44kugelit increases stack usage, but is that a bad thing?
13:35:38pamaurybecause sector size is huge on Nano2G
13:35:52pamauryit already caused several stkov bugs
13:36:36S_a_i_n_tIndeed...the stack had to be doubled just to stop pictureflow from panicing...which is again, hardly a fix. But seemed to be the only workaround.
13:37:59kugelpamaury: that's not a explaination imo
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13:38:47kugelthe current stacks are clearly designed for the smaller stack size. so I wouldn't call it a bug when a new target demands more
13:38:50pamaurymy argument is that all stack sizes are fixed whatever the sector size it, this is bad
13:42:17kugelI don't know how much of a problem it is, but having things on the stack makes functions better re-entrant. moving things out of the stack doesn't necessarily save ram usage too
13:43:54pamauryYou're right but in some cases it's completely useless because for example, the function can't be called by several threads at the same time.
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13:45:13kugelso adding 1 sector size to the stack should have the same effect as moving it into bss?
13:45:13daurnimatorcan I update my fuze firmware safely?
13:45:48daurnimatorie, will rockbox still work? or at least is it still possible to install our bootloader after upgrading
13:46:37kugelI think "a target needs more stack" is not a strong reason to move things to the bss. But it makes me think that people are too lazy to figure out the stack size really needed
13:48:13kugelIMHO
13:48:32B4gderIMHO, you should learn to not calling people names that often...
13:50:00kugelI don't understand
13:50:08B4gder"people are too lazy to figure out" ...
13:50:20B4gderthat's an aggressive statement
13:50:22B4gdertotally uncalled for
13:50:36B4gderI'm just saying
13:50:47kugelit *makes me think that*, which is an impression I get. I didn't say it's true or something
13:51:08B4gderyes, and it makes you appear aggressive and people will get defensive
13:51:09pamauryOn top of that, I strongly disagree. Making the stack size depend on the sector size will need updating each time you change something, which is easily forgotten
13:52:22kugelok, I'll just shut up
13:52:54B4gderkugel: so there's just nothing OR being rude, no inbetween?
13:53:21B4gderI'm just objecting to the way of the discussion, I don't argue any side here
13:55:22kugelI don't think I was agressive, and I didn't mean to be, but if I cannot express myself correclty currently without stepping someone's shoes I rather say nothing.
13:56:07pamauryAnyway, it's not important, we don't have any particular code to discuss precisely here :)
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14:02:53*S_a_i_n_t is curious.
14:04:17gevaertsS_a_i_n_t: they're under review
14:05:03S_a_i_n_tIs there anywhere I can check what the conditions for the badges were/are?
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14:18:47linuxstbS_a_i_n_t: I think the "artist" page was in the past given to anyone who had submitted an original theme (i.e. not just adapting an existing one) to the wps gallery. I've no idea what the current policy (if we have one) is...
14:19:22*S_a_i_n_t lines up for his artists badge then... ;)
14:21:59S_a_i_n_t"Symmetry" downloaded 1352 times in 62 days has to count for something lol :P
14:25:05pixelmalinuxstb talked about the page though ;) /me runs
14:25:57S_a_i_n_tWell...I'd settle for a badge, rather than a whole page ;)
14:28:41S_a_i_n_tI take that back, it's 31 days...I *think*
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16:09:11S_a_i_n_tTheSeven: Weren't you looking for something like this? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7762
16:09:54S_a_i_n_tThe patch is old as the hills, and there is *no* chance of it patching properly/compiling still...but it may be an interesting starting point for you.
16:11:13S_a_i_n_t"OF Style" seeking for the iPods is something I'd really like personally...and it could free up |<< and >>| IIUC?
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16:14:26linuxstbAren't those buttons needed for track skipping?
16:14:54S_a_i_n_tWell..yes, they are.
16:16:00S_a_i_n_tAnd short select takes you back to the now playing dir, which I guess you'd lose if this was implemented...id almost definitely wouldn;t get into SVN, but would make for an interesting patch.
16:17:51S_a_i_n_tWhat I'm think is something like select to toggle the wheel between volume/seeking in the WPS, with long select still taking you to the context menu.
16:18:38S_a_i_n_tYou'd lose select taking you back to the now playing dir, but that isn't much of a loss as menu takes you back tothe menu from the wps anyway...so, yeah.
16:19:53JdGordon1fat chance after the shit fight I got into trying to get the wps view mode in on that button
16:21:28S_a_i_n_tOh, there's no way I'd expect it to get into SVN...but I bet a patch would get some good use by iPod owners.
16:23:16S_a_i_n_tJdGordon1: "wps view mode"...?
16:23:36JdGordon1press a button and a tag would change its value
16:23:44JdGordon1so you could do some funky shit :)
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16:24:24S_a_i_n_tAs far as I see it, there isn't really any need for short selects function on the iPods (taking you to the now playing dir) as you can do this almost as easily with the "menu" button.
16:24:55S_a_i_n_tI don't see why anyone would be so protective over what is essentially a reproduced function in a crowded keymap...
16:25:02*S_a_i_n_t is confused by this.
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16:34:35JdGordon1because heaven forbid we allow any sort of button customisation!
16:35:21JdGordon1I would love to see the option of choosing "browse, volume, seek, skin mode" as possible actions for the select button
16:35:24JdGordon1+others
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16:37:37S_a_i_n_tIsn't configurable (toggling) buttons on the imaginary (or unwritten rather)No-Do list?
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16:38:24S_a_i_n_tbut wait...we *do* have configurable buttons now...Hotkey would class as that, would it not?
16:38:29JdGordon1isnt hotkeys *in* svn?
16:38:42S_a_i_n_thehehe...great minds think alike ;)
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16:40:14S_a_i_n_tOn *that* topic, FS #11208 should really be comitted as it makes selecting the hotkey assignment actually possible on the iPods now.
16:40:34S_a_i_n_tI never seem to catch Blue_Dude in here anymore though.
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16:41:35S_a_i_n_tIt is still a bit of a nightmare to acess the Hotkey once it's set, but *WAY* easier to set one (and actually possible now, current SVN is just...blargh)
16:44:09kugellinuxstb: have you looked at the creat/open() patch?
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16:45:54JdGordon1S_a_i_n_t: that patch works?!
16:46:16*JdGordon1 is slightly surprised
16:46:26kugelwe all are :p
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16:47:52S_a_i_n_t11208?
16:49:20S_a_i_n_tBe nice lol...remember when I said the implentation was "shit"? He *really* took that personally.
16:49:35S_a_i_n_tI had to do a bit of ass-kissing after thast one ;)
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16:57:22kugelgevaerts: you might also want to look at it :)
16:59:18linuxstbkugel: I had a quick look yesterday - I'll give it a proper look this evening.
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19:07:43funmanFlynDice: i cheated to get PIO transfers complete : i request 1 more sector so the first ones are transmitted fully => No data partition; insert USB cable to repair
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19:13:32FlynDicefunman: That's interesting, I've been wondering if perhaps the CMD_SEND_CLK_ONLY might do some magic for us. It seems the card transfers all it's bytes to the CIU but not all make it to the BIU. Maybe because the clk shuts off when the card is done transferring?
19:14:01funmanwhat's CIU / BIU ?
19:14:26FlynDicecard interface unit/bus interface unit
19:14:48FlynDicefrom the "maybe this is the right doc" sheet......
19:15:39FlynDiceThe link from my forum post doesn't work anymore but I've got a .pdf if you need
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19:15:51funmancan you send it by mail?
19:15:56FlynDiceon the way
19:16:26funmanright know we only set thsi bit in init_controller
19:16:49funmanin linux it isn't set anywhere?
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19:21:09FlynDice In the linux patch I think it gets set when they mess with the gpio lines
19:21:35funmanin the OF it's sent when changing clkdiv
19:21:41funmanor disabling/enabling the clock
19:21:45funman(MCI_CLKENA)
19:22:36funman' enable data lines also for current CI' <- interesting
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19:31:36funmani see no ref to MCI_GPIO in OF though
19:34:01FlynDiceno, I couldn't find anything either so I just moved on and grasped at some more straws... :-)
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20:00:59funmanFlynDice: 'Supports FIFO over-run and under-run prevention by stopping card clock'
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20:04:24FlynDicefunman: Yes that was was what I was referring to a couple of days ago
20:05:25funmanoh i had understood that the overrun happened because the clock stopped
20:05:40funmanbut reading this sentence makes me think it happens because the clock *doesn't* stop
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20:07:17FlynDiceI was wondering whether it was an automatic function or whether we needed to manage it, I didn't see anythin in the linux patch or the OF that led me to beleive we needed to manage it though.
20:08:24FlynDicewher did you pull the "100% FSM coverage" from?
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20:08:48FlynDicenevermind found it
20:09:03funmanpage 119: "Verification Environment Features", perhaps it's some kind of automated tests
20:10:36FlynDiceThere are some CMD_FSM_STATE_B0/1/2/3 bits in the status register was why it caught my attention
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20:14:22funmanbtw WAIT_PRV_DAT isn't needed for transfers
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20:19:59knibbelhi guys
20:21:09knibbelfinished installing newest rockbox firmware on my fuze v2
20:22:21knibbelnow my question is : how can i save the changed language? because on fuze v2 saving/writing is not supported
20:22:29funmanFlynDice: also I don't see RW_BIT being used in linux
20:22:39funmanknibbel: use a config.cfg generated by the simulator
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20:23:12knibbelthx funman
20:23:19knibbelbut what is the simulator ?
20:23:34funmansearch the wiki
20:23:38knibbelk
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20:25:53funmanah, if i don't set RW_BIT I get DRTO (data read timeout) + DTO
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20:26:18funmanfifo, tcb, tbb all are 0 bytes
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20:37:21funmanFRUN : TCBCNT = 0 (nothing got to the card), TCCCNT = 80, FIFO_COUNT = 112
20:37:52funmanFIFOTH set to 0x20 = 32 bytes
20:38:04funman112-80 = 32
20:39:15funmanthat was with DMA_S64
20:39:35funmanwith DMA_S8 : TCBCNT = 0, TCCCNT = 96, FIFO_COUNT = 108
20:40:04funman108-96 = 12 ?
20:40:31funmanassuming the fifo deth is 0x40 = 96, then indeed we have an overrun
20:40:42funmanoops 0x40 = 64
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20:45:43knibbel@funman: big thx i create config file and it worked ! now my last question: how can i create database file?
20:47:04funmani don't know
20:47:12FlynDicefunman: sorry was away for a bit, the linux patch does use the RW bit see line 25664
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20:47:32funmanare you reading the patch itself?
20:47:37FlynDiceyes
20:47:48funmani used patch -N to extract new files
20:48:20funmanCMD_RW_BIT is defined but unused
20:48:59FlynDicegrep SD_HWL_CMD_READ_WRITE_MSK
20:49:05funmanyep i see it
20:49:13funmanif (flags .. & MMC_DATA_WRITE)
20:50:02funmandma with different width for the fifo (8, 16 bits) doesn't give better results
20:50:44funmanWAIT_PRV_DAT is also named CMD_WAIT_COMPL (and it's used)
20:51:19FlynDiceYes, they seemed to all match up with what we're doing and what the OF does
20:52:05FlynDicewell, what we think the OF does because it obviosly does more....
20:52:20kugelit seems strange that the fifo count is in bytes if you can change its width
20:52:23funmanor less!
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20:52:52funmankugel: you can't change fifo width, but you can change the width of dma transfers
20:52:54FlynDicekugel: You can change depth not width I think
20:53:22funmangrep '2<<' dma-pl081.c
20:53:24kugelfunman: ah, I misunderstood your sentence
20:54:40funmanFlynDice: did you check the DMA settings used by OF ?
20:54:56FlynDiceno
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20:55:22funman64 * 32bits it seems
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20:56:33funmanwhich would be larger than the fifo (assuming it's 0x40 = 64 *bytes*)
20:57:53FlynDiceI tried all the settings that were in pl081.h and couldn't get any to work...
20:57:53kugelthat seems rather low
20:58:12funmani read 0x3f<<16 from FIFOTH before we modify it
20:58:20funmanaccording to linux it's the fifo depth - 1
20:58:38kugelwhat makes you think it's in bytes?
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20:59:09FlynDicelinux macro I think
20:59:34funmankugel: fifo_free() in linux driver
20:59:57funmanfifo count (in mci_status) is in bytes, and fifo_free returns depth - fifo_count
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21:05:59funmanusing DMA_S64 for reads cause FRUN too
21:09:52funmani didn't reverse the whole DMA code in clipv2 OF but it looks bit for bit identical, and then the setting DMA_S64 is used
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21:10:17funman(identical to clipv1 code)
21:14:55FlynDicefunman: That's dma code as it pertains to pl081 code am I understanding that correctly? That would make sense to me since it's really the SD controller here that's not behaving as we would expect it to.
21:15:24funmanyes it's pl081
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21:20:33funmanOF asks for a response when issuing READ/WRITE multiple blocks but doesn't set a response handler
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21:39:33funmanFlynDice: i think i've found a fix for FS #11140
21:40:25funmanFlynDice: enabling dma channel *before* sending the command, because it seems send_cmd doesn't return before transfer is finished
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21:42:07funmans/is finished/starts/
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21:46:32funmanso it can't replace the wakeup signal
21:47:37funmanand with this patch (moving dma enable; interrupt on cmd isn't needed) there's no FRUN interrupt anymore but only a deadlock (backlight thread still runs)
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21:50:11funmanexcuse me while i remove directories from my microsd card :P
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21:52:49funmanthey see me writing, they hating
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21:58:49wodzI have a question to ARM gurus. I am begining my adventure with rockchip 27xx series of SoC. It seem to have some sort of USB boot mode. There is the manufacturer tool which uploads some binary file to device. I am trying to disassemble this binary. I am an ARM beginer so I would like to ask for advice which ARM isntruction is very specyfic to look for (like RTE/RTS on coldfires for example)
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22:00:14funmanwodz: (in network order) XXXX 9fe5
22:00:44wodznetwork order?
22:01:02funmanbig endian
22:01:09wodzI see
22:01:23funmani.e. what you see from the hexdump
22:01:55funmanif you have a file it's easy to recognize if it's ARM or not by looking at push/pop in the entry/exit of the function
22:02:28wodzThat depends on hexdump i.e on my ubuntu doing hexdump on coldfire binary I have swapped bytes
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22:04:05funmando you need a specific option or does it recognize the file type ?
22:04:18kugelwodz: eXb5 also, I'd say (if in thumb mode)
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22:04:35funmanhmm crap i got write working but now it causes read to fail sometimes
22:04:48kugelargh
22:06:30funmanbuilding DB worked only on Clipv2 (700+ files) but not on Clip+/Fuzev2 (which have much less files)
22:07:32funmanFlynDice: http://pastie.org/944077 :)))) the key was asking *_MULTIPLE_BLOCKS for a response
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22:12:06funmanremoving the timeout from send_cmd cause locks
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22:22:41funmaneverything looks alright with FS #11140
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22:27:16funman-> running test_disk write&verify
22:27:28saratoganice!
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22:29:03funmantransfer is quite faster on fuzev2 (pclk higher i guess)
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22:33:19saratogai'll try that patch out on my clipv2
22:33:39funmanthanks
22:33:44funmanclipv2 looks much faster than clip+
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22:33:55funmanalthough both are boosted
22:34:50linuxstbwodz: Do you have a link to the binary you are looking at?
22:34:58funmanoops write() failed on clip+
22:35:45funmanah no it was on clipv2
22:35:53funmantest passed on fuzev2
22:36:06wodzlinuxstb: I can look for some
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22:38:08saratoganice seems to be working, going to try running test_codec on all the test files
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22:38:21wodzlinuxstb: http://mympxplayer.org/rockchip-rk27-upgrade-v25-df881.html Inside the archive there is file Rock27Boot.bin
22:40:01funmanand test passed on clip+
22:40:25kugelfunman: \o/
22:40:28funmansaratoga: remember the buffer is 5MB or so
22:40:52kugelwe can speedup ams v1 easily
22:41:31kugelthe current spare buffer (for dma) is quite low, we can enlarge it and/or put it in iram for a speedup
22:41:55kugelwe can also speedup aligned transfers by doing dma directly without the memcpy to the spare buffer
22:42:20kugelhttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10805?string=vastly
22:42:39saratogafunman: on the clipv2?
22:42:53funmanyeah clipv2/clip+/fuzev2 all have 8MB ram
22:43:03funmanwrite() failed again on clipv2 hmm
22:43:13linuxstbwodz: That doesn't look like ARM code to me...
22:45:15wodzlinuxstb: hmm so maybe this is dump of some registers or something?
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22:45:40linuxstbIt could be encrypted.
22:45:59wodzI don't think so - firmware files are not encrypted
22:46:14funmancompressed?
22:46:15linuxstbThis is definitely an ARM cpu?
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22:47:03saratogait doesn't compress at all, so its either encrypted or compressed already
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22:47:35wodzdefinitely - I made some dissasembly of firmware files, moreover I found complete (almost) SDK
22:47:43funmanah nevermind i hadn't 300MB free on the clipv2
22:49:25linuxstbwodz: Do you have any different versions of this file? It's usually useful to compare them if possible.
22:49:42saratogadid something on the clipv2 change recently? i'm getting that the codecs are slower then I remember them being when i tested a couple weeks ago
22:50:04funmankugel: we need aligned buffers if we want to avoid our temporary buffer
22:50:24wodzlinuxstb: I know there are some different versions around but I don't have any other at hand
22:50:31funmansaratoga: did you try after codecs were put completely in iram ?
22:50:41kugelI didn't say avoid the temp buffer, but we currently use it even when not needed
22:50:49saratogahmm perhaps I did not . .
22:51:01funmansaratoga: but then it should be faster than before :o
22:52:27lovelessah, first small success on the sansa view: I now have LEDs blinking that I didn't even know existed. :)
22:52:36funmanloveless: nice!
22:53:10funmanloveless: did you know you can use leds to 'print' data ?
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22:53:45funman1 or 2 fast blinks espaced by a long delay when not blinking -> 1 bit
22:55:23lovelessfunman: yes. first output channel established. found two led ports and some sort of display backlighting which is controlled via the as3514 on the e200.
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22:56:13lovelessfunman: i might just hit the lcd enable bit, and the lcd is init at full brightness and all-white pixels. but all in all it makes three output bits ;)
22:56:15linuxstbloveless: So the e200 backlight code is working on your view?
22:56:42funmanloveless: what is "lcd enable" bit ? you have a lcd driver written already ?
22:56:51lovelesslinuxstb: i don't know. i haven't dealt with the as3* yet.
22:58:12lovelessfunman: pull GPIOB bit 0 high, and the display goes bright white. I don't know yet what the line really does.
22:58:48funmanthen it must be the backlight, now you need to identify the LCD controller or find the lcd routines in the OF
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22:59:00lovelessfunman: correction, GPIOD, bit 0.
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22:59:35lovelessfunman: i think i'll stick with the GPIO for a while. buttons first.
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23:00:27lovelessfunman: the real lcd backlight code in the e200 is triggered via ascodec_write(AS3514_DCDC15, brightness);
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23:01:53lovelessfunman: linuxstb: is the as used as pwm modulator there? didn't get to looking into the code yet.
23:02:18funmanalright test passed one more time on fuzev2, and passed on clipv2
23:02:42funmando we wait for FlynDice to commit ?
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23:05:26linuxstbloveless: I've never worked any of the PP Sansa ports, so I don't know.
23:08:58kugelloveless: no, the as3514 has a current regulator (hoping that's the right term)
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23:08:58kugelloveless: I thik obo had the backlight/leds already working too, he got stuck on the lcd
23:10:05funmanare you sure backlight worked?
23:10:05lovelesskugel: I am still learning on the easy parts. who knows what walls I'll encounter.
23:10:05funmanah right GPIOD 1
23:10:05funmanloveless: firmware/target/arm/sandisk/sansa-view/backlight-view.c
23:10:05kugelI'm fairly sure he saw some artifacts on his view with his custom code
23:10:05DBUGEnqueued KICK funman
23:10:05funmanbutton led = GPIOA 2
23:10:52kugellinuxstb: may I remember to have a look at my patch(es)? :)
23:13:00kugels/remember/remind you/
23:13:44lovelessfunman: yes, mostly stubs in the port directory, but there's actually something in there
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23:34:31funmanloveless: enable+output would be a good candidate for backlight_init() then ?
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23:37:05lovelessfunman: the real backlight code works with the as3514, so i don't think setting gpio is sufficient to get the brightness settings working.
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23:38:34lovelessfunman: another thing is that I don't work with the view port stub, yet. the linker throws errors on compiling the boot code for e200rpatcher, which i am currently using for happy hacking on some basics.

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