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#rockbox log for 2010-08-06

00:01:10CIA-6r27728 build result: All green
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00:26:52FlynDicekugel: I've almost conquered eclipse(I think...) one more error to overcome line 157 in RockboxService.java , it's coughing on R.drawable.rb saying it can't be resolved. It's offering some suggestions but I'm a bit clueless here... any ideas and/or do you get this error also?
00:27:24kugelFlynDice: is that fresh svn?
00:27:29FlynDiceyes
00:27:36kugelI deleted that resource
00:28:02FlynDicehmmm well it's git svn rebase let me check again
00:28:47kugelinteresting
00:29:59FlynDicewell rebase is telling me R.java needs update now so maybe I've mixed up a few steps...
00:30:18FlynDiceI'll try again here and see what happens
00:31:48CIA-6New commit by 03bieber (r27729): Theme Editor: Implemented resizing in RBMovable subclasses. Implementation is still somewhat crash-prone, but mostly works at this point
00:33:22CIA-6r27729 build result: All green
00:33:42kugelFlynDice: right, I've no idea why it's not an error on my system
00:34:26CIA-6New commit by 03kugel (r27730): Remove faulty reference to inexistent resource.
00:35:57FlynDicekugel: No error anymore on that at least, I don't know how R.java ended up left over there? I'm still getting an "Error generating final archive:null" though. I was hoping that was being caused by the other error.
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00:35:59CIA-6r27730 build result: All green
00:36:29kugelFlynDice: that one is nasty. you need to go into the "problems" tab and delete that errer
00:36:35kugelerror
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00:36:54FlynDicemake not be flagged as an error?
00:36:59FlynDiceer make it
00:37:11kugeljust select it and hit del
00:37:23FlynDiceok
00:38:45FlynDicewell that was easy, I'm just going to start deleting all my errors now! How long's this been going on! ;-)
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00:45:09FlynDicekugel: I see what's happening, When I try to import the rockbox project into eclipse it is altering the R.java file, or creating it maybe?
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00:45:30kugeldunno
00:46:09kugelhave you managed it now?
00:48:24FlynDicewell if I revert it in git I get rid of the error in R.java, If I delete the Error generating.... error it says there's no apk in /bin
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00:52:51FlynDiceWhen I try to export a signed application it says redX " Rockbox/bin/Rockbox.apk does not exist!"
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01:31:22kugelFlynDice: really strange
01:31:43kugelI always just hit run and copy the apk manually from the bin dir
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01:33:27FlynDicewell googling the error has me trying all kinds of things with debug.keystore and I think I'm going to try removing config files next....
01:34:23FlynDiceI installed all this on this machine several years ago to play with it and then got drawn into rockbox....
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01:35:17FlynDiceI think I may have some old crud in the config dirs that's screwing me up here but who knows
01:36:51FlynDiceThat's going to have to wait for tomorrow though
01:37:01kugelFlynDice: I usually delete the error in the problems tab, after that it works
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01:43:07CIA-6New commit by 03kugel (r27731): Cabbiev2 320x480 touchscreen support.
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01:44:44CIA-6r27731 build result: All green
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02:01:51kugelany chance we can get a minimum line height in the menus for touchscreen targets?
02:02:10kugelI would actually like smaller font but will be too small for most thumbs
02:02:15JdGordon|usual answer
02:02:20JdGordon|someone just needs to do the work
02:02:34JdGordon|linking the viewport line height to a different number than the font height shuold be doable
02:03:03JdGordon|drawing the text will be a bit more annoying though
02:03:08JdGordon|need to vertically center it
02:03:13kugelit should only apply in lists IMO, maybe we hook into the lists instead
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02:03:30JdGordon|that will be alot harder
02:05:45kugelI'm not so sure
02:05:48pixelmachose a different default font and using a different font in the WPS might be a lot easie. The one problem I can see there is inclusion of said font
02:06:38kugelwell, I had a shit lot of trouble the other day with sysfont and absolute mode
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02:07:40pixelmaI don't mean sysfont actually. Just a different default font and some WPS which sets a second font
02:08:14kugelwith these huge font everything looks a bit crowded anyway, I find a small clearance between the lines would look nicer too
02:08:50kugelpixelma: I know, I meant I accidentally got sysfont and it was really troublesome to pick a normal font again
02:09:01pixelmathat depends on the font. It can include more spacing
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02:18:17JdGordon|well there are a few problems
02:18:33JdGordon|if we make the list draw to a set x/y pixel the line cant scroll
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02:18:48JdGordon|and if we use the lcd driver to set the line height it will happen everywhere
02:20:37kugelah, that stupid scrolling engine :/
02:21:20kugelit's always limiting
02:21:38JdGordon|because I have the skin system on my brain, the idea I've been playing with in my head is setting up a viewport in the sbs which the list uses for each item
02:21:53JdGordon|but I just realised that wont make scrolling work either without some help
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02:23:02JdGordon|that would also allow people to do grid style lists for touch screens!
02:23:04kugelI thought sbs can set up the list viewport already?
02:23:21JdGordon|yeah, but I'm talking about the skin each list item uses
02:23:27JdGordon|sort of like the playlist viewer in the wps
02:23:37kugelthis grids are only useful for few lists
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02:23:45kugelnot generally
02:25:59kugelhm, somehow my volume touch region doesn't use the full width
02:26:29JdGordon|can we disable volume changing from in rockbox? just leave that to the os?
02:28:12kugelfor what reason?
02:31:03JdGordon|well, no real reason I guess, just that accidentaly changing the rockbox volume sucks
02:31:15JdGordon|leave that on 0 and use the hardware buttons for volume control
02:34:51*kugel blames integer division
02:36:35S_a_i_n_tRegarding the font, is spacing between the lines the issue? Or am I missing something? Convbdf can be used to set that with relative ease.
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02:37:32kugelit is an issue if you need to navigate with the thumb through 8px heigh list items
02:38:44JdGordon|unless you have a stylus that works with the capacative touchscreen
02:39:41CIA-6New commit by 03kugel (r27732): Fix conditiona viewports logic
02:40:02S_a_i_n_twell, it's easy to fix.
02:40:27S_a_i_n_ta PITA to do it for each font, but, easy enough to fix.
02:41:18CIA-6r27732 build result: All green
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02:42:10JdGordon|hardly an ideal fix
02:42:19JdGordon|fonts are supposed to be target independant
02:42:45JdGordon|we can probably add a lineheight option to the viewport struct so it would only be used when needed
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02:44:34*S_a_i_n_t wonders about http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=25435.msg170183#msg170183 ...new parser thing?
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02:53:04CIA-6New commit by 03kugel (r27733): Fix launcher icon (once more).
02:53:29kugelFlynDice: ^ might have resolved your issues
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02:54:36CIA-6r27733 build result: All green
02:56:51kugelSome recent screenshots: http://imagebin.org/108278 http://imagebin.org/108279 http://imagebin.org/108280
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03:01:21kugelnew 480x800 build: http://www.alice-dsl.net/simonemartitz/rockbox/Rockbox-480x800.apk
03:02:58kugelnew 320x480 build: http://www.alice-dsl.net/simonemartitz/rockbox/Rockbox.apk
03:06:48pixelmathe animation in DancePuffDuo looks way to slow in a recent M5 build (subline timeouts are 0.2s each but look like 2s)
03:07:00pixelmas/to/too
03:07:57pixelmaand r27726 to be precise
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03:08:10JdGordon|does it really have to unzip the libmisc every install?
03:08:21kugelJdGordon|: only if it's newer
03:08:35kugelif you only cp librockbox.so over then not
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03:09:05JdGordon|eek... it loded my config but not the fonts, ive now got stylus mode with sysfont!
03:09:39kugelyou're better off deleting config.cfg with some other app...
03:09:53JdGordon|yep, doing
03:10:03kugelI guess the previus build was pre-r27720
03:11:02JdGordon|what should the font line look like?
03:11:08JdGordon|/.rockbox/fonts/font.fnt right?
03:11:23kugelbetter delete the line :)
03:11:33kugelyou can look how it's supposed to be after
03:11:57kugelIIRC it needs to be something like /data/data/org.rockbox/app_rockbox/rockbox/font.fnt
03:12:21JdGordon|hehe and we need to FC rockbox or it wont take effect :/
03:15:45kugelany reason you asked for the equalizer? I'll just assume you know it totally doesn't work in absolute mode? :)
03:16:21JdGordon|because I was looking at patches last night and saw the eq has a patch for that
03:23:05kugelS_a_i_n_t: are you going to do the icons?
03:29:02JdGordon|I wonder if we should make it easier for new sizes by doing more defaults for font sizes and stuff?
03:33:50kugelI don't think so
03:34:15kugelI mean, the defaults don't make it hard, cabbie does :)
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04:18:20cpnfantstkWant to install RB on Clip V1 but want to maintain DRM capabilities with the original OF. Does newer builds of Clip V1 keep the DRM capabilities of the OF? Thanks.
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05:19:42S_a_i_n_tJdGordon: I was planning on it, yes.
05:19:51S_a_i_n_tI'll probably start them later tonight.
05:20:23S_a_i_n_tI can't help but think how much easier all the skinning/UI stuff would be if Rockbox had support for SVG
05:20:43S_a_i_n_tthen we could just have one of everything, and resize it at build time.
05:21:14S_a_i_n_tHmmmm, I guess RB doesn't actually need to support SVG, it could be resized and exported to bitmap.
05:22:52S_a_i_n_ttarget config tells the build what size it needs, SVGs get resized and exported to bitmap, included in the build...done. (possibly dreaming, but shit it would be nice...)
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05:31:29JdGordSvg in the build might be overkill but a script to create the bmps from s svg would be very useful
05:33:24S_a_i_n_tYes, I just thought after that that it needed actually be in core...that way we could get rid of "cabbie-XXXxYYYxZZ" and just have "cabbie.svg"
05:33:46S_a_i_n_tprobably wouldn't work for greyscale though, well...I'm not sure there actually.
05:34:33JdGordWe can always use imagemagic to convert to grey
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06:02:35Dhraakellianso I just bought a Nokia N900 off ebay the other day
06:02:52Dhraakellianwondering how to run Rockbox on it when it arrives
06:03:06Dhraakellianuse a touchscreen target's simulator?
06:03:31Dhraakelliansince RaaA is targetting Java/Android?
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07:34:03CIA-6New commit by 03bieber (r27734): Theme Editor: Made SBS elements in WPS documents non-interactive, which makes it a little more difficult to crash the editor
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07:37:07S_a_i_n_tbieber: "non-interactive"?
07:37:19bieberYeah
07:37:51bieberUp until now, if you had a WPS document that was also rendering elements from the SBS, you could grab and move/resize those elements
07:38:34S_a_i_n_tI'm not sure I understand how a WPS can render elements from an SBS
07:38:40bieberProblem is, that SBS rendering is kind of shoe-horned in, and editing those objects was screwing things up and segfaulting from time to time, and it really doesn't make sense to be able to change elements that aren't part of the current document anyways
07:39:06bieberThe SBS is the base of all skin documents, unless there's a %wd in there
07:41:46S_a_i_n_tright, yesh...I forget that sometimes, I always just use the .sbs to do what the fms wps rwps etc can't.
07:41:58S_a_i_n_tI forget it's possible to make an .sbs only theme.
07:42:19S_a_i_n_tIt would be interesting to try that actually...
07:42:39bieberThat would be interesting
07:43:26S_a_i_n_tIn theory its possible, but you'd be confined to one backdrop.
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09:52:52pixelmaI doubt SVGs and automatic scaling to different resolutions and bit depths would be helpful. At least on greyscale and monochrome you get bad results (see the tango icons or early cabbiev2 tries), on colour you probably get a problem with the magic magenta transparent areas
09:53:22CIA-6New commit by 03bieber (r27735): Theme Editor: Made progress bar display correctly when resized, fixed some segfaults caused by editing SBS elements from a WPS document and then ...
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10:01:09CIA-6New commit by 03bieber (r27736): Theme Editor: Made default viewport non-interactive in skin preview. Selecting and resizing the default viewport was causing lockups and segfaults
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10:09:07S_a_i_n_tpixelma: The idea what nice...but, now I think of it those are indeed valis points.
10:09:13S_a_i_n_t*valid
10:09:34S_a_i_n_tI forgot about the transparencies.
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11:03:14S_a_i_n_tDoes the themesite keep count of themes downloaded by rbutil?
11:03:54S_a_i_n_tOr is it solely downloads via the themesite itself?
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12:27:14sasquatchi just tried to install rockbox stable and current on e280... either i dont understand the menu or "down" doesnt work...
12:27:35sasquatchwith original firmware all keys seem ok
12:29:25pixelmawhat do you think "down" does? The keymaps will differ from the OF as there is other functionality too
12:29:58sasquatchin the main menu i cant go to settings
12:30:10sasquatchalways the 1st point is selected
12:30:25pixelmaand what does turning the wheel do?
12:30:27sasquatchFiles
12:32:15sasquatch(o)
12:32:24sasquatch:-D
12:32:53sasquatchi expected the "down" key to do this function
12:32:57sasquatchsorry
12:33:17pixelmayou may want to read our manual a bit... http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-sansae200/rockbox-build.html (there's also a PDF version available if you prefer that)
12:33:54sasquatchi always have problems with devices with less than 85 keys
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13:29:41pixelmathere is some weirdness going on with the Iaudio remote WPSs as far as I can tell from an X5 sim. (1) the cabbiev2.rwps doesn't load and just shows an the built-in one but there is no error message. (2) the rwps only updates in certain cases except the track length and played time which updates correctly - the only way to make e.g. current title and artist etc. update is stop playback and resume, after that title etc. won't update anymore
13:38:56S_a_i_n_tpixelma: Have you tried sims for any other remote targets (are there any even? I have no idea)...is it just that one, or are all remotes affected?
13:43:25pixelmahaven't tried any other lcd remote targets yet. Sure there are others - the M5 uses the same remote and the Iaudio M3 also but the latter treats it as main screen. The Iriver H100 and H300 have lcd remotes too, also the M:Robes but I'm not sure if the latter are simulated yet.
13:44:13pixelmaunfortunately I don't have the remote to test on my M5
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13:53:39dockimblei have a sansa clip+ that i cannot install the bootloader on
13:53:47dockimblei need help
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13:56:51pixelmaI think you need a new enough Rockbox Utility but that's all I know. Maybe hang around a bit until someone is here who can tell more
13:57:26pixelman1s: do you have an lcd remote for your H300?
13:57:32n1snope
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14:05:19dockimblei've used the utility and manual install
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14:08:33dockimblei have a sansa clip+ that i cannot install the bootloader on
14:08:35dockimblei've used the utility and manual install
14:08:36dockimblei need help
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14:19:34dockimblei hope this works
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15:02:18giovanni__hello
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15:03:14giovanni__about those bugs I've spoken here about 2 days ago, they seems to be related to the theme I was testing and to the config.cfg file
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15:05:29giovanni__one thing I'd would like to have for the wps, is a new skin tag to enable/disable the internal speaker for the vx777 and vx747, could someone please help me building it?
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15:10:26FlynDiceKugel:(logs) Seems all my eclipse problems were due to an old installation of eclipse & android SDK. Fresh installs of both on my laptop produce a rockbox.apk just fine!
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15:53:04kugelFlynDice: cool, I also made a commit tonight which fixed R.java
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15:58:43giovanni__pixelma hi
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16:00:11pixelmaprobably the commit to exclude RGB values in %Vf/Vb on greyscale screens causes problems on the X5 - now WPSs with those values are excluded even on the main screen which is colour. A nice hint is given by the theme site, the X5 should have the same amount of themes as the 20GB H10 but has even less than the 160x128 greyscale targets
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16:07:53pixelmathe two that are less would be correct as those are ones that set grey shades in %Vf/b
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16:13:53pixelmaS_a_i_n_t: fwiw, the cabbiev2.wps itself is ok, it works correctly as a main screen WPS in an M3 sim
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16:25:25pixelmatrying an H300 sim next
16:25:51pixelmagiovanni__: lo ;) what was so special about the theme you tried, do you know?
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16:54:36pamauryyes that's what I thought. Any thought on how to handle the formatting of the file ? Under linux that be done with a mix of fdisk/loopback/mkfs.vfat I think but under windows I don't how it could be done
16:54:45kugelpamaury: I think simulating this would only makes sense if it doesn't introduce a lot of extra code which doesn't run on target
16:55:00pamaurykugel: no extra code on target
16:55:23kugelright, the extra code is not on target
16:55:31kugelthat's what I mean
16:55:50kugelwe want to simulate code which runs on target, hence we should keep the non-target code at a minimum
16:55:53pamauryit's mostly a matter of #ifdef hell and implementing the right functions, it adds no code unless for compile support for it
16:56:32kugelso it would be disabled by default?
16:57:42pamauryFor now there are two majors changes: 1) the init() of hosted target gets more complicated (more like the target one) 2) implemente {sd,ata,mmc}_* functions. I think so yes. My code depends on an extra define ROCKBOX_SIMULATE_STORAGE_LAYER which would be disabled by default
16:57:46gevaertsI'd imagine it mainly being a file-backed storage driver (similar to my loopback patch, except it would use host IO functions of course), and preprocessor logic to make it use that and not the host filesystem
16:58:46kugelit also shouldn't make the sim a pain to work with (e.g. for themers)
16:59:14gevaertsThat's why it would include samba.rock :)
16:59:16*gevaerts runs
16:59:31*pamaury kills the running gevaerts
16:59:55*gevaerts happens to be blocked on stuck IO, so he can't be killed
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17:00:33pamaurywhen running from a file as storage, it makes it more difficult to update the content of the disk, because you need to mount the file, make the changes, unmount,... Except if you compile usb simulation in and simulate usb device to update the simulated hard disk of the simulated device :)
17:01:14pamaurycurrent code: http://pastebin.com/tL4r0YqF
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17:02:51pamaurykugel: you are the one changed most thing for the sim recently so tell me if you strange things related to the #define or other
17:02:56pamaury*who
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17:04:15kugelpamaury: uisimulator/common/io.c is the key file for file i/o on hosted platforms
17:04:34kugelit's not terribly complicated so I guess you find your way
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17:05:34pamauryyes but it's more complicated than I need, I just need to be able to read a single file, so open should be sufficient ? Or I can move the common defines to a file. Most of io.c is useless for file as storage
17:06:51giovanni__pixelma: the theme I was using is something i'm working on
17:08:05kugelpamaury: I guess you don't want io.c at all but a new driver-like file and then compile firmware/common/file.c
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17:08:26pamaurythat's what I do
17:08:59kugelI'm not sure how I can help you :)
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17:18:39pixelmaS_a_i_n_t: on H300, the cabbiev2.rwps appears but has the update problem too
17:18:52pixelma(in an H300 sim)
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18:16:56pixelmais someone with a target with lcd remote around who could test updating of the RWPS in a current build (won't take long I guess)?
18:17:28pixelmaI mean someone who also has an lcd remote for it
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18:34:16YaTomatWho can give me working firmware for ipod 2g?
18:34:35Torneour website, presumably
18:34:45Torneunless you mean the original firmware, in which case "itunes" or felixbruns.de
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18:35:06YaTomatThis one don't work on my ipod, it's unstable
18:35:36YaTomatIpod is nano 2g
18:35:56Torneyou will note that it explciitly says that the nano 2g port is unstable on the front page
18:36:07Tornewhat problems are you having?
18:36:43YaTomatI know, it says *PANIC* Stkov nand" on some menus
18:37:25Torneand then does it work when you reset, or do you have to restore it?
18:37:27YaTomatAnd it's on white screen
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18:38:12YaTomatI am resetting and this happens again
18:40:15Tornewell, i don't know a great deal about the problems on the nano2g, i'm afraid
18:40:24YaTomatbad
18:40:25Tornebut there's no "working firmware" you can be given
18:40:31YaTomati know
18:40:35Tornethe latest release is the best-working version :)
18:40:39Torneer, the latest current build, even
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18:40:43Tornenot the release, which is quite old now
18:41:16Torneif you have specific reproducable problems it'd be good to post them on the forums or on flyspray to see if nayone can find a source, but if it's just random then i'm not sure how much use that would be
18:48:40pixelmaI'm sure I read about a problem on the 2nd gen Nanos in current builds
18:49:04YaTomatAnd how to load songs on ipod not randomly, but on folders? Never owned a ipod.
18:50:14DreamxtremeLL
18:50:17DreamxtremeLOL
18:50:23Dreamxtremei want rockbox on my classic 1G!
18:50:33Dreamxtremenanos sucks for disk space
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18:52:18pixelmaDreamxtreme: what does that have to do with anything currently - and could you stop your "lol" thing?
18:53:14Dreamxtremei only said it once
18:54:37YaTomatWhere is the directory, where ipod keeps music? Is it hidden?
18:55:23TorneYaTomat: itunes puts it in a subfolder under ipod_data
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18:55:29Torneyou can just put your files anywher eyou like
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18:55:32Tornerockbox doesn't care where they are
18:55:48pixelmaYaTomat: Rockbox can read and play the files if you just copy them over just like on any other storage device. However, if you also want to listen to them with the original firmware then you have to copy them over with iTunes or similar. In this case they will be put in oa random directory structure but if they are well tagged you can find them listed correctly if the database is enabled
18:56:07YaTomatbut rockbox don't work on my ipod
18:56:32YaTomatoh, so fast
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18:56:57DreamxtremeBTW
18:57:33YaTomatI thought this is not working folder
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19:06:46ChrononI posted a trivial patch at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11522 to allow Rockbox to open .l configurations with Rocklife. The file format is equivalent to supported .cells files, so the patch only adds a line to viewers.config.
19:20:02YaTomatwhat is rocklife?
19:21:15pamauryrockbox game of like ?
19:21:18pamaurylife
19:23:37ChrononIt's a plugin/viewer for Conway's game of life.
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20:00:34ignitionnightHelp! I accidentally selected a theme that my iriver ihp120 cannot display properly, now its virtually unusable.... How can I revert to the standard theme or completely reset the device and start over?
20:02:57bertrikI think you can remove (or rename) the file config.cfg in the .rockbox directory to reset the configuration
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20:03:29bertrikThere's probably also a key you can hold during boot that reset settings, this is probably described in the manual
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20:06:12ignitionnightthanks bertrik! I appreciate it!
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20:56:20Temiklibdl does not exist in bsd
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21:00:16midijunkieheya, i want to build the android app, someone out there to help? "bin/sh: build/prebuild........./arm-eabi-gcc: not found"
21:00:46midijunkieit is in the android ndk but im not a shell pro, someone?
21:01:07TemikIn bsd exist libltdl. In tools/configure necessary replace LDOPTS="$LDOPTS -ldl" => LDOPTS="$LDOPTS -lltdl"
21:02:39simonrvnmidijunkie: you need to build the toolchain
21:04:21midijunkieok, i have no clue
21:04:53simonrvnthat's what rockboxdev.sh is for
21:05:06simonrvnsee the wiki and docs
21:05:19midijunkieyeah, i already did that
21:05:32midijunkiei can build rbx for my sansa without problems
21:05:43midijunkieonly the android app doesnt work
21:05:59midijunkieand its both arm-eabi, isnt it
21:06:20Tornemidijunkie: no
21:06:27Tornesimonrvn: you're wrong I'm afraid ;)
21:06:46Tornewell, it's an arm eabi config, but i don't think the prefix is the same
21:07:02Tornethe android build doesn't use our toolchain, it uses the one from the NDK
21:07:22simonrvnoh, ok
21:07:45Tornemidijunkie: have you done what the android readme says, set ANDROID_NDK_PATH?
21:07:46simonrvnthank you for the correction
21:07:48Tornedid configure complain?
21:09:09Torneit sounds like you don'thave that environment variable set
21:09:18Torneconfigure is looking for $ANDROID_NDK_PATH/build/prebuilt/linux-x86/arm-eabi-$gccchoice/bin/arm-eabi-
21:09:19midijunkieno, i started with rbx, got the ndk but didnt know how carry on
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21:09:32Tornemidijunkie: i mean, the README int he android directory in Rockbox
21:09:37Tornewhich tells you how to buiuld for android
21:09:42midijunkiehm, no, didnt see that one
21:09:51Tornehttp://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/android/README?revision=27718&view=markup
21:10:18midijunkieokay, thx, thats a good point to start
21:12:08midijunkiei see, lots of fun :>
21:13:12TheSeven[21:02] TheSeven wonders if it's possible to rework the rockbox file system code in such a way, that:
21:13:12TheSeven[21:02] <TheSeven> - it doesn't do unaligned storage accesses
21:13:12TheSeven[21:02] <TheSeven> - has an unlimited number of open files (struct space provided by caller)
21:13:12DBUGEnqueued KICK TheSeven
21:13:12TheSeven[21:02] <TheSeven> - the only static buffers are the fat cache
21:13:12TheSeven[21:02] <TheSeven> - it never places sector buffers on the stack
21:13:13***Alert Mode level 1
21:13:13TheSeven[21:06] <TheSeven> i agree that we need a single sector buffer per file or directory, and the lfn buffer for directories. but do we really need the other buffers?
21:14:25gevaertsTheSeven: wouldn't tat actually increase the number of buffers?
21:15:17TheSeveni'm not sure about that. having a pool might allow some overcommitment, but i'm caring more about the other points
21:15:58gevaertsIf you have a pool, I don't see the point of putting the file data at the caller side
21:16:26TheSeveni didn't say that
21:16:45midijunkiethere is nobody who got the rockbox.apk for a 800*480 screen?
21:16:48TheSevenactually what bugs me most are those on-stack buffers
21:17:40gevaertsYes, I suspected that :). Getting rid of that is worth some effort, but I think the other points don't give any advantage
21:19:08TheSevenwell, the other points (besides the unlimited number of files one) are probably met automatically if we kill the on-stack buffers
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21:20:26gevaertshm, I hadn't paid attention to the unaligned accesses bit. I don't object to that one either
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21:20:40TheSevenfor example, i would assume that the fsinfo sector will only be written to when the data in the file's sector buffer can be discarded
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21:21:04Torneit depends hwat you mean by unaligned
21:21:10gevaertsTrue
21:21:11TheSevennot cacheline aligned
21:21:16Tornedo you mean not word aligned, or not aligned to STORAGE_ALIGN_MASK
21:21:17Torneright
21:21:27Tornewell, *reducing* that was on my todo list
21:21:37Tornebut i don't think you can eliminate it without introducing new buffers :)
21:21:48Tornebecause application code can do reads/writes from anywhere
21:22:07TheSevenok, but that only applies to huge write-throughs at least
21:22:14Torneit does?
21:22:19Torneit applies to any read/write of >=512 bytes
21:22:22Tornewell, sector size
21:22:41Tornewell, any sector aligned read of at least a sector
21:22:51Tornewhich happens a lot if you load a file into ram
21:22:55Torne(entire)
21:23:01TheSevenwhoever writes such an amount of data should be able to afford aligning it
21:23:14***Alert Mode OFF
21:23:20Tornesure, and i was intending to go through plugin/app code to put the appropriate align stuff on there
21:23:24TheSevenbut in the end, that's an apps-layer issue, i'm wondering more about the ones that are coming from the core
21:23:26Tornebuti don't think you can reasonably *require* it
21:23:35TheSevenand i think we should be able to get rid of the latter
21:23:52Torneoh, you mean the things in fat.c itself?
21:23:58Torneyeah, i was gonna do that, just haven't gotten around to it yet
21:24:05Tornewas kinda hoping somoene else would do it before i got around to it ;0
21:24:07TheSevenfat.c, dir.c, disk.c and whereever they are hiding
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21:24:28Tornei only used dreamlayers' patch to do it for buffering.c
21:24:32Tornebecause he'd already written it ;)
21:24:46FlynDicemidijunkie: Did you get your android build sorted out?
21:24:52Tornei guess it's more pressing for you
21:25:05Tornesince dma is just a performance improvement on pp502x (and a pretty minor one in most cases at that)
21:25:42TheSevencurrently the nand driver will copy those around, so it's also just a performance issue, and non-usb disk performance isn't really that important
21:26:02Tornewell yes, but that's a different class of performance ;)
21:26:16Tornefor small accesses when the cpu is idle there is literally no difference using dma on pp502x
21:26:19TheSevenit's still pretty fast compared to the actual flash access
21:26:29Torneonly huge reads from buffering really benefit
21:26:39midijunkieFlynDice: No, not enough space on my wubi-ubuntu-installation on my netbook. rbx, sdk, nbk is too much :>
21:26:54TheSevenhowever I'm gonna cherrypick a bunch of code again for my new tool kernel, and i want to do it the right way from the start over there
21:26:59midijunkie+ all the tools
21:27:25Tornewell, at some point i may poke them
21:27:33Tornebut i'vebeen too busy to do any rb dev lately
21:27:33FlynDicetoo bad... I guess I can't help then...
21:27:59midijunkieand i would need to install eclipse~ smallest ide in the world
21:28:12midijunkieso, im going to wait
21:28:14TheSevenmidijunkie: VS is significantly larger
21:28:30midijunkieim not that into it :>
21:28:50TheSeventhat's like 10GB on disk, eclipse is really small compared to it :)
21:29:04FlynDicekugel has been posting .apk files so if you check the logs you can probably find one that will work for you.
21:29:11TheSevenTorne: and if i'm cleaning up that anyway, we should be able to apply those fixes also to rockbox
21:29:25Tornesounds like it'd be easier to do them first :)
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21:29:44*Torne shrugs
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21:30:26TheSevenIIUC all accesses to the bpb and directories could be made through the file sector buffer instead of an additional one
21:30:28midijunkiekk - btw the rbx dev image ... cant svn checkout ... timeout on svn.rockbox.org but ping works
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21:30:39TheSevenso we wouldn't even need more static buffers or a sector pool for it
21:30:46Tornemidijunkie: are you behind a proxy or similar?
21:31:03Tornethe svn protocol uses a port that proxies often won't allow
21:31:54Torneit responds for me, so it's not down
21:32:28midijunkiesvn works well on the same machine in windows.
21:32:46Torneoh.
21:33:02midijunkiebut not in windows with the vm
21:33:14midijunkiemaybe some windows-firewall-joke
21:33:29TheSevenhow is the vm's networking configured? nat? bridged?
21:33:34midijunkienat
21:33:36Tornei would assume it worked for whoever created the vm
21:33:43Tornesince otherwise they would've noticed :)
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21:34:04midijunkieyeah, a few months ago it worked for me
21:34:15TheSevenhave a look what the default gateway inside the vm is and if you can ping that
21:34:41TheSevenwait - you said pinging svn.rockbox.org from inside the vm works?
21:34:46midijunkieyes
21:34:48TheSeventhat would be really weird.
21:34:57midijunkiea friend got the same problem
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21:35:15Tornei can only assume the host os is doing something stupid tbh :0
21:35:39midijunkie7 ~
21:35:42TheSeventry bridged then
21:35:58TheSeventhe host has less influence on that
21:36:17midijunkiebut even with a working vm i would need to install the android sdk/ndk
21:36:23midijunkieand configure it all
21:36:32midijunkiei think, im going to wait :)
21:36:51TheSevenoh, and check your environment variables and svn settings if it tries to use a proxy
21:37:21TheSevenping would probably bypass that, so a nonexistant proxy could be the cause
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21:59:29cdHello I try to start any music on RaaA (Galaxy S) but get an error: error accessing playlist control file. Anybody able to help?
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22:02:52JohnMLI just want to say a BIG THANKYOU for rockbox !!! I just installed it on my Sandisk Sansaclip V2, works great !!
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22:06:59CIA-6New commit by 03bieber (r27737): Theme Editor: Restricted resizing/moving of graphical elements to integer coordinates
22:08:49CIA-6r27737 build result: All green
22:13:16*pixelma still looks around for testers with an lcd remote + target
22:16:02TemikNot working tags %Vb and %Vf, calling default wps
22:19:53pixelmayes, on the X5. It seems to have to do with the fact that the X5 can have %Vb and %Vf on target and remote but the depending on the screen, the following number is different - main screen is colour and needs a hexadecimal value, remote screen is greyscale and needs a single digit in the range 0-3 for a grey shade.
22:20:51pixelmaWhy I think it has to do with the different values is because this seems to work on the M5 which is like the X5 but also has a greyscale main screen
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22:21:09pixelma(tested in the simulator only though as I don't have a remote)
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22:55:27CIA-6r27738 build result: All green
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