#rockbox 2010-07-24

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#rockbox log for 2010-07-24

00:02:04	n1s	uh, building the database with the HVSC on the player takes a while :)
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00:06:46	CIA-6	New commit by 03Buschel (r27535): Introduce macros for identical multiply-add blocks.
00:08:24	CIA-6	r27535 build result: All green
00:11:40	n1s	Buschel: that multiply-add loop would probably see quite a large speedup from proper coldfire asm
00:12:28	Buschel	yep, just trying to set this up. would of course stop it if you would drop in :o)
00:12:51	Buschel	because I cannot test it by myself and would need to ask you for your help again ;)
00:13:09	n1s	heh, no problem, i'm not going to touch it :)
00:16:33	n1s	using movclr right after a mac instruction using the same accumulator will stall for 1 cycle (IIRC) so that loop has an overhead of 2 cycles per multiply for fetching the result plus one for accumulating when the accumulation could be done for free in the acc and the result needs only to be fetched once since only 2 acc's are used
00:18:55	n1s	not to mention movem and emac parallell loads...
00:23:31	delt	n1s: old motorola asm?
00:23:36	delt	heh good old memories =)
00:24:00	n1s	delt: yeah, some of our targets have coldfire cpus
00:25:05	delt	hehe, so did the first mac's (mac plus, mac classic) ...but those were basic 68000's
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00:27:35	n1s	hmm, that atrac codec doesn't set the mcsr so it's likely output garbage if something sets it to integer mode...
00:27:42	n1s	*macsr
00:28:57	delt	i think the term 'coldfire' comes from "ah, let's burn all this old computer junk lying under 25 years of dust in the attic" then cough cough wtf, campfire wet out?? is it raining? "no, those m68k's were too 'cool' back in the day, so they put out the fire!"
00:29:05	delt	ok bad one =)
00:29:15	Buschel	n1s: maybe it is better, if you take over the asm optimization for coldfire
00:29:18	n1s	heh
00:30:06	delt	iirc those were also used in the c64 and next few amiga's, but boosted to 15MHz instead of the normal 7.5
00:30:10	n1s	Buschel: ok, i'll try to take a look at that next week
00:30:55	n1s	i wonder if there are any test files for it on the server
00:32:03	Buschel	you may use this as a starting point -> http://www.pastebin.org/413862
00:32:28	delt	i wonder if there's ANY hardware anywhere in existence that supports that atrac "codec" ..... other than those sony CD walkmans from 7-8 years ago
00:33:10	Buschel	n1s: link to samples -> http://samples.mplayerhq.hu/real/AC-atrc/
00:33:11	delt	i still have the cd that came with one of those somewhere, saw it the other day
00:33:40	n1s	Buschel: ah, nice
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00:35:33	bertrik	delt, atrac was the codec used for minidisc, but that's a bit off-topic for this channel
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00:37:13	RockboxDev1	Hello, I am new to developing rockbox. I noticed that the rockbox application is nearly a month old now. When is the rockbox community going to release an update?
00:38:05	goffa	svn is updated several times per day
00:38:13	goffa	don't know the schedule of official releases
00:38:32	n1s	RockboxDev1: by "the rockbox application" do you mean the rockbox-as-an-application project or something else?
00:38:59	delt	bertrik: minidiscs werent that popular in Canada
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00:39:53	delt	but being developed by Sony, not surprising the same codec would show up (years later) in their "walkman" cd-mp3 players and such
00:43:35	n1s	aha, even more fun, the sample i found doesn't play at all if the macsr is set to fractional and outputs whitenoise if it's set to integer...
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00:44:10	n1s	ha, now it plays, how weird
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00:47:29	kisak	minidisks weren't popular anywhere as far as I know
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00:49:05	*	Buschel owned the very first MD-player that was sold in Bremen (norther Germany) −− a MZ-1.
00:49:31	Buschel	a crappy unit that I used for 1 week and then brought it back for repair (several weeks)
00:49:48	Buschel	followed by another 1 week usage and another several weeks repair
00:50:07	delt	anyway, bitrate for standard CD (uncompressed) would be 176400 * 16 (bits per sample) == 352800 ??
00:50:12	Buschel	then I received a new unit and sold it
00:50:28	Buschel	CD has 1.4 Mbit
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00:50:44	Buschel	44.100 Hz * 2 channels * 16 bit
00:50:51	delt	DUH
00:51:08	delt	ok, so i multiplied the bit depth twice...... :
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00:52:52	n1s	hmm the coldfire fixmul16 in libatrac is buggy, it modifies a register specified as input :/
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00:53:26	n1s	btw, how many copies of fractional multiply functions do we have?
00:53:43	delt	well, i -used- to be a "not too bad" coder.... like 15 years ago :/
00:54:30	n1s	it could also clobber one register less without taking more cycles
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00:54:51	saratoga	n1s: every codec defines their own, i think the core has only one set
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00:55:40	n1s	saratoga: most of them should be identical, i think this should be merged together in one header in the codec lib
00:55:55	saratoga	i don't really see any point
00:56:08	saratoga	they're typically 2-3 instructions long
00:56:59	n1s	at least the coldfire fixmul16 in libatrac is both buggy and suboptimal, that would be less likely if we had only one implementation
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00:58:02	n1s	it's the same penalties that come with code duplication everywhere
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00:58:55	Buschel	n1s: if it is buggy and suboptimal you could also change MUL_R in libfaad and MPC_MULTIPLY in libmusepack. all three are nearly identical
00:59:13	n1s	see :)
00:59:40	Buschel	_nearly_ :o)
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01:02:16	n1s	the bug might be irrelevant though, it depends on the usage, but basically, when these macros use mulu they clobber [x] which is specified as an input so gcc will assume it's unchanged and if it is needed again it will have the wrong contents
01:02:36	n1s	[x] is also shifted
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01:06:58	Spaceghost	is possible add a external microphone to a sansa e2xx?
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01:07:11	Spaceghost	what tablets other than "iRiver" can be good for recording?
01:07:44	n1s	testing a build made with gcc 4.4.4 on my h300 has gone well so far playback/fm/recording and a few plugins i tried all seem fine
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01:08:16	n1s	database built too
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01:10:33	Spaceghost	how can I compare between the recorders of the tablets?
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01:37:55	n1s	hmm, something is strange about this, the atract codec gives me codec_failure most times if i try to play a file while another file is playing
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01:44:42	n1s	anyway, setting the macsr fixes the whitenoise bug at least
01:47:24	CIA-6	New commit by 03nls (r27536): libatrac: Set the emac mode on coldfire, fixes whitenoise output if playing an atrac file after using a codec that sets macsr to integer mode.
01:49:04	CIA-6	r27536 build result: All green
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02:07:01	omgitsmisha	How long should a fuzev2 typically take to boot Rockbox for the first time?
02:10:02	omgitsmisha	And just like that, the problem fixes itself.
02:12:43	stripwax__	what was the problem exactly? and what does boot 'for the first time' mean? don't you need to boot every time you turn it on?
02:13:22	omgitsmisha	Oh, I'd just installed Rockbox for the first time.
02:13:51	stripwax__	oh i see - yep, it doesn't take long to boot
02:14:11	omgitsmisha	Yeah, it hanged like, the first 5 or so times I booted it.
02:14:29	omgitsmisha	It eventually populated the database on the 6th boot, and now works fine.
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02:32:50	skfunnyboy_	i own a Fuze v2 .... and it take 4 sec to boot
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11:09:05	n1s	i have no idea what causes this weird codec failure with atrac3_rm on my h300...
11:09:39	n1s	according to logf rm_get_packet fails sometimes in the version check...
11:13:11	n1s	doesn't seem to happen on the beast or on the sim either :/
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11:37:24	OutlawRamRod	Hello guys. Can anyone give me a hand with a problem I'm having with my rockbox update
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11:41:44	VoivoD	Hi. Im having a problem identifying particular sandisk model. Im confused about c200 series and c200 v2(which is unsupported by now). Can you tell me which model this is: http://allegro.pl/item1149478265_okazyjnie_sandisk_c250_2gb_odtwarzacz_mp3_dyktafon.html ??
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11:46:37	pixelma	it's impossible to tell for sure from a picture. The only sure way is to find out about the version number of the original firmware, if you can ask the seller.
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11:47:39	stripwax_	OutlawRamRod - can you describe the problem specifically and someone here might be able to help
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11:50:10	OutlawRamRod	Ok here is my problem. I've got an ipod 4th gen 30 gb which I used successfully with rockbox up til version 3.2. I've tried to upgrade to 3.6 but I constantly get an error when loading rockbox. I've got the rb bootloader v4.0 on part. 1 but I keep getting the error message 'can't load rockbox.ipod; bad checksum" I've tried both the automated installer as well as installing manually. I even reinstalled the bootloader but nothing seems to work.
11:50:26	VoivoD	Firmware 01.01.05
11:50:27	bertrik	The 'a' in the word "sansa" is the same as on my c200v1, the 'a' on newer sansas looks a bit different. But this is no guarantee.
11:50:33	VoivoD	that is said on the auction
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11:54:27	MichaelVBerry	Im' looking to be able to add to the Wiki pls
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12:04:26	n1s	recorder/bmp.h and plugins/lrcplayer.c test for #ifdef HAVE_LCD_REMOTE which is not defined anywhere, HAVE_REMOTE_LCD is used everywhere else
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12:04:48	bertrik	haha
12:06:09	n1s	ah, that bmp.h think only guards a macro that isn't used anywhere so fixing that is easy
12:06:29	n1s	i'll just assume lrcplayer intended to use the correct define too
12:07:01	bertrik	n1s, I think there are probably many more useless #includes
12:08:14	bertrik	MichaelVBerry, I think I can add you if I remember how :)
12:08:30	bertrik	Is MichaelVBerry your real name?
12:09:23	bertrik	VoivoD, that firmware version indicates a c200v1
12:09:43	VoivoD	ok thanks, one more question
12:09:56	VoivoD	where i can find differences between v1 and v2 ?
12:10:16	VoivoD	feature ones and technical ones
12:11:13	MichaelVBerry	I signed up with my first name as MichaelV and surname as Berry
12:12:12	bertrik	ok, I think that's fine
12:13:40	MichaelVBerry	Thanks
12:13:48	bertrik	What topic are you planning on editing?
12:14:13	MichaelVBerry	I have rockbox running on a Philips 1620
12:17:14	stripwax_	OutlawRamRod - some ideas: 1. run a chkdsk/scandisk/fsck.vfat/etc on your ipod to check for a bad filesystem; 2. redownload the rockbox.zip and unzip onto your ipod (or re-run the installer); 3. make sure you "disconnect safely" from windows before unplugging the ipod (icon in bottom right of windows systray)
12:18:21	bertrik	MichaelVBerry, you should have wiki edit rights now
12:19:17	bertrik	VoivoD, I don't know if we have a direct comparison between the two. The v2 hardware can basically do anything the v1 can do, I think sandisk made sure of that.
12:20:08	bertrik	The c200v2 processor can run a lot faster (240 MHz instead of 80 MHz)
12:21:54	bertrik	What do people think of patches like http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/9305 (Context sensitive backlight on key press)
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12:24:08	amiconn	[11:09:04] <n1s> i have no idea what causes this weird codec failure with atrac3_rm on my h300... <= endianness issue?
12:24:33	bertrik	Personally I feel like it's a lot of code for yet-another-special-case with respect to the user interface
12:26:06	VoivoD	@bertrik, is this processor speed will degrade rockbox usefulness/features or give problems with playbacks ?
12:28:07	bertrik	No, rockbox runs fine on the 80 MHz c200v1. This 80 MHz is plenty for nearly all codecs (mp3 requires something like 25 MHz for example).
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12:30:35	bertrik	There will be lossless APE files that you cannot play because the player is too slow, but this APE codec is a bit of a special case in its ability to create files that are very CPU intensive
12:31:48	VoivoD	i mainly want to play musepack
12:34:11	bertrik	According to our wiki pages, musepack runs efficient and realtime on these kind of players
12:34:36	VoivoD	and what about realtime effects like eq etc ?
12:34:42	VoivoD	no problem with those too ?
12:37:43	bertrik	They work, although I never use them personally
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12:40:17	S_a_i_n_t	bertrik: I'm not sure I'm too much of a fan of FS #9305, IMO, if you use the player the backlight should come on without exception...but, that's me.
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12:40:56	S_a_i_n_t	It is an awful lot of code for what it does also.
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12:41:55	S_a_i_n_t	Hmmm, more specific: s/use the player/alter a setting, etc./
12:48:19	n1s	amiconn: that could be it of course but it's strange that it works sometimes i think...
12:48:55	n1s	maybe something with the alignment of buffers
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12:50:57	n1s	also i don't really know how to debug that...
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12:53:05	*	JdGordon1 yells loudly at apps/gui/skin_engine_skin_display.c
12:53:22	JdGordon1	why the bloody hell do progressbars draw in the default viepwort when other vp's are enabled! they bloody shouldnt!
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12:56:10	bertrik	n1s, if the #ifdef was wrong, then nobody must be using that function yet
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12:57:07	n1s	bertrik: it's in plugin_load() so it should have run before starting a plugin but didn't
12:57:42	bertrik	oh sorry, I somehow thought that was a function exposed by the plugin API (need coffee)
12:58:54	n1s	now any guesses as to where having HAVE_REMOTE_LCD defined and still having NB_SCREENS == 1 causes rockbox to hang while booting?
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13:00:09	JdGordon1	all the theme loading stuff
13:00:13	JdGordon1	including icons, fonts
13:00:20	n1s	urg
13:00:23	JdGordon1	actually no, other way around
13:01:34	n1s	other way around how?
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13:01:57	JdGordon1	all that stuff should be looping on NB_SCREENS so it should be ok
13:02:30	JdGordon1	setting_apply() might have issues
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13:03:11	JdGordon1	ah shit, no... theme_settings.c
13:03:12	amiconn	I would expect screen_init to break in that situation
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13:03:27	JdGordon1	this is when logf is stealing the remote lcd?
13:04:26	amiconn	Hmm, in that situation probably not
13:04:55	VoivoD	bertrik, what size(gb) of memory card you use ?
13:05:05	VoivoD	on that sandisk c200v1
13:05:13	*	amiconn thought n1s is doing experiments where main lcd is undefined
13:05:44	bertrik	4GB
13:05:57	n1s	amiconn: no i actually tried to build a logf build on my h300, that sets NB_SCREENS to 1 and uses the remote for the log
13:06:09	JdGordon1	pixelma: S_a_i_n_t: re documenting the tags... if we agree that the xml is the way to go (I dont see a technical reason to not do it) then really the only thing needed is to fill out the file... the scripts to convert that to useable stuff is simple in comparisson
13:06:43	JdGordon1	there is also a few ays to go about that, but the best way would be by hand so we make sure it is all correct and up to date
13:07:20	JdGordon1	in which case all that is needed is volunteer time
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13:08:03	JdGordon1	there are about 180 tags to fill out, most would be pretty quick
13:08:21	S_a_i_n_t	A focus on slightly more verbose definitions would be nice.
13:08:44	JdGordon1	because of the size of the work though noone wants to start unless we are 100% certain this is what we want
13:08:57	S_a_i_n_t	For some of the tags it's kinda hard to explain what they can do in a concise way though.
13:09:07	*	JdGordon1 is happy to write a script to to the boiler plate stuff
13:09:30	*	amiconn doesn't understand why JdGordon1 wants to use xml for tag documentation
13:10:15	S_a_i_n_t	The other thing I was thinking with the script is tag groupings.
13:10:21	JdGordon1	amiconn: do you have a better idea? the point is that it means if any tag changes there is one file which needs to be updated instead of 3,4,etc
13:10:32	pixelma	to get it available for "multi-platform" -> theme editor, the manual, (maybe the wiki)? All generated from one file
13:10:51	S_a_i_n_t	they are grouped in a fairly sane way in the manual, but if parsed straight from the list it will be some fairly random ordoer...no?
13:11:03	S_a_i_n_t	*order
13:11:11	JdGordon1	S_a_i_n_t: did you see my pastebin on thursday night? I added a group attribute
13:11:25	S_a_i_n_t	Ah, no..I missed that, sorry.
13:11:29	pixelma	no, there is a "group"parameter in the proposed xml which can be used
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13:12:05	JdGordon1	http://pastebin.com/QW8VzH4s
13:12:06	pixelma	attrinbute that's what I meant
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13:12:49	S_a_i_n_t	If someone opened a google doc, and handed out permission to those that cared to do so, definitions/descriptions for 180 tags could be done in a relatively short time.
13:13:05	JdGordon1	thats what I was hopiong to hear :)
13:13:16	JdGordon1	that is the ideal way to do it for the start
13:13:27	S_a_i_n_t	Fine with me.
13:13:39	pixelma	the nice thing about google docs is that everyone can edit usually IIRC
13:13:51	S_a_i_n_t	correct.
13:15:25	JdGordon1	ok, I'll quickly do a script to dump the boilerplate stuff from the code
13:16:18	JdGordon1	I could try merging the LaTeX code in if that is really wanted, but not sure how good that would be
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13:17:17	n1s	hmm, maybe this thing could be debugged in the sim at least :)
13:19:48	n1s	ah, it seems it's loading a remote backdrop
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13:24:41	S_a_i_n_t	Well, I can't really do anything (usefull) regarding the scripting stuff behind this skin tag thing, but once there's an editable base to work off, I'll be happy to spend my free time editing descriptions/examples for the known tags.
13:25:04	S_a_i_n_t	With 3~4 of us working on said list, even for a small amount of time it won't take very long.
13:25:26	JdGordon1	it doesnt need an examples field thingy does it?
13:25:40	S_a_i_n_t	IMO, yes.
13:25:47	JdGordon1	for every one?
13:25:50	JdGordon1	thats just silly
13:26:18	S_a_i_n_t	description, example. It seems silly to us, but, when you're learning, you really need it.
13:26:28	S_a_i_n_t	it stops it from being so intimidating.
13:26:55	S_a_i_n_t	I remember being thankful for the tags that had clear code examples myself.
13:27:23	JdGordon1	I think with much more verbose help in general they wont be needed
13:27:49	pixelma	would a table with descriptive fields do?
13:28:04	S_a_i_n_t	It'd still be nice to have IMO, but, if I'm blatantly outvoted, then I'll learn to live with it :P
13:28:42	S_a_i_n_t	I just think that a code example for each tag, unless it's BLATANTLY obvious how to use it, would be a good thing.
13:29:21	JdGordon1	pixelma: ?
13:30:55	pixelma	table with columns for "tag" "group" "description" and whatever is needed, then convert the xml from it?
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13:32:10	JdGordon1	that would work.. I was gonig to try doing it directly from the .tex file
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13:39:23	pixelma	if you know how to do it, why not (I can imagine that sometimes examples get in the way, IIRC the ones for viewports even come from external files). I was only thinking about collecting the info and have a completl list of tags
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13:40:27	JdGordon1	pixelma: ok, no I'm now confused about what your talking about.. examples or pulling the current descriptions?
13:41:01	pixelma	pulling the current descriptions from tex as you said
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13:42:44	JdGordon1	yeah, na, should be easy enough... I'm done with the pulling from the .c file so we'll see how easy it is
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13:44:29	JdGordon1	the & is the table column seperator in tex?
13:44:37	pixelma	just that some descriptions contain examples.... hmm... probably not in a tag table
13:44:38	JdGordon1	i.e \config{\%iA} & Album Artist\\
13:44:39	pixelma	yes
13:45:00	pixelma	the \\ is the "new row"
13:45:26	JdGordon1	OK, I was going to just get the values from those tables, and the grouping, the extra text will need to be added manually, but that is much easier
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13:45:56	pixelma	\% is just escaping the % as it marks a comment in tex otherwise
13:46:08	pixelma	I see
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13:58:24	pixelma	hmm... there is no specific feature for the "Digital" in the source setting for recordings It's included in all recording targets but only a few will show it (H100s and the Recorders). It's ust one string though and a short one too so I'm not sure if it's worth it to include one
13:59:01	pixelma	included in the .lng and .voice files
13:59:09	JdGordon1	adding it will break voice files, the usual conundrum :p
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14:00:43	pixelma	it's not that bad anymore since we have daily built voices
14:01:25	JdGordon1	any perl wizards awake?
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14:28:37	JdGordon1	pixelma: on second thoughts.. can you convert the tex to something simpler please? I'm not having much luck
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14:29:31	JdGordon1	holy cow! the generated html is worse than the tex!
14:32:45	pixelma	I believe there was a way to generate a text file from it but I never tried and don't know how tables look there
14:34:32	pixelma	make manual-txt
14:34:44	pixelma	according to the wiki
14:35:10	JdGordon1	I dont have tex installed and cant install it atm. can you do it and see what its like?
14:35:41	pixelma	I'll try
14:36:10	*	JdGordon1 has no idea why his script isnt working though :(
14:36:26	JdGordon1	I'm getting maybe 1:10 tags from the .text
14:36:28	JdGordon1	-t
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14:39:09	pixelma	even if it is just for the manual as a start
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14:41:53	pixelma	JdGordon1: can't try as the linux machine I have access to doesn't have "links" installed and I don't have that many rights. The wiki says that the text manual first compiles the html manual and then makes a text out of it, the hml doesn't build on (my) cygwin because I never managed to get tex4ht to run which is needed for it
14:42:07	pixelma	well, I tried but it failed
14:42:17	JdGordon1	ok, I'm getting closer here
14:42:37	JdGordon1	there will be some missing but if i can get over 80% auto filled it will be a much simpler start
14:43:01	pixelma	c+p from the PDF? ;)
14:43:37	JdGordon1	the multi line descrptions is breaking me :(
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14:47:56	JdGordon1	google docs isnt very good for plain text files :/
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14:50:18	JdGordon1	pixelma: S_a_i_n_t: (anyone else interested) https://docs.google.com/document/edit?id=17d-uo1cnlWdCAJDpNWH7xCOBWc-jb3hXbub6sHFJ0B4&hl=en&authkey=CJP9kaoJ
14:50:31	JdGordon1	is there a better webapp to share a plain text file?
14:52:42	JdGordon1	https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AazlOGMuRZ7OZGd6ZzMyYmtfMjJjN3Jia3Bobg&hl=en&authkey=CLb3l4YO is a better template
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15:04:46	pixelma	hmm... it's been there from the start of langv2
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15:40:40	S_a_i_n_t	JdGordon1: Is there a particular doc to work off?
15:40:48	S_a_i_n_t	(skin tag stuff)
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15:45:12	VoivoD	excuse me, please tell me if it is a good deal to buy new sandisk c250 for 35$ or better buy something other?
15:48:23	S_a_i_n_t	I'd try asking in #rockbox-community, you may not get an answer there, but it won't be off-topic at least.
15:50:48	VoivoD	kk
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15:57:26	*	S_a_i_n_t is quite interested in http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=25339.msg169774#msg169774
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16:13:26	JdGordon1	S_a_i_n_t: not really.. see the pastebin for a few hours ago
16:14:29	JdGordon1	I'll quickly put a full example there, but it is mostly freeform while we figure it out
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16:32:00	JdGordon1	S_a_i_n_t: pixelma: ok, I've dumped a blurb on how to fill out the tags in the doc
16:32:08	JdGordon1	obviously it is flexible if it isnt enough
16:37:58	bertrik	Can someone with a player with a TEA5767 chip test http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11492 ?
16:38:18	bertrik	a TEA5767 FM tuner chip I mean
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17:02:41	pamaury	bertrik: which players avec this ?
17:04:32	S_a_i_n_t	JdGordon1: Not sure which link I should be looking at, can't find any blurb in the first google-doc link and the second one (link) seems to be invalid.
17:04:53	bertrik	iaudio m3/m5/x5, iriver h10/h100/h120/h300, archos ondiofm, gogear hdd1630/hdd6330, onda vx747/vx767/vx777, sansa c100/m200v4, mpio hd200
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17:34:25	JdGordon1	S_a_i_n_t: https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AazlOGMuRZ7OZGd6ZzMyYmtfMjJjN3Jia3Bobg&hl=en&authkey=CLb3l4YO
17:34:29	JdGordon1	no worky?
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17:50:36	S_a_i_n_t	JdGordon: JdGordon1: Aaaargh, sorry I've been awol...yeah, nope. That link gives me "Google Docs has encountered a server error. We are looking into the problem now." :-/
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20:14:42	RandomCake	Hi, I have a Sansa Fuze, but I'm not sure what version it is, a v1 or v2, but the version listed on the device is V01.02.31P, which looks like it's version 1, but thought I'd best see if anyone can confirm before I risk bricking it...
20:16:05	mc2739	RandomCake: that is a v1
20:16:08	sudoman	i'm not sure if this works, but you could try telling rockbox util to auto-detect the player version. it might know the difference...
20:22:48	RandomCake	okay mc2739, thought so :) and it didn't autodetect sudoman, here we go! wish me luck! :P
20:23:24	bluebroth3r	Rockbox Utility should be able to distinguish them, they have different USB IDs.
20:24:23	bluebroth3r	bieber: I was playing around with creating a NSIS based installer for the Theme Editor the last days (but as I was pretty short on time there wasn't much activity from my side here)
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20:24:47	RandomCake	it seems to fail to autodetect it at all
20:25:55	bluebroth3r	I can now make the installer also download the fonts package and extract it into some folder. What do you think about having the editor check in <program location>/fonts and fall back to a user folder if it doesn't find the required font (or if the user folder does contain a newer version)?
20:26:12	bluebroth3r	RandomCake: you can retrieve the USB ID via Help / Troubleshooting / System Info
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20:27:03	bluebroth3r	RandomCake: if the PID is 74c1 it's a v1, and if it's 74c3 it's a v2.
20:27:19	RandomCake	strange, it's listing the volume, but no USB devices
20:27:39	bluebroth3r	no usb devices at all? That's really strange.
20:27:59	bluebroth3r	(you're referring to the System Info dialog, correct?)
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20:30:19	RandomCake	yes, it lists all the mounted volumes, which includes the Fuze, I'm just going to plug in my iPod and see if it then lists that under 'usb devices'
20:31:02	bluebroth3r	RandomCake: what OS are you using? Windows? And which version?
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20:32:17	pixelma	is there also some MTP/UMS setting on the Fuze - and does the Rockbox Utility need setting it correctly too?
20:33:51	bluebroth3r	pixelma: setting it isn't needed for the System Info dialog −− it just reads the USB IDs that are present in the system. So even if that Fuze might have an MTP mode (no idea about that) that might even cause the player to show up using a different USB ID the list should at least show a USB ID entry for the player.
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21:00:19	RandomCake	the Hardware Id is USB\VID_0781&PID_74C0&REV_:310
21:01:07	RandomCake	and I'm running Windows 7 bluebroth3r, so perhaps the RockBox installer doesn't support Windows7 as fully as other OSes?
21:01:11	bluebroth3r	that's a fuzev1 in mtp mode.
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21:01:37	bluebroth3r	there shouldn't be a difference for w7. Though it's not really tested on w7
21:01:54	RandomCake	yup, switched it to MTP mode to see if it was more detectable (as the player does more of the work in MTP mode than when it's a mass storage device)
21:02:30	bluebroth3r	I could imagine that MS did changes to SetupApi which could result in the list of devices being empty. Maybe an UAC issue?
21:02:41	*	bluebroth3r should check that later
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21:04:23	RandomCake	nope, it's off
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21:06:36	bluebroth3r	hmm, no idea why the USB ID list is emtpy then.
21:07:40	RandomCake	hmm, switched it back to MSC and not getting a hardwareID from the details tab of the properties window for the device (from device manager)... hmm
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21:20:36	pixelma	tried a different USB port?
21:24:15	CIA-8	New commit by 03alex (r27542): Manual: Correct spelling (US−−>UK) for "centre" in touchscreen keymaps.
21:26:03	CIA-8	r27542 build result: All green
21:28:10	AlexP	Is there any reason that everything is still being built on manual commits? I though it used to be excluded.
21:28:14	AlexP	*thought
21:29:23	bluebroth3r	ok, confirmed that the System Info dialog doesn't show any USB devices on W7.
21:30:21	*	bluebroth3r guesses that it's only a minor difference that cuases this on W7
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21:30:46	bluebroth3r	will try to figure what's going wrong here tomorrow. Unless something keeps me from doing so :)
21:31:14	RandomCake	pixelma: the device was functioning correctly and detected, and I installed RockBox successfully! :D now running it and it's going nicely, works a lot better than on my 2nd Gen iPod Nano :) not a single panic so far ;)
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21:31:22	pixelma	AlexP: it hasn't been excluded anymore since the build system change
21:32:00	AlexP	pixelma: Right, but is there any reason? I can't think of one, especially as manuals aren't built (although it might be useful if they were :))
21:32:11	AlexP	Just an oversight I guess
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21:37:33	pixelma	I believe it was asked about in the beginning but I can't remember the answer. For some reason I think it was something like "building is cheap with these build times, so why should it be excluded" but I can't tell where I'm taking that from
21:38:06	pixelma	maybe someone just didn't want more complication or work, not sure
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