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#rockbox log for 2010-06-24

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00:03:36CIA-6New commit by 03pamaury (r27098): as3525v2-usb: define number of enpoints correctly, write interrupt handler
00:04:06CIA-6New commit by 03pamaury (r27099): as3525v2-usb: beginning of a real driver. Setup packet and control transfers work. There is still a problem with the set address request. Still much ...
00:04:27dfktcan't wait until usb for the clip+ is working... "database refresh" is a real nuisance for rmaa tests with various builds :)
00:05:13CIA-6r27098 build result: All green
00:05:58bertrikdfkt, thanks. The hi-quality settings seem to have very little effect ... only in the stereo crosstalk do I see a significant effect
00:06:16bertrik*somewhat significant
00:06:34dfktindeed. considering thd and imd should be inaudible below ~1%, those results somehow don't matter
00:06:56CIA-6r27099 build result: All green
00:06:56dfktbut amiconn did hear differences?
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00:07:33godzirraOut of curiousity, does rockbox support TV out on the ipod classic? I've read up on the site but can't seem to find a definitive answer yes or no.
00:07:40dfkti'm not sure i heard any... been using both lines from markun's patch for over a week in my builds and can't say i heard anything remarkable
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00:11:14bertrikamiconn said he had the impression that it was an improvement
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00:12:41funmanset up a ABX build for hi-quality :)
00:12:55funmanthanks for the help
00:13:29dfktheh
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00:17:47pamaurydfkt: you can use a micro-sd to run a modified version of rockbox without using the OF
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00:20:46dfktpamaury, interesting, that is the first time i heard of that - modified how?
00:21:26 Quit anewuser (Quit: http://xrl.us/detroitVI Sixth edition of 25 samples + 48 hours + detroit party (july 31) (maybe streamed online!))
00:21:30pamauryjust pick a micro-sd, compile rockbox and put the rockbox.sansa on it (you can just modify the firmware) and then in rockbox file browser, select it => it will rolo it
00:21:56dfktaah, nice
00:22:03pamauryNo need for the OF. Of course, it will no change the rockbox on the internal storage but that nice when experimenting
00:22:59dfktindeed, saves a lot of time, since 8gb already take ages to refresh for the of - thanks for the hint
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00:29:51pixelmagodzirra: Rockbox doesn't work on the Ipod Classic at all... ;) If you mean the Ipod Videos (or 5th/5.5th generation) then no, Rockbox doesn't support video out I think. I have a vague memory that there was a patch for it in the tracker but am not sure
00:31:25pixelmabluebroth3r: regarding the error lines - won't the lines with the file info be surpressed with your patch to make the output a bit more silent?
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01:18:34CIA-6New commit by 03pixelma (r27100): Plasma.tex button table: add the conditional third column for targets with HAVEREMOTEKEYMAP defined to all rows (fixes wrong placement and adds info). ...
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01:20:18CIA-6r27100 build result: All green
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03:08:51JdGordonbieber: I would have thought that using switches on the tag name would be a pinaful method because they might change. I do see that adding 200 new classes would suck, but maybe grouping them could make it managable?
03:11:54CIA-6New commit by 03saratoga (r27101): Commit FS #11364 by me. Increases the A3525v2 volume range by 7.5dB. Each volume setting gets 7.5dB louder (if you listened before at 0dB, you would ...
03:13:28CIA-6r27101 build result: All green
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03:27:16godzirrapixelma: Thanks. That sucks. I've got a classic. :( I enjoyed rockbox on my old ipod a few years back. Ah well. :/
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04:15:10bieberJdGordon: The trick is that most of them won't be in the switch statement
04:16:06bieberMy plan is for all of the tags that just return a value to just grab them from some data structure that the device configuration panel will maintain, with each datum accessible by tag name
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04:19:09JdGordonok cool
04:19:41JdGordonbieber: I assume you'll make it nice and easy for users to set the tag value? (number and text?)
04:20:09bieberYeah, I'm building a control panel to expose just about any value of any interest for rendering
04:20:40JdGordonawesome :)
04:24:50bieberYou can see the beginnings of it in SVN Theme Editor, although it doesn't do anything yet
04:24:54bieberThat's tonight's project
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04:50:08saratogaonce you strip away the multichannel stuff, wma pro really isn't much different then standard
04:50:37saratogathe main improvements mostly just look like a more complicated quantization and lossless coding step
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04:55:36saratogahuh but they dropped line spectral pairs and noise coding, so in someways quantization and coding are actually simpler
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05:21:54pookleblinkyI have a sanza fuze v2. I have dl'd the required files as mentioned here: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaAMS
05:22:45pookleblinkyNow I'm trying to reinstall rockbox, but I'm not sure how to go about it this way.
05:29:20[Saint]pretty sure the manual explains it wel...
05:29:23[Saint]*well
05:29:32[Saint]http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-sansafuzev2/rockbox-build.html
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05:42:40pookleblinkyFollowing those instructions, I keep getting a "firmware not found" error on booting into rockbox.
05:45:09saratogathat means you installed the bootloader, but not rockbox
05:46:08saratogaare you using rbutil? it should have done that
05:48:32pookleblinkyrbutil doesn't work on v2
05:48:43pookleblinkyNo, I cp'd .rockbox
05:51:29saratogait does work with the v2
05:51:34simonrvnthe release rbutil doesn't work but the svn one does
05:51:42saratogabut it sounds like you just didn't copy the folder correctly
05:53:20binaryhermitactually, the released version of rbutil does support the fuze v2 as of earlier today
05:53:39simonrvnoh cool
05:56:26pookleblinkyI'm also using http://download.rockbox.org/daily/sansafuzev2/rockbox-sansafuzev2.zip
05:56:50pookleblinkybinaryhermit, ah. Pacman just doesn't have it, yet, then.
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06:02:43pookleblinkyHm. I just got it to boot properly, no error messages.
06:02:53pookleblinkyAnd it looks like I can actually write to disk.
06:02:55pookleblinkyNice
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06:13:16pookleblinkyWoo, works perfectly!
06:20:37*pookleblinky loves rockbox so very much
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06:43:24bieberJdGordon, S_a_i_n_t: Is the status bar part of the screen area that the backdrop covers?
06:43:38JdGordonyes
06:43:52JdGordonthe backdrop covers the whole screen
06:43:59JdGordoneverything is drawn above it
06:44:47bieberOkay, so should I normall be putting a bar at the top of the screen where the status bar would be?
06:44:50JdGordonI wouldnt put too much effort into the statusbar drawing... just make it a butt ugly solid colour drawn 8 pixels high at the top of the current viewport when %wi is done
06:45:10bieberOh, okay
06:45:12bieberThat's simple enough
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06:49:11*JdGordon is having trouble converting the tree LINE/SUBLINES to the array line/sublines :(
06:51:21bieberHmm, is it worth the effort to have the device configuration panel load all its settings from a config file?
06:52:11JdGordonmaybe...
06:52:16JdGordondepends how simple you can do it
06:53:43bieberI'm thinking text in brackets denotes a new section, and then on each line it'll just be three strings separated by semicolons: the tag the value represents, the text to put on the label for it, and the type of input widget to use
06:54:07bieberI think if nothing else, it'll be worth the effort to save connecting the signals for all those widgets by hand
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07:02:25bieberJdGordon: Are there tags that return real numbers?
07:03:11JdGordonwhat do you mean real numbers?
07:03:13bieberAnd while I'm on the topic, how are %t tags being handled? Do they have to be whole numbers of seconds, and can they be included in conditionals?
07:03:22bieberreal as in not-necessarily-integers
07:04:12JdGordonthe way they work in core is they must return a integer to be used as a conditional, when used as a string they can represent the number differently though
07:04:51JdGordoncheck CustomWPS for %t... decimals are ok
07:05:06JdGordonand thy are/will be legal inside conditionals once we work out how they work
07:05:22JdGordonthe will be ignored for now i guess
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07:08:52webguest81Hi is anyone working on the TSonic T610
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07:17:35wad11656Hey! Alrighty, I have a question. Is there a current patch or could someone make a quick patch that allows album art be applied by the following method?: "trackname.jpg" instead of "cover.jpg" / i.e. "cover.100x100.bmp"??? The way iTunes organizes the Music, multiple songs are placed in the same folders. Thus, when a "cover.jpg" is applied for intentionally one song within the folder, it is...
07:17:37wad11656...applied for all songs within the folder. Is there a work-around for this? Yes, I know there are alternatives to importing Music for rockbox than using the default Apple firmware directories, but I'd like to play my music on both firmwares along with the ability to use album artwork. Thanks! (I'm just gonna post this in the forum too...)
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07:35:12pixelmawad11656: see http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildap2.html#x17-385000B.19.2 - method 5 is recommended for using Apple firmware placed files, I think
07:36:21pixelma(not sure if you have an Ipod Video but this info is the same for all
07:38:53S_a_i_n_tbieber: You're not going to be drawing the status bar fulltime...right?
07:39:04S_a_i_n_tTBH, most themes seem to disable it.
07:39:41bieberNo, I'll make sure to implement the tags that disable/relocate it at the same time I start drawing it
07:40:23pixelmaS_a_i_n_t: usually only in the WPS (the disabling)
07:40:48S_a_i_n_taha, there's also a tag that graws the ststusbar in the current viewport, you're aware of this?
07:41:03S_a_i_n_tso, any viewport needs to be able to represent a "statusbar"
07:41:04JdGordonbieber: I wouldnt even bother drawing it at all... like I said, just use a solid colour to show the region
07:41:09S_a_i_n_t*draws
07:41:19JdGordonthat is the ONLY way to draw the bar
07:41:44JdGordonthe bar can be drawn in any viewport, always at the top of that viewport
07:41:48bieberS_a_i_n_t: Yep, it'll be easy enough to implement
07:42:17bieberBleh, C++ is nice, but the syntax sucks sometimes
07:42:31bieberI hate having to separate > > when I nest templates ;/
07:42:47S_a_i_n_tpixelma: If it has an sbs (generally speaking) the statusbar is disabled...in the thems I've seen/use at least.
07:42:57S_a_i_n_tthe .sbs takes the jod of said dtatusbar.
07:43:06S_a_i_n_t*bah..."job"
07:43:24S_a_i_n_ts/thems/themes/
07:43:40JdGordonone more :)
07:43:59S_a_i_n_tsee #community :P
07:44:44JdGordonBLAST! old displayer requires sublines to not be empty
07:45:10bieberAw shucks
07:45:52JdGordonI've almost got it working :/
07:48:54JdGordonsoo close :)
07:49:40bieberHehe, good luck
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07:52:29S_a_i_n_tI noticed your comment about %?<;|;> failing...sure, perhaps it *should* work, but...why?
07:52:43S_a_i_n_tfour lines of conditional nothingness?
07:52:44JdGordonbieber: intial work looks like your parser uses about double skin buffer.. although that number is probably fake because I'm still rebuilding the token array... but with it storing alot of text I would say maybe 20% increase?
07:52:49JdGordonwhich btw im fine with
07:53:04bieberYeah, I'm sure you could trim some stuff out
07:53:11bieberComments, for instance
07:53:19bieberBut if the size increase is tolerable, then all's well
07:53:19JdGordonallready strip comments
07:53:39JdGordonevenetually I think the text will get stored in a more temp buffer probably
07:53:44S_a_i_n_t<cough> dynamic skin buffer!</cough> :P
07:53:59JdGordonmost params dont have a long lifetime
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09:39:00TheSevenRE pamauryHonestly there are some strange things in his driver. And it doesn't support transfer splitting which limit the size of the maximum transfer size. And it doesn't support iso.
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09:39:11TheSevendo we ever need bigger transfers than this controller supports in hardware?
09:39:36TheSevenIIRC we're doing like 64k at once right now
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09:59:43CIA-6New commit by 03bieber (r27102): Theme Editor: Fixed some resource alias issues, implemented device configuration panel that loads options from a text file
09:59:58bieberIt's not pretty, but I've got a text-configurable device options panel working
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10:00:12bieberNow I just have to actually set all the options when I wake up in the morning
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10:09:06*JdGordon has the new parser working with the built in wps :)
10:09:21S_a_i_n_t\o/
10:09:45simonrvnnice
10:09:51S_a_i_n_tI can give you one of mine if you want a challenging WPS to parse :P
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10:10:17JdGordononce I get cabbie loading I'll put a patch up
10:10:31ennuiis there still no alternative firmware for a 5th generation iPod?
10:10:31JdGordonthe parseing should be working, but we might get fun drawing bugs
10:10:45JdGordon5th gen is the origional ipod video
10:10:58rvvs89Err, sure, there's rockbox and iPodLinux.
10:11:09S_a_i_n_tawesome, then I'll hit you up with all the things that my way-too-drastically-complicated-code will probably choke it on ;)
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10:12:05S_a_i_n_tennui: Do you by chance mean the 6th Gen "classic"?
10:12:36S_a_i_n_tif yes, then, no...otherwise, the iPod Video has been supported for quite some time.
10:12:47ennuiS_a_i_n_t: i think so. trying to figure out which mine is
10:13:27rvvs89ennui: http://ipodlinux.org/wiki/Generations
10:15:20ennuibah... looks like there will never be support for the 5G.. I should try and swap it on craigslist for an older one
10:15:50ennuisorry, 6G that is
10:16:07S_a_i_n_tnever say never.
10:16:17S_a_i_n_tjust, don't hold your breath
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10:16:48JdGordonLAAAME!
10:16:49ennuiwell this i pod has been out for what? 3-4 years?
10:16:57JdGordonstoring pointers to the stack doesnt work too well :p
10:17:04n1sennui: yes
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10:17:14S_a_i_n_tThe Nano3G and the iPod "classic"6G are internally very similar, if one falls, the other shouldn;t be too far behind.
10:17:52n1si think exploits have been found on both of these actually
10:18:00S_a_i_n_tThe Nano2g was thought to "never be able to be exploited", and now, its almost ready to become a "stable" target.
10:18:10n1sjust noone done the rest of the work...
10:18:18S_a_i_n_tn1s: Yes, you're quite correct.
10:18:42S_a_i_n_tThere is some small ammounts of third party code running on both IIUC
10:18:51S_a_i_n_tbut, nothing terribly useful as yet
10:19:32n1sbasically the same place as the nano 4g...
10:19:41S_a_i_n_tennui: Point is, never say never..the Nano2G is a perfect example of that.
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10:20:25S_a_i_n_tn1s: I think the Nano4G actually has some *usefull* code running, a very basic form of iBugger is running on it.
10:20:31S_a_i_n_tBut, that's about all.
10:20:40ennuiI just wanna play my flac files T_T. Guess I'll start writing something to automate conversion to mp3 and sync
10:20:48TheSevenit isn't even that basic, it already has LCD drivers :-)
10:21:00TheSevenit's the nano 3g that has the very limited one
10:21:06S_a_i_n_tTheSeven: Wow, better than the last time I checked.
10:21:09S_a_i_n_tAwesome.
10:21:17n1sright
10:21:35TheSevenhm, the 4g lcd driver has been there for several months now, i haven't done anything with it recently
10:21:45S_a_i_n_tI might have a reason to open my Nano4G box in the near future after all ;)
10:21:57TheSevenit also has a working interrupt-driven ibugger core
10:22:08S_a_i_n_t...wow.
10:22:56TheSeventhe most important things that are lacking are proper initialization code to get that thing up to speed from DFU mode and not rely on the notes exploit, a better understanding of the MMU (and maybe actually use it), and of course a driver for the flash memory
10:23:24TheSevenI'm still pretty much stuck in that efi mess regarding those things
10:23:48funmanthere is a non-ARM MMU ?
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10:23:55S_a_i_n_tAm I right in the immense similarity between the Nano3G amd the 6G "classic"?
10:24:11S_a_i_n_tA port to either should make the other a lot easier no?
10:24:14TheSevenno, it's the arm1136 one, it's just that I haven't looked into that yet
10:24:21n1sI haven't gotten around to looking at it but since a hacker of TheSeven's caliber is stuck i don't think i'll help much :/
10:24:56n1sS_a_i_n_t: think so, still has the FTL thing to worry about in the nano though
10:25:02JdGordonhow do I figure out the needed buffer size for a bmp?
10:25:02S_a_i_n_tn1s: My sentiment exactly, though, I guess thats not how things get done.
10:25:08TheSevenS_a_i_n_t: nano3g and all the classics actually use the same soc, it's very likely that only the storage interfaces will be different for them
10:25:22TheSeven(and that headphone remote stuff on the 3g classic of course)
10:25:41S_a_i_n_tright, I thought they were terribly similar.
10:25:47n1sJdGordon: think you need to parse header and do depth*pixels
10:25:52TheSevenn1s: The biggest problem for me right now is lack of time :-(
10:26:27S_a_i_n_tTheSeven: That, and the fact that its water that other devs seem to fear to swim in ;)
10:26:35S_a_i_n_tA little help wouldn;t go to waste.
10:26:43TheSevenI'd need to do a whole lot of processor emulation to somehow automate digging into the efi hell
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10:27:26TheSeventhe ftl won't be a problem, they'll either use a newer version of whimory, which will be rather similar to the one i've already implemented, or, if we're very lucky, yaftl (open source).
10:28:09funmanS_a_i_n_t: do *you* fear this water? ;)
10:28:25n1sTheSeven: i'm not quite sure i understood but this firmware contains a lot of init code and selects what to run at runtime?
10:28:57S_a_i_n_tfunman: Indeed I do.
10:29:00JdGordonn1s: rhanks, it looks like read_bmp_file() can be told to do just the filesize :)
10:29:11S_a_i_n_tThe Nano2G is a scary beast.
10:29:51n1sJdGordon: i suppose we need that for buffering AA etc, so i'm not surprised someone's coced it already :)
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10:33:01TheSevenS_a_i_n_t: I don't think so
10:33:23TheSeventhe 4G is a much scarier beast at least :-)
10:34:15S_a_i_n_tTheSeven: sure *you* don;t think so... ;)
10:34:23JdGordonn1s: except it just lied to me!
10:34:32n1sthe bastard!
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10:36:21JdGordon/.rockbox/wps/cabbiev2/pb-176x220x16.bmp 334
10:36:21JdGordonread_bmp_fd: Bitmap too large for buffer: 2672 bytes.
10:36:22JdGordonwtf?
10:37:24JdGordonnope, me silly :p
10:37:33JdGordonit helps to set the requested format :p
10:38:28bor_kafunman, ranma - got 2 times abort when doing file copy from the PC to the fuze via USB. Once for internal memory, once for mSD. FS is not corrupt. Device just turned off. Builds - yesterday's 27086 and today's 27101
10:39:37S_a_i_n_tTheSeven: You also use FS #10890...correct?
10:39:47S_a_i_n_tDo you think there is any hope in this getting committed?
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10:40:08CIA-6New commit by 03jethead71 (r27103): Gigabeat S: Use statically initialized channel descriptors. Also, there's no need for them to be in non-cached memory since they're only used on the ...
10:40:09S_a_i_n_t(its the dynamic runtime estimation patch)
10:41:35TheSevenS_a_i_n_t: No, I don't use that, but I'd like to see it committed
10:41:51CIA-6r27103 build result: 19 errors, 79 warnings (jethead71 committed)
10:42:04TheSeven(my battery is charged >70% all of the time anyway, so the estimation isn't really important for me)
10:42:05JdGordonhttp://imagebin.ca/view/746oE446.html almost working :)
10:42:17S_a_i_n_tAh, I thought you did. It is indeed quite awesome.
10:42:43*TheSeven keeps hooking up his ipod to a pc to transfer things too often to ever fully discharge the battery
10:42:51JdGordonS_a_i_n_t: feel like playing guenea pig?
10:43:20S_a_i_n_twell, same here but I still find it usefull to have a (remotely accurate) battery meter.
10:43:37S_a_i_n_tJdGordon: Um.....perhaps.
10:44:03JdGordoncabbie is having issues, but that is hopefully because it doesnt use viewports
10:44:55TheSevenS_a_i_n_t: the *meter* should already be accurate and isn't affected by that patch. It's just the "time left" estimation that is.
10:45:04S_a_i_n_tI see you're having alignment issues in you screenshot.
10:45:09TheSeven(the meter accuracy hack for nano2g is already in svn ;) )
10:45:33S_a_i_n_tTheSeven: Ah, yess...poorly worded.
10:45:35JdGordonbah, nope not working yet :/
10:46:01S_a_i_n_tI now have time left/battery percentage alternating on several themes
10:46:25funmanbor_ka: you wrote down the message?
10:46:48S_a_i_n_tI also just figured out I can display the next track with the "track ending" tag, a bit of a facepalm, but, awesome.
10:47:13S_a_i_n_tI was just alternating them with sublines, this way seems much betetr.
10:47:46bor_kafunman, unfortunately, there were no message - player just turned off
10:47:56S_a_i_n_tTheSeven; Once I get the kinks worked out I'll chuck you a new "Apple_OF" theme to try out that uses the above mentioned feature.
10:48:07bor_kaso, I don't even know, how to track it further
10:48:18funmanthat's not a data abort then
10:48:25bor_kayes
10:48:28funmanbattery was ok?
10:48:35bor_kayes, about 80%
10:48:54bor_kaFS is not corrupt
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10:49:14S_a_i_n_tit *should* give you a hint on the next track 20 seconds before the current track ends so you know beforehand if you want to skip it or not. Brilliance ;)
10:49:48S_a_i_n_tYet another thing the Apple OF doesn;t do that it should.
10:50:12bor_kafunman, it happend during the massive write - say, directory of about 300-400MB
10:56:09dfktsaratoga, wanna add me to the credits too? ;)
10:57:57funmandfkt: i was pretty sure you were in there already
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11:04:16dfktfunman, not that i know of - let me check
11:04:33funmannope
11:05:10dfktindeed
11:06:42dfktcan't find anything
11:13:07amiconnTheSeven: Nano G4 uses arm1136?
11:13:36TheSevenyep
11:14:45amiconnSo it's armv6... what max. clock?
11:14:51TheSevenno idea
11:15:00TheSevenprobably some 500mhz
11:15:13TheSeveni haven't even tried to read the syscon regs yet
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11:26:18JdGordonwooohoo! Cabbie running correctly :)
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11:27:54CIA-6New commit by 03funman (r27104): add Martin Sägmüller to CREDITS
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11:29:22CIA-6r27104 build result: All green
11:29:37dfkt_funman, thanks
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11:34:19livingdaylighthello channel
11:34:56livingdaylightdoes rockbox firmware improve quality of sound, I wondered? or is just a different navigational software?
11:35:26S_a_i_n_tit strives to be beter in all field it can be.
11:35:36S_a_i_n_tThough, "beter" is subjective.
11:35:48S_a_i_n_tgah *"better"
11:36:42livingdaylightbut, so, yea it does have effect on sound quality (for better or worse)
11:36:59S_a_i_n_tThe best way to confirm that is to download the installer and try it out, if you don't like it, you can easily remove it.
11:37:15S_a_i_n_tMentioning what device you wish to install it on could also help.
11:37:39livingdaylightjust thought I'd ask whether in principle it does, I may not even notice any difference one way or another
11:38:18livingdaylightI have cowon iAudio X5L
11:38:21S_a_i_n_tIt most certainly has more options to customise the audio to ones liking than the original formware of most players.
11:38:32S_a_i_n_t*firmware
11:38:49livingdaylightmy partner has sansa fuze but I don't know whether it is version 1 or 2. Probably 2 as it is a new purchase
11:39:17S_a_i_n_tBoth are supported.
11:39:30S_a_i_n_t(Fuze V1 and V2)
11:39:38funmanfuzev2 is usable but still unstable though
11:40:34S_a_i_n_tMost people end up trying rockbox, and then never wanting to see the original firmware on their players again.
11:41:02livingdaylightk, thx for the feedback guys
11:48:49*JdGordon seems to be massivly miscounting needed tokens... used tokens: 276/512!
11:55:46JdGordonWOOHOO :)
11:55:49JdGordonI need testers
11:59:29JdGordonFS #11435 badly needs testers
11:59:43JdGordonS_a_i_n_t: :)
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12:00:39JdGordonthat is a pretty dangerous change.. it replaces the old parser with the new one... hopefully you wont see any difference
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12:00:47JdGordonlet me know if it feels faster/slower also
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12:02:02S_a_i_n_tJdGordon: I can't test it just yet, you'll probably be asleep by the time I can, but I certainly will and I'll leave a note in here with my findings.
12:02:20JdGordonflysrpay would be better if I am alreayd asleep
12:02:41S_a_i_n_tJust for fun I'll throw my most ridiculously complicated theme at it.
12:02:49S_a_i_n_tAnd cool, flyspray it is then.
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12:08:24bor_kafunman, fuze v1 just silently turned off during the ordinary playback of mp3. And before - when browsing the menu just after the database update. I think I'm reverting back to 26480 with your fix for the previous database update crash.
12:08:44bor_kaUnless, ofcourse, you have an idea how to track down these poweroffs
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12:09:35bor_kaBTW, one strange thing I've noticed: the disk "flash" icons stays forever after the database update. Don't remember such a behaviour before.
12:10:06bor_kaflash -> lighting icon, that means disk activity
12:11:06JdGordonS_a_i_n_t: the playlist viewer doesnt work yet, so dont throw a skin with that at it
12:11:38S_a_i_n_tCool, lucky you mentioned that actually.
12:11:45S_a_i_n_tI'l just comment it out.
12:11:47livingdaylightguys, I've used rockboxutility to install rbox on X5L. I browsed to the mnt point and chose my player from the menu. It seems to have installed and I safely removed from pc. However, when rebooting the player rbox doesn't load?
12:12:40*JdGordon wonders if he can silentyl remove that tag :)
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12:13:25livingdaylightok, I think I know. Hadn't put player back in the cradle
12:14:19S_a_i_n_tlivingdaylight: Manual is here:
12:14:26S_a_i_n_thttp://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-iaudiox5/rockbox-build.html
12:14:41vipwis there a tool to convert the rockbox fonts back to bdf?
12:15:11S_a_i_n_tvipw: No, but you can just get the .bdf fonts from the source
12:16:03funmanbor_ka: hm i might have screwed this up
12:16:07funman(the fuzev1 light)
12:16:17vipwoh, that's just as good, thanks a lot
12:16:52S_a_i_n_tvipw: svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk
12:16:59bor_kafunman, lighting icons is not a big problem, I thought that may be it is connected somehow with the mysterious powerdowns/crashes
12:17:13livingdaylightS_a_i_n_t: yea, I was following but didn't get that I had to put it back in the cradle. Thought I could just power-up the player into the new firmware
12:17:27funmani'm copying some stuff on my fuzev1 so i'll test USB & database at the same time
12:17:50funmanundef instruction while writing
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12:19:21S_a_i_n_tlivingdaylight; As I understand it, you don;t need to put it back on the cradle.
12:19:28S_a_i_n_tJust a power cycle is needed.
12:19:41S_a_i_n_tputting it on the cradle just had the same effect
12:19:45*livingdaylight wonders what the difference is between the rboxutility automatic installer and the manual installation apart from ease?
12:20:02S_a_i_n_tlivingdaylight: Nothing.
12:20:12livingdaylightok
12:20:40S_a_i_n_tyou got it ine one, its easier for people who like a nice GUI-tye installer thingy.
12:20:41livingdaylightS_a_i_n_t: what is a pwer cycle>?
12:20:56S_a_i_n_tturn off, then on.
12:21:08livingdaylightyea, that didn't seem to do it here
12:21:13livingdaylightonly when I put it in the cradle
12:21:40S_a_i_n_tsection 2.2.3 of the manual explains it actually.
12:21:53S_a_i_n_teject, turn off, insert charger.
12:22:03S_a_i_n_t*then* it will flash to memory.
12:22:20S_a_i_n_t("it" being the bootloader)
12:22:27livingdaylightyea, charger and cradle are synonymous in my case
12:22:43bor_kafunman, I've got crash/powerdown during the ordinary playback. Files where from the internal memory, mp3. So if something is wrong, then it is deeply inside
12:22:48S_a_i_n_tindeed, one of those RTFM things :P
12:26:03funmanbor_ka: let's see; i updated to the latest rev and copying files is still working atm
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12:37:06Luca_Shello! FuzeV2 r27102 crashed during playback: player in wps, backlight was off, the song ended and the next one started, volume was loud so I lowered it: as soon as i rotated the wheel it went silent and froze. not even backlight. reset with long power press.
12:38:27Luca_Snot reproducible yet, though
12:38:48funmanbor_ka: button shuts down correctly, were you updating DB from µSD ?
12:39:31funmanbutton light powers off, but player crashes
12:40:10funman(freezes, not reproducible)
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12:43:40dfktfunman - http://anythingbutipod.com/forum/showpost.php?p=479456&postcount=668
12:44:10funmandfkt: it's normal
12:44:36funmanenabling the 2nd PLL would pump more juice
12:44:49funmanideally we'd run everything from 1 PLL
12:44:53giovanni_I can't understand how to add files to patches, I need to add some .tex files for the manual. svn add /manual/.../...tex?
12:45:22Luca_Sfunman: shoulnd't we need a battery bench to rule that?
12:45:23dfktfunman, so the other half of the clock patch that is in svn fixes something else besides speed?
12:45:28funmangiovanni_: right
12:45:37funmanLuca_S: yes
12:45:41funmandfkt: which fix?
12:46:03dfktbertrik's clock patch consisted of 3 diff lines - 2 of those are in svn, the 3rd isn't
12:46:12funmandfkt: r26937 was reverted in r26979
12:46:21giovanni_funman: so, svn add /manual/.../....tex > mypatch.diff ?
12:46:23Luca_Sfunman: I'll start it right after Italy's match later this afternoon ;)
12:46:35funmandfkt: because his patch only affected playback, the patch which was committed then reverted also affected cpu & peripherals freqs
12:47:06dfktfunman, i see - is there any need for a battery bench, PLLB vs. PLLA?
12:48:33giovanni_Luca_S: are you Italian? may I ask you some hints in PM?
12:49:16funmandfkt: that can't harm
12:50:47Luca_Sgiovanni_: I'm Italian, but I never used tex. However I suppose that patching the manual is not different than what you can read at http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/WorkingWithPatches#Creating_A_Patch
12:51:28giovanni_Yes, I am reading it right now, but I 'm not able to add files
12:52:44Luca_Soh well, I suppose that you could simply add new files to the flyspray task - the committer will take care of them eventually, but I'm not a RB developer so don't take my word for granted
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12:53:41giovanni_Luca_S: Thank you
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13:04:16mitktrunk/fonts/35-Nimbus.bdf has mode set to 775. By mistake?
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13:06:57pamauryTheSeven: any progress with the sector cache ? I'm sorry, I haven't tested it yet but tonight, I focus on this rather than usb if possible.
13:08:54TheSevenwell, it seems to work, i haven't tested it on md/mv yet, but performance isn't as nice as I expected it to be
13:09:00TheSeventhe cache lookups seem to take way too much time
13:10:13TheSeveni changed the cache size tu 8K sectors for some tests, with each and every sector cached and not written through, and performance was down to 100-200KB/s
13:13:54pamauryYou think the cache lookup is the problem ?
13:15:00pamauryI'll have at a look at the md/mv tonight because it's messy for now :)
13:15:56bor_kafunman, as for copying files via USB - it crashes not 100%, I've managed to copy 400MB without a crash this morning before switching back to older build.
13:16:04pamauryDid you identify one or several particular uses in the code that cause this performance loss or you don't know ?
13:17:12bor_kafunman, I didn't get the "button shuts down correctly, were you updating DB from µSD ?" You mean, that if one tries to shut down the player during the DB update, it crashes?
13:17:45bor_kaIf yes, I haven't seen it
13:18:41bor_kaBTW, my crash during the playback on the fuze v1 feels very close to Luca_S'
13:23:34TorneThis guy points out that large drives still don't work on non-ipods: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=25144.0
13:23:47TorneWe need to release new bootlaoders for all the non-ipod ATA-based players..
13:23:51Torne(except archos)
13:24:20Torne(well, he asks a different question, but the conclusion i draw is that large drives still don't work on non-ipod bootloaders)
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13:27:56amiconnTorne: Someone who has the required recovery equipment needs to test on the irivers
13:28:15Tornewell, i don't particularly want to d oany of this, i shall clarify ;)
13:28:19Tornei had enough "fun" doing the ipods
13:28:31Tornewhich i could at least test *one* model of. :)
13:29:41amiconnProblem is that if you put a bootloader onto those coldfire irivers which doesn't work, the thing is bricked. Only known way to recover requires a bdm
13:29:53Torneyeah
13:29:58amiconnThe iaudios should be easy though, as they are brick safe
13:30:02Tornewell, they don't all need ot be done together/atonce
13:31:42ranmabor_ka: It just turned off during usb write? That's weird. I'd expect it might hang or something, but just turning off is a bit strange :)
13:32:21JdGordonZagor: ping
13:32:35amiconnTorne: That forum post doesn't say why he wants to add MAX_PHYS_SECTOR_SIZE
13:32:42ZagorJdGordon: pong
13:32:47Torne"because he read some vague advice somewhere"
13:32:52Tornehm, actually i think it's wrong anyway
13:33:05Tornei suspect what he's actually lacking is LBA48
13:33:12JdGordonhey, it seems something is missing in the libskin_parser.a stuff... I'm getting undefined references even though it is being built?
13:33:30Tornesince the iaudio doesn't have MAX_PHYS_SECTOR_SIZE at all, currently, and thus will accept any sector size ;)
13:33:35amiconnAfaik the bootloaders should work just fine because they're so old they don't even know about large physical sectors
13:33:43amiconnCF support may be an issue though
13:33:48TorneWell, only the ipodvideo knows about large physical sectors
13:33:50amiconnOh, and LBA48 of course
13:34:01ZagorJdGordon: when you compile what?
13:34:07Zagorlink, rather
13:34:08Tornewhatever suggestion he's copying is probably for ipodvideo
13:34:14Tornesince that seems to be the most commonly upgraded player
13:34:30JdGordonZagor: I'm building the d2 build... make bin
13:35:27amiconnTorne: Yeah, since afaik those new high capacity 1.8" hdds are zif only
13:35:43Torneamiconn: anyway, i asked him what happens :)
13:35:46JdGordondoes rockbox.elf just need to add the -L$SKINLIB line?
13:35:58amiconnMost older DAPs need 50pin: H1x0, H300, the iaudios, and all pre-G5 fullsize ipods
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13:36:10JdGordonit is building it but not linking it :)
13:36:12amiconnAlso Gigabeat F
13:37:22ZagorJdGordon: right, you need to add -L and -l for it
13:39:14JdGordonZagor: something like http://pastebin.com/AsS2BDXf and then OTHER_LIB += blaaa in the other makefile?
13:39:23JdGordonto make it easier to add things later
13:39:42bor_karanma, yes, I think it just turned off - windows said something about fail in the delayed write, and I turned the player on normally, without the long power-off
13:40:40ZagorJdGordon: wait, I'll fix it
13:40:51JdGordoncool, thanks :)
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13:46:14ranmabor_ka: Maybe it was in the panic screen, but with display off? Then it would reboot if you press power, that' would probably be indistinguishable from power-on.
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13:47:39CIA-6New commit by 03zagor (r27105): Moved libskin_parser to lib. Added it to link line.
13:48:05bor_kano, IIRC I turned the backlight on to see these pesky panic screens.
13:48:57ranmaHmm, also I thought http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev&revision=26917 should turn on the display on panic...
13:49:13CIA-6r27105 build result: All green
13:49:34bor_karanma, I turned it about at 26500 :)
13:49:42bor_kaand forgot to turn off
13:51:11*bor_ka thinks about reformatting internal memory since he gots undeletable directory and no FS errors - don't know how is it possible in FAT without the ACLs
13:51:34TheSevenpamaury: I was testing using test_disk
13:52:17TheSevenundeletable => i/o problems or fs corruption
13:52:33TheSevenanyway, chkdsk should reveal the problem :-)
13:52:48*TheSeven has seen chkdsk just crash on some borked fs though :-P
13:53:03bor_kaTheSeven, chkdsk doesn't find a problem. But windows say that the directory is not empty
13:53:34bor_kaSo, the quickest way is to reformat
13:55:34JdGordonI'm getting "LINE is being redefeind" in tv_preferences.h (text_viewer plugin)... how do I figure out which file is causing it to #include "skin_parser.h"?
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13:56:57JdGordonok, never mind... why the hell are the plugins depending on wkin_internals.h"?
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14:00:53JdGordonskin_internals.h
14:01:05JdGordonminor quake caused the keyboard to move!
14:01:07JdGordonhonest!
14:01:37Zagordo you mean wps_internals?
14:01:50JdGordonnever mind, I assume it is going through settings.h and skin_engine.h and yes I do
14:02:14JdGordonI've fixed it with #ifndef PLUGIN around the include which i guess is good enough
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14:11:58giovanni_pixelma: Can you please take a look at this patch? is it made the way it should be? compiling the manual for vx777 with this gives errors, but this is my first attempt, sorry. http://pastebin.com/eLKj0AYN
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14:36:30ucchanJdGordon: I rename LINE other words in tv_preferences.
14:37:31JdGordonok thanks
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14:58:50CIA-6New commit by 03uchida (r27106): text_viewer: rename preference values.
14:59:17pixelmagiovanni_: if I have time today in the evening, I'll try and help. Maybe you can post the patch to the tracker, even with errors it's better than what we have now and quite a bit work done already, Then some more people can help more easily. From what I see after a quick look - the \Action things shouldn't be in the main platform file and everything that is already covered for other touchscreen devices wouldn't be needed. I remember you reporting
14:59:17pixelma some problems yesterday, we'll see
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15:00:35ucchanJdGordon: In r27106, I rename LINE to VS_LINE. (other values rename too).
15:00:46JdGordonnice, thanks
15:01:20giovanni_pixelma: this evening I will be out for the football match but, as you told me, I will now post the patch to the tracker as it is.
15:02:30pixelmanice, thanks :)
15:09:50ranmabor_ka: Hey, I got the same error, today, .rockbox showed to '.' entries in Linux and was undeletable, chkdsk didn't find any errors...
15:10:18ranmaIn the end I delted it by hand using hexedit...
15:10:48ranmas@to '.'@two '.'@
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15:16:05bor_karanma, "s@to '.'@two '.'@" ??
15:17:06bor_kaohhh
15:17:11ranmabor_ka: Run 'sed -e "s@to '.'@two '.'@"' on the sentence from 15:09 ;) (replace to with two)
15:17:13bor_kagot it
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15:22:48JdGordondoes the eabi toolchain not get insalled in the same general place as the other compilers?
15:23:17JdGordonROCKBOXDEV: Make sure your PATH includes /usr/local/bin <- oh thats just wrong
15:23:57TheSeventhe new toolchains should be installing into /usr/local/bin, nor /usr/local/<arch>/bin
15:23:59ZagorJdGordon: eabi changed the path, yes
15:24:16TheSevennot*
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15:27:13Stummihm, i can not build the themeeditor. it says, ui_devicestate.h could not found
15:28:40StummiTheSeven, it does, iirc
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15:52:04JdGordonany reason for the change?
15:55:06JdGordonteru: any reason you arnt commiting the touchscreen keyboard patch?
15:55:55teruJdGordon: i don't have actual device to test.
15:56:05JdGordonoh ok :)
15:56:16JdGordonI'll give it a go then
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16:00:02JdGordonteru: DEL doesnt seem to work
16:01:10JdGordonactually, none of the bottom buttons seem to be very reliable
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16:22:39CIA-6New commit by 03mcuelenaere (r27107): Fix touchscreen scrollbar behaviour when it's on the right. ...
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16:24:27CIA-6r27107 build result: All green
16:28:36JdGordoneeek! using the new parser adds 7k to the binary!
16:29:02JdGordon3500B of code removed, 10K added!
16:30:58JdGordonanother 1K is removed with the playlist viewer change though, so maybe once they are all fixed it will come out well ahead
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16:33:03pixelmaJdGordon: how do you mean "well ahead" there?
16:33:23JdGordonan overall bin shrink once finished
16:33:40JdGordonthe way I'm pretty much forced to do it is kludgey
16:33:54gevaertsJdGordon: you mean the new parser itself is bigger, but the individual tag handling gets smaller?
16:34:05CIA-6r27108 build result: All green
16:35:19JdGordonI tihnk so
16:35:56JdGordonthere is a 1600 byte table which is duplicated which is a big chunk
16:36:08gevaertsok, it doesn't make much sense to compare sizes before that's done then
16:36:36JdGordonof course not :) just checking to see what to expect
16:36:54JdGordonI'm planning on commiting this first patch on the weekend unless I hear bug reports
16:38:45*JdGordon spots 400bytes that can be removed easily :)
16:46:23CIA-6New commit by 03jdgordon (r27109): dont build the debug code in ROCKBOX, save ~400bytes
16:47:58CIA-6r27109 build result: All green
16:49:38gevaertsJdGordon: no it doesn't :)
16:49:45JdGordonyes it does!
16:49:55*JdGordon should have kept that for later :p
16:50:50gevaertsJdGordon: that file was compiled, but the linker was smart enough to ignore it
16:50:59JdGordonyes, I know
16:51:08JdGordonstill saved 400b
16:51:20*gevaerts points JdGordon to http://build.rockbox.org/dev.cgi
16:51:29JdGordon....
16:52:15*JdGordon sees another small space saver
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16:54:12bug2000Is there an advantage for using Rockbox USB than SansaClip v1 USB mode?
16:55:28bug2000O_O, is this real? Can I access the MTP folders with it? Nice.
16:56:20dfktbug2000, no more "database refresh" waiting time should be reason enough :)
16:57:07bug2000dfkt: Good point. But is there a way to force the database refresh without a PC? say if I want to create a playlist using Rockbox, and listen with the original [saves battery] / I prefer to hear podcasts with the original firmware for some reason.
16:57:28dfktno idea, i never use the original firmware
16:57:52bug2000If there wasn't a battery loss, I might have stopped using it as well.
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17:04:13bor_kabug2000, for me on fuze v1 were crashes during the USB file copy. And FS corruption, possibly linked to it
17:04:50bug2000bor_ka: So to not trust the rockbox USB yet?
17:05:33bor_kaI don't know, since for developers it was Ok. And fuze != clip
17:05:48bug2000Good point.
17:05:49bor_kaIf it be me, I'd try, but with caution
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17:12:27ranmaHmm, I think I'm on to something on why 4bit writes fail on amsv1
17:13:19ranmaI added verify after write to the write path and am now panicing on verify failure for debugging
17:14:50ranmaThe wrongly written block always looks like this: first 16 bytes are data from a wrong point in the buffer, followed by data from &buf[0] onwards (so everything moved by 16 bytes)
17:15:19ranmaI then added some logging of various dma and sd registers.
17:16:21ranmaNow it looks like when a write fails, the write was retried. On the first try it didn't finish, with MCI_STATUS of TX_UNDERRUN, but none of the FIFO_EMPTY bits set.
17:17:15ranmaAssuming the FIFO is exactly 16 bytes, that would explain where the additional 16 bytes come from (and also why they are from varying offsets in the sector)
17:23:12ranma(Datasheet seems to indicated fifo is 16x32 bits though)
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18:44:17xtrenderHello.
18:45:47bertrikfunman, is there a bug report for the AMS v2 wakeup poweroff issue?
18:46:01xtrenderI have an ipod nano 3g. The fatty one, and i would like to contribute coding for its port..
18:47:27xtrenderI am a computer science student and i can do some code in C but i dont have any idea howan ipod works internally (yet). Still i would like to help.
18:48:55xtrenderbtw, and before you rtfm me im already reading the docs at the main page =)
18:50:39bertrikHave you read http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IpodNano3GPort ?
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18:52:54bertrikFor a long time, rockbox could not be ported to many of the nanos because of the encrypted firmware. TheSeven is the expert on this.
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18:56:15xtrenderyes, i alread read that.
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18:56:52bertrikxtrender, there may also be a thread on the forum with more information, I'll have a look.
18:56:57xtrender" A port can begin whenever someone takes interest." im interested, but dont know if am im up to it..
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18:59:14simonrvnconsider yourself pinged :P
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18:59:44TheSevenxtrender: first of all, the crypto stuff has been defeated :-)
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19:00:12TheSevenit's now "just" a matter of reverse engineering the drivers/hardware and writing a rockbox port
19:00:27*bertrik considers that the easy part :)
19:00:34OverLOADper> http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-sansafuzev2/rockbox-buildch3.html#x5-240003
19:00:41TheSevenbertrik: the hardware reversing not neccessarily
19:00:46OverLOAD"The player will always boot into the original firmware if it is powered by a USB connection, and additionally will do so if USB is inserted while rockbox is running without holding Select. This feature may be removed in the future when Rockbox is able to handle USB transfers natively. "
19:00:51simonrvnindeed. quite an accomplishment to break the encryption.
19:01:01TheSevenbut luckily the 3g isn't anywhere as bad as the 4g
19:01:04OverLOADthis kind of makes "car adapter mode" useless at present?
19:01:24Jeromyes
19:01:37OverLOADthat's a shame..
19:01:44JeromBut USB support is on the way
19:01:51OverLOADI suppose I could compile my own custom build for the interim?
19:02:49TheSevensimonrvn: you should contact benedikt93 on #linux4nano-dev
19:02:49JeromFor the what ?
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19:03:40simonrvner? xtrender wants to help
19:03:40TheSevenhe started working on the 3g some weeks ago, but i haven't seen him recently
19:03:40simonrvnscroll up :)
19:03:41TheSevenoh, sorry, mixed you up
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19:03:45bertrikThere is a forum thread about the nano 3g in the New Ports forum, but there isn't that much hard information it it (should be in the wiki anyway)
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19:04:19TheSevenbertrik: basically there isn't much information on that target at all
19:04:41TheSevenall we know is that it has an SPI boot flash and is vulnerable to planetbeing's exploit
19:05:04TheSevenit's a samsung s5l8702 soc, containing an arm926ej-s core
19:06:01bertrikxtrender, there's isn't much of procedure to start a new port, just check out the NewPort wiki page, get the toolchain and the sources, subscribe to rockbox-dev mailing list (announce your intention for the port) and start hacking
19:06:17TheSevenwe don't know more than that. (well, we have some scans of the pcb and the soc's die, but that probably won't help you)
19:06:40xtrenderhmm...
19:06:54bertrikThose scans and the info about the SoC is good stuff for the nano 3g wiki page
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19:07:20TheSeventhat's lots of megabytes
19:07:33TheSevenstooo, our hardware guru, xrayed that chip several times :-)
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19:08:36TheSevenxtrender: the next step would be figuring out how to access the boot flash, b the aes coprocessor
19:08:50TheSevens@, b@ and@
19:09:02xtrendernow i have a lots of exams at university..
19:09:52xtrenderfirst i'll gather some info then i'll try something this summer..
19:09:53TheSevenonce we are able to dump the second-stage bootloader and diagmode, we should be able to figure out most of the drivers from their disassemblies
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19:25:08funmanbertrik: no bug report for rtc wakeup
19:26:44ranmafunman: I think I found the reason for write errors in 4bit mode, working on fixing it.
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19:36:54ranmafunman: When a tx underflow happens during write, some data is still stuck in the fifo. On the retry this is 'prepended' to the real data and the retried write gets corrupted
19:37:20ranmaProbably triggers only in 4bit mode, since the higher data rate makes a tx underflow more likely
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19:39:03funmanso we need to reset the controller?
19:40:07ranmaNo, the fifo. Writing 0 to MCI_DATA_CTRL should do that.
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19:52:56saratogafunman, dfkt: I added Tim Graf because he sent me the original patch and spotted a bug in my revised version, i didn't add dfkt because I thought credits was only if I used someones code, so I just thanked him in the commit message
19:53:39saratogabut i'm actually not clear on how this is supposed to work, so that may have been wrong
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19:56:32bertrikfunman, I'll open a FS bug for the RTC wakeup powerdown problem, ok?
19:58:02bertrikTo me it seems that the state after wakeup by alarm is different from normal powerup. I tried reading and writing register 0x24 (IRQENRD) to clear any pending state, but it didn't help.
19:59:09bertrikNext thing I'll try is to reset the wakeup enable bit first, before writing the new wakeup time + enable bit.
19:59:24ranmaHmm, writing 0 to MCI_DATA_CTRL didn't fix it. But it definitively the rety after a tx underrun going wrong.
19:59:49bertrikWhat does a tx underrun really mean?
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20:00:03bertrikThe SD controller wanted data, but we couldn't provide it fast enough?
20:00:09ranmadma was not fast enough to refill the sd controller data
20:00:21ranma+ffifo
20:00:42bertrikCan't the controller just wait for more data to arrive instead of erroring out (maybe a silly question)?
20:01:21ranmaIt could if it would just stop the sd clock (pxa controller does that IIRC), but this one doesn't
20:02:59bertrikCould it be that the DMA engine is clocked a bit too low and have insufficient margin?
20:03:10funmanranma: try larger burst?
20:03:34funmansaratoga: CREDITS say "People that have contributed to the project, one way or another"
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20:05:30saratogaah ok then I should have added him
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20:16:35ranmafunman: The burst is already fifosize/2
20:16:52S_a_i_n_twow...there is something SERIOUSLY wrong with the sound in Doom on Nano2g
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20:19:59S_a_i_n_tchecked on Nano1g and the sound is the usual brand of "bad, but the type of bad thats acceptable", on Nano2g it is pure fail.
20:21:45ranmaHmm, the problem might rather be on the dma controller end. It also has internal fifos, and it's still active (Channel enable bit still 1, and active bit 1) after the failed write.
20:22:15*S_a_i_n_t blames FS #11404 for the doom sound failure.
20:22:22ranmaAlso: 'Internal four-word FIFO' matches exactly the number of words that shouldn't be there
20:23:12ranmaNow trying a patch that sets DMAC_CH_CONFIGURATION(0) to 0 to abort the active channel
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20:40:57funmanyou mean, dma_disable_channel(0) ?
20:41:07bertrikranma, oh nice find
20:42:41funmanS_a_i_n_t: i don't remember hearing doom music but i didn't try very hard
20:43:09CIA-6New commit by 03bieber (r27110): Theme Editor: Added settingsChanged() signal to DeviceState class
20:43:47S_a_i_n_tIt doesn't seem to work for FreeDoom, but I seem to remember it working in Doom/Doom2...anyway, its not the music that is the problem
20:43:53S_a_i_n_tits the sound effects.
20:44:02S_a_i_n_tand *probably* the music, if it worked.
20:44:45S_a_i_n_tI tried running Freedom on Nano1 and 2g at the same time, and the sound on the 2g is utterly repulsive.
20:44:45CIA-6r27110 build result: All green
20:46:41S_a_i_n_tDoes rockbox have a Nano2g to throw around? I mean, for devs to pass around and work on if needed?
20:46:53S_a_i_n_tI have several, and would be willing to ship one for the cause.
20:48:06CIA-6New commit by 03Buschel (r27111): Housekeeping. Comment musepack code seqments unused in rockbox.
20:49:39CIA-6r27111 build result: All green
20:52:49funmanTheSeven: any idea why 11.025 / 22.05 kHz doesn't work on nano2g? it looks supported by the driver
20:53:22*TheSeven remembers some things being commented, but apart from that, can't think of any reason
20:54:06S_a_i_n_tIf someone was to chuck me a file encoded at said sample rate I could see if it works with normal playback.
20:54:26funmanffmpeg -i file -r 22050 out.mp3
20:54:26S_a_i_n_t*file(s)/*rate(s)
20:55:06CIA-6New commit by 03bieber (r27112): Theme Editor: Renderer now allows multiple viewports to share an identifier
20:55:08S_a_i_n_tBah, S_a_i_n_t guesses he need download ffmpeg now then :P
20:56:34CIA-6r27112 build result: All green
20:57:14CIA-6New commit by 03ranma (r27113): Fix the pesky write corruption bug in 4bit mode. ...
20:58:06S_a_i_n_tHmmm, I'm chasing too many things at once now. I'm going to assume that the original poster did his homework regarding the samplerate.
20:58:43CIA-6r27113 build result: 63 errors, 21 warnings (ranma committed)
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21:02:15pamaurydid someone broke make/configure ? If I do make reconf, I get [ERROR] Option 'c' unsupported and the same for T
21:02:20funmanclipv1: data abort in iso_decode() (default_codepage = 0xDE000000)
21:03:21funmanpamaury: works here
21:03:34Jeromworks here too
21:04:24pamauryOk I got it, configure doesn't support severals options separated by space anymore
21:04:46pamaurythat's strange
21:04:52pamauryI'm pretty it did before
21:07:03pixelmayou don't need to separate these by commas
21:07:09pixelmaerrr... space
21:08:20pamauryI mean, before I did separate them by a space, and I haven't reconfigure my e200 build for days so something changed
21:12:16CIA-6New commit by 03ranma (r27114): Fix sd-as3525.c build for non-multidrive targets
21:12:43domonoky1bieber: i cant compile the svn themeeditor, looks like you forgot to commit the devicestate.ui file..
21:13:18bieberI actually deleted that, nothing should be using it any more
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21:14:02bieberOh, looks like it got left in the .pro file, probably didn't get removed from my local filesystem too. Lemme fix that
21:14:24domonoky1devicestate.cpp also uses it..
21:14:49CIA-6New commit by 03ranma (r27115): Add transfer timeout, remove unused buf field
21:14:49bieberWait, no, it's deleted from my filesystem, nothing on SVN should be using it
21:15:07domonoky1the .pro file doesnt mention it, but devicestate.cpp does.
21:15:15bieberOhhh, I found it
21:15:28bieberOne of the intermediate build files was still hanging around, so my local copy wasn't erroring out
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21:15:50domonoky1:-)
21:16:27CIA-6r27115 build result: All green
21:16:50CIA-6New commit by 03bieber (r27116): Theme Editor: Removed dependency on lingering file from devicestate.cpp, fixed formatting in device state panel, working on tag list for device panel
21:17:15domonoky1build servers for our host-side tools would be cool :-)
21:18:35CIA-6r27116 build result: All green
21:23:45bieberOr at least telling the normal build server not to rebuild everything when the host-side tools change :P
21:24:06gevaertswhy?
21:24:26gevaertsRebuilding takes less than two minutes
21:24:37bieberTrue
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21:31:42*domonoky1 wonders why the device-options dialog, ie screensize and id3 info is done the way its done. If the textfile describing the ui gets compiled in, where is the benefit over defining the info in some sort of code (a array, or a list,etc) ?
21:33:28domonoky1and it would be nice, if at least the id3info could also aviable as dock-able windows :-)
21:35:08domonoky1but otherwise this theme is looking good..
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21:36:22simonrvnthe theme editor makes it easier to visualise what's going on with the tags (i'm very visual, and learn that way too). i made a nice bear-themed one based on a picture i did a while ago.
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21:41:25bieberdomonoky1: I was just aiming for something a little easier to configure without digging into the code
21:41:33domonoky1:-)
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21:43:19bieberI've thought about doing dockable windows, but I don't want to completely clutter the side space in the main window. I wonder if dock widgets can dock to different windows...the I could let the user break tabs off from the config dialog and attach them to the main window
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21:55:36S_a_i_n_tHmmmm, is there now way to display the "next track" filename?
21:55:45S_a_i_n_t*s/now/no/
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21:56:09bieber%Fm
21:56:27S_a_i_n_t*facepalm*
21:56:34S_a_i_n_thidden in plain view...thanks.
21:56:45bieberHaha, I just added that one to the config list
21:56:51Jerom"Bus 002 Device 017: ID 0781:74c3 SanDisk Corp." nice pamaury
21:56:59S_a_i_n_tawesome, we make a good team :P
21:57:36pamauryJerom: I don't expect it to work reliably for now, especially the set address one. at least it doesn't work reliably on my computer
21:57:54bieberS_a_i_n_t: You tell me how to render tags, and I'll remind you what they are :P
21:57:55JeromI also got some mixed result
21:58:10S_a_i_n_tsounds like a plan ;)
21:58:17JeromBut well it is showing up in lsusb that is still nice :p
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22:00:07pamauryit won't go further, I did not implement the request endpoint code. And the mps is not set correctly. those are minor things. The problem is this control transfers not working reliably.
22:00:29JeromWell I did somewhat code a request endpoint
22:01:27pamauryit's rather trivial actually :) I need to make the code work for high speed and full speed also. I'll see what I can do tomorrow (unsure) or this week end
22:01:30JeromBut I don't know if it's called or anything
22:01:49pamauryIt is called if you have some usb drivers enabled (like HID, UMS, serial, ...)
22:02:04JeromI activated storage I think
22:02:16JeromSo it should a least request a bulk endpoint
22:03:07pamauryThen it is called but fails so the driver is disabled
22:03:08JeromHa nice now it doesn't crash when I plug it off
22:03:08JeromI can read logf at last
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22:03:50JeromHS got a mps of 512 right ?
22:04:53funmanfor bulk only, no ?
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22:05:38JeromI'm not sure
22:06:57pamauryMPS for controls is 64 (for FS and HS), 64 for int FS, 1024 for int HS, 1023 for iso FS, 1024 for iso HS, 64 for bulk FS, 512 for bulk HS
22:06:59pamauryiirc
22:07:23pamauryThat's the maximum for course, you could set a lower value
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22:10:45gevaertsyou can't set anything other than 512 for HS bulk
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22:13:23pamauryyes but you can for FS
22:13:45pamauryfor control HS you can also
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22:21:40fragilematterhey people
22:21:59fragilematterI've got a small simulator build issue to report
22:22:06fragilematteron fedora 13
22:22:08S_a_i_n_tshoot
22:22:27fragilematterthey disabled implicit library linking
22:22:50fragilemattermore info over here https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UnderstandingDSOLinkChange
22:23:04fragilematterand rockbox does need libdl and math
22:23:40funmanis libdl needed on windows and osx?
22:24:00S_a_i_n_tI'm not sure if there's a workaround for your OS disabling things needed by the source to compile.
22:24:17fragilematterit is, by adding -ldl -lm to the linker params
22:24:22ranma Hmm... "Prefetch abort at EA000034 FSR 0xFF (domain 15, fault 15)" First time I got that one...
22:25:23fragilematterI've edited the configure generated Makefile and added them to the "export LDOPTS= -lSDL -lpthread" line, it builds and works just fine
22:26:00fragilematterline 52 on the sansa e200v2 Makefile, I didn't really research which part of the configure script generates that line
22:26:29funmanfragilematter: you happen to know which code needs libm ?
22:26:45fragilematterwait a little, I'll trigger the error once more
22:26:53fragilematterit was a sqrt, in one of the codecs iirc
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22:29:03kugelfragilematter: our codebase shouldn't need libm
22:29:21fragilematterit's when linking the rockboxui executable
22:29:30kugelbut my use-host-libraries change possible introduced a libm dependancy
22:29:38funmanfragilematter: codecs aren't used by rockboxui
22:29:39fragilematterthis is the specific error: "/usr/bin/ld: /home/doru/Development/rockbox/sources/build/firmware/libfirmware.a(button-sdl.o): undefined reference to symbol 'sqrt@@GLIBC_2.0'"
22:29:44funmans/used by/linked with/
22:29:58CIA-6New commit by 03b0hoon (r27117): synaptics: add a small delay in syn_get_data() for PB Vibe. Touchpad doesn't work when build with EABI without it.
22:30:21kugelb0hoon: ping
22:31:33CIA-6r27117 build result: All green
22:32:20b0hoonkugel: pong
22:32:21funmankugel: fragilematter: http://pastie.org/1017808
22:33:23fragilematterI'll test right now
22:34:11kugelb0hoon: you mentioned it in your ci message already, how's eabi working with the vibe?
22:34:41fragilematterthe makefile looks good
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22:37:15b0hoonkugel: it's working ok now however i had a problem with this stupid touchpad :/
22:37:32funmanpamaury: cowon D2 works with eabi no ?
22:39:05fragilematterfunman: it builds and runs
22:39:19b0hoonkugel: it was very strange because other PPs don't have this problem
22:39:35b0hoonkugel: with the synaptics of course...
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22:40:02pamauryfunman: last time I tried yes
22:40:30funmanok we can remove those two, now only ipod4g is left
22:40:33funmandomonoky1: ping
22:42:07*b0hoon thinks that it's time to move the vibe under eabi
22:47:43b0hoonhm, what should go first: /tools/configure or builds?
22:49:25gevaertsbuilds
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22:55:32b0hoongevaerts: thx
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22:58:08CIA-6New commit by 03funman (r27118): Simulator: explicitely link with libdl and libm
22:59:32CIA-6New commit by 03b0hoon (r27119): Buildserver: Build PB Vibe 500 with EABI.
22:59:43CIA-6r27118 build result: All green
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23:00:31funmanperhaps we should make configure output the warning on stderr
23:01:07gevaertswhich warning?
23:01:17gevaertsthe eabi one?
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23:01:35CIA-6New commit by 03b0hoon (r27120): Build PB Vibe 500 with EABI.
23:03:03CIA-6New commit by 03bieber (r27121): Theme Editor: Added (I think) all of the tags to the device configuration window
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23:04:29piggzhi, is there a list of themes that work well with the current build?
23:04:50CIA-6r27121 build result: All green
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23:07:54gevaertspiggz: the themes marked as "works with current build" on the theme site should work. There's no more detailed list
23:08:25piggzcabbie3 was marked as should work, but the main play window didnt seem to
23:10:06funmangevaerts: yes, perhaps the yellow would make more people harass domonoky1 ;)
23:10:21gevaertsright :)
23:10:38*domonoky1 looks up..
23:11:26CIA-6New commit by 03funman (r27122): Buildserver: Build Cowon D2 with EABI
23:12:13domonoky1can someone build me a eabi 4g build ? (i dont have the toolchain installed at moment)
23:12:47funmandomonoky1: sure
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23:17:25funmandomonoky1: http://rafael.carre.perso.sfr.fr/rockbox.zip
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23:24:53domonoky1funman, looks like the buttons dont work anymore with this build :-) scrollwheel works but no buttons.
23:27:17CIA-6New commit by 03funman (r27123): Build cowond2 with gcc-eabi
23:28:58funmanweird, other ipods use the same file
23:29:02CIA-6r27123 build result: All green
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23:32:03CIA-6New commit by 03b0hoon (r27124): Philips HDD6330: correct the number of memmory.
23:33:08funmanah no, there is a ipod_4g_button_read() function
23:33:17funman(with an #ifdef CPU_PP in it)
23:33:34CIA-6r27124 build result: All green
23:34:52funmanlooks like ipods 4g, video, color, nano1g, nano2g, mini2g all use 'ipod_4g_button_read()'
23:35:42CIA-6New commit by 03b0hoon (r27125): fix typo in comment.
23:36:25funmandomonoky1: http://rafael.carre.perso.sfr.fr/rockbox.ipod
23:36:32domonoky1funman: maybe its just my dieing 4g ipod. ?
23:36:56funmando you remember which revision you had on it ?
23:37:12CIA-6r27125 build result: All green
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23:39:40domonoky1funman: nope, something from devcon :-)
23:44:01domonoky1no changes with the new binary... will test more tomorrow. maybe it works better when the ipod has more power :-)
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23:58:27*bertrik wonders how the as3543 chip knows which byte is supposed to be the first byte written to the WAKEUP register
23:58:46*funman wonders too

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