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| 00:22:44 | bertrik | funman, I'm tempted to commit my fix for the alarm poweroff problem too. For me, the problem went from completely reproducible to not reproducible (tried 5 times or so). |
| 00:23:28 | bertrik | maybe tomorrow, after the battery bench ... :) |
| 00:25:29 | funman | can you send me the patch? |
| 00:25:45 | funman | my clipv2 just acted strange: the screen lit up itself and now it's not responsive |
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| 00:25:52 | Luca_S | hello |
| 00:26:16 | bertrik | I thought you already tried it: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11453 |
| 00:26:19 | Luca_S | funman: my girlfriend borrowed my fuzev2, sorry, I can't help with benching for a couple of days |
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| 00:27:12 | Luca_S | good night rockboxers :) |
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| 00:27:21 | funman | bertrik: well yes if it doesn't work then it's not a fix? |
| 00:27:38 | bertrik | "works for me" :/ |
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| 00:29:11 | funman | do you actually use this feature ? |
| 00:29:32 | bertrik | no, not until I started testing it |
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| 00:31:14 | funman | The lock-up happens more often when you want to enable it and go to bad (Murphy's law) |
| 00:31:21 | funman | just go to bed* |
| 00:32:39 | funman | bertrik: can you reproduce the bug without the patch ? |
| 00:32:45 | bertrik | hm, so maybe this bug is more likely at a particular time of day (or night) :) |
| 00:33:24 | bertrik | yes, for me it always happens the second time, when it has woken up from the first alarm |
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| 05:17:38 | * | S_a_i_n_t wonders why ther aren't alphabetical. |
| 05:17:45 | S_a_i_n_t | (plugins, viewers, etc.) |
| 05:18:01 | S_a_i_n_t | I have a patch I made to do that floating around somewhere... |
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| 05:29:25 | saratoga | finally got test_codec to decode a 20MB flac on my Clip+ |
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| 07:25:33 | saratoga | anyone feel like running test codec on the fuzev2? |
| 07:25:40 | jennifur | what codec? |
| 07:25:46 | saratoga | all of them! |
| 07:25:50 | jennifur | sure, why not |
| 07:26:37 | saratoga | you'll need FS #11458 and the test_files folder off of download.rockbox.org |
| 07:26:46 | jennifur | okay |
| 07:27:29 | jennifur | do i need to do svn update first? |
| 07:27:48 | saratoga | yeah you should run this on an up to date otherwise unmodified SVN checkout |
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| 07:36:09 | saratoga | i just increased PCLK to 40MHz on my clipv2 and the speed up is huge |
| 07:36:36 | saratoga | assuming I did this right, WMA decodes in under 30MHz |
| 07:42:34 | jennifur | well, just waiting for the test files to download, then i can transfer them over |
| 07:43:06 | saratoga | once you have them, compile a build with test_codec.c added to apps/plugins/SOURCES |
| 07:43:32 | saratoga | and then "open with" one of the test_files and choose test codec, then do the whole directory when it asks |
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| 07:47:46 | pixelma | saratoga: you know of the test plugins advanced build option? ;) |
| 07:47:58 | saratoga | no |
| 07:48:49 | pixelma | no need to edit SOURCES, although with the advanced build option you'll get the whole bunch of test plugins |
| 07:50:23 | jennifur | saratoga, i'm getting an err when it tries to compile, pastebin of the err is here: http://pastebin.com/ixjWMyhL |
| 07:51:25 | jennifur | oh wait never mind |
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| 08:07:40 | jennifur | saratoga, which one? there is more than one option here. |
| 08:09:43 | saratoga | test whole directory or something like that |
| 08:09:58 | jennifur | trying the speed test one first |
| 08:09:58 | saratoga | "speed test folder" |
| 08:09:59 | kugel | saratoga: how did you get test_codec to work with the 20mb file? |
| 08:11:42 | saratoga | kugel: lots of rebuffering |
| 08:11:51 | kugel | is there a patch? |
| 08:11:59 | saratoga | kugel: yeah its on the tracker |
| 08:12:06 | saratoga | FS #11458 |
| 08:13:02 | saratoga | funman: (for the logs) PCLK has a huge impact on vorbis and WMA performance, but on other formats the difference is smaller |
| 08:13:26 | saratoga | vorbis at 24MHz is just 62% the speed of vorbis at 40MHz |
| 08:14:44 | kugel | nice (the patch) |
| 08:15:17 | kugel | saratoga: PCLK affects the RAM speed IIUC |
| 08:16:04 | saratoga | kugel: IRAM mainly is whats being tested here |
| 08:16:24 | saratoga | vorbis seems almost entirely limited by memory speed at 250MHz |
| 08:17:13 | saratoga | but MP3 sees only a very minor difference, i guess since its filterbank is so multiplier heavy |
| 08:18:35 | kugel | saratoga: sorry, I mean RAM&IRAM. |
| 08:19:05 | kugel | on amsv2 the codec buffer is entirely in IRAM |
| 08:20:45 | saratoga | i need to do a test with no boosting at all |
| 08:21:06 | saratoga | kugel: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/CodecPerformanceComparison#AMS_AS3525v2_w_24MHz_PClK_AR_AN1 |
| 08:23:31 | kugel | saratoga: the tests where made with the PCLK change but still with boosted @240MHz? |
| 08:26:45 | saratoga | kugel: yeah, i just now started a test with pclk = fclk = 40mhz |
| 08:27:11 | saratoga | i bet vorbis is a lot faster per MHz |
| 08:28:00 | jennifur | the test is still running by the way saratoga |
| 08:29:10 | saratoga | pastebin the results when you get them, should be the same as mine I think |
| 08:29:50 | jennifur | about how long did it take for you? |
| 08:30:07 | saratoga | maybe half an hour |
| 08:36:03 | saratoga | oh thats right, we disabled boosting on amsv2 . . . |
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| 08:45:43 | jennifur | saratoga, http://pastebin.com/n0mRmfV6 |
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| 08:46:30 | Keaft | Anyone alive? |
| 08:46:36 | jennifur | i am |
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| 08:46:49 | jennifur | though, i could be a bot |
| 08:46:51 | Keaft | oh good I thought that the world had ended for a moment there |
| 08:46:56 | Keaft | crud... |
| 08:47:09 | Keaft | are you a dev? |
| 08:47:15 | jennifur | no |
| 08:47:22 | Keaft | or someone that has answers to questions? |
| 08:47:23 | Keaft | lol |
| 08:47:33 | jennifur | i might have an answer to your question |
| 08:47:38 | jennifur | never know until you ask |
| 08:47:42 | Keaft | very true |
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| 08:48:49 | jennifur | so, what is your question Keaft? |
| 08:48:58 | Keaft | ok so I'd imagine there has been a lot asked about the ipod nano 5g so instead of saying WHEN I figured I'd ask what would be the best mailing list to get on? |
| 08:49:29 | saratoga | 20.1MHz for vorbis 128k when PCLK = FCLK! |
| 08:49:45 | Keaft | if that made any sense... shoot it's way late for me lol |
| 08:49:49 | saratoga | verses 45MHz when PCLK=24 and FCLK=240 |
| 08:50:36 | saratoga | theres no obvious list to get on, although i guess you could watch the rockbox or linux4nano dev lists and see if anyone ever mentions working on it |
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| 08:50:53 | Keaft | sounds good. |
| 08:51:12 | Keaft | I could probably sign up and then filter in gmail for "Ipod" or something like that |
| 08:52:56 | saratoga | these results really call into question our assumptions about optimization, at least on AMS |
| 08:53:45 | saratoga | if performance can vary so dramatically and unpredictably with clock speed, then we should probably not test things with the clock much higher then its likely to be |
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| 09:00:54 | S_a_i_n_t | Ah, crap. He left. |
| 09:01:26 | S_a_i_n_t | AFAIK noone's even got further past considering how hard the Nano5G may or may not be. |
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| 09:57:02 | S_a_i_n_t | Hmmmm...%aL and %aR don't seem to work correctly. |
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| 09:58:31 | JdGordon | oh? |
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| 10:06:53 | S_a_i_n_t | Yeah, I'm trying to figure out exactly what the problem is though. |
| 10:07:19 | S_a_i_n_t | it's one of those "I know something is wrong, but what the fuck is it?" things. |
| 10:08:26 | S_a_i_n_t | I couldn;t find any documentation on %Sr do you know if it is %Sr<LTR|RTL> or %Sr<RTL|LTR>? |
| 10:12:53 | JdGordon | umm.. the "yes" branch is rtl |
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| 10:13:06 | JdGordon | so <rtl|ltr> I think? |
| 10:13:14 | S_a_i_n_t | Thanks. |
| 10:13:18 | * | JdGordon can never remember if it is true|false or false|true |
| 10:13:33 | S_a_i_n_t | Knowing that will certainly help me put my finger on this. |
| 10:13:47 | S_a_i_n_t | true|false btw |
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| 10:17:53 | tagtype | does rockbox read ID3v2.4 and v2.3, or only v2.3 ? |
| 10:18:46 | S_a_i_n_t | Good question, I believe the manual was the answer to that. |
| 10:18:59 | S_a_i_n_t | I can't answer off the top of my head sorry. |
| 10:19:59 | S_a_i_n_t | JdGordon: It seems like just normal old %al actually right aligns text when the text is RTL?!? |
| 10:20:05 | pixelma | it reads ID3v2.4 |
| 10:20:12 | S_a_i_n_t | perhaps it has something to do with the %ax tag. |
| 10:20:27 | JdGordon | ax might swap al/ar |
| 10:20:48 | S_a_i_n_t | It seems it does. |
| 10:20:51 | JdGordon | hmm, no it sholdnt |
| 10:21:14 | JdGordon | ax before the viewport? |
| 10:21:16 | S_a_i_n_t | %aL left aligns the text when it is RTL in my WPS |
| 10:21:46 | S_a_i_n_t | I'll try taking out %ax and see if %aL works then. |
| 10:21:59 | tagtype | thanks |
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| 10:24:11 | S_a_i_n_t | JdGordon: Yeah, just tested it then, %ax is flipping the alignment tags also. |
| 10:24:27 | JdGordon | not according to the code |
| 10:24:29 | JdGordon | pastebin me |
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| 10:27:09 | S_a_i_n_t | http://rockbox.pastebin.ca/1894875 |
| 10:27:22 | S_a_i_n_t | Just remove %ax and the alignment works as intended. |
| 10:28:02 | JdGordon | yeah because it is telling the viewport to automagically set the alignment correctly |
| 10:28:16 | JdGordon | that is a wierd sideeffect |
| 10:28:28 | S_a_i_n_t | and, if I use %ax, and %al instead of %aL then it right aligns instead of left. |
| 10:28:43 | S_a_i_n_t | Odd. |
| 10:28:48 | JdGordon | maybe %aL/R are redundant |
| 10:29:07 | S_a_i_n_t | This "feature-bug" kinda makes them so, yes. |
| 10:29:35 | S_a_i_n_t | With this oddity, then %Sr is plenty. |
| 10:30:09 | JdGordon | you cant put ax inside sr |
| 10:31:25 | S_a_i_n_t | It wasn;t inside it. |
| 10:32:13 | S_a_i_n_t | The section of code I pasted didn;t actually use %Sr at all. |
| 10:32:36 | S_a_i_n_t | Perhaps I misunderstood. |
| 10:33:27 | S_a_i_n_t | What I meant was, instead of %ax, if you don'T WANT TO ACTUALLY MIRROR THE VIEWPORT THEN 5sR WILL WORK SUFFICIENTLY. |
| 10:33:35 | S_a_i_n_t | argh! stupid caps. |
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| 10:40:47 | S_a_i_n_t | JdGordon: Here's an interesting one...can the %Fl line include/be included in a conditional statement? ie. ?Sr<%Fl(fontAdetails)|%Fl(fontBdetails)> |
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| 11:03:54 | giovanni_ | pixelma: I've seen that you've committed my patch, be aware that I've also modified the table that explains the touch screen 3x3 grid in the manual. |
| 11:05:39 | pixelma | yeah, I saw that and actually wanted to have a look where the difference is but forgot :/ |
| 11:06:56 | JdGordon | S_a_i_n_t: of course it can |
| 11:07:09 | pixelma | giovanni_: could you describe how it looks differently now in a few words? |
| 11:07:10 | JdGordon | it wont do what you want.. but you can put it there :p |
| 11:07:27 | S_a_i_n_t | Hardy har har... |
| 11:08:11 | S_a_i_n_t | I need a way of switching to Unifont for the RTL languages. |
| 11:08:28 | S_a_i_n_t | Preferably one that isn't making every text viewport conditional. |
| 11:08:48 | pixelma | conditional viewports should work, I guess |
| 11:08:59 | giovanni_ | yes, now the table is a little bit larger and the words are centered. |
| 11:09:05 | S_a_i_n_t | yeah, that was what I was trying to avoid. |
| 11:10:16 | pixelma | giovanni_: that's ok I think, just not mentioned in the commit message (the commit was messed up anyways :/ ) |
| 11:10:49 | giovanni_ | no problem for me, I only hope I've made it the right way |
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| 11:13:47 | giovanni_ | pixelma: I can paste the diff part on pastebin so you can see |
| 11:14:27 | pixelma | you don't need to, I still have the full patch around |
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| 11:16:45 | JdGordon | S_a_i_n_t: stick it on the wishlist... I might be able to come up with a system to make conditional font loading work |
| 11:17:01 | JdGordon | or at least load both but font '8' can be either of them |
| 11:18:00 | mitk | Hi. Is here an dev who can commit FS #11436 - Polish charset for 08-Nedore font? |
| 11:18:53 | S_a_i_n_t | Hmmm, for now I basically have to make a copy of each text viewport with Unifont loaded and use %Sr to switch it. |
| 11:19:10 | S_a_i_n_t | that's going to make for a *massive* conditional switch lol ;) |
| 11:19:35 | bertrik | mitk, sure, I can do that |
| 11:20:00 | giovanni_ | I need some hint to change the key assignment for pacbox |
| 11:20:41 | pixelma | mitk: can you remind me in the evening - and would you add them to 09-Nedore too? |
| 11:20:52 | JdGordon | S_a_i_n_t: why not just always use unifont? |
| 11:20:58 | pixelma | oh, bertrik was quicker |
| 11:21:04 | S_a_i_n_t | It's hideous. |
| 11:21:15 | mitk | bertrik: Great. Thanks. |
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| 11:21:48 | * | S_a_i_n_t hates fixed width fonts, especially ugly ones. |
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| 11:22:10 | S_a_i_n_t | The only reason to use it is becasue it has hebrew/arabic chars |
| 11:23:17 | CIA-6 | New commit by bertrik (r27290): Polish charset for 08-Nedore font, FS #11436 by Tomasz Kowalczyk |
| 11:23:24 | mitk | pixelma: Yes, I can do also 09, but following "one change in one FS" rule I should do it in another patch I think |
| 11:24:07 | mitk | bertrik is so fast... |
| 11:24:12 | mitk | thanks |
| 11:24:25 | bertrik | hm, yeah, I just closed the task |
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| 11:28:15 | CIA-6 | New commit by bertrik (r27291): Serbian translation update, FS #11456 by Ivan Pesic |
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| 11:46:48 | pixelma | mitk: you are right about one step at a time, I was just asking :) |
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| 12:30:53 | bertrik | cool, the problem with a keypress getting ignored after exiting a plugin is reproducible in the sim |
| 12:31:51 | bertrik | at least, the one I see with the dict plugin |
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| 13:23:18 | mitk | pixelma, bertrik: FS #11460 - Polish charset for 09-Nedore font. Can you? |
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| 13:24:00 | bertrik | yeah, in 20 minutes or so |
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| 13:26:12 | pixelma | mitk: currently not. But thanks anyways :) |
| 13:27:53 | bertrik | gevaerts, I think a 1 minute difference in battery bench runtime is probably not significant |
| 13:28:04 | gevaerts | *probably* ;) |
| 13:29:30 | bertrik | dfkt found a 7-minute improvement from using PLLB on his clip+, I found a 1-minute deterioration, so I'd say the effect is negligible |
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| 13:54:05 | CIA-6 | New commit by bertrik (r27292): Polish charset for 09-Nedore font, FS #11460 by Tomasz Kowalczyk |
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| 13:57:25 | mitk | bertrik: thank you |
| 13:59:22 | BdN3504-2 | sandisk sansa clip+ r27220:How do enable "hold" on this device? |
| 13:59:46 | S_a_i_n_t | http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-sansaclipplus/rockbox-build.html |
| 13:59:51 | BdN3504-2 | spellcheck: "how do i..." |
| 13:59:55 | S_a_i_n_t | I believe it has a software hold |
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| 14:00:02 | S_a_i_n_t | (a button combination) |
| 14:00:35 | BdN3504-2 | i searched the pdf version of the manual for hold, but that didn't turn up anything useful, that's why i ask here |
| 14:00:45 | mitk | home+select combo |
| 14:01:18 | BdN3504-2 | ah thanks! |
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| 19:11:07 | anewuser | lately, I've been having hiccups on sound |
| 19:11:21 | anewuser | like it stops for half a second every 10-20 seconds |
| 19:11:35 | anewuser | think it started after doing a recording |
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| 19:26:18 | bertrik | the problem with the first button not working after exiting the dict plugin seems to be a case of a missing release event, it is queued by the button code, but cleared by button_clear_queue in plugin.c |
| 19:26:56 | Torne | the code that handles changing contexts? or solmething else |
| 19:27:23 | Torne | the action code tries to ignore releases after context changes, but i don think it does it very well |
| 19:27:58 | bertrik | I don't think I fully understand the problem yet |
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| 19:28:16 | Torne | well, that might be worth looking at :) |
| 19:28:34 | Torne | it doesnt handle button combinations rightp i know |
| 19:28:40 | bertrik | Torne, how and where does the action code try to ignore releases after context changes? |
| 19:28:55 | Torne | er |
| 19:29:09 | Torne | i forget where exactly, can't look right now |
| 19:29:18 | Torne | it's in action.c though |
| 19:31:58 | bertrik | ok, I think I see it :( |
| 19:32:44 | Torne | it may not be your problem |
| 19:32:54 | kugel | bertrik: I think the problem also happens with some splashes in the core |
| 19:32:55 | Torne | but i am fairly sure it's not bug-free |
| 19:32:59 | kugel | if it's the same anyway |
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| 19:37:19 | bertrik | Ok, this could be it: button release event is eaten by button_clear_queue() when exiting the plugin. Then in action.c all keys are ignored until a release is seen. |
| 19:37:45 | bertrik | So action.c only starts working after pressing and releasing one more time |
| 19:38:29 | Torne | that sounds plausible. |
| 19:38:58 | Torne | ation.c also stops ignoring after *one* release even if the last thing pressed was a combination |
| 19:39:13 | Torne | which gives you spurious, instead of missed, events |
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| 19:51:45 | bertrik | yup, this seems to be it, the button is eaten by the if-statement in action.c line 207 |
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| 19:53:17 | bertrik | Torne, basically exactly the code you suggested |
| 19:53:27 | Torne | hooray |
| 19:53:50 | Torne | well while you're there can you make it work right for released combinations too? |
| 19:53:53 | Torne | :) |
| 19:54:14 | bertrik | I was hoping to find a simple-to-fix typo or something :| |
| 19:55:08 | bertrik | Maybe we should not eat buttons when changing context, but maybe rather defer the context change a bit until we see a fully "idle" key situation |
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| 20:01:14 | Buschel | baaahhh, this faad code is soo ugly... |
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| 20:03:27 | Torne | bertrik: the context is just whatever someone passes o get_action though |
| 20:03:42 | Torne | you get a new one, you can't refuse it |
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| 20:09:20 | bertrik | I don't see any obvious solution to this problem |
| 20:11:51 | bertrik | The hack to eat buttons until release was probably introduced to fix another problem |
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| 20:39:26 | Buschel | stripwax: or is it not possible? |
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| 21:12:54 | CIA-6 | New commit by bieber (r27296): Theme Editor: Enabled conditional display of ID3/file info with checkbox on the device panel |
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| 21:14:55 | CIA-6 | r27296 build result: All green |
| 21:16:27 | saratoga | Buschel. funman, kugel: I did a test with the clipv2 forced to 40MHz core and iram clock: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/CodecPerformanceComparison#AMS_AS3525v2_w_40MHz_PCLK_40MHz |
| 21:16:31 | saratoga | results are very interesting |
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| 21:19:00 | bertrik | very efficient? |
| 21:19:42 | saratoga | yeah |
| 21:19:47 | saratoga | 7MHz for flac decode |
| 21:20:02 | saratoga | but also very different then the results for boosted |
| 21:20:34 | funman | what do you mean with boosting disabled? |
| 21:21:03 | funman | you put the CPU to 40MHz ? |
| 21:21:09 | saratoga | yeah |
| 21:21:14 | saratoga | literally commented out the boost commands |
| 21:21:15 | funman | (sorry i can't read, it's written in the wiki) |
| 21:21:49 | bieber | Any opinions on how I should handle the built-in fonts with the theme editor? |
| 21:22:09 | funman | we should benchmark 40MHz pclk versus 24MHz pclk |
| 21:22:21 | funman | (for battery) |
| 21:22:41 | bieber | i.e., should I copy them over into the editor's resources directory, or just have references to their location in place in the source tree? |
| 21:24:21 | saratoga | funman: updated it |
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| 21:24:38 | saratoga | funman: I think 24MHz probably uses less power, since according to those tests almost nothing should boost |
| 21:24:56 | saratoga | but boosting with PCLK higher is probably more efficient if you're going to do it |
| 21:25:10 | saratoga | but not if it means your unboosted clock has to be higher too |
| 21:25:55 | saratoga | so best is probably 24MHz pclk=fclk unboosted, and 64MHz PCLK, 200+ FCLK |
| 21:26:10 | saratoga | assuming you can chage pclk on boost and want to max fclk |
| 21:26:33 | funman | dynamic PCLK implies dynamic clock switching for some peripherals |
| 21:26:47 | saratoga | boosting to fclk = ~150 MHz might be more efficient though, since it seems like the faster clock really doesn't help most codecs as much since the pclk stays too low |
| 21:27:23 | domonoky | bieber: do you mean the built-in systemfont, or the fonts which are delivered with the normal zip ? |
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| 21:27:41 | bieber | domonoky: Both |
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| 21:27:45 | Frampis | hello |
| 21:27:50 | saratoga | APE and Wavpack seem to be the only formats with really good FCLK scaling |
| 21:27:50 | bieber | Is the built-in system font not loaded from a FNT file? |
| 21:28:01 | Frampis | where does the rockbox installation utility save the backup when upgrading on windows? |
| 21:28:10 | funman | saratoga: first thing is to be sure we can boost/unboost correctly. I think my last patch on fs#11297 has too much changes because it also changes PLLA to 248MHz |
| 21:28:44 | Frampis | it removed my theme and icons so I need to find the backup |
| 21:29:07 | domonoky | Frampis: it should create a .backup folder on your mp3player |
| 21:29:11 | CIA-6 | New commit by Buschel (r27297): Submit FS #11450. Change compile option for libfaad to -O2 for ARM target and -O1 for other CPUs. This speeds up decoding by 1-5%. |
| 21:29:24 | Frampis | domonoky, thanks |
| 21:30:21 | pixelma | bieber: IIRC the built-in font is only the ascii part of the 08-Schumacher-Clean one, so just the needed parts to show errors etc. to not bloat bin size (and the name built-in is there for a reason ;) ) |
| 21:30:48 | pixelma | not sure what happens at compile time though |
| 21:31:04 | CIA-6 | r27297 build result: All green |
| 21:31:09 | Buschel | btw, I have some optimizations for aac-he. on PP5022 decoding is sped up from 130 MHz to ~116 MHz. |
| 21:31:39 | bieber | Got it |
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| 21:32:49 | Frampis | are 3.5 themes incompatible with the latest version? |
| 21:33:09 | domonoky | Frampis: yes, the syntacs was heavily changed.. |
| 21:33:18 | Frampis | I have selected the theme I used previously for the while playing screen but it looks completely different |
| 21:33:21 | Frampis | damn... |
| 21:33:35 | domonoky | but the themesite wa upgraded, and there is a converter somewhere. |
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| 21:34:12 | domonoky | so if you got the theme from the themesite, just redownload it. If it was self created.. try to find the upgrader tool :-) |
| 21:34:14 | Frampis | if anyone knows where to find said converter, that would make my day |
| 21:34:38 | Frampis | the theme I used has disappeared from the site |
| 21:34:49 | Frampis | it was jbox for the ipod video |
| 21:35:03 | saratoga | funman: FWIW I think boosting to 200MHz and keeping voltage low (i think 200mhz is the same for amsv1 v2 voltage?) makes most sense now |
| 21:35:27 | domonoky | the converter is in svn under: utils\skinupdater but you have to compile it, dont know if there is a readymade binary avaiable somewhere. |
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| 21:38:07 | Frampis | are themes that have been deleted from the site archived somewhere? |
| 21:38:55 | funman | saratoga: i'll test fs#11458 on clipv1 |
| 21:38:57 | Frampis | oh, the Rockbox Utility finds a theme called jbox but it's not listed on the site, weird |
| 21:40:33 | Frampis | it doesn't work, though |
| 21:40:44 | Frampis | so apparently outdated themes are stil lbeing hosted |
| 21:41:23 | mc2739 | Frampis: if you are a windows user, there is a link to a windows version of the convertor here: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=24907.msg168423#msg168423 |
| 21:41:34 | Frampis | mc2739, thank you very much |
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| 21:45:49 | Frampis | the patched skin doesn't work any better, though |
| 21:45:49 | Frampis | the only file for jbox is jBox.wps, there aren't files with the extensions sbs or fms |
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| 21:49:12 | funman | fields in WAV files are all big endian, except the filesize which is little endian? (at offset 4) |
| 21:49:58 | funman | ah no, some other fields are LE |
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| 21:54:32 | Frampis | the resulting file is different from the original but it works no better, damn |
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| 21:58:09 | domonoky | Frampis: themes on the themesite can be hidden because they fail all checkwps checks, or because they manually hidden, or they can get deleted manuall. |
| 21:59:13 | Frampis | Rockbox Utility shows this particular theme but it is not displayed on the site |
| 21:59:29 | domonoky | Frampis: i took a shot look from the admin interface, and jBox is hidden because it fails checkwps, ie it is broken. |
| 21:59:42 | domonoky | s/shot/short/ |
| 21:59:52 | bieber | Anyone care to discuss the FNT format? |
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| 22:00:51 | Frampis | domonoky, can a skin be "broken" but still function? |
| 22:01:12 | Frampis | jBox functioned back when 3.5 was current |
| 22:01:36 | Frampis | or is it only "broken" only for the latest version? |
| 22:01:43 | Frampis | *-only |
| 22:01:46 | domonoky | Frampis: but rockbox changed, so jbox broke.. :-) |
| 22:02:18 | Frampis | so there are things wrong with the skin that even the converter can't fix? |
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| 22:03:23 | domonoky | when did you see jbox in rbutil ? before or after you installed a current build ? |
| 22:03:31 | Frampis | after |
| 22:03:52 | Frampis | if I open it up right now and select extras -> install themes, it shows up |
| 22:03:53 | Frampis | in the list |
| 22:04:12 | domonoky | rbutil uses the old-site (which host non-converted themes) if it thinks it has a 3.6 or older build installed. |
| 22:06:44 | Frampis | I think I'll download a new skin and make new graphics similar to jBox with paint or something :P |
| 22:07:14 | domonoky | perhaps it would be easier to just try to fix jBox ? |
| 22:07:17 | mc2739 | Frampis: here is a fixed jbox.wps file: http://pastie.org/1031677 |
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| 22:08:10 | Frampis | mc2739, thanks, I'll try it out |
| 22:09:13 | Frampis | it doesn't work, though |
| 22:09:32 | Frampis | still falls back to the default wps |
| 22:09:51 | mc2739 | what version of Rockbox are you using> |
| 22:10:09 | Frampis | 3.6 |
| 22:10:37 | Frampis | I just upgraded and that's why I'm trying to fix the skin |
| 22:10:50 | mc2739 | ahh, I fixed it for current builds. |
| 22:11:25 | Frampis | I also tried a skin called FSM that is listed on the skin site but it also does not work, is it not a requirement for wps's to be compatible with 3.6 to be listed? |
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| 22:12:07 | mc2739 | you have to download themes for 3.6 here: http://pastie.org/1031677 |
| 22:12:28 | mc2739 | oops, wrong link: http://themes.rockbox.org/oldsite/www/index.php |
| 22:13:46 | Frampis | i.e. this site is outdated? http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?target=ipodvideo |
| 22:14:11 | funman | who thought it was a good idea to add the name of a function as a comment on the ending brace? |
| 22:14:27 | funman | it's confusing as it removes focus from other comments |
| 22:14:56 | Lear | I see that from time to time... |
| 22:15:00 | Frampis | jBox downloaded from your link does not function |
| 22:15:30 | Frampis | I'm starting to wonder if my installation of Rockbox is somehow broken here and not the skins |
| 22:15:35 | domonoky | Frampis: no, you link is not- outdated, its newer then 3.6 :-) |
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| 22:16:16 | domonoky | mc2739: would be the correct link for a 3.6 build.. |
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| 22:17:08 | Frampis | but isn't 3.6 the current stable release? http://www.rockbox.org/download/ says 3.6 |
| 22:17:41 | domonoky | 3.6 is the "current stable release" but not the "current build" which i though you had installed :-) |
| 22:18:45 | Frampis | so does 3.6 still use the old skin syntax? the only reason I'm looking for a working jBox is the fact that it broke when I upgraded from 3.5 to 3.6 |
| 22:19:21 | mc2739 | Frampis: try this one: http://pastie.org/1031677 (updated wps file for 3.6) |
| 22:19:51 | Frampis | I triend it when you linked it before and it doesn't work either |
| 22:19:57 | mc2739 | Frampis: there were some changes made between 3.5 and 3.6 |
| 22:20:17 | mc2739 | it is updated - try again |
| 22:21:45 | Frampis | now it loads, thanks |
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| 22:22:04 | Frampis | but some of the graphics are misplaced, its seems I have to change some of the coordinates |
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| 22:23:52 | saratoga | funman: (sorry was out) looking at the results more, the only actual format that needs FCLK > 100MHz is APE c4000, all others don't even need that |
| 22:24:12 | saratoga | i wonder if boosting so high makes any sense for just one APE profile |
| 22:25:04 | saratoga | it'd probably be more efficient to boost lower where the CPU uses less power and operates more efficiently due to pclk |
| 22:25:40 | saratoga | though i guess this is really just one more argument for a 3 step boost system |
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| 22:26:51 | funman | boosting still doesn't work though |
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| 22:27:37 | saratoga | details .... |
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| 22:28:04 | funman | ;) |
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| 22:28:54 | saratoga | ignoring that pesky fact, how feasible would it be to have a function in the codec/plugin API that requests boost_more |
| 22:29:09 | saratoga | which would basically increase the boost clock |
| 22:29:24 | saratoga | say from 100MHz to 250MHz (or similar amounts depending on PCLK) |
| 22:30:29 | pixelma | bieber: what is there to discuss about fnt? |
| 22:30:45 | mc2739 | bertrik: I think the hack to eat buttons is for quickscreen, if I remember correctly, I #if 0'd that section and the quickscreen was the only thing that had a problem. See FS #10097 for additional information that I found. |
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| 22:31:17 | bieber | I was just wondering if anyone could give me a little more info about the format than we have in the wiki, before I go digging into the font loading code for it |
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| 22:35:18 | saratoga | funman: any idea why test_codec output gets corrupted sometimes on the clip if you let the back light go out and then come back on? |
| 22:35:46 | saratoga | i assume its a driver issue since no other player but the clips does it |
| 22:36:34 | funman | you mean some lines are missing? |
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| 22:37:33 | saratoga | funman: no its even weirder, the text doesn't update, so you get what was on the screen before the backlight went out, even though its been updated since then |
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| 22:38:06 | CIA-6 | New commit by bieber (r27298): Theme Editor: Added a small PHP script to auto-generate a qrc entry for a directory with aliases for each file |
| 22:38:50 | funman | dunno, looks correct so far (been decoding ape_c5000 for a dozen of minutes) |
| 22:39:50 | saratoga | basically i think what happens is that LCD updates are ignored if the screen is off, so if the test finishes while its off, the results don't print and you just see what was on the screen before it went off |
| 22:39:58 | CIA-6 | r27298 build result: All green |
| 22:40:13 | saratoga | so if I test a single long file and dont keep hitting buttons to keep the screen on, the output is never printed |
| 22:41:33 | saratoga | 2.4MHz per EQ band when the clip is unboosted |
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| 22:42:08 | funman | screen should be updated at the next log_text() |
| 22:42:10 | CIA-6 | New commit by bieber (r27299): Theme Editor: Fixed redundant directory separator bug in addresourcedir script |
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| 22:42:55 | saratoga | on my player at least log_text seems to be ignored if the screen is off |
| 22:43:15 | Drise | Just curious, does anyone know how far along the Sansa Fuze V2 USB support is? |
| 22:43:15 | funman | there's something weird: lame_320.mp3 : 5533.33% realtime |
| 22:43:33 | funman | saratoga: yep, lcd_update() is a no-op if the backlight is off |
| 22:43:59 | CIA-6 | r27299 build result: All green |
| 22:44:14 | funman | should be the same for fuze |
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| 22:44:46 | bieber | Meh, apparently all the Rockbox fonts amount to 15MB of data |
| 22:44:48 | saratoga | funman: so I should just make the plugin turon the screen before writing to it? |
| 22:44:57 | saratoga | turn on |
| 22:45:05 | funman | http://pastie.org/1031736 |
| 22:45:14 | bieber | So if I include them in the Theme Editor, I get a huge executable, but if I don't all the themes that rely on fonts bundled with RB won't work :/ |
| 22:45:41 | funman | saratoga: usually log_text() is called regularly, so you would see weird content only a bit between turning the backlight on and the next log_text() ? |
| 22:45:56 | saratoga | funman: hmm looks like I broke something :) |
| 22:46:04 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 22:46:07 | bluebroth3r | bieber: how about downloading the fonts pack when needed? Or asking the user to do so? |
| 22:46:16 | saratoga | in the test_codec program it draws a bunch of stuff to the screen without turning on the backlight |
| 22:46:27 | saratoga | which works fine on the e200v1 but not on the clip FWIW |
| 22:46:32 | funman | aache and mp3 results are broken |
| 22:46:37 | bieber | bluebroth3r: Is there a dedicated download location just for fnt files? |
| 22:46:39 | saratoga | clipv1? |
| 22:46:52 | funman | yeah |
| 22:47:01 | bluebroth3r | bieber: well, there's the font pack (on the extras section for the downloads) |
| 22:47:06 | saratoga | the small buffer may expose additional bugs |
| 22:47:16 | saratoga | but weird that lame broke but not a lossless file with far more rebuffering |
| 22:47:25 | bluebroth3r | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/RockboxExtras |
| 22:47:30 | funman | hm weird aache plays much too fast |
| 22:47:39 | bluebroth3r | though there are two problems: you need to download it and you need to extract it |
| 22:47:59 | saratoga | funman: blame buschel :) |
| 22:48:15 | * | Buschel hides away |
| 22:48:46 | bluebroth3r | bieber: IMO it's acceptable to have the user download the fonts pack and place it in some specific location for a first implementation. |
| 22:48:47 | funman | yeah i think mp3 stops at the first rebuffer |
| 22:49:07 | funman | Buschel: it looks like it plays 'realtime' = as fast as i can |
| 22:49:35 | saratoga | realtime or 2x too fast? |
| 22:49:35 | bluebroth3r | embedding 15MB fonts doesn't sound like a good idea, as it would also require updating the theme editor every time a font gets updates. Doesn't happen too often, but well ... |
| 22:49:55 | funman | more than 2x too fast |
| 22:50:08 | funman | how can i check samplerate in rockbox? |
| 22:50:11 | saratoga | 2x would have made sense, no idea then |
| 22:50:26 | saratoga | the standard test file is a 44.1khz HE file |
| 22:50:59 | bluebroth3r | bieber: I guess it shouldn't be a problem to have the fonts separately available for download in a specific location. Needs to get done on the download server of course. |
| 22:51:02 | saratoga | but HE encodes everything at half sample rate and then upsamples during decoding, so to the AAC-LC stuff in rockbox it looks like a 22.05khz file (but rockbox playback only get its after its converted to 44.1) |
| 22:51:26 | bieber | bluebroth3r: What is RBUtil using for ZIP files? I just found out that Qt has QCompress()/QUncompress(), which use zlib |
| 22:51:56 | funman | saratoga: perhaps it would make sense to just force the backlight on in test_codec? |
| 22:52:09 | saratoga | already added it to my build :) |
| 22:52:17 | saratoga | just wondered if it was something more generally wrong |
| 22:52:36 | bluebroth3r | bieber: see rbutilqt/zip |
| 22:53:40 | saratoga | advance_buffer_loc looks wrong to me |
| 22:53:43 | saratoga | and only mp3 uses it |
| 22:53:55 | saratoga | and only targets with < 8MB of RAM :) |
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| 22:55:08 | bieber | bluebroth3r: Should we try to move the zip code into a common directory, or just copy/paste it? |
| 22:56:11 | amiconn | bertrik: Regading leaving plugins - why is button_clear_queue() called? |
| 22:57:01 | amiconn | This function should only be used if absolutely necessary - it's nasty to get your events eaten unpredictively |
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| 22:58:09 | CIA-6 | New commit by bieber (r27300): Theme Editor: Added the built-in font to the project resources |
| 22:58:15 | amiconn | Buschel: Do you think aac could be made dual core on PP? (thinking of aac-he...) |
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| 22:59:17 | saratoga | amiconn: yes it can be |
| 22:59:23 | saratoga | but first it needs to be better optimized |
| 22:59:32 | saratoga | at the moment the HE parts take more then 80MHz on PP |
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| 23:00:00 | CIA-6 | r27300 build result: All green |
| 23:00:03 | saratoga | this could quite easily be fixed, the ffmpeg people have been nice enough to rewrite the 3 slowest functions using the best known algorithms |
| 23:00:09 | saratoga | and they're not very complicated |
| 23:00:17 | Buschel | PP5022: 130 MHz (with current svn and 64kaache.m4a) |
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| 23:01:46 | saratoga | i think with effort real time decoding on one core shoul dbe possible |
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| 23:02:17 | Buschel | saratoga: yes |
| 23:02:41 | * | amiconn wonders how fast aac-he is on coldfire |
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| 23:02:59 | saratoga | sloooooow |
| 23:03:02 | Buschel | maybe we should also think about splitting aac-he to be able to allocate more data to iram |
| 23:03:17 | saratoga | basically right now the problem is that AAC uses really dumb subband filterbanks |
| 23:03:27 | Buschel | amiconn: want to try a aac-he patch? on coldifre? :o) |
| 23:03:31 | saratoga | which are then badly optimized by gcc |
| 23:03:33 | amiconn | IRAM is not always a good idea. Beware of the non-single-cycle parts on PP5020 |
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| 23:03:56 | Buschel | amiconn: this can be handled for different CPUs of course |
| 23:04:11 | saratoga | FWIW i bet we could share the same IRAM buffers between the HE and LC parts, they're never run at the same time (on single core anyway) |
| 23:04:30 | amiconn | Ironically this means that with proper optimisation, codecs are often faster on PP5002 in spite of its broken cache |
| 23:04:55 | amiconn | (faster than PP5020, obviously. Never faster than PP5022) |
| 23:05:49 | amiconn | saratoga: They're separate code paths? |
| 23:06:03 | amiconn | I thought -he is some kind of extension of -lc |
| 23:06:29 | funman | SBR |
| 23:07:07 | funman | AAC doesn't use range coding? |
| 23:07:21 | saratoga | amiconn: AAC+ is an AAC-LC file with an added part |
| 23:07:32 | saratoga | so basically you completely decode a normal LC file, then feed it into a second decoder |
| 23:07:47 | amiconn | Hmm, but then you do need the -lc code path |
| 23:08:07 | saratoga | yeah, but they're run sequentially, so buffers could be shared between them without loss of data |
| 23:08:31 | amiconn | Hmm, and you don't need the old buffer to decode the next part? |
| 23:08:38 | saratoga | and fortunately it looks like they can share at least some of the same look up tables (e.g. the ffmpeg use the same trig tables for both parts) |
| 23:09:04 | saratoga | you'll need to save at least 512 samples IIRC to decode the next block, but thats not much memory |
| 23:09:11 | amiconn | Different q - isn't sbr similar to qmf, or am I mixng up things? |
| 23:09:21 | saratoga | its implemented with a QMF typically |
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| 23:09:42 | amiconn | Well, qmf should be very well emac'ifiable on coldfire |
| 23:10:02 | saratoga | essentially what the SBR encoder does is 2 subband decomposition and then create an AAC-LC of the lower frequency subband |
| 23:10:27 | saratoga | the decoder then reverses the process, decoding the LC file, and then doing an iQMF to get the time domain samples |
| 23:10:44 | saratoga | except since the upper subband isn't transmitted some tricks are needed to guess what it looked like |
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| 23:11:05 | bluebroth3r | bieber: sorry, had a phone call |
| 23:11:22 | saratoga | i need to dig into the ffmpeg code more, they actually use an MDCT in place of the QMF in one part, which would be a very nice trick since we have a very fast MDCT in rockbox already |
| 23:11:37 | saratoga | the rest could probably share the ATRAC3 QMF which is also very fast |
| 23:11:54 | bluebroth3r | for now I would simply use the source files via relative paths. I was considering to merge rbutil/ and utils/ anyway, and we could do that in that run |
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| 23:12:15 | saratoga | since AAC-HE is so similar to ATRAC (except ATRAC uses 3 or 4 subbands depending on the flavor while AAC-HE only uses 2) |
| 23:12:48 | saratoga | i don't think AAC-HE optimization is a hard problem, its just a boring one since who uses AAC HE :) |
| 23:13:16 | * | amiconn doesn't use aac at all |
| 23:13:45 | bieber | bluebroth3r: Okay |
| 23:13:51 | saratoga | yeah its not very useful if you can use mp3, wma or vorbis |
| 23:13:56 | bieber | I think I'm going to be spending a little while figuring out the font format anyways, so we've got some time ;) |
| 23:14:18 | saratoga | just layers and layers of crap designed to hit as many mpeg-la patents as possible |
| 23:14:31 | bluebroth3r | good. I was planning some Rockbox work for tonight but RL kept me away :( |
| 23:15:02 | bieber | RL? |
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| 23:15:33 | saratoga | FWIW I'm pretty impressed with WMA Pro, in some ways its a remarkably simple format, yet it seems to do as well as AAC |
| 23:15:48 | bluebroth3r | Real Life. |
| 23:15:57 | Buschel | saratoga/amiconn: in the meanwhile (until anyone of us or somebody else will start to rework libfaad) -> http://www.pastebin.org/383990 |
| 23:15:58 | bertrik | amiconn, button_clear_queue is called unconditionally after just after the plugin returns, it looks like it's been this way since svn r4907 |
| 23:16:27 | bieber | Oh, lol |
| 23:16:31 | bluebroth3r | hmm, simply putting all below rbutil/ would create a utils/tools folder. Sounds a bit weird :o |
| 23:16:47 | saratoga | buschel: you sure I can't convince you to port the ffmpeg replacement for sbr_qmf_analysis_32 ? |
| 23:16:51 | saratoga | i've got it right here :) |
| 23:16:52 | bluebroth3r | though I guess that shouldn't be much of a problem :) |
| 23:17:15 | saratoga | huh got MP3 working in test codec but AAC-HE still breaks |
| 23:17:28 | Buschel | saratoga: my wife will kill me ;o) |
| 23:17:52 | funman | encoder plugin progresses: now loading an encoder from the plugin fails ;) |
| 23:17:58 | Buschel | saratoga: hwo does this aac-he breaking look like? |
| 23:18:37 | saratoga | Buschel: i think its my fault trying to fix test codec |
| 23:18:54 | Buschel | good :) (for me) |
| 23:18:58 | saratoga | oh no |
| 23:19:01 | saratoga | no its your fault :) |
| 23:19:14 | saratoga | just tried playing it outside of the test_codec and its all screwe dup too |
| 23:19:18 | saratoga | haha thought I broke it |
| 23:19:33 | Buschel | which revision do you use? |
| 23:19:38 | saratoga | current SVN |
| 23:19:42 | saratoga | time scale is off |
| 23:19:50 | saratoga | it advanced 10 second in the first 2 seconds of playback |
| 23:19:58 | saratoga | and the audio is way pitch shifted |
| 23:20:07 | saratoga | did you touch aac.c lately? |
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| 23:21:28 | Buschel | I have touched a lot of aac code in the last days... nevertheless the 64kaache file works fine on my iPod and my sim |
| 23:21:42 | saratoga | i tested on a clipv1 |
| 23:22:07 | saratoga | did you use the standard aache test track? |
| 23:22:20 | Buschel | yes |
| 23:22:23 | saratoga | huh |
| 23:22:30 | saratoga | i wonder whats different about the clip |
| 23:22:38 | saratoga | oh wait |
| 23:22:47 | Buschel | there might be other #defines? |
| 23:22:49 | saratoga | yes |
| 23:22:54 | saratoga | this is probably my fault |
| 23:24:13 | saratoga | "Disable AAC-SBR, AAC-SSR, and AAC-PS on Sansa clip. Clean up warnings introduced by this. Enable compiling the AAC codec on the Clip. Due to lack of memory for seek tables, files over 10 minutes long or so will probably fail." |
| 23:24:17 | Buschel | what is MEMORYSIZE for a clip? |
| 23:24:28 | saratoga | you'd think I'd remember committing that :) |
| 23:25:03 | funman | Buschel: 2 |
| 23:25:05 | saratoga | so basically its just decoding the LC part of the file, but not setting the sample rate correctly |
| 23:25:28 | funman | saratoga: tables don't fit in iram? |
| 23:25:48 | saratoga | funman: it fits but then theres hardly any left over for the seek table, so files have to be very short or they fail |
| 23:25:57 | saratoga | IIRC |
| 23:26:29 | saratoga | so i disabled the HE stuff until someone got around to fixing the MP4 parser to not need tones of memory for seek tables |
| 23:26:52 | saratoga | there needs to be a check for MEMORYSIZE < 2 that corrects for the reduced sample rate of the LC file |
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| 23:27:21 | saratoga | or I guess SBR_DEC would be a better check |
| 23:27:46 | Buschel | SBR_DEC is not set if MEM <= 2 |
| 23:28:15 | saratoga | Buschel: did adding that check for SBR_DEC in aac.c the other day cause this? |
| 23:29:53 | Buschel | saratoga: talking of r27231? no, not I know of. |
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| 23:30:06 | Russel-Athletic | hiho |
| 23:30:34 | Russel-Athletic | i made a custom theme but with the latest svn release it does not work, what is the best way to find out what is going wrong? |
| 23:30:42 | Russel-Athletic | (theme will not load) |
| 23:30:50 | saratoga | Buschel: if forceUpsampling is set it should probably still allocate that buffer even if SBR is disabled though? |
| 23:31:31 | bieber | Russel-Athletic: Is your theme using the old format for your WPS files? i.e. do your tags look like %tagname|option1|option2|option3? |
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| 23:31:51 | Buschel | saratoga: this sequence was copied from libfaad/specrec.c |
| 23:32:24 | Buschel | saratoga: can you just try to go back to pre-r27225 for aac.c and libfaad? |
| 23:32:34 | saratoga | trying now |
| 23:32:35 | Russel-Athletic | bieber: probably, at least i have a line like %?m<stopped|playing|paused|ffwd|rew> |
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| 23:33:22 | bieber | Russel-Athletic: That's the correct form for conditionals, but tags by themselves should now look like %tag(option, option) |
| 23:35:10 | Russel-Athletic | i am sorry, i am not sure, here is the theme http://pastebin.com/WBxz8CBL |
| 23:35:57 | Russel-Athletic | i removed the # at the start |
| 23:36:03 | bieber | Yeah, that's in the old format |
| 23:36:29 | bieber | There's a converter in the SVN tree somewhere to convert it to the new format, but I don't know exactly where it is. I'm sure someone around here does, though |
| 23:37:06 | bieber | Found it: it's in /utils/skinupdater |
| 23:37:15 | Russel-Athletic | thanks i will try it |
| 23:38:17 | Buschel | saratoga: I can reproduce the failure in the pcsim if I use "#if 0" instead of "#if MEMORYSIEZ > 2" in libfaad/common.h |
| 23:38:42 | saratoga | Buschel: did you configure a sim with < 2MB of RAM? |
| 23:39:21 | Buschel | saratoga: just a local change in common.h |
| 23:39:45 | saratoga | but you needed it because your sim had > 2MB of RAM right? |
| 23:39:58 | Buschel | yes |
| 23:40:04 | saratoga | ok sounds right |
| 23:40:29 | saratoga | compiling an older build now, just taking a while since i didn't have a checkout ready |
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| 23:42:38 | saratoga | Buschel: no still broken in r27200 |
| 23:43:07 | saratoga | maybe its been broken all year and no one noticed |
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| 23:44:10 | Buschel | saratoga: you were 1 min faster. tested with r27224 -> same error |
| 23:44:31 | saratoga | can we use forceUpSampling to make it output the correct number of samples? |
| 23:45:23 | Buschel | forceUpSampling is hrdwired to the SBR_DEC define |
| 23:45:28 | Buschel | *hardwired |
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| 23:47:47 | bieber | In a FNT file, shouldn't noffset and nwidth be the same? Does each character not need an offset and a width specified? |
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| 23:48:10 | saratoga | sample rate is off by about 4x according to my watch which doesn't really make sense |
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| 23:50:52 | fml | Torne: Hello! Will you also provide the description of the new feature for the manual? What bookmarks are updated? Just in the current dir? Or all (where)? |
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| 23:53:43 | Torne | Oh, I forgot about the manual.. |
| 23:53:58 | Torne | it saves a bookmark if the file it would save it to already exists |
| 23:54:16 | amiconn | bieber: The offset table is optional. If the font is fixed width *and* the defined glyphs have no gap, the offsets can be calculated |
| 23:54:28 | bieber | Okay |
| 23:55:17 | amiconn | The font format is derived from microwindows (called nano-x nowadays) |
| 23:56:29 | bieber | So let me see if I'm more or less understanding the format. After the header, there's just a dump of the image data for all the fonts, it's padded to a 16 bit boundary, then there's an array of offsets into the image data for each character, followed by width data if necessary? |
| 23:57:40 | saratoga | Buschel: just correcting the sample rate in rockbox doesn't help |
| 23:58:28 | amiconn | Both the width table and the offset table are optional |
| 23:58:47 | Buschel | saratoga: the failure definately comes in when disabling SBR_DEC |
| 23:58:54 | amiconn | The width table is only present for proportional fonts, for fixed width it is unnecessary and hence missing |
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