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#rockbox log for 2010-06-06

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00:03:11saratogadoes rockboy steal the audio buffer?
00:03:50ZagorI would be surprised if it didn't
00:03:57saratogaGodEater: probably FS #11357 if you haven't seen it
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00:04:21CIA-6New commit by 03amiconn (r26599): Put an #ifdef in the technically correct place. No functional change.
00:04:23GodEatersaratoga: sweet
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00:05:14funmansaratoga: check my_malloc() in rockboy.c
00:05:38djznare wavpack files encoded with -m -h perfectly playable in rockbox? (meaning MD5, High Compression)
00:05:53funmannot sure what's the +4 for
00:06:55GodEaterdjzn: try and see?
00:07:28djznGodEater: you tell me
00:07:48saratogaare these files any different then normal wavpack files?
00:07:49GodEaterhow? I don't have any.
00:08:33djznsaratoga: of course not... they are wavpack files
00:10:06djznsaratoga: wavpack has the fast mode, normal mode, high mode, and extreme high mode... the last one is not recommended for portables, because it requires vast amount of CPU... however, I was wondering if I stick with high mode, it will occour any trouble every now and then...
00:10:53saratogawell if you're not sure how they're different, then you should probably try it and see if theres any difference
00:12:30djznsaratoga: I don't have a portable...
00:12:33Zagorfunman: configure:10478: checking linker for .hidden support
00:12:33Zagorconfigure:10534: result: yes
00:12:35TorneUnhelpful: we don't need FS #10430 any more do we? (eabi support, patch for rockboxdev.sh)
00:12:41djznsaratoga: I am thinking about getting a fuze though
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00:12:53saratogadjzn: post a file and i'll try it
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00:13:02Zagorfunman: what is your host gcc?
00:13:11djznsaratoga: do you have ipod or fuze?
00:13:18saratogahmm maybe i can just make one
00:13:33saratogawhats the command in wavpack?
00:13:47Lloreandjzn: As a tip, asking if they're "playable in Rockbox" when what you're concerned about is performance isn't very useful. Specific players have very different performances (some can be as much as 5 or 6 times the speed of others, I think)
00:13:54djzni have read that album art embedded, makes players choke... is it true, that is , is it a bad practice to embed it?
00:13:55funmani686-apple-darwin9 gcc version 4.0.1 (Apple Inc. build 5493)
00:14:04saratogait shouldn't matter
00:14:31djznLlorean: yes, you're right, so I will narrow this down to iPod classic video and Sansa Fuze...
00:14:35Zagorfunman: that could be it. I'm guessing most linux machines have a later version.
00:14:58djznsaratoga: the command i use is wavpack -m -h music.wav
00:14:58Zagormine is on 4.4.2 for example
00:15:05Zagor4.4.3 even
00:15:38Lloreandjzn: "iPod Classic" and "iPod Video" are two different devices - Rockbox supports the latter but not the former
00:15:50LloreanThe iPod video though is probably unlikely to do well with particularly CPU intensive formats.
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00:16:34djznLlorean: yes, the video one i mean
00:17:25funmangcc checks for '.hidden' visibility in ld : on linux it works but not on osx - could also be related to gcc m4 using GNU features
00:18:00*Llorean doesn't know where the AMS Sansas stand on the overall speed hierarchy.
00:18:14LloreanI believe the Cowon D2 and Gigabeast are generally toward the top.
00:18:32saratogawell it plays fine on the ClipV2
00:18:48saratogathough unless i'm missing something my build doesn't have a boost menu in the debug screen anymore?
00:19:02bertrikI think the clip didn't do so bad decoding ape compared to other targets
00:19:18saratogathe v2 is pretty good due to its very fast cpu
00:20:06djznsaratoga: did you just played the wv file?
00:20:07saratogadid we move the boost counter? i can't find it anywhere
00:20:29funmansaratoga: AMSv2 have boost disabled
00:20:38saratogaah yes
00:20:40funmanrunning at 240MHz
00:20:55saratogadjzn: yeah
00:21:33djznsaratoga: the fuze?
00:21:37saratogaclipv2
00:21:48djznsaratoga: hm! fuze will handle it
00:21:58saratogawell its the same CPU on the v2 fuze
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00:22:11LloreanIt might be worth trying extreme high mode
00:22:34djznsaratoga: if the extreme high mode plays, then it plays anything...
00:22:41LloreanSince it's hard to predict whether any given sample is a good indicator of performance or not, at least seeing if the next one up still seems to play gives you a clue
00:23:09djznsaratoga: wavpack -hh -m music.wav
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00:23:24LloreanThough how much space is gained using wavpack vs FLAC's highest compression anyway?
00:23:50djznLlorean: well, the High mode compresses about 8% more than FLAC -8
00:24:43saratogahigh needs 52MHz on PP
00:25:04Llorean8% seems pretty high, I thought it was a lot less.
00:25:39*Llorean shrugs
00:25:57LloreanSounds like high is pretty much safe on anything Rockbox runs on then?
00:26:14djznwhat about embedded art...
00:26:17djzncan it choke the player
00:26:28Lloreandjzn: Saratoga told you it shouldn't matter.
00:26:30LloreanIf it does, it's a bug.
00:27:13djznwell, it matters because... i read in the very rockbox documentation
00:27:18djznthat you shouldn't use it
00:27:34djznhowever, until which point that can be true or outdated, i am lost
00:27:43saratogain wavpack?
00:27:52djznyes
00:27:57Lloreandjzn: Which documentation says this?
00:27:59LloreanSurely not the manual?
00:28:12djznhold on
00:28:56funmanif i run gcc's configure manually then m68k linker does support '.hidden'
00:29:03djznfrom the FAQ: The database freezes when I try to initialize it, what would cause it to choke?The database does not handle embedded album art well, particularly if they're large. Try removing it. A corrupt file is another common reason for this. Verify your drives contents with checkdisk.
00:29:21LloreanYes, it's a *bug*
00:29:51LloreanIt shouldn't cause a problem, but it may.
00:30:02saratogabasically thats telling you how to trouble shoot bugs
00:30:39djzn600x600 px art
00:30:42funmani disabled m68k builds on this client (bug 'fixed')
00:30:45djznshould be fine then
00:32:13saratogapeople on ABI are still complaining that I swapped the quick screen and hold button combos
00:32:24saratogadoes anyone have any ideas about the clip+ keymap
00:32:30djznsaratoga: wavpack high requires about 58Mhz, is that what you said
00:32:39saratogai don't know, scroll up
00:32:52djznsaratoga: high needs 52MHz on PP
00:33:02djznwhich would be the ceiling to choke
00:33:15funmansaratoga: having hold being a combination is nice for accidental pocket push, although long press works too so i don't know
00:33:35funmanpeople at devcon talked about quick setting but i didn't pay much attention
00:33:37saratogathe high setting in wavpack only seems a little slower then the normal setting FWIW
00:33:49saratogai never use the quick screen so i'm not a good person to ask
00:34:12djznsaratoga: in what way slower
00:36:23funmansaratoga: if someone really cleans the clip keymap and that putting back old combination for hold is part of the patch, then i don't mind
00:36:42funmani tried to incitate the people on ABI to do it but i think it didn't work :/
00:38:38djznsaratoga: in what way did you mean slower... the UI gets slower?
00:38:47funmanslower means less faster
00:38:52saratogadjzn: its a couple MHz slower
00:39:18djznsaratoga: Oh you mean the Mhz speed... I see, like 45Mhz
00:39:48saratogafunman: your closing message in the AMS thread seems to have sparked panic: http://anythingbutipod.com/forum/showpost.php?p=475691&postcount=540
00:39:50djznsaratoga: but I should see then no difference, playing, browsing and skipping high mode files and normal mode files
00:39:56saratogayes
00:40:07saratogajust a little less battery life
00:40:33AlexPpixelma: \note{When the cursor is on the input line, \ActionKbdSelect deletes the preceding character}
00:40:36djznlike 2 hours (normal) and 1:54 (high)
00:40:41pixelmathanks
00:40:53saratogasince the high and normal files are basically the same size i would just use normal
00:41:25funmansaratoga: i suppose i could be a bit more clear
00:41:48djznsaratoga: reason for high is that is better than the highest flac setting
00:42:06saratogabetter here seems pretty useless
00:43:17djznsaratoga: if it plays alright, then there is no trouble
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00:44:54funmansaratoga: just edited the message
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00:45:16djznsaratoga: you would choose normal over high because of battery life
00:45:27djznsaratoga: because every second is precious..right
00:45:48saratogayes, as I said before the high setting seems fairly useless
00:47:37djznsaratoga: not very well articulated that assumption... since I get a few Mhz more, and a little decrese on battery life... unless this is about 30 minutes LESS for a charge
00:49:46GodEaterwoohoo, all feature requests in flyspray are now closed!
00:50:24bertrik\o\ |o| /o/
00:52:08funmansaratoga: do you have a clipv1 with a working build? i'm bissecting some regression which gives -(minus) 250kB audio buffer and now at 26313 - which does a data abort at init
00:52:48saratogafunman: yes, but its in my car
00:52:55saratogashould i go get it and try that build?
00:53:47funmansaratoga: no need i'm just going back further, i'll find a working revision soon
00:54:57saratogai'm running a build around 26000 without issues, but i haven't checked the buffer size
00:55:16funmanif it can play audio it's not affected
00:55:53saratogaoh -250KB :)
00:56:00saratogai read that as 250KB total
00:56:05djznsaratoga: you're right, a full album with 413MB with high mode, it's only 417MB in normal
00:56:07funman;)
00:56:55saratogahow does wavpack work in rockbox, I know we don't support the correction files yet, but we do allow wavpack lossy?
00:58:35Zagoranyone opposing FS #11357 (Reorganized rockboxdev.sh)? otherwise I'll commit it soon.
00:58:49funmani think my clipv1 might have overheated or something
00:59:39saratogafunman: i'm grabbing coffee, i'll go get my clip while i do
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01:00:05bertrikZagor, I trust you to do it right :)
01:05:10CIA-6New commit by 03zagor (r26600): Added GMP and MPFR workaround for EABI GCC. ...
01:06:15djznsaratoga: have you measured how much Mhz is needed for FLAC
01:06:55funmandjzn: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/CodecPerformanceComparison
01:07:51funmansaratoga: perhaps there's something wrong in my .rockbox
01:11:14djznwow flac is outstanding
01:11:22djznwhen it comes down to decoding time
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01:16:11funmani did have an english.voice, it started behaving weird when i switched rockbox language to english because rockboxers here couldn't read french ;-)
01:20:11CIA-6New commit by 03zagor (r26601): Typo: We're using mipsel, not mips.
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01:29:00literalfunman: any chance that the change by Timar/dfkt which increases volume (to 0x1b) on the Clip+ will be incorporated?
01:29:20literalit brings the maximum volume much closer to what the OF can do
01:29:27literalwithout clipping
01:31:56funmanliteral: the current value is bound to dB range (-73 to 6) i think so unless someone calculates the new ranges and checks that it's still somehow linear it'll just stay that way
01:32:13funmanwhich volume the OF does use is not a reference - we don't care about the OF
01:32:45CIA-6New commit by 03zagor (r26602): Added arm-eabi-gcc444 compiler.
01:34:08notlisteningfunman did i miss the answer about my clip+ restart issue?
01:37:09CIA-6New commit by 03zagor (r26603): Gah, revision must be bumped too.
01:37:56funmannotlistening: yes, it will work if you patch OF with next (not yet released) version of mkamsboot / rbutil. in the meantime you have to keep pressing left key if you want the OF to boot when plugging usb
01:39:23CIA-6New commit by 03zagor (r26604): Added 30 second loop delay.
01:40:09notlisteningthats fine just was not sure if it was release yet I am patient enough cheers again
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01:48:49funmanperhaps we should just make a new mkamsboot release
01:50:26funmanthis would fix usb detection on some fuzev2 and all clip+
01:50:37funman+ add support some last OF releases
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01:52:55saratogafunman: I think that volume patch doesn't change the range, but rather changes something about the amps that rescales the 0dB point
01:53:05saratogaso at the same dB everything is louder
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01:58:51CIA-6New commit by 03zagor (r26605): makeinfo is required by recent binutils and gcc
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02:01:24funmansaratoga: i think you know better than me, so i let you do it :')
02:01:30saratogaha
02:01:41saratogais there a patch so I can see what registers its actually changing?
02:02:25saratogaoh i found it
02:02:53funmandescription for headphone/lineout output and dac output is identical in as3514 and as3543
02:03:03funmanyou have the as3543 datasheet?
02:03:59saratogalet me check my email i can't remember if you sent it to me
02:04:19saratogano i don't, could you send it to me
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02:08:34funmansure
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02:11:38saratogadfkt's rmaa tests are strange
02:11:52saratogaat +6dB output he gets worse clipping as the mixer volume is lowered
02:12:08saratogai would expect the opposite with lower mixer volumes reducing the clipping
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02:22:34mc2739saratoga, funman: the as3525 datasheet show the min volume to be -40.5dB and as3514.c has the min setting at -73.5dB. Could this be causing the problems with the mismatch with OF?
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02:23:37saratogamc2739: theres two different volume settings, one for the mixer and one for the headphone amp, each has about 40dB of volume control
02:23:44saratogaso its 73.5dB in total
02:24:06saratogatake a look at audiohw_set_master_vol, theres two registers it adjusts
02:24:20saratogaAS3514_DAC_R/L and AS3514_HPH_OUT_R/L
02:25:18saratogawhat i don't get is the results in this post: http://anythingbutipod.com/forum/showpost.php?p=471215&postcount=383
02:25:28saratogawhere increasing the DAC volume makes the amp clip less
02:27:54CIA-6New commit by 03zagor (r26606): Corrected the GMP & MPFR workaround.
02:27:56saratoga"here's a build I made with mix volume set to 0x1B. Greater values produce some amount of clipping with a 0dbFS sine wave at absolute volume levels => mix volume. This one is free from clipping however. "
02:28:04saratogaoh well that seems pretty straight forward then
02:28:12saratogajust set the mixer to 0dB and you don't get clipping
02:30:45funmani have tested mkamsboot1.3 binaries, just missing linux amd64
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02:31:16funmani'll get them built tomorrow
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02:42:01anewuserhi guys
02:42:38anewuserwould upgrading from the 3.4 rockbox firmware to 3.6 would delete my music files
02:43:17anewuseror can I safely just upgrade without losing my data (first time upgrading) (files are saved on a harddisk elsewhere so no problem there)
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02:45:45S_a_i_n_tyour music is safe
02:46:26S_a_i_n_tjust "extract to" the root of your player, your music will be fine.
02:46:36S_a_i_n_tanewuser: ^^
02:46:56anewuserawesome
02:47:02anewuserty!
02:51:44saratogado we have map files for 3.6 builds?
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03:24:36JdGordonAlexP: nice work on the closures :)
03:35:30mc2739Who is the keeper of the as3514 datasheet? Would it be possible to get a copy?
03:35:50JdGordonemail the commmiters mailing list
03:36:07mc2739thanks
03:41:41JdGordonfunman: 21877... when the volume is being changed it puts the text value instead of the image on the screen... like the statusbar
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03:51:25CIA-6New commit by 03bieber (r26607): Theme Editor: Altered the SkinDocument class' handling of tab titles and added a title to the confirm close dialog box, changed tab order in the ...
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04:11:06CIA-6New commit by 03bieber (r26608): Theme Editor: Added code generation with tabs
04:12:42JdGordonbieber: implement the "open file" window already :D copy/pasting code sucks!
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04:12:58bieberHaha, it's next up on my task list
04:14:09JdGordonand displaying the parse error would be really nice :)
04:15:38JdGordonhehe, segfault pressing "update code" if the tree is emptty
04:16:28bieberOh, yeah, I should probably take care of that too :/
04:17:38JdGordon:( looks like there is another subtle parse error with nested conditionals
04:18:02JdGordon%?C<%s%ac%?ia<%ia|%?d(2)<%d(2)|%(root%)>>|> -> Error on line 2: Expected list close
04:18:18JdGordon%?d(2)<%d(2)|%(root%)> is the problem
04:24:37r0b-!seen bertrik
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04:50:06JdGordonanyone use cuesheets? FS #11351 could use some testing
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04:51:25bieberJdGordon: That smaller piece parses fine on its own, I'm going to take a look at the bigger line you posted
04:51:46JdGordonyes, looks like it gets ocnfused by the multiple nesting
04:53:33bieberHmm, this is odd
04:54:05bieberApparently when it's calling skin_parse from the GUI app, my debugger won't trigger breakpoints in it
04:58:26TarvisSo I noticed colors for the new skin overhal is it's own tag now
04:58:30TarvisDoes that mean font will be as well?
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04:58:42Tarvis(allowing different fonts on 1 line?)
04:58:56S_a_i_n_tIIUC font is still in the viewport declaration line
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05:00:12S_a_i_n_ta different font per line will still require multiple viewports
05:00:18JdGordonno, font will never be seoperated from the viewport definition
05:01:02JdGordonbieber: check the makefile.. i tihnk qt disabled debugging
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05:02:21Tarviswell, I suppose now is a good time to learn the new format
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05:03:03Tarvisthis might be easier for me, it's very C++-y
05:03:09Tarvismore like actual codes
05:03:15JdGordonit is?
05:03:22S_a_i_n_tyeah, it is?
05:03:32JdGordonit's much more readable, but I wouldnt say c++y
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05:04:32JdGordonwe should make it java-y... System.viewport.define(system.labels.none, 0,0, system.display.width...)
05:04:41S_a_i_n_tI'm having a hard time thinking of a language I know it *does* resemble tbh...it's basically, well no it *is*, a completely new language.
05:04:58JdGordonINTERCAL
05:05:13JdGordonthe language desined to be nothing like any other language
05:05:13Tarvishmm, well, not quite C++
05:05:29*S_a_i_n_t points to "language I *know*" :P
05:05:30Tarvisit does look more like DECORATE and ACS functions behave
05:05:35Tarvis(modding languages for the game Doom)
05:05:46TarvisFunction(Stuff,more stuff, etc)
05:06:25JdGordonthat is very natural coming from c... but the rest is nothing like any programming language I know
05:06:33JdGordonmaybe perl :p
05:06:53S_a_i_n_tNah, not perl, you can *read* this language.
05:06:57S_a_i_n_t;)
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05:08:27TarvisIt doesn't need to have semicolons on everything either
05:08:51Tarvisor quotes around every string
05:13:17bieberWait a minute
05:13:38bieberJdGordon: That code that's erroring out on you has mismatched <>s
05:13:54JdGordonit does?
05:14:01bieber%?C<%s%ac%?ia<%ia|%?d(2)<%d(2)|%(root%)>>|> ->
05:14:08bieberIt has three <'s and four >'s
05:14:09JdGordon-> isnt part of it
05:14:15bieberOh, okay
05:14:17JdGordonI should have put more spaces
05:21:53Tarvisdang, that's quite the nightmare
05:23:21bieberWell, at least I think I found the cause of the bug: somewhere along the line the number of children in a conditional is getting miscounted
05:23:21bieberNow I just need to figure out why
05:24:05Tarvisyeah, I have noticed that a lot of the error outputs are horribly misleading sometimes
05:24:27TarvisLike when I accidentally have a viewport go offscreen, it says things about Invalid character /n and what not
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05:28:00S_a_i_n_tbieber: I was thinking with the UI editer, would it be too hard/ambitious (keeping in mind I haven't played with it yet) for the viewports to be "drawn" on a screen mockup, and have it just grab the x,y positions? (think of drawing a box with MSpaint)
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05:28:56bieberS_a_i_n_t: I'll be aiming for something just like that when I get to graphical editing
05:28:57S_a_i_n_tOh, and the viewport dimensions of course
05:29:15S_a_i_n_tbieber: Awesome...great minds huh? :D
05:29:15TarvisA UI editor doesn't seem too far-fetched
05:29:16bieberJdGordon: This is really odd. I fixed the bug, but all of a sudden it's hanging pretty bad on the nested conditionals
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05:31:37bieberOh, woops, that's because I was forgetting to increment one index, and the loop was just exiting when another one finally overflowed to a negative value :/
05:34:44bieberS_a_i_n_t: I'm actually really optimistic about what I'll be able to do with graphical editing, when the time comes. It looks like Qt's graphics library is going to mak ethings reaalllyy easy on me
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05:35:52bieberJdGordon: That should fix both your bugs :)
05:36:03JdGordon:)
05:36:20bieberIt also absorbed all my coding time, though, so you'll have to wait another day for me to make the open button work :P
05:36:35JdGordon:'(
05:38:15JdGordonnope :)
05:38:22JdGordonlooks like you broke another line now
05:38:45JdGordonhttp://pastebin.com/ZWkiYtnh is what I'm testing with
05:38:58JdGordonline 17 now has the issue
05:38:58bieberWas it working before?
05:39:09JdGordonbefore line 26 had the error
05:40:39Tarvisslightly unrelated question
05:41:35TarvisIs there a reason %cl is blank padded?
05:41:43TarvisThis makes left-justified clocks look odd
05:41:58Tarvis(and furthermore, why there is no non-padded version)
05:42:27TarvisAnd why it isn't reflected on the wiki
05:42:43Tarviswait...I could fix that
05:44:52JdGordonwhat is %cl?
05:45:20CIA-6New commit by 03bieber (r26610): Theme Editor: Fixed another conditional child-counting bug
05:45:32bieberJdGordon: I think it's fixed now, I'll give it a try with that file you posted
05:45:38TarvisRTC Hour, the non 0-padded one
05:46:11bieberNo errors in the file, hopefully the tree is correct
05:46:23JdGordonit isnt padded...
05:46:28JdGordonthanks bieber
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05:46:52TarvisYou sure?
05:47:02TarvisWhenever I use it, there's a space in front of hours with single digits
05:47:47TarvisI could whip up a quick .wps to show you
05:48:45JdGordonoh maybe it is
05:48:59JdGordonI think it is so the tag always uses the same lcd space
05:49:03TarvisI can understand the need for one
05:49:16TarvisI'm just wondering if there's a reason there's none with no padding
05:50:26JdGordonit should do no padding by dfault and allow %cl(02) so say pad to 2 digits with 0's or %cl(2) for pad to 2 digits
05:50:49Tarvisoh, in the new format I see
05:51:01JdGordonthat probably wont happen though
05:51:07TarvisI see
05:51:16TarvisIt's no big issue, I was just curious
05:51:52JdGordoni think it was wanted that the clock tags all use a known length
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07:33:55literalhm, I'm trying out a custom wps file. I copied iAmp.wps to iAmp2.wps and edited it, but everytime I use it in Rockbox it's like it's still using the original iAmp.wps
07:36:15topiktry it on a simulator first
07:36:30topikit might be throwing up errors (like iAmp.wps does on my clip+) and not get loaded
07:36:32Lloreanliteral: Are you loading the .wps directly, or the .cfg?
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07:37:41literalLlorean: I just copied the .wps file and then selected iAmp2 as the WPS in Rockbox
07:38:03literalhow do I try it in a simulator?
07:38:07Lloreanliteral: Did you use "browse themes" or did you use "browse WPS files"?
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07:39:03literalthe latter
07:39:19literalit didn't show up under Browse Themes
07:39:28LloreanIt won't unless it has its own .cfg.
07:39:53LloreanWhen you say it seems to just be the oriiginal, do you mean you've reset the theme to the default then loaded it and it shows up wrong?
07:40:07LloreanGenerally loading a bad .wps should show the simple default, rather than anything else.
07:40:50literalI mean it always looks like the original unaltered iAmp. Even if I select cabbiev2, then select iAmp2 as the wps, I get the iAmp wps
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07:45:57literalbut yeah, I'll try with a .cfg
07:48:51literalit didn't make a difference
07:49:24literaleven if I select iAmp2 from Browse Themes and in the WPS menu, it still looks like iAmp
07:49:33literalmakes no sense
07:57:09LloreanAre you sure the changes you made are something you'd notice?
07:58:14literalyes
07:59:13literalI'm running a simulator now, and just as a sanity check, I tried *deleting* iAmp.wps. Guess what? iAmp still works fine.
07:59:30literalSo where is it getting it from?
07:59:32JdGordonpics or it didnt happen..
07:59:53JdGordonare you sure its iamp and not maybe the internal hardcoded fall back wps?
07:59:59Lloreanliteral: What exactly did you change?
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08:00:15literalJdGordon: yes, it is clearly iAmp
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08:00:36JdGordonpastebin your config.cfg file
08:06:21literalLlorean: let's ignore that problem and focus on this easier-to-reproduce one now: step 1) download simulator, 2) add mp3 file to simdisk, 3) run simulator and enable iAmp wps, 4) delete iAmp.wps, 3) run simulator and play file, 4) iAmp wps still works
08:06:58literalif I delete iAmp.wps first, then I can't enable it to begin with
08:07:09literalbut as long as I have enabled it, I can delete it without problems
08:07:17literalso Rockbox must be caching it or something
08:07:22Lloreanliteral: Do you shut down and then re-run the simulator after deleting it?
08:07:26literalyes
08:07:54LloreanAnd why is that a real problem?
08:07:58literalalso, fail @ those step numbers
08:08:19literalLlorean: why am I able to use a .wps file which has been deleted?
08:09:48Lloreanliteral: Are you sure it's actually iAmp? It looks like a WPS that could be mistaken with the simple default if the rest of the theme data were already set.
08:10:08LloreanRemember that the fallback WPS isn't the same as cabbiev2
08:10:17literalhm
08:11:11literalthat could be it
08:11:19literalit looks the same if I select rockbox_default
08:11:23JdGordonthats what I said...
08:11:27LloreanIndeed
08:11:40literalthen there must be a bug in iAmp
08:11:50literalsince I was never able to select it in the first place
08:12:17LloreanWell, are you using it with 3.6 or a current build?
08:12:28literal3.6
08:12:39LloreanWhat revision number does it report?
08:13:07literalwell, the simulator is r26566 and iAmp is broken there
08:13:53LloreanI think the release was several revisions before that.
08:14:18literalthe one on my Clip+ is 3.6 and the sitation is the same there
08:14:51LloreanWhat revision number does it report?
08:15:25literal26535, which is one revision before 3.6 if I recall
08:15:43LloreanBut not actually 3.6
08:15:45literalcheckwps says this about iAmp.wps: RR: Failed parsing on line 17 : ERR: Invalid parameter list for token 194: "No token"
08:15:47LloreanSince it's not built from the release branch
08:16:15LloreanJdGordon: Did the WPS syntax breaking go in? If so, know what revision?
08:16:31*Llorean imagines it was sometime after the branch but before the release if it did, which would explain exactly this
08:16:44JdGordonnot yet
08:16:49LloreanAh well
08:16:50LloreanDunno then
08:22:07literalI'm not sure how to test 3.6 since the manual install page on rockbox.org doesn't have Clip+ builds of 3.6 and the Rockbox utility doesn't let me install the stable version
08:22:21LloreanBecause there's not a 3.6 for your player.
08:22:21literalonly archived or current
08:22:30LloreanIt's listed as "unstable"
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08:23:02LloreanIf it passes testwps for 3.5, you'll need to figure out what change broke it since then
08:24:12JdGordonpastebin the wps
08:24:27JdGordonmy guess is if you renamed the wps you forgot to rename the bmp folder also
08:24:46LloreanJdGordon: He said the normal iAmp doesn't pass a current testwps
08:24:47literalJdGordon: the issue here is simply that the iAmp.wps is broken
08:24:55JdGordonok then
08:25:34literalhm, no tags in the git repo, do you happen to know which svn revision corresponds to the release of 3.5 ?
08:26:07literalah, found it in a commit message
08:26:25literal24504
08:28:37literalthe iAmp from that revision fails for the same reason
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08:28:57Lloreanliteral: Are you sure your local copy is good? Does the theme site say it passed 3.5?
08:29:27literalmy copy is straight from the git repository
08:29:36JdGordonLlorean: do you remember if the quickscreen options was ever in a menu? I cant remember if that was commited or not
08:29:40JdGordonI know it isnt in a menu now
08:30:12literalthe theme site says "Works with release 3.5"
08:30:18LloreanJdGordon: Which options?
08:30:31JdGordonthe options to choose which setting is where on the qs
08:30:32literalI can't check it with the checkwps from 3.5 because it doesn't compile
08:30:34Lloreanliteral: I meant your local copy if iAmp. Haven't accidentally changed it at any point?
08:30:49LloreanIf the themesite says it works with 3.5, it does, and something's wrong on your end.
08:31:09literalLlorean: see what I just wrote, I didn't check it with the checkwps from 3.5
08:31:15LloreanJdGordon: I don't remember. Honestly, I'm in favor of dropping the QS (I've already said what I'd like it replaced with).
08:31:22Lloreanliteral: But the theme site did.
08:31:56JdGordonseems it was :) that makes things easier
08:31:59literalLlorean: yeah, that just means that checkwps (and the rest of rockbox) has changed but iAmp.wps hasn't
08:32:08literalso iAmp.wps still needs to be updated
08:32:18Lloreanliteral: Yes, so figure out what's wrong or contact the author?
08:33:09literaldo you (or someone here) know anything about WPS changes between 3.5 and 3.6?
08:33:37literali.e. where I should look, to be able to update iAmp.wps
08:33:43JdGordonthere were none
08:33:43LloreanYou could just bisect versions to figure out where it stops working.
08:34:22literalthat's a bit hard since the "working" version (3.5) of checkwps fails to compile on my system...
08:34:43Lloreanliteral: So wouldn't the first step be to figure out why that's true, since it compiled at the time?
08:35:07literalyes, I suppose
08:35:28literalhttp://paste.scsys.co.uk/44488
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08:37:13JdGordonhmm
08:37:22S_a_i_n_tre: RTC (unless that was resolved...didn't really see) there is both blank space, and 0 padded RTC tags for hour.
08:38:21literalrevision 24691, titled "fix checkwps" does compile, though
08:39:31literalfor some reason it just returns "WPS parsing failure" (even with -vvv) when I check iAmp though :/
08:40:44literalparses cabbiev2 just fine though
08:42:26literalLlorean: however, notice that the theme site also says that iAmp "Works with current build"
08:42:33literaleven though it doesn't
08:42:58Lloreanliteral: Have you tried downloading a build rather than compiling your own?
08:43:50literalhow would that help with getting the latest iAmp*.wps to pass the checkwps test?
08:44:44LloreanWell, it obviously does pass it on the theme site server.
08:44:53LloreanWhich, honestly, suggests something is different with your copy for whatever reasons.
08:47:59S_a_i_n_tI'd be looking at what Jd said, as one of my first ports of call...I know you renamed the .wps file, but did you rename the folder which contains the wps' bitmaps also?
08:48:48literalS_a_i_n_t: those problems I had earlier can be attributed to the iAmp wps failing to parse
08:49:01literalnow I'm just trying to figure out why that is
08:49:10LloreanAre the bitmap folders *present*?
08:49:14LloreanOr just the .wps file?
08:49:25S_a_i_n_tYou've run it through a SIM, the output should tell you where it's failing.
08:49:42S_a_i_n_tit'll give a line number, which is accurate to +/-1 line
08:50:05literalyes, on the sim I got the same error that checkwps gave me: ERR: Failed parsing on line 17 : ERR: Invalid parameter list for token 194: "No token"
08:50:26S_a_i_n_tso, pastebin lines 16, 17, and 18
08:50:36S_a_i_n_t*that*'s where the error is.
08:50:58S_a_i_n_tit's telling you there is a tag there, that isn;t really a tag
08:51:03literalyou have a checkout of the repo, right? it's just the unmodified iAmp 128x64
08:51:11literalLlorean: the theme server claims iAmp passes on r26556. On a clean checkout of r26565 I did "mkdir build && cd build && ../tools/configure && make && ./checkwps.sansaclipplus ../wps/iAmp.128x64x1.wps"
08:51:16S_a_i_n_tyou can't just pastebin it?
08:51:26S_a_i_n_tI know mine is SVN...I don;t know yours is.
08:51:49literalhttp://paste.scsys.co.uk/44490
08:52:05literalLlorean: and the result is the checkwps error I pasted earlier
08:52:35literalLlorean: is the theme server doing the test differently somehow?
08:52:45LloreanIt shouldn't be.
08:52:50S_a_i_n_tIt's calling an image that isn't present.
08:53:02S_a_i_n_t%xdE
08:53:06S_a_i_n_tthere's no "E"
08:53:31S_a_i_n_tthat actually happens a lot...more than one instance
08:53:32literalisn't it %xl|E|lock-small.bmp|79|0|3|
08:53:34literal?
08:53:57S_a_i_n_tHmmm...you'll need to pastebin it again then sorry.
08:54:09S_a_i_n_tmine is all warped.
08:54:10literalhuh?
08:54:22literalhttp://paste.scsys.co.uk/44490 <−− this is warped?
08:54:42S_a_i_n_thuh, weird, it loaded incorrectly. My apologies
08:56:25LloreanWhat about xdx and xdy?
08:56:34LloreanIt's late and I'm tired, so I may not see where they're loaded
08:56:47S_a_i_n_thehe..beat me to it.
08:56:54S_a_i_n_tyeah, they're definitely not there
08:57:24LloreanS_a_i_n_t: I had to go to the CustomWPS page and double check that xdx and xdy weren't special cases too. :)
08:57:30*Llorean hasn't made an WPS in a long, long time.
08:57:39LloreanNot since shortly after backdrop images were introduced.
08:57:52S_a_i_n_tLlorean: The skinbreak stuff has made me doubt myself, I did the same thing :P
08:57:55literalthis is a very hairy file format
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08:58:06S_a_i_n_tWhat?!?
08:58:10S_a_i_n_tthe format is fine.
08:58:11literalso many similarly-looking format codes
08:58:21Lloreanliteral: On thing that may be true - the version of iAmp on the theme site may be different than the one in SVN.
08:58:41S_a_i_n_tGranted, the theme is horribly set out, but the syntx is perfectly readable
08:58:59LloreanThe format itself has just kinda evolved over time, which is its main problem
08:59:04S_a_i_n_tIt's calling two instances of an image that possibly don;t exist
08:59:12S_a_i_n_t(on line 17)
08:59:12LloreanThe initial token based system was for line based display on rather basic displays.
08:59:19literalindeed, there's no mention of "xdx" in the iAmp version on the theme site
08:59:27S_a_i_n_tLine 18 sorry
08:59:39S_a_i_n_tcomment out "%?mh<%?mr<%xdEa|%xdx>|%?mr<%xdy|>>"
08:59:40LloreanDoes the one in SVN actually come with downloaded buils?
08:59:42Lloreanbuilds
08:59:47S_a_i_n_tand it should work)
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09:00:05literalso, the author updated the one on the theme site but not the one in SVN?
09:00:56JdGordongrrr... the agreed on QS changes arnt so simple :/
09:00:57S_a_i_n_tliteral: It may not have been the author that uploaded it
09:01:17S_a_i_n_tthe guy that put them on the themesite fixed up sever themes, but has no SVN access
09:01:27S_a_i_n_tthe intention is to remove those themes from SVN
09:01:39S_a_i_n_t*several
09:01:39LloreanJdGordon: What were the agreed changes?
09:02:15Lloreanliteral: Really the only theme that comes with SVN Rockbox eventually should be variants of the default (the standard one, and possibly a unifont one or similar if we ever decide to do that)
09:02:36LloreanBut that's obviously not the case yet, I guess.
09:02:46JdGordonLlorean: use any which are set to "blank" as exit keys, and make top and bottom default to blank
09:02:59LloreanI can live with that.
09:03:02JdGordonso no more bloody dirfilter on the qs :)
09:03:02S_a_i_n_tthe only thing keeping that from happening is greyscale/monochrome themes I think.
09:03:21LloreanJdGordon: I'd rather get rid of the QS and replace it with a shortcut to the .cfg browser, but that's nearly as good. :)
09:03:35literalbut one advantage seems to be that the iAmp in SVN has two .wps files for different screen sizes while the one on the theme site has only one .wps
09:04:06JdGordonLlorean: yeah, I'm not such a fan of the cfg browser because it limits the values you can set... but it does have its advantages
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09:04:43*JdGordon is pretty happy that the NoDo on customisable menus has been removed which means we have more options
09:04:47LloreanJdGordon: Well yeah, you can't browse through all possible values of any setting, but I think for a *lot* of purposes it'll be more useful.
09:04:49LloreanBut that's just me.
09:04:50literalLlorean: which themes are scheduled to be removed from SVN? everything except rockbox_default and cabbiev2?
09:04:56S_a_i_n_tliteral: the move from from SVN to themesite wasn't completed.
09:04:59Lloreanliteral: Nothing's schedules
09:05:05S_a_i_n_teventaully, they'll all be there
09:05:22*Llorean thinks customizable menus better not increase boot time even further
09:05:32*Llorean is still pretty tired of how long it takes to get from "power off" to "music playing" these days
09:05:57S_a_i_n_tLlorean: Not a flash target I assume?
09:06:07*JdGordon still holds that people complaiing are in it for placebo and it has not actually increased...
09:06:12JdGordonalso, get a faster booting target
09:06:13S_a_i_n_tme = = 1~2 seconds
09:06:20JdGordonclip+ off to music in <1s
09:06:42LloreanJdGordon: We measured, so that's pretty much out.
09:06:48S_a_i_n_tI added the extra second for me messing up a button push perhaps ;)
09:06:51LloreanIt's not placebo.
09:07:06literalS_a_i_n_t: so, if I were to make a new theme for a few different screen sizes, I'd create .wps files for the screen sizes in question and build .zip files for all relevant devices and upload to the theme site?
09:07:23LloreanS_a_i_n_t: As soon as they get a flash target with all the features of the Gigabeast including maximum available storage size, I'll consider it.
09:08:33S_a_i_n_tliteral: Well, yes. But you'd also want to include simulator, and on device testing in that mix also.
09:08:40literalyeah
09:08:59JdGordonLlorean: if you are serious about wanting faster boot then I can easily suggest some things to try... but it does mean getting into the code
09:09:01S_a_i_n_ttesting on the sim is good for development, but you'd want it tested on at least one device to see if the sim represents things accurately
09:09:12JdGordonor buying me a slow booting target :/
09:09:15literaldifferent question: since it turned out to be the default theme I wanted to modify and not iAmp, how can I base a theme on the default one when rockbox_default.wps is an empty dummy file?
09:09:18JdGordons/://:p/
09:09:41LloreanJdGordon: Actually, "time to music" improved drastically after that change a while back to fix the disk delaying things
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09:09:49LloreanIt's not quite as good as it was, but it's good enough
09:09:52LloreanMy worry is about it getting bad again
09:09:53S_a_i_n_tliteral: Screenshot it, and work from there?
09:10:19LloreanThe main problem the change brought is that during initial buffer on my Beast you can't skip or adjust volume (unless that's been fixed now, but I haven' seen mention of it) without severe delays
09:10:20literalS_a_i_n_t: so I'd have to recreate the default theme from scratch? there's no way to dump the default theme to a .wps or something?
09:10:32S_a_i_n_tI don't think so, no.
09:10:38literaldamn
09:10:39JdGordonif starting playback was decoupled from the wps, then you should be able to get to music in the menu without loading the wps
09:10:49Lloreanliteral: The default theme *used* to be in the manual
09:10:51LloreanIt's dead simple.
09:10:54S_a_i_n_tit's a text only/hardcoded element theme...it couldn;t be easier to do.
09:11:08LloreanIf not it may be on the customWPS wiki page
09:11:14LloreanIt's been in a bunch of places over the years
09:11:18literalok
09:11:29S_a_i_n_tit doesn't use a single viewport or image, it'd be pretty damn easy.
09:11:42S_a_i_n_twell, it uses images, bu those are the statusbar
09:11:46S_a_i_n_t*but
09:11:53LloreanYup, it's just a few lines with tags on each, and a couple conditionals to show file paths when ID3 tags aren't present
09:12:19JdGordonliteral: http://pastebin.com/KpvtY42P
09:12:29literalthanks
09:13:22*JdGordon wonders if anyone at DevCon is looking for something to hack up today.... decoupling musc playback from the wps....
09:13:32LloreanDecoupling?
09:13:49S_a_i_n_tliteral: (not a bitch, just a hint for future code pasting) use a pastebin with line numbers.
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09:14:02JdGordonactually it isnt even that bad... the changes is just in root_menu.c to be able to start music without entering the wps
09:14:02S_a_i_n_tcounting 17 lines wasn't *so* bad, but still sucks :P
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09:14:25LloreanJdGordon: Can't you already do that?
09:14:37LloreanIf I "insert shuffled" I thought it used to stay in the file tree while the music started.
09:14:39S_a_i_n_tliteral: http://pastebin.com for example.
09:14:52JdGordonyes, you can..
09:15:04LloreanSo what's the goal then?
09:15:06JdGordonI'm saying we could start playback earlier in the boot cycle
09:15:10LloreanAaaah
09:16:14JdGordonhmm...
09:16:14literalS_a_i_n_t: the one I used earlier actually has line numbers, you could have enabled it below the text area :)
09:16:14LloreanOptimize boot order for getting playback going ASAP.
09:16:14JdGordonLlorean: care to do a boot chart build with svn?
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09:16:35LloreanJdGordon: I have no USB cables with me, and am at a Denny's. So, not right now. :)
09:16:41JdGordonI have an idea how to do this.. but I wonder if it would even make a difference
09:16:42S_a_i_n_tIf I "insert shuffled) it takes me straight to wps, is it not supposed to/never used to do that?
09:16:50Tornequite a lot of stuff does need to happen before playback starts
09:16:54S_a_i_n_t-) +"
09:16:55Tornebecause otherwise buffer_alloc eats your face
09:16:59LloreanS_a_i_n_t: There was a time when it didn't, I think. Maybe I'm thinking of something else.
09:17:14JdGordonTorne: sure, but we can deal with that
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09:17:45JdGordonbassically I'm thinking that playback could start before the skins are loaded (which have its buffers allowec before then anyway)
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09:18:25JdGordonbut yes, doing that could be dangerous and if it gives no benefit then there is no point doing it
09:19:29LloreanActually, I think I only really have problems if the first thing I do on boot is load a bookmark.
09:19:35LloreanIf I just hit 'play' to resume it's faster.
09:19:41*Llorean needs to try a more current build
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09:21:53AlexPJdGordon: I only just got started :)
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09:22:14JdGordongo go go!
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09:26:01literalwhat's the play/pause key in the simulator for the Clip+ ?
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09:26:21literalit's not listed here: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/UiSimulator
09:26:40literaland none of the other ones work
09:27:03S_a_i_n_tall the sim keymaps differ, try mashing buttons on the keyboard :P
09:27:20S_a_i_n_tyou'll find it eventually
09:27:44S_a_i_n_tyou should also be able to just click on the player.
09:27:55literaltried that, doesn't work
09:28:00S_a_i_n_tuse it like a real (well 2d) DAP
09:28:11S_a_i_n_thuh..sorry, works on the Nano sims
09:28:23n1sliteral: you could look in firmware/target/hosted/sdl/button-sdl.c
09:29:25literalit seems to suggest that 8 on the keypad is what I'm looking for
09:29:33literaltoo bad my laptop doesn't have a keypad...
09:30:16JdGordonAlexP: you have a beast or video right? can you (or someone else there) do a bootchart build please?
09:30:37S_a_i_n_tit *should* have an alt/shift set for the numeric keypad
09:30:43S_a_i_n_tliteral: ^
09:31:02literalmy old laptop had that, but my current one has no markings for that, so I have no idea how to do it
09:31:02S_a_i_n_t(*should*) laptop by the way, not the sim
09:31:08*JdGordon is willing to bet moveing the cpuboost(false) line to the end of init() would do more than starting playback slightly earlier
09:31:13n1sliteral: you do see that SDL_KP8 and SDL_UP do the same thing, no?
09:31:37literaln1s: ah, Up does indeed play/pause
09:31:43literalI should have figured that out earlier...
09:31:50S_a_i_n_t...yep
09:32:03S_a_i_n_tthat's why I said "mash buttons" :P
09:32:20literalI had mashed pretty much all of them except the arrow keys :P
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09:43:58*S_a_i_n_t wonders how hard it would be to get the plugin "lamp.rock" to *not* respect the idle shutdown limit. I personally consider it annoying as hell, as my idle shutdown is set to 1 min, and when I use lamp I have to continually make sure the idle shutdown doesn't kick in.
09:44:18S_a_i_n_tperhaps give it it's own idle shutdown setting so it doesn't kill the batter if left on?
09:44:26S_a_i_n_t10 min or so?
09:44:41S_a_i_n_t+y
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09:48:28literalcabbiev2 hardcodes "Next:", is it possible to use a translated string instead?
09:49:56JdGordoncabbie should be using the translated string
09:50:11JdGordonS_a_i_n_t: pretty easy
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09:51:46S_a_i_n_tJdGordon: Do you think it would be worthwhile/something that would be considered?
09:52:01S_a_i_n_tI actually use lamp quite a lot, but I don't know if others do.
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09:52:18JdGordonif i dont have to do any work.. sure
09:53:06yorickhello, I have an ipod video 5G, and headphones with a sensitivity of 103 dB/mW, how much dB would that give me on the volume setting -60 dB?
09:53:09*JdGordon doesnt know how to read the bootchat output
09:55:43*S_a_i_n_t kicks himself for not paying much attention (well, I thought I did) when Torne explained it to him :/
09:58:26literalJdGordon: well, cabbiev2.wps has "Next:" following a %Sx, but there's no mention of %Sx in http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/CustomWPS
09:58:32literalis it for translating strings?
09:58:37JdGordonyes
09:58:41JdGordonhmm.. ok it should be there
09:58:42literalok, cool
09:58:44JdGordonwanna add it?
09:58:49literalsure
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10:01:21literalAccess check on Main.CustomWPS failed. Action "CHANGE": access not allowed on web.
10:01:47*Llorean isn't sure, but thinks that when in the bookmarks screen idle shutdown doesn't happen.
10:01:53*Llorean will need to check this
10:05:51Stummigood morning
10:06:01AlexPJdGordon: Yes, beast
10:06:08AlexPJdGordon: Is this an advanced option?
10:06:12JdGordonyes
10:06:28AlexPOK, give me a couple of minutes
10:09:03JdGordonyep, unless my patch doesnt work starting playback before loading skins adds NO noticable difference
10:10:22JdGordonbootchart agrees with me
10:11:34JdGordonhehe ok, my patch didnt wwork :p
10:12:10AlexPJdGordon: OK, so should I now have a file somewhere?
10:12:29JdGordonyou need to go into the debvug menu and dumb debug file
10:12:35AlexPah, OK
10:12:36JdGordonthen you'll have .rockbox/logf.txt
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10:14:58AlexPJdGordon: http://pastie.org/993631
10:15:31JdGordonthanks, once I get this patch working ill ask for another if thats ok
10:15:45AlexPNo problem
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10:20:27JdGordonbah, patch starts playback while the splash is up but then crashes
10:20:46Stummihow can i get a timestamp or so to measure a intervall?
10:22:01TorneStummi: current_tick is the time since boot in centiseconds
10:22:04DomonokyStummi: you can use currenttick
10:22:25Tornewell, technically in 1/HZ of a second
10:23:24Stummiok, thanks
10:24:25funmanZagor: can you copy funman/mkamsboot-1.3/">http://jones.videolan.org/~videolan/funman/mkamsboot-1.3/ into http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/sandisk-sansa and link mkamsboot-1.3 -> mkamsboot?
10:24:29bluebrotherTorne: do you know about the state of charging for the targets mentioned here? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8802#comment28390 AFAICS USB charging still doesn't work on my mini, so I guess there is still something missing.
10:27:39Zagorfunman: done
10:28:39funmanthx
10:29:35Tornebluebrother: No additional targets have had charging implemented yet
10:29:43Tornebluebrother: so only h300/beast/nano2g have it still
10:29:57TorneI'm working on charging for the other USB powered ipods right now
10:30:29Tornethe changes i made yesterday was just a rework of t/he existing code
10:30:36Tornenot a fix for 8802
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10:38:29*n1s tries the new shiny rockboxdev.sh
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10:38:51Stummithere is a new rockbox.dev?
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10:39:34S_a_i_n_tIf you mean rockboxdev.sh then, yes.
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10:39:49S_a_i_n_ts/new/reworked a little/
10:40:42n1sit's also shiny!
10:41:00S_a_i_n_tit is?
10:41:05*S_a_i_n_t examines for shine.
10:41:11S_a_i_n_tAh, so it is. ;)
10:41:59S_a_i_n_tIt seems like it's been cut down by about a third or so?
10:42:14S_a_i_n_tunless I'm mistaken I seem to remember it being a /lot/ longer
10:42:15Stummimaybe it works on darwin now? ;)
10:42:58n1sS_a_i_n_t: that was one of the point IIUC, "Here's a reorganized version of rockboxdev.sh. It's 25% smaller"
10:43:04CIA-6New commit by 03pixelma (r26612): Virtual keyboard: enable line edit mode as an alternative on all target. There were only a very few that didn't offer it yet. The KBD_MODES define ...
10:43:43S_a_i_n_tn1s; Huh, I must have missed that...seems I wasn't too far off with the size though ;)
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10:43:54S_a_i_n_tI'll claim now that it wasn't a guess :P
10:44:29CIA-6New commit by 03uchida (r26613): text viewer: can be selected the number of screens per page.
10:45:31literalhow do I include a translated string inside a conditional? the %?ik<%Sx|foo||> doesn't work
10:46:00S_a_i_n_tliteral: It should.
10:46:11CIA-6New commit by 03torne (r26614): Add the GPIO output-enable bits to the debug screen on PP502x
10:46:37literalah, I think the problem was that the string I tried to translate didn't exist
10:47:06S_a_i_n_tah, yes. you'll need to check the lang file each time if you're not certain the string exists.
10:47:56literalI'm trying to make it say e.g. "Disc 1" if it's a multi-disc album, but it doesn't look like "Disc" is a translated string
10:48:53literalcan that be added?
10:49:12S_a_i_n_tin general, it's not that great a practice to translate everything you can just because you can...some strings for instance are a lot longer in char length that their english counterpart
10:49:33S_a_i_n_tand the viewprt could end up scrolling and looking crap
10:49:35literalyeah, but I doubt this one is any worse than "Next:"
10:49:43Stummiah, with the new rockboxdev.sh i get an other errormessage on darwin: ld: in librbspeex.a, archive has no table of contents
10:49:50S_a_i_n_tor worse, if you don't use viewports, you could get overlapping.
10:50:52S_a_i_n_tStummi: I sincerely doubt there are and devs working with Darwin...it doesn;t surprise me at all.
10:50:58S_a_i_n_tIt's a pretty obscure OS
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10:51:25Stummihm
10:51:55funmani doubt rockboxdev.sh (to build cross compilers) is related to librbspeex
10:52:06StummiS_a_i_n_t: it also doesn't worked for bluebrother yesterday, so it seems not be a specific problem for my system
10:52:30bluebrotherTorne: ok, thanks for the clarification.
10:52:49S_a_i_n_tStummi: I didn;t think it was specific to your system.
10:52:57S_a_i_n_tBut specific to the OS
10:53:05bluebrotherit's a problem with OS X 10.6.
10:53:58Stummibluebrother: but with the new version of rockboxdev.sh, there is another errormessage now ;)
10:54:25bluebrotherStummi: haven't tried that, but I doubt it should have anything to do with librbspeex.
10:55:24bluebrotherany comments on FS #5737? I'd like to get that committed, and it works (still ;) fine for me. Any reasons against that format for saving the scratchpad values?
10:56:06n1shmm, something weird happened
10:56:45n1sit's now trying to build with the wrong "as"
10:58:29S_a_i_n_tbluebrother: The GF would love-you-long-time for committing that ;)
10:58:42S_a_i_n_tI just added it to my build, didn;t even know it existed.
10:59:16bluebrotherwow, it's been 4 years since I did that :o
10:59:56S_a_i_n_tyes, well although I often look at the patches, I scan them for thing *I* want/like/need. :D
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11:00:06*S_a_i_n_t is not a sudoku fan.
11:00:18bertrikbluebrother, I don't see any problem with that (I don't run that plugin often though)
11:00:21bluebrotherthe only concern I have is about the file format. It's making extensions to the ss file format. OTOH, the state saving code does too (and always did), so I think that's not a problem.
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11:00:39*bluebrother will wait for another while and if nobody objects commit later
11:00:57*funman will wait a while after the commit, and then object
11:01:07*gevaerts thinks that waiting four years for objections should be enough
11:01:23S_a_i_n_tindeed
11:01:44n1sZagor: i tried the new rockboxde.sh but now all my builds fail since they try to use the wrong "as" (probably the host one) it prints "as: unrecognized option <something>" with <something> depending on the target
11:02:29bluebrotherhehe :)
11:03:55bertrikis the ss file format some kind of "official" standard format?
11:04:14n1si also get an empty a.out file in my build dir
11:04:57n1sonly for the h300 build it seems
11:04:59bertrikcan the updated plugin still read an older ss file (without scratchpad info)?
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11:05:13bluebrotherbertrik: afaik it's some somewhat-official format
11:05:20bluebrotheryes, reading the old file works fine.
11:06:24leftrightit's great to see you'll hard at work on a sunday, keep it up, clock out is at midnight tonight, no slouching please :-)
11:07:40bluebrotherthe only drawback I see is that other programs might not be able to load the file after saving it. Though AFAIU this is already the case because the fill-in state is saved.
11:07:40S_a_i_n_tfor various people...it's still saturday
11:07:50bluebrotherit's definitely sunday :)
11:11:22JdGordonbluebrother: did you get anywhere with the theme site?
11:11:54CIA-6New commit by 03kugel (r26615): Move target-simulating specific keymaps out of button-sdl.c into a file per ...
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11:13:13bluebrotherJdGordon: I have a setup running at my box that simply modifies rbutilqt.php to check the release / revision transmitted by Rockbox Utilty and redirects it to a different script depending on that values.
11:14:20bluebrotherso as a first shot we could have a complete copy of the theme site in a different folder (maybe /old? or /v1?) and knowing the revision that changed the syntax replace rbutilqt.php to redirect.
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11:14:33bluebrotherI still have to do some testing with Rockbox Utility though
11:14:52JdGordonok. scorche can you copy the themesite please?
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11:20:07literaln1s: I uploaded a patch with a bunch of more strings for islenska.lang, in case you didn't notice
11:21:04n1syes i saw but i broke my crosstoolchains now so i would like to fix that so i can testbuild :)
11:21:20pixelmayour name in the credits caused problems for the manual ;) fixed now though
11:21:31literalnice
11:22:41Zagorn1s: my fault?
11:23:57n1sZagor: maybe, my builds now use the wrong "as" after i tried the new rockboxdev.sh
11:24:37n1sseems like it's trying to use the system one which errors out with "unrecognized option"
11:24:48Zagorthat's not good
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11:25:13hamish_good afterpoon.
11:25:35bluebrothermorning.
11:26:05hamish_I'm curious, the USB driver on the sansa fuze, is it currently being developed?
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11:26:32Zagorn1s: which target are you building?
11:26:54n1si tried h300, gigabeast with arm-elf and arm-elf-eabi and archos player
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11:27:09Zagorand they all complained about as?
11:27:15n1sall get unrecognized option from as
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11:27:57Zagorstrange, they work fine for me
11:28:39n1shmm, i did have the old toolchains still present when building the new ones, could that have confused it?
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11:29:39Zagorn1s: possibly. the new toolchains are installed slightly differently. if you reinstall one you already have you should probably remove the old first.
11:29:59n1si'll try that
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11:45:46Stummi is it possible to say the simulator not to start the main-part of RB but a special app or start in a special submenu (e.g. Plugins)
11:45:48Stummi?
11:46:01funmanyes, grep for AUTOROCK in apps/main.c
11:46:15Stummiok
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11:51:06literaldo themes have to be approved after they're uploaded to themes.rockbox.org?
11:51:18JdGordonno
11:51:20S_a_i_n_tnope
11:51:27JdGordonthey just have to pass checkwps and the setting script
11:51:38literalHm, I just got the upload page again after uploading mine. No error.
11:51:50literalah, there is an error, never mind
11:51:53*literal fixes
11:51:55pixelmawell and people are allowed to report any possible license violation
11:51:56S_a_i_n_tthey'll appear on the site after you acknowledge the confirmation mail
11:53:20literalthe form complains that my WPS screenshot is 128x66 instead of 128x64
11:53:30literalodd since I got it straight from rockbox
11:53:48S_a_i_n_t"define "straight from rockbox"
11:53:55S_a_i_n_tdid you do a screendump?
11:53:57literalyes
11:54:06S_a_i_n_tHmmm, weird.
11:54:16funmanclip screendumps are 2 pixels higher i think to show the space between blue & yellow parts of the screen
11:54:25S_a_i_n_tcrop it to the correct size.
11:54:48funmanactually 128x66 is correct
11:55:02funmanscaling it down would just make it look horrible
11:55:19S_a_i_n_tah, so checkwps is technically broken?
11:55:30literalnot checkwps, but the upload form
11:55:33pixelmadoes someone remember whether the Philipps SA9200 manual ever build? Just asking because there is a platform file existent but compiling doesn't work and tex is asking for a platform file with a different name. I'm curious if something got broken in the target rename or if it just wasn't finished yet
11:55:52pixelmaor built
11:55:54literalshould be changed to allow 128x66 for Clip++
11:55:58S_a_i_n_tliteral: Where do you think that form gets its info from?
11:56:33literalyou're saying checkwps does something more than check the syntax of WPS files?
11:56:54S_a_i_n_tit'll also mention of backdrops are incorrect size etc.
11:57:01S_a_i_n_ts/of/if/
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11:57:48S_a_i_n_tit will check if a file is needed, but not included..its quite a savvy piece of code.
11:58:09literalI can't crop the image without taking something out of the statusbar or bottom line, so I'd have to remove a 2px thick line from somewhere in the middle
11:58:25literalto go from 128x66 to 128x64
11:58:47literalbut I'm not sure I know how to do that
11:58:54S_a_i_n_tjust crop the "black line"
11:59:12funman_jhMikeS_: ping
11:59:20S_a_i_n_tthe 2px between black/yellow
11:59:31S_a_i_n_t*argh..s/black/blue
11:59:42Zagorn1s: any result?
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12:00:02literalman, I suck at Gimp
12:00:17S_a_i_n_twhich OS?
12:00:22literalLinux
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12:00:44JdGordonDomonoky1: scorche: ping?
12:00:51n1sZagor: yep, works now
12:00:55S_a_i_n_tah, crop cutout is fairly simple.
12:00:56Zagorgood
12:00:59JdGordon(can someone there get one of them to come online?)
12:01:20literalyeah, I just figured it out
12:01:30S_a_i_n_t\o/
12:03:02CIA-6New commit by 03nls (r26616): The ifp isn't coldfire based, add some targets that are instead
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12:04:24literalsuccess, http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?themeid=814&target=sansaclipplus
12:05:05literalheh, looks like I left a 2px white spot in there
12:05:08literaloh well
12:05:49Domonoky1JdGordon: we are busy building the tower :-)
12:06:03JdGordonno your not!
12:06:15S_a_i_n_twe!?! only looks like 2 of you doing the building :P
12:06:27JdGordonwell seen as you're here now... can you copy the themesite so we can get this mooving?
12:07:03Domonoky1JdGordon: sorry, i dont know how todo that.. we have to ask scorche.
12:07:11funman_jhMikeS_: check http://pastie.org/993679
12:07:25CIA-6New commit by 03pixelma (r26617): Consolidate the two button tables in the virtual keyboard section into one. The difference causing having two doesn't exist anymore (targets without ...
12:07:38S_a_i_n_tIf I want to point the updater at the whole .zip, do I use the "updatetheme.pl" or my recently compiled "skinupdater"?
12:07:46JdGordonDomonoky1: can you pull him away from the tower long enough to get that going?
12:08:53Domonoky1JdGordon: unlikely .. you have to wait for after the tower building :-)
12:09:04JdGordonhehee yeah, I thought he was just watching...
12:09:31Domonoky1we need his mental support :-)
12:09:51*JdGordon refrains from makeing a joke
12:11:08CIA-6New commit by 03pixelma (r26618): Close the ActionKbdSelect macro so that the following space won't get eaten in the output.
12:13:54JdGordonwhat do we do about FS #8923? assuming it is still an issue do we bother keeping it open (known issue)
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12:21:16AlexPJdGordon: Well they are legitimate bugs, even if known and not trivial to fix, so it should be left open I think
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12:26:38*bertrik is making a bit of progress on the mystery radio chip in the sansa clip plus
12:27:14JdGordonradio works fine in my clip+?
12:27:16CIA-6New commit by 03kugel (r26619): Fix most reds, I have no idea what's wrong with the gigabeats (yet).
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12:32:10JdGordondid funman get the e200 going on eabi?
12:35:41pamauryJdGordon: there are two different radios chips in clip+ it seems
12:35:54JdGordonoh, bugger them :)
12:37:49pamauryOne is working and bertrick told me he found some parallel code in the of for two models so perhaps he will manage to make it work
12:40:30funmanJdGordon: no but i found why it didn't boot, the linker is doing nasty things
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12:40:57funmanJdGordon: eabi worked already btw, i was looking at running thumb code
12:41:07JdGordonah ok
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12:48:11JdGordonscorche: cooeey
12:49:33*scorche|sh looks strangely at JdGordon
12:49:52JdGordoncan you copy the whole themesite to /oldsite or soemthing?
12:50:16scorche|shsure
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12:51:36JdGordonand we need a script or two run on the real site...
12:51:45JdGordonbut maybe do a trial run somewhere first
12:52:21CIA-6New commit by 03uchida (r26620): text viewer: can display the horizontal scroll bar.
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12:55:17CIA-6New commit by 03kugel (r26621): Fix remaining reds.
12:57:10ucchankugel: iAudioM3/M5 sim are red.
12:57:51ucchansorry, I don't refresh the browser.
12:59:31CIA-6New commit by 03bluebrother (r26622): Save the scratchpad state in Sudoku plugin (FS #5737).
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13:01:42kugelucchan: no problem :)
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13:06:21JdGordonscorche: has anyone got access to run scripts ont he theme site?
13:06:28JdGordonI really wanted to get this done todaty
13:07:03bluebrotherbtw, has anyone ever noticed that the forums start page has the login twice at the bottom?
13:07:36kugelon a related note, did anyone notice that the sidebar is styled differntly (differnt font, mainly) in the forums?
13:07:37bluebrotherthere's the login section in the "Info Center", and there are login fields below that outside of the Info Center
13:08:19JdGordonkugel: any chance you can look at (fix/close) 10030? it seems to be the only nat sorting bug still open
13:08:26bluebrothernot that it's much of importance though :)
13:08:44*kugel wants JdGordon to put at least fs before the numbers so my script kicks in
13:08:57funmanZagor: did you ln -sf mkamsboot-1.3 mkamsboot in /bootloader/sandisk-sansa/ ?
13:09:06Zagorah no, I forgot that
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13:09:39Zagorfixed now
13:10:19kugelJdGordon: well, the question is it a bug actually. should 002 sort before 01 or not?
13:10:33JdGordonI dont know :)
13:10:48S_a_i_n_tIMO, yes.
13:10:56JdGordonI'm sure you lot could come to a consensus pretty quickly though :)
13:10:58S_a_i_n_tbut, do I want a flamewar?
13:11:01S_a_i_n_tno. :)
13:11:07kugelbut bryan's comment from march 19 still applies I think (which would be a real bug)
13:11:30bluebrotherwell, I still haven't seen a specification how this natural sorting should work. If we had such a description the question would be trivial to answer
13:11:46lazybumHi anybody knows what to do with a transfer error -19 when trying to update the database? Clip+ user here
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13:12:41funmanlazybum: which rockbox version?
13:15:40gevaertsamiconn: Devcon10/testbuilds/ondiofm.zip
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13:19:59lazybumim using the latest version
13:20:29funmanlazybum: check filesystem
13:20:31lazybumI suddenly got the problem after transferring some files to my clip
13:20:51lazybumso i tried to reinstall but the problem persists
13:21:12funmanrun chkdsk or fsck
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13:23:39lazybumsorry this irc is lagging like mad for some reason
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13:24:50lazybumsorry but how do i do that?
13:27:00funmanhttp://support.microsoft.com/kb/315265
13:29:00JdGordonZagor: you dont remember how to fix the dates problem on flyspray?
13:29:18Zagorno, sorry
13:29:34JdGordonlooks like i need to create another account then :(
13:29:44Zagorwait a bit, I'll look around
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13:30:19JdGordonit happened when I changed my timezone...
13:30:22kugelJdGordon: have you checked your time stamp settings?
13:30:32JdGordonyes, it is correct
13:30:43Zagorkugel: time *stamp* ?
13:30:49kugelok, wouldn't have been the first time it gets screwed up for nor reason
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13:31:28ZagorJdGordon: kugel is right. your "detailed date format" field says "jdgordon"
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13:32:02JdGordonoh wtf?
13:32:11JdGordonI certainly didnt put that there on purpose :p
13:32:11Zagornice bug, there...
13:32:12JdGordonthanks
13:32:25lazybumok its solved thanks funman!
13:33:18*JdGordon gently pokes scorche|sh
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13:34:02ZagorI should upgrade flyspray some day...
13:35:02JdGordonanyone use pacbox?
13:36:39rasherZagor: iirc it was actually caused by an upgrade in the first place
13:37:19Zagorrasher: that sounds unlikely. I haven't touched flyspray in years.
13:37:23rasherOr at least a lot of people got their "detailed date format" set to their user name on an upgrade
13:37:40rasherYeah, I guess this instance wasn't
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13:39:40JdGordonhow do we feel about using the rating tag in mp3/others if the database isnt used?
13:39:44JdGordonor even if it is used?
13:39:53JdGordonFS #7670
13:40:33JdGordonlooks like that patch lets you choose which to use for the rating source
13:41:48JdGordonthe patch is way out of sync so if its something we might want I'll look into syncing it.. otherwsie close
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13:47:11JdGordonand .NSF users?
13:47:32JdGordon*tap tap*.. is this thing on? :p
13:50:27TorneDoes anyone have the ability to measure current drawn over USB, and an ipod mini 1g or ipod 4g mono?
13:50:35Tornewe don't have those models at devcon :(
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13:55:52*Domonoky1 has a ipod 4g grey here...
13:58:13*bluebrother only has a mini2g around and guesses that isn't needed
13:59:10JdGordonDomonoky1: can you get scorche's attention? I really want to get the skin changes in...
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14:00:40JdGordontheme site copy? hows it going?
14:01:10JdGordonand whos game to run the update script on it?
14:01:38scorche|shcopy is done
14:02:29bertrikthe clip plus mystery radio chip definitely looks like some other SiLabs chip, but with a different register mapping
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14:04:13JdGordonscorche: cool, to where? and running scripts?
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14:06:53CIA-6New commit by 03jdgordon (r26623): FS #9034 - sort viewers.config by plugin name so the open with window is alphabetically sorted
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14:10:00Stummiis there a script to easy build all simulators?
14:10:51JdGordonrelease/sims.pl if you are lucky
14:11:02JdGordongevaerts: can I interest you in FS #9053?
14:12:35bluebrotherwasn't it intentional to have the open with list not sorted? I.e. so the (assumed) more often used are at the top?
14:13:31JdGordonmaybe origionally, but it was mostly sorted by extension
14:13:36rasherStummi: I don't think you need luck. That script builds the sims on my website every day
14:13:57Stummiok, i will see then
14:14:09JdGordonor not
14:14:17Stummii think first i have to build all avaible cross-compilers first?
14:14:21Stummi-first
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14:16:46bluebrotherthe simulator doesn't need a cross compiler
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14:22:12JdGordonnuts, that volume label patch no worky :(
14:25:22Jaykayhi, while everyone (or only AlexP) is cleaning up the tracker, heres another one: FS #7432 is a duplicate of FS #10559, which got committed
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14:33:13_jhMikeS_funman: looks fine I guess. swp is sort of deprecated anyway. could probably do without the SW/SWAP defines as well (are the macros actually used anywhere now?)
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14:34:44JdGordonrasher: F#7984 - talk clips for the db.. close? resync+commit?
14:35:41rasherI'm not sure.. I'd love it if someone could improve it
14:35:48rasherBut I guess it's better than nothing
14:36:14JdGordondid it work?
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14:45:11funmanjhMikeS: i didn't look very far
14:45:22funmanjust noticed #ifdef CPU_PP inside another #ifdef CPU_PP
14:54:07AlexPJaykay: I don't think it is - FS #7432 had both lrc and snc, and FS #10559 was lrc only
14:54:16terusorting viewers.config by plugin name isn't a good idea imo as the order affects what plugin is used to open a file. now it beigns to sort a file if I select a .txt file.
14:54:23JdGordonso what do we do about the skin format changes? the patch is ready to go and needs to go in soonish so bieber can make sure his skin renderer agrees with svn...
14:54:48gevaertsJdGordon: I definitely want to make those names more flexible, but I'm not sure yet how
14:54:57jhMikeSfunman: I must've been making sure it really was CPU_PP :P
14:55:14bluebrotherscorche|sh, Domonoky1: any news on the theme site front?
14:55:43JdGordongevaerts: well that patch didnt work after a quick sync :( it would be nice to be able to use the volume name
14:56:01JdGordonAlso, I just saw your patch showing usb status... any thoughts on adding that?
14:56:26CIA-6New commit by 03kugel (r26624): Use SYS_FS_CHANGED and a slight rework in the recalculation of free disk space in the Rockbox Info screen.
14:56:30CIA-6New commit by 03bluebrother (r26625): Transmit installed build revision and release version to theme site. ...
14:57:00JdGordondoes rbutil have a "check for update"?
14:57:34Domonoky1JdGordon: no, but it does automatically check for updates, and informs the user :-)
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14:57:52JdGordonclose enough :)
14:58:11JdGordonso step 1) push a rbutil update, 2) fix the theme site 3) commit the break
14:58:49bluebrother4) properly support theme formats with the theme site
14:59:18JdGordoncan it all be done in the next few hours? :'(
14:59:56JdGordonthe other option is just getting someone to make a frontend for the update theme script which can work on an uploaded zip
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15:01:21CIA-6New commit by 03torne (r26626): USB charging support for iPods. ...
15:01:39gevaertsJdGordon: ok, I'll work on my own then :)
15:02:40Tornebluebrother: there you go )
15:02:52bluebrotherTorne: \o/
15:03:13TorneI need to update the manual to explain the new tristate usb charging setting
15:03:18Tornebut other than that, it's done
15:04:03bluebrotherso FS #8802 is fixed now, right?
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15:04:12AlexPJdGordon: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8968
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15:04:17AlexPThoughts? :)
15:04:22Tornebluebrother: Yeah, i'll close it in a mo
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15:05:02JdGordonAlexP: I guess that is more up to everyone else
15:05:18JdGordonI'm happy to sync and make it good if it willl be accepted
15:05:28bluebrotherAlexP: I still like inline settings, especially in a two-line way.
15:05:50AlexPI'm asking people here
15:06:10*JdGordon almost gages every time he looks at settings_list.c ... such a monstrosety
15:06:18*JdGordon likes to think he learnt from that :p
15:07:14bluebrotherAlexP: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=5881.msg45572#msg45572
15:08:10AlexPJdGordon: Most people here seem to like/be indifferent to the concept, but think that particular task should be shut as it isn't very useful (pending a proper go if you feel like it)
15:08:14JdGordonI dont remember if that patch let you change the value without going into the setting?
15:08:30AlexPJdGordon: Maybe following a brief discussion on the list :)
15:09:53JdGordonif we were using the skin engine to draw the lists this would be trvial to add
15:10:10AlexPJdGordon: So yeah, at least from the subsection of people here, sure, why not :)
15:12:40JdGordonok, leave it open, i've added a comment
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15:13:25JdGordonfunman: do you still need 11159?
15:14:04AlexPJdGordon: Will do
15:14:51funmanJdGordon: not *i*, every target which uses passthrough for FM playback
15:14:54*JdGordon doesnt know what to do about FS #9514... for completness it should go in, but nothing requires it
15:15:01funmanjust go in FM sound settings and modify bass/trebble
15:15:13JdGordonso should that patch be commited?
15:15:46JdGordonif it works its pretty silly keeping it in the tracker
15:16:11funmanyeah
15:16:41JdGordondoes it work?
15:17:37JdGordonit will with one quick change
15:19:01rasherJdGordon: voice clips for db worked fine as long as the string to be spoken was an artist name, album name or title
15:19:44rasherJdGordon: anything else would require parsing the tagnavi.conf and creating appropriate voice clips for the strings made up of several items
15:19:54rasherOr combining them in the talk enging
15:20:49CIA-6New commit by 03gevaerts (r26627): Remove card_enable_monitoring() and use a mutex instead. The card_enable_monitoring() method actually didn't eliminate the possible race conditions it ...
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15:23:53CIA-6New commit by 03jdgordon (r26628): don't draw the presets on the FM frequency bar, they look like crap. This will come back when they are configurable shortly
15:24:33*gevaerts thinks that mutexes take too much RAM
15:26:02JdGordonfunman: doesnt work in the sim.... if it works on target it can go in though
15:26:15funmanJdGordon: i didnt test it
15:26:30*amiconn thinks it was a good idea to not just commit the pp502x lcd address "fixup" right away
15:26:50amiconnIt's actually breaking stuff on pp5022...
15:28:15CIA-6New commit by 03gevaerts (r26629): Make disk_init() non-static again. I forgot to look at the bootloaders
15:28:21yorickTorne: I only want it be charging when it isn't connected to an usb host
15:29:06yorickonly charge on AC adapter and not on PC
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15:30:45Torneyorick: turn the option on and off then
15:31:41Zagoryorick: that's a too special case to have it hardcoded
15:32:02yorickZagor: my PC can't handle full power USB, that's why I have a charger
15:32:22Zagorsorry, your pc is broken. it's not our job to workaround.
15:32:32AlexPyorick: We can't have an option for every little thing, and this is really not something most people will worry about
15:32:38TorneWHat do you mean, can't handle?
15:32:48Torneif you connect to a hub that doesn't have enough power it won't charge
15:32:55Torneit only charges if it's been told by the host that it an
15:32:58yorickTorne: it makes strange noises :)
15:34:23TorneWell, yeah
15:34:26TorneYou have broken hardware :)
15:34:40Torneif you set USB charging to "off" it will draw no more than 100mA from the port
15:34:48JdGordonfunman: ok, got it working, only bass and treble?
15:34:58Torneif you need it to work that way then yo'll have to patch it yourself
15:34:59yorickbut it will also draw no more than 100 mA from my charger :)
15:34:59JdGordonand bass cutoff
15:35:05TorneYes, so change the option
15:35:08Torneor patch the code
15:35:19TorneTHe function is usb_max_allowed_current in firmware/usbstack/usb_core.c
15:35:28TorneYou can change the logic there to anything you like
15:35:29pixelmaJdGordon: do you still have an H300 - and a remote with it?
15:35:42JdGordonyes, but it isnt working currently
15:36:39*gevaerts wants help with the remaining r26627 reds
15:37:45pixelmagevaerts: adding some? ;)
15:37:55gevaertsSure, go ahead!
15:38:31funmanJdGordon: well any setting which involves processing of audio data
15:38:34JdGordonpixelma: why do you ask?
15:38:44pixelmahmm... ok, just noticed that not all controls in the graphical eq screen are available on the H100 remote. There doesn't seem to be a remote eq context so it uses everything standard but some non-standard things (increase/decrease the values) are missing
15:39:24pixelmaand don't look at the manual to find out which ones I mean. It's quite wrong there
15:40:02pixelmanot sure if the H300 remote is different there though
15:40:08JdGordonfunman: which are? :)
15:40:11peturpixelma: I have a remote
15:40:16peturjust not with me :/
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15:40:41CIA-6New commit by 03gevaerts (r26630): Don't initialise disk_* for the sim, and make sure disk.c isn't built at all
15:41:25funmanJdGordon: anything but volume
15:41:51funmanbut actually jhMikeS added some hardware sound settings to the gigabeats recently so it might different for this one :/
15:41:59funmanjhMikeS: can you help with this ^ ?
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15:46:11JdGordonbluebrother: Domonoky1? :'(
15:46:33Domonoky1JdGordon: working on it... the copy still doesnt really work.
15:46:42JdGordonok :)
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15:50:28CIA-6New commit by 03amiconn (r26632): Use atomic GPIO manipulation where appropriate.
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15:57:27Domonoky1JdGordon: copy is finished, and now available at http://themes.rockbox.org/oldsite/www/
15:57:56JdGordonI get a logon prompt
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16:01:27scorche|shJdGordon: should be fine now
16:01:49JdGordonyep :)
16:02:36jhMikeSfunman: what's going on now?
16:02:47JdGordonso, uh, how do we do this?
16:02:49Domonoky1 so we can now modify the theme zips (and the rbutilqt.php) without worries.. but Devcon is nearly ending now..
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16:06:04JdGordonmcuelenaere has done a php page to run the update theme script... im a bit wary of running it on the live site though
16:06:32JdGordonat the very least can the zips be backed up?
16:07:07Domonoky1we have a backup now :-)
16:07:47funmanjhMikeS: can you change sound settings when listening to FM on gigabeast?
16:08:21jhMikeSfunman: you can change sound settings, just not tone controls or 3d effect, sine they're digital
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16:09:11jhMikeStechnically, you can change them, but not listen to the change live on an analog path
16:09:13Domonoky1JdGordon: i think its ok to convert the themes on the site in the next days... it doesnt hurt much if svn doesnt have themes for a few days.
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16:09:30funmanjhMikeS: so what you can change include bass / trebble?
16:09:46funmani don't know if the gigabeats is the only target with HW bass/trebble control
16:10:11bluebrotherDomonoky1: changes to rbutilqt.php: http://pastebin.ca/1877879
16:10:34bluebrotherof course that revision 25000 needs to get changes, and the link to the old site
16:10:37jhMikeSfunman: hardly, others have it, but the irivers with the UDA 1380 allow radio digital loopback because it has a digital mixer, so voice can be heard too, thus the tone controls also work
16:11:10Domonoky1bluebrother: if you find the time, please finish and commit that, and i will update it when we converted the zips.
16:11:18JdGordonDomonoky1: ok, so commit it?
16:11:22funmanwe'll need some new #HAVE_SOMETHING to only show these settings for irivers?
16:11:23jhMikeSfunman: gigabeat F has HW tone, but no FM
16:11:44funmanor can we use existing something_SW_TONE
16:12:07jhMikeSfunman: I suppose. They might be unique in having that digital mixer. If S had it, I'd set it up the same way.
16:12:10bluebrotherDomonoky1: ok, so you're trying to do the conversion now?
16:12:53Domonoky1bluebrother: no. i have to leave devcon now..
16:13:00Domonoky1i can try todo it in the next days..
16:13:50bluebrotherok
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16:14:08bluebrothercommitting won't affect the live system, will it?
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16:15:34jhMikeSfunman: S "tone controls" are five bands, under a submenu, with an "advanced" subment under that, FYI (in case it matters)
16:17:30JdGordonOK, I'll commit tomorow my time...
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16:18:14ocinwhere can I find the default wps for 128x64x1? rockbox_default is just a dummy file and I'd like to modify it a little
16:18:18CIA-6New commit by 03torne (r26633): USB charging: update manual
16:19:15JdGordonocin: the default? i.e the one with images?
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16:20:53jhMikeSJdGordon: I think ocin meant the old style default (which is included in the bin as a fallback iirc?)
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16:32:47bluebrotherocin: rockbox_default is only in the code, it's not a separate file. Btw, that default is not related to any resolution. The default theme however is cabbiev2.
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16:34:43jhMikeSocin: it's in /apps/gui/wps.c , starting approx. line 130
16:39:03ocinthanks
16:40:04bluebrothermaybe we should rename rockbox_default to rockbox_classic?
16:41:09JdGordonocin: http://pastebin.com/KpvtY42P if that is the one you want
16:41:17JdGordonalthough its still 50:50 if it is
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16:46:11ocinhttp://omploader.org/vNGludw thats the one I'm liiking for, called rockbox_default in the wps settings menu
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16:51:21ocinJdGordon: looks like it is the one
16:51:50JdGordonuber blurry cam :D
16:52:21topikcool, i'm saving that one too so i can change it a bit
16:52:25topikon the clip+ it's great
16:52:39ocinyeah, mobile phone failed to focus :p
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16:53:28ocinit's one of the few useable wps for the clip
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16:58:04bertrikocin, the cabbie v2 wps for the clip was modified a bit this weekend to unify it with an existing one for a remote with the same resolution
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17:00:52ocincabbiev2 does not look bad too but personally I don't really like it
17:04:23JdGordondamn sansa for makeing the yellow 16px instead of 8 or 10
17:04:35ocinah! iAmp is used as the default one, just figured
17:04:55JdGordon6.35MB buffer on the clip+? yeah right?
17:05:10JdGordonocin: ? no it isnt
17:05:40ocinit looks the same like rockbox_default
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17:06:27Zagordoing the heavy lifting now B)
17:06:46ocinrockbox info telling me 6.19mb buffer JdGordon
17:07:01JdGordonI thought the clip had a tiny buffer?
17:07:27JdGordonapparenlty it has 8mb
17:07:35FlynDiceclip does clip+ has 8MB
17:07:46*FlynDice is slow as usual
17:08:03JdGordonah ok
17:10:43ocinhttp://themes.rockbox.org/themes/128x64/basipeak/wps-basipeak-wps.PNG - 1. what is the icon in the top right indicating? 2. is it possible to get rid of the dots between the visualisation bars, they look like artifacts? :p
17:10:59topikflash access
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17:13:26Torneocin: the dots are the scale..
17:14:19ocinTorne: I know
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17:17:13JdGordonnot without editing the code
17:21:54Stummihm, i am wondering if it would be possible, to port the gcc to rockbox *g*
17:22:38ocinclipline, dancepuffduo, engineer2 are "broken" on the clip(+) by the way (mainly because if the yellow)
17:22:38Stummiand how much time it would take to compile rockox at my 8-mhz-arm fuse :D
17:24:13JdGordonStummi: belive it or not, that isnt the worst idea we've ever heard!
17:24:27ocinfirefox!
17:24:44Stummilol
17:25:04JdGordonahem ""I know that Opera and Firefox both have ARM versions, so a port to RockBox shouldn't be too hard.""
17:25:12JdGordonhttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5780
17:26:03Stummilol
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17:30:07Stummibut a python-port would be a nice thing *g*
17:31:53Zagorrbutil calls itself RockboxUtility.exe when it copies itself to a player, even in linux
17:44:37n1sto confuse poor windows users, no doubt :)
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17:46:17bluebrotherrbutil is now called RockboxUtility btw :)
17:48:04TorneStummi: a python port would not be particularly useful, really
17:48:46Tornei've looked at it
17:50:32TorneStummi: lua doesnt' get a great deal of use, so adding another embedded language which is far larger and slower is probably not super relevant
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17:51:38Tornealso, how to actully include it would be a problem in itself; lua's source is tiny enough that we can just drop it into our repo, but python's source is garantuan by comparison
17:51:54Tornemaintaining what would effectively be a fork is not great
17:52:48n1si love whaen people suggests we port flash to rockbox since that will by some magic mechanism bring a flashier gui :)
17:53:10n1shas anyone done any thing noteworthy with the lua thing?
17:53:45Tornethere's a game or two implemented in it, i think
17:54:19Tornethe problem with python is we'd have to throw out huge chunks of the standard library tohave any hope of fitting on target
17:54:46Tornewe don't have dynamic loading so all extension modules we wanted would need to be compiled in, and that adds up very fast.. then the memory usage of imported pythonc ode is also considerable
17:55:14n1sah, yes there are 4 lua plugins
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17:55:40pixelma4? I only know of the boomshine one
17:55:40JdGordonI expect eventually someone will redo the wps in lua
17:56:01Torneboomshine, stopwatch, plus helloworld and test_viewports which don't really count
17:56:08Torneso yeah, one game, one app plugin, and two test/demo things
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18:36:50bluebrotherthe lang file cleanup revealed a serious flaw in Rockbox Utility: it always uses daily versions for voices
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19:29:33Rob2223Does anything got done regarding RB-USB for the SANSAs at devcon?
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19:37:15CIA-6New commit by 03roolku (r26635): fix typo in r26245 (I guess not many people use rtc_alarm with gigabeat f)
19:37:47gevaertsRob2223: the AMS sansas?
19:37:56Rob2223yes
19:38:20gevaertspamaury worked on it, and he now has the USB tracer to help him
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20:02:11CIA-6New commit by 03bluebrother (r26637): Distinguish between release and current build when installing voice files. ...
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20:12:52pixelmabluebrother: do you have your M:Robe100 handy and could help me out finding the keymap of the grqphical eq?
20:13:02pixelmaor graphical
20:14:04bluebrotherpixelma: sure, just need to find the cable
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20:14:20pixelmabattery flat?
20:14:34notlisteningbluebrother, I hate missing cables
20:15:26bluebrotherno. Hmm, seems I even updated Rockbox recently (thought it was ages old)
20:15:51pixelmaspeaking of missing cables... there was one USB mini-B cable over at the DevCon place - so in case anyone misses it we took it with us
20:16:18bluebrotherfortunately standard cables are rather easy to replace :)
20:16:40bluebrother(which is what I really hate about all those players with non-standard connectors :( )
20:16:52pixelmatrue
20:17:04bluebrotherok, can check
20:17:29pixelmabluebrother: could you tell me which buttons move up and down between the bands, increase/decrease values and which one is for switching the thing to set and which leaves the scren
20:18:13pixelmaseems to be more or less standard actions and I would have to read my way through the keymap file otherwise (or try in a sim)
20:18:54bluebrotherup/down: move between bands
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20:19:08bluebrotherleft/right: decrease / increase value
20:19:35bluebrotherSelect: toggle between Gain, Cutoff and Q
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20:20:51bluebrotherentering: from the menu (got there via context menu / sound settings). Is there a button for entering the EQ at all?
20:21:10bluebrotherah, looks I misread :)
20:21:18pixelmanot that I'm aware of
20:21:36pixelmagreat thanks. :) I'm updating the button table and it misses half of the targets and there are quite some errors in the rest of it
20:21:48bluebrotherthought you asked about how to enter the EQ. Confused me a bit, but you didn't ask that at all :)
20:22:23bluebrotherany other target I could help by trying out?
20:23:18pixelmaI think I've covered all of them for now
20:23:55bluebrotherok, nice
20:24:18pixelmaI was just wondering if I should introduce \Actions for it to make the table simpler but thought it's more important to give the correct info for now
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20:41:04CIA-6New commit by 03bluebrother (r26638): Sort rbutil.ini general section and rename voice_url for clarity.
20:48:22*amiconn found teh problem
20:48:30amiconnThe architecture parameter was wrong
20:48:53amiconnIf you specify a nonexisting architecture, rbclient.pl doesn't handle that well
20:51:14amiconnworx
20:55:34amiconnUnhelpful: The PCM codec can play any standard sample rate (8/11/12/16/22/24/32/44/48 kHz), mono or stereo, little endian or big endian, 8 or 16 bit pcm
20:55:42amiconnSo WAV and AIFF are possible
20:55:56amiconnThings like ADPCM could be decoded on the SH1
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20:58:09Unhelpfulamiconn: yes, but ADPCM has lousy compression ratios *and* sound quality... you could pretty much guarantee better performance on both counts with the MPA codec :)
20:58:30Unhelpfulunless you already have an ADPCM file, i suppose
20:58:53amiconnI've been thinking about the latter
20:59:27*pixelma has a very few IMA ADPCM files
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21:00:15Unhelpful"just to not make it worse by transcoding to mp3", basically?
21:01:09pixelmabut quality doesn't suffer noticably when transcoded to MP3, they are just so bad originally. I just keep them as a "souvenir" - those are live recordings from a concert I went to
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21:17:18Buschelphew! after 2 1/2 hours eabi toolchain has been built for cygwin. never thought it would take this long...
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22:16:09LloreanTorne: You there?
22:16:34gevaertsLlorean: unlikely
22:17:17LloreanAh well, it's not urgent.
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22:32:35Buschelshort test_codec runs with eabi gcc 4.4.4 against arm-elf gcc 4.0.3 on an iPod Video (PP502x) show similar results to kugel's tests. mp3 speed is nearly identical, mpc is minor slower (-0.4%), flac is reasonable slower (-8%).
22:33:21Buschelat least for flac this more or less irrelevant as the resulting real-time need is still (far) beyond the unboosted clock
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22:52:18Buschelinteresting. with eabi it is possible to disable the asm implementation of dct32 in libmad (this lead to hard crash with former compiler).if combined with -O1 (nstead of -O2) this speeds up mp3 decoding from 21.1 MHz to 20.5 MHz on my iPod Video.
22:53:53Buschel-> http://www.pastebin.org/313497
22:54:49Buschelthese results are similar to what I have experienced in mpc decoder. the dct32 asm routine is _slower_ than a gcc compiled version.
22:55:03bertriknice
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22:56:23Buschelmaybe mr. somebody should check this on other arm's as well
22:58:59simonrvnso what makes the v2 fuzes be in "unusable" status?
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22:59:24simonrvnwww.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaAMS
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23:09:32Buschelgood night
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23:24:44simonrvndunno who collects the firmwares on daniel.haxx.se but here's a 02.03.33 one: simonraven.kisikew.org/src/sansa/fuzev2/fuze02.03.33.zip
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23:28:38Bagderwhat's that "clpp_data.dat" file within the zip?
23:31:20Bagderother firmware zips don't have that, so this 2.3.33 file is much bigger than usual
23:34:51simonrvnhmm, sec
23:36:33simonrvnwell the first line in mcview shows ID3......vTIT2.......slotRadio Promotion Rev5.TPE1... ...SanDisk.TYER.......2010.TCON.......Rock.GEOB.........SfMarkers
23:36:59simonrvnprobably some promo video for slotradio
23:37:05simonrvnor mp3
23:37:34simonrvnalso that renaming the bin with T, A etc. works too
23:38:38simonrvni was also successful in using the mkamsboot in SVN with the bootloader-fuzev2.sansa and that OF revision
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23:41:28Bagderthanks, firmware added
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