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| 00:02:34 | Buckwheat | Well looking at the rockbox for fuze v2 it looks like it cant damage my player just lock it up until the battery is dead. Do you think i should try it and report any bugs? |
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| 00:06:51 | kisak | My Fuse V2 runs fine |
| 00:07:34 | Buckwheat | kisak: so would you reccomend it |
| 00:08:04 | kisak | Definately |
| 00:08:34 | Buckwheat | I tried it before but i didn't under stand the directions do you think you could help me with the install |
| 00:08:41 | Buckwheat | brb |
| 00:09:45 | Buckwheat | back |
| 00:10:14 | Buckwheat | kisak: >I tried it before but i didn't under stand the directions do you think you could help me with the install |
| 00:11:07 | kisak | All I can really do is recommend you use svn to install instead of 3.6 |
| 00:11:21 | kisak | so that you can use the 2.3.31 OF |
| 00:11:30 | Buckwheat | ok can you link me to the svn |
| 00:11:35 | Buckwheat | i know how to use it so |
| 00:13:14 | kisak | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/HowToCompile |
| 00:13:23 | Buckwheat | Ty |
| 00:13:58 | Buckwheat | So i have to do everything |
| 00:14:21 | kisak | not really, just get rbutil compiled |
| 00:15:10 | kisak | you can cheat and use the build server instead of setting up your own cross compiler |
| 00:15:21 | Buckwheat | Where do i get that (sorry total noob) |
| 00:16:20 | Buckwheat | Ill just try this and see what i get if not ill come back here |
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| 00:18:26 | Buckwheat | kisak: im getting an error about a bad link :P |
| 00:18:52 | kisak | oh? |
| 00:19:25 | Buckwheat | this is the svn link im using svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk rockbox |
| 00:19:45 | Buckwheat | nevermind i had a space at the end... |
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| 00:21:41 | ubuntu-nathan | Hi all! |
| 00:21:58 | Buckwheat | kisak: now im confused i have to set up cross compilers before i start |
| 00:22:05 | ubuntu-nathan | I'm a developer, that knows C/C++, Java, Pascal, Ruby and many others... |
| 00:22:14 | ubuntu-nathan | but I want to know what I need to develop for RockBox |
| 00:22:25 | ubuntu-nathan | (that I seen as a promising project) |
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| 00:22:38 | bertrik | C mostly, assembly is also a plus |
| 00:22:51 | ubuntu-nathan | ok, that I already know |
| 00:22:55 | ubuntu-nathan | but which tools? |
| 00:23:00 | Bagder | ubuntu-nathan: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/DocsIndex#For_Developers is a great start |
| 00:23:06 | ubuntu-nathan | ahh |
| 00:23:09 | ubuntu-nathan | thanks for the link |
| 00:23:11 | ubuntu-nathan | :) |
| 00:23:12 | Buckwheat | cool a pontential new dev person! |
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| 00:23:18 | kisak | Buckwheat: I'm not familular enough with rockbox to give you clear and concise answers |
| 00:23:41 | Buckwheat | kisak: can you just explain to me what you did |
| 00:23:43 | ubuntu-nathan | yeah, I'm a mobile passionated |
| 00:23:47 | ubuntu-nathan | and as I love Linux |
| 00:23:51 | ubuntu-nathan | I found RockBox |
| 00:23:53 | ubuntu-nathan | :D |
| 00:24:07 | ubuntu-nathan | that I can use on my iPod Video and turn it into something better |
| 00:24:09 | ubuntu-nathan | ;) |
| 00:24:13 | kisak | Buckwheat: but you should be able to go into the rbutil directory and compile it for your system without setting up a cross compilier |
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| 00:24:49 | Buckwheat | ok when the download is done ill get back to you |
| 00:24:52 | * | bertrik spots the text "RDA 5802 HERMON" in the clip+ diagnosis menu, could this be an id for the radio chip? (the radio identification register contains 0x5803) |
| 00:24:56 | Buckwheat | if it dosent work |
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| 00:25:07 | kisak | Buckwheat: I took the long route just to find that there was a bridge connecting the starting line to the 95% done mark |
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| 00:25:24 | Buckwheat | well its done now |
| 00:25:32 | Buckwheat | so lucky me ^^ |
| 00:26:08 | Buckwheat | kisak: now what do i do |
| 00:26:43 | kisak | Buckwheat: go into the rbutil folder |
| 00:26:52 | Buckwheat | k |
| 00:26:55 | ubuntu-nathan | hmm |
| 00:27:00 | ubuntu-nathan | as I'm already at Linux |
| 00:27:09 | Buckwheat | kisak: k im in |
| 00:27:16 | ubuntu-nathan | I just need to cross-compile my gcc src |
| 00:27:25 | ubuntu-nathan | but, that isn't a canadian cross? |
| 00:27:30 | ubuntu-nathan | yeah |
| 00:27:42 | ubuntu-nathan | the name of the article is wrong |
| 00:27:47 | kisak | Buckwheat: read the INSTALL file, which tells you to run qmake then make |
| 00:27:55 | Buckwheat | ok |
| 00:28:17 | ubuntu-nathan | it should be: "CanadianCross - Building the cross compiler (Linux/Cygwin)" |
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| 00:29:16 | bertrik | haha, I think I found the clip+ radio data sheet! |
| 00:30:02 | Buckwheat | bertrik: congrats |
| 00:30:05 | Buckwheat | ! |
| 00:30:21 | Buckwheat | kisak: what do i need to open the install file |
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| 00:30:37 | kisak | Buckwheat: any text editor |
| 00:30:48 | Buckwheat | in notepad its really confusing |
| 00:31:11 | kisak | Buckwheat: what OS are you on? |
| 00:31:17 | Buckwheat | win 7 |
| 00:31:26 | tmzt | try wordpad |
| 00:31:28 | kisak | well ... then use wordpad |
| 00:31:31 | Buckwheat | ok |
| 00:32:21 | Buckwheat | there we go! much better |
| 00:33:03 | * | domonoky points to http://www.alice-dsl.net/dominik.riebeling/rockbox/rbutil/ for svn rbutil binarys... |
| 00:35:52 | Buckwheat | still confused |
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| 00:38:46 | Buckwheat | kisak: still confused when it says run qmake when its no where in the folder |
| 00:39:04 | tmzt | you building the Qt version? |
| 00:39:21 | Buckwheat | not shure |
| 00:39:26 | tmzt | so you need the Qt SDK which includes qmake which needs to be in the path |
| 00:39:26 | Buckwheat | first time doing this |
| 00:39:40 | Buckwheat | so where do i get this qt sdk |
| 00:40:02 | kisak | I believe domonoky just pointed out a shortcut on the shortcut ... you can go grab qt 4.3 (or greater) if you don't have it and then grab a svn version of this from his site |
| 00:41:06 | Buckwheat | Which one is the qt 4.3 |
| 00:41:19 | Buckwheat | or should i just get the zip one |
| 00:42:32 | kisak | the zip should be for windows |
| 00:42:58 | Buckwheat | thats what i thought but i didnt know if you need some different codec for the others... |
| 00:43:27 | kisak | it should be a linux, mac, and windows varient |
| 00:43:43 | Buckwheat | i got an exe |
| 00:45:39 | Buckwheat | which mode does the palyer have to be in |
| 00:46:07 | Buckwheat | if i remeber isnt it msc |
| 00:49:04 | Buckwheat | well its downloading and my heart is pumping! I hope it works! |
| 00:49:44 | Buckwheat | if it works i will love you guys (no homo) |
| 00:50:24 | Buckwheat | now its saying firmware upgrade in progress is this normal |
| 00:50:50 | Buckwheat | Yes it worked how can i repay you guies |
| 00:50:55 | Buckwheat | guys* |
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| 01:03:43 | kisak | Buckwheat: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/ContributingToRockbox |
| 01:04:22 | Buckwheat | kisak: ty for the link |
| 01:07:46 | Buckwheat | is it possable to put rockbox on a micro sd card and use it when i plug it in? just wondering |
| 01:09:39 | kisak | I don't have a microsd card, so I haven't looked into it |
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| 01:14:07 | Buckwheat | kisak: ill try it after i eat and let you guys know |
| 01:14:09 | Buckwheat | brb |
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| 01:23:46 | riodeg242 | just installed rockbox on sansa e280. works like a charm. way faster then built-in firmware, easie to use and seems to sound better. you guys are awesome! |
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| 01:59:03 | Milardo2 | Hi, does anybody here know what additional info is needed for the meizu rockbox port? |
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| 02:02:19 | krazykit | most likely it needs more code |
| 02:03:11 | Milardo2 | anymore more specification information necessary though? |
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| 02:11:52 | Buckwheat | milardo2: try this link http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/MeizuM6Port |
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| 02:13:23 | Milardo2 | thanks i've been to there but i'm not quite sure what is needed though? |
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| 02:23:45 | bieber | If anyone wants to try out the config file editing in SVN Theme Editor, I'd love to hear comments on it |
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| 02:57:49 | Buckwheat | milardo2: sorry thats all i could find |
| 02:59:42 | Buckwheat | Well i better get my ass up and do something productive bye everybody. :P Buckwheat Out. |
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| 03:29:18 | * | Dhraakellian goes hunting around for clip+ firmware that can use for Rockbox installation |
| 03:29:31 | Dhraakellian | link on the sandisk forums doesn't appear to work |
| 03:32:20 | saratoga | works for me |
| 03:32:31 | saratoga | http://mp3support.sandisk.com/firmware/clipplus/clipplus01.02.15.zip |
| 03:36:07 | Dhraakellian | hmm |
| 03:36:59 | Dhraakellian | newer version of rbutil that supports 01.02.15? |
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| 03:42:47 | Dhraakellian | 1.2.6 says "[ERR] Original firmware unknown, please try an other version. Tested Clip+ versions are : 01.02.09" |
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| 04:01:58 | Dhraakellian | hmm... okaay, wget appears to be working, so nevermind |
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| 07:47:06 | Dhraakellian | getting used to the keymap on a new DAP, even running the same firmware, is a wee bit annoying |
| 07:47:16 | Dhraakellian | </random observation> |
| 07:49:48 | bluebroth3r | Dhraakellian: svn binaries of Rockbox Utility are at http://tinyurl.com/rbutil-dev if you need a newer mkamsboot |
| 07:51:11 | Dhraakellian | think I'm okay now |
| 07:51:26 | bluebroth3r | ok |
| 07:51:49 | Dhraakellian | still using 01.02.09 for the OF, but it got Rockbox installed which is the important part |
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| 07:52:20 | Dhraakellian | ...unless the newer mkamsboot would solve the perpetual reboot cycle when plugging in USB |
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| 07:57:47 | saratoga | which mkamsboot did you use? |
| 07:58:11 | Dhraakellian | whatever came with rbutil 1.2.6 from the downloads page |
| 07:59:21 | Dhraakellian | hmm |
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| 08:00:01 | Dhraakellian | no working battery indicator on the clip+? |
| 08:00:33 | Dhraakellian | (of course, I suppose the answer to that question is either "yes" or "fire up battery bench") |
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| 08:08:06 | CIA-6 | New commit by funman (r26866): FS #11402 by me : sd_enable for Sansa AMSv2 ... |
| 08:10:10 | CIA-6 | r26866 build result: All green |
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| 08:41:56 | bieber | Do we have a list somewhere of all the known keys in .cfg files? |
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| 08:45:10 | mitk | bieber: http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-vibe500/rockbox-buildap3.html#x18-383000C |
| 08:46:01 | bieber | Thanks |
| 08:48:40 | bieber | And on a related note, anyone know a bash one-liner to trim every second and third line of text from a file? i.e. keep lines 1, 4, 7, etc. |
| 08:53:17 | CIA-6 | New commit by bertrik (r26867): FM clip+ radio: enable stereo indication |
| 08:55:01 | CIA-6 | r26867 build result: All green |
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| 09:11:17 | mitk | bieber: cat file.txt | sed 'n;d;d;' should do it |
| 09:11:24 | bieber | Thanks again |
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| 10:14:58 | funman | someone but ucchan has looked in text_viewer code? |
| 10:15:02 | funman | it looks like java |
| 10:15:28 | funman | i think the problem is not that it crashes when built with eabi, but that it ran when built with the old compiler |
| 10:15:35 | S_a_i_n_t | I think ucchan has all but completely rewritten the text viewer. |
| 10:16:24 | S_a_i_n_t | funman: text viewer crashes when built with eabi? |
| 10:16:27 | funman | i have started to make some patches but i should rather tell him about the problems i've seen because i have missed some |
| 10:19:18 | funman | where is the main stack size defined? |
| 10:20:14 | funman | i suppose DEFAULT_STACK_SIZE |
| 10:22:45 | JdGordon | kernel.h probabbly |
| 10:22:50 | JdGordon | 0x400 iirc |
| 10:23:05 | funman | thread.h and yes it's 0x400 but doubling it still makes text_viewer crash |
| 10:24:55 | S_a_i_n_t | Is this a specific target, or is there some requirement to get text viewer to crash? (working on Nano 1/2G) |
| 10:25:08 | S_a_i_n_t | DO I need to svn up? ( a few days old now) |
| 10:29:49 | funman | S_a_i_n_t: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=25070.0 (you ALWAYS need to svn up! |
| 10:29:54 | amiconn | Default stack should be 8K, i.e. 0x2000 |
| 10:30:03 | amiconn | Err, that's main stack |
| 10:30:09 | amiconn | :confuzzled: |
| 10:30:24 | amiconn | But plugins do use the main stack |
| 10:30:59 | funman | ah it's defined in the .lds |
| 10:31:53 | amiconn | Yep |
| 10:32:55 | S_a_i_n_t | that says r26384, I'm using r26690 without problem in the text viewer. |
| 10:33:21 | funman | i reproduce the crash on clipv2 |
| 10:33:37 | S_a_i_n_t | Hmmm, can't do it on the Nanos |
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| 10:37:01 | funman | crash is in solidblock() called from lcd_bitmap_part() |
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| 10:46:06 | funman | itself coming from lcd_putsxyofs() .. |
| 10:48:31 | funman | itself coming from lcd_putsxyofs_style() .. |
| 10:50:06 | funman | itself coming from lcd_putsxyofs_style_offset() .. |
| 10:50:30 | funman | s/xyofs// |
| 10:52:22 | funman | itself coming from lcd_puts (soon back in text_viewer) |
| 10:52:43 | JdGordon | don't you love the lcd api? :) |
| 10:53:34 | funman | no problem but i wouldn't mind a backtrace() in UIE() |
| 10:54:05 | funman | (now in lcd_putsf()) |
| 10:55:09 | wodz | amiconn: I implemented simple linear interpolation in test_grey so it printout lcdlinear matrix values - want to see patch? |
| 10:55:53 | funman | err.. i'm recording the address call from UIE() .. |
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| 11:12:49 | CIA-6 | New commit by wodz (r26869): Add interpolation so output file contains lcdlinear[] matrix dump |
| 11:13:30 | wodz | hmm commit message could have been more verbose :-/ |
| 11:14:48 | CIA-6 | r26869 build result: All green |
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| 11:16:03 | funman | you can change log message with svn prop |
| 11:16:27 | pyro_maniac_ | funman: have you tested eabi on samsung yh devices? |
| 11:16:35 | funman | pyro_maniac_: i dont have yh920 anymore |
| 11:16:58 | pyro_maniac_ | i tested yesterday and it worked |
| 11:17:17 | funman | cool :) have you tested the text viewer too? |
| 11:17:30 | pyro_maniac_ | only boot and play music |
| 11:17:45 | pyro_maniac_ | but if you want, i will do tonight |
| 11:18:31 | pixelma | hmm... there is a Clip+ manual but I haven't seen a specific handling for the slightly differing keymap (which I believe it has) for the manuals yet |
| 11:19:36 | wodz | pixelma: how is test on Your Ondio going? |
| 11:19:46 | funman | pixelma: the only difference is softhold afaik |
| 11:20:22 | pixelma | funman: doesn't that need some slight changes elsewhere? |
| 11:20:36 | funman | no it's in the manual already |
| 11:20:54 | funman | but quickscreen is different between clip+ & other clips, IMO it should be the same for all |
| 11:21:46 | funman | i think dfkt started looking at clip keymap |
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| 11:24:13 | funman | text_viewer crashes on all the sansa i have (clip* fuze* c200v2) |
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| 11:27:15 | S_a_i_n_t | Hmmm, in that case I almost wish I could say it crashes on Nano 1/2G also, but it doesn't. |
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| 11:34:11 | simonrvn | ah so i'm not the only one that's seeing that |
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| 11:50:22 | JdGordon | bieber: I like how the tree follows the cursor, but is it possible to have the tree selection follow it also? |
| 11:50:41 | JdGordon | instead of just expanding the tree to the tag, it actually gets selected? |
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| 12:55:18 | dfkt | funman, i only looked at the recording and radio keymap... for the audio player interface only the quicklist and keylock should be reverted to how it already was - the rest is fine. all the people in the ABI thread say the same. :) |
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| 13:41:35 | pondlife | The Pen&Paper theme on http://themes.rockbox.org/oldsite/www/index.php?target=iriverh300 didn't get upgraded to the new format, although it ran through skinupdater fine here. |
| 13:42:14 | pondlife | Should I re-upload (i.e. as a new theme), or can it be retransferred preserving stats? |
| 13:43:35 | JdGordon | up[load manually is the fastest optoin |
| 13:43:43 | S_a_i_n_t | pondlife: Just make a note of it here, I assume what's already been said is sufficient. |
| 13:43:45 | JdGordon | ask S_a_i_n_t about trying to get it uploaded so it preserves stats :) |
| 13:44:21 | S_a_i_n_t | Hey! it's not my fault people are slackers! |
| 13:45:11 | * | S_a_i_n_t checks the tmemesite...and yes, people are still slackers :) |
| 13:45:18 | pondlife | hehe |
| 13:45:22 | S_a_i_n_t | Ahem "themesite" |
| 13:45:43 | pondlife | "Slacker work needed" |
| 13:45:46 | JdGordon | not the memesite? |
| 13:46:18 | S_a_i_n_t | pondlife: If you notice any others, make a list. It may help in my crusade also ;) |
| 13:46:28 | S_a_i_n_t | (one of my themes got ignored also) |
| 13:46:36 | JdGordon | thats because we dont like you :D |
| 13:46:45 | S_a_i_n_t | *actually two, but the other was a beta of the one I actually care about. |
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| 13:56:37 | S_a_i_n_t | Anyone want a laugh and a half of full cream fail? |
| 13:56:49 | S_a_i_n_t | try http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?themeid=22&target=sansafuze through the skinupdater... |
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| 14:17:44 | giovanni | Hi there |
| 14:18:39 | giovanni | could FS #10806 patch be committed for the touch screen devices? |
| 14:20:33 | giovanni | This is because of the absolute mode |
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| 14:21:53 | S_a_i_n_t | giovanni: Based on the comments on the tracker...not at this stage. |
| 14:23:00 | giovanni | ok, but at the moment, yes&no screen is not usable |
| 14:23:34 | giovanni | this is an improvement for the touch interface to be considered important |
| 14:23:42 | giovanni | in my opinion |
| 14:23:49 | S_a_i_n_t | that may be true...but according to the comments on the tracker it's in no shape to be commited. |
| 14:24:08 | S_a_i_n_t | If you want it in your build, feel free to apply the patch to source and compile it. |
| 14:24:52 | S_a_i_n_t | It hasn't seen any attention since late '09, but it *may* still apply cleanly. |
| 14:26:11 | giovanni | right, this is a workaround i use on every update |
| 14:26:51 | giovanni | and yes, it is frozen from december, this is why I'm writing here |
| 14:29:10 | S_a_i_n_t | The thing is, just because a solution is available, it doesn't make it the right solution. |
| 14:30:01 | giovanni | I understand |
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| 14:30:59 | giovanni | but I am not a good coder, so I can't do nothing really but asking |
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| 14:36:35 | S_a_i_n_t | JdGordon: Any idea why "%X(backdrop.bmp)0%|0%|" would pass checkwps? |
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| 14:37:05 | S_a_i_n_t | (according to topik it doesn't work on target, which doesn't surprise me) |
| 14:37:55 | S_a_i_n_t | I removed the "0%|0%|", and she's a goer. But theme themesite says "works with current build" |
| 14:54:55 | JdGordon | because checkwps is stupid :p |
| 14:55:39 | pondlife | S_a_i_n_t: Do you have a wiki page or similar where non-converted themes are listed? Maybe on the SkinBreakingChange page? |
| 14:58:51 | S_a_i_n_t | pondlife: Unfortunately, no. Normally I'd say that because of the temporary nature of the info that it doesn't really belong on the wiki, but may attempts to get my own theme replaced may void that comment :P |
| 14:59:10 | S_a_i_n_t | Perhaps the forum? though, I'm not sure that's really the right place either. |
| 14:59:23 | S_a_i_n_t | s/may/my/ |
| 14:59:40 | pondlife | I'd think the wiki ideal - anyone can update it and it will be removed as and when resolved? Or maybe Flyspray? |
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| 15:00:31 | S_a_i_n_t | Well, with those things in mind (update, etc.) IRC is ideal. |
| 15:00:48 | S_a_i_n_t | it's logged, it's just that the right person needs to see it. |
| 15:01:09 | S_a_i_n_t | (one of three people I believe, assuming they're motivtaed/available at the time) |
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| 15:02:24 | JdGordon | S_a_i_n_t: maybe shoot an email to scorche asking for the required access? if it is only a matter of coping zips you might even get it |
| 15:02:36 | S_a_i_n_t | domonoky was really interested in a list of themes that failed the update, but Ihaven't managed to catch him online since the update script was run. |
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| 15:02:45 | JdGordon | otherwise need to give up and reset those themes |
| 15:03:30 | S_a_i_n_t | it's not really the dl count that bothers me...its my 50 something votes ;) |
| 15:03:48 | S_a_i_n_t | but yes, I see your point. |
| 15:05:23 | S_a_i_n_t | but, if checkwps has "hidden" the theme...can I still resubmit it? |
| 15:05:53 | JdGordon | dunno |
| 15:05:57 | S_a_i_n_t | or, would it count as being added again, and can't have the same name as it had originally? |
| 15:06:17 | S_a_i_n_t | these are thoughts which have prevented me doing so thus far. |
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| 15:15:38 | wodz | shouldn't FS #10430 be closed as we switched to arm-eabi (at least for some targets) |
| 15:15:40 | wodz | ? |
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| 16:02:04 | amiconn | wodz: The greyscale mapping isn't simple linear interpolation, at least not for the screens I calibtared |
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| 16:20:20 | wodz | amiconn: From test_grey You have 16 values, lcdlinear has 256 elements. How do You get values between calibrated? (linear interpolation?) If so my change do just that |
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| 16:36:15 | amiconn | wodz: I used b-spline interpolation (using an openoffice calc graph) |
| 16:36:55 | amiconn | Sometimes hand-adjusting obvious errors in the table beforehand |
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| 17:25:44 | Buckwheat | What do you people think about a flash emulator for rockbox? |
| 17:25:55 | S_a_i_n_t | hahahah! |
| 17:26:01 | Buckwheat | Whats funny |
| 17:26:09 | S_a_i_n_t | Flash is evil. |
| 17:26:27 | Buckwheat | Some of the games are fun. |
| 17:26:50 | B4gder | Buckwheat: go ahead and make one! |
| 17:27:28 | Buckwheat | I'm just asking what people would think so i could contact some one who could do it |
| 17:27:58 | B4gder | it's a massive job |
| 17:28:13 | Galois | Apple is a 250 billion dollar company. They can't get flash to run well on iphones, which are much more powerful than most rockbox hardware |
| 17:28:34 | Buckwheat | True, true... |
| 17:28:55 | Buckwheat | What if the rockbox community wrote there own program to run flash? |
| 17:29:18 | Galois | it would take a Linux kernel sized effort to outdo Apple |
| 17:29:26 | B4gder | if we thought it was a great idea, we'd already be working on it ;-) |
| 17:29:49 | B4gder | but I figure you could start working on a gnash or something port |
| 17:29:55 | Buckwheat | Well true but i was just wondering if there was any talk about it. |
| 17:30:11 | B4gder | it's a massive job (/me repeats myself to make it clear) |
| 17:30:17 | S_a_i_n_t | There's definitely been talk... |
| 17:30:31 | Buckwheat | Thats the problem im limited in my programming. |
| 17:30:43 | Buckwheat | and i havent done anything for rockbox yet |
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| 17:32:04 | simonrvn | i'd rather see an html parser than some flash "runner". i really dislike flash. |
| 17:32:18 | Buckwheat | Ive been looking at the todo list in the sight and i don't see anthing about flash |
| 17:32:37 | Torne | todo list? |
| 17:32:58 | Buckwheat | Wait nevermind worong thing i was looking at the rockboy plugin... |
| 17:35:51 | Buckwheat | Another idea for a plug-in is a battery drainer so you can drain your battery when you want to charge it so you dont get battery memory. |
| 17:36:09 | Buckwheat | My last player died because of that |
| 17:36:12 | Torne | The memory effect is largely mythical or caused by a misunderstanding of battery technology |
| 17:36:22 | Buckwheat | Oh? |
| 17:36:25 | Torne | And it just plain doesn't exist for lithium ion/polymer batteries, which all players now use |
| 17:36:34 | Torne | so unless you have a *very* old player with a NiMH cell.. |
| 17:36:46 | Buckwheat | Than why did mine die? Could i resurect it? |
| 17:36:48 | Torne | LiIon/Poly batteries last longest if you recharge them often |
| 17:36:55 | Buckwheat | it was only a year old. |
| 17:36:59 | Torne | i.e. plug them in whenever you get a chance |
| 17:37:10 | Torne | recharging them from a deeper discharge kills them faster. |
| 17:37:41 | Buckwheat | So every day when im on the comp plug in my mp3 |
| 17:37:45 | Buckwheat | ? |
| 17:37:51 | Torne | *shrug* It doesn't make a huge difference either way |
| 17:37:57 | Torne | plug it in whenever it's convenient for you |
| 17:38:00 | Buckwheat | ok |
| 17:38:11 | Torne | the battery will die when it's too old |
| 17:38:17 | Torne | more or less regardless of what you do with it :0 |
| 17:38:23 | Buckwheat | I don't do much other than sit at the computer for most of the day. |
| 17:38:34 | Buckwheat | At night i do alot of different things |
| 17:38:48 | Torne | if you're using it while sitting next to a power supply you might as well leave it plugged in |
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| 17:39:01 | Buckwheat | Ok thank you for clearing that up |
| 17:39:20 | Buckwheat | Well what about cell phone batteries |
| 17:41:12 | Torne | All lithium ion or lithium polymer batteries are the same |
| 17:41:21 | Torne | Nothing made in the last decade or more uses anything else |
| 17:42:24 | Buckwheat | Ok than can you explain why my grandpa's cell phone died because he plugged it in everyday when he got home? ( 2 year cell phone) |
| 17:43:35 | S_a_i_n_t | maybe try #whydidmygrandpasphonedie |
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| 17:43:40 | Torne | because lithium ion/polymer batteries have a limited lifespan and don't hold a charge well after a couple of years, no matter what you do with them |
| 17:43:44 | Torne | and yes, this is offtopic |
| 17:44:12 | Buckwheat | Oh ya this is off topic sorry S_a_i_n_t |
| 17:44:24 | Buckwheat | thank you Trone. ^^ |
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| 18:15:07 | Buckwheat | >Any body here know how to boot the sansa fuze v2 in the original firmware? |
| 18:15:18 | Buckwheat | Another question is how do you get the pacbox working |
| 18:15:37 | Torne | read the manual |
| 18:15:39 | Torne | to both questions |
| 18:16:06 | Buckwheat | i did but i cant find it |
| 18:16:21 | Buckwheat | for the pacbox when i download it gives me a zip file with nothing in it |
| 18:16:45 | Buckwheat | Im getting it from here http://www.beemulated.net/arcade/multi.phtml |
| 18:17:17 | S_a_i_n_t | SOOOOOO offtopic. |
| 18:17:17 | Torne | We can't help you with that, because you are downloading it illegally ;) |
| 18:17:32 | S_a_i_n_t | noone here will help you with ROMS, well...obtaining them. |
| 18:17:34 | Torne | (to get a pacman rom legitimately you need to buy a pacman arcade board and dump the roms) |
| 18:17:43 | Buckwheat | No its on the rockbox websight to get it |
| 18:17:51 | Torne | Where? |
| 18:17:57 | Torne | (it shouldn't be, because it's illegal) |
| 18:18:00 | Buckwheat | http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-sansafuzev2/rockbox-buildch11.html#tailrockbox-buildch11.html |
| 18:18:05 | Buckwheat | look down there a bit |
| 18:18:23 | Buckwheat | then it links you to a sight to download the game |
| 18:18:28 | Torne | No it doesn't. |
| 18:18:51 | Torne | It links you to the author of the emulator, who doesn't host a copy of the game because that's illegal, and to MAME, who don't host a copy of the game because that's illegal :) |
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| 18:19:11 | Buckwheat | Ooooh... I guess i mis understood |
| 18:19:25 | Buckwheat | Ty for clearing that up! ^^ |
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| 18:47:37 | flan_suse | For the picture flow plugin in Rockbox, where does it read the covert art from? within the id3? or from a separate .jpg file? |
| 18:48:07 | AlexP | seperate |
| 18:48:16 | AlexP | same as the album art |
| 18:48:38 | flan_suse | AlexP, so a file in the same directory as the song? |
| 18:49:01 | AlexP | flan_suse: See Album Art in the manual for the gory details |
| 18:49:17 | AlexP | The entry for Pictureflow will also be useful to you |
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| 18:49:52 | flan_suse | I'm using Banshee, which fetches and displays the album artwork, but they are stored in an external folder. But somehow, the display the album art even when I plug in my Rockbox device (shows album art properly in Banshee when the Rockbox library is selected.) |
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| 18:49:57 | flan_suse | Roger. |
| 18:50:13 | TheSeven | btw is there any particular reason why we don't use id3 albumart? |
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| 18:50:41 | AlexP | flan_suse: First get album artwork working in Rockbox, then the database, then pictureflow will just work :) |
| 18:50:47 | flan_suse | It is kind of confusing when everyone is managing album artwork in a different way. |
| 18:50:52 | AlexP | TheSeven: Because it is an abomination? :) |
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| 18:51:14 | TheSeven | well, is there any technical reason for that? |
| 18:51:15 | AlexP | flan_suse: We support a few ways, including that used by e.g. WMP |
| 18:51:29 | AlexP | TheSeven: Dunno :) |
| 18:51:39 | flan_suse | WMP, no comment. ;) |
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| 18:52:21 | TheSeven | IIRC ID3 AA is basically a JPEG or PNG picture embedded in the tag |
| 18:52:33 | AlexP | flan_suse: sure, but given it is just folder.jpg in the directory, and lots of people use it... |
| 18:52:43 | ranma | bertrik: Oh, I see you have test results already, I was just about to compile :) |
| 18:52:55 | Torne | TheSeven: it's encoded in a slightly nontrivial way, but yes |
| 18:53:03 | Torne | TheSeven: nobody has done the work to support it |
| 18:53:06 | Torne | that's more or less it. |
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| 18:53:35 | TheSeven | Torne: you mean the desyncing thing? |
| 18:53:57 | Torne | i forget all the details, i think it's also broken up into chunks? |
| 18:53:58 | TheSeven | IIRC there is some notable difference between ID3v2.3 and ID3v2.4 with that :-/ |
| 18:54:23 | flan_suse | AlexP, I cannot find anything about Album Art in the .pdf manual for my device. |
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| 18:54:34 | AlexP | flan_suse: which device? |
| 18:54:41 | flan_suse | Sansa Clip+ |
| 18:54:50 | AlexP | oh right |
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| 18:55:05 | AlexP | clip+ might not have it |
| 18:55:07 | flan_suse | I know "unstable" but it's been working better than the original firmware, and I mean that seriously. |
| 18:55:32 | AlexP | just look at a different manual, the placement of files should be the same |
| 18:55:40 | flan_suse | AlexP, but Clip+ has the picture flow plugin, and it shows the album art boxes as I scroll through them. But they all have a Question Mark, no actual pictures. |
| 18:55:55 | flan_suse | AlexP, and no folders have folder.jpg within them. |
| 18:56:06 | AlexP | flan_suse: Yeah, I meant I think it might not do album art, but it does do pictureflow |
| 18:56:27 | Torne | indeed, clip doesn't support album art :) |
| 18:56:29 | AlexP | flan_suse: Yeah, have a look at a different manual to see where the album art can go, then rebuild the pictureflow cache |
| 18:56:40 | flan_suse | AlexP, technically, if I place a picture called folder.jpg into on of the folders, it should display it? |
| 18:56:42 | Torne | yes |
| 18:56:43 | Torne | pictureflow has its own code to find album art |
| 18:56:50 | flan_suse | Okay, trying another .pdf guide. |
| 18:56:55 | Torne | clip doesn't have the *core* code to load/display album art in the while playing screen. |
| 18:57:06 | AlexP | Torne: I think it uses the same placement options as AA though |
| 18:57:06 | TheSeven | Torne: seems to be just one big non-desynced blob |
| 18:57:07 | Torne | but pictureflow always supports art, because otherwise ti would be pointless :) |
| 18:57:11 | Torne | AlexP: yes |
| 18:57:16 | bertrik | We could do a statically rendered album art image theoretically, right? |
| 18:57:35 | Torne | bertrik: only in mono |
| 18:57:37 | Torne | but yes |
| 18:58:50 | Torne | TheSeven: anyway, yeah. it's probably not super duper hard. if someone came up with an implementation that wasn't sucky i'm sure it could go in :) |
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| 18:59:18 | AlexP | flan_suse: Normally the pictureflow section points at album art to show you where to put things, for clip it should have it in its own right |
| 18:59:28 | AlexP | Something for us to fix :) |
| 18:59:32 | TheSeven | should that maybe be put on mr. someone's todo list to encourage someone to actually do it? |
| 18:59:41 | flan_suse | AlexP, I just read it in another .pdf guide, and I understand it better now, but it seems I would have to do this manually, since not all music software uses external files for album art, and even if they do, they use a different naming scheme. |
| 18:59:45 | TheSeven | (people may think that it is an unspoken nodo for some reason) |
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| 19:00:02 | Torne | TheSeven: No, Mr Someone's todo list is for stuff that people generally want :) |
| 19:00:08 | AlexP | indeed |
| 19:00:16 | TheSeven | well, isn't this stuff that people generally want? |
| 19:00:17 | Torne | TheSeven: i think we're a long way from general agreement that embedded album art is something we must have |
| 19:00:23 | Torne | by people i mean developers |
| 19:00:23 | Torne | :) |
| 19:00:29 | Torne | users aren't people |
| 19:00:41 | TheSeven | and must have != like to have of course |
| 19:01:08 | flan_suse | My music has embedded album art, so whenever the song is transferred to a device, or back to the computer, the album art goes with it, automatically. |
| 19:01:09 | AlexP | If someone wants to do it OK, but I don't think it is a want to have necessarily :) |
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| 19:01:39 | ranma | bertrik: Anyway, seems to work fine on this Clip+ too |
| 19:01:40 | saratoga | TheSeven: Unhelpful looked into doing embedded album art when he added support for JPEG |
| 19:01:56 | saratoga | he concluded that it would be fairly difficult to do cleanly and let it drop |
| 19:01:57 | bertrik | ranma, cool, thanks for testing |
| 19:02:04 | flan_suse | ranma, you're using the folder.jpg method? |
| 19:02:07 | saratoga | but i think there was agreement that it would be ok to have provided a clean solution could be found |
| 19:02:14 | flan_suse | ranma, I have a Clip+ as well. |
| 19:02:17 | TheSeven | another thing i'm still wondering about, is what to do about the nano2g bootloader mess |
| 19:02:22 | ranma | flan_suse: No, I was testing the radio |
| 19:02:28 | AlexP | flan_suse: He isn't talking about pictureflow :) |
| 19:02:34 | flan_suse | AlexP, goti t. |
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| 19:03:28 | AlexP | but anyway, album art support in ID3 would be fine IMO, someone just needs to do it :) |
| 19:04:04 | TheSeven | are there criteria that code needs to fulfill to go into rockbox svn, if it's rockbox-related third-party code? |
| 19:04:08 | Torne | saratoga: yah, we brought it up briefly at devcon iirc and we agreed it was another thing on the list of "if someone does it, and does it right, we'll take it, but none of *us* are in a hurry" :) |
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| 19:04:49 | saratoga | TheSeven: i don't think so, at least not beyond basic licensing |
| 19:04:50 | flan_suse | It would make album art more universal across software and OSes. |
| 19:05:05 | TheSeven | ...and maybe code quality |
| 19:05:28 | TheSeven | if we want to finally resolve that bootloader problem, we'll need to import nandfsck somehow |
| 19:05:53 | Torne | flan_suse: folder.jpg works on basically everything else, though, at this point :) |
| 19:06:08 | Torne | flan_suse: *one* of the schemes we use generally works on any desktop media player anyone uses.. |
| 19:06:22 | Torne | we can't support an infinite number of them because it takes time to check for the files |
| 19:07:36 | bertrik | TheSeven, IMO one thing we shouldn't do is basically duplicate code from other archives, but I'd like to hear the opinion of other devs too |
| 19:07:36 | flan_suse | Torne, but if it were read from the tag, then there would be no need to worry about the different naming/folder schemes each player uses, right? |
| 19:07:53 | AlexP | Sure there would |
| 19:07:59 | AlexP | I don't want images in my tags |
| 19:08:01 | bieber | JdGordon: I can't imagine why not, I'll give it a try |
| 19:08:22 | AlexP | flan_suse: Nor do many others, so we still need to look for them in commonly used external schemes |
| 19:08:25 | Torne | flan_suse: Lots of players don't support tags.. |
| 19:08:28 | TheSeven | bertrik: it isn't hosted properly right now (just in my personal svn) |
| 19:08:32 | Torne | and lots of people don't have or want tags in the files |
| 19:08:42 | Torne | (why on earth would you want 20 copies of the album art for every album?) |
| 19:08:55 | TheSeven | and another thing is if we should install the rockbox bootloader to nor or add another level of indirection |
| 19:09:09 | flan_suse | True. |
| 19:09:25 | flan_suse | Looks like cover.jpg works too (in the same directory). |
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| 19:11:52 | TheSeven | and another question would be if we want to use norloader or not. |
| 19:13:12 | TheSeven | using it adds a blue splashscreen and some delay, but reduces the bricking risk |
| 19:13:17 | saratoga | i'm trying to figure out how to adjust the 0dB point on the AMS sansas for volume |
| 19:13:48 | saratoga | i could just do 'vol +=6;' in audiohw_set_master_vol, but that seems ugly |
| 19:13:56 | saratoga | is there somewhere in rockbox where this is all defined? |
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| 19:14:20 | TheSeven | saratoga: have you had a look in the target's config.h? |
| 19:14:29 | TheSeven | at least some similar things are defined there |
| 19:15:06 | TheSeven | er, i mean config/<target>.h |
| 19:15:37 | saratoga | doesn't look like it |
| 19:16:08 | saratoga | basically the problem i have now is that +6dB should really be 0dB, and the volume should go up to +12 dB (which would become the new +6dB) |
| 19:17:56 | saratoga | ah tenthdb2master |
| 19:19:03 | flan_suse | Just an update from before: I got Banshee (1.6.1) to auto-copy cover.jpg into my Sansa Clip+, so now the Picture Flow works. If my device had an Album Art feature as well (for browsing) I'm sure that would work as well. So, looks like this works with Banshee without needing to use id3 tags for the artwork. |
| 19:19:16 | AlexP | cool |
| 19:19:20 | flan_suse | (Each folder has a cover.jpg file within.) |
| 19:25:12 | flan_suse | Sweet. |
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| 19:25:48 | flan_suse | I never though I would see the day where the tiny single-color screen of this Sansa Clip+ could play games and do a cover flow. |
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| 19:27:09 | rob | the clip + has cover flow? |
| 19:29:57 | bertrik | yes, but we call it picture flow |
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| 19:50:43 | framo | Today I have received my 32 GB microSD card and it works well in my Clip+ with Rockbox :) |
| 19:51:48 | bertrik | great, don't know if a card that big has ever been tested :) |
| 19:53:08 | framo | I heared that microSD is forward compatible with the new XD standard (as long as it's formatted FAT32 and while the standard is not upgraded to the new faster speed) |
| 19:54:01 | framo | Would be interesting to know whether a 64GB XD card might work in the Sansa once it comes out. |
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| 19:56:45 | dfkt | framo, how is the database rebuild time the OF uses? ;) (in other words, can't wait until RB takes over USB connections) |
| 19:57:38 | saratoga | dfkt: i think i've got the volume issue mostly worked out |
| 19:58:03 | saratoga | although i've done something wrong since +6dB is really quiet, although +5dB is very louad |
| 19:58:06 | saratoga | loud |
| 19:58:50 | saratoga | Timar actually emailed me a couple days ago explaining why my patch didn't work correctly, but for whatever reason didn't mention it on FS and i didn't have a time to look into it |
| 19:59:25 | framo | dfkt the OF takes ages to update the database. It's been running for about 5 minutes, and I only filled the card with 20 GB. |
| 19:59:37 | saratoga | as what the heck, I changed VOLUMEMIN but it the menus still display the old min volume |
| 19:59:57 | saratoga | where is the volume range for the rockbox menus actually located |
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| 20:02:45 | dfkt | saratoga, the rmaa i posted today was made at 0db for all variants.. i thought it wasn't overly useful to test +6db as well |
| 20:03:32 | saratoga | its probably not too important to test until we have a patch that looks like its ready to commit |
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| 20:03:52 | saratoga | since we'll probably just change everything anyway :) |
| 20:04:25 | dfkt | heh... any idea about the weird crosstalk beahvior, compared to the flat OF one? |
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| 20:05:00 | saratoga | no i'm not sure what that is |
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| 20:05:25 | saratoga | the OF must being something differently though since the distortion is a little different too |
| 20:05:39 | bertrik | didn't we set some kind of "low power" mode on the codec? |
| 20:06:25 | saratoga | yeah |
| 20:06:41 | saratoga | the settings are mostly just copied from the AMSv1 players, which don't have exactly the same chip |
| 20:08:21 | bertrik | also I think the codec allows to set some amplifier bias currents, which I suppose have some effect on distortion |
| 20:08:25 | saratoga | theres a bunch of analog settings that can be changed |
| 20:08:27 | saratoga | yeah |
| 20:08:36 | saratoga | also theres settings like "0: mixer and headphone stage in low power mode 1: mixer and headphone stage in high quality mode" |
| 20:08:47 | saratoga | without really saying whats different about high and low quality modes :) |
| 20:09:05 | saratoga | "1: 150%, increased bisas for lower noise and THD" |
| 20:09:06 | saratoga | oh |
| 20:09:12 | saratoga | well that sounds like it might be useful |
| 20:09:17 | bertrik | I guess low power = low quality, and high quality = high power |
| 20:09:42 | saratoga | yeah but whats it actually changing? |
| 20:09:55 | bertrik | I guess the bias currents too |
| 20:10:11 | saratoga | err it looks like we don't set the HP_BIAS current? |
| 20:10:41 | saratoga | i thought i turned that on a while ago |
| 20:11:03 | dfkt | i got a patch from markun that sets some bias... |
| 20:11:20 | dfkt | and it had positive effect on higher impedance phones, but none for 16 ohm |
| 20:14:45 | saratoga | give me a sec, i'll make you a build that'll be worth testing |
| 20:15:00 | dfkt | markun gave me that to test: http://pastie.org/1007252 |
| 20:15:09 | dfkt | i see it's not in svn |
| 20:15:20 | saratoga | ah yeah |
| 20:15:23 | saratoga | thats what i was thinking |
| 20:15:30 | saratoga | is it any different? |
| 20:15:42 | bertrik | left-right crosstalk could be influenced by using the HPCM (head phone common mode) setting or not |
| 20:15:53 | dfkt | that was the result - http://rmaa.elektrokrishna.com/Temp/Clip%2B%20Rockbox%20HQ%20Patch%2065%20Ohm.htm |
| 20:16:12 | dfkt | but maybe i should double-check about the non-patched results... it's just too wrong looking |
| 20:17:41 | dfkt | same patch for 16 ohm: http://rmaa.elektrokrishna.com/Temp/Clip%2B%20Rockbox%20HQ%20Patch%2016%20Ohm.htm |
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| 20:21:20 | bertrik | the OF is doing a pretty good job compared to rockbox ... |
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| 20:32:23 | funman | dfkt: about the noise level perhaps changing as3514.c line 154 to AUDIOSET2_HPH_QUALITY_HIGH can help |
| 20:33:05 | funman | although at -110/-130 dB, i don't know if it matters |
| 20:33:48 | dfkt | funman, i tried markun's patch - http://pastie.org/1007252 (or better, read the channel log for the last half hour :) |
| 20:34:06 | funman | btw the OF has 39 or 40 steps for volume so unless it uses software volume it must use the same settings than us and combine DAC and HPH volumes |
| 20:34:21 | funman | ah sorry |
| 20:34:43 | dfkt | i'm not sure about the clip+, but the clipv1 has even less volume steps (~28 or so) |
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| 20:36:35 | funman | 40 on clipv2 and clipv1 too, perhaps you tested with 'volume = low' ? |
| 20:37:00 | funman | http://rmaa.elektrokrishna.com/Temp/Clip+%20Rockbox%20HQ%20Patch%2065%20Ohm/ns.png <- is that normal ? |
| 20:37:11 | dfkt | hmm, interesting... i definitely used the "a" firmware at high - maybe they gave it more steps in newer firmwares (which i never really used) |
| 20:37:27 | dfkt | i don't think that's normal, i should re-test that |
| 20:37:33 | funman | saratoga: btw perhaps i could ask some specific stuff to AMS (about 'high quality') |
| 20:37:34 | dfkt | that's too horrible to be true |
| 20:38:42 | funman | it would be nice to have a codec registers readout from OF |
| 20:39:20 | funman | ranma has a jtagged clip+ but i think he didnt' manage to run the OF yet (broken flash) and he's busy |
| 20:41:12 | funman | if i'm bored enough i will try to hack the OF to print these regs |
| 20:41:33 | funman | saratoga: btw if the battery capacities for clipv2 and clip+ are correct, the clipv2 uses much more current than the clip+ |
| 20:42:32 | framo | BTW the 32GB microSD card also works on my old E280 (in both Rockbox and OF) |
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| 20:44:16 | framo | Wait, I need to verify for the OF again, maybe I was looking at old files on the internal memory |
| 20:46:30 | framo | No, the OF on my e280 cannot see the card, I was looking at old files on the internal memory |
| 20:47:14 | fabrice | hi, by any chance do you know if Cowon S9 player is supported ? |
| 20:47:19 | bertrik | IIRC, the e200v1's can't even handle SDHC cards, only plain SD |
| 20:49:17 | Buckwheat | fabrice: no it isnt at this time |
| 20:49:37 | framo | bertrik, I can definetely browse and play the <microSD1> folder in Rockbox |
| 20:50:01 | framo | its the OF that cannot see the card |
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| 20:50:01 | bertrik | framo, sorry, I meant the original firmware |
| 20:50:07 | framo | ok |
| 20:50:55 | Buckwheat | fabrice: you can also look here, http://www.rockbox.org/ |
| 20:51:24 | bertrik | dfkt, it would be nice if you could test the two changes from markun's patch independently and see what effect each one has |
| 20:51:44 | fabrice | i did , but not really knowing mp3 players (never had one) i guess some similar models might work or maybe rockbow could be modified |
| 20:51:52 | bertrik | no idea how difficult or time-consuming each test is though |
| 20:52:13 | Buckwheat | fabrice: how new is your player? |
| 20:52:35 | dfkt | bertrik, no problem, i can do that. any load preferences - the standard 16 ohm, or a higher impedance? |
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| 20:52:54 | fabrice | Buckwheat: what would be a mp3 player working immediately with rockbox ? i'm wondering if buying an mp3 player could be useful, i have none so far |
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| 20:53:13 | dfkt | fabrice, working players are mentioned on the rockbox website |
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| 20:53:57 | Buckwheat | fabrice: http://build.rockbox.org/ there are the players that will work. I prefer the sansa fuze. And in the US there on sale. |
| 20:54:06 | Buckwheat | Well where im at anyway |
| 20:54:14 | fabrice | dfkt: stable ones yes, but there certainly is a best buy (?) |
| 20:54:25 | pixelma | fabrice: the firmware needs to be adapted to every other player type specifically. Sometimes it's possible to reuse code already written if there already is something for a certain piece of hardware |
| 20:55:20 | bertrik | dfkt, please try the high impedance, that one seems to show the biggest differences |
| 20:55:22 | dfkt | fabrice, i like the sansa clip+ the best |
| 20:55:31 | dfkt | bertrik, ok |
| 20:55:37 | dfkt | ksc75 it is :) |
| 20:56:01 | Buckwheat | The clip's screen is tiny tho but a good first choice |
| 20:56:49 | fabrice | sansa fuze ans clip+, ok , i'm in france so i'm not sure it's sold everywhere, let me have a look |
| 20:57:22 | Luca_S | Buckwheat: I'm in love with my sansa fuze (v2) |
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| 20:58:01 | Buckwheat | Luca_S: Me too better than an ipod (minus the toch) in my opinion |
| 20:58:14 | Luca_S | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/BuyersGuide |
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| 21:00:20 | Buckwheat | Any body know if rockboy is going to eventually run gba games? |
| 21:00:20 | fabrice | looks like this project is pretty active ? isn't it ? |
| 21:00:36 | Buckwheat | fabrice: has been active for a long time/ |
| 21:00:48 | fabrice | discovered it tonight :) |
| 21:01:06 | fabrice | today for you maybe ;) |
| 21:05:18 | tmzt | Buckwheat: emulating arm on arm? it's possible that future processors will allow that to be supported on a wider range of ports |
| 21:10:35 | Buckwheat | tmzt: ty for the info |
| 21:12:51 | bertrik | I can't really find out exactly how many register this rda5802 chip has: the OF seems to wrap registers after address 17, the OF init sequence sends 41 values, the datasheet says it has 58 register and my experiments suggest that it has 64 registers ... |
| 21:17:57 | pamaury | lol |
| 21:18:10 | pamaury | The magic of datasheets vs reality |
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| 21:19:10 | saratoga | Buckwheat: we have no GBA emulator, if you want to port one, you could, but so far no one has been interested in doing so |
| 21:19:30 | pamaury | At least, you know more the registers the OF accessed which is a lot better than the contrary |
| 21:19:53 | Buckwheat | saratoga: i figured that but i cant program |
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| 21:20:52 | bertrik | the OF reads only 3 registers (tuning info, signal strength info and id) and writes only 5 registers, except at init when it sends a set of 41 registers |
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| 21:24:55 | CIA-85 | New commit by bieber (r26870): Theme Editor: Items from line under cursor now selected in parse tree view |
| 21:25:09 | bertrik | oh, and the datasheet describes the function of only 8 registers |
| 21:26:47 | CIA-85 | r26870 build result: All green |
| 21:29:37 | pamaury | I can't make this stupid usb controller work on clip+, I can't get past enumeration, I don't get a setup transfer :( |
| 21:30:45 | Buckwheat | pamaury: How are you sopposed to use a contorller an an mp3 player??? |
| 21:30:53 | bertrik | Maybe you set the device address wrong then? |
| 21:31:46 | bertrik | (possibly stating the obvious ...) |
| 21:31:51 | bieber | JdGordon: Got it working |
| 21:32:42 | Buckwheat | pamaury: do you mean a phisical controller or on the computer |
| 21:32:48 | Buckwheat | sorry for misunderstanding |
| 21:33:18 | pamaury | bertrik: no I don't get to this point. The host sends a setup packet to me (the first one, I'm still at address 0) but... nothing happen ! The device should generate an interrupt but it does not. |
| 21:33:22 | bertrik | Buckwheat, it is the USB device controller inside the clip+ itself, the one that help make it appear as a MSC device to the computer |
| 21:33:52 | Buckwheat | Oh ok |
| 21:33:55 | Buckwheat | ty |
| 21:35:01 | bertrik | pamaury, what interrupt are you not getting (USB or VIC), does the USB controller at least indicate an interrupt itself? |
| 21:36:05 | pamaury | I get an interrupt for bus reset and enumeration done but not transfer completion so it's not an interrupt but more a config problem with the usb controller I guess |
| 21:37:37 | bertrik | Are you getting any EP0 interrupt at all? |
| 21:38:44 | pamaury | no, even though I enabled all possible source of EP0 int |
| 21:40:10 | Buckwheat | sdlk;h |
| 21:40:19 | Buckwheat | sorry cat ran on my keyboard |
| 21:40:21 | Buckwheat | ... |
| 21:40:33 | dfkt | bertrik, saratoga, funman - http://rmaa.elektrokrishna.com/Temp/hq-comparisons.htm |
| 21:41:24 | saratoga | so basically no difference? |
| 21:41:30 | dfkt | looks like it |
| 21:41:58 | dfkt | the tiny improvement in thd/imd is probably negligible |
| 21:42:44 | dfkt | that's all done with default 0x16 volume, btw |
| 21:43:42 | Ctcp | Ignored 5 channel CTCP requests in 35 seconds at the last flood |
| 21:43:42 | * | bertrik is confused |
| 21:44:36 | dfkt | so the one terrible result from before was just wrong... seems the current version of rmaa has these hiccups sometimes. i had to measure twice now as well, cause one result was off the hook |
| 21:45:36 | dfkt | the HP_BIAS_150 looks a tiny bit nicer than the rest, though |
| 21:46:01 | bertrik | I would say the difference is neglible |
| 21:46:13 | dfkt | yes |
| 21:46:54 | dfkt | i wonder what's with the harmonics in the noise level and dynamic range tests... i haven't seen that in other players or the stock firmware yet |
| 21:47:20 | bertrik | from a pure electronic point of view I'd expect that the effect of bias currents is more pronounced with low impedance headphones ... but your earlier results showed otherwise |
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| 21:47:56 | Buckwheat | Results inaccurate? |
| 21:48:24 | bertrik | 100 Hz plus harmonics could be our kernel tick somehow |
| 21:48:36 | dfkt | ah |
| 21:48:46 | dfkt | that's weird, though |
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| 21:52:24 | bertrik | Buckwheat, no I'm not saying they're inaccurate, just counterintuitive to me |
| 21:52:34 | Buckwheat | ok |
| 21:53:24 | bertrik | dfkt, can you put these results on the rockbox wiki somewhere? |
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| 21:54:03 | dfkt | i have no wiki account... please feel free to use any of my rmaa tests however you want, no restrictions :) |
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| 22:23:54 | scorche|sh | dfkt: it snt hard to get one real quick ;) |
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| 22:29:12 | CIA-85 | New commit by bertrik (r26871): The mystery FM chip in some Sansa Clip+ players has been identified as a RDA5802, so rename files and functions. Also fix several bugs. |
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| 22:30:51 | CIA-85 | r26871 build result: All green |
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| 22:45:25 | Buckwheat | CIA-85: so the clip+ radio works now |
| 22:45:33 | AlexP | That is a bot |
| 22:45:40 | Buckwheat | oh |
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| 22:46:07 | Buckwheat | how do you get rid of it |
| 22:46:14 | Buckwheat | or what is it |
| 22:46:30 | evilnick_B | It announces new changes to the code as they're checked in |
| 22:46:38 | Buckwheat | oh ok thats good |
| 22:46:52 | Buckwheat | im kindof new to the irc |
| 22:46:58 | AlexP | we can tell :) |
| 22:47:01 | Buckwheat | lol |
| 22:47:05 | Buckwheat | :P |
| 22:48:26 | Buckwheat | but the guidlines say no bots |
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| 22:49:43 | AlexP | where? |
| 22:50:13 | Buckwheat | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IrcGuidelines number 7 |
| 22:50:30 | AlexP | That doesn't say no bots |
| 22:50:40 | Buckwheat | scripts/bots basically same |
| 22:50:46 | AlexP | No they aren't |
| 22:50:53 | Buckwheat | nevermind than |
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| 22:51:03 | Buckwheat | ill look at the bot as good news |
| 22:51:16 | | Quit Buckwheat (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401080539]) |
| 22:51:24 | AlexP | Anyway, even if they were, we are allowed to break our own rules, it is users that aren't :) |
| 22:51:54 | bluebroth3r | AlexP: he already left :o |
| 22:52:16 | AlexP | Maybe he was a script! |
| 22:52:25 | bluebroth3r | just the moment I wanted to say something about the difference between bots and scripts. Oh well. |
| 22:55:30 | bluebroth3r | he might also be interested in knowing about logbot :P |
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| 22:59:39 | Unhelpful | saratoga: i think it could be done *somewhat* cleanly by providing substitutes for read() to use in the image loaders, but i also consider embedded AA a misfeature |
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| 23:03:59 | CIA-85 | New commit by rob (r26872): Re-write the Telechips I2C delay routine in assembler to stop the compiler optimising it away. Tested with EABI and non-EABI compilers. |
| 23:05:47 | CIA-85 | r26872 build result: All green |
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| 23:10:43 | bertrik | hm, -302 bytes for D2 just by optimising a delay loop? :P |
| 23:12:08 | bluebroth3r | wow, seems like users really start to spam the tracker now :( |
| 23:13:47 | jhMikeS | meow... http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=25084.0 |
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