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#rockbox log for 2010-05-18

00:00:15pixelma1.2.9 here too (also cygwin)
00:02:58Blue_Dudepixelma: I think we're getting hosed.
00:03:00funmanhm on clip+ the battery voltage doesn't change with charger plugged, but the % is lower: 100% unplugged, 96% plugged (and it is charging)
00:03:52CIA-5New commit by 03kugel (r26123): A bit further cleanup in system-sdl.c.
00:04:16funmanah i know why
00:05:05kugelfunman: the battery is full but the charging curve not up to date?
00:05:35funmanyeah
00:05:55funmanthe clipv1 curves aren't good
00:06:49funmanthe charging one at least
00:07:02funmanit wants to charge higher to what it can do
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00:09:46funmando we make a new release of mkamsboot for USB on clip+ (and on all fuzev2), or we wait for the 2 USB drivers in progress ?
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00:14:03Blue_Dudekugel: latest commits compile w/o warnings in Cygwin. Thanks.
00:14:15kugelcool
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00:57:31ssorgatem_My fuzev2 seems to be dead
00:57:41ssorgatem_i just updated to latest svn
00:57:57ssorgatem_powered it off while connected to usb
00:57:57funmandid you change bootloader?
00:57:59ssorgatem_then
00:58:05ssorgatem_I powered it on
00:58:29ssorgatem_it showed for a moment a picture of a usb cable, then the screen has gone black
00:58:34saratogaif you didn't change the bootloader, then just hold power for a while until it reboots
00:58:38ssorgatem_I have the botloader version 2
00:58:52ssorgatem_but I have it since a few days now
00:58:58saratogaif you did change the bootloader and powered it off while connected, then that could have broken it
00:59:05ssorgatem_no, no
00:59:13saratogathen you're fine
00:59:20ssorgatem_IO just replaced the .rockbox folder
00:59:30funmanssorgatem_: remember, your fuze can't detect USB
00:59:45funmanit was the same for my clip+ before i change mkamsboot, instead of rebooting it would just power off
00:59:51ssorgatem_funman: Now it does
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01:00:11ssorgatem_funman: it powers off when usb i connected
01:00:19ssorgatem_funman: it didn't until now
01:01:41funmanyeah
01:01:58funmanhold on let me give you a patch for mkamsboot
01:02:13ssorgatem_funman: is it normal that after connecting it to usb it won't turn on after holding the power button for a long time and then trying again?
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01:02:32funmantry holding the button longer (20 secs)
01:02:46ssorgatem_funman: yes, it works, but
01:02:58ssorgatem_what i don't understand is that
01:03:04ssorgatem_if it's been powered off
01:03:15funmanssorgatem_: the piece of code in mkamsboot can't detect USB (yet)
01:03:17ssorgatem_why doesn't it power on normaly?
01:03:32ssorgatem_funman: ok
01:04:07ssorgatem_i'm just curious
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01:05:09funmanssorgatem_: do you still have the patch for mkamsboot which works for you ?
01:05:46ssorgatem_funman: of course
01:06:38funmancan you paste it again?
01:06:56ssorgatem_yes, i'm sorting itout
01:07:22ssorgatem_there was only one file modfied, roght? only duaboot.S
01:07:25ssorgatem_right*
01:07:48funmanyep
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01:08:39ssorgatem_funman: here it is: http://pastie.org/964659
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01:10:41funmanhmm didn't you test one which used the left key and not the center one ?
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01:11:30funmanwell i have a fuzev2, i'll try first
01:11:50ssorgatem_funman: that one used both
01:11:58funmanah right
01:12:14funmanand left works fine, right?
01:12:20ssorgatem_funman: right
01:13:29ssorgatem_BTW, I've found another picky fuzev2 like mine
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01:14:18ssorgatem_my girlfriend's fuzev2 won't boot rockbox with normal mkamsboot-created bootloaders
01:15:08ssorgatem_So, i'm not alone after all :)
01:15:25funmanssorgatem_: http://pastie.org/964668 (works for me)
01:16:17ssorgatem_wow, this one is far bigger
01:16:37funmanwell yeah but don't worry
01:16:58kisakhazzah, I got my Fusev2 to crash for the first time
01:17:22kisakin doom, I tried to save
01:25:35ssorgatem_upgrading firmware...
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01:27:13funmanhm sokoban is > 64k, but the .rock is 11k
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01:27:35funman56k of bss
01:28:49ssorgatem_booting rockbox takes longer
01:28:50ssorgatem_and
01:28:50ssorgatem_plugin the usb cable justs powers off the player
01:28:51DBUGSent KICK ssorgatem_ to server
01:28:51ssorgatem_mm
01:28:51ssorgatem_the longer boot time may be unrelated
01:28:51Kick(#rockbox ssorgatem_ :No flooding!) by logbot!~rockbox@giant.haxx.se
01:29:12Mode"#rockbox +o funman" by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
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01:29:19Mode"#rockbox -o funman" by funman (~fun@rockbox/developer/funman)
01:29:25funmanssorgatem_: yes it's a bit longer it's normal
01:29:37funmanwhat happens if you power the fuzev2 off, and plug usb ?
01:29:38ssorgatem_lol, logbot expulsed me
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01:29:46ssorgatem_let's try
01:30:12ssorgatem_funman: rockbox boots, then powers off
01:30:33funmandamned
01:30:51ssorgatem_funman: it's quick, but I can see a usb image in rockbox just before it powers off
01:30:57funmancan you change the "mov r1, #0x80000" in the diff in "mov r1, #0x100000" ?
01:31:10ssorgatem_whic line?
01:31:12funmanto test you just need to power the fuzev2 with usb, no need to use rockbox
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01:31:21funman272
01:31:32funmanit will make the delay twice longer
01:31:41funmanwithout the delay it didn't work on my clip+
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01:33:13EpicHomeworkquestion: I have my music on a micro SD card, would it be possible to have the album covers on the device's memory?
01:33:30funmanno
01:33:38EpicHomeworkno? :(
01:34:08ssorgatem_EpicHomework: anyways, what sense would it make?
01:34:28EpicHomeworkI don't want to use the space on the micro SD with album covers
01:34:29funmansaratoga: it's possible to reduce the size of some tables in apps/plugins/mp3_encoder.c but i get crappy encoding, perhaps because of changed signs
01:35:25EpicHomeworkso there's absolutely no way it's possible?
01:36:55ssorgatem_EpicHomework: I can't see any way it would be possible
01:37:14EpicHomeworkso the album covers have to be in the same folder as the music?
01:37:25ssorgatem_I think so
01:37:37EpicHomeworkwell shoot
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01:37:59EpicHomeworkthanks anyway, this is a GREAT project
01:38:23ssorgatem_anyways, compared to music, a few little jpgs aren't such a great waste of space, no?
01:38:43EpicHomeworkhow much space do you think about 250 jpgs would take?
01:38:55ssorgatem_very little
01:39:12ssorgatem_much less than 50 mp3
01:39:47EpicHomeworkI have an 8GB micro SD, already have 777 songs on it, plus around 1.5GB of data I need on it
01:40:44krazykitactually, it can be on the device itself
01:41:01krazykitsee appendix C of the manual
01:41:04EpicHomeworkthe album covers krazykit?
01:41:38krazykityep. C.3 shows exactly where you can place cover art
01:42:02EpicHomework"or in a fixed directory named /.rockbox/albumart/. "
01:42:06EpicHomeworkAWESOME! :D
01:42:32*ssorgatem_ should read the whole manual
01:42:51ssorgatem_funman: It doesn't work
01:42:58EpicHomeworkno worries, that's why there's not only one person here :P
01:43:01kisakyes, and memorize it so that you can quote revisions that noone can remember
01:43:05funmanssorgatem_: the delay is just longer then ?
01:43:25funmancan you try one last time with #0x200000 ?
01:43:29ssorgatem_funman: where should I notice it?
01:43:35ssorgatem_ok
01:43:40funmanjust that it takes longer to boot
01:46:00ssorgatem_funman: it doesn't take longer to boot
01:46:18funmandid you run make -C dualboot ; make to rebuild mkamsboot ?
01:46:25ssorgatem_funman: but I think it takes longer to poweroff
01:46:36ssorgatem_funman: yes
01:48:03ssorgatem_funman: oh, wait
01:48:16ssorgatem_funman: I'm getting a warniing while compiling:
01:48:41ssorgatem_funman: no, it's not a warning
01:48:48ssorgatem_funman: it's an error
01:48:54ssorgatem_funman: dualboot_fuzev2.o: In function `fw_copy':
01:49:05ssorgatem_funman: dualboot.S:(.text+0x164): undefined reference to `CGU_PROC'
01:49:18funmanssorgatem_: svn up
01:50:01ssorgatem_funman: oops, that fixes it
01:50:13funmanjust try with the first delay then
01:50:30funman#0x80000
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01:52:07funmani take it from the sokoban.c comments that the code is less than 16kb on SH, but it's 47k on ARM :o
01:53:05ssorgatem_funman: finally
01:53:13ssorgatem_funman: IT WORKS!
01:53:18funmangood ;)
01:53:34ssorgatem_funman: thank you :)
01:53:43EpicHomeworkI found a typo in the manual appendix C for Sansa e200v2
01:53:44funmanyou're welcome, tahnks for testing
01:54:08EpicHomeworklast paragraph says "single qutoes", should be "single quotes"
01:55:26funmanEpicHomework: fixing it
01:55:42EpicHomeworkalright, hope I'm helping and not seeming like a pest XD
01:57:28*ssorgatem_ is going to sleep with his now usb-detecting rockboxed fuzev2
01:57:48*EpicHomework <3's Rockbox
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02:11:00CIA-5New commit by 03mc2739 (r26124): Fix typo
02:11:11funmanamiconn: with plugin buffer of 0x28000, midi.rock doesn't build, with 0x20000, mp3_encoder doesn't, with 0x18000 fft doesn't. If i disable those i can make the buffer 64kB
02:11:43CIA-5New commit by 03funman (r26125): Fuzev2: use enrd0 for USB detection, GPIO didn't work on some models
02:13:05ssorgatem_funman: In the README of mkamsboot, wouldn't it be better to use the firmware filenames without the "a", so they would retain the installed firmware region configuration?
02:13:50funman dunno, i always tested with those filenames
02:14:35funmanthe of always ask me my language & region when upgrading
02:14:37ssorgatem_funman: for fuzev2, fuzp.bin works
02:15:39ssorgatem_funman: anyways, it isn't important
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02:16:19ssorgatem_with rockbox, who cares of OF?
02:16:47kisakssorgatem_: we do ... for benchmarking
02:19:39kisakI can't seem to find any other reason though
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03:18:24kisakhmm ... the boot OF on home key doesn't work on my Fuze v2
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03:37:24saratogafunman: never looked at the mp3 encoder, do you have a patch?
03:42:25saratogawe still compile the old mdct even though we don't use it
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03:48:50saratogais there define to check if we're in rockbox ?
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05:14:42*JdGordon is annoyed at people not sending a working theme.cfg in the theme zip when asked for one to help debug issues :/
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07:06:43S_a_i_n_tJdGordon; Which theme? Is this people asking for help re: FMS now?
07:07:36JdGordonjust one in the forums
07:08:38S_a_i_n_tBTW, I'm a little bit bugged by "Settings/Theme Settings/FM Radio" it just doesn't seem to fit right. "FM Radio Screen" perhaps is better?
07:08:50S_a_i_n_tNo, "FM Radio Skin" seems to work better IMO
07:09:33JdGordonyeah, but meh :)
07:09:42S_a_i_n_tjust "FM Radio" doesn't imply it is a theme option at all...it's more like the title of the Radio itself.
07:10:43S_a_i_n_tSurely it's not *that* hard to change? I think "FM Radio Skin" works better, seeing as the .ext is FMS anyway.
07:10:49S_a_i_n_tJust my two cents worth ;)
07:11:27S_a_i_n_tSkin/Screen...either works.
07:13:06JdGordonwhat else could it be if it is under the theme settings?!
07:13:13JdGordonand lang changes are annoying to push through'
07:15:23pixelmaI agree with S_a_i_n_t though and said so while testing the patch. I'd suggest "FM Screen" or maybe "Radio Screen" just like there is a "While Playing Screen"
07:15:30S_a_i_n_tI realise it's in the theme settings, so it's kinda obvious that it's the themeing option for the Radio Screen, but I just seem to find that "FM Radio" sticks out of that menu like a sore thumb.
07:16:58*JdGordon doent care either way, if someone else does the change
07:18:26*S_a_i_n_t looks in pixelma's direction..."FM Radio Screen" then?
07:21:47pixelmamaybe just "Radio Screen" would be better since some D2s have DAB...
07:22:11*S_a_i_n_t can dig that.
07:22:12pixelmait probably isn't supported yet in Rockbox but
07:22:48JdGordonDAB is still over fm isnt it?
07:24:33*JdGordon retracts that staement
07:25:15JdGordonanyway... it would be really nice to have cabbie+fm for the next release which is 4 weeks away or so?
07:26:05pixelmaok, maybe the argument wasn't a very strong one but I just though "FM Radio Screen" sounded a bit more complicated than my two suggestions
07:27:31pixelmaJdGordon: what changes would need to be done outside emglish.lang to change the string (make it use a different one)?
07:28:13JdGordonif the LANG_ value doesnt change, nothing
07:30:20pixelmabut it should change for the radio screen so there still is a string "FM Radio" for the main menu and a different one "Radio Screen" in theme settings, I would think (or I'm misunderstanding what you mean with that)
07:31:20JdGordonthen yes, add a new string and then in menus/theme_settings.c just change that to the new one
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08:07:41Strife89Might there be a way to format a microSD from within Rockbox?
08:08:07Strife89I.e., is it possible that I merely need to enable something and compile?
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09:46:23Luca_SHello everyone. I have a question (FuzeV2). Is it safe for the battery to let it play while recharging?
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10:15:54funmanLuca_S: charging should work but i'm not 100% sure if it stops when finished, I'm working on this
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10:16:33Luca_Si'll try and i'll keep an eye on it by watching the battery screen
10:16:43Luca_Swhich value should be the upper threshold?
10:16:54funmanaround 4.2V
10:18:18linuxstbStrife89: No, there is no formatting code in Rockbox. The idea of a disk partitioning/formatting plugin has been discussed a few times, but no-one has implemented it.
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10:18:59kugelfunman: I'm not a fan of FS #11288
10:19:20funmanme neither
10:19:34Luca_Sok. currenty at 4.005V
10:19:37kugelI also can't imagine it works well
10:19:44funmani would store ticks one by one but keep TIMER precision
10:20:11kugelthe nano2g port has shown that tick resolution is not enough for isq-based scrollwheel handling
10:21:08funmanright, it's like we jump from 2-4 ms to 0-20ms
10:21:49funmani didn't test the patch but i can't imagine it doesnt' change the behaviour drasticalyl
10:22:37kugelfunman: current svn stores the tick
10:23:06funmanyes but it overflows
10:23:10kugelit handles timer wraps by adding current_tick*factor
10:23:25kugelit does?
10:23:35funmanthat's what he was saying on the forum
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10:24:40kugelah, it's possible that it overflows indeed
10:27:53kugelafter about 23 minutes
10:28:23funmani think mp3_encoder doesnt' like mono
10:29:31pixelmais that what the recording screen uses?
10:29:58funmanah no it doesn't like 22.05kHz input it seems
10:30:10kugelfunman: timer wrap could be handled differently if the current_tick mechanism is overflow prone
10:30:10pixelmaI didn't have problems doing a mic recording with my c200 recently
10:30:19funmanpixelma: no, but i believe both the recording encoder & the plugin use the same code base
10:30:37pixelmaan mp3 recording
10:30:43*kugel slaps forhead
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10:31:41kugelfunman: what just comes into my mind: the reason for the weird wheel behavior could be caused by the fact that the timer counts *down*, I think I coded it thinking it counts up
10:31:43pixelmaIIRC recording with mic on c200 is limited to mono and 22.05kHz
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10:33:01funmancorrection: mono@44.1kHz doesn't work either, so the problem is mono
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10:34:25funmanpixelma: rockbox fakes stereo by duplicating the mono channel into the silenced one
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10:34:54n1sfunman: there's a bug report about the mp3_encoder and mono
10:35:00funmankugel: ah indeed
10:35:37funmann1s: ok, i just want to save some binsize in this plugin
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10:36:20n1sfunman: it doesn't fit on the clip?
10:36:20kugelin fact, adding then current_tick*factor (which does count up) could make it even worser
10:36:30funmanit does but i'm trying to reduce the buffer
10:37:19n1sfunman: also, i *think* the agreed on ultimate goal is to make a transcoder or encoder plugin that uses the encoder codecs instead of having a separate mp3 encoder plugin
10:37:32n1sso i hope you don't put too much effort into it
10:37:55n1sI'd even say that disabling that one plugin if it's the one holding you back is fine
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10:40:31amiconnfunman: midi.rock is probably not very useful on the clip anyway, because it needs the audio buffer for loading instruments. I guess that the clip's audio buffer isn't sufficient
10:41:17funmanhmm mp3_encoder sucks on the sim
10:42:22funmani guess it only likes stereo@44.1kHz
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10:43:46wodzis there a way to compile only test_* plugins?
10:45:03funmanno, unless you build them explicitely (make $PWD/apps/plugins/test_XXX.rock)
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10:52:44Luca_Sgh my scrollwheel froze too :)
10:59:10funmanplease someone test http://pastie.org/965150 on target, works fine in sim
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11:03:43funmanreclaims an incredible 1052 bytes :'(
11:04:32funmanit's 134.2kB
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11:15:10funmani can remove all the _const variables + memcpy
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11:20:30pamauryfunman: do you want that I commit my usb work ?
11:20:45funmansure, commit often, commit early
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11:27:55funmannow mp3_encoder is 16.7kB less
11:28:49markunpamaury: is USB for the AS3525v2 completely different from the v1?
11:28:52markunfunman: nice
11:29:06pamaurymarkun: yes
11:29:26markunpamaury: and do we have documentation for it?
11:29:56pamauryfunman: do you want to keep USB_HANDLE_BY_OF or do I define USE_ROCKBOX_USB, I don't know the difference
11:30:03*pixelma wonders if there could also be an mp3_encoder for hwcodec (and if it's worth making it an overlay plugin for the small RAM Sansas)
11:30:15pamaurymarkun: I have a linux patch but that's not a specification for sure !
11:30:23funmanpamaury: if it doesn't work keep USB_HANDLED_BY_OF defined and USE_ROCKBOX_USB undefined
11:30:25markunpamaury: but still helpful
11:30:39funmanUSB_HANDLED_BY_OF just disables code which checks modifications of rockbox.sansa
11:30:52funmanif USE_ROCKBOX_USB is undefined the players reboot on usb insert
11:30:59wodzplease have a look at FS #11289 is it ok for You?
11:31:14pamauryah, do we want it to reboot ?
11:31:24Luca_Sthe debug > battery graph shows a plateau at 4.180V, but the second screen still says Charging...
11:32:33funmanLuca_S: if you unplug the cable what's the voltage?
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11:33:16Luca_Sfirst screen: 4.180 - second screen 4.124-4.134
11:33:45Luca_S(uhm, the first screen seems like a "delayed-averaged" reading of the second?)
11:34:15funmani think 2nd one is instant value
11:34:29funmanmy clipv1 charges really slowly
11:34:48mitkfunman: > http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=14064.msg166991#msg166991
11:35:01funmanhow do we determine if we use 100/200 or 300mA current for charging?
11:35:24funmanmitk: what's the voltage if you unplug?
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11:37:26mitk4.172 after 15 minutes playback. I disconnected it 15 minutes ago
11:38:05wodzfunman: stabilized DC power supply with current measure?
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11:43:53pamauryfunman: when I define USE_ROCKBOX_USB, I get an error on AS3525_PPLB_something, is it normal ?
11:44:07funmanno
11:44:38funmanyou're using CONFIG_USBOTG == USBOTG_AS3525 ?.
11:44:54kugelyou guys got usb to work?
11:45:52pamauryfunman: no, I'm using CONFIG_USBOTG = USBOTG_AS3525v2
11:46:18pamauryhere is the error:
11:46:19pamaury/home/pamaury/project/rockbox/rockbox/firmware/target/arm/as3525/system-as3525.c:330: error: AS3525_PLLB_SETTING undeclared (first use in this function)
11:48:13funmanthe bss of mp3_encoder is 85kB, how can i see what use all this place ?
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11:48:47funmanthe IBSS stuff adds up to 20kB
11:49:33funmanpamaury: hmm we should enable the pllb only when usb is active, and only on as3525v1
11:50:00pamauryso I should protect that with a #if CONFIG_CPU == AS3525 ?
11:50:06funmanyep
11:50:15pamauryit's already in:
11:50:15pamaury#if defined(USE_ROCKBOX_USB) || (AS3525_MCLK_SEL == AS3525_CLK_PLLB)
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11:50:34funmanit's enabled even if i don't plug usb
11:50:52funmanranma: ^
11:51:57pamaurydo I let you fix that and commit with USE_ROCKBOX_USB disabled for now ?
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11:52:21funmani have a dirty tree, just add (defined(USE_ROCKBOX_USB) && CONFIG_CPU==AS3525)
11:53:16pamauryok
11:53:26funmanstatic uint32_t enc_buffer[16384]; /* storage for 65536 Bytes */
11:53:34funmanah it's there :P
11:55:24n1sfunman: it seems mp3_encoder doesn't steal the audio buffer, maybe doing that to get rid of some static bss arrays would help?
11:55:37n1slike that ^^ one f. e.
11:57:12funmansure
11:58:54CIA-5New commit by 03pamaury (r26132): as3525v2: add usb driver stub, enable usb phy&core init ...
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12:01:21funmanhttp://pastie.org/965217 <- works fine on sim, 81kB smaller
12:02:34funmanhm clipv1 is only charged at 5% after 3 hours
12:02:51funmanperhaps 100mA isn't enough ?
12:02:53pamauryI'm a bit confused. How can my commit reduce binsize... ?
12:03:03linuxstbn1s: Does the mp3 encoder currently work at the same time as playback on some targets?
12:03:32n1slinuxstb: i don't know but i suppose so...
12:03:39funmanpamaury: see config.h diff
12:03:51pamauryhehe
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12:04:08funmanlinuxstb: yes it must work, although i don't know how 2 intensive tasks go together
12:04:13n1slinuxstb: ah, no, it steals the codec iram
12:04:16linuxstbn1s: I imagine that could be useful. Although to be honest, people should be using LAME on their PC...
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12:04:41funmann1s: ah plugins can't use iram while a codec is running, right?
12:04:47n1sfunman: nope
12:05:10n1sat least on targets that use iram, i don't know what happens on the other targets
12:06:12funmanplugin_iram_init -> audio_hard_stop()
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12:09:01funmanon other targets nothing happens, codec continue
12:09:30funmanworks fine
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12:11:42wodzno objections for FS #11289 ?
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12:12:05funmanwodz: nope
12:12:16wodzgood
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12:17:45wodzr26134 is screaming for fix red
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12:18:03funmanoops thanks
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12:23:52funmanhuhu midi crashes the sim
12:33:54funmanhm my clip doesn't charge with OF either, perhaps i did a mistake when resoldering the battery
12:35:04kugelfunman: another dead clip on your acccount?
12:35:09funmanno it still works
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12:42:06amiconnlinuxstb: The SDL.h and SDL_thread.h issue might depend on the sdl version
12:42:16wodzhow often battery voltage is readed?
12:42:27amiconnpixelma is using a fairly old cygwin install (1.5.x), and probably an old sdl as well
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12:47:19kugelamiconn: Blue_Dude on 1.7.5 has the same "problem"
12:47:33amiconnWhat sdl version?
12:47:39amiconnIirc 1.2.13 is current
12:47:47kugelthe same (old) one, 1.2.9
12:47:53kugel1.2.14 is current
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12:48:20wodzdo I read it correct that power thread is in running state once per minute?
12:48:38kugelso yes, we concluded the version is most probably the cause
12:48:52B4gderthe cause was rather a bad assumption :-)
12:49:08B4gderas the previous way to include is how it is documented
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12:49:21BeFalouafter copying files with OF, can "refreshing database" be canceled (fuze)?
12:49:30funmanif the plugin buffer is 128kB fft build but dosen't run. it's ok with 160kB though
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12:50:10kugelB4gder: yes and no, there was no SDL_CreateThread in that file so SDL_thread.h wasn't needed and I didn't add it because my sdl version throws no warning
12:50:28funmangrey lib can't be inited
12:50:35funman.. but it doesn't look like grey to me :o
12:50:47B4gderkugel: yes, and the assumption you did was that therefore you did it right
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12:52:07kugelthat's right :)
12:53:50funmanBus 001 Device 022: ID 0781:7433 SanDisk Corp. Sansa Clip (msc)
12:53:52funman:))
12:54:37wodzok from power thread battery voltage is read in HZ/2 period
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13:02:21funman"X Error of failed request: BadGC (invalid GC parameter)" if i enable fft spectrogramr on clip :/
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13:02:47kisakfunman: for what it's worth, Home doesn't boot OF on my Fuzev2
13:02:56funmankisak: yeah, that's expected
13:03:07funmanit's the left button
13:03:12kisakfunman: ok
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13:11:03wodzI would like to ask for piece of advice. Currently I read ADC in its own ISR wich fires ~4 times per system tick. This can harm battery lifetime as it wakes up core from sleeping. Ideally I would like to call adc read routine in ticsk task but this is complicated by the fact that battery reading uses the same ADC but different channel. After channel switch I have to wait at least 4096 adc clock cycles to get valid data. It can be worked out by reading da
13:11:03wodzta and than changing channel at the end of tick routine but this will mean I introduce adc reading into button-hd200.c
13:11:26wodzthis will make code much harder to understand
13:12:19wodzso the question boils down to: how do I add something as tick task to be executed *before* button handling
13:20:12funmandoesn't seem possible now
13:20:30funmanbutton_init() is one of the first things called after kernel_init()
13:21:36funmancan't you just add a function call at the beginning of button_read() ?
13:23:02wodzI can but this is weird
13:25:49pixelmawodz: did you solve the performance issues on your Mpio now?
13:27:39wodzpixelma: no
13:28:19funmanwodz: you can't reduce adc rate ?
13:28:24funmaninterrupt*
13:28:52wodzfunman: I can but strange things happen with buttons than
13:30:05funmanyou can choose to not use itnerrupt and use busy waiting also?
13:30:59wodzI can check if valid data flag is set by ADC but I can't use sleep() in kernel tick task
13:32:09funmanyou could add a thread for adc but i don't know if button reading would feel realtime
13:32:25funmaninstead of updating values from the ISR update them from a thread
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13:32:41funmanand sleep when you wait for valid data so other threads run
13:33:29amiconnImo you should just let a tick fire the adc, and let an adc isr do the rest, so that each tick all channels are read once
13:34:36amiconnAs long as the adc isr is short enough, the effect on battery runtime should be neglectible
13:35:54wodzhttp://www.pastie.org/965297 this is ISR code
13:37:11funmangrey_scroll_left(1) crashes the clip & yh920 sims
13:39:29amiconnwodz: To me that looks like the adc is free running, i.e. each interrupt will make it start the next channel immediately
13:40:20wodzyes
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13:40:29amiconnWhat I mean is: Have a tick task that starts conversion of channel 0. After those 4096 cycles the adc isr will fire, reading channel 0, then starting conversion of channel 1
13:41:02amiconnAt the next interrupt, read channel 1, then start channel 2, and again for channel 3
13:41:26amiconnAt the 4th interrupt, read channel 3 but do *not* start another conversion
13:41:30wodzand after 4 reads disable adc interrupt?
13:41:56amiconnThis way you'll read all 4 channels exactly once per tick
13:42:15amiconnThat means 4 adc interrupts per tick, but that should be ok
13:42:52wodzI'll try this route
13:43:18funmanhm now the sim works .. strange
13:43:46amiconnThe archoses do it that way, just the hardware is a little different (the sh7034 adc has 8 channels, and can do 4 conversions in parallel, so the it converts channels 0..3 in the first batch, channels 4..7 in the second one)
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13:55:05funmanamiconn: #if (MEMORYSIZE <= 8) in plugins/SOURCES -> the '== 8' case is only for modded ondios, right ?
13:56:55B4gdermodded archoses
13:57:01funmanI disabled fft and now plugins build with 64kB buffer, but i need to clean overlay building
13:57:11funmanB4gder: ok
13:57:33funmanso I could put MEMORYSIZE <= 2 || CONFIG_CODEC != SWCODEC instead
13:58:54funmanerr, or just PLUGIN_BUFFER <= 0x10000
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14:01:53funmanplugin makefiles just look for RECORDER/ONDIO in the target to enable overlays
14:03:24funmannot sure what to do here, we'd need to add something to the toplevel Makefile
14:09:16funmanhm lua needs 0x80000 plugin buffer, but there's an overlay anyway?
14:10:04wodzamiconn: something like this? http://www.pastie.org/965348
14:12:44Tornefunman: the low-memory targets can't do anything useful with lua no matter where you load lua itself, i think
14:12:49Tornefunman: it needs loads of ram full stop :)
14:12:54funmanok
14:17:16funmansokoban does dirty tricks
14:17:41funman/* Use either all but 16k of the plugin buffer for level data * or 128k, which ever is less */
14:17:56funman>assuming the code always fits in 16k
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14:57:35kugelfunman: no fft on the clip? :(
14:59:01funmanyeah it works but i chose rockboy :/
14:59:49n1sfunman: how much too large is the fft plugin?
14:59:59funmanwe need to ask archivator if we can reduce the size of the plugin
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15:00:11kugelfunman: c200v2 still has the huge plugin buffer?
15:00:12n1sit looks to me like the constant arraysd can be halved since they are symmetrical
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15:00:21funmanit built with 0x28000 not with 0x20000
15:00:36funmankugel: yeah didn't change it, perhaps it's different because of the color
15:00:51n1sif we can do that it should save about 30kB
15:00:53funmanfor m200v4 it should be identical to the clip
15:01:31funmanI just need an idea on how to build conditionally overlays in plugins makefiles
15:01:55funmanwe can't give information to the makefile from the SOURCES file
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15:02:36wodzstandard soultion is to generate Makefile from some template
15:02:49kugelfunman: what information do you need?
15:02:56funmanPLUGIN_BUFFER_SIZE
15:03:09funmanwell we could just run the preprocessor
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15:04:04kugelcould you have some overlay.make, which is run through cpp, and include it in plugins.make?
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15:05:07funman`echo PLUGIN_BUFFER_SIZE|cpp $CPPFLAGS -E -|grep -v ^\#` would do the trick
15:06:22kugelthat only works for -DDEFINES passed from configure, not for the ones in config.h, doesn't it?
15:07:12funmanah right, we need echo #include\\nPLUGIN ...
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15:12:04funmanah -P removes teh comments
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15:13:14funmani should be able to call preprocess(-)
15:14:53funmanno i can't give it standard input :/
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15:28:00funmanifeq ($(findstring YES, $(call preprocess, $(APPSDIR)/plugins/build_overlay)), YES)
15:28:22funmanbuild_overlay being #include "config.h" #if PLUGIN_BUFFER_SIZE <= 0x10000 YES #else NO #endif
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16:01:55funmanzxbox runs, but not enough memory for rockboy :/
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16:04:51funmanah, tetris works, but not the pokemon models -> different cartridges have different capacities
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16:15:26funmanaudiobuffer almost 700kB, hopefully it's enough to get rid of playback crashes completely
16:21:47funmanon c200v2 the ppmviewer needs at least 0x50000 bytes (we use 0x60000 atm) so it's a no-go
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16:28:06kugelit's debatable if ppmviewer is that important
16:28:43kugelfunman: haven't you run pokemon before or was that clipv2/+?
16:28:52funmanclipv2
16:29:11funmani suppose those are color roms also
16:29:30kugelonly yellow edition and above I think
16:30:13kugelred, blue, yellow run on the very first gameboy
16:32:09funman15:20 runtime on clipv2/+
16:32:45kugelawesome
16:33:18kugelfunman: could we do a little trick for boosting?
16:33:35funmanhopefully
16:33:39funmandidn't look at it for a while
16:33:46funmanfirst i want to make sure charging works alright
16:34:08kugelboost with boost counter = 1 as default, so that enabling boosting is a matter of going to the debug menu?
16:34:15funmanah
16:34:15kugelthe first boost should be boot*
16:34:23funmani prefer to make it work perfectly ;)
16:34:38kugelthat allows to test it without recompiling
16:34:40funmanat least we know there is no other nasty bug so the effects of boosting will be easily visible
16:35:07kugelI'm not suggesting once for all solution here for sure
16:35:36funmanhm we're not far: game boy games use 8kB / 32kB or 128kB memory
16:39:02funmanrockboy use 369kB of ram + malloc
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16:45:42funmankugel: http://pastie.org/965675
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16:53:14funmanhm charging currents are different in as3543
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16:55:02funmanclipv2 OF use 55mA@3.9V
16:55:17funmanthreshold for the charger EOC
16:55:27funman-> 30% of constent current
16:55:47funmanrockbox seems to charge too slowly
16:56:04funmanshould we just disable charging to be sure to not make damages ?
16:56:14funmani think we never tested if that worked properly on the other AMS
16:56:16kugelwhy should me cause damae?
16:56:22funmandunno
16:56:30kugelbecause we charge slower?
16:56:35funmanbecause we charge wrongly
16:56:54funmannow we just use the e200v1 settings on all AMS
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17:09:28Strife89linuxstb: I see. It was a long shot in the dark, so oh well.
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17:11:21amiconnfunman: Regarding rockboy - there are roms from 16KB up to 4MB
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17:11:42amiconnOf course the larger roms won't load on archos either up to 1MB work
17:12:14amiconnInsert a ' - ' where appropriate
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17:12:26funmanloader.c says /* Ram size should be no larger then 16 banks 1Mbit */
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17:13:07funmanbut then the code says it's 16 banks of 8kb
17:13:36amiconnBank switching is fun...
17:13:54amiconnThe gameboy cpu is a modified Z80
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17:21:27Tornefunman: 16 banks of 1Mbit is 16 banks of 8KB :)
17:21:42Torneer, 16 banks totalling 1Mbit
17:22:01funmanah amiconn was speaking about rom
17:22:06funmani didn't see rom allocation
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17:29:19Tornefunman: btw, if you have any clue how this overlay stuff works, could you make frotz overlayable? :)
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17:29:34Tornefrotz *would* work as an overlay, but i couldn't work out how to do it
17:29:47Torneso i just gave up and required a large plugin buffer ;)
17:29:57amiconnOverlays are quite simple these days
17:30:38Torneoh wait
17:30:42Tornehang on, maybe i didn't
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17:30:46TorneAaah, yes, i cheated
17:30:53Tornefrotz doesn't work on SH
17:31:00Tornebecause nobody has implemented setjmp/longjmp for SH yet
17:31:02funmanyou have no excuses now ;)
17:31:10Torneit happens that the only targets whose pluginbufs are too small for frotz are SH
17:31:28Torne(and various not-even-unusable status targets)
17:31:33Torneso i got away with just doing nothing
17:31:41Tornesomeone should probably implement longjmp on sh
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17:34:57Tornewait, does frotz fit on clip with the reduced plugin buffer size, then?
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17:35:23funmanit built yes
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17:36:39Tornehmm, frotz is only 67kb on ARM
17:36:44Tornei remember it being bigger :)
17:36:58Tornehow big is the clip's audio buffer now, then?
17:37:05funmanbit less than 700k
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17:38:03TorneAh, so frotz should work fine then :)
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17:38:51funmanwhere can i get a program?
17:39:01amiconnfunman: The greylib buffer isn't exactly large. Clip is 128x64?
17:39:18funmanranma: http://pastie.org/965783 <- perhaps this can help ?
17:39:22funmanyeah
17:39:49Tornefunman: the manual has many links :)
17:39:50Tornefunman: ftp://ftp.ifarchive.org/if-archive/games/inform/curses.z5
17:39:57Tornethat's a giant monstrosity of a game
17:40:01Tornebut it should fit
17:40:20Torneit will have to steal the audio buffer, though
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17:41:09TorneSo yeah, frotz fits on everything except targets with 64KB plugin buffers, which is only archos, and it doesn't work on archos anyway because it doesn't have longjmp()
17:41:28kugelTorne: archos, and now clipv1 I think
17:41:33funmanright
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17:41:37Torneer, really?
17:41:49Tornehow big is it on clipv1, then?
17:41:57funmansame than archos
17:41:58TorneOhhh, part of its memory usage is proportional to screen size
17:42:02funmanoops no
17:42:03funman64kB
17:42:05Tornei'm looking at ipodvideo
17:42:11Tornewhich obviously needs a huge screen buffer :)
17:42:14Torneclipv1 doesn't, i guess
17:42:19funmanarchos use 32kB
17:42:22amiconnHmm, fft uses buffered mode, so the greylib needs 24KB of buffer
17:42:23Torneit must be pretty close
17:42:30Torneamiconn: this isn't a graphical buffer :)
17:42:34Torneit's a tty-like buffer, so it's smaller
17:42:53Tornetwo bytes per character, for whatever fits in sysfont :)
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17:43:02funmanTorne: it says 'welcome'
17:43:08Tornepress play
17:43:18Torneor select
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17:43:22Torneor whatever enter is mapped to
17:43:22amiconnI'm referring to funman's comment for r26141: "fft won't run as it needs a large plugin buffer for greylib "
17:43:26Torneah
17:43:28funmanit says it's my own fault :'(
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17:43:34Tornefunman: yeah it'll do that :)
17:43:37Torneit's called a story
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17:43:41Torne;)
17:44:02Tornethere's only three buttons in frotz (menu/enter/keyboard input), so you should be able to guess mostly :)
17:44:18funmanyeah it seems to work fine
17:44:19Tornei should probably "dynamically" allocate the screen data array as well
17:44:24Tornejust to make it a little smaller
17:44:41Tornewell, that's good
17:44:43funmanamiconn: i hit the limit where fft built but didn't run
17:44:46Tornei'm just surprised it fits in 64kb
17:44:58funmanbut now fft won't build
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17:46:02amiconnfire.rock is a corner case on archos. It wouldn't work fullscreen, so we reduced its display width a bit
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17:51:29pixelmaonly since it was made a PLA plugin
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17:52:30kugelgevaerts: http://pastie.org/965811 unifies init()
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17:54:25gevaertskugel: hm, maybe more stubs would be nicer?
17:54:36kugelI wondered about that too, I wasn't sure
17:54:43TorneHeh, frotz is only 57KB on clipv1.. the huge screen on ipodvideo really must make that much difference
17:55:53kugelgevaerts: I think I'll wait for it until I have some proper #defines for hosted platforms. stubs work, but stuff like i2c_init() just doesn't make sense and shouldn't need a stub, no?
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17:56:57gevaertshm, maybe
17:57:10gevaertsI don't really like too many ifdefs in there
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17:57:42kugelpart of the problem is that init() contains a lot target specific stuff
17:58:03gevaertsyes, indeed
17:58:43kugelthose should either be moved into the target's system_init() or whatever or be generalized
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17:58:59*gevaerts agrees
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18:00:16mtgevaerts: (Very late reply) : I've done my paper work. (~5 days ago)
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18:02:29kugelgevaerts: for example the two usb otg init()s, other usb otg targets seem to do it differently
18:03:06gevaertskugel: well, if you feel like cleaning that up, I won't stop you :)
18:03:37kugelI figured :)
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18:06:58ssorgatem_what's the ##PORT# folder in the fuze?
18:07:11Tornesome kind of MTP thing
18:07:13Torneignore it
18:07:19ssorgatem_I see that ##MUSIC# is where everything put in MTP goes...
18:07:36ssorgatem_just renamed it from rockbox
18:07:48ssorgatem_and now I an see it through MSC
18:08:05ssorgatem_It has fuze icons from sandisk
18:08:07kugelgevaerts: that's confusing
18:08:54kugelisp1362.c has isp1362_init(), isp1583.c has usb_drv_init() (both in firmware/drivers), usb-as3525.c has usb_init_device() :\
18:11:37kugelah, but usb-drv-as3525.c has usb_drv_init() too
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18:12:40kugelohhh
18:12:47gevaertsThere's a difference between those, but I can't really remember :(
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18:13:00kugelI see, the two in init() are for non-usbstack targets
18:13:00Bz" thumbs up " rockbox works perfectly on my ipod nano 2g
18:14:05markunBz: congratulations :)
18:15:44BzSome of the games complain on no roms, the alarm clock application shuts the ipod down but those are the only two small things i found, other than that it built my music library perfectly, dimmer, lock ect works.. :)
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18:16:10Torne"some of"? presumably just pacbox
18:16:28Tornesince that's the only one you can run directly that needs a rom
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18:17:51BzSorry, came out wrong lol, just pacbox indeed
18:18:41kugelgevaerts: it's a) confusing and b) I don't feel like changing the init sequence (which is often for targets I don't own
18:19:12AlexPBz: We cannot legally distribute pacman ROMS, you need to extract the from the arcade machine you own
18:19:13Tornewhat do you mean the alarm clock shuts the ipod down, also?
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18:19:43kugel(which is often fragile)*
18:20:01amiconnTorne: Btw, shutdown/ reboot problems seem to have come back on my Mini G2
18:20:47Torneamiconn: yeah, clearing iram maybe isn't sufficient for everyone :(
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18:21:18amiconnThe older solution, where the low-bat icon appeared for a few seconds every shutdown worked well, apart from that visual quirk
18:21:48TorneThe sample size is big enough now that i think it's safe to say that this definately differs across models, if not firmware versions
18:22:05Tornenobody with ipodvideo has reported still having problems
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18:22:12Torneand ipodvideo very commonly had them before either fix was in place
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18:22:27BzTorne: Not sure, first time i tried it i set it to go off two minutes in the future and the screen faded away, just tested it another 5 times with diffeent intervals, no problems, must'ave accidently hit a button
18:22:53Torneif it works now then i dunno :)
18:23:14CIA-5New commit by 03ranma (r26145): Enable/disable second pll dynamically on usb plugin/remove.
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18:23:30Torneamiconn: I was pondering erasing iram at startup
18:23:56Torneto catch anything that might cause reboots/poweroffs without going through the poweroff function that clears iram
18:24:13Bz:P Can i manage the songs with amarok? I've had a grudge against itunes for years and refuse to use it :/
18:24:23TorneBz: you can do it with anything..
18:24:27vaguerantI just grabbed the latest Clip+ build with rockboy support; had a couple of minor Qs: any chance of disabling scaling (I know, tiny screen, but some games use smaller viewports and could be panned to display enough to be playable without scaling)?, and secondly does the emu reboot when ROMs crash or is that another issue−−when I hit Start or Select (volume up/down) Faceball 2000 just resets instead of beginning the game.
18:24:42Torneyou don't need to "manage" them at all, you can just stick files on there :)
18:25:43Bz:P I'm unfamiliar with the directory structure of an ipod, where do i stick the files? It was only yesterday when i picked it up and said to myself rockbox is going on this today. Prior to that i'd never really touched my ipod lol
18:25:49TorneBz: Anywhere
18:25:59TorneRockbox doesn't care in the slightest about the "ipod directory structure"
18:26:06Torneput the files anywhere you feel like, in any structure you want
18:27:10BzGreat i just had a brief look, seems their stored in a directory called Ipod_Control/Music at the moment so i'll move them soon to just /Music lol
18:27:50Torneitunes mangles the filenames and does various weird things to them
18:28:15kugelgevaerts: they don't have usb stack, any idea where to put it?
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18:29:43BzOh yeah, i remember when i first owned a music player and accidently left it plugged into my dad's computer. When i took it out in the morning i found that itunes had turned all my music into .acc and would no longer play, no idea what my dad or itunes did but made me refuse to use itunes ever again lol
18:30:21BzAt the time i was pretty much computer illiterate so it was the end of the world for me lol :P
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18:32:23kugelmaybe at the end of usb_init
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18:40:44ranmafunman: The dump is intentional. Clean will overwrite the dmaed buffer it the memory area is dirty for some reason :)
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18:47:02evilnick_BTorne: Am I right in thinking that the new iPod bootloader (with support for large disks), once installed, should work with any current build, with large disks?
18:47:16evilnick_Bi.e. the current build works with large disks now?
18:47:43Torneyes
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18:48:28Tornei turned LBA48 on for every disk target except archos
18:48:40Torneand I fixed the large-physical-sector code to only do the workaround if single sector acccesses fail
18:48:59ranmakugel: usb_drv_init might be better called usb_drv_enable, since it's not an init function called at boot time...
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18:51:07evilnick_BTorne: Thanks, wanted confirmation before replying stating that as fact :)
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18:52:08Torneevilnick_B: yeah, that guy is really messing something up
18:52:47*evilnick_B hopes that it was just that they didn't realise that the bootloader and build have to both be capable
18:52:57evilnick_B...of larger disk support
18:54:04domonokyTorne: does the bootloader on the download server now also supports large disks ?
18:55:07Torneevilnick_B: no, i already explained that to him
18:55:11Torneevilnick_B: he PM'ed me originally
18:55:15Tornedomonoky: no
18:55:21Tornedomonoky: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=24570.0
18:55:32Torneupdated ipod bootloaders are still awaiting testing on several models
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18:55:47Tornealso we have an outstanding problem with LCD contrast on the b/w ipods which i have no idea what to do about
18:56:07Torneso for now I haven't released it, on the assumption that anyone who desperately needs large disk support should be able to install my bootloader manually
18:56:35domonokythen that might be the problem of the guy on the mailing list. Rockbox Utility will install the bootloader from the server if they use "Complete/Small Install".
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18:56:55TorneYes. We told him this already.
18:57:56Tornehe's posted the same thing in a bunch of places seperately, and received different advice from each :)
18:58:01Tornethis probably isn't helping
18:58:08Tornealso i snapped at him somewhat because he started off by PMing me personally
18:58:36TorneI'm going to delete the large drive test build thread
18:58:42Torne(and the files on my server)
18:58:46Tornenobody should be using that any more.
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19:01:26Ypsywtf is the default date for the sansa fuze really 4:20? :DD
19:01:38kugelfunman (logs): http://pastie.org/965959 definittely works better
19:02:04Torneright, deleted my old test builds and their threads. that might help people ask questions in less places :)
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19:06:23kugelfunman: I'd say it's comparable to fuzev1 (even a bit better) with that
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19:06:39kugelLuca_S: can you try http://pastie.org/965959 on your fuzev2?
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19:06:56Luca_Ssure, give me a couple minutes
19:07:08kugelpreferably against r26059
19:07:20kugelit should fix the erratric scrollwheel once for all
19:09:02Tornesoap: is this thread still useful/needed? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=17841.0
19:09:52LloreanTorne: I'd imagine since it's locked, it should be removed.
19:10:07LloreanI mean, at this point, if anything in it needed preserved it should've been moved to the wiki.
19:10:26Tornewell, i'll leave it to soap or saratoga to save me thinking too much :)
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19:13:15gevaertskugel: you could of course opt to leave the init cleanup to someone else :)
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19:15:52Luca_Si'll just edit the code
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19:20:13Luca_Skugel: actually the patch can't be applied as is to r26059, the loop isn't there so the #if 0 can't be applied. i'll test the single changed line on r26059.
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19:28:22amiconnTorne: Why not restore the earlier fix? At least it worked reliably
19:28:40amiconnDoes it clean all iram now?
19:29:17amiconnIt seems like there are more problems atm - rolo doesn't seem to work
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19:31:47Luca_Sthe wheel works fine with this fix
19:32:20Luca_Sacceleration is maybe a little bit too fast, but is definitely better than now
19:32:32Luca_Si'll leave it playing for half an hour to see if it still freezes
19:32:52Torneamiconn: the earlier fix made people's ipods wake up at random times
19:33:11amiconnHmm, I never had that happen
19:33:15Tornerolo shouldn't be affected
19:33:17Torneme either
19:33:35Tornerolo doesn't hit the code that clearfs iram
19:33:53Torneit only clears plugin/codec iram
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19:34:34Tornei can't see how rolo could be impacted tbh
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19:35:44amiconnI don't know, but last time I updated my mini, rolo didn't work
19:35:57Torneworks for me
19:36:12Torneand the iram clearing is done literally at poweroff
19:36:17amiconn(the auto-rolo that appears after usb if rockbox.ipod changed)
19:37:16Tornenot during shutdown, immediately before acking the pcf to turn off
19:38:25Torneso yeah, clearing iram works for some, but not all
19:38:28amiconnDoes the code take care of the COP?
19:38:40Tornetake care how?
19:38:48Torneit doesnt do anything to it
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19:39:22Tornethe old fix worked for everyone but made some peoples ipod power on from alarm at random times
19:39:36Tornewasting power and usually booting the of
19:39:41amiconnThat it doesn't write to iram or run amok due to its currently executed code going away
19:39:48Torneaalso it was ugly :)
19:40:11Torneah
19:40:29Torneno, i was assuming cop would be quiescent by poweroff time
19:40:47Torneit should be if we're doing a clean shutdown
19:41:03Tornenot for unclean i guess but unclean sucks anyway
19:41:22amiconnWell, it might be trapped in an endless loop for that, but if this loop suddenly goes away...
19:41:52Tornewhy would it be in codec iram?
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19:42:02amiconnHmm, codec?
19:42:14cxoDo you guys know of an alternate firmware for the old Creative Zen Micro
19:42:15Torneit only wipes the latter half of iram
19:42:16amiconnI was thinking that the entire iram is overwritten
19:42:24Tornethe part codecs and plugins use
19:42:35Torneit doesnt touch the part core uses
19:42:54Tornebecause i didnt want to woprry about overwriting my own stack or similar
19:43:32Torneafaik the ipod reboot data is right at the top of iram anyway
19:44:00Torneit only erasdes that much because it was easy to do so and not noticably slow
19:45:26Tornerather than decide what needed erasing i went with erasing everything that seemed safe :)
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19:47:37Torneamiconn: i'm not sure what to do tbh
19:48:00Tornethe other fix was worse than no fix for some people
19:48:08Tornebecause of the phantom alarms
19:48:27Tornethe code already did evderything possible to stop alarms activating
19:48:55Luca_Skugel: I applied your latest patch to current svn and it seems like there is a problem when changing direction - IIRC the wheel is supposed to decelerate, but it doesn't happen
19:48:55Torneevidentlyy some OF versions override that and set the alarm anyway
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19:49:31Tornethis fix at least shouldnt cause new problems, i believe your rolo issue is umrelated...
19:49:32amiconnHow does the OF set the alarm when rockbox is shutting down the hardware?
19:49:56Tornewith the other fix, the OF shts the hardware off, not us
19:50:16amiconnah
19:50:21Torneit reboots to of instead of powering off
19:50:47Tornewith a magic string in ram that says 'battery is dead, shut power off for now'
19:50:48Torneish
19:51:29*amiconn thinks we need our own loader
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19:54:02Tornemaybe. go write one? :)
19:55:43Torneamiconn: anyway, if you have a sujggestion i'm open to changing it
19:56:05Tornebut the last fix as is makes stuff worse for some, so i don't like it
19:56:18Torneand this fix definately works on my ipod
19:56:38Torneused to have to reset at least one time n four, now, never
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19:58:39funmancharging seems to work on fuzev1
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20:14:11topikis there a way to have the clip+ not show the big usb icon but just the menu so you can see things like debug info?
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20:22:14pamaurydisable usb storage
20:23:27funmanpamaury: USE_ROCKBOX_USB shouldn't be defined
20:23:57funmani think you did the reverse of what it should have been : you disabled USB_HANDLED_BY_OF and enabled USE_ROCKBOX_USB :o
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20:29:12notlisteningHeya what happened on the sansa in regard to usb today?
20:29:45notlisteningsorry the as3525v2's ;)
20:30:05Luca_Sreliable usb detection for now
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20:30:19notlisteningaww good news
20:30:21Luca_Splus some groundwork for usb drivers, but not much really
20:30:47notlisteningthey have always been an issue on the v2's
20:31:02topikthe issue being not existing?
20:31:11sawdogHi, I have googled, read FAQs, manuals, mailing list looking for my answer: I've got an iPod Video 5.5 gen with a 240 GB drive upgrade; installing the default bootloader causes a panic due to an unsupported physical sector size. I see that I can rebuild the bootloader and installer after modifying ./firmware/export/config-ipodvideo.h - I have tried to setup my mac for the crosscompiler to rebuild things myself but am getting errors
20:31:36TorneThere is no need to build anything
20:31:41evilnick_Bsawdog: Are you yojojo10 on the forums?
20:31:48sawdognope
20:31:58TorneWhere are there still instructions that say youneed to modify rockbox?
20:31:59sawdoghaven't signed up
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20:32:24CIA-5New commit by 03funman (r26146): don't let logf() and DEBUGF() be empty statements
20:32:29Tornesawdog: current builds support large drives, but we've not rleased an updated bootloader yet
20:32:36bluebrothersetting up the cross compiler on OS X is a bit of a problem. I haven't succeeded on 10.6 (any advice welcome)
20:32:45Tornethere is a test build of the new bootloader here: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=24570.0
20:32:51Torneso, you don't need to build anything.
20:32:54sawdogsweet
20:33:16Tornewhere did you find instructions that said you had to modify it yourself?
20:33:21sawdogthanks torne, I will read and try that out
20:33:26Torne(i'm trying to track them down so i can fix them)
20:33:35sawdoghttp://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2009-03/0044.shtml
20:33:44sawdogthat thread
20:33:52Torneah, that's over a year old
20:33:54Jaykayhi :) did the buildsystem improve in the last few weeks? i remember build rounds needing 3 minutes some time ago, now they need 2min
20:33:57Torne(and is a worse way of doing it)
20:34:08TorneJaykay: for a while they wre down to 1:30 or so, it just varies as build clients come and go
20:34:34sawdogtorne: that was all I could find....
20:35:12Tornenext time look on the forums ;)
20:35:12*Jaykay would participate in the system if he weren't so lazy
20:35:37notlisteningJaykay i say that with life
20:36:11*funman wonders wtf he did
20:36:43vaguerantfunman, you spy my post re: rockboy + scaling?
20:36:50funmannope
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20:37:21vagueranthttp://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=24768.msg167013#msg167013
20:37:23Tornesawdog: anyway, asuming you already installed hte current build, you just need to replace the bootloader with that one
20:37:47sawdogyeah, almost there
20:37:54sawdogwill let you know how it goes in a flash
20:38:40funmanvaguerant: well i don't know how to hack rockboy, if you want to patch it i'm ok with that though
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20:40:04funmanwe don't have a stdbool.h -> do we use a gcc header?
20:40:37sawdogtorne: the output is 'odd' - don't wanna spam it, but isn't obviosu if I succeeded or not
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20:40:58Tornethe output of what, ipodpatcher?
20:41:11Tornecopy and paste it to http://pastebin.com/
20:41:46sawdogtorne; http://pastebin.com/5A29RjzR
20:42:37Tornehm, pastebin appears to be broken :)
20:42:53Torneah, yes, it's read-only while they move host
20:43:13Tornetry pastebin.org ;)
20:43:55sawdoghttp://pastebin.org/249377
20:44:10sawdoglooking to ensure I am doing it right
20:45:00TorneNo, that failed
20:45:12CIA-5New commit by 03funman (r26147): plugins: undefine DEBUG macros just in case, before defining them to a real statement
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20:46:06funmanhm the gcc "from.*" aren't counted as errors but are displayed in red anyway
20:46:49vaguerantI dunno what's going on in lcd.c for rockboy. There's a bunch of commented out stuff which does screen size checking to decide whether or not the scaling options should be made available.
20:46:53sawdogtorne: any clues?
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20:47:04vaguerantBut it's doing it now anyway so maybe it's duplicated somewhere else.
20:47:22Tornesawdog: no, perhaps some kind of permissions error? i don't know how security works on mac os.
20:47:31sawdogtorne: I cold try on windows - I have a vm running
20:47:33Tornesawdog: on windows you need to run ipodpatcher as administrator, on linux you need to run it with sudo
20:47:37Tornei don't know about macos
20:47:44sawdogah, I could try sudo :/
20:47:49pamauryfunman: yeah, I defined USB_ROCKBOX_USB to avoid reboot, otherwise I can't develop :)
20:48:04funmanpamaury: well you can modify it in your build
20:48:13funmanrebooting on usb plug is cool imo
20:48:27funmanbut if that means you're confident into finishing the driver soon, ok with me :)
20:48:47pamauryyes of course, feel free to modify it because I don't plan to finish very soon :) And I can't commit from hehe
20:48:50pamaury*here
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20:49:25funmanare you ok with rebooting on plugging?
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20:51:02pamauryI have the impression (which might prove false) that the as3535 usb controller is really really low level
20:51:48CIA-5New commit by 03funman (r26148): Clip+: reboot on USB insert
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20:52:14topikgood times. compiling time. thanks funman. and pamaury too for the effort.
20:53:17sawdogtorne: looks like worked under windows
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20:53:57pamaurythe linux driver is awfully complicated because the controller used (the sysnopsis) is in fact a kind of generic usb interface which reports its capabilities (!) which are quite wide I must admit. The driver handles pretty much everything which makes it really hard to read and understand :(
20:54:25sawdogtorne: It wrote the bootload, but when it rebooted i saw a rockbox logo, then it panic'd with the unsupported physical sector size of 4096
20:54:31funmanhttp://img704.imageshack.us/img704/375/fuze.png <- fuzev1 charge
20:54:41vaguerantActually I just suck at C, these aren't comments.
20:54:59funmani unplugged/replugged it 2 times, and it finally stopped charging
20:55:11funmanpamaury: you mean capabilities as host & device?
20:55:25pamaurycapability of everything
20:55:46funmancan it make coffee?
20:55:56pamaurydma type (or no dma), phy type (hs, fs), endpoint, fifo size, multiple tx fifo or not, otg or not, everything is like that
20:56:12pamauryutmi or ulpi, utmi width size, ...
20:56:16Tornesawdog: is that the only thing it says on the screen?
20:56:24Tornesawdog: or does it say bootloader version something etc as well
20:56:25topikyou logged the charging, funman ?
20:56:40pamauryI'm prettry sure there is coffee bit hidden somewhere
20:56:46funmanyes, battery_bench.txt starting from empty
20:56:51Luca_Sshould I open a feature request for that? :D
20:57:00funmanit goes very fast at the beginning and slows down, this looks normal?
20:57:04topikah, clever. only considered battery_bench for draining :)
20:57:09funmanalso it goes a bit faster at the end
20:57:20Tornesawdog: if it's just that, then the bootloader worked, but you have the wrong build
20:57:24sawdogtorne: exaclty: *PANIC* Unsupported physical sector size: 4096
20:57:31sawdogtorne: nothing else
20:57:32TorneYou don't have a current build on there, then
20:57:41Torneare you using 3.5.1?
20:57:49Tornethat doesn't support large disks
20:57:58topikperhaps odd how it charges faster in the end
20:58:00Torneyou need to use the current development build from svn
20:58:28sawdogtorne: ah, so I need to redo fetching current over the released version
20:58:34Torneyes.
20:58:40sawdogk, back to that
20:59:14funmancharge took 3:05
20:59:22Tornesawdog: after the next release this won't be needed any more :)
20:59:40Tornelarge disk support was just only added recently
20:59:47sawdogno sweat; I can live with it today….
20:59:52funmanafter 10% of the time the charge level was already at 57% :o
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21:00:02AlexPspeaking of releases....
21:00:08AlexPBefore/after devcon?
21:00:29funmanwell it's just using a linear curve from 3.3V to 4.2V
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21:01:47TorneAlexP: i was going to use devcon as an opportunity to maybe test the ipod bootloaders more for release
21:01:52Tornebut that's independant of 3.6
21:02:06AlexPYeah
21:02:06bertrikyou can't really tell how far lithium battery charging is by just looking at the voltage alone
21:02:22AlexPPersonally I'd quite like 3.6 pre-devcon so new exciting stuff can happen at devcon
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21:02:53bertrikat some point (well before completion of the charge), the charger goes from constant-current into constant-voltage mode, and you'd have to monitor the charge current to get an idea of charge progress
21:03:20sawdogtorne: g2g
21:03:42AlexP3.5 was release 03/02 - so 3.5 months now
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21:03:58AlexPJust before devcon would make it just over 4 months
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21:04:19TorneAlexP: i'd like to get the ipod bootloaders out before/with 3.6 if possible, though
21:04:28Torneso that we can claim 3.6 supports large disks without any messing about ;)
21:04:42Tornei am still missing a few models for testing
21:04:46Tornethough i suspect it's fine
21:04:49AlexPTorne: The only thing is that it can hamper devcon if no-one can commit new stuff during it
21:04:55TorneAlexP: yes, quite
21:05:04topikinvite funman. sir commits-a-lot.
21:05:08TorneAlexP: so releasing the bootloader sooner
21:05:10AlexPI seem to remember us releasing just before devcon last year
21:05:11Tornewould be good :)
21:05:17AlexPTorne: Yes :)
21:05:21AlexPWhat are you missing?
21:05:25Torneer
21:05:25AlexP+targets
21:05:26Tornecheck the thread
21:05:37AlexPWhich thread?
21:05:40Tornealso im not sure what to do about this greyscale contrast thing
21:05:45Tornein the test build forum
21:05:51Tornethat's all the results i'e had
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21:06:49AlexPTorne: All the ipods seem covered by regulars: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/RockboxTesting
21:07:03AlexPTorne: Perhaps some poking of specific people would help?
21:07:10Tornemaybe.. i can't right now though ;)
21:07:18Torneif someone else wants to help with that i'd appreciate it
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21:08:12funmanfrom 80% to 100% of charging the voltage readout is constant
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21:08:42funmanalso, readout is always higher when the charger is plugged
21:08:57topikand unplugging gives 2 percent extra charge
21:09:07funmantopik: just talking about fuzev1 here
21:09:19topikoh, i only just compiled that
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21:10:22topikupgrading firmware is faster than 'refreshing media'
21:10:40topikas a method to get back into rockbox
21:10:55TorneAlexP: i really don't know what to do about greyscale contrast: the greyscale players have a fixed contrast in the bootlaoder (the default value for rockbox proper) and on some greyscale ipods the contrast value may be wrong eonugh that you can't read bootloader error messages
21:11:11Tornethe default for one of them got changed a while back and the new value is too light for at least one person
21:11:20Tornebut the old value was too *dark* for someone else
21:11:30*AlexP sends a mail
21:12:10AlexPTorne: I take it there isn't an inbetween value that works for both?
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21:12:21Tornepossibly
21:12:25Torneonly one of the users is around, though
21:12:35Tornei forget who it was, it was someone here who found the new bootloader was too light to read
21:12:46Tornethe person who said the old value was too dark was years ago
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21:12:51Tornein a flyspray report
21:12:57Tornewe could jst change it to a number between the two
21:13:04Torneand assume the other models' contrast is ok as they have not changed
21:13:06Torne:)
21:13:52AlexPI'd go for that :)
21:13:58AlexPAs long as you can still read it
21:14:15Tornei have no idea :)
21:14:18Tornei don't have any such players
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21:14:59Torneit was jhMikeS who found it was too light
21:15:03AlexPah right
21:15:50AlexPIt looks like it is mainly amiconn who I could poke for the testing - he has 1G, 2G and colour that need a look
21:16:03Torneit was on a 3G
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21:16:24AlexPamiconn: If you get the chance, could you test the bootloader here: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=24570.0 Thanks
21:16:28funmanjhMikeS: wouldn't battery_voltage_sync() be unneeded (5 reads averaged) if you wait for adc end of conversion on PP ?
21:16:34AlexPTorne: YEah, I mean in general for the release
21:16:36Tornei think amiconn did already test at least one of those
21:16:46TorneAlexP: yah, i'm doing this asynchronously :)
21:16:46AlexPah, so not in the thread!
21:16:52Tornemaybe not. :)
21:16:58Tornei haven't kept very good track then
21:17:14TornejhMikeS: can you experiment with your 3g and see what a good compromise for contrast might be?
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21:17:47AlexPThe thread seems to have multiple video tests, and a mini 2g
21:17:52AlexPAh, and 2G too
21:18:00AlexPamiconn: Forget the 2G :)
21:19:48TornejhMikeS: for reference the old contrast default was 55, the new one is 40; can you fiddle to see what range is visible for you? :)
21:20:28*Torne goes for now, though
21:20:39AlexPIt appears from the list that domonoky has a 4G greyscale
21:20:45AlexPdomonoky: is this still the case?
21:21:21domonokyjup, but dont know if it still works. We can try at devcon :-)
21:21:51AlexPdomonoky: It is for testing a new ipod bootloader for release, so ideally before devcon :)
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21:22:05AlexPbut not to worry if not possible :)
21:22:16domonokyoh, i will search it :-)
21:22:42AlexPta very much :)
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21:25:07topikfunman: my fuze v1 has started discharging after reaching 100% it seems. it's now at 98%
21:25:42topikcharger: present, state: discharging, charger: 81
21:25:54funmanyep it works
21:25:59*domonoky found the ipod, but it needs a charge first.
21:26:01funmanit will charge again when level is 4.1V
21:26:48topikit can't "just" run off usb power when the battery is full?
21:26:53topikor is that wip?
21:27:19AlexPdomonoky: No huge hurry, bootloader is here: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=24570.0 - thanks very much :)
21:31:24funmantopik: dunno
21:31:35funmanafaiu the charger is disabled or enabled, we can't run off usb
21:31:39funmanand not charge*
21:36:06topikhard to tell what the OF does because it just shows the stupid icon
21:37:30topikunplugging while battery is listed at 98 drops it to 96
21:40:12funmanyep that's what i'm wondering too
21:40:20funmanthere's no constant adc channel
21:44:42CIA-5New commit by 03funman (r26149): Fuzev1: calibrated charging curve ...
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22:20:58jhMikeSfunman: the sync is to remove filter lag and the multiple readings to remove jitter, nothing to do with waiting
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22:21:25archivatorI have a hypothesis that needs confirming: for a few days now I've been struggling with a bizarre flite issue - on target, the system voices short strings but crashes when voicing longer strings, taking down the entire player. I am positive it's not an OOM issue and I'm inclined to think it has to do with the complete lack of yield()s in the flite codebase. Can that be the reason?
22:23:04jhMikeSTorne: My understanding is that amiconn was looking into the method to read it from the ROM or something. Mine pretty much needs it around 60.
22:23:21Tornehm
22:23:25CIA-5New commit by 03alle (r26151): Fix a couple of typos in the manual
22:23:36Tornewell, iwe could do with getting a new bootloader out sooner rather than later, tbh :)
22:24:28jhMikeSIs it possible to have it too dark?
22:24:42Torneyes
22:24:49Tornebut i would guess that too dark is less of a problem in general
22:24:53jhMikeSyeah, not here :)
22:25:19Tornei mean, if its too dark by a bit it might be *hard* to read, but probably not impossible
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22:26:34Tornethe person who reported it was too dark did manage to get to adjust the contrast..
22:26:55Torneso, yeah. i'm tempted to just put it back to how it was, or somewhere between
22:27:11jhMikeSI'll try to give you a readable setting for my rather extreme device
22:27:13Torneunless we can get any more 3g users to test and see what "typical" might be
22:28:39jhMikeSit get just barely readable at 49, clean around 55
22:28:54jhMikeS55 is still light though
22:29:11jhMikeSnormal looking around 59
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22:55:58LloreanSomeone needs to tell yojojo that the first thing he needs to do is stop doing things that aren't in the instructions.
22:56:08LloreanI would do it, but I'm pretty sure I'll say it in a way that gets him angry.
22:56:45LloreanThe step where he's copying ipodpatcher and stuff to the device suggests he's still not following instructions by the letter, so the best bet may be to have him uninstall fully, then give him a list of specific steps that he should do *and no others*
22:57:24CIA-5New commit by 03lenzone10 (r26153): Updated italian translation.
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23:08:57TorneLlorean: he's had it explained about seven or eight times so far
23:09:08TorneLlorean: if he doesn't get it yet, then i suspect it's best to just leave it alone :)
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23:12:15ssorgatem_How can I help translating rockbox?
23:13:46bluebroth3rssorgatem_: check translate.rockbox.org
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23:14:03ssorgatem_bluebroth3r: thank you
23:14:49bluebroth3rssorgatem_: also see http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/LangFiles
23:19:25LloreanTorne: Apparently it's working now, but he thinks the problem was something that definitely wasn't.
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23:22:32TorneAh, right
23:22:35Tornei just sent a reply to his mail
23:22:36Tornenevermind
23:23:04Tornehe was *definately* overwriting the bootloader from rbutil at one point
23:23:10Tornebecausehe was getting the old bootloader's error message ;)
23:23:24Torneand i suspect he just really wasn't choosing hte right thing in rbutil
23:23:34Tornemaybe he unzipped the build manually instead
23:25:55stripwaxwhat i don't understand is, if there was clearly a forum thread for this (the advice and conversation he was having with you), why he decided to start off a separate email thread, mostly aimed at the same people he was already conversing with
23:26:25stripwaxe.g. saying what advice "they" had given him.
23:26:27Tornehe started in PM with me
23:26:29Tornein fact
23:26:32Torne:)
23:26:42stripwaxreally weird and not helpful, though, to have that on the mailing list.
23:26:52Tornei told him off for that, gave him step by step instructions, and then told him if he had any more problems to post on the forum
23:26:59stripwaxawesome :)
23:27:11stripwaxhe also emailed me personally, which took me aback a bit!
23:27:16Tornebut he didn't follow any instructions properly ;)
23:27:21stripwaxfair enough
23:27:23Tornehe's only got it working now by fluke, i imagine
23:27:38Tornehe happens to have done the wrong things in an order that means the wrong stuff gets overwritten with the right stuff ;)
23:27:48Torneinstead of previously, when he was probably doing it in the other order ;)
23:28:15*evilnick_B is glad to see that it's been resolved, finally!
23:28:54*Torne tries to make his mind up what to do about ipod 3g contrast
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23:31:09TorneDerPapst: the wiki says you have an ipod 3g.. we have a problem with the default contrast setting on 3g. can you tell me what is the lowest contrast value where the screen is readable, for you, and also can you test http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=24570.0 and tell me if you can read the bootloader's error messages okay? No huge rush but soonish would be good ;)
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23:47:16max242ping funman
23:49:24max242in some posts on the forum, i've seen posts from some people having problems with the tag cache/database
23:49:40max242can anybody tell me what kind of issues they have?
23:50:02max242i want to know if these are reproducable easily
23:51:06max242i believe successful building of the pictureflow cache depends on the tag cache/database being properly populated
23:52:08max242maybe my sansa fuze v1 is suffering from database issues without me knowing,
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23:52:38AlexPIf the database is useable then it is fine
23:52:40max242and this maybe locking up the building of the pictureflow cache?
23:52:58AlexPand yes, pictureflow requires the database
23:53:07max242i'm aware of that
23:53:22AlexPYou said "I believe", I was confirming it
23:53:23max242but what do you mean by 'database is useable'?
23:53:30AlexPCan you use it?
23:53:35max242yes i can
23:53:45AlexPThen it should be OK
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23:54:12max242are you aware of some issues being introduced since r25299?
23:54:32AlexPNot particularly, I (and virtually all the developers) don't use the database
23:54:57Tornemy database works
23:55:04Tornei can't speak for anyone else ;)
23:55:05AlexPWhat is the problem with pictureflow?
23:55:16max242e.g. bor_ka reported he has issues with a freeze on his fuze v1 in one of fora, when building his database
23:55:33max242the issue with pictureflow is in the building of the thumbnail cache
23:55:35AlexPIf the database built fine and you can use it, then it is fine
23:55:44max242it freezes the fuze entirely
23:55:44AlexP(nominally anyway)
23:56:05evilnick_Bmax242: Are the image files bmp or jpg?
23:56:27max242and i also every now and then encounter issues/lockups when building the database
23:56:36max242my image files are all jpg
23:56:37*evilnick_B wonders if this is due to progressive scan jpgs being used?
23:57:34max242well, when i build the pictureflow cache when running r25298, there is no problem at all
23:57:43max242it started ever since r25299
23:58:12evilnick_BGood, strike that as a potential problem then :)
23:58:34max242yeah, i would love to, but i am not a developer myself

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