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#rockbox log for 2010-06-28

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00:06:33CIA-6New commit by 03pamaury (r27161): as3525v2-usb: rework ep listing&xfers cancelling, implement speed reporting, first try at implementing disconnection ...
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00:08:10CIA-6r27161 build result: All green
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01:06:31[blue]sooo, I've got a quick question
01:07:22[blue]It says on the target status page that charging is broken or something
01:07:36[blue]for the ipod 5g
01:08:11[blue]Anyonw know the actual limitations?
01:08:33[blue]anyone**
01:09:14Torneoh, does it still say that?
01:09:24Tornecharging is properly implemented in current builds
01:09:30[blue]nifty nifty
01:09:31Tornenot in the 3.6 release though
01:09:44Tornei'll go update teh port page ;)
01:09:54[blue]<3<3
01:10:12TorneTo charge from an AC adapter you have to change the charging setting to force; see the manual
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01:10:19Tornebut for normal PC connectiosn it just works
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01:11:11[blue]in 3.6? or is it not in the stable release yet?
01:11:24Torneit's not in the stable release
01:11:26Torneit will be in 3.7
01:11:37[blue]Kickin =)
01:11:38Torneyou can use the current build
01:12:18[blue]Wait, to clairfy
01:12:38[blue]charging over usb works? But using an AC adapter doesn't in 3.6?
01:13:26TorneNo, charging does not work at all in 2.6
01:13:28Torneer, 3.6
01:13:36[blue]ahhhh
01:13:47Tornein current builds, USB hosts charge properly, AC adapters need a setting because we haven't got detection for that yet
01:14:24[blue]Context Menu
01:14:31Tornewhere on the wiki does it mention the charging issue, btw?
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01:15:16[blue]The only place I saw a "No" was on the target status page
01:15:25Torneah ok
01:15:59Tornei'll change that
01:18:33[blue]also, =P
01:18:45[blue]Any news on when 3.7 is going to be released?
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01:19:11[blue]I'm assuming...
01:19:17dfktsometimes before 3.8 is going to be released
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01:19:21[blue]Not too soon, just noticed 3.6 was like this month
01:20:12Torneyah, it's on a schedule
01:20:23Tornei forget what the schedule is but you can infer it by looking at the past release dates )
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01:21:00Tornebedtime fo rme tho )
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01:27:56CIA-6New commit by 03mc2739 (r27162): Part of FS #11367 by me: e200v2 enable line out ...
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04:36:39cxoIs there a like a feature/hardware support matrix page? I can't seem to find one
04:38:22cxoI want to buy an mp3 player specifically to use with rockbox, but i cant figure out which one has the best support
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04:54:33Dhraakelliancxo: flash-based or harddrive based?
04:54:33S_a_i_n_tcxo: There is a buyers guide on the wiki
04:54:41Dhraakelliantactile or touch?
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04:55:32saratogacxo: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/BuyersGuide
04:55:41S_a_i_n_tAnyone elses opinion is well, someone elses opinion. you know what you need better than anyone else.
04:55:44saratogaalthough its missing the newest sandisk players
04:56:11Dhraakellianif you're in the US, there's an 8GB Sansa Fuze on http://sellout.woot.com for the next two hours
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04:56:25Dhraakellianfor $45 (after shipping)
04:56:53Dhraakellian<personal opinion>Those things are friggin' awesome</personal opinion>
04:57:36S_a_i_n_tthe Fuze is a bit too big for me personally :/
04:57:48Dhraakellianit's lighter than the e200
04:58:13Dhraakellianand smaller than the classic form-factor, non-nano/mini iPods
04:58:13saratogaif you don't need a color screen or scroll wheel, the clip+ is probably the better choice
04:58:33Dhraakelliansaratoga: but the Fuze is on woot today
04:58:47Dhraakellian'though, if you keep an eye on Woot, they generally do have Sansas from time to time
04:59:55cxoreal buttons please and flash too
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05:00:12cxoSNR is important too
05:00:38saratogabuy that fuze then
05:00:40Dhraakelliancxo: and the modern Sansas get glowing reviews about their sound quality
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05:01:22Dhraakelliandoes SanDisk still make the FuzeV2s?
05:02:38cxoThats funny, not a single supported player is still in production according to that table
05:03:02Dhraakelliancxo: which is why I was asking if SanDisk still makes the newer-revision Fuzes
05:03:33Dhraakellianoh, and I'd be surprised if the Clip+ has been discontinued already
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05:04:37Dhraakellianbut they're just supported/unstable (though already quite usable!) rather than supported/stable
05:04:56jhMikeSdoes an OF revision of 02.02.26A mean the fuse is a v2?
05:05:06saratogajhMikeS: yes
05:05:07DhraakellianjhMikeS: yes.
05:05:14jhMikeSthanks
05:05:15saratogathe fuze and clip+ are still in production
05:05:18S_a_i_n_tit's still *really* easy to get your paws on a Nano2G, though the Nano1G is becomming quite rare now.
05:05:47DhraakellianS_a_i_n_t: but the µSD and fm tuner are just so nice to have
05:05:57cxoWhere is the feature list table for rockbox?
05:05:59Dhraakellianand voice mic
05:06:38S_a_i_n_tDhraakellian: FM and Voice mic are available for Nano1/2G...just, not without additional hardware.
05:06:58S_a_i_n_tA pity yes, but hardly a turnoff for me at least.
05:07:25Dhraakellianthen that just leaves the µSD slot
05:08:07S_a_i_n_t"bah!" S_a_i_n_t laughs in the face of removable storage ;)
05:08:30Dhraakelliancxo: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/FeatureComparison comes to mind off the top of my head
05:08:35Dhraakellianheh
05:08:42cxoThanks
05:09:07S_a_i_n_tPluginIndex is pretty cool too, to show what your player can/cannot run.
05:09:11*cxo wonders why he couldnt find that stuff
05:09:14S_a_i_n_t(in the way of plugins)
05:10:04*Dhraakellian seems to remember the Lyre project being 100% removable based, but he could be mistaken
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05:10:50S_a_i_n_tLyre seems to be a bit of a myth, every now and them someone revives it...then dissappears.
05:10:52cxoWhere are the screenshots?
05:11:04S_a_i_n_tcxo: In the manual.
05:11:29cxook
05:11:43DhraakellianS_a_i_n_t: well, when I got the Clip+ from Woot a couple weeks ago as a backup DAP, it was really nice to just pop the 8GB card out of my Fuze and into the Clip+ to test it out
05:12:20Dhraakellianbut, before this veers any more off topic...
05:12:30S_a_i_n_tI agree its nice, but, its not a selling point for me. I appreciate form factor more. There seems to be a lot of wasted interior space in the Fuze.
05:13:03Dhraakellianyeah, if they can fit the same functionality minus wheel and screen into the clip form factor...
05:13:13S_a_i_n_tyep.
05:13:32Dhraakellianbut I like having the real screen and the wheel instead of volume buttons
05:13:44Dhraakellianand it also fits in my hand more comfortably than the clip
05:14:06Dhraakellianand I also prefer the hold/power slider over the system the Clip+ uses
05:16:09cxoI think battery life is much better in the Fuze
05:16:16S_a_i_n_tDoes checkwps check fonts in the fontpack?
05:16:21S_a_i_n_tit *should* right?
05:16:43*S_a_i_n_t is puzzled by: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=25174.msg168833#msg168833
05:16:44Dhraakelliancxo: I dunno. I benched my clip+ at almost exactly 15 hours with q6 Ogg Vorbis
05:17:09Dhraakellianhaven't benched the Fuze recently, but 10-12 is the number I've seen quoted
05:17:23Dhraakellianhave there been efficiency improvements since that stat was reached?
05:17:58Dhraakellian(this is with Rockbox, of course. I haven't tested it with the OF, and I'd take SanDisk's battery claims with a grain of salt)
05:18:01S_a_i_n_tPass. The Clip(s) are definitelt kicking ass over the OF in terms of batter life now.
05:19:40cxoWell Sansa quoted times for the Fuze are better than 2x the Clip+
05:20:00DhraakellianS_a_i_n_t: more efficient hardware than the Fuze? Or are the optimization tweaks better understood on the Clip(+) than the Fuze?
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05:20:25S_a_i_n_tDhraakellian: That's a question for funman I imagine...
05:20:49*Dhraakellian wonders how much the lcd+backlight vs. oled(?) part factors in
05:21:55S_a_i_n_tJdGordon: Checkwps checks font names in the fontpack...yes?
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05:26:52saratogaFuze v1 gets bad battery life in rockbox for some reason
05:27:09saratogaall the amsv1 devices do, while amsv2 devices get better then the OF mostly
05:27:20Dhraakellian:(
05:27:33saratogain theory the amsv2 devices should be a little better then the amsv1 as well, though nothing major
05:27:51Dhraakellianso the clipV1 has poor battery life too?
05:28:02saratogayeah
05:28:22Dhraakellianand the e200v2 worse than the e200v1?
05:28:40saratogacorrect
05:28:55Dhraakellianespecially with multithreaded stuff, I'm guessing, since, iirc, the e200v1 is dual-processor?
05:29:00saratogayeah
05:29:11saratogai spent years optimizing for the e200v1, it'll be a while before the v2 beats it
05:29:28jhMikeSfuze v2 install went through pretty smoothly and boots pretty darn fast. is it normal for the top few pixel rows to be hidden on the lcd bezel?
05:29:35saratogayeah
05:29:43*Dhraakellian was a bit peeved when the e200v1 ogg decoder lost its throne to the multi-threaded mp3 decoder
05:29:48saratogawell maybe not desired, but pretty common
05:30:06saratogait was already slower then the wma decoder
05:30:15DhraakellianjhMikeS: my recommendation would be to move the statusbar to the bottom
05:30:19cxorockbox has multi-threading?
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05:30:29saratogaof course, its an operating system
05:30:34saratogahard to have one of those with just one thread
05:30:39jhMikeSDhraakellian: thanks. never had to think about it before. :)
05:31:04DhraakellianjhMikeS: yeah, you still lose a couple pixels at most viewing angles, but it's less obvious
05:31:16Dhraakellian...or use a theme that places things a little lower
05:31:31saratogaon dual core targets mp3, spc and mpeg will use both cores as well
05:32:17Dhraakelliansaratoga: but it was nice to point to Rockbox when the naysayers claimed that Ogg Vorbis decoding was überslow compared to mp3
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05:33:09jhMikeSbottom statusbar isn't so bad, just looks weird atm
05:33:24DhraakellianjhMikeS: you get used to it. after a while, top statusbar will look strange to you
05:33:44S_a_i_n_tget a theme wotha propper .sbs ;)
05:33:52*Dhraakellian is the same way with desktops: taskbar/panel on the bottom just looks... strange to him
05:33:57S_a_i_n_tthen, statusbar will look weird fullstop.
05:34:10Dhraakellianheh. I'm partial to BlueBlackness
05:34:14S_a_i_n_twotha? errr..."with a"
05:34:35DhraakellianS_a_i_n_t: wotha heck was that?
05:35:52DhraakellianI still need to get around to making that moodbar-compatible wps taking heavy inspiration from the e200's PlainText
05:35:53jhMikeSsaratoga: fft plugin as well uses the COP
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05:36:35Dhraakellianoh, and I would like to thank the dev(s) responsible for bringing USB support to the FuzeV1
05:37:11Dhraakelliansince that obviates the battery issue a tad by making it less of a tanj frell hassle to run the thing off of USB power
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06:04:12Dhraakelliancxo: did you come to any sort of decision?
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06:24:07jhMikeShrm...fuze v2 doesn't come out of hold mode properly or is that intentional somehow?
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06:32:09cxoDhraakellian, ah not really. It was for the car. I really hate the state of currently available head units.
06:32:40Dhraakellianah
06:32:49cxoNeed something with really good battery life. I'm using an Archos 605 right now and I dont think i get even 2hours with it
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06:32:59cxoif i use it for 15mins each time and switch it off
06:33:10cxoit doesnt really switch off, it only goes into a suspend
06:33:10Dhraakellianwell, a cigarette−−>USB power adapter can help with that
06:33:20cxoyeah, dont like all the wires
06:33:23Dhraakellianheh
06:34:12DhraakellianClip+ with a small bit of velcro on the clip and a short cable to the head unit's aux in?
06:34:44Dhraakellian(which reminds me, I really need to get a fit kit for the aftermarket headunit I have sitting on the shelf downstairs)
06:40:22S_a_i_n_twireless AV kits can be reasonably cheap...though, this is a sliding scale of offtopicness.
06:40:47S_a_i_n_t(tiny reciever in the dash, hide the DAP somewhere that works well for you.)
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06:43:09cxoDo you have a link for these wireless kits?
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06:45:08Dhraakelliancxo: tape adapter would be less annoying, I'd think
06:45:12S_a_i_n_tNot in particular. Google for "wireless AV send" (or similar) I picked mine up for under $30
06:45:18Dhraakelliandirect aux in even better
06:45:38Dhraakellianhead unit running Rockbox doubleplusbetter
06:45:51Dhraakellianhmm...
06:46:17Dhraakelliandash-mounted D2 with a custom LOD?
06:46:33S_a_i_n_tdash mounted mini2440
06:46:41S_a_i_n_t== Awesome :D
06:46:48*Dhraakellian isn't overly familiar with non-Sansa targets
06:47:10Dhraakellianwas going with the D2 because of the reasonably-sized touchscreen aspect
06:47:13Dhraakellianoslt
06:47:28cxoThe DACs in most head units these days are pretty good, its just the interface sucks, both looks and usability
06:47:35S_a_i_n_tmini2440 can have a 7" screen IIRC
06:48:09cxoI dont like the idea of touchscreen head units in a car. I'd much prefer something with buttons, so that it can be operated without looking at the unit
06:48:09S_a_i_n_tDhraakellian: Since its an RB target also :http://www.friendlyarm.net/products/mini2440
06:48:27S_a_i_n_tmini2400 == PITA, but, pure awesomeness.
06:49:11Dhraakellianheh
06:50:08Dhraakelliancxo: hmm... probably something without a wheel, then, if you don't want long wires that would let you actually hold it in hand
06:50:33*Dhraakellian actually thinks he might try that ClipPlus+velcro idea
06:50:58Dhraakellianfile down the nubs where the clip broke off
06:56:14S_a_i_n_tDhraakellian: Did you check out the specs for the mini2440? stack that up next to your favourite dedicated DAP and compare specs.
06:56:22S_a_i_n_tand, its only 10x10cm
06:56:56S_a_i_n_twell, the mainboard is, it can have up to a 7" screen..possibly even 11" IIRC
06:59:49Dhraakellianalas, no, I only glanced
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07:00:08S_a_i_n_t*and* it runs Android ;)
07:00:25S_a_i_n_tit really is a beast...but, a little bit of a waste for just a DAP.
07:00:48S_a_i_n_tits a "Single-Board Computer"
07:01:02S_a_i_n_t(they really mean that too...)
07:01:40S_a_i_n_tAndroid support makes it one of the likely candidates for RAaA
07:02:04S_a_i_n_t(at least two devs here have one IIRC)
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07:23:26saratogais android actually useful on an arm9 core?
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08:21:29amiconnsaratoga: On PP the greylib optionally uses the COP as well
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08:28:07CIA-6New commit by 03Buschel (r27163): Remove unneeded libmad files from build.
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08:32:57saratogaBuschel: FWIW I don't think libmad is ever going to be updated again, so feel free to remove any bits you dislike :)
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08:35:56jhMikeSsaratoga: libmad is finished/abandoned by the original authors?
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08:36:23saratogajhMikeS: last release was 2004 I think
08:36:57jhMikeSah...well, if it's perfect what's there to change? :P
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08:38:59saratogai suppose mp3 decoding is mostly a solved problem
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09:11:15bor_karanma, hello!
09:11:33bor_karanma, 4bit bus - revenge of the sansas...
09:11:38bor_kaFuze v1, r27128 (with 4bit wide bus). There are heavy playback glitches on mp3 - 320. When playing from the mSD - all is Ok. But when playing from the internal memory, after ~ 3-4 mins of playback skips happen: about 0.5 - 1 sec from another track, then playback continues as usual. It is definitely not garbage, but parts from other track, since I hear woman's vocal on the tracks, where it shouldn't be. I've rebuild r27128 with the 4bit initialization
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10:01:04CrankHunt3rhello dudes!
10:03:31CrankHunt3rI've heard of your project and as a opensource-user and -developer I think you do a great job ... now to my question: I posses a "Watson MP3184-9" and I didn't find any version of rockbox for him! How can I build an image for my player?
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10:09:35bor_kaCrankHunt3r, I think, that if there is no version - then nobody made a port.
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10:11:22pixelmaRockbox needs to be adapted for each piece of hardware. You would need to start a new port for your device - find out about the hardware it uses and start from there
10:11:25Michunless that DAP is a direct clone of another DAP that is supported, can't really build rockbox and expect it work. Needs to be able to directly support the hardware in the DAP.
10:11:49Michand what pixelma said :)
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10:59:19CrankHunt3rokay I understand
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11:01:04CrankHunt3rhow can I find something about the hardware? Do you use some kind of hardwarescanner?
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11:06:25pixelmausually by opening the player and look for the chips... oh, another thing necessary for a port is finding out how to load and run custom code on your unit. Theres a page about porting in our wiki, called NewPort
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11:15:42CrankHunt3rokay thx .. when I opened the player and looked at the systeminformation I see just "chip: 07" and also the free and avaiable memory
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11:18:59TorneCrankHunt3r: We mean open as in take it apart and look at the internals
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11:25:12CrankHunt3rjep I got it after reading the wikipart, called NewPort
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11:47:43ranmabor_ka: Your line was too long. Last I see is "I've rebuild r27128 with the 4bit initialization" and it cuts off there
11:47:58CIA-6r27164 build result: All green
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11:49:37ranmabor_ka: I don't see how 4bit could cause the problem you describe, it sounds like it does a read from the wrong sectors, but the sector address is part of the command, which is transfered on the cmd line (1bit), unaffected by 4bit mode
11:51:33bor_karanma, I either, but...
11:51:43bor_kaI've rebuild r27128 with the 4bit initialization commented out - all is Ok, both from mSD and internal memory.
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11:52:12bor_kaThat is, I have two build, one with the 4bit widebus initialization on, one with "off"
11:52:23bor_kathe first one skips, the second one - not
11:54:26bor_kaBTW, I have option "gather runtime data" in the database on - may it be so, that permanent writes to the internal memroy somehow corrupts read buffer or address?
11:54:50bor_kawill try without this option in a hour
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12:05:16bor_kaIt appears, that without the "gather runtime data" option, there are no "wrong reads"
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13:55:21wodzpixelma: ping
13:56:56ucchanThere are some questions about the statusbar on the plugin. see: http://pastebin.com/kE3wrsdJ
13:57:21ucchanthe above plugin is very simple plugin. (statusbar draw only).
13:57:37ucchanQ1) does not update battery and clock. How can I modify it, the battery/clock is changed ?
13:58:02ucchanQ2) when the global setting is STATUSBAR_OFF, can the statusbar be displayed from it ?
13:58:18ucchanplease someone help me.
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14:02:24pixelmawodz: pong
14:05:10wodzpixelma: how test on ondio going?
14:13:52pixelmasorry, haven't tested much (or used any of my targets much last week). Only one "session" of about 1 hour straight listening which went well. Looks good so far, I'd like to test some recording too though
14:14:25wodzok
14:30:47bor_karanma, any ideas why there are incorrect reads, if there is simultaneous reads and writes from the internal memory with the 4bit bus enabled?
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14:41:05ranmabor_ka: No. I tried reproducing it, but I don't see any problems with "gather runtime data" enabled, but my C200v2 is one of the targets with very little memory, which might have an influence here
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14:46:18S_a_i_n_tAnyone happen to have the Apple iPod Updater 2006-01-10 lying around?
14:47:44bor_karanma, Ok, c200v2 and fuze are a little bit different, I think
14:49:18bor_kamay be funman will get it
14:50:47bor_kabtw, is it possible, to make 2 reads in a row and abort, if they are different - like you have made with writes? It will slow the player considerably, but, may be we will get it?
14:51:11ranmabor_ka: I'm writing you just a patch now :)
14:51:52bor_kaOk, thanks!
14:53:20bor_kano, "gather" doesn't help 100% - there were no glithces for almost an album, but instead different song start playing, and the player just locked up. Without any abort screen :/
14:54:10bor_kathat is, with "gather" off it is better, but the problem is not fixed
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15:01:49ranmabor_ka: http://pastebin.com/NYaXJFmR
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15:10:13funmandid you find what was wrong with dynamic bus width?
15:11:20bor_karanma, got it, but it says "patch unexpectedly ends in middle of line \n Hunk #4 succeeded at 951 with fuzz 1. "
15:11:43bor_kadon't know what it is - will patch by hand :)
15:11:45funmanbor_ka: that's ok, usually it comes from the pastebin website
15:12:09funmanwhich adds/removes line endings. If the hunk 'succeeded' it should be allright (just check with svn diff that everything is here)
15:12:22bor_kafunman, but it said only abou 1 hunk, but there were 4
15:13:12bor_kaok, all seems to be ok
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15:27:01bor_kaOk, goneranma, imeediately got "PANIC: sd_set_widebus: tran" on bott
15:27:07bor_kabott -> boot
15:33:11bor_karanma, can't get past boot, restoring old rockbox.sansa via OF
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15:37:31S_a_i_n_tJdGordon; Around?
15:40:36ranmabor_ka: Hmm, it booted fine here...
15:41:22bor_karanma, updating to 27165 - I have made it on 27128
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15:48:05S_a_i_n_tpixelma: ping?
15:50:06ranmabor_ka: Slightly modifed to show more info when wait_for_tran_state failes: http://pastebin.com/iYRii7Zs
15:52:16pixelmaS_a_i_n_t: pong
15:52:48S_a_i_n_tpixelma: Is it possible to show a "playbar" for the tuner frequency in the .fms?
15:53:07*S_a_i_n_t has not played with .fms much
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15:53:59mc2739S_a_i_n_t: yes, use %pb with normal syntax
15:54:06S_a_i_n_tthankyou.
15:54:20S_a_i_n_tthe wiki/manual really should include that.
15:54:23bor_karanma, got r27165 - again, PANIC in sd_set_widebus : tran on boot
15:54:30S_a_i_n_tI'll add it after I finish playing around.
15:55:02mc2739it uses the regions minimum and maximum frequencies for the outer limits and adjusts the bar for the current frequency
15:55:20*pixelma deletes answer
15:55:21S_a_i_n_tthankyou kindly.
15:55:34S_a_i_n_tsorry pixelma ;)
15:55:39S_a_i_n_tmc2739 beat you.
15:55:49S_a_i_n_tnext time, promise.
15:55:52*mc2739 is sorry, also
15:55:53*pixelma feels beaten
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16:08:46balintxHi. Does someone using Rockbox on Sandisk Sansa Fuze v2?
16:13:20balintxNobody?
16:13:54funmani think someone uses rockbox on fuzev2, yes. if you have a precise question about it just ask
16:14:21balintx* SansaAMS v2: Until the USB driver is fully operational, file transfer support is provided by booting the Original Firmware when the USB cable is inserted.
16:14:23balintxit says.
16:14:33balintxI have broken my player
16:14:51balintxsadly, i put the usb cable in that weird hole
16:15:16balintxthe screen went black, and i tried a lot of thing to switch on
16:15:24balintxnothing worked. the screen is black
16:16:12mc2739balintx: if you plug in the headphones, do you hear it click or pop?
16:16:41funmanbalintx: read a few lines below on this web page, this situation is explained
16:16:49balintxI try it.
16:16:50balintxwhere should i hear? from the earphones?
16:17:23balintxSorry funman I am very angry and am afraid of losing my fuze :(
16:17:29balintxhttp://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaAMSUnbrick i found only this
16:17:40gevaertsbalintx: what is "that weird hole"?
16:17:56balintxthe usb connector
16:18:01balintxohh lol
16:18:16balintxin the player :P
16:18:20balintxwhere I put the cable.
16:18:41S_a_i_n_tso, the normal place to insert the USB then?
16:18:52mc2739balintx: yes, do you hear a click or pop in the earphones?
16:19:10balintxyes
16:19:16balintxa noise...
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16:19:42balintxyes S_a_i_n_t. I have normally put the usb in.
16:20:05balintxmc2739: when i plug the earphone, it has a pop noise
16:20:11S_a_i_n_tOk, cool. Just wondered what "that weird hole" was.
16:21:02balintxa very low pop
16:21:07mc2739balintx: This is the problem funman has referenced. You will have to wait for the battery to drain (no more pop noises), and then when you plug in the cable it should power on and charge
16:21:18balintxlol
16:21:21balintxhow to do it?
16:21:30balintxit was on 100 % of charge....
16:21:39balintxhow many months is this?
16:21:51S_a_i_n_twait, for quite some time potentially.
16:21:58S_a_i_n_tits days, not months.
16:22:11balintxand, will it work?
16:22:11S_a_i_n_t~2 or 3
16:22:22S_a_i_n_tIt has for others.
16:22:33balintxand why is this?
16:22:42balintxjust rockbox fault of usb?
16:22:53mc2739it will discharge by itself, you cannot do anything to help it go faster
16:23:35balintxSo don't do anything, just wait?
16:23:40S_a_i_n_tyes
16:24:22balintxand if i don't hear the sound, just plug the usb in?
16:24:35balintxdon't hold left button or anything?
16:24:48mc2739balintx: it is possibly the USB. All reports I have seen of this problem come from attaching the USB cable while running Rockbox, but since there have only been just a few reports of this problem, that is not necessarily the real problem.
16:25:22balintxok
16:25:44mc2739balintx, yes, if no noise, do not press power, just attach cable
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16:29:23balintxhttp://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=24992.msg168026 - sorry. I didn't search for it. But thanks for help.
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17:19:29sunshinefirst: i'm trying to use rockbox on a 5.5 gen 80 gig iPod video, which is marked as "stable," and my OS is Ubuntu 9.10
17:20:05sunshinethe problem is, whenever i try to play a song, it plays for about 5 seconds and gives an undefined error with a string of numbers/letters
17:20:14sunshinethere are NO hits on google, whatsoever
17:20:33funmanthe OS version is irrelevant, but the rockbox version is
17:20:44sunshinestable. 3.6
17:20:55sunshinei only mentioned OS in case fixes related to it were going to be for windows ^_^
17:20:56funmantry with a current build and see if it fixes the problem
17:21:03gevaertsfunman: not that :)
17:21:15gevaertssunshine: if I'm allowed to guess, you installed the 80G build, and not the 30GB build, right?
17:21:15funmangevaerts: ?
17:21:22sunshinecorrect
17:21:45gevaertsYou probably have a refurbished model, with a mainboard from a 30GB player. Those have less RAM
17:21:59sunshine...i do, actually.
17:22:04sunshineipodzens.com
17:22:15sunshineshould i try the 30gb build instead?
17:22:15S_a_i_n_tthere we go, gevaerts WIN! ;)
17:22:16funmangevaerts: there's still no way to detect memory size at runtime ?
17:22:17gevaertsTry installing the 30GB build
17:22:52gevaertsfunman: still only ideas
17:23:03S_a_i_n_tdidn't it/or doesn't it still, mention that the builds are to be selected by RAM size and not drive size somewhere?
17:23:10S_a_i_n_tIS it not immediately visible?
17:23:23funmanS_a_i_n_t: it's hard to tell the RAM size by looking at the player i think
17:23:36S_a_i_n_tCan RButil detect it?
17:23:42*S_a_i_n_t has never used RButil
17:24:12gevaertsIt can detect it I think, but I'm not sure if it does
17:24:21S_a_i_n_tAh.
17:24:28funmandifferent USB PIDs ?
17:24:30sunshinei believe i had to set mine to 80gb
17:24:40sunshineit detected the ipod, not the type/which build to use
17:25:01gevaertsfunman: no, but a SCSI READ BUFFER command that returns a bunch of xml which includes this info
17:25:34funmanah, it seems XML is always the answer
17:27:22sunshineokay, so i installed the 30gb build. my second problem is, while dicking around with it before, i removed all of my music to see if it was a problem of adding too much at once, and no matter how i try and clear the cache (for lack of a better term), it still shows all the removed artists
17:27:28sunshinei used disktidy
17:27:38sunshinei went through the ./trashes1000 folder
17:27:54funmanremove .rockbox/database_tcd*
17:28:00funmanor reinitialize the database from the menu
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17:29:12sunshinei've also noticed that, even with trying to reinstall multiple times, themes etc stay the same. complete uninstallation and reinstallation included.
17:30:04pixelmaI believe the Rockbox Utility just installs the 30GB build to be on the safe side
17:30:41Torneit used to default to the 30GB one always
17:30:50Tornei dunno if the detection got implemented
17:31:03sunshineonce i get some music on there, i'll test out the 30gb and see if that doesn't fix the problem
17:31:11pixelmasunshine: you installed the 3.6 release version?
17:31:30sunshineyes
17:32:19sunshinewhen i installed, autodetect wasn't really working, it found the mountpoint but not the type of ipod i had
17:32:23S_a_i_n_thow do you mean "themes stay the same"?
17:32:37S_a_i_n_tremoving the .rockbox folder should kill everything.
17:32:37sunshineoh, i applied a theme, and even after what i thought was a freshinstall, the theme was still applied.
17:32:42sunshineah.
17:32:46sunshinetherein lies the problem.
17:32:48pixelmabecause the WPS syntax changed for the themes after the release. New themes won't work with the release version and you get the fallback theme.
17:32:56Torneuninstalling only removes the files that installing created.
17:33:06Torneit doesn't delete your settings, or any themes you downloaded, or any other files.
17:33:09S_a_i_n_t"uninstalling" rockbox with rbutil only removes the bootloader on the iPods
17:33:24sunshineeven if you completely uninstall?
17:33:26TorneS_a_i_n_t: no, it removes the build as well
17:33:30sunshineit says files and everything as well
17:33:36sunshineand then you remove the bootloader separately
17:33:38TorneYes. It removes all the files we installed.
17:33:38pixelmanew and old version themes are both available, I believe recent Rockbox Utility downloads the new ones
17:34:34sunshine...well, will you look at that.
17:34:49sunshinelooks like installing the 30gb build is what i needed all along
17:34:51sunshine>.<
17:35:12sunshinethanks for all the help, everyone.
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17:35:35S_a_i_n_tIt is rather misleading, you assume it refers to drive size (and it foes), but drive size isn't the relevant factor
17:35:43S_a_i_n_t*does
17:36:07sunshinehaha, well, luckily there's somewhere to go and ask for help :)
17:36:18Tornei keep meaning to make it check the ram size at boot
17:36:21Tornehaven't gotten around to it yet
17:36:48S_a_i_n_tI *believe* the manual mentions it, but, I'm sure very few people that use RButil install whilst reading the manual step-by-step.
17:37:41Tornewell, there are really not thta many refurbed ones around, by comparison
17:37:49Tornethis affects very few people
17:38:06sunshineit's fair enough. if it's mentioned in the manual, it's my mistake for not checking on that.
17:39:01sunshinewith that, i'll be off. thanks again for the help and patience!
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17:44:50S_a_i_n_tTorne: How does RButil detect the presence of a previous install? IS it simply looking for a .rockbox folder?
17:45:05Torneit looks for .rockbox/rockbox-info.txt i think
17:46:46S_a_i_n_tis that left behind after an "uninstall"? I always assumed that it left the whole .rockbox folder behind during an uninstall. I haven't used it myself, but the GF does and it always complains about detecting a previous version.
17:47:09S_a_i_n_t(this is after an uninstall)
17:48:48Torneuninstall removes whatever was listed as installed in rbutil.log
17:48:57Torneit doens't look like it removes rbutil.log though ;)
17:49:07Torneand it uses rbutil.log to detect previous installs as well
17:49:14S_a_i_n_tAha.
17:49:28Tornethis seems generally sensible
17:50:13S_a_i_n_tI was wondering, I mentioned it in community the other day, would it be possible to prompt users about the fact that the .rockbox folder is being left behind and give them the opportunity to remove it completely?
17:50:31S_a_i_n_tI have seen a few people express surprise that there are "leftovers"
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17:51:48Torneyes. it is possible.
17:51:50Tornewe await a patch :)
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18:02:52_threeothreehi, anyone ever bricked a clip or clip+ and? does it void the warranty?
18:03:21Torneyes and probabl
18:03:36S_a_i_n_tfunman is our resident "Sansa Bricker". But he isn't around right now.
18:03:40pixelmahummm... why is the Ipod 3G pad (and only that) special in "Mazezam"?
18:03:48Torneyou are not likely to brick it
18:03:56S_a_i_n_tI guess it depends what you were doing when you bricked it.
18:04:06TorneIf you just install rockbox the risk is miniscule :)
18:04:20Torneas long as it doesn't run out of power mid-way through flashing or something, it'll be fine
18:04:48_threeothreeso risk is minimal to brick it while dropping rockbox on it?
18:05:00S_a_i_n_tIndeed.
18:05:28_threeothreecan it only be bricke while installing?
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18:05:49S_a_i_n_tDropping a brick (or similarly heavy object) on it will do it too ;)
18:05:53TorneOnly while installing the bootloader
18:05:56Tornewhich you only have to do once
18:05:58_threeothree:D
18:06:07Torneafter that, you don't need to touch the main firmware image any more
18:06:11S_a_i_n_tAlso, bashing it with a hammer etc.
18:06:25Torneupgrading rockbox and so on is perfectly safe
18:06:39_threeothreeok thanks for the hints ;)
18:07:14S_a_i_n_tJust make sure the battery is well charged before flashing and all should be well.
18:07:34_threeothreeok
18:10:06S_a_i_n_tTorne: What is the status of FS #6272? I see recent(-ish) chatter on the tracker, but the patch is relatively old itself.
18:10:18Tornethe patch works
18:10:26Tornemodulo english.lang always conflicting, of course
18:10:32Tornebut it doesn't do the thing very cleverly
18:10:34S_a_i_n_tOh, wow...never mind. Just found the forum thread about ti. Man, that was random.
18:10:47Tornei worked out with AlexP what to do about it, while at devcon
18:10:53Tornei just haven't gotten around to implementing a new version yet
18:11:05Tornethe current one does work, but behaves slightly weirdly in some respects and makes the menus more complicated
18:11:16Torneso, i want to do it differently before committing.
18:11:43S_a_i_n_tNow worries, I know you're a busy man. I use the patch currently, I was just wondering if it was still in "active" development.
18:11:59Tornewell i've not done it yet
18:12:03Torneso technically no :)
18:12:11Tornebut i intend to
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18:20:52Tornethe runtime for most of the ipods is long enough that even a small drain is a measurable difference, yes
18:21:37Torneaccessory power is something like 0.5-2mA if i remember correctly
18:22:07Tornebut the ipods can manage to get down to 24mA or so with the display turned off...
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18:22:24S_a_i_n_tHmmm. Thanks. So, basically if I seldom use accesories it would pay to bother to enable/disable accessory power rather than leaving it on?
18:22:43Tornewell, you might get half an hour or even an hour if you turn it off..
18:23:08S_a_i_n_tHalf an hour more is half an hour more ;) thanks.
18:23:31bertrikCan we autodetect when to enable accessory power?
18:24:40Torneno
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18:25:00Tornethe original firmware never turns it off
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19:38:41S_a_i_n_tthe uncommented line works fine, the commented lines parse, but don't display a "true" conditon
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19:48:08mc2739rado1: which version of Rockbox are you using?
19:48:36rado1mc2739, I just installed it yesterday from the gui program
19:48:47rado1I use Ubuntu Linux 10.04
19:49:21mc2739are you using the stable release (3.6) or one of the development builds?
19:52:17mc2739rado1: if you go into the System menu and select Rockbox Info, what does the vottom line show?
19:52:39mc2739*bottom
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20:04:52pixelmaS_a_i_n_t: what if you just leave one %s on the line, maybe at the start? Not saying that this is the culprit but as far as I know one would do anyway, more is redundent
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20:05:35S_a_i_n_tpixelma: I tried that...still, I have no idea why it doesn't work.
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20:06:04funmanpamaury: where did you find the settings for CCU_USB_THINGY bits ?
20:06:12S_a_i_n_tNow I'm having to resort to using %pE to switch conditional viewports, instead of having the one viewport with conditional info :/
20:06:17pixelmaS_a_i_n_t: %al isn't needed at all, at least it once was the default and you don't mix alignment on a line
20:06:18pamauryfunman: in the OF
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20:06:50funmanyou remember where? i'm seeing something a bit different on clipv2
20:06:52S_a_i_n_tpixelma: I know, it's my coding style though...old habbits die hard.
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20:07:02pamauryfunman: in audio_int
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20:07:17pamauryit's part of the usb init sequence
20:07:39pixelmaS_a_i_n_t: I have no idea either (and never used %pE
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20:08:08funmanthe function which sets the usb clock div clears bit 20:21 and sets bit 20
20:08:16pamauryI extracted it from the OF version of which you gave me the ida file.
20:08:44pamauryI'm not sure it's from the usb clock function but I can't remember
20:08:57funman0x1A88 in clip+ 1.02.09
20:09:40pamauryI don't have a disassembly of the clip+ unfortunately, but you say it's different between fuzev2 and clip+ ?
20:10:11funmanno i didn't say that
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20:11:16rado1how do I adjust my ipod screen brightness?
20:11:31funmani say when USB peripheral is enabled this function is called and does some stuff with CCU_USB_THINGY bits
20:11:40pixelmarado1: which Ipod do you have?
20:11:53rado1pixelma, mini 1st gen
20:12:00pamauryfunman: ok, wait a minute so I look at the disassembly :)
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20:12:19pixelmarado1: I don't think you can adjust brightness on the Minis
20:12:38rado1:(
20:12:48S_a_i_n_tIck...my %pE conditional viewport solution works...but I *really* don't like having to fix things with ugly code solutions.
20:12:49funmanbtw it's bits 25:24 not 21:20
20:13:02funmanCCU... = (CCU... & 0x3000000) | 0x1000000;
20:13:04S_a_i_n_tAs far as I'm concerned I now have 4 more viewports than I need. :/
20:13:25pixelmaS_a_i_n_t: maybe it's a bug, I don't know
20:14:01S_a_i_n_tA lot of tags seem to be quite "iffy" at the moment. As far as I'm concerned, if it parses, it should work.
20:14:15funmanbtw i just checked that the OF uses 48MHz as USB freq
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20:14:44S_a_i_n_t%t %mh are acting weird in the .fms, and now I find %pE and %pS acting oddly. :/
20:14:52funmanusing 48MHz in rockbox gives me a panic (wrong architecture)
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20:15:15S_a_i_n_tI guess JdGordon has a lot on his plate with the new parser stuff...I really wish I was a better coder and could help more.
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20:15:30rado1pixelma, it seems strange because you can control how long it takes the backlight to fade in
20:15:37pamauryfunman: we found out that the good clock speed is 60Mhz it seems
20:16:11funmanwhat was wrong when using 48MHz ?
20:17:04pamaurywhen using other speed, either usb core don't init properly (all registers are zero => wrong architecture ?) or it's doesn't do data transfers.
20:17:48funmandid you find the OF init code yet?
20:18:00pixelmarado1: yes, but that's done in a quite ineffective way (switching backlight on and off which needs quite some processing power overhead). It's ok for the relatively short fade-in or fade-out duration but always would eat quite a lot battery
20:18:10pixelmaif I remember correctly
20:18:29pamauryfunman: ok so in audio_isr, in my disassembly, at address 0x9878, the OF calls a function which clear bit 12, and then it calls another function which clear which mask 0x300000
20:18:38rado1pixelma, gotcha
20:18:48pamaurys/which/with
20:19:30funmanpamaury: the function i gave you is part of enable_peripheral (called at 0x9740) so technically it should happen before what you are doing
20:19:58pixelmarado1: I know it's unfortunate as the Mini's screen is very bright
20:20:08pamauryand it touches the CCU_USB_THINGY register ?
20:20:49S_a_i_n_tQuestion: What do you think is an appropriate period of time to notify the user about the next track for? And how long before the end of the current track should it display?
20:20:52rado1pixelma, ya I didn't want to wake my wife up with the screen brightness
20:22:00pixelmayou could turn the backlight off and use the voice UI ;)
20:22:18funmanpamaury: 0x9878? which version is that ?
20:23:09rado1pixelma, good point how do I get that going?
20:23:35evilnick_BS_a_i_n_t: I personally like the idea of the Next Track info appearing during the whole of the currently playing track, in case I want to skip forwards, but obviously as space is limited this'd be best as an alternating subline
20:24:34pamauryfunman: 2.01.16a if my files are correct
20:24:45funmanpamaury: http://pastie.org/1022176 : 48MHz, no panics (unable to enumerate, device not accepting address, device descriptor read/64 error -62)
20:24:49S_a_i_n_tevilnick_B: I have it replacing the current track info, with a ehading of "next track" so as not to confuse the hell out of people, that I cal call X seconds before the track ends.
20:24:58pixelmarado1: you just need to get a voice file, voicing should be enabled (it is by default unless you turned it off). By the way, our manual is a nice read and would explain to you how :)
20:25:01S_a_i_n_tI was wondering what an appropriate X seconds is.
20:25:06funmanpamaury: ok, any reason you're not reading Clip+ OF 01.02.09 ?
20:25:24rado1pixelma, thanks
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20:25:41evilnick_BS_a_i_n_t: Sure, which is why I said that I'd *personally* want to see that information straight away, not have to wait for the outro of the first track
20:25:47pamauryfunman: you have the ida file for this version I think
20:25:51pamaury*gave
20:25:57evilnick_B...or whatever arbitrary X value you choose!
20:26:06funmanpamaury: ok this is clipv2. at 0x9878 I only see a NOP though
20:27:02funmani see the functions however
20:27:23pamauryfunman: starting from 0x9878 to 0x9894 it does what I described
20:27:35S_a_i_n_tevilnick_B: I was trying to look for a betetr way to do it, obviously space is an issue on the Nano, and I had users complain the an alternation next/current info display way really confusing.
20:28:04S_a_i_n_tApparently it made them dizzy if it alternated too quickly, and confused them as to which track was up if it alternated too slowly :/
20:28:16pamauryfunman: however you patch is strange: you replace 0x300000 with 0x3000000 whereras I really see 0x300000 in my disassembly. But I don't know where you found the first sequence about CCU_USB_THINGY
20:28:25funmanyeah this hunk is wrong, i'm testing withouyt it
20:28:41evilnick_BS_a_i_n_t: Use whichever value you personally like and they can change it if they are that bothered by it
20:28:43funmanworks too, just ignore the last hunk
20:28:53funmanpamaury: 20:08 < funman> 0x1A88 in clip+ 1.02.09
20:29:00S_a_i_n_tWell, you'd think so ;)
20:29:27S_a_i_n_tSome look at WPS code as a totally foreign language
20:29:30funmanpamaury: 0x191E in clipv2 02.01.16
20:30:25pamauryfunman: okay but from where is it called ? I don't have any call to it in my disassembly
20:30:48evilnick_BS_a_i_n_t: I suppose what I'm trying to say is that you shouldn't be trying to please EVERYONE, as something like the WPS is so subjective that the task is impossible. Just go with what YOU like and either they'll put up or learn how to change it (and it'll be what? A 2/3 character change?!)
20:30:52funmanit's in a table of functions to modify peripheral clock dividers
20:31:01funmantable is at 0x8188
20:31:07pamauryin enable_peripheral ?
20:31:17funmanin a function called by it
20:31:35funman1 function at 0x2040 (called by enable_peripheral() and others)
20:31:58S_a_i_n_tI would have liked it to be very simple to change, but a bug/code not working as I expected made me have to complicate the code to a rather ridiculous degree.
20:32:01funmanone function at 0x1FE8 (called by a bunch of other clock-related functions)
20:32:15pamauryfunman: ok I see it, I missed it the first time it seems
20:32:25S_a_i_n_tIt's "alternating conditional viewport maze hell of doom mega 10,000"
20:32:28pamaurySo the OF uses 48Mhz clock ?
20:32:35funmani believe so
20:32:52pamaurylet me try with you patch, to confirm it works
20:34:33bertrikI thought pamaury already made it work with 60 MHz ?
20:35:30pamauryyeah but funman found out some settings I missed in an unknown register
20:35:35funmantrue but i hope it fails in a different way at 48MHz, so it could help to fix the problem
20:37:06pamauryfunman: with your setting, I don't get any setup interrupt, the same problem as before
20:37:26funmanyou have no msg on the host?
20:37:54pamauryyes I have but I have the usb analyzer which tells me the host sends setup and I have the device which says it does not see setup packet
20:38:04pamauryThis problem was solved by using a 60Mhz clock
20:38:16funmanOTOH the hardware registers are not all zero, right?
20:39:14pamauryyes
20:39:56funmanhow can i check if the setup interrupt happens? is it 'enumdone' ?
20:40:05*gevaerts thinks that 48MHz would be a strange clock to use for usb
20:40:28pamaurynope, you would see lots of messages if a setup packet is received :)
20:40:38funmanpamaury: where?
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20:40:40funmanon the host?
20:40:48pamauryon device, in logf
20:41:07funmani must rebuild for logf; what should i be looking for ?
20:42:12pamaury"usb-drv: setup on EP0 OUT"
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20:42:31pixelmaS_a_i_n_t: the problem with %pE not working reminds me a bit of next track info on hwcodec at all. On these next track info is only available when part of the next track is in the buffer which is due to the small RAM size somewhen within the last 1..1.5 minute(s) of the currently playing track (depending on bitrate and when it actually starts rebuffering). Simply checking for %?Fn fails often, I work around that by forcing the line to regularly
20:42:31pixelma update making it a subline
20:42:34funmangevaerts: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20100621#21:09:47 bertrik thinks 48MHz is not so strange, who should we believe?
20:42:42pamauryI'm trying different settings: 60Mhz, no ccu tweaking in you patch => works
20:42:55pamaury60Mhz, ccu tweaking in your patch => doesn't work
20:43:15gevaertsfunman: the one that gives working results :)
20:43:20funmanso it definitely affects clock
20:43:41gevaertsfunman: 48MHz implies 10 bits per cycle, which looks a bit weird to me
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20:44:06pixelmaS_a_i_n_t: not so nice side effect is though that changing the subline also resets scrolling but I found %t(6) is often quite suitable
20:44:19S_a_i_n_tpixelma: I see that we have fixing bugs with overcomplicated code in common then ;)
20:44:40gevaertsthe transceiver definitely runs at either 30MHz or 60MHz. Of course that's not necessarily visible
20:44:43funmangevaerts: AMSv1 use 48MHz
20:44:48pixelmawith the font I use on this display size
20:44:56S_a_i_n_tThe way I've made this very simple effect work is really not so simple...
20:45:02bertrikI know for sure that there are USB controllers using 48MHz, but it doesn't mean that it can't be 60 MHz for other controllers
20:45:35pixelmaS_a_i_n_t: I think this bug or effect is not so easy to fix, don't know
20:46:02pamauryfunman: no settings work, only 60Mhz without your ccu tweak works, all other combinaison fail
20:46:08S_a_i_n_t%s seems to mess up more things than it should for no good reason.
20:46:17funmanpamaury: perhaps there's another bit missing
20:46:28S_a_i_n_tI understand the scrolling code is quite a nightmare though.
20:47:17pamauryI would tend to say that with have a working combinaison so it doesn't matter :)
20:48:13funmani don't know what exactly the current problem is so i'm just throwing ideas
20:48:45mtff_imdct_half seems to be doing something wrong .. at least in wma pro :(
20:49:09funmantry to rename it ff_imdct_half_pro
20:49:37pamauryMy current problem with usb is setup packet. Something is wrong. For example, I get setup packet interrupt in a state where EP0 is not allowed to receive any data. I suspect there is kind of delayed completion accross usb reset
20:50:46pixelmaS_a_i_n_t: would you try if adding a %t(x) and a ; at the end helps? Maybe it's such an update problem too?
20:52:24S_a_i_n_tpixelma: I actually tried that. "%?pE(10)<A|B>" works fine. But "%?pE(10)<%?Ia<%s%al%Ia|%s%al%D(1)>|%?id<%s%al%id|%s%d(1)>>" fails.
20:52:42funmanpamaury: the function which clears 0x300000 is a bit more complex than that
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20:53:02S_a_i_n_teven "%?pE(10)<%sA|%sB>" works.
20:53:20S_a_i_n_tSo, I don't believe it to be a scrolling problem either.
20:53:39pamauryfunman: really ? What more is the function doing ?
20:53:46pixelmaS_a_i_n_t: and "%t(5)%?pE(10)<%?Ia<%s%al%Ia|%s%al%D(1)>|%?id<%s%al%id|%s%d(1)>>;" to force a regular update?
20:53:52S_a_i_n_tIt seems to be a problem with nesting conditionals in %pE and %pS
20:53:54bertrikpamaury, EP0 is really special IIRC, not sure if you can even block it from receiving data
20:54:16pixelmaS_a_i_n_t: or metadata
20:54:30S_a_i_n_tah, yes.
20:54:44pixelmaby the way - the problem on hwcodec existed as long as I can remember
20:54:59S_a_i_n_tI tried making it a "subline" to force an update...no success there either
20:55:39S_a_i_n_tfunny thing is "true" seems to work for %pE, it just won't switch to "false"
20:55:43funmanpamaury: there's a parameter or'd with the register, although it is 0 in all the calls i've found so far
20:56:04S_a_i_n_t(unless it contains no other nested conditions)
20:56:10pamaurybertrik: the doc I foudn say you can and anyway where would it put the data if DMA is not running for EP0 ?
20:56:36S_a_i_n_twell, my testing is limited...I was more intersted in getting it to work than finding out why it doesn't.
20:56:45pamauryfunman: iirc, I kind of "inline" the call and concluded that it did what I wrote in the driver but I might be wrong
20:57:26bertrikpamaury, what doc are you using? can I download it somewhere?
20:57:41pixelmaS_a_i_n_t: finding out why it doesn't might help getting it to work if it is a bug and the conditions it appears give some hints
20:58:01pixelmaand it then can be fixed
20:58:04S_a_i_n_tAny Nano 1st or 2nd Gen Owners interested in testing a new(-ish) theme? <−−Highlight me.
20:58:07pamaurybertrik: the code I found which have the same controller it seems
20:58:45pamauryso the linux patch, the s3c driver in linux, some doc like the S3C one which describe some registers (for an older version however)
20:58:51S_a_i_n_tpixelma: Yesh, I know. I will do some more thourough testing in a few hours, I'm really very tired now but I expect to get a second wind soon.
20:59:00S_a_i_n_t*Yes rather
20:59:35bertrikpamaury, ok, I'll have a look to see if I can find that somewhere
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21:00:17pamauryanyway, in DMA mode, it doesn't make sense, it would not trigger an interrupt and throw the data. It must be a programming error somewxhere
21:01:11JeromTalking about the usb driver, nice :)
21:01:30bertrikDoes it really use DMA for EP0? I've worked with a controller where EP0 was PIO only.
21:01:37pamauryyes it does
21:01:56pamaurywell you need to setup the address for DMA
21:04:40funmanranma: did you try to run the OF on clip+ ?
21:05:11pamaurythe only thing I see is that the driver could trigger an setup interrupt if you are waiting for some data and even if you don't setup the setup_pack_cnt to 1. Which would be a bit weird.
21:07:33pamauryThe other strange thing is that the device misses some setup packet, don't know why
21:09:38*pixelma wonders if AlexP is around
21:09:49AlexPaye
21:10:31S_a_i_n_tfunman: Just noticed your response in the "h120 battery chaerging issue" thread...so, I'm curious...what's the battery capacity setting on the DAP for then?
21:10:38pixelmaAlexP: did you see http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11437
21:10:41pixelma?
21:10:59funmanS_a_i_n_t: ah, it might be different if a model is known to have different batteries types
21:11:29AlexPpixelma: Not hithertoo
21:11:49pixelmasorry?
21:11:56S_a_i_n_tyes, that's why I said I wasn't sure if his device had it or not...but if it did, then it would be in "setting/blah/blah"
21:12:04S_a_i_n_tfunman: ^
21:12:11AlexPpixelma: Sorry, mispelling: hitherto
21:12:14AlexPer, yet :)
21:12:27S_a_i_n_tI guess he'll still get the idea if he reads the thread though.
21:12:32funmanS_a_i_n_t: feel free to correct me
21:13:02AlexPBattery capacity is used to calculate remaining runtime, no?
21:13:40S_a_i_n_tPass. I thought it had an effect on the percentile also.
21:13:50AlexPNope
21:13:55pixelmaAlexP: ah, would be nice if you could (especially the added parts wrt language, giovanni is no native speaker either) :)
21:13:56S_a_i_n_tOne of us is wrong ;)
21:13:59AlexP*almost* sure not
21:14:02S_a_i_n_tI'm willing to bet its me :D
21:14:08AlexPpixelma: Sure
21:15:25*S_a_i_n_t shall edit his post to reflect this then.
21:16:30pixelmaAlexP: also, the "generic touchscreen actions plus something on a few hardware buttons" business is weird too. I'll try to think of something
21:16:42pixelmabut if you have an idea... :)
21:17:22AlexPyes, I don't like it much either
21:18:09AlexPTuchscreen targets could do with a big old section eplaining that the grid is only really a fallback, how the touchscreen regions work on cabbie
21:19:29pixelmahrmm that's not exactly what I meant
21:20:53AlexPum, that's odd - half my sentence didn't appear
21:21:22AlexPgrid is... only a fallback, and how the touchscreen regions on cabbiev2 work
21:22:34pixelmait's targets that have a touchscreen and additionally a Power button for example. Those define all main \Actions in their own keymap files even though large parts is true for all touchscreen devices because (made-up example) \ActionStdCancel is something on touchscreen and also the Power button
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21:23:34AlexPah, ok
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21:24:14funmanpamaury: i can't find other modifications of this register in disassembly
21:24:30funman(doesn't mean they don't exist)
21:26:14pamauryok
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21:30:42pixelmaAlexP: would having the \ButtonPower etc. in the main platform file and then \opt{COWON_D2_PAD}{\ButtonPower} etc. in the keymap-touchscreen.tex be considered a worse hack than there is now? :) (in the hope you can follow my brief description)
21:31:48AlexPpixelma: Depends on how many touchscreen targets we end up with and how many physical buttons they have I suppose
21:31:59AlexPI don't have a strong preference either way
21:32:19AlexPI'd have to look I think
21:32:28pixelmayeah, true
21:33:05AlexPbtw, for the FS task you mentioned, I can have a look wednesday night if that is OK
21:35:29pixelmathe cleaner idea would be to have all \Actions that are there for the physical button only in the target's keymap file and the touchscreen one in the keymap-touchscreen.tex and find a why to combine if both exists. I don't know if that's possible though as flexible as it would be needed
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21:36:30pixelmaWednesday would be ok, I'd like to have a comment by the original author too
21:36:48pixelmas/why/way
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21:37:22yelpedThanks to whoever enabled, USB HID, but it doesn't seem to work, at least not in mouse mode.
21:37:46AlexPnano 2g?
21:37:54AlexPOr OSX
21:37:56pixelmayelped: which is your target and on what OS?
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21:38:04AlexPAs it works here on gigabeat S and linux
21:38:46yelpedSorry, Sansa Fuze v1 on windows 7.
21:39:18pixelmaAlexP: HID works on later OSXs than 10.4 but on 10.5 at least it wasn't as reliable as on XP (tried with my c200)
21:39:46AlexPI've only ever used it on linux, and it is fine there :)
21:39:58pixelmaXP is too
21:40:25yelpedwindows 7 on sansa e200v1 is fine, too.
21:41:44pixelmabut I guess it has something to do with the relatively new RockboxUSB on the AMS Sansas for yelped... * looking into ranma's, funman's etc. direction *
21:43:01funmani had missed r27164, last time i tried HID didn't work here
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21:45:39funmanit has no effect on ubuntu afaics
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21:47:06yelpedCould be that's it's enabled, but nobody set which keys should do what, which is why it's not doing anything?
21:47:46wodzI try to add enchance 3D function to the WM8750 driver (as was done for beast). I get compile error which I don't understand: http://pastebin.com/pzVLmBcf
21:47:58wodzdo You have any clue?
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21:48:53bertrikpamaury, the document I'm reading now (s3c6400 document) indeed shows either 30 or 60 MHz for the USB 2.0 PHY
21:49:27bertrikapparently you can also configure it for a USB 1.1 full speed mode, in which case the transceiver clock needs to be 48 MHz
21:49:48bertrikI'm not completely sure about the difference between a PHY and a transceiver
21:49:51funmanisn't the controller totally different from s3c6400 ?
21:50:18bertrikno, I see a lot of matches
21:50:52pamauryFrom my guess it's the same controller but at an older revision; However I'm not sure
21:54:55pamauryThis is really strange, the set address request does something special. I get two setup packet interrupts for it whereras only one exists !
21:55:33yelped<funman>do want to try r21764?
21:56:02funmanyelped: no idea, we must ask ranma
21:57:33yelpedOK, thanks. Just wanted to see if I was the only one having this problem.
21:57:49funmanlsusb -v errors out when HID is enabled
21:58:30yelpedOh.
21:58:37yelpedWhich means?
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21:58:49yelped:)
21:59:03funmanit means exactly what I said, nothing else
21:59:14yelped:)
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22:00:10pixelmaAlexP: I already had the "combine if this or that action exists" idea already for the remote control targets and still don't know if it is possible (as I imagine it)
22:00:33AlexPOh yeah, I was going to prod at that :)
22:00:37AlexPBut I forgot :)
22:01:11*pixelma wonders if the M:Robe500 is a touchscreen target with a physical button and a remote..
22:01:33bertrikwodz, errors like that often disappear when you do a make clean
22:02:12funmanwodz: a bug in dependancies or lang files generation
22:02:45wodzI did make clean and no go
22:03:20gevaertspixelma: it is
22:03:33gevaerts(unless I misunderstand what you mean)
22:04:38wodzI also try deleting build dir but error is the same
22:04:52pixelmagevaerts: so it does have a touchscreen and one or more additional physical buttons and a remote?
22:05:23gevaertspixelma: it has a touchscreen, one (power) button, and a remote
22:05:37gevaertsThe remote has some more buttons, but I've never seen it
22:05:43pixelmaif it has and I get the combining idea to work somehow for the manual then an M:Robe500 manual would need to combine three parts
22:06:31pixelmagevaerts: you should have seen the M:robe remote. roolku had one with him at DevCon2008 in Berlin ;)
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22:07:30pixelmaor you could have :)
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22:11:00gevaertsOK, I might have :)
22:11:52wodzhmm the problem comes from the fact that this setting is treated as gigabeats specyfic in lang files
22:12:21pixelmathen you need to add your mpio one way or the other
22:12:56pixelmaor the WM codec
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22:13:34wodzI don't know the syntax of lang files at all :-/
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22:16:19wodzhonestly I don't get why this is gigabeats specyfic in lang files. It is conditional anyway (based on #define magic)
22:18:16pixelmabecause every language string costs bin size - it would be included but not used <8and it would also make the voice file bigger)
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22:18:53pixelmawhen the system was introduced, the difference was quite obvious for some targets
22:20:10pixelmastuff like "gigabeats" or "lcd_color" are the so called features which control whether a string is included or not
22:22:01pixelmafeatures.txt (in apps) defines when a feature will be true for a certain target (using the defines that are in the code anyway)
22:22:54wodzthx, I'll look at this
22:24:01pixelmain this case, it might be the "correct" way to introduce a new feature "3d_enhancement" or somesuch
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22:49:04funmanwodz: how did you generate git-diff which stored file move in the diff output ?
22:50:32wodzfunman: -C I think
22:50:49rado1funman, git diff has a -M option to detect renames in the man page
22:51:19Jerompamaury: Still no luck with the misbeaving controller ?
22:51:21rado1funman, oh -C detects copies and renames
22:51:41funmanah it's not what I want though, I want deletes to not store the full diff between the deleted file and nothing
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22:51:58funmanJerom: check the log this evening i found something which might be interesting about clocks
22:54:51Buschelcan anyone with a MCF5250 (m5/x5) and another CF (e.g. h300) test this patch to the aac decoder? -> http://www.pastebin.org/363908
22:55:09Buschelthe difference in decoding speed is of interest
22:55:43Buschelon PP5022: svn = 36.12 MHz, patched = 35,49 MHz
22:55:49Buschel~2%
22:56:14Jeromfunman: So the OF is using 48Mhz and we are using 60 and it's somehow working ?
22:59:43wodzBuschel: I can try on MCF5249 but tomorrow
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23:00:14Buschelwodz: great, I am just creating a FS-entry to collect the data
23:02:36JeromI also see that someone had the issue than me: after connecting the usb a black screen
23:02:57wodzBuschel: aac means which file from http://download.rockbox.org/test_files/ ?
23:03:36Buschelwodz: I used the 192 kbps file (nero_192.m4a)
23:04:25BuschelFS #11445
23:04:41wodzok, I'll try to download this but my poor GSM connection may be the problem
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23:04:56Buschelouch
23:07:22Buschelgood night!
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23:35:26amiconnpixelma: iPod G3 has physically different button layout
23:36:11amiconnI would think that more plugins on G3 would benefit from separate button maps, perhaps even some core screens
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23:39:08wodzamiconn: would it be possible to alter lcdlinear[] in plugin to see the effect immediately?
23:41:00amiconnPerhaps. Right now test_grey switches linearisation off
23:42:07*amiconn is reminded of the grey blitting optimisation for mpio
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23:45:10wodzamiconn: I am asking because I am not 100% satisfied with current lcdlinear[] for HD200 - it produces 'glitch' in test_fps (the gradient screen). It is very frustrating process to alter array, recompile plugins and test
23:45:32amiconnWhat kind of glitch?
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23:47:13wodzit looks like 'noise line'
23:47:22wodzvertical
23:47:46simonrvn'vertical line noise' maybe?
23:48:31amiconnYou mean the line that slowly moves up or down?
23:48:40wodzno
23:49:26wodzI can try to take a photo of this (with long exposure time)
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