#rockbox 2010-07-13

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#rockbox log for 2010-07-13

00:01:07		Quit scorche (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
00:02:05	M4dison	Open a new command promt window (Windowskey+R->cmd.exe). CD to the 'rbinstall' folder ('cd Desktop\rbinstall')
00:02:08	M4dison	!?!?
00:02:33	M4dison	do I need to write : 'cd Desktop\rbinstall'
00:02:37	M4dison	?
00:03:57	M4dison	help me please!
00:04:17	bluebrother	M4dison: what are you trying to do?
00:04:34	M4dison	http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaAMS this for windows
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00:04:59	M4dison	I have done step 1-2-3-4
00:05:01	bluebrother	That's the page for the AMS Sansa players.
00:05:08	M4dison	I need the step 5
00:05:24	bluebrother	I don't see any numbered steps on that page
00:05:30	M4dison	?
00:05:51	bluebrother	There are bulleted lists, but no numbered lists on that page
00:05:52	M4dison	bottom page
00:06:09	M4dison	ok I'm a t the 5th bullet
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00:07:02	bluebrother	have you read that "Automatic installation with RockboxUtility is recommended and far easier"?
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00:07:23	M4dison	yep but I can't see the sansa fuze V1
00:07:26	M4dison	link
00:07:32	bluebrother	(plus, I still don't have _any_ idea which bullet you're referring to)
00:07:57	M4dison	Open a new command promt window (Windowskey+R->cmd.exe). CD to the 'rbinstall' folder ('cd Desktop\rbinstall') this one
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00:08:44	M4dison	where is the automatic install for sansa fuze V1 ?
00:08:46	bluebrother	why are you trying to install manuallyß
00:08:48	bluebrother	?
00:09:02	M4dison	because I can't find the automatic install for sansa fuze V1
00:09:10	bluebrother	"MANUAL INSTALLATION IS DISCOURAGED IF YOU DON'T FEEL CONFIDENT ABOUT IT, USE THE AUTOMATIC METHOD ABOVE"
00:09:14	M4dison	because I can't find the automatic install for sansa fuze V1
00:09:34	bluebrother	so why aren't you just searching the page for "automatic installation"?
00:09:38	bluebrother	or something similar?
00:10:01	M4dison	hey man, I have not time to waste
00:10:17	pixelma	but we have?
00:10:21	M4dison	if you want help you are welcome, otherwise stop bother
00:10:25	bluebrother	me neither. You want me to leave immediately?
00:10:43	M4dison	I have said 100 times I can't find automatic for fuze v1
00:10:49	bluebrother	M4dison: watch your tone
00:11:02	M4dison	and you whatch your wordss
00:11:09	bluebrother	Press Ctrl-F in your browser. Type "automatic install"
00:11:32	M4dison	I need automatic for my model
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00:12:37	pixelma	M4dison: he wanted to help, (a) follow the link right above (b) you could probably have found it when following saratoga's advice about reading the manual. (3) if you get upset you won't get any help at all
00:12:46	bluebrother	and have you followed that link? Does it say _anything_ that the linked automatic installation doesn't work on fuzev1?
00:13:17	bluebrother	M4dison: and if you continue insulting people you have to face the reactions
00:13:30	bluebrother	if you don't want help please leave.
00:14:01	M4dison	Guys you make cookie cutters and don't be snob with be. bye bye noobs with a shit of web and fail apps
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00:14:08	bluebrother	There's also the manual that includes the official instructions on how to install. It's pretty heavily linked: http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-sansafuze/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-90002.2.1
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00:16:37	bluebrother	bah.
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00:32:56	S_a_i_n_t	Well, that guy was a dick.
00:33:32	S_a_i_n_t	We're noobs 'cos he can't figure out the installation...that's an interesting way of looking at it.
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01:38:27	simonrvn	he has no time to waste, but does the manual install method. wth.
01:38:37	*	simonrvn sighs
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01:46:48	n1s	well, a quick unzip and run of your choice of patcher is usually faster from a CLI :)
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01:51:56	simonrvn	for you and me maybe ;)
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02:02:04	Largenumber	I see that the website says the Sansa e260v2 is "supported", but there has been some confusion around the internet. I am asking: is it 100% supported?
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02:07:24	kugel	\o/
02:09:11	*	kugel now installs rockbox properly
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02:11:08	kugel	buildzip.pl is a beast
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02:22:01	*	Strife89 was having some disk issues a little while ago but doesn't have enough evidence to say whether it was a problem with the disk itself, or Rockbox.
02:23:07	Strife89	Basically, I started one song, decided it wasn't the one I wanted to listen to, and (rather quickly) moved to another song in the file browser and loaded it.
02:23:35	Strife89	The disk proceeded to churn for a good two-three minutes, which seemed much longer than necessary.
02:24:33	Strife89	I did not use "Playlist->Insert" to load just the one song for either case; both times I loaded a song near the middle of a folder (alphabetically).
02:26:20	Strife89	The songs in question were VBR (as an example of quality, one averages 216 kbps) and are mostly 3-4 MB (time-wise, rather short tunes). Not really any particularly demanding codec.
02:27:53	Strife89	The DAP is an iPod Video 60GB (so it has 64 MB of RAM), currently running revision 27335 ("stock" build, no patches).
02:28:08	Strife89	Fixin' to update it, though.
02:28:58	Strife89	With all that said, any opinions on what the reason for the extended disk activity might have been?
02:31:15	Strife89	Notes on current settings:
02:31:22	n1s	Strife89: to start off, if you just click a song in a dir, the whole buffer will be flushed and as much music as possible will be buffered, so ~ 60MB (not that that should take minutes but a good few seconds at least)
02:31:42	Strife89	Antiskip: 30 seconds
02:31:46	n1s	assuming that the dir contains that much music
02:32:27	Strife89	This particular directory contained about 50 tracks of varying (but mostly <3 minutes) length.
02:32:38	n1s	antiskip increases the size of and watermark (IIRC) of the decoded pcm bbuffer and so decreases the compressed audio buffer size
02:32:57	Strife89	dircache: on
02:33:04	Strife89	tagcache_ram: on
02:33:10	n1s	that sounds like a full rebuffer, was anything like database update running at the time?
02:33:39	Strife89	Not that I'm aware of, but I do maintain the Database from time to time.
02:33:44	Strife89	Manually only, though.
02:34:15	Strife89	Theme: Azure (if it means anything)
02:34:38	Strife89	Last.fm logging: on (not sure how often that writes to disk)
02:34:51	n1s	oh, right what codec and are you using any dsp
02:35:13	Strife89	No DSP on. EQ, dithering, etc. all turned off.
02:35:26	n1s	basically, anything that is accessing the disk or sucking a lot of cpu will slow down buffernig
02:35:37	Strife89	Hmmm.
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02:36:01	*	Strife89 hits the figurative reset button on his settings.
02:36:17	n1s	are they mp3 files?
02:36:31	Strife89	<Strife89> The songs in question were VBR (as an example of quality, one averages 216 kbps) and are mostly 3-4 MB (time-wise, rather short tunes). Not really any particularly demanding codec.
02:36:57	Strife89	... that is, as far as I'm aware.
02:37:56	Strife89	Fixin' to update and trash my settings in one go to see if there's any difference.
02:38:10	Strife89	I've backed up my .rockbox directory as usual.
02:38:33	n1s	well, different codecs make a difference, mp3 is very fast on PP while aac is pretty slow
02:39:27	Strife89	I understand that.
02:40:12	Strife89	I try to stick with ogg Vorbis and MP3 for this reason, since AFAIK they get respectable speeds on most, if not all, swcodec targets.
02:40:42	n1s	yeah, vorbis is decent
02:41:42	Strife89	If I have access to the source (and the disk space to spare), I tend to rip to FLAC and leave it that way, disk-space-panic notwithstanding.
02:41:55	Strife89	How's FLAC's performance in general?
02:42:05	n1s	flack is very fast
02:42:10	n1s	flac, even
02:42:11	Strife89	:)
02:43:27	Strife89	I think I'll delete the database files, etc. in the root of .rockbox and rebuild those from scratch.
02:44:58	Strife89	Save my config file, which I'm just renaming.
02:48:31	Strife89	r2405, clean of cache files, booting ....
02:48:47	joecool	hey, i would like to get tcctool working on the cowon j3. I do not have experience reverse-engineering firmwares, but I would imagine the process to get it working with the j3 would be similar to what was required with the s9
02:49:52	joecool	i waited a few days for linuxstb to pop in here figuring he'd know the most about tcctool, but is there anyone else who has a handle on it? (i have a bricked unit i'm willing to screw around with to get it working)
02:51:16	Strife89	I loaded the first song I played last time. Buffering took about 46 seconds.
02:51:49	Strife89	(Measured crudely by watching the song times until the disk stopped churning.)
02:53:08	Strife89	When Rockbox transitioned to the next song, it took about 5 seconds to update the WPS (which appeared to freeze during that time)
02:53:10	Strife89	.
02:53:21	n1s	Strife89: i just remembered, it could be FS #11168
02:53:40	*	Strife89 looks it up.
02:54:29	Strife89	Ah.
02:55:13	Strife89	I surmise that the theme I was using used a similarly large-ish font.
02:55:27	Strife89	In fact .... goes to check
02:57:05	Strife89	Yep, it uses the exact same font as Cabbie v2.
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03:25:00	saratoga	is crossfade expected to make volume changes lag?
03:28:02	Strife89	Huh.
03:28:47	Strife89	I made some changes to settings (including enabling dircache), rebooted, and then hit Initialize Now for the database,
03:29:17	Strife89	and I just noticed that it's apparently crashed with a completely blank screen.
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03:40:51	S_a_i_n_t	fwfw, I updated to 27398 and it is running very slowly.
03:41:22	S_a_i_n_t	Seems to be an awful lot of disk access also, and this is on flash targets, so I imagine HD targets would cop it worse.
03:41:44	S_a_i_n_t	Strife89: ^
03:42:03	Strife89	Huh.
03:43:15	S_a_i_n_t	It isn't however, a clean build. (I have many a patch installed) But my build usually run very fast, probably no faster than SVN, but definitely not any slower (noticably)
03:44:05	Strife89	:/
03:44:20	S_a_i_n_t	I have just noticed that changing a theme/font etc. seems to take a number of seconds on my Nanos now when they used to load almost instantly
03:46:25	JdGordon	do a binchop
03:46:29	JdGordon	figure out what done it
03:47:16	S_a_i_n_t	I'll put a clean SVN build on when I get home and see if it's just my build first.
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03:59:30	Strife89	n1s mentioned that it might have to do with FS #11168.
03:59:58	S_a_i_n_t	Hmmm...I'll have a look at that flyspray entry shortly
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04:07:51	S_a_i_n_t	JdGordon: Did you still want those directional arrows for your Cowon's .sbs? http://imgur.com/URVVl.png <−−Imgur preview, and http://www.datafilehost.com/download-ab4faf96.html <−−Direct download
04:09:20	JdGordon	are they updated?
04:09:29	JdGordon	i have the ones you did ages ago still...
04:09:46	S_a_i_n_t	It'll be slightly different to the last ones I did, yes.
04:10:08	S_a_i_n_t	this one has large/small arrows, and I threw in a + and - sign also.
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04:38:23	CIA-6	New commit by 03funman (r27406): genlang-features: simplify generation
04:40:55	CIA-6	r27406 build result: All green
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04:59:27	S_a_i_n_t	Eeeeeek!
04:59:45	S_a_i_n_t	Pictureflow is awfully slow on a Nano1G now with music playing.
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05:00:05	S_a_i_n_t	It used to run perfectly, and only the Nano2G was affected in this way.
05:00:31	S_a_i_n_t	Now, it seems both the Nanos have fallen victim to whatever it is causing the slowdown/choppyness.
05:02:04	S_a_i_n_t	Hmmm, yes. With playback paused, Pictureflow runs fine. Commence playback and it runs like a bag of crap :-/
05:05:24	S_a_i_n_t	59fps with playback paused, 25 whilst playing.
05:09:40	Dhraakellian	and isn't Nano1G a monochrome target?
05:12:51	soap	no
05:14:40	*	Dhraakellian might be thinking of the non-nano 1G?
05:15:04	Dhraakellian	coverflow on the Clip+ is... odd
05:15:08	Dhraakellian	not so much as Doom on the clip+
05:16:11	Strife89	Dhraakellian: Or perhaps the Mini line.
05:16:39	Dhraakellian	okay
05:16:56	*	Dhraakellian is a Sansa guy anyway, so ignore his ramblings when it comes to the Apple stuff?
05:17:06	Strife89	:P
05:24:34	*	S_a_i_n_t ignores Dhraakellian's ramblings about everything ;)
05:24:54	Dhraakellian	nice to know I'm loved on the interwebz
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06:44:38	saratoga	did someone just manage to spam the rockbox-committers list?
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06:59:13	scorche	looks like it
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07:01:00	joecool	is there something I can do to get Cowon J3 support added to tcctool? should I write into mailing list or is there any information I can provide?
07:03:03	joecool	I have a bricked unit, will probably return if the dev community here sees no interest (S9 support was not added so long ago but I am unsure with how this guy did it http://iaudiophile.net/forums/showthread.php?p=290059#post290059 )
07:03:53	saratoga	joecool: if you're not working on it I wouldn't count on someone else to do it for you
07:03:55	joecool	the two units are fairly similar, I did try to run the tool on the J3 with the S9 settings (and J3 firmware of course), which reported back successfully but still does not power on
07:06:07	joecool	saratoga: no, I would like to work on it, I just need to know what to look for and see if anyone would be helpful here. I'm looking to track down the SDCFG to modify tcctool with
07:06:23	saratoga	what does the SDCFG register do?
07:07:59	joecool	apparently the SDRAM is different for the J3 model, I do not know too many details, just started looking into doing this now
07:09:07	saratoga	if its just the SDRAM configuration, its probably not too hard to guess a working value
07:09:39	saratoga	i expect picking the slowest timings for everything is unlikely to fail
07:10:02	joecool	which from what i gathered is what they did with the s9 to get it working
07:10:30	joecool	yes it is the configuration
07:18:14	joecool	ok i think i can do this
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08:05:28	joecool	YEAH FUCK YEAH
08:05:34	joecool	(sorry for language)
08:05:36	joecool	i unbricked it
08:05:38	joecool	:)
08:05:52	joecool	i'll provide the value to you guys in a sec so you can commit to SVN
08:06:58	simonrvn	nice
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08:11:00	joecool	might have to look at the vfat driver though on linux though.... does not seem to play nice with the j3
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08:13:58	joecool	{"cowonj3", "Cowon J3", 0xb057, 0x20000000, 0xaaac7800 }
08:15:10	joecool	^^ there you are, works
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08:50:50	joecool	um.. i think the value for the S9 should be the same as mine as well
08:51:14	joecool	i did another search and that joey guy used the same one on the S9.... the value that's in SVN might be wrong
08:51:30	joecool	lemme find the post
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08:56:51	knittl	hi. was there a bug in recent rockbox builds where during a song another song would play for a few seconds?
08:57:00	knittl	(sansa e200v2)
08:58:55	S_a_i_n_t	knittl: Dunno, check the bug tracker.
08:59:00	S_a_i_n_t	http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index.php?show_task=
08:59:20	knittl	no time now ^^
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09:01:40	knittl	and i really don't what keywords to use ;)
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09:07:10	joecool	it would appear that it's a different value depending on the size of the storage for the s9 or j3
09:07:22	joecool	so the 32gb j3 probably has the same value as the 32gb s9
09:07:42	joecool	that's just a guess, but i'm about 90% sure that's the case
09:08:02	joecool	i'll have to brick my friend's S9 and give it a shot :)
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12:09:33	kugel	gevaerts: I fixed buildzip.pl to properly install rockbox (not only the app, but also the sim and target builds). I could commit it separately but it's incompatible with RaaA in svn
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12:09:48	gevaerts	great :)
12:10:24	gevaerts	Maybe commit the new buildzip.pl first and then the RaaA fix? RaaA isn't autobuilt yet
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12:26:43	JdGordon	mc2739: ping
12:28:45	kugel	gevaerts: using the install tool is ok, isn't it?
12:29:40	gevaerts	on linux it's going to be generally available I think. I don't know about cygwin. I suspect it's fine, but maybe someone should check
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12:30:04	gevaerts	it's in coreutils on my system
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12:42:30	kugel	gevaerts: I suspect most installations from source in cygwin would fail if it wasn't there
12:42:56	kugel	although the way I use install in buildzip.pl it's interchangeable with cp
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13:26:35	mc2739	JdGordon: pong
13:26:59	JdGordon	hey, I was giong to ask you for the widecabbie theme but found one that crashes also
13:28:10	mc2739	ok, I meant to upload it to the task, but I guess I forgot
13:28:46	JdGordon	I've got the progressbar working, and I tihnk the same problem caused the image clipping
13:30:42	JdGordon	just gotta get this stupid crash to stop happening
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13:37:12	JdGordon	why the hell does cabbie's progressbar work but no other themes?
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13:38:35	mc2739	maybe because cabbie does not use viewports
13:38:51	S_a_i_n_t	bieber: pingerooney?
13:40:16	JdGordon	mc2739: good call! that must be it... now why the FUCK would that make a difference? :'(
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13:48:25	mc2739	JdGordon: on e200v2, switching themes it will sometimes crash with a data abort at address 3002737c - according to the map file, that is find_viewport in skin_parser.c
13:49:46	JdGordon	I'm beggining to think that is actually the case
13:49:46	JdGordon	it seriously doesnt make sense!
13:49:46	JdGordon	when all else fails... comment out code!
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13:50:30	JdGordon	ok thanks
13:51:41	JdGordon	one problem at a time though :)
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14:20:37	kugel	gevaerts: have you had a look at my git tree (the gsoc-dir-split branch) in the meanwhile?
14:21:08	gevaerts	not yet
14:21:21	gevaerts	yesterday evening was a bit busy
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14:59:03	kugel	S_a_i_n_t: can you check if install is available in cygwin?
14:59:11	kugel	install −−help should do it
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16:46:02	n1s	kugel: lines 625-626 seem pretty useless now in buildzip.pl :)
16:46:44	kugel	hehe
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16:52:52	esj123	I am a bit confused about my player. Did the due diligence and I'm further confused. The player is a sansa e260v2. The firmware says it's v1 (01.02.24a). The rockbox autoidentify utility doesn't recognize the device
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16:53:29	esj123	Suggestions?
16:54:10	gevaerts	esj123: if the firmware says v1, it's v1. Did you buy it new or refurbished?
16:54:42	gevaerts	It's not uncommon for refurbished players to have the wrong case, so a v1 might say v2 on the back
16:54:43	CIA-6	r27409 build result: All green
16:55:24	gevaerts	If rockbox utility doesn't recognise the device, I'd guess it's in MTP mode instead of MSC, but I'm not sure
16:55:25	esj123	it's a refurbished unit I assume by the R embossed on the back in a careless way. It was a gift from a friend of mine after he found an iPod nano at a flea market for $15
16:55:52	esj123	let me verify the mode yet again
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16:57:24	esj123	Settings-USB mode msc
16:57:53	esj123	so that's the right mode for this application
16:57:59	gevaerts	it is, yes
16:58:10	esj123	that's interesting that they don't always get the right cases on refurbished units
16:58:46	gevaerts	Actually, I'm not sure if anyone has ever reported a refurbished sansa that had the correct case :)
16:58:49	esj123	I should take it back for a refund... oh wait, I got it for free. :-)
16:59:43	esj123	Sounds like I'm probably not being a complete idiot with this.
16:59:49	gevaerts	Which operating system are you using? Windows?
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17:00:45	esj123	Windows 7. it's a downside of being hand disabled (RSI)
17:01:34	gevaerts	OK, I don't know anything about rockbox utility on windows 7. Maybe device detection is a bit broken there...
17:01:42	*	gevaerts looks around for people who do know
17:02:41	esj123	well, I can flip over to Linux (dual-boot machine)
17:03:09	esj123	I'm just not sure how the USB/music player interface will go
17:03:35	n1s	usb usually works fine in linux
17:03:43	pixelma	is the mode literally called "MSC"?
17:04:37	esj123	okay. Let me go get breakfast before I try this. :-)
17:05:56	esj123	One thing I really dislike about the transition between Windows and Linux is that I use a Bluetooth keyboard for when I do type and I have to re-pair the keyboard every time I make a switch. Wish there was someway to use the same pairing on both sides
17:06:43	esj123	okay, I'll be back after a take care of a few morning things I appreciate the help and attention
17:07:04	n1s	hmm, why do libcook and libatrac include ffmpeg_bitstream.c in their own SOURCES instead of building it as a part of the codec lib, and also why does libwma have its own copy of the ffmpeg bitstream.[ch] ?
17:07:19	gevaerts	pixelma: I think so, at least in some versions
17:10:22	saratoga	n1s: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev&revision=22347
17:11:15	pixelma	gevaerts: I just tried to make sure it's not an "R"...
17:11:25	gevaerts	oh, right
17:11:30	pixelma	or at least that was my intention
17:12:13	n1s	saratoga: ah, and i suppose there would be a symbol clash with the lib for wma if the lib included the bitstream.c
17:12:14	*	gevaerts of course hadn't thought of that
17:13:05	pixelma	esj123: just making sure - the USB options in the OF are not called "Plays for sure" or "Rhapsody"?
17:13:20	saratoga	combining them makes sense though if it can be done cleanly
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17:15:19	gevaerts	ok, it's definitely a plain e200v1 then
17:15:26	n1s	saratoga: yes, i'll take a look
17:16:27	n1s	hmm, wma compiles cleanly with the c file in the codec lib at least
17:18:43	esj123	msc and mtp are the modes
17:22:27	saratoga	does it play? the svn message mentions alignment issues
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18:49:17	kugel	hm, the database crashes in the app
18:50:55	kugel	I assume it cannot deal with the number of files
18:53:56	kugel	or stack overflow
18:55:04	kugel	yea, check_dir
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18:56:22	kugel	maybe it would be a good idea to disallow building the database over / in RaaA
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18:58:05	gevaerts	Will that solve the problem?
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18:59:01	kugel	uhm, depends what you mean with solve
18:59:56	kugel	but if we want to give the users 1 (or more) music dirs to mount into the file browser, then going through the entire filesystem doesn't make much sense
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19:00:05	gevaerts	that's true
19:01:49	gevaerts	I think it's worth considering increasing directory-recursive stacks for RaaA too though. We're not going to run this on 2MB devices
19:02:09	kugel	how?
19:02:38	kugel	we have no control over the stack on hosted systems
19:03:00	gevaerts	hm
19:03:06	kugel	not with sdl at least. pth gives some control
19:03:12	gevaerts	right, we ignore the given stack size...
19:03:28	gevaerts	Isn't the default stack on linux 8MB or so?
19:03:35	kugel	I'm not even sure anymore if it's really the stack. but check_dir() calls itself and I get a segfault so I suspected that
19:04:48	gevaerts	I'm pretty sure it's something different
19:07:26	kugel	it crashes in /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.32-22-generic/, which has a lot of symlinks
19:07:54	gevaerts	hm, maybe recursive symlinks?
19:08:07	gevaerts	possibly breaking PATH_MAX
19:08:34	kugel	our MAX_PATH is probably quite easy to break from /
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19:19:06	kugel	gevaerts: "virt -> ../linux-headers-2.6.32-22/virt" :/
19:19:11	gevaerts	ah
19:19:14	gevaerts	right
19:19:22	gevaerts	This gets tricky :)
19:20:15	gevaerts	kugel: is the path argument to get_user_file_path() supposed to always begin with ROCKBOX_DIR?
19:20:26	kugel	yea
19:20:29	gevaerts	ok
19:20:32	kugel	otherwise it doesn't work
19:20:58	gevaerts	In that case, I'd just say "end=path+strlen(ROCKBOX_DIR)"
19:21:17	kugel	hm, not a bad idea
19:21:36	gevaerts	possibly if DEBUG is defined a strncpy() first to check if it's correct
19:23:10	kugel	strncpy?
19:23:14	gevaerts	*cmp
19:23:18	*	gevaerts apologises
19:23:23	kugel	no problem!
19:23:34	gevaerts	does gcc detect this strlen(fixed string) and optimise it away? If not, maybe store this, it's a bit silly to calculate the length of a compile-time constant every time
19:23:50	kugel	sizeof(ROCKBOX_DIR) works as well
19:24:00	kugel	see paths.h :p
19:24:11	gevaerts	oh, you have ROCKBOX_DIR_LEN already
19:24:36	gevaerts	paths.c is before paths.h in the diff I'm looking at :)
19:24:52	kugel	it doesn't seem to be used so far, I don't #define it for RaaA (per accident)
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19:37:10	gevaerts	kugel: I think I have two questions/observations: (a) Did you check if gcc optimises the if()strcpy() away if FORCE_BUFFER_COPY is not set? If not, that looks like it could be a bad (and useless) binsize impact, and (b), you're adding a lot of MAX_PATH strings to the stack. Possibly dangerous I think, these aren't small (needs testing).
19:37:18	gevaerts	Hm, (b) might be optimised away as well...
19:37:22	gevaerts	(or should be)
19:37:46	gevaerts	Aren't we counting on compiler smartness a bit too much for these?
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19:39:07	kugel	gevaerts: (a) yes I did, (b) any idea how to solve that?
19:39:23	pirlouwi	hi
19:39:26	kugel	and for target builds it's optimized away as well yes
19:39:35	pirlouwi	hi
19:39:40	gevaerts	ok, maybe that's good enough then
19:40:06	gevaerts	pirlouwi: hello
19:40:14	kugel	we can only count on gcc smartness if we want to do it cheap
19:40:54	gevaerts	It doesn't generate "unused variable" warnings?
19:40:57	*	gevaerts hopes not...
19:41:14	pirlouwi	How can I learn how to detect the hardware running Rockbox, test if it is an ipod hw_rev >=4 ??
19:41:28	pirlouwi	hi gevaerts
19:42:23	kugel	the FORCE_BUFFER_COPY was just because playlist.c has an extra strlcpy which could be removed with that. without that it could even be a #define (although a define will be a bit more tricky for plugins)
19:42:33	kugel	gevaerts: unfortunately no :)
19:42:38	kugel	fortunately*
19:42:50	kugel	inlining really solves many problem at once :p
19:43:41	gevaerts	inlining is fine. I'm just very slightly nervous about declaring a 256 byte stack variable, passing that to an inline function that throws it away, and hoping that gcc decides not to put it on the stack
19:44:15	kugel	I didn't check all spots, but those I checked it was removed
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19:46:54	kugel	but I guess it would throw that unused warning if it's not removed
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19:50:05	amiconn	r27406 seems to be broken. If it would just change the way 'features' is generated without breaking it, there should be no binsize changes
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19:50:16	Pirlouwi	Hi again
19:51:02	Pirlouwi	I ask it one more time ('cause I was disconnected). How can I learn how to detect the hardware running Rockbox, test if it is an ipod hw_rev >=4 ??
19:51:26	amiconn	Why would you want to do that? There is no reason to check that at runtime
19:51:28	Pirlouwi	I made a little patch, only valid for ipod version 4 and upper
19:51:40	Pirlouwi	this is the reason
19:52:22	amiconn	There is no reason to check at runtime. You probably want a compile time check
19:52:45	Pirlouwi	yes you are right, this should do the trick
19:53:14	Pirlouwi	is there compile #define reserved for that?
19:53:25	Pirlouwi	what should I search, in which file?
19:53:51	amiconn	Atm there is no macro for a generic check like this. Either check for the individual models, or check for IPOD_ARCH and CPU_PP502x
19:54:14	Pirlouwi	thx
19:54:15	amiconn	What kind of patch is that?
19:54:43	amiconn	If it's wheel related, you may need to specifically exclude the mini 1st Gen
19:54:46	Pirlouwi	I read in rockbox doc that there were no support for hardware keyclick (when rotating the wheel)
19:54:55	amiconn	ah
19:55:01	Pirlouwi	I found in ipod linux bootloader the code that does it
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19:55:30	Pirlouwi	this is only a question of 10 lines of code in action.c
19:55:35	amiconn	It's not a problem to control the piezo as such. It is a problem to do it properly in rockbox though
19:55:41	Pirlouwi	but I must test the ipod version and the presence of the ipod
19:56:01	Pirlouwi	Though, I tested it on my ipod color, and it does the job
19:56:59	Pirlouwi	If you have an ipod, you could perhaps test my patch ? do you agree?
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20:36:02	gevaerts	kugel: do you need more specific reviews?
20:36:27	kugel	no, but a general yes/no to the idea would be fine. but I guess I'll ask again on the mailing list
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21:24:23	amiconn	Hmm, that's actually a useful suggestion for test_codec (or a complementary plugin): testing encoder performance
21:32:03	Pirlouwi	amiconn: I just posted a patch concerning the Ipod Color hardware keyclick.
21:32:26	Pirlouwi	http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11475
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22:57:50	n1s	I'll save this mess for another day...
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