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#rockbox log for 2010-06-15

00:01:08wodzpixelma: Nearly everything can be affected. I didn't changed code by itself but strange things may come out
00:01:55wodzworking playback is *BIG* success in my eyes :-)
00:02:22soapthe virus could write an autorun.inf file and deliver an .exe payload that preys upon autorun being on on legacy Windows systems.
00:02:59soapsaid .exe installs a system service which writes (mind you the _correct_) rock file to any mounted removeable device with Rockbox installed.
00:03:51bertrikpamaury, what file and what line has the offending d2 delay code?
00:04:03kisakinfect rockbox with an AI that can direct connect to other mp3 players and attack the hardware until it can survive in the hostile environment, then learn from the assimilated port to move even quicker the next time
00:04:09soapeven better the HID capabilities could be subverted to randomly issue an Alt+F4.
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00:05:03pamaurybertrik: i2c-telechip.c, I'm trying to rewrite in assembly
00:05:11wodzALT+CTRL+BACKSPACE on unices :-)
00:05:47kisakon X sessions which have that still enabled wodz
00:06:04pixelmawodz: all sound effect seem to take effect (just tested adjusting though, not setting something else)
00:06:14bertrikguys, this sounds more like #rockbox-community talk
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00:07:02wodzbertrik: discussion about rockbox virus development? are you kidding? ;-)
00:10:03pixelmathat pictureflow thing doesn't do much on hwcodec. You couldn't start playback from it before and there was no change in the plugin itself. Still these got the same "framework" as swcodec
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00:11:30simonrvni keep seeing the sim crash. wth.
00:13:55pamauryhum, I rewrote the delay_loop thing in assembly but it just crashes, I'm not used to write arm assembly though, however I can't see how I could have get it wrong
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00:21:41stripwaxpamaury - pastebin? and/or are you certain that that is the thing that crashes?
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00:25:54pamauryno sorry, it freezes, just wait a minute
00:34:13pamaurystripwax: http://pastebin.com/5bmFKSrm
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00:38:26bertrikpamaury, maybe I'm missing something, but wouldn't this work: http://pastebin.ca/1883241 ?
00:39:45stripwaxpamaury - hrm, %0 should be an output register, since you're modifying it.
00:40:04stripwaxand %1 should be an input register.
00:40:25stripwaxlooks like you have both 0 and 1 as input registers
00:41:09bertrikAlso, i2c communication can hardly be *too slow* I think
00:41:33pamauryah ok, did you compile the asm volatile("nop") trick with gcc 4.4.0 ? I would be nice if it worked
00:42:09kisak"I would be nice" ... you're not nice otherwise?
00:42:31kisak:P
00:42:32bertrikpamaury, no, I only tried with the new arm eabi 4.4.4
00:43:26stripwaxwhy not just initialise to freq>>2, and subs,bne.
00:43:34stripwax^ >>22 i mean
00:44:01stripwaxor is idea that delay loop has exactly 4 instructions?
00:44:03pamauryI don't know, I tried to get the same code as the old abi compiler
00:44:52stripwaxhrm. presumably someone has a calibration in mind with this delay loop? or does it not really matter if it takes maybe 25% more or less time?
00:45:14stripwaxor is that actually the problem? (wasn't really watching the conversation earlier)
00:45:30pamauryok, the asm volatile("nop") generates good code for both compilers it seems but adds a nop. Let's try with this. I don't know if the timing is highly critical or not
00:45:43stripwaxdid you see what I wrote about making %0 an *output* register?
00:46:20gevaertspamaury: you can always add some more NOPs and change that shift to compensate
00:46:31pamauryyep, I forgot about this, I've not written inline assembly for ages
00:46:58pamauryit seems to work with the nop, at least backlight and touchscreen
00:46:59pamaury\o/
00:47:53stripwaxscary that we have calibrated delay loops that are written in c
00:49:06pamauryI'm not sure the timing is that critical. It just can't be too fast or too slow probably but I don't know the details of i2c
00:49:14pamauryLet's try with the old abi
00:50:14pamauryseems to work too
00:50:55bertrikAFAIK, I2C cannot really be too slow. Probably all I2C devices can work at 100 kHz clock and most at 400 kHz clock.
00:51:27pamauryYes but can it accomodate every frequency inbetween ? Because our implementation is not really precise
00:52:24bertrikYes it can
00:52:38pamauryShould I commit that ?
00:52:51pamauryIt works on the D2 I have with both old and new abi so it should be fine
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00:56:44pamauryOk, let's go ahead. We will stick with the old abi compiler but with the new fix and after more testing, we'll switch to eabi
00:57:55gevaertssounds good
00:58:16bertrikSounds like a good plan! I have no d2 and never developed for it, so I'm not really the one to decide.
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01:01:32CIA-6New commit by 03pamaury (r26850): cowond2: make sure the i2c delay loop code is actually generated by the eabi compiler. ...
01:02:05pamauryThe next step would be to recalculate the FREQ>>2 magic to acknowledge this nop instruction probably
01:02:15pamaury(if it really matter)
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01:03:31CIA-6r26850 build result: All green
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01:51:13S_a_i_n_tIs there a themesite admin in the house?
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02:15:55S_a_i_n_tCan someone please look at committing FS #5855? I adds AI to the plugin pong.rock so it can be played as a 1 player game, which I personally find quite awesome as on some targets in particular even attempting to play 2 player is a bit of a mission. And, on the iPods for instance playing 2 player requires either perfect cooperation, or risking damaging the clickwheel by trying to get it to do something it is definitely not designed for.
02:16:25S_a_i_n_t(ie. pressing two buttons on opposite sides of the clickwheel at the same time)
02:16:54S_a_i_n_tAdditionally, I find the idea of a solely 2 player game on a DAP a little ridiculous ;)
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04:22:28dhansen7is it safe to use the RockboxUtility (1.2.6) with the sansa clip+?
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04:24:19JdGordonyes
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04:24:47dhansen7ok, so I just download the utility run it, and voila?
04:24:51dhansen7it works?
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04:25:52dhansen7JdGordon: should I upgrade to the latest OF first?
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04:49:18*JdGordon wonders why the d2 wont start rockbox
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05:02:09JdGordonwhat the heck? it only boots rockbox if hold is on?
05:02:20S_a_i_n_tOdd.
05:02:55S_a_i_n_tWhen did you get a D2? Is it a D2, or a D2+?
05:04:15JdGordongot it today, regular d2
05:04:26S_a_i_n_tNice.
05:04:40JdGordon8gb internal, 16gb external :)
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05:11:56JdGordonanyone awake that knows arm?
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05:16:05S_a_i_n_tAnyone awake that happens to be a themesite admin?
05:16:35JdGordonsend an email to them...
05:16:54S_a_i_n_tHmmm, good point.
05:17:35S_a_i_n_tI saw scorche floating around in -community earlier...thought maybe I could catch him.
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05:26:16JdGordonfirst thing I need to do is get the skin touch regions working in the sbs...
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05:52:55dhansen7do people generally find that rockbox has better sound quality than the OF for the clip+?
05:53:53S_a_i_n_t_that depends on the perception of "better" I suppose...people like different things.
05:54:22S_a_i_n_t_It definitely has better options to customise the sound than the OF though.
05:54:32dhansen7yeah, I'm trying to decide right now if I like it or not, it seems like the quality is pretty good
05:54:37dhansen7at least as good as the OF
05:56:30S_a_i_n_t_I think (personally) that even if the sound quality *was* a little "worse" (again, this is subjective) that everything else that RB allows a DAP to do makes it a pretty straightforward choice.
05:56:42S_a_i_n_t_There simply *isn't* an OF that comes close to RB.
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06:32:29scorchedhansen7: it depends on the target, but generally rockbox sounds the same as the original firmware, though rockbox gives you many more options to change how it sounds through the use of things like parametric EQ, crossfeed, etc
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06:40:34dhansen7I've read the manual and searched a bit, but I can't seem to find the "Pitch Screen"
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06:44:08webguest96does Rockbox for the Snasa Fuze still drain more battery then the stock firmware?
06:44:12webguest96*sansa
06:44:25scorchethe clip+ is not a stable port...therefore, some things may not be working properly or even at all...if you do not see it in the manual, it is possible that that feature does not exist yet for that device - however i do not have one and have not been involved in its development, so i do not know
06:44:27dhansen7oh my.....gapless playback is so smooth
06:44:50scorchedhansen7: it isnt "lessgap" playback ;)
06:45:24dhansen7scorche: yes, finally an affordable player/firmware that can do it right :)
06:45:47webguest96Because when I was using the unstable port it did drain more... but I was wondering if that has changed.
06:46:10scorchewebguest96: well, you could test it yourself...
06:46:40dhansen7what does "wps" stand for?
06:46:54webguest96Just making sure if someone might have already tested ;)
06:47:20scorchedhansen7: "while playing screen"...the manual should say as much...
06:47:53dhansen7scorche: sorry to bother, I just found it
06:47:59dhansen7just thinking out loud a bit
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06:50:12webguest96So, has their been any progress with hacking Zunes/iPods?
06:50:28webguest96Just curious :P
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06:53:35dhansen7amazingly, the clip+ rockbox port hasn't given me any problems or crashed yet
06:53:39dhansen7everything seems to work
06:53:52mscoolnerdI need some help with building
06:54:50mscoolnerdthe configure tool reports as being unable to find arm-elf-eabi-gcc or arm-elf-eabi-ld
06:56:11mscoolnerdi ajusted the path but still nothing
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07:02:48mscoolnerdcould someone please help me?
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08:17:20dhansen7has anyone ever gotten the "FAT corrupted" message with rockbox on the clip+?
08:17:58dhansen7I'm getting that message, and I've connected the device to the computer in MSC mode, but I keep getting I/O errors when I try to reformat it
08:18:20dhansen7that message is coming from the OF by the way
08:20:22JdGordonhavnt seen that before
08:20:26JdGordondo a format from inside the of
08:20:45dhansen7How can I do that?
08:20:52dhansen7it won't boot into the OF
08:21:08dhansen7usually you hit the left button right?
08:22:39dhansen7well, I think I managed to ruin my clip+, it can't read or write properly to the device in MSC mode, even fdisk generates I/O errors
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08:24:50dhansen7JdGordon: can I somehow force it into the of?
08:24:58dhansen7even with fat corrupted?
08:25:04JdGordonhold left
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08:25:36dhansen7yeah, it says to connect the clip to a PC
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08:25:44dhansen7which doesn't seem to be working either
08:26:04JdGordoneek
08:27:00dhansen7I think I might have accidentally triggered a database update and initialization simultaneously
08:27:18dhansen7it looks like the flash memory itself might have been overloaded
08:27:27dhansen7looks like it's trashed
08:27:43dhansen7dammit
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08:29:48JdGordonthat should be fixable...
08:30:57dhansen7JdGordon: is there some kind of recovery mode, the other day you mentioned there was some way to unbrick it
08:31:22JdGordonyes, you need to open it up and connect two pins
08:32:07dhansen7something tells me that it needs a hard reset
08:32:24dhansen7like there's still some kind of resource that is tying up the flash controller
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08:32:42dhansen7but, I've already held down the power button for 20 seconds
08:32:46dhansen7and that didn't do anything
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08:39:35wodzI just got email from a guy that he send HD200 remote for me by post :-) Do we have list of donators or something like this?
08:43:06JdGordonI dont tihnk so...
08:45:54dhansen7JdGordon: where are the two pins I need to short, and is it a momentary thing, or do I need to keep them shorted?
08:48:15JdGordonits in the wiki somewhere... cant find it now though
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08:53:21simonrvnSansaAMS page probably
08:55:01CIA-6New commit by 03bieber (r26851): Theme Editor: Changed color to colour in preferences. Made parse tree viewer alternate line colors and auto-scroll/expand with cursor in editor ...
08:55:24CIA-6New commit by 03jdgordon (r26852): FS #11096 - fix the "last touch" tag from being true on boot
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09:00:42pondlifeCan somebody who has access add Fuze/M:Robe 100/Vibe 500 to the Flyspray "Player Type" list now they are stable..?
09:02:47Stummierm.. has the used compiler for the sansa-fuse-v2 changed from arm to arm-eabi last days or so?
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09:08:38CIA-6New commit by 03pondlife (r26853): FS #10336 - Simplify list redrawing to improve voicing when scrolling to top/bottom.
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09:08:57funmanthat'd be the m6sl OF code for LCD SPI, just checking i'm reading the good thing
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09:18:59bertrikAlexP, domonoky, can you try this patch on your beast and e200v2 respectively: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11403 ?
09:19:20AlexPbertrik: I can, but I'm at work so I can't build until this evening
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09:19:37AlexPbertrik: If you put a build up somewhere for me, I can test now though :)
09:20:06bertrikok, thanks in advance, and tonight is fine, have to go to work myself :)
09:20:11Luca_Shello funman - here is the battery bench you asked two days ago (fuzev2, unpatched): http://pastebin.com/Q8cfV7b0
09:20:26funmanbertrik: nice work
09:20:34AlexPbertrik: OK :)
09:20:34*JdGordon has no idea how to add touchscreen regions to other screens :(
09:20:51funmanLuca_S: thanks, i've seen it. my fuzev2 is still running
09:21:35Luca_Sok, gotta go (work), see you later
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09:26:35JdGordonfunman: I didnt get any crashes on the bench, but after 90min it did autoshutdown, but that might have been me playing
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09:26:47JdGordon15h sounds damn nice :)
09:33:39JdGordonso here is my problem.... in each screen there is a different set of possible actions... ACTION_WPS_* ACTION_FM_* ACTION_TREE_* ACTION_STD_*... this works well for hardware buttons but in the touchscreen skin thing we have a mapping from "next" to ACTION_WPS_NEXT...
09:34:08JdGordondo I setup a bunch of new ACTIONS_*'s for this and then have each button handler work out which we want to use?
09:34:20JdGordonin which case which would be good generic button names?
09:34:51JdGordonor, do I just setup a new set for each place they could work? (so wps, fm, sbs)
09:35:06JdGordonin which case "menu" and some other ones would be problematic
09:38:01JdGordonI'm thinking the first way probably is better...
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09:42:41funmanJdGordon: patch seems to give +30mins on clipv2
09:42:59JdGordonhardly worth the effort :p
09:43:03JdGordon... I mean.. woo!
09:43:08*funman slaps JdGordon
09:43:35funmani think i can get more runtime by removing all this useless skin stuff
09:43:47*funman laughs evily AHAH
09:44:15JdGordonuseless aye?!
09:44:55funmanjust kidding
09:45:04funmanyou know what's the OF battery life on your clip+ ?
09:45:26funmanalso, autoshutdown after 90minutes -> looks like you forgot repeat all ?
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09:46:49JdGordonno clue, and yeah maybe
09:49:40*JdGordon grumbles
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10:10:38webguest45is it possible to have a different size font on the now playing screen than on the menus?
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10:38:25CIA-6New commit by 03jdgordon (r26854): first step of making touch regions usable in all skins, not just the WPS.. no user viewable changes just yet
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11:20:55amiconnwodz: pong
11:21:25Stummibuilding rockbox from svn for fuze v2 fails on my machine (debian stable). Somebody here to reproduce this problem?
11:22:33wodzamiconn: I have some problems with introducing line transfers to lcd_grey_data() for HD200. Do You have time to look?
11:22:44n1sStummi: if you tell us what the problem is
11:23:14S_a_i_n_tStummi: Pastebin the error, that'd help ;)
11:23:18amiconnwodz: Not now; maybe tonight
11:24:14wodzamiconn: ok I'll fiddle with it now on my own than
11:26:34S_a_i_n_tStummi:.....?
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11:39:47Stummii was afk, moment
11:40:25StummiS_a_i_n_t: http://nopaste.info/8717009e63.html
11:43:20S_a_i_n_tAh, so was I just now sorry ;)
11:43:25S_a_i_n_tI'll take a look.
11:45:20S_a_i_n_tStummi: I must say I have no idea myself, it's not something I've seen before personally.
11:45:52S_a_i_n_tI'm sure someone will come along at some stage that does though.
11:46:23Stummithe file core_asmdefs.h just seems to be missing
11:47:02gevaertsStummi: did you start from a clean directory?
11:47:48Stummigevaerts, you mean the build-process? Yes i created an direcotry "build" where I did all
11:50:49amiconnpamaury: Regarding that delay loop - you don't need the 'nop' (which makes things slower
11:50:51amiconn)
11:51:23n1sStummi: do you get any errors before this or when running configure?
11:51:30amiconnJust using asm volatile (""); in the loop body should be sufficient to stop gcc from optimizing it away
11:51:38wodzgevaerts: do we have consensus to what eol-style should be set?
11:52:18gevaertswodz: if it's set, it should be "LF" (or "CRLF" for some windows-specific files possibly)
11:52:21n1swodz: i think everyone agrees that it should be LF if kept at all
11:52:50n1sapps/core_asmdefs.h doesn't exist btw
11:53:08gevaertsit's a generated file
11:53:21Stummin1s, no
11:54:00n1sgevaerts: hah
11:54:13wodzdo we know which windows-specific files do we have? Can we add rule based on extension for example? (I mean *.bat should be CRLF for example)
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12:03:52wodzAnd finally there ware no voice that keywords property is very useful. Can we agree to drop this (and remove $id) line from files?
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12:09:22pamauryamiconn: you're right, I though that an empty asm volatile statement was optimized away but apparently I was wrong. I'll change it in a few hours anyway
12:09:32pamaury* thought
12:18:04gevaertsStummi: what does "make $PWD/apps/core_asmdefs.h" say?
12:18:27JdGordonsincehen is makeinfo needed by rocknboxdev.sh?
12:19:06gevaertsJdGordon: newer gcc seems to need it
12:19:22gevaertsYou might be able to get it to build without of course
12:19:38JdGordonwhat package is it in?
12:19:55JdGordonapt-cache search only sees it in texi2html and that has no install candidate?
12:19:58gevaertstexinfo
12:20:29JdGordonta
12:22:29Stummigevaerts, "ASMDEFS core_asmdefs.h", and then, make doesn't fail there anymore :)
12:23:06Stummibut it fails on an other step now
12:23:44gevaertshave you already tried make clean?
12:23:51Stummihttp://pastebin.com/Nm19KbK8
12:23:53Stummino, moment
12:23:56gevaertsAlso, your disk isn't full or anything like that?
12:24:33Stumminope
12:24:44Stummiso, i did make clean now and will try to make another time
12:24:56gevaertsok, either your build directory was *not* clean when you started, or your toolchain isn't correct
12:25:48Stummii maked the arm-eabi-compiler directly before trying to make today
12:33:22n1sStummi: did you make it with rockboxdev.sh?
12:33:34wodzamiconn: I found the bug in my patch that introduce line transfers to lcd_grey_data for HD200. test_fps (boosted) gives 152.0 fps (47% load) -> 190.0 fps (33% load) improvement :-)
12:33:59Stummin1s, yes
12:34:32n1sStummi: and then you ran configure in your build dir?
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12:34:49Stummiyes
12:34:59n1s... and configure didn't complain?
12:35:34Stummino, it worked fine
12:36:59n1sbut it used to work with the old arm-elf compiler?
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12:38:22Stummithe last try before today was last friday. An there it worked, so, maybe yes it can be related to the new compiler
12:38:36Stummioh, moment
12:38:52Stumminow it worked
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12:39:19Stummimaybe i forgot "make clean" earlier
12:39:43n1syou said you did make clean ...
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12:41:45CIA-6New commit by 03wodz (r26856): HD200 - use line transfers in lcd_grey_data. This gives ~25% speedup.
12:42:14Stummiyes, i thought. but maybe i forgot it or something went wrong. No idea, but now it works
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12:46:28amiconnwodz: Nice speedup, but the loop is still not optimal :)
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13:00:58literalcan some one commit FS #11358 so I can continue translating? :)
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13:35:53wodzdo I need update rbclient.pl as well when providing arm-elf-eabi tools?
13:36:21Topy44i just realized there already is an FFT plugin, but its currently not very useful and does not support line in
13:36:34wodzor is it just a matter of adding arm-eabi to the runclient.sh ?
13:36:37Topy44if this were to be expanded slightly it would be very useful
13:36:58gevaertswodz: rbclient.pl is auto-updated
13:37:24wodzok
13:37:44wodzkeyword for new tools is arm-eabi ?
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13:42:21AlexPwodz: See e.g. r26814 and r26815
13:43:26wodzI figured out (arm-eabi-gcc444)
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14:18:31JdGordongevaerts: you have (had?) a d2 right? have you thought at all about how it does the disk mounting?
14:19:03JdGordonor is that not close enough to the storage layer for you to worry about?
14:23:14pamauryJdGordon: I am the one who has the d2 now.
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14:26:40*JdGordon wonders if we can create a 1MB ram disk if rockbox is booted from internal storage so it has pretend write access, and it occasionally tries to write it to the sd card if it is present
14:27:37pamauryFor which purpose ?
14:30:38JdGordonbecause having internal storage in the file browser as <microSD1> is bloody wierd, and booting from internal apparently causes lots of write errors because it is read only
14:30:59JdGordonso I'm trying to hide the fact that internal storage isnt writeable without messing too much
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14:38:38amiconnJdGordon: Then make the internal storage writable...
14:39:13JdGordonI'm pretty confident mceueleuenr and shotofads are smarter than me and they havnt got it going...
14:40:02JdGordonI'm just thinking if we need to do a kludge to make it work my suggestion feels less messy for users than what is happening now
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14:46:31amiconnWell, the D2 is considered unstable for that reason (and maybe others). Imo we don't need a kludge; having one would even be bad, since it would reduce the pressure for a proper solution
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14:47:11giovanniHi all!
14:47:15mc2739bertrik: (logs) radio works on my e260v2 with mystery chip patch - my radio id is 1242 0850 - tested with r26857
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14:47:58giovanniI'm working on a theme for the ONDA VX777, but I need some ui elements
14:48:00giovanniwh
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14:48:20JdGordonamiconn: I agree, I guess the current kludge is to make it usable (without this rockbox is pretty useless)
14:48:29giovanniYou can see the theme called fulltouch in the themes page for ondas
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14:48:55JdGordonthe no write access is the FTL issue yeah? where we can write but cant do it in a way that lets the OF use it also?
14:48:58giovanniis there any place where i can find good png's for the ui?
14:49:36giovannithanks
14:49:57JdGordongoogle, deviantart?
14:50:07giovannihi jdgordon
14:50:18giovanniI haven't find really that much...
14:51:21giovanniabout touch screen devices, I've seeen that you are enabling touch features also for the sbs, right?
14:51:40JdGordonthat's the plan
14:52:28giovannigreat
14:53:21giovanniI would like also a new touch feature: go to the database
14:53:27giovannisorry for my english...
14:53:31n1sliteral: that patch doesn't apply cleanly
14:54:27n1s37 out of 38 hunks fail
14:55:26JdGordons/cleanly/at all/ :p
14:55:43literalhm
14:56:28n1sit seems to do a lot more than adding new strings
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14:58:03literalif so, then that's the web UI's doing
14:58:27literalI just added strings and clicked the "Finish translating" button :P
14:58:43n1sit seems to include some of the changes i did in 26584
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15:01:10n1sit should be an easy cleanup, i'll take a look
15:02:10literalok, cool
15:02:18n1sseems the checkout that the translation site had was not up to date
15:05:21*JdGordon found the usb detect pin on the d2 :)
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15:11:15pamauryJdGordon: how does rockbox detect usb insertion currently ?
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15:11:50JdGordonit doesnt... comment in the usb-cowond2.c file "don;t know how to detect usb"
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15:12:06JdGordonexcept usb_detect() always returns true so I need to see how to hook that up
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15:12:55JdGordonis there any chance usbtcc.c just works?
15:13:13*n1s doesn't really understand how the translation site could manage this
15:14:34pamauryJdGordon: not sure, perhaps gevaerts knows that, I can't remember. I'll probably have a look at it but only when I'm done with clip+ usb driver
15:14:34n1sit even includes changes from literal's earlier patch
15:14:55literalodd
15:15:10tkteunI have a problem with my iPod Video 5G 30GB...
15:15:14tkteun I've done some stuff to it, but now there's no audio. Although I the static level corresponds to the volume setting, there's absolutely no sound. I've tried the stable and current releases, no difference.
15:15:33JdGordonpamaury: cool :) I'm mostly more interested in gettting the bootloader to boot OF on usb untill rockbox usb works, and get it rebooting like other targets without usb
15:16:24tkteunCould I've broken audio with formatting the HD??
15:20:11n1stkteun: not really
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15:21:22koen_hi, I'm trying to compile rockbox, but I get the following error: /home/koen/rockbox/apps/action.c:26:18: error: lang.h: No such file or directory
15:21:32JdGordonyay! usb detect works... now to get it rebooting
15:21:54tkteunI thought it could be a hardware defect, but then I wouldn't be able to know the volume settings work
15:22:26JdGordongevaerts: any hints where that happens?
15:22:49tkteunI'll try installing iTunes :( to my PC and test it from the original firmware
15:23:01n1stkteun: does the audio work in the Original Firmware?
15:23:41n1sgah, this even adds in deprecated strings i had removed
15:23:55gevaertsJdGordon: can you quickly summarise?
15:24:03*gevaerts hasn't really been following
15:24:06tkteundon't know, no itunes (althought the apple button clicker works with the buit-in speaker)
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15:24:24JdGordond2 has no rockbox usb stack, so I want to reboot on connection. I have it now displaying the usb screen when it connects but not rebooting
15:24:42gevaertsah, ok
15:25:08gevaertsAre you actually sure you detect USB? IIRC the method we've been using detects power, which could also be from the charger
15:25:26gevaertsAnyway, IIRC reboot isn't implemented. I'm not sure if it's known how to do it
15:26:01gevaertsOur USB stack is a bit buggy, but it mostly works. Only it's a bit useless if you can't then write anyway
15:26:16JdGordonsystem_reboot() currently powers off, if we cant load the of I'll change crt0.S to boot usb if it is connected on boot
15:27:05JdGordonwatching the hw screen, GPIOC very obviously has a pin changing on usb connection.. weather its power or usb I dunno
15:27:06n1sliteral: there are a few strings that you haven't changed from english, is that intentional?
15:27:20literaln1s: hm, like what, for example?
15:27:48n1s"Advanced EQ Settings"
15:28:45literalI would consider that to be still untranslated
15:29:15pamauryJdGordon: it would be interesting to know if this pin is power or usb. If you can't check that, I should have a charger at home to check it
15:29:17JdGordonbooting the OF in the bootloader would be much nicer than in crt0.S...
15:29:30literaln1s: maybe the translation site just added it because it was missing from islenska.lang?
15:29:37JdGordonI'm sure i have a regular usb power plug here somewhere
15:30:14n1sliteral: the ones that are missing is what it should prompt you to translate
15:30:24JdGordon#define USB_HANDLED_BY_OF didnt work :(
15:30:49n1sthere seems to be quite a few of these unchanged from english, i'll delete them and if they were intentional, it's not much work to add them back
15:31:24literalsure
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15:32:20pamauryJdGordon: if we don't know how to reboot the d2, defining USB_HANDLED_BY_OF is unlikely to have any effect
15:32:44JdGordondo we know how to power_off()?
15:33:10JdGordonapparently yes, so I'd expect that to work
15:33:16JdGordonsystem_reboot() calls power_off()
15:33:22gevaertsJdGordon: the D2 has a separate power socket as well
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15:34:35pamauryI can't answer now, I don't have rockbox source code at hand. Are sou sure system_reboot is actually called ?
15:34:52JdGordonsame pin :(
15:35:01JdGordonbugger
15:35:47gevaertsAnyway, that's not really the issue. We do have a USB driver, so we can use the standard trick we use on e.g. released ipod builds, use the power detection as USB detect, and reboot if we get enumerated
15:35:54gevaertsThe problem is the "reboot" bit
15:37:14JdGordonwe don't store the OF in the same spot always do we?
15:38:01gevaerts?
15:39:30JdGordoncrt0.S boots the OF by jumping to its known address, which presumably changes with each bootloader build?
15:40:01JdGordoncould we set a magic in ram, reboot to our bootloader and check that magic value to see if we should boot of?
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15:43:58tkteunJust sat thru the 93.1MB of iTunes installation, just to find out the original firmware also doesn't produce any sound on playback
15:44:33tkteunBut it does produce an amount of static that's directly related to the volume setting
15:44:56tkteunanyone think I'm going to have to replace the headphone jack??
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16:03:56ranmatkteun: If you hear static affected by volume setting I'd think there is some problem with the i2s connection between cpu and codec (I seem to be having that problem on my Zaurus)
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16:35:20tkteun@ranma: Would this I2S connection be a software or hardware defect?
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17:28:18tkteunI just opened my iPod up, there's no visible reason there isn't any sound... The internal buzzer is also on the jack connector and it works, also there's no problem with the hold button
17:29:13tkteunIs it possible I broke the I2S support by formatting the HD??
17:29:34tkteunwhere can I see some debug information about the DAC??
17:31:52krazykitit's not possible to have broken i2s support by formatting the disk
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17:34:26gevaertsunless you formatted it with a chisel
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17:47:41tkteunone day it works fine... next day there's no sound
17:47:58tkteunarghh... All my technology dies on me
17:49:17tkteunthere's no physical connection problem, the processor detects unplugging my headphones
17:49:32tkteunI hear clicks on the speakers when resetting
17:49:39tkteunand volume related static
17:49:52tkteunbut no music
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18:08:30tkteunor what the ADC is doing?
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18:21:42bluebrotherpondlife: check utils/skinupdater
18:22:03n1snow lets see if this hand edited diff aplies
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18:22:28pondlifebluebrother: Thanks
18:22:34n1snop
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19:10:55AlexP_bertrik: Radio still works fine with the patch on the beast
19:11:08bertrikgreat
19:11:09AlexP_bertrik: Do you want any of the details from the debug menu?
19:11:27bertrikno, not needed
19:11:31AlexP_OK
19:11:57bertrikThe debug menu still shows some non-zero numbers, right?
19:12:47AlexP_For the SI4700 regs?
19:13:07bertrikyes
19:13:58AlexP_Yeah, it starts 1242 060E - there are some groups of 0000, but only a few (the entire last row for instance)
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19:15:09bertrikAlexP_, ok, still looks pretty normal then :)
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19:39:05bba1973I've got a playback issue with my v2 Fuze. Whenever I'm browsing around while music is playing, it will start skipping and making other weird unwanted noises.
19:39:13bba1973Has anyone else had this issue?
19:39:40bba1973Didn't see it in the wiki or on FS.
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20:16:53bertrikranma, could you test http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11403 for me on your clip+?
20:17:03bertrikand see if the radio still works
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20:29:19amiconnwodz: pong
20:29:33FlynDicebertrik: Anything special about ranma's clip+ or I could do it in about 10 mins when eabi toolchain is done installing in my laptop?
20:30:06bertrikFlynDice, I know his clip+ has a different radio chip than mine. Does your clip+ radio currently work?
20:30:38FlynDiceyes but I haven't updated for about a week
20:31:15bertrikCould you update to current SVN, apply the patch and see if the radio still works for you?
20:32:35bertrikWhat's I've done basically is enable dual-tuner support for the clip+ because it seems it can have two types of tuner chip inside. I'd like to know if the tuner chip is still auto-detected correctly.
20:32:37FlynDiceYes, I'm doing that now but I hav'nt installed the eabi toolchain on my laptop yet so that's happening now. Give me 10 mins and I should have some results
20:33:58CIA-6New commit by 03mcuelenaere (r26860): SDL target: remove mouse polling and replace it with an event-based mechanism, this makes touchscreen on the sim much smoother
20:34:40wodzamiconn: I played with test_grey and found out that there are some greylib shades that produce much more "noise". Is it normal?
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20:44:28amiconnwodz: It is normal, although the noise shouldn't be much of an issue on an LCD with such a high scan rate. Did you run the test boosted?
20:47:54wodzno but I thought it always runs boosted (define in grey_core.c)
20:48:59wodzamiconn: I mean that usually noise is not an issue but there are some particular shades which look very "sharp" and noisy
20:50:09amiconnyes
20:51:16amiconnI might find a better way of calculating the sequence (probably at the cost of some shades) for very fast displays (i.e. OLED - Sansa Clip)
20:51:42amiconnThis will require quite a bit of extra cpu power, and hence most probably not work on coldfire or portalplayer though
20:53:57FlynDicebertrik: Seems to work fine for clip+, I can try fuzev1 also
20:54:36bertrikNice, thanks. There's no need to test on the fuzev1.
20:54:51bertrikI think I'll commit this soon
20:55:14FlynDiceDo you need any register values from the FM radio HW debag page?
20:55:35FlynDiceer debug...
20:55:36bertrikyes, could you verify that the top-left number is 1242?
20:55:44FlynDiceyes it is
20:55:59bertrikgood, that's all, thanks!
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21:00:22bertrikmaybe I could make the FM tuner debug menu a little nicer before committing
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21:12:14AlexPI assume the DNS problems has been forgotten in the topic :)
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21:19:07bertrikdo we have some macro defined in rockbox to determine the number of elements in an array?
21:25:37pamauryany arm asm expert ? Does this sounds correct: http://pastebin.com/EzAi6uUG ?
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21:32:58Guest53954Does anyone have/know where to find the up-to-date list of recognized album art filenames?
21:33:19Guest53954folder.jpg, cover.jpg, etc...
21:34:39oboDoes anyone have any experience with identifying JTAG pinouts? The View has a 9 pin header (different to all other sansas?) - first how to confirm it is infact a JTAG, and second how to ID each pin?
21:37:38oboOh, I stumbled upon some very familiar PP-like registers in the android Tegra branch - I added them to the PortalPlayer wiki page. I'm not sure there isn't anything there which hasn't already been discovered via REing, but maybe worth a look.
21:38:01tmztobo: you working on zune HD?
21:38:15FlynDiceobo: I know ranma has hooked up a clip+ and a c200 to JTAG
21:38:25obotmzt: no, the Sansa View
21:38:39tmztah, just using the nvidia kernel as a reference
21:39:01AlexPGuest53954: http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-iaudiox5/rockbox-buildap2.html#x17-366000B.18
21:39:13oboFlynDice: sounds promising
21:40:34FlynDiceobo: He documented some here : http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaAMSJTAG
21:40:58Guest53954Perfect, thanks.
21:43:57oboFlynDice: it's a different (and unknown) pinout unfortunately
21:44:08Guest53954And am I correct in understanding that Rockbox does not currently use embedded ID3 album art?
21:44:24bluebrotherobo: this might be interesting (haven't watched the video yet): http://events.ccc.de/congress/2009/Fahrplan/events/3670.en.html
21:44:29JennifurGuest53954: indeed
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21:45:44bluebrotherobo: you can find the video linked here (search for the ID): http://events.ccc.de/congress/2009/wiki/Conference_Recordings
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21:51:10obobluebrother: I'd found that pdf before, but it only has once sentence about JTAG identification - which links to http://www.elinux.org/JTAG_Finder , but I don't have the hardware they use
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21:51:33obobut I haven't looked at the video yet...
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22:45:04katgHi, just wondering if anyone can help me install rockbox on a 4g ipod, iI keep getting Could not open Ipod: permission denied
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22:47:56katgalthough i'm trying the automatic way, maybe I should give the Manual way a try
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23:04:24AlexPkatg: On linux? If so use sudo/su
23:06:28katgAlexP: ah for the rockbox utility? i hadn't thought of that
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23:09:22katgAlexP: Thanks, all working now had gone through all the disk permissions, but forgot the application
23:09:45AlexPNo worries - bootloader installation needs raw disk access
23:10:06AlexPNo update the build in the future you don't need it
23:10:13Luca_Sbertrik: fuzev2 fm radio still works fine here :)
23:10:34AlexPer, to update
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23:11:31katgKwl, glad to finally get an ipod to try rockbox on, been wanting to try it since hearing about it years ago, but non of the players i had were supported
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23:16:11Luca_Swould it be impossible to release a new version of the VMware development environment, already configured for the eabi toolchain? I'm no expert, but I tried for a few hours and still can't build the compiler
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23:16:44AlexPLuca_S: Yes, someone just needs to do it
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23:29:33katgSorry probs a silly question, but can you only dual boot, or is it possible to just get rid of all the apple and only have rockbox?
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23:37:16bluebrotherkatg: the apple bootloader will always run. There is a way to load Rockbox directly (without the Rockbox bootloader), but this doesn't make much of a difference while booting and makes updating Rockbox harder.
23:37:21bluebrotherso it's not recommended.
23:38:18katgah kk, i'll leave it for the moment then.
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23:39:53katgStill don't really know if i'll keep it, it's just a small project to keep me busy
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23:50:40*amiconn got the somewhat crazy idea to use the emac in h1x0/M5/HD200 grey blitting
23:50:52amiconnThis requires special care, since it means using the emac in an isr
23:50:59BuckwheatDoes anybody know why the sansa fuze v2 unstable when everything says yes
23:51:07Buckwheatis unstable*
23:52:02BuckwheatAny body there?
23:52:45gevaertsBuckwheat: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaAMS#Specific_problems might give some hints
23:52:52bluebrotherBuckwheat: everything says yes? How does "yes" compare to "unstable"?
23:53:05BuckwheatOne second let me get a link
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23:54:05BuckwheatNever mind gavaerts awnsered it for me. Thank you gavaerts
23:54:14Luca_Swtf... i try to update config.guess and still no worky :/
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