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| 00:02:00 | meluko | hi all |
| 00:02:14 | meluko | anyone having knowledge about ipod nano 2G ? |
| 00:03:14 | meluko | and about Rockbox itself ? |
| 00:03:50 | n1s | meluko: if you have a question, just ask. If anyone knows they'll answer |
| 00:04:45 | meluko | 1st questions is: Can Rockbox play 24-bits 96khz without downsampling them nor converting them to less bits ? |
| 00:04:52 | n1s | no |
| 00:05:02 | meluko | It can't ? |
| 00:05:26 | meluko | So it resample them ? |
| 00:05:29 | n1s | rockbox plays back at 44.1kHz and 16 bits, downsampled and truncated or dithered |
| 00:05:57 | meluko | well, should it be able to play such files ? |
| 00:06:06 | meluko | with further developement for example |
| 00:06:50 | n1s | it's very tricky buisiness to switch samplerate while playing but not impossible |
| 00:07:04 | meluko | ok, sound great |
| 00:07:50 | n1s | more bit depth is probably easier but will probably not make a lot of difference with most DACs in DAPs |
| 00:08:48 | meluko | 2nd question is: based on documentation I found on internet, it seem that the ipod nano 2g uses a wolfson clone chip based on the WM8750 which according to its datasheet can handle stream upto 24-bits 96khz |
| 00:09:08 | meluko | so, anyway chance to see this feature implemented in Rockbox ? |
| 00:09:19 | meluko | well I agree it look like the 1st question ;) |
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| 00:10:44 | meluko | thank you for your answers n1s |
| 00:11:04 | meluko | do you know if the cowon D2 port is also working with a D2+ ? |
| 00:11:05 | domonoky | meluko: you could improve the chance for that greatly, by starting to work on that yourself :-) |
| 00:11:45 | meluko | domonoky ^^ I've just grab the SVN trunk this morning and plan to work on rockbox |
| 00:11:46 | n1s | meluko: it's not impossible to implement the feature but i would say it's unlikely to get done |
| 00:12:26 | meluko | but I think that implementing a suspend mode like the one in the Apple firmware is of a higher priority |
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| 00:12:53 | domonoky | meluko: the wiki suggest rockbox works on D2+ too :-) |
| 00:13:26 | meluko | suggest, so it works ? or it *should* works ? ;) |
| 00:13:46 | domonoky | meluko: what would such a suspend mode offer besides of draining the battery ? |
| 00:14:00 | domonoky | better work on faster boot :-) |
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| 00:14:40 | meluko | well, you right |
| 00:14:48 | meluko | you're right |
| 00:16:13 | meluko | but, hmm, I'm not sure to work on the ipod port, as I'll switch to a cowon D2/D2+ in a few days |
| 00:16:26 | meluko | ok, I can keep my ipod nano 2G to work on ;) |
| 00:16:45 | meluko | not sure to be able to get some bucks with it |
| 00:16:55 | domonoky | its all the same code (besides the drivers and specific features of course) |
| 00:17:36 | meluko | yes, it's roughly the same, even the cross compiler is the same (arm-eabi) from what I've seen this morning |
| 00:17:49 | meluko | well, any guideline before starting to work on Rockbox ? |
| 00:18:24 | n1s | domonoky: i think a suspend mode could be nice if it can a) suck minimal battery while speeding up resuming music significantly b) be disabled and has a configurable timeout-to-poweroff |
| 00:19:47 | domonoky | meluko: maybe take a look the th coding guidlines and search the wiki a bit.. otherwise just dive in, and ask coding questions here :-) |
| 00:19:53 | meluko | CPU undervolting seems to be an important feature too, related to battery lifetime |
| 00:20:39 | n1s | meluko: that's tricky business too since one cpu might run fine at lower voltage while another of the same model does not |
| 00:21:48 | meluko | sure, maybe a common undervolting can be found, or the wiki is ambiguous : CPU frequency changing 50% No undervolting yet |
| 00:22:03 | meluko | maybe throttling is a better way |
| 00:22:07 | meluko | more robust |
| 00:22:11 | meluko | reliable |
| 00:22:43 | domonoky | on some cpus we can control the volatage too.. but i think we do it only one some of them, because its difficult to get it right. |
| 00:26:46 | meluko | what DAP do you have n1s and domonoky ? |
| 00:27:02 | domonoky | i/me counts... |
| 00:27:08 | meluko | and yes I'm french, this explain my odd sentences ;) |
| 00:27:38 | meluko | i/me counts ? |
| 00:27:47 | meluko | what does this mean ? |
| 00:27:59 | domonoky | 1 old archos, a ipod 4g, a iriver h120, a mrobe:100, a sansa m200v4, sansa e200... i think i forgot something.. :-) |
| 00:28:17 | meluko | wooh, quite impressive |
| 00:28:44 | * | domonoky wanted to say he counts his daps, but a typo sliped in :-) |
| 00:28:59 | meluko | :° |
| 00:29:01 | meluko | :) |
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| 00:29:47 | meluko | so no Cowon at all ? |
| 00:29:55 | domonoky | nope |
| 00:30:28 | n1s | i have and iriver h300, gigabeat s, sansa c200v1, a broken mini 1G and a nano4g |
| 00:30:50 | meluko | no Cowon too, is it a bad choice for a DAP ? |
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| 00:31:37 | meluko | just asking because I'm looking for a good replacement for my old nano 2G and for the moment it seem that the D2 is a good candidate that suit my need |
| 00:31:51 | domonoky | no, there are just more DAP then one can buy.. see RockboxTesting in the wiki to see who has what players available for testing :-) |
| 00:31:57 | meluko | but hmm, I only had a nano 2G so I can get wrong |
| 00:32:01 | n1s | i don't know, i've never used any cowon dap |
| 00:35:07 | meluko | ok thank you. time to sleep now. see you later, maybe with a first patch, who know ;) |
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| 00:53:46 | * | n1s spots another different version of bitstream.h in libffmpegFLAC |
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| 00:55:17 | Strife89 | Step four of this instruction sequence (http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IpodPatcher#3_OSOS_contains_only_the_Rockbox) states the following: "Install the Rockbox bootloader to the OSOS image with ipodpatcher -wf bootloader-youripodmodel.ipod" |
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| 00:55:43 | Strife89 | However, I seem to have missed where to retrieve the bootloader from. |
| 00:55:50 | n1s | http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/ |
| 00:56:19 | Strife89 | Er, |
| 00:56:25 | Strife89 | ah. ^^; |
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| 00:57:28 | Strife89 | n1s: Thanks. :) |
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| 01:01:07 | Strife89 | Excellent, no hitches at all. |
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| 02:01:27 | bieber | bieber |
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| 02:01:37 | bieber | Woops |
| 02:02:11 | simonrvn | highlighting yourself eh :P |
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| 02:02:31 | S_a_i_n_t | He's bot the bieber fever ;) |
| 02:02:40 | S_a_i_n_t | bah! "got" |
| 02:02:42 | bieber | Hehe |
| 02:02:42 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 02:03:18 | bieber | What was up earlier, S_a_i_n_t |
| 02:04:09 | S_a_i_n_t | bieber: Question, that theme I gave you yesterday...did the .sbs load on the main menu screen? (easy to check, does it say iPod/current time or Rockbox/Themes/Settings/etc.?) |
| 02:04:25 | bieber | Lemme see |
| 02:04:42 | bieber | Yeah, it says iPod |
| 02:04:45 | S_a_i_n_t | The .sbs loads in the sim (and used to load on device), but, suddenly stopped working for me :/ |
| 02:05:10 | S_a_i_n_t | Hmmm...so, the .sbs *is* working on your end. |
| 02:05:15 | S_a_i_n_t | What revision is it? |
| 02:05:51 | S_a_i_n_t | I can't debug it as the device gives no debug output, and the sim thinks all is well. |
| 02:06:47 | S_a_i_n_t | bieber: Battery icon, playmode. hold, disk access all show in the main menu screen? |
| 02:07:16 | S_a_i_n_t | (sorry for 20 questions lol, it's annoying me ;)) |
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| 02:08:08 | bieber | Yep, everything is fully functional |
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| 02:08:24 | bieber | r27396 |
| 02:08:35 | S_a_i_n_t | Hmmm..well, that's good...but also sucks for me ;) |
| 02:09:13 | S_a_i_n_t | I'm on 2798 and the .sbs refuses to load. :/ |
| 02:09:21 | S_a_i_n_t | doh! 27398 |
| 02:09:51 | bieber | Weird |
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| 02:16:02 | Dhraakellian | hmm |
| 02:16:09 | Dhraakellian | themeeditor not building for me |
| 02:16:41 | Dhraakellian | make[1]: *** No rule to make target `libskin_parser.a'. Stop. |
| 02:17:45 | S_a_i_n_t | you're doing "make" or "qmake"? |
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| 02:19:40 | S_a_i_n_t | Dhraakellian: ^ |
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| 02:25:46 | Dhraakellian | qmake |
| 02:25:47 | Dhraakellian | make |
| 02:25:57 | Dhraakellian | that's what the readme says, I believe |
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| 02:38:08 | * | S_a_i_n_t sees no good reason (or, no reason at all) why his revision and bieber's should have differing results re: .sbs loading. |
| 02:38:39 | S_a_i_n_t | the *really* odd thing is, that I have an .sbs that *will* load, but the code is functionally no different. |
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| 02:44:18 | S_a_i_n_t | Having playmode icons for states not present in the build wouldn't do anything funky re: .sbs loading would it? |
| 02:44:52 | S_a_i_n_t | I mean, I have recording and FM mode state icons in the fms, but recording and FM disabled in my build. |
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| 05:23:48 | S_a_i_n_t | What's the best ("best" is subjective, I know) piece of software I could use to downscale video to fit my DAP? |
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| 05:39:27 | joecool | S_a_i_n_t: probably not the right channel to ask, try #mplayer (either mplayer or the ffmpeg project can probably do it... tons of frontends for them) |
| 05:40:15 | * | S_a_i_n_t fails to see why this isn't the correct channel to ask in. |
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| 05:49:19 | joecool | S_a_i_n_t: you'd know if you read the topic |
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| 06:03:35 | S_a_i_n_t | joecool: And, if it were offtopic, I'd agree with you. |
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| 06:04:12 | S_a_i_n_t | If I said "what's the best X, for something that has nothing to do with rockbox, and never would?" I'd agree with you. |
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| 07:06:44 | CIA-6 | New commit by bieber (r27412): Theme Editor: Added Close Project feature |
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| 07:07:34 | flyback | do a lot of mp3 players have a physical/logical sector translation like a hd does |
| 07:07:40 | flyback | for the flash |
| 07:08:05 | flyback | I guess they would have to |
| 07:08:09 | flyback | for wear leveling etc |
| 07:08:24 | flyback | I wonder if that's where sansa blew it in the c100 series |
| 07:08:25 | CIA-6 | r27412 build result: All green |
| 07:08:32 | flyback | based on the glitches I have run into |
| 07:09:58 | bieber | S_a_i_n_t: ping |
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| 07:10:33 | S_a_i_n_t | bieber: Pong |
| 07:10:48 | bieber | Have you seen the config file editor in the Theme Editor? |
| 07:11:04 | S_a_i_n_t | No, sorry. |
| 07:11:31 | bieber | Want to take a look at it and tell me what you think? I'm pretty sure I should just scrap it and put in a plain text editor, but I want a second opinion first |
| 07:11:58 | bieber | JdGordon: Comment from you would be welcome as well, or simonrvn or anyone else who's seen the editor |
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| 07:12:43 | S_a_i_n_t | Hmmm..I can't do it right this very minute, but, I can let you know at some point later on. (not too much later, however) |
| 07:13:06 | S_a_i_n_t | Assuming leaving it in/deleting it isn't an immediate descision? |
| 07:13:18 | bieber | That's cool, just whenever you get a chance |
| 07:14:17 | S_a_i_n_t | Sweet, it won't be *ages* away...just a few hours. |
| 07:14:46 | bieber | I'm just going to excise it, and in the unlikely event that people cry out for its reinstatement, I'll revert the changes :P |
| 07:14:59 | JdGordon | bieber: I dont tihnk scrapping it is a good idea, but a freetext editor would be much more usble |
| 07:15:17 | bieber | Not scrapping it as in getting rid of it altogether, just changing it to a plain text editor |
| 07:15:48 | bieber | The whole combo box thing is just a pain, and once I get auto-completion going on, I can just use that for much less intrusive key hints |
| 07:18:15 | simonrvn | updating and compiling |
| 07:20:32 | simonrvn | bieber: works fine. tested opening, then closing, then tested opening one, then opening another one, then closing the second one. |
| 07:20:52 | bieber | It's not really stability I'm worried about, just usability |
| 07:20:56 | simonrvn | the first one 'disappeared' of course, which is fine. |
| 07:21:11 | bieber | How do you feel about actually using the drop-down box interface? |
| 07:21:14 | simonrvn | oh yeh, having a 'hot key' is nice too. |
| 07:22:33 | simonrvn | for? |
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| 07:24:39 | bieber | For editing config files |
| 07:24:55 | bieber | As in, if you double-click on the .cfg file in the project panel, and the editor for it comes up in a tab |
| 07:25:07 | simonrvn | i don't have a problem with that |
| 07:25:35 | simonrvn | i've seen all kinds, and for a project centred thing like this, it's nice to have imo |
| 07:25:59 | bieber | Hmm |
| 07:26:02 | JdGordon | bieber: oh, misunderstood... yeah, get rid of the config file editor, just open it as plaintext |
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| 07:26:19 | JdGordon | I thought oyu were asking about the tag value setting thing |
| 07:26:32 | simonrvn | having an option to open it as plaintext would be nice |
| 07:26:38 | simonrvn | the cfg |
| 07:27:48 | simonrvn | how it is now is good for newbies (like me) but i like to be able to get down and dirty too |
| 07:29:22 | S_a_i_n_t | I tend to agree with simonrvn there. |
| 07:29:27 | JdGordon | the editor shouldnt list items which are not theme items though |
| 07:29:39 | JdGordon | less chance of a user making a "broken" config |
| 07:29:39 | S_a_i_n_t | But, the ability to open it as a plain text file would be nice also. |
| 07:30:19 | S_a_i_n_t | Is there actually a list anywhere of "theme accepted values"? |
| 07:30:26 | bieber | I feel like the best option would definitely be auto-complete, the same way I want to do it for tags in skin files |
| 07:30:45 | simonrvn | i suppose you could default to opening as it now, then if someone wants to open it as text, then set it in the prefs |
| 07:31:02 | simonrvn | or something else maybe |
| 07:31:06 | S_a_i_n_t | that'd be nice, yes. |
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| 07:31:28 | simonrvn | like a checkbox in the 'open project' dialogue |
| 07:31:45 | simonrvn | (that also would set the preference) |
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| 07:32:43 | simonrvn | auto-complete would be a nice feature for the default setting |
| 07:33:45 | bieber | Hmm |
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| 07:34:14 | bieber | A checkbox on the open project dialog might work out alright, but unfortunately modifying file dialogs is a really nasty process :( |
| 07:34:48 | simonrvn | so put it in the prefs dialogue for now, to simplify things for you |
| 07:35:49 | simonrvn | what JdGordon said is quite a good point too |
| 07:37:35 | bieber | How about a button on the bottom of the editor to switch back and forth from plain text mode? |
| 07:38:14 | simonrvn | that would be optimal |
| 07:38:51 | simonrvn | (did occur to me but i didn't how difficult it would be to do that) |
| 07:39:15 | bieber | It'll be the simplest way to do it, really |
| 07:39:23 | simonrvn | cool |
| 07:39:43 | simonrvn | be neat to see it switch while it's still open :P |
| 07:39:45 | bieber | Hmm, should I put icons or text on the buttons? |
| 07:40:05 | simonrvn | follow the qt preferences maybe? |
| 07:40:35 | bieber | I don't think there's a global preference for icons/text on buttons. I just have the option of either/or on each button |
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| 07:40:42 | simonrvn | whatever they have, follow that, and maybe default to text. ah ok. |
| 07:41:03 | bieber | I'd kind of like them to be little square buttons like the + and - buttons there now, but I can't think of very descriptive icons for list/text mode |
| 07:42:04 | simonrvn | ABC for text mode, and 3 bars for list mode? |
| 07:43:38 | bieber | That could do it |
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| 09:47:17 | pixelma | shouldn't the lcd_contrast feature also be used in the .lang files then? |
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| 09:49:04 | n1s | pixelma: yeah ...but as usual it will break the voice files if the set of targets with lcd_contrast differs from the set that has the string/clip now? |
| 09:49:08 | n1s | s/?// |
| 09:49:43 | JdGordon | yes and no... |
| 09:49:54 | JdGordon | it just adds a bunch of semi-depricated strings |
| 09:50:20 | JdGordon | we should start remove all deperatced string straight after every release |
| 09:50:55 | n1s | i did so after 3.6 |
| 09:51:02 | pixelma | n1s: but we have daily voices? |
| 09:51:22 | JdGordon | yes, and we should do it every release if needed, not just when we have a big backlog |
| 09:51:35 | funman | also there might be models which declare HAVE_LCD_CONTRAST but don't have it implemented |
| 09:51:55 | funman | the manual listed 5 or 6 models but grep HAVE_LCD_CONTRAST in config/ gave much more results |
| 09:52:01 | n1s | pixelma: we do, and people will need to rebuild any other voice files they use, i don't know if we really should care about it |
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| 09:53:06 | n1s | IMO the bad problem about breaking voice file clip order is that it will seem to work just fine but the wrong clip(s) will play in some places |
| 09:58:30 | pixelma | the need to rebuild a voice files from time to time is unavoidable |
| 09:58:55 | n1s | yeah, but if it would fail more explicitely it would be nicer |
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| 10:00:30 | n1s | I think we should just include a short mp3 that states "Your voice file version is incompatible with this version of rockbox and needs to be updated." and play that if the voice version doesn't match, we'd need a versioning system for the voice then |
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| 10:02:48 | pixelma | I don't know, I guess I prefer a semi-working voice over nothing at all or just this info given in case I have no chance to update the voice in this case - I don't have to rely on voice though |
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| 10:18:49 | c123lk | Hello. |
| 10:19:59 | c123lk | I have a small question regarding rockbox. |
| 10:21:20 | S_a_i_n_t | Ask it then ;) |
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| 10:30:42 | c123lk | is impossible to reconfigure the buttons on this system? |
| 10:31:53 | c123lk | The power button is in a really awkward place on my music player and I would like it to be this other button, instead |
| 10:32:06 | c123lk | is it possible, I should say |
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| 10:34:52 | c123lk | ? |
| 10:35:57 | pixelma | not through a setting, but you could compile your own build which maps the buttons differently |
| 10:36:33 | pixelma | c123lk: which player do you have - an e200? |
| 10:36:48 | c123lk | fuze |
| 10:38:35 | c123lk | the power button is in a very awkward place, for me |
| 10:38:42 | pixelma | I've heard about some people with e200s that they use it with the display flipped to have the power button in a more convenient place |
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| 10:39:34 | pixelma | and display flipped is a setting, I'm not a 100% sure if it's available on the Fuze yet but I guess it is |
| 10:39:49 | c123lk | is there a step by step guide for this button reconfiguring/compiling that you mentioned, earlier? |
| 10:42:51 | S_a_i_n_t | there is a guide to setting up a development platform, and compiling on the wiki. |
| 10:43:42 | S_a_i_n_t | well, guides, for a few different platforms. |
| 10:43:45 | Torne | c123lk: this isn't particularly recommended, by the way. it means you will have to compile your own build of rockbox, forever, whenever you want to update ;) |
| 10:44:35 | Torne | if you can suggest a better way to map keys that makes logical sense and is easier to use for that device, please do so :) |
| 10:45:54 | c123lk | the power button should be what is called the home button in the original firmware. It's on the front in the upper right hand corner. |
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| 10:53:54 | Torne | i don't know what the fuze keymap is, but presumably that button also does something? |
| 10:54:01 | Torne | so you'd just swap them? |
| 10:55:17 | c123lk | Yes. |
| 10:55:47 | c123lk | by default, the home button stops playback. However, the power button does the same thing. |
| 10:56:19 | Torne | er |
| 10:56:27 | Torne | that doesn't sound right (or match what the manual says) |
| 10:56:30 | Torne | long home is stop |
| 10:56:45 | c123lk | yes. |
| 10:56:49 | * | Torne looks at the keymap |
| 10:57:39 | c123lk | If it were the power button, rockbox would make a bookmark and then turn off, instead of just stopping. |
| 10:58:43 | Torne | wait, so your use case is that you basically always turn the player off when you stop playback |
| 10:59:10 | c123lk | Yes. Or hit the pause button. |
| 10:59:22 | Torne | ...you want to turn off on pause? |
| 10:59:25 | Torne | that's.. odd |
| 10:59:35 | Torne | anyway, remapping the buttons seems like a spectacularly strange way to do this |
| 10:59:40 | Torne | home does other things than stopping.. |
| 10:59:51 | c123lk | no. the pause button is a different button, right? |
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| 11:00:08 | Torne | ..what? |
| 11:00:55 | Torne | anyway. if you just want it to turn off when you stop playback, just set the idle poweroff to a really short time? :) |
| 11:01:38 | Torne | remapping ht ebuttons seems very odd, especially since you then lose all the other stuff that uses the home button |
| 11:02:16 | c123lk | thank you for your time. What are some of the other things that button is supposed to do |
| 11:02:30 | Torne | it's the hotkey, in file browser and wps |
| 11:02:46 | Torne | (in wps this defaults to showing the playlist but can be remapped) |
| 11:02:56 | Torne | holding it in combination with scrolling does pageup/down |
| 11:03:01 | Torne | and various other stuff. read the keymap :) |
| 11:03:03 | Torne | http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/keymaps/keymap-fuze.c?revision=27177&view=markup |
| 11:04:13 | Torne | if you just don't want the player to stay on when you aren't playing anything, setting the idle poweroff time to 1 minute would be much easier |
| 11:04:54 | c123lk | thank you. I think I will try your short idle suggestion. Just in case I decided to try it, how much work is doing the recompile and switching the power button and home button? |
| 11:05:14 | Torne | switching th ebuttons is easy: edit the file i just linked you to |
| 11:05:20 | Torne | recompiling is easy if you can follow instructions ;) |
| 11:05:43 | Torne | but you will have to do it every time you want to update, since you are making your own build of rockbox and thus you will need to update and make the change again and compile again, every time. |
| 11:06:20 | Torne | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/DevelopmentGuide <- links to resources on how to get hte code and copmile |
| 11:06:27 | Torne | if you are on windows vmware is recommended |
| 11:06:37 | Torne | cygwin is very slow :) |
| 11:07:23 | funman | no it's even slower than that |
| 11:07:35 | Torne | heh |
| 11:09:44 | pixelma | for swapping the button functions completely I wouldn't edit the keymap - too many traps |
| 11:09:44 | c123lk | :) I am on Windows. Thank you for pointing out the resources, Torne. for now, I will try your easy workaround. |
| 11:10:19 | Torne | pixelma: it's probably best *not* to swap them completely, though ;) |
| 11:10:33 | Torne | though, actually, poweroff is done by firmware code ,not the keymap |
| 11:10:36 | Torne | so you'd have to edit that |
| 11:10:44 | Torne | okay it's slightly more complicated :) |
| 11:10:53 | c123lk | What is your idea, pixelma? |
| 11:11:24 | Torne | c123lk: you can completely switch the buttons by changing the definition of which button is which in the first place, instead of editing the keymap |
| 11:11:37 | Torne | you will still have to compile your own build forever, though |
| 11:11:41 | Torne | so it's not any easier |
| 11:12:11 | Torne | if iw sa going to do it i'd hack firmware to take long home as poweroff and just change the keymap a little, though |
| 11:12:14 | c123lk | I'm not currently too concerned with updates. |
| 11:12:15 | * | Torne shrugs |
| 11:12:22 | Torne | it's easier to not bother, and just set idle poweroff |
| 11:12:29 | Torne | or to just conclude that leaving it on doesn't matter that much :) |
| 11:12:38 | Torne | though i'm not sure how the fuze's power consumption is right now |
| 11:12:52 | funman | too much |
| 11:12:55 | Torne | on most of the devices that have been supported a while, leaving them on doesn't really drain the battery that much |
| 11:13:28 | funman | fuzev1 uses twice more power than OF or so |
| 11:13:28 | Torne | it's not worth the effort of turning my ipod off if i'm gonna turn it back on in the next hour or so :) |
| 11:14:28 | c123lk | Twice as much power? good to know. |
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| 11:17:22 | c123lk | Hopefully, rockbox will become more efficient as later versions appear, so far as the battery life is concerned |
| 11:18:15 | funman | there has been a bit progress, you can see it on http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaRuntime |
| 11:18:44 | funman | now the fuzev1 needs 1.5 more power, a bit less than 2 more |
| 11:22:36 | c123lk | traditionally, has it taken very many months for rockbox to catch up to the original firmware? I understand that the fuze is relatively new. |
| 11:23:21 | Torne | it varies wildly per device |
| 11:23:28 | Torne | it depends how much of th device's hardware has public datasheets, etc |
| 11:23:34 | Torne | and how many people are interested in working on it |
| 11:23:52 | Torne | and just on luck; whether stuff works as it should or not ;) |
| 11:24:16 | c123lk | It seems like SanDisk products have comparatively good battery life, eventually |
| 11:26:58 | c123lk | at any rate, I appreciate the time. Thanks, again, for the assistance. Have a good early morning, guys |
| 11:28:18 | Torne | no problem |
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| 12:39:19 | JdGordon | bieber: still round? |
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| 12:57:27 | CFP | Hello everyone! I have a Gigabeat F60 with rockbox installed, and I was wondering about remote control standards: I've lost the original remote, but I have nokia phones remotes, and I thought maybe these could be used? Would it require to change some parts of the code? Is there some kind of a standard? |
| 12:57:54 | CFP | I mean, a standard defining wich signals are sent by the remote? |
| 12:58:31 | JdGordon | it almost certainly wont work without some effort |
| 12:59:16 | CFP | JdGordon: Indeed, as of now it seems to send random commands repeatedly |
| 12:59:31 | CFP | But do you know which ports it communicates through? |
| 12:59:47 | JdGordon | wouldnt have a clue |
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| 13:00:30 | CFP | I've been unable to identify it using the IO ports debug screen... |
| 13:01:17 | CFP | wait |
| 13:01:50 | CFP | the GPFDAT entry seems to alternate between D1 and F1 when the remote is plugged in |
| 13:02:21 | CFP | nothing happens when buttons are pressed though. Any idea why? |
| 13:03:03 | JdGordon | you are working on alot of assumptions... |
| 13:03:33 | JdGordon | are the remotes electrically idential? do they use the same communication porotocol? do they use the same command protocol? |
| 13:04:24 | CFP | well, no idea |
| 13:04:26 | CFP | at all |
| 13:05:00 | CFP | Yet I thought maybe I could implement something |
| 13:05:06 | CFP | to support nokia remotes |
| 13:05:19 | CFP | do you know which part of the code does remote handling? |
| 13:06:39 | JdGordon | not a clue |
| 13:06:49 | JdGordon | somewhere under firmware/target presumably |
| 13:07:03 | JdGordon | wherever the beat f code is |
| 13:08:26 | CFP | ok, thanks ; I'll boot into my linux then and try to have a look |
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| 13:11:05 | JdGordon | anyone around that can build the theme editor? |
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| 13:22:19 | JdGordon | bieber: can you look at FS #11477 soonish please? specifially adding support for it in the editor... I want to commit that ASAP but wont untill I know for sure it wont break the editor |
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| 13:31:43 | Stephen___ | S_a_i_n_t: ping |
| 13:31:54 | S_a_i_n_t | pong |
| 13:32:08 | JdGordon | you're telling me! I can smell it from here... |
| 13:32:14 | Stephen___ | Could you have a look at a .sbs for me ? it's failing on the sim. |
| 13:32:36 | Stephen___ | I'm updating the old themes from before the syntax changes |
| 13:32:58 | S_a_i_n_t | Least I could do is look :D |
| 13:33:03 | S_a_i_n_t | Pastebin it. |
| 13:33:27 | Stephen___ | http://pastebin.com/rwpVpppr |
| 13:33:29 | Stephen___ | thanks |
| 13:33:37 | Stephen___ | failing at line 48 the fm radio bit |
| 13:34:34 | S_a_i_n_t | which means it's line 47, 48, or 49 ;) |
| 13:34:42 | S_a_i_n_t | (usually) |
| 13:35:04 | S_a_i_n_t | If you're lucky that is, if it fails on a font the line number can be completely random :D |
| 13:35:10 | Stephen___ | yeah i've bene at it for abotu half an hour now |
| 13:35:26 | Stephen___ | it's the last of the fuze ones I have to update |
| 13:35:58 | S_a_i_n_t | you commented the lines to root out that area that was failing? |
| 13:36:20 | Stephen___ | yeah sorry. it's them three lines I have commented out |
| 13:37:02 | S_a_i_n_t | I have a suspicion, but, Ill research it before I say anything ;) |
| 13:37:11 | Stephen___ | Thanks. |
| 13:38:15 | pixelma | what's with the −− ? |
| 13:39:33 | S_a_i_n_t | that's *one* of my thoughs, yes. |
| 13:39:57 | S_a_i_n_t | my other though is if "_" needs to be escaped these days. |
| 13:40:02 | S_a_i_n_t | as in "%_" |
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| 13:40:56 | Stephen___ | i've deleted one of the - from −− adn it doesn't complain anymore. |
| 13:41:13 | Stephen___ | always the little things. |
| 13:41:18 | S_a_i_n_t | haha, I was just writing that about to press enter. |
| 13:41:18 | pixelma | and isn't ?mv just purely <true|false>? |
| 13:41:22 | S_a_i_n_t | Same result here :D |
| 13:42:04 | S_a_i_n_t | pixelma: Yes, it is. |
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| 13:42:09 | pixelma | I don't think _ needs to be escaped, it doesn't have another meaning |
| 13:42:20 | S_a_i_n_t | I can't tell what's going on in that line myself |
| 13:42:55 | pixelma | ah, I guess that should a basic progress bar |
| 13:43:03 | Stephen___ | me either, not sure what the author wanted to achieve |
| 13:43:38 | pixelma | a drawn one, no bitmap |
| 13:43:45 | S_a_i_n_t | the systax is wrong with the playbar there |
| 13:43:53 | S_a_i_n_t | it beeds to be (,,,) |
| 13:43:59 | S_a_i_n_t | not ||||| |
| 13:45:01 | S_a_i_n_t | It also doesn't seem to call a bitmap. |
| 13:45:06 | S_a_i_n_t | what the HELL does that line do? |
| 13:45:09 | mitk | JGordon: I can build it, but must have go in 15 minutes. Is it enough time for you? |
| 13:45:15 | S_a_i_n_t | line 50 |
| 13:45:16 | Stephen___ | fixed the ,,, |
| 13:45:26 | pixelma | S_a_i_n_t: you don't need a bitmap for a progress bar |
| 13:45:40 | S_a_i_n_t | ahhh...right, no...you don't. |
| 13:45:52 | S_a_i_n_t | still, doesn't it have too many arguments? |
| 13:46:11 | S_a_i_n_t | what's the first "-" in line 50 doing? |
| 13:46:24 | S_a_i_n_t | shouldn;t that be the "x" |
| 13:46:27 | S_a_i_n_t | +? |
| 13:47:04 | Stephen___ | hmm teh skinupdater should have fixed the %pv line no ? |
| 13:47:21 | S_a_i_n_t | the skinupdater probably didn't know what to do with it. |
| 13:47:31 | S_a_i_n_t | it would have been wrong in the old syntax too probably. |
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| 13:47:51 | pixelma | the - there means "no bitmap" |
| 13:47:52 | Stephen___ | i think i'll have to test the radio code on device |
| 13:48:17 | cfp | JdGordon, No clue, seems that it won't recognize button presses on the remote. |
| 13:48:38 | mitk | JdGordon: look at 13:45. I misstyped your nick, sorry |
| 13:48:44 | Stephen___ | also if it is indeed fm radio skin code I'd have to do up a .fms wouldn't I. |
| 13:48:49 | cfp | Does anyone know where I could find info on how nokia remotes communicate ? |
| 13:49:13 | JdGordon | mitk: can you patch and quickly test FS #11477 please? |
| 13:49:13 | S_a_i_n_t | " %?mv(2)<%pv(0,0,57,5)> " *should* be how the author intended it. |
| 13:49:16 | Stephen___ | coz i just noticed that battery icon doesn't display when I enter fm screen so I don't think that code does anything for the sbs anyway |
| 13:49:24 | S_a_i_n_t | Stephen___: ^^ |
| 13:49:27 | JdGordon | bassically just check if the %t() tag doesnt break if you use a decimal |
| 13:49:55 | Stephen___ | S_a_i_n_t: no that gives a token error missing. |
| 13:50:13 | S_a_i_n_t | Oh, really? |
| 13:50:14 | pixelma | S_a_i_n_t: you still need the - for "no bitmap" |
| 13:50:32 | pixelma | where a .bmp would be otherwise |
| 13:50:32 | S_a_i_n_t | ahhh...right, but, it's at the other end now. |
| 13:50:33 | mitk | JdGordon:I can patch and compile. Not enough time now to test. Can put binary on an server |
| 13:50:46 | S_a_i_n_t | so: > " %?mv(2)<%pv(0,0,57,5,-)> " |
| 13:51:08 | Stephen___ | yeah that's it sorted still no idea what it's meant to do ? |
| 13:51:10 | JdGordon | ok, dont worry about it.. I cant test here because I cant download qt4-dev and your binary is probably going to be big if compiled statically |
| 13:51:12 | S_a_i_n_t | I assume we don;t need a false case here. |
| 13:51:19 | pixelma | S_a_i_n_t: and he explained below why he put the _ in the false branch |
| 13:51:21 | S_a_i_n_t | and a "_" would look crap IMO :P |
| 13:51:51 | mitk | cu then, bye |
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| 13:52:37 | S_a_i_n_t | pixelma: That problem with updating has been fixed in the FMS though |
| 13:52:49 | S_a_i_n_t | so, the false case isn't necessary anymore |
| 13:53:43 | S_a_i_n_t | (now there's brand new tags that don;t work in the FMS, but %mv and %t are fixed :)) |
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| 13:54:43 | Redkiller | hello |
| 13:54:45 | S_a_i_n_t | Stephen___: So, it's now safe to remove lines 51~53 |
| 13:55:04 | S_a_i_n_t | (and the false case from the %mv line (line 51) also |
| 13:55:18 | S_a_i_n_t | *line 50 rather |
| 13:55:44 | Stephen___ | cool thanks S_a_i_n_t ; pixelma |
| 13:55:51 | S_a_i_n_t | No worries. |
| 13:56:18 | S_a_i_n_t | As long as I'm awake and at my PC, I'll at least try to help ;) |
| 13:56:23 | Redkiller | sorry to interrupt, but would any of you know which file allocation size is best to use for rockbox on an ipod 5g? |
| 13:56:44 | * | Stephen___ moves on to next set of themes to update |
| 13:56:58 | JdGordon | Redkiller: whatever the default is... doesnt really make a difference |
| 13:57:29 | Redkiller | well apparently the ipod is capping me at only 9 of the 30 gigs |
| 13:57:42 | pixelma | I don't even understand what "file allocation size" refers to |
| 13:58:05 | * | S_a_i_n_t suggests that file system errors are probably the cause. |
| 13:58:06 | Redkiller | when you format you can choose file allocation size |
| 13:58:24 | S_a_i_n_t | s/probably/possibly/ |
| 13:58:43 | Redkiller | well I reformatted three times with different allocation settings and eventually came back to default |
| 13:58:45 | Torne | Redkiller: it makes very little difference |
| 13:59:08 | Torne | Redkiller: the ipod should be formatted with fat32 so regardless of the alloc size it will only lose a small percentage of its capacity |
| 13:59:21 | Torne | windows will default to 4kb, and that's probably fine |
| 13:59:26 | Torne | i'm not sure what itunes does |
| 13:59:38 | Torne | it may use something else, which kinda makes sense in theory but makes little difference in reality |
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| 13:59:46 | S_a_i_n_t | I *think* iTunes does 4ks sectors as well. |
| 13:59:47 | Redkiller | well at 16 kb I could load about 4 gigs of music and 2 of movies |
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| 14:00:01 | pixelma | I guess it's formatted wrongly then (wrong sector size or what it's called) 9GB is about 1/4th of the 30GB... |
| 14:00:03 | S_a_i_n_t | *kb |
| 14:00:10 | Redkiller | and on default it became 9.12 |
| 14:00:16 | Torne | er |
| 14:00:18 | Torne | then it's broken |
| 14:00:24 | Torne | you are doing something wrong :) |
| 14:00:29 | Torne | changing the size doesn't matter |
| 14:00:41 | Torne | i suggest you format it with itunes, not windows, also |
| 14:01:29 | Redkiller | it just tells me It cannot read the soure file or disk even though I already went through 8 damn drive checks and even checked my external drive where I was pulling the music off of |
| 14:01:31 | Torne | pixelma: i'm guessing it's 2kb logical sectors over usb throwing it :) |
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| 14:01:40 | Redkiller | no errors |
| 14:01:41 | Torne | pixelma: since that is conveniently a factor of four |
| 14:01:53 | S_a_i_n_t | Redkiller: What it "it"? |
| 14:01:56 | Torne | Redkiller: what tells you that? |
| 14:02:05 | S_a_i_n_t | *is |
| 14:02:17 | Redkiller | windows disk check |
| 14:02:34 | Torne | right |
| 14:02:45 | Torne | it sounds like you have a 5.5g and it's getting confused by the 2048-byte logical sectors |
| 14:02:53 | Redkiller | And I reformatted with windows, formatted with itunes, then proceeded to install rockbox |
| 14:02:55 | Torne | format it using itunes instead. |
| 14:03:03 | Torne | then leave it alone :) |
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| 14:04:12 | Redkiller | is that it? |
| 14:04:17 | Torne | hm? |
| 14:04:18 | Redkiller | I already did that |
| 14:04:26 | Torne | so what was the problem with that? |
| 14:04:48 | Redkiller | like I said I formatted it as necessary |
| 14:05:01 | Redkiller | that is how I came to this |
| 14:05:20 | Torne | formatting it is not necessary to install rockbox |
| 14:05:21 | Torne | or even recommended |
| 14:05:38 | Redkiller | I had an ipod nano 2g and it ran flawlessly until I killed it |
| 14:05:54 | Torne | if you want to start from clean, just restore it in itunes so itunes formats it, then install rockbox |
| 14:05:56 | Redkiller | so i kind of know that something is wrong |
| 14:05:57 | Torne | done |
| 14:05:57 | S_a_i_n_t | If you "needed" to format it from suddenly losing a lot of capacity, and it;s been behaiving oddly ever since, it sounds like the drive is just...broken. |
| 14:06:15 | Torne | S_a_i_n_t: no, the formatting issue sounds like a sector size thing. it's probably ont the drive. |
| 14:06:17 | Redkiller | and if I do not format it it bricks and neither itunes or windows reads it |
| 14:06:22 | Torne | windows is not very clever about sectors that are not 512 bytes |
| 14:06:31 | Torne | and 5.5g ipods claim to have 2048 byte sectors ove rusb |
| 14:06:53 | Torne | Redkiller: i don't understand what you are talking about.. are you talking about a nano or a 5g? |
| 14:07:04 | S_a_i_n_t | But, if he formatted it with windows, then with iTunes...whatever windows did wrong should be repaired, no? |
| 14:07:11 | S_a_i_n_t | it sounds like this hasn;t happened |
| 14:07:11 | Redkiller | the 5g, i used the nano as reference |
| 14:07:18 | Torne | the nano is totally different to the 5g |
| 14:07:22 | Torne | the install doesn't work the same |
| 14:07:26 | Torne | don't use it as a reference |
| 14:07:39 | Redkiller | not what I meant |
| 14:07:56 | JdGordon | S_a_i_n_t: you havnt got the theme editor open do you? |
| 14:07:58 | Redkiller | I meant to say I had installed it succesfully before |
| 14:08:05 | Torne | All you need to do is format it in itunes, run the rockbox utility to install it, and then you're done. |
| 14:08:08 | Torne | Did you do that? What happened? |
| 14:08:18 | Redkiller | yes |
| 14:08:21 | S_a_i_n_t | JdGordon: No, sorry. |
| 14:08:28 | Redkiller | that is how it is working right now |
| 14:08:33 | Redkiller | but it limits me |
| 14:08:41 | Redkiller | and that is the problem |
| 14:09:22 | Redkiller | *sigh* |
| 14:09:24 | Torne | right. so, after formatting with itunes, the disk claimed to have the wrong capacity? |
| 14:09:36 | Torne | without you formatting it in windows? and you are now trying to format it yourself to fix the problem? |
| 14:09:42 | Torne | your explanation has been very convoluted :) |
| 14:09:46 | Torne | i'm trying to work out what you've done |
| 14:10:24 | Redkiller | No, it shows it has 27.8G like it is mocking me |
| 14:10:42 | Redkiller | even though I can only use 9G before it stops |
| 14:11:19 | Redkiller | I formatted it in windows, restored it in itunes and used the rockbox installer |
| 14:11:41 | Torne | what happens when it "stops"? |
| 14:11:46 | Torne | what happens when you try to write more data to the drive? |
| 14:11:53 | S_a_i_n_t | To root out any other things that may or may not have happened, try it now, while you're here: *without* formatting with Windows (unnecessary), restore using iTunes, then install Rockbox. |
| 14:11:57 | S_a_i_n_t | then report back. |
| 14:12:06 | Redkiller | "cannot read from source file or drive" |
| 14:12:29 | Torne | Right. |
| 14:12:34 | Torne | So, either the filesystem is corrupt, or the disk is broken |
| 14:12:55 | Torne | run chkdsk /f <drive letter of ipod> |
| 14:13:09 | Redkiller | @saint: I already restored it three times |
| 14:13:16 | Redkiller | the themes work fine |
| 14:13:45 | S_a_i_n_t | Yes, but, each time you've restored it you;ve irrelevantly formatted with windows first. |
| 14:13:58 | Torne | S_a_i_n_t: that's irrelevant, though, so doing it again is useless |
| 14:14:03 | S_a_i_n_t | It'd be nice to know that something crazy isn't happening there |
| 14:14:05 | Redkiller | trying different allocation settings of course |
| 14:14:17 | Torne | Redkiller: restoring in itunes formats the drive again, just so you know |
| 14:14:22 | Torne | so formatting with windows first does nothing |
| 14:14:31 | Redkiller | that is why I won't do that |
| 14:14:40 | Redkiller | I already waited long enough |
| 14:14:44 | Torne | Restoring in itunes is the only thing guaranteed to put the filesystem on there correctly |
| 14:14:48 | Torne | :) |
| 14:14:56 | Torne | It sounds like your disk is broken. Seriously. |
| 14:15:26 | Redkiller | it is probably broken, oh well |
| 14:15:27 | Torne | formatting it with a different allocation size changes the layout of stuff on disk, which might mean you manage to put a different amount of data on there before you hit a bad area |
| 14:15:33 | Torne | but it doesn't fix the problem. |
| 14:15:44 | Torne | There's several things you cna try to check if the disk *is* broken.. |
| 14:15:44 | Redkiller | it helped though |
| 14:15:59 | Redkiller | like what? |
| 14:16:05 | Torne | boot the diagnostic mode on the ipod (hold rewind+select to power on) |
| 14:16:13 | Torne | then pick manual, io, disk, smart data |
| 14:16:13 | Redkiller | I already tried regular filesystem checks like mad |
| 14:16:15 | Torne | (i think) |
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| 14:16:24 | Torne | in there it should list a pending reallocated sector count |
| 14:16:27 | Torne | and some other numbers |
| 14:16:30 | Torne | tell me what those are ;) |
| 14:16:36 | Redkiller | aight |
| 14:17:10 | Redkiller | no smart data |
| 14:17:15 | Redkiller | only hard drive |
| 14:17:19 | Torne | it might be there |
| 14:17:25 | Torne | i forget what it's called, i don't have my ipod in front of me |
| 14:17:31 | Redkiller | it is probably hard drive |
| 14:17:40 | Redkiller | yeah |
| 14:17:42 | Redkiller | it is |
| 14:17:55 | Redkiller | reallocs:1440 |
| 14:18:03 | Torne | pending sectors? |
| 14:18:12 | Redkiller | pending sectors:0 |
| 14:18:19 | Torne | ok, that drive has had 1440 bad sectors then |
| 14:18:28 | Torne | the disk has remapped around them, but that doesn't, unfortunately, really solve hte problem |
| 14:18:31 | Torne | it will not get better |
| 14:18:34 | Torne | you need a new drive |
| 14:18:40 | Redkiller | fuck |
| 14:18:59 | Torne | sorry |
| 14:19:08 | Redkiller | thanks for the answer at least |
| 14:19:24 | Torne | it probably has lots more bad sectors that it hasn't yet successfully remapped |
| 14:19:30 | Torne | this explains the read errors |
| 14:19:39 | Redkiller | being the poorboy I am I don't have the plastic to pa for a drive, but ill wait and see what happens |
| 14:19:43 | Torne | and yeah, formatting with different settings will move the drive layout around some |
| 14:19:47 | Torne | so the bad sectors fall in a different place |
| 14:19:54 | Torne | which might, by fluke, let certain things work |
| 14:19:59 | Torne | but eventually it will hit the bad areas again |
| 14:20:05 | Torne | there's not really any getting around it |
| 14:20:43 | Redkiller | I wish they made these like they made stuff back in the 50's |
| 14:20:52 | Torne | for reference.. next time it's much easier if you start by explaining your problem, rather than asking for details of one step in what you think is the solution ;) |
| 14:20:53 | Redkiller | shit would outlast me |
| 14:20:59 | Redkiller | but thanks man |
| 14:21:04 | Torne | because it wasn't clear what you actually had done or what the problem was ;) |
| 14:21:06 | S_a_i_n_t | haha! then you'd need to carry it around in a backpack :D |
| 14:21:12 | S_a_i_n_t | Or a small trailer even :P |
| 14:21:26 | Redkiller | it be worth it |
| 14:22:30 | Torne | i really need to implement SMART support in rockbox :) |
| 14:22:39 | Torne | then when your disk is dead rockbox will be able to tell you ;) |
| 14:25:44 | Redkiller | @Torne: I tried to provide the relevant details that you guys probably did not know and I thought I would just give the info that would provide you guys with the least confusion, bUT i FAILED HEHEH |
| 14:26:04 | Redkiller | damnit caps lock |
| 14:26:26 | Redkiller | well good night people. or morning... |
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| 14:32:21 | S_a_i_n_t | Torne: How hard would it be to add S.M.A.R.T data to (for instance) the debug screen? |
| 14:32:29 | S_a_i_n_t | It would be kinda cool ;) |
| 14:33:30 | JdGordon | there is a smart plugin isnt there? |
| 14:33:32 | JdGordon | in the tracker |
| 14:33:50 | * | S_a_i_n_t looks. |
| 14:34:16 | pamaury | It shouldn't be too difficut. SMART is just a matter of sending a ATA request after all |
| 14:35:02 | * | JdGordon annoyingly is back to having no progressbar, but empty text lines work again :/ |
| 14:35:08 | pamaury | which FS ? |
| 14:35:22 | Torne | JdGordon: there's a feature request for one |
| 14:35:25 | Torne | not a plugin, that i know of :) |
| 14:35:37 | Torne | it's on my todo list |
| 14:35:44 | Torne | i was going to put basic support in core, though |
| 14:35:57 | Torne | so it can check for the overall health and the pending reallocs and other well known numbers at boot time |
| 14:36:11 | Torne | and have a plugin to display the full attributes and to be able to initiate selftests |
| 14:36:39 | Torne | the problem with it is interpreting the data, not retrieving it |
| 14:36:57 | Torne | since the meaning of most values is not specified anywhere :) |
| 14:36:59 | pamaury | yes |
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| 14:37:14 | Torne | but there are a few basic stats which are good failure indicators which are standard across almost every drive |
| 14:37:17 | Torne | so, that would be okay to do in core |
| 14:37:19 | pamaury | I don't know a tool which can do it correctly, the smart data is nonsense in lots of cases |
| 14:37:27 | Torne | and maybe i can steal the smartmontools drive feature db for the plugin :) |
| 14:37:27 | * | S_a_i_n_t can't seem to find anything S.M.A.R.T related in the tracker... |
| 14:37:38 | Torne | S_a_i_n_t: the one I knew of was a feature request, adn thusly has now been closed |
| 14:37:42 | Torne | there was no code there |
| 14:37:46 | Torne | just a proposal that there *should* be such a plugin |
| 14:38:00 | S_a_i_n_t | Aha. |
| 14:38:01 | Torne | i have instead put it on my personal todo list |
| 14:38:07 | Torne | :) |
| 14:38:21 | S_a_i_n_t | the list that's...how long now? :P |
| 14:38:25 | Torne | not that many |
| 14:38:33 | Torne | a couple of things on it are rather big, thoguh :) |
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| 14:44:23 | JdGordon | My mammoth skin rework patch changes the draw order to the order in the skin (so images and stuff are drawn in the order they are in the skin code instead of at a block at the end of each viewport) |
| 14:44:37 | JdGordon | That causes some problems with current skins... but has been the plan for ages... |
| 14:45:00 | JdGordon | of course, this is really only a problem if you dont use viewports... |
| 14:45:04 | * | JdGordon curses svn cabbie |
| 14:45:06 | S_a_i_n_t | It has? I thought it was dropped...for that reason (causing problems with some themes) |
| 14:45:27 | kugel | is there any way to do that in a later patch? |
| 14:45:58 | JdGordon | not anymore :/ |
| 14:46:14 | JdGordon | S_a_i_n_t: no, there was something else in the origional patch which made it get dropped |
| 14:46:24 | JdGordon | I dont remember what thuough |
| 14:46:27 | S_a_i_n_t | ...oh. |
| 14:46:51 | S_a_i_n_t | Quite a few themes rely on draw order abuse to make certain effects. |
| 14:47:14 | S_a_i_n_t | It'll be interesting to see which authors complain. |
| 14:47:21 | S_a_i_n_t | I just hope one of them isn;t me. |
| 14:47:34 | JdGordon | right, except that was somewhat magic to begin with... |
| 14:47:48 | JdGordon | now the draw order is guarenteed |
| 14:48:57 | S_a_i_n_t | For the sake of consistency, it would been nice if it was a seperate patch, but, if you can't go back then you can't go back I guess. |
| 14:49:09 | JdGordon | you should be able to do better effects now :) |
| 14:49:35 | JdGordon | well yeah, but because it is an entire rewrite of the display and parse code I would actually need to add extra code and then take it out later |
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| 14:49:44 | JdGordon | its not like this is a 1 line change... |
| 14:50:01 | S_a_i_n_t | Hehehe...you're like the techie version of a creepy guy that lures kids in with sweets ;) |
| 14:50:04 | JdGordon | *cough* 21 files changed, 1443 insertions(+), 2030 deletions(-) |
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| 14:50:16 | S_a_i_n_t | "here kiddies, have some better graphic effects" :D |
| 14:50:21 | JdGordon | that isnt even the latest version |
| 14:50:29 | JdGordon | as long as yo only think that in irc :) |
| 14:50:34 | S_a_i_n_t | that's a HUGE diff |
| 14:51:01 | JdGordon | 2/3 of the skin engine is rewritten |
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| 14:57:20 | * | JdGordon should probaly make conditional viewports work :p |
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| 14:59:48 | * | pixelma wonders if 2/3rd of all the bugs that had been fixed by now, will be back too ;) |
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| 15:19:56 | JdGordon | S_a_i_n_t: pixelma: when a conditional viewport is disabled it doesnt get cleared in svn right? |
| 15:20:17 | JdGordon | you have to manually enable another viewport over it to clear that area |
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| 15:21:43 | S_a_i_n_t | JdGordon; Correct. |
| 15:21:47 | S_a_i_n_t | And, it sucks. |
| 15:22:40 | S_a_i_n_t | I have even resorted to drawing a bitmap overtop of it to "clear" a viewport before now ;) |
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| 15:23:22 | JdGordon | ok cool, I can probably add a tag to *clear* a viewport if it is really wanted |
| 15:23:41 | S_a_i_n_t | Yep, I'd love it. |
| 15:24:08 | simonrvn | that would be awesome |
| 15:24:11 | JdGordon | maybe an auto clear tag like Vf() sort of thing |
| 15:24:32 | JdGordon | put it on SkinWishList and remind me after this mammoth is in |
| 15:24:43 | S_a_i_n_t | Yeah, awsome. |
| 15:25:07 | S_a_i_n_t | Sortof like "clear viewport while condition is false" you mean? |
| 15:25:15 | S_a_i_n_t | Or, am I not quite getting it? |
| 15:25:40 | JdGordon | yeah, except it wont actually work the way I thought it would in my mind :p |
| 15:25:53 | JdGordon | having a clear viewport tag would be much simpler to implement |
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| 15:28:10 | S_a_i_n_t | Ah, yeah...cool. Then just add "%Xx" to the "false" parameter. Nice idea. |
| 15:28:28 | S_a_i_n_t | Or the "true" one, you get the idea :) |
| 15:28:43 | JdGordon | bingo |
| 15:35:12 | JdGordon | 27 files changed, 1610 insertions(+), 2082 deletions(-) |
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| 15:41:30 | JdGordon | for those not watching the mailing list.. http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11470i is ready for testing (some things are missing but it is complete enough to get some bugs from many eyes anyway). I intend to commit this before 3.7 unless it is too buggy. |
| 15:41:49 | JdGordon | that is 6 weeks away... so no chance of anyone saying there hasnt been enough lead time... |
| 15:42:29 | JdGordon | (I know charcell is broken atm so no need to test that YET... but someone will need to step up for that) |
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| 15:49:06 | evilnick_B | JdGordon: Maybe that's a good opportunity to use the Official Test Builds part of the forum? It might generate more testing |
| 15:49:29 | JdGordon | it wont... I've tried putting builds there before |
| 15:49:53 | JdGordon | I will when I'm ready to say it is finished, no need before then |
| 15:50:01 | evilnick_B | Gotchya, okay then |
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| 16:03:28 | pixelma | gevaerts: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=25255.msg169372#msg169372 - a case of annoying hub again? |
| 16:10:40 | gevaerts | hm, that reminds me |
| 16:11:03 | gevaerts | amiconn: did you test a more or less recent build with your hub? |
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| 17:33:01 | literal | what's the status of the USB mode on the Clip+? anything I can test? |
| 17:33:24 | saratoga | see the wiki |
| 17:33:28 | saratoga | but no, theres nothing to test |
| 17:33:51 | literal | I asked here because the wiki was low on details :) |
| 17:34:04 | saratoga | even the part that explains why USB doesn't work ? |
| 17:34:44 | literal | are you referring to something other than this? "Until the USB driver is fully operational, file transfer support is provided by booting the Original Firmware" |
| 17:34:54 | saratoga | yes |
| 17:35:28 | literal | where? I was looking at the SansaAMS page |
| 17:36:40 | amiconn | gevaerts: No, sinec I don't need a hub for regular use anymore |
| 17:42:42 | amiconn | I do have the impression that there are still sporadic resets, even without hub. Also usb performance isn't great |
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| 17:47:19 | pamaury | The usb for clip+ doesn't work. It reliably get stuck at the same point always and always and I have absolutely no idea of what is going not. I can't do any progress until I'm back home with an another computer to correctly run the usb analyzer |
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| 18:34:42 | wadaiko | hi all |
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| 19:18:03 | tydeas | are you ppl thinking of porting Rockbox to Create Noman MyVo tx ? |
| 19:18:23 | funman | no |
| 19:19:00 | tydeas | Ok... obvious. What information should some have to own to do something like rockbox for this old mp3 players? |
| 19:19:57 | tydeas | just from curiosity. |
| 19:20:40 | gevaerts | Have a look at http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/NewPort |
| 19:22:56 | tydeas | nice work guys |
| 19:23:08 | tydeas | dont think will use it or be able to port something |
| 19:23:15 | tydeas | but once again bravo |
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| 19:55:20 | CIA-6 | New commit by mt (r27416): Remove the floating point code from wmaprodec.c and change variable names accordingly. |
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| 20:01:36 | saratoga | so are we close to WMA Pro on a device? |
| 20:02:23 | mt | I'd say so yes |
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| 20:15:23 | saratoga | ha wmapro does not like being compiled without all the linux header files available |
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| 20:17:07 | mt | saratoga: sim build ? |
| 20:17:20 | saratoga | mt: clip build :) |
| 20:18:17 | mt | yeah this will shout out lots of stuff :) |
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| 20:19:46 | saratoga | is libavutil used for anything but av_malloc? |
| 20:20:52 | mt | av_log |
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| 20:21:05 | mt | and some attributes from internal |
| 20:21:13 | mt | internal.h* |
| 20:22:51 | saratoga | so whats the next step? |
| 20:23:13 | saratoga | drop the malloc calls and remaining stuff for libavutil? |
| 20:23:15 | mt | Compiling for a real target |
| 20:23:20 | mt | it's just one malloc |
| 20:23:27 | saratoga | the mdct uses them too |
| 20:23:35 | saratoga | unless you've got that working with the codeclib now |
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| 20:25:24 | mt | which mdct ? wmapro's fixed point mdct doesn't use malloc, or did you mean something else ? |
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| 20:27:46 | saratoga | mt: sorry you're right |
| 20:27:54 | saratoga | grep was misleading, its there but in a dead block |
| 20:28:10 | mt | ah ok .. np |
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| 20:29:07 | giovanni_ | hi |
| 20:29:47 | giovanni_ | I've added the patch Monday I was talking about for the ONDAvx777 |
| 20:30:20 | giovanni_ | It just enabled the hot key option in the menù, and allow the power button to be used to say YES in the yes&no screen |
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| 21:10:42 | Tarvis | so the new rendering code |
| 21:10:53 | Tarvis | Will it behave any differently? |
| 21:11:09 | Tarvis | Is it more strict concerning, say, overlapping viewports? |
| 21:11:39 | Tarvis | (not that it should be done, but other viewports and default/fullscreen viewport always overlap, right?) |
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| 21:37:42 | mt | Bad news |
| 21:37:55 | CIA-6 | New commit by mt (r27417): Add WMA Pro to the main build. WMA Pro now plays on target and decodes in 151% realtime in a 320kbps sample on a sansa e200. Lots of cleanup still ... |
| 21:38:25 | kugel | how's that bad news? |
| 21:38:32 | n1s | mt: Sounds more like good news |
| 21:38:47 | mt | ah, my mistake :P |
| 21:38:59 | n1s | anyway, congratulations |
| 21:39:03 | mt | thanks |
| 21:39:12 | kugel | yes, congratulations! |
| 21:39:23 | mt | Thanks :) |
| 21:39:29 | CIA-6 | r27417 build result: 27 errors, 497 warnings (mt committed) |
| 21:39:37 | kugel | ah! there's the bad news! :P |
| 21:39:45 | mt | haha |
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| 21:42:58 | n1s | mt: i think it wuld be good to disable the codec for targets with very small codec buffers for now (the 3 sansas) |
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| 21:44:04 | mt | yeah I'll probably do that |
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| 21:49:14 | funman | how much additional memory is needed on these ones? |
| 21:49:44 | funman | ouch, ~230kB |
| 21:49:45 | n1s | funman: it overflowed the plugin buffer by more than 200k |
| 21:50:09 | funman | perhaps we should compress functions and decompress them one by one at runtime O:-) |
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| 21:53:38 | n1s | it has some very large tables |
| 21:54:02 | n1s | so, load the tables as binaries into the audio buffer :) |
| 21:55:13 | saratoga | awesome |
| 21:56:03 | funman | mt: wmapro_mainbuild.patch can be removed now? |
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| 21:57:00 | n1s | saratoga: i've synced the codeclib bitstream stuff from ffmpeg and cook works fine, so i think i'll try it with wma, did you change that stuff from the ffmpeg version (except for removing unused stuff, killing warnings and mallocs etc)? |
| 21:58:06 | funman | sincos_lookup_wmap *almost* fits in 16bits |
| 21:58:16 | mt | funman: many things can be removed now |
| 21:59:19 | mt | That will be in cleanup commits later |
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| 22:00:00 | funman | amiconn: not sure why i missed the binsize difference, surely a window was in front of my browser |
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| 22:00:39 | Tarvis | well, have fun sorting out those 524 problems |
| 22:00:54 | funman | in my defense i checked genlang doc: "different strings, separated with colons." |
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| 22:05:33 | mt | I'll disable wmapro again for now and work on those errors tomorrow, very tired now .. |
| 22:06:39 | funman | mt: i can have a look (not sure if i know what's going on with iaudio) |
| 22:06:54 | funman | i just put clipv2 PCB pictures on SansaClip |
| 22:07:46 | CIA-6 | New commit by mt (r27418): Remove WMA Pro again from the main build temporarily till the errors/warnings are sorted out. |
| 22:09:18 | mt | funman: Thanks :) .. don't worry about it though if you don't have time, I should be able to fix that tomorrow |
| 22:09:26 | CIA-6 | r27418 build result: All green |
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| 22:12:11 | funman | ah the problem is big endian |
| 22:13:40 | amiconn | Another one is iram size (m200v4 & friends) |
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| 22:14:13 | funman | codecs don't use iram on m200v4 & cie (at least rockbox thinks so) |
| 22:15:20 | amiconn | Err, it's PLUGIN_RAM |
| 22:15:36 | amiconn | So wmapro is probably simply too big for those targets |
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| 22:19:18 | funman | .. for now :) |
| 22:19:46 | CIA-6 | New commit by funman (r27419): Check if ROCKBOX_LITTLE_ENDIAN and ROCKBOX_BIG_ENDIAN are defined, no which value they have |
| 22:19:52 | CIA-6 | New commit by funman (r27420): wmapro: don't force little endianness |
| 22:19:59 | CIA-6 | New commit by funman (r27421): wmapro: silence some warnings related to function prototypes unused in rockbox |
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| 22:21:42 | CIA-6 | r27419 build result: All green |
| 22:23:27 | CIA-6 | r27421 build result: All green |
| 22:24:51 | Tarvis | SILENCE! |
| 22:25:52 | saratoga | mt: I changed the wma bitsream stuff IIRC |
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| 22:26:13 | saratoga | back when I ported it, ffmpeg didn't support static huffman tables, so i hacked up my own to ditch the malloc's |
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| 22:26:37 | saratoga | but i think all I need is the get_vlc2 stuff, so it'll probably work with stock ffmpeg bitstream now |
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| 22:26:50 | saratoga | hmm no, the vlc table init stuff will be wrong |
| 22:27:03 | saratoga | how about for now just don't worry about wma, i'll figure it out |
| 22:27:33 | saratoga | IMO getting the imdct shared with the other codecs is a bigger deal, since that will improve performance and save a lot of memory |
| 22:27:39 | CIA-6 | New commit by funman (r27422): remove unused CODECLIBS variable from makefile |
| 22:27:46 | CIA-6 | New commit by funman (r27423): Build wmapro, disabled on targets with less than 2MB of ram |
| 22:29:06 | CIA-6 | r27422 build result: All green |
| 22:30:07 | saratoga | anyway, congrats, but I have to go |
| 22:30:43 | CIA-6 | r27423 build result: All green |
| 22:31:09 | kugel | funman: wouldn't it be better to check for CODEC_BUFFER_SIZE directly? |
| 22:31:16 | funman | yeah probably |
| 22:31:41 | kugel | 320k+230k makes 550k (for ARM) |
| 22:32:10 | funman | typical codec buffer size is 1MB i think |
| 22:32:41 | kugel | yep |
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| 22:35:13 | funman | #if CODEC_BUFFER_SIZE < (1<<20) // is ok ? |
| 22:36:41 | kugel | why 1MB? |
| 22:36:49 | kugel | it needs ~550k |
| 22:38:43 | funman | just because it matches all the targets which can build it |
| 22:39:06 | funman | i want to leave some kind of margin in case wmapro got bigger because of compiler/option/weather change |
| 22:39:51 | kugel | why make the limit higher than needed because of potential future changes? |
| 22:40:16 | kugel | also remember that AMSv2 has slightly less than 1MB codec buffer |
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| 22:40:49 | amiconn | 640K? |
| 22:41:02 | funman | 'what's needed' is a theorical value |
| 22:41:09 | funman | ah that's right |
| 22:41:50 | kugel | it's not theoretical |
| 22:41:59 | kugel | it's pretty deterministic actually |
| 22:42:21 | funman | right know we use: 1MB on everything but AMS: 48000 on AMSv1+2MB, 1MB-32kB on AMSv2 |
| 22:42:38 | funman | kugel: it might change at each build |
| 22:42:51 | funman | i'll leave it up to you to choose the limit |
| 22:43:08 | kugel | I'd just pick 600k |
| 22:43:15 | funman | looks fine |
| 22:43:40 | funman | although i preferred the 640K 'for historical reasons' ;) |
| 22:44:15 | kugel | yea, that ought to be enough for every codec |
| 22:45:50 | funman | :) |
| 22:46:14 | kugel | funman: isn't codec buffer 320k on amsv1-2mb? |
| 22:46:36 | funman | yes |
| 22:46:44 | funman | 0x48000 |
| 22:47:11 | funman | well 288k (320kB - 32kB) |
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| 22:57:39 | funman | themes upload.php isn't in svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/www ? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?PHPSESSID=6b6a31bb27a031054b2b585c99ba8e5d&topic=25266.msg169389;topicseen#msg169389 |
| 22:59:09 | domonoky | funman its at: svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/themes.rockbox.org/trunk/public |
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| 23:01:12 | funman | i don't know PHP but perhaps $output is undefined because of the foreach loops not being run (condition always false) ? |
| 23:02:45 | Buschel | hmmm, do we have the map files of v3.6 builds? |
| 23:03:47 | funman | Buschel: if they're not in the .zip, no |
| 23:04:29 | Buschel | then we should add them to the .zip |
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| 23:04:51 | funman | that, or save the .map separately |
| 23:04:56 | funman | (at the time of building the release) |
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| 23:07:39 | funman | domonoky: what's the "private/" dir? (can i share the svn url?) |
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| 23:08:21 | domonoky | funman: sure.. the private dir hosts the not web accessiible part of the themesite.. |
| 23:08:46 | domonoky | ie the core scripts and config files etc.. |
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| 23:09:54 | domonoky | funman: so the checkwps function which called before it fails in the screen shot is in the private dir in the file themesite.class.php |
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| 23:14:38 | CIA-6 | New commit by lenzone10 (r27424): Updated italian translation. |
| 23:14:53 | funman | i don't know php anyway :) |
| 23:16:13 | CIA-6 | r27424 build result: All green |
| 23:16:26 | domonoky | funman: from looking at the code, the most likely path for causing this error, if it doesnt find any themefiles in the zip :-) |
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| 23:27:24 | jacekowski | hello |
| 23:27:49 | jacekowski | i have some offtopic - general hardware hacking question |
| 23:28:55 | jacekowski | i have device with couple testpads, some of these are probably jtag, what would be the best approach to find out which pads are these? |
| 23:29:20 | jacekowski | just blind bruteforce sending halt command and checking when cpu stops? |
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| 23:34:31 | n1s | jacekowski: the best approach is to not ask offtopic questions in here, htey are more than welcome in #rockbox-community though |
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| 23:35:04 | jacekowski | well, this is dev channel which i would think is better place to ask technical question |
| 23:35:35 | fml2 | Hello. When I do the target build for e200 v1 I get many warnings about signedness of char. Is it known and OK? |
| 23:36:17 | n1s | fml2: no, sounds like a toolchain issue, the official builds don't get any warnings |
| 23:36:22 | n1s | (usually) |
| 23:36:54 | funman | fml2: which compiler / OS ? |
| 23:36:57 | fml2 | I just installed the eabi compiler with rockboxdev.sh. All went OK |
| 23:37:24 | fml2 | funman: Ubuntu 10.04. The compiler is... how can I find out? |
| 23:37:32 | Bagder | and does configure find it when you run it? |
| 23:37:48 | funman | fml2: arm-elf-eabi-gcc -v |
| 23:38:21 | fml2 | Bagder: it didn't when I first ran it. That's why I ran rockboxdev. After that I have not run configure again. |
| 23:38:32 | Bagder | then you should |
| 23:38:43 | n1s | fml2: several people ran into very weird issues when installing the new toolchain if the old one was present (in the old path) |
| 23:38:47 | Bagder | it sets some options depending on the actual version found |
| 23:38:57 | n1s | ah, yes |
| 23:39:06 | funman | configure should just error out and not create Makefile |
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| 23:39:23 | n1s | funman: that would be a PITA when testing different compilers |
| 23:39:32 | funman | how so ? |
| 23:39:41 | fml2 | I now ran configure again and started the build. It seems to recompile everything. |
| 23:39:45 | Bagder | configure does output a fairly fine warning |
| 23:39:52 | n1s | you'd have to patch configure even more |
| 23:40:09 | funman | i have another idea |
| 23:40:53 | n1s | funman: ah, you meant if it doesn't find any toolchain at all, not for wrong version etc |
| 23:41:01 | funman | Bagder: where does configure set different options depending on the gcc found? |
| 23:41:19 | fml2 | by the way: has anybody looked at FS #11473 (New bookmarking option: one per track)? |
| 23:41:24 | funman | no, also for wrong version, provided configure does some stuff depending on the gcc version found |
| 23:41:26 | Bagder | funman: search for gccnum |
| 23:41:44 | Buschel | can someone with an AMS target (e.g. fuze v1) check fs#11476 for reproducibility? |
| 23:42:00 | funman | ah it's only about warnings |
| 23:42:09 | Bagder | right |
| 23:42:22 | n1s | funman: but why, it throws a *big* warning in your face |
| 23:42:43 | funman | Buschel: you don't have a patch? |
| 23:42:58 | funman | n1s: yes but fixing the problem (putting the compiler in PATH) isn't enough |
| 23:43:52 | n1s | funman: indeed |
| 23:44:03 | Buschel | I have, but I until now I have nobody who is able to build such and can reproduce the issue |
| 23:44:18 | funman | i have a couple AMS |
| 23:44:40 | funman | well even a couple of couple of couple |
| 23:44:45 | n1s | funman: maybe the warning should tell people to reconfigure once they got the toolchaing set up |
| 23:45:23 | funman | if they need to reconfigure, we might as well error out and not create any file |
| 23:46:13 | n1s | yes, i agree, for the no cross gcc in path case |
| 23:46:56 | funman | Buschel: i'm heading for bed, remind me next time if you couldn't find a tester |
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| 23:47:23 | Buschel | funman: no prob, I also need to have some sleep now |
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