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#rockbox log for 2010-08-18

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00:53:34bsod1can I install rockbox to ipod video 160gb?
00:55:01evilnick_Bbsod1: Probably not, unless that iPod Video is 5th or 5.5th generation
00:55:31evilnick_BBut those weren't released with 160GB hard drives, so unless the HDD has been upgraded then no
00:55:46bsod1dammit
00:56:14evilnick_Bbsod1: Try this page to check which one you have: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1353
00:56:21bsod1are there a work for 160gb models? or should I look for another firmware?
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00:57:16evilnick_BAFAIK there's no substantial work on a port of Rockbox, and so probably no other alternate firmwares.
00:57:26FTMichaelI don't use Rockbox but I'm looking for help with my iRiver. #iriver doesn't seem to exist; is there another channel? I've already posted to the forum at misticriver.net.
00:58:06evilnick_BFTMichael: You could try #rockbox-community (bearing in mind that most EU people are asleep)
00:59:36FTMichaelThanks evilnick_B
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01:28:04[AndrewR]hi, I want to make a plugin, and I have the simulator working
01:28:14[AndrewR]except I can't seem to quit it without kill -s 9
01:28:27JdGordon|yeah, the sim is a bit finiky
01:28:35JdGordon|or do you mean quit your plugin?
01:28:38[AndrewR]should holding the menu simulator button turn it off, like the real life rockbox?
01:28:44[AndrewR]I mean quit the simulator itself
01:28:59[AndrewR]after I make changes and compile, I want to reload the simulator
01:29:23JdGordon|run it in gdb :)
01:29:50[AndrewR]ah
01:30:13[AndrewR]that gives an easy quit command I guess?
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01:30:52JdGordon|depends if you think typing q is easier than force killing it :)
01:31:03JdGordon|also when it crashes you are in the debugger already
01:31:04[AndrewR]yeah, I just tried it, definitely is easier
01:31:23[AndrewR]I want to make an app to track workouts
01:31:28[AndrewR]#sets, reps etc
01:31:45[AndrewR]so while you're in the gym you actually follow the app
01:31:56[AndrewR]I didn't see anything like that already
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01:50:42Broam[AndrewR]: as long as you document the file format...go for it ;)
01:56:23CIA-88New commit by 03theseven (r27841): Fix two rather annoying Nano2G FTL bugs: 1. Fix a null pointer dereference/write, 2. Make sure all error return codes are negative.
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01:58:29CIA-88r27841 build result: All green
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02:09:10kugel"if (entry != (struct ftl_log_type*)0)", I guess entry != NULL or even !entry isn't good enough? :)
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02:24:04TheSeven!= NULL complains about a comparison to a wrong pointer type
02:24:10TheSeven!entry might work though
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02:24:29TheSevenhowever, that kind of thing is all over the place in that file
02:24:40TheSevenfeel free to fix them :)
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02:43:38kugelTheSeven: it really warns?
02:43:52TheSevenat least it did back when i wrote that
02:44:13TheSevenas you can easily see, /me was a C newbie these days :)
02:44:27kugelthat never ever happened to me, because NULL is defined as void* (and you can safely cast back and forth to void* as per standard)
02:44:57kugelmaybe your NULL was different back then?
02:44:57TheSevenhm, interesting
02:45:05TheSevencould be possible
02:45:14TheSeveni'll try to get rid of those when I touch it the next time
02:47:04kugelhm, the signing thing of the .apk will probably be a PITA to work with
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02:48:24TheSevengcc keeps complaining about void in odd ways though. for example: why isn't it allowed to declare a symbol, e.g. "__end_of_code" in a linker script, declare "extern void __end_of_code;" in a C file, and pass &__end_of_code to something that takes void*? it complains that i'm using a void value, which i'm apparently NOT doing, I'm just using its address
02:48:50TheSevendeclaring it as a dummy int works just fine, but is rather misleading
02:50:16kugelTheSeven: I thought you declare linker symbols as [] in the C files?
02:50:35kugele.g. extern char __end_of_code[];
02:51:07kugelvoid won't work of course, because it's void :)
02:52:16kugelthere's no such thing like void variables, and gcc doesn't know it comes from the linker during compilation
02:52:50*TheSeven throws a rock at gcc for being stupid and goes back to hunting an on-stack sector buffer, which tries to hide from him
02:53:42kugelit's not stupid in this case
02:53:51TheSevenbut not very clever either
02:54:24kugelyou won't get this to work in any compiler
02:54:49kugelvoid is no datatype (void* is but you cannot dereference it)
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02:55:50kugelsame reason why compilers complain about return keywords in void functions
02:56:50kugelrefering to linker symbols as (empty) arrays really matches their nature best
02:57:20TheSevenam i dereferencing it? i don't think so.
02:58:07TheSevenactually i'm declaring it as void* to *prevent* accidentally dereferencing it
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02:58:34kugelI'm saying that void is not a valid datatype. I.e. you cannot derefence void* because void is nothing, and you cannot make variables of the type void
02:59:08TheSevenit didn't complain about the declaration of the void variable though, only about the reference to it
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03:00:34*TheSeven wonders how to track down that sector buffer
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03:01:31kugelTheSeven: "test.c:12: error: variable or field ‘foo’ declared void"
03:02:04kugelthat's just from the line int main() { void foo;}
03:02:37TheSevenhm, mine at least accepted "extern void whatever;" outside of a function
03:03:07TheSeven(with the yagarto toolchain, arm-none-eabi-gcc, fwiw)
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03:28:04[AndrewR]Is there a library I can use for simple GUI things like lists, buttons etc?
03:28:10[AndrewR]or are those usually custom made
03:29:15[AndrewR]or similarly a library I can use for storing and retrieving data?
03:30:52JdGordon|apps/plugins/lib has the second
03:30:59JdGordon|apps/plugins.h has the first
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03:32:12JdGordon|http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/HowtoWritePlugins
03:32:26JdGordon|http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/Main/ListWidget
03:32:31JdGordon|http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/Main/UsingTheMenuAPI
03:32:38JdGordon|http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/DocsIndex
03:41:00[AndrewR]the list widget looks like what I'm looking for
03:41:06[AndrewR]thanks
03:42:31[AndrewR]so will the menu API make a menu that looks and behaves like the default menu rockbox starts up with?
03:46:09[AndrewR]for storing and retrieving data, is there any sort of relational database like sqlite?
03:52:12JdGordon|yes, no
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04:43:21leBMDHey guys.
04:45:14leBMDSo, rockbox officially saved me from going insane over the weekend, though there was one problem: my album art wasn't showing up.
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04:48:21JdGordon|that's certainly a shame
04:48:32JdGordon|insane in a much more fun way to be!
04:48:38leBMDlol.
04:48:54leBMDMaybe it has something to do with the fact that my music was on before rockbox was on.
04:49:24JdGordon|did you follow our album art guide?
04:49:59leBMDthere's a guide?
04:50:39JdGordon|probably in the manual actually
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04:51:13leBMDoh, ok
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04:52:21leBMDoh, I see!
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04:59:24froggymanwhy can rockbox bundle the codecs with its builds, but most players on linux require you download a codec package separately?
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05:00:20JdGordon|because of the possible patent issues I think
05:10:27leBMDactually, it's because codecs aren't GNU, and most linux distros only bundle GNU programs.
05:10:53leBMDI got album art, and it flashes in the area when I load up a song from that album, but then it goes away. Am I doing it wrong?
05:12:38mc2739which device and what theme are you using?
05:16:05leBMDI'm using a fuze v2 and right now I'm using art_fuzev2
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05:19:27leBMDI put it in /.rockbox/albumart and saved it as Basshunter-Now You're Gone_ The Album.jpg
05:21:17leBMDwell, actually G:\.rockbox\albumart
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05:23:26JdGordon|and is that the extact name?
05:23:41JdGordon|it is easier to just put it as folder.jpg in the folder with the music
05:24:44leBMDSadly, I can't do that, because my album is in the OF, and I can't seem to access folders from that in MSC mode.
05:24:59leBMDthen again, I could just open it not in msc mode, and then put the art in there...
05:28:39leBMDhmmm, it still just flashes...
05:29:30leBMDmaybe the file is too large?
05:30:16leBMDeh, whatever, Ill do it later, or maybe I'll just forget it. Album art isn't a big issue with me, especially if I use something like the cassette theme.
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05:32:15leBMDoh wow, I guess I won't fix it soon, 'cause I just did the one thing I thought I wouldn't do, and now I have to wait like three days for my mp3 player to turn off. XD
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07:06:02S_a_i_n_tbluebrother: Thanks for your wiki-efforts...I know what I have to do, and despite everything *seeming* correct....QT just hates me :/
07:06:10S_a_i_n_tAnd I, in turn, hate it ;)
07:07:04S_a_i_n_tI shall have a look to see if there is something *really* obvious I'm missing, but I've spent quite a lot of time looking into it...and despite the fact it *should* work, it just decides to not do as its told.
07:07:21S_a_i_n_tI will perhaps start from scratch for the millionth time thoguh.
07:07:27S_a_i_n_t*though
07:08:39kaiscenesince r27821 (changes to %pb WPS tag), an image drawn below of the progress bar is not showing up. I have to reload the theme for the image to show up like it did prior to this release
07:10:30kaisceneexample: %x(a,pbbackground.bmp,32,0) \n %pb(32,0,66,6,pb.bmp) pbbackground.bmp doesn't show, but the progressbar does
07:10:45S_a_i_n_tpastebin the code...that's a bit vague.
07:10:54S_a_i_n_tyou'll probably want to just put the progressbar in a viewport all to itself.
07:11:37kaiscenehttp://pastebin.com/CkSuh1ZL
07:12:30JdGordon|I'm surprised that *ever* worked
07:12:30kaiscenethe %x() and %pb() are in a viewport - the same viewport. are you saying to put %pb() in a completely seperate viewport?
07:13:31*JdGordon| might need to add an option to make that work properly
07:14:56JdGordon|what do you mean reload the theme?
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07:15:33JdGordon|off the top of my head I would expect the image to be drawn above the progressbar
07:15:57kaiscene(1) rockbox starts up and loads the theme automatically, the %x() image doesn't show up in WPS. (2) I load some other theme (3) I load the original theme from (1), and %x() shows up
07:16:20kaiscenewell, it's for the Clip+ and a monochome screen, so it doesn't matter if it's below or above the progressbar
07:17:02JdGordon|above means it would not show the pb at all
07:17:20JdGordon|try putting %xd(a) after the %x() line
07:17:30JdGordon|it shouldnt be needed but maybe %x() is broken
07:19:43S_a_i_n_targh....that's....different.
07:19:52JdGordon|?
07:20:10S_a_i_n_tjust looked at the pastebin.
07:21:41S_a_i_n_tI'd leave the %x line in the default viewport, and move the progressbar into its own...then, all should be fine.
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07:23:45JdGordon|^ do that
07:24:23kaisceneokay. have to wait for Sansa's database refresh on the physical device because the simulator doesn't have this problem
07:24:31kaiscenetakes a while test
07:24:51S_a_i_n_tthat's what the simulator is for.
07:24:58S_a_i_n_ttesting on device is painful.
07:25:03S_a_i_n_tNot worth the brainache
07:25:37JdGordon|you mean the editor
07:25:51kaiscenewell, i tried jdgordon's suggestion first and it works now without reloading the theme. %xd() \n %x() \n %pb()
07:26:14S_a_i_n_tthe sim still works...and, the editor just *can't* do certain things...so, no, I don't.
07:26:21JdGordon|really?
07:26:32JdGordon|now im interested in your images...
07:26:34S_a_i_n_tyeah.
07:26:45S_a_i_n_ttry using RTL or %ax
07:26:46kaisceneoops typo, i mean %x \n %xd \n %pb
07:27:13JdGordon|what that is doing is drawing the bar then the image over the top (transparent)
07:27:24S_a_i_n_terr... S_a_i_n_t is talking about the editor here...not to confuse the current convo
07:28:31S_a_i_n_tkaiscene: I'd really put the playbar in its own viewport.
07:28:48JdGordon|na
07:28:49S_a_i_n_twhile leaving the pb backdrop in the default viewport.
07:29:15S_a_i_n_tIt'd work.
07:29:20JdGordon|no that's silly.. if you want to move the viewport you have to modify co-ords in more than one place
07:30:17S_a_i_n_tit would seem to me to be the sensible way to do it from the start.
07:31:34JdGordon|not really.. things which should be draw together (spacially) should be in the same viewport
07:31:52JdGordon|so obviously you want the pb backdrop under it, so logically they shold be together in the viewport
07:32:44JdGordon|the problem with this is that the draw order breaks it, so if I remember I'll fix that by adding a backdrop image (like the slider image) option so they are drawn together
07:33:13S_a_i_n_tnot *really* any non-dynamic image I leave in the default viewport personally.
07:33:19kaiscenethat would be an elegant solution for this problem
07:33:57S_a_i_n_tthe elegant solution would be using the code in ways that work :P
07:34:00JdGordon|S_a_i_n_t: ok, but we already know we dont agree on what we tihnk is logical here
07:34:31S_a_i_n_tyeah, you write the code...and I use it in ways that work \0/
07:34:54JdGordon| so in actual fact its all YOUR fault!
07:35:15S_a_i_n_tfor being able to use your twisted mess?!? :P
07:35:24S_a_i_n_tI'd call it creative ;)
07:35:30JdGordon|yes! you shuold be complainig that it isnt working properly
07:35:35JdGordon|like kaiscene here
07:35:57S_a_i_n_twell, it *does* work properly, for me.
07:36:05S_a_i_n_tas, I use it in a sane way.
07:36:19S_a_i_n_t(sane is debatable..though, apparently)
07:36:21JdGordon|well, sane is relative... you're a kiwi after all :D
07:36:35kaiscenethe practical solution is for me to add the extra %xd() tag. the elegant solution would be for jdgordon to add syntax to handle drawing background images below the progressbar via the %pb() tag.
07:36:38S_a_i_n_tbloody aussies.
07:37:15JdGordon|kaiscene: file a bug report for that, I might not remember to fix it
07:37:30JdGordon|but yes, adding another option is by far the most sensible solution
07:37:30S_a_i_n_tkaiscene: I really don;t agree...thats just adding a differnt way to do something that can already be done, if you do it "right" from the start.
07:37:54JdGordon|S_a_i_n_t: here we go again... what you ae suggesting is the kludge way... not the right way
07:37:56S_a_i_n_tif you draw your backgroung in the default viewport, than give the playbar its own viewport..it will work.
07:38:03S_a_i_n_tand no additional coding need be done.
07:38:24S_a_i_n_tIt's not a kludge...it has worked right for 100s of people before now.
07:38:26JdGordon|and what if you want to conditionally show the bar?
07:38:32S_a_i_n_t1000s perhaps.
07:38:52JdGordon|that means nothing, a kludge is a kludge even if 1000000000 people put up with it
07:38:58S_a_i_n_tthen, you code it differently...but that isn;t the case here.
07:39:05S_a_i_n_tI suggested a SIMPLE fix, that works.
07:39:43S_a_i_n_tand doesn't require additional code because 1 person has a problem using it.
07:47:29S_a_i_n_tanother really simple solution would be to include the playbar background in a backdrop (thinking out loud)
07:47:55S_a_i_n_tNot he "right" fix here, but, possible.
07:50:01JdGordon|that is working around the kludge though
07:50:09JdGordon|and not workable if you want to condtianly show it
07:50:54S_a_i_n_tIf he did want to do so, I'd suggest differently...but you're talking about a use case that doesn't have anything to do with the situation at hand.
07:51:18S_a_i_n_tLike I said, I suggested a simple fix, that works...and require no additional code.
07:51:24S_a_i_n_tA clear winner IMO
07:51:44JdGordon|well...
07:52:47S_a_i_n_there we go...
07:53:02JdGordon|"you" seem to tihnk that the actual code fix is somehow massivly complex, or even partially complex
07:53:30S_a_i_n_tIf every time someone comes in here with something that "doesn't work" and instead of suggesting a way it can be done with esisting code, you add to the codebase...the UI will be a fucking mess in a very short while.
07:53:52S_a_i_n_tIts headed there now.
07:53:57JdGordon|not at all
07:54:22JdGordon|and that assumes that it wasnt already overly complex
07:54:51S_a_i_n_tOh, so its already complex...so making it moreso is fine?
07:55:11JdGordon|I disagree that all changes would add complexity
07:55:25S_a_i_n_tDidn't you say a few days ago that additional/optional params wan't the way to go?
07:55:32S_a_i_n_t*wasn't.
07:55:43JdGordon|I highly doubt that
07:55:54S_a_i_n_tI don't see why I should be getting flamed here for suggesting a way to make something work with *no* effort.
07:55:56JdGordon|feel free to link me though, if I did it was in another ocntext
07:56:05JdGordon|who's flaming you?
07:56:17S_a_i_n_tyou seem to be trying to.
07:57:35JdGordon|dissagreeing is flaming now? All I'm saying is that working around and accepting kludges isnt necessarily a good thing
07:58:38S_a_i_n_tdisagreeing is disagreeing...saying a way that something works as intended is a kludge to try to prove a point is *very* close to flaming.
07:59:49kaisceneit seems like something is wrong with the existing code if adding %xd() after the %x() does fix the problem.
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08:00:14JdGordon|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flaming_(Internet) ... and no, I'm bagging the code (which I tihnk I am in a position to) not you or your ideas at all
08:00:14kaiscenemaybe not "wrong" but something is "inconsistent"
08:00:17S_a_i_n_tthat would be the draw order patch that was snuck in with the new parser.
08:00:32JdGordon|nope, that would be a bug in %x()
08:00:50JdGordon|its very possible that it isnt redrawing like it should
08:00:56JdGordon|%xd() just forces the draw
08:01:20JdGordon|actually, can you file that bug also? :)
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08:01:51S_a_i_n_tIf I didn't want kaiscene to learn to code things slightly differently, I'd hand him a .wps that fixes his issue right now.
08:02:04S_a_i_n_tI'm highly tempted to do so, its so damn simple.
08:02:24kaiscenewe already have a fix. %x() \n %xd() \n %pb() works and I'm happy with it
08:03:14kaisceneor even doing what you suggested - putting the %x() in the default viewport - would be fine
08:03:56S_a_i_n_tI just want to add that I'm not saying "because that's what I'd so...its "correct""
08:04:13S_a_i_n_tbut, it is what I'd so..and, is very simple.
08:04:28S_a_i_n_ts/so/do/
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08:15:12JdGordAdding the %xd is definitely a bug (unless it does draw if the %pb is commeneted out)
08:15:19JdGordWhich I doubt happens
08:15:57kaiscenei will try testing that now
08:16:06JdGordTa
08:19:43kaiscenethe %x() does not show up at all, even with %pb() commented out!
08:20:20kaiscene"reloading" the theme still fixes it
08:21:24JdGordOh!
08:21:39kaisceneseems like it has nothing to do with %pb()
08:21:47JdGordOk I know what is happening :)
08:22:24JdGordNo wait.... umm...
08:22:31JdGordIt shouldn't be getting cleared
08:23:51JdGordComment out all the text lines in that viewport also?
08:24:07kaiscenei'll try that now
08:24:28JdGordSo the only line should be the %x
08:25:57JdGordBack in 40
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08:58:03kaisceneJdGord, a viewport with just %x() fails to display the image without forcing it with an %xd()
08:59:07kaiscenei had already submitted a bug report complaining about the %pb tag, but %pb has nothing to do with this %x problem. want me to submit another report with a proper title anyway? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11550
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09:06:31JdGordNo that's fine
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09:17:53JdGordonkaiscene: did it work when %x() was the only line in the viewport?
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09:23:57JdGordon%x() and %pb() work as I would expect here
09:24:00JdGordonno %xd needed
09:24:41JdGordonyeah, you have a text line which must be breaking things
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09:26:07JdGordonyour paste works fine on the e200 sim
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09:27:08pixelmamaybe there is a difference if you try it on monochrome targets...
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09:36:08JdGordonnow I didnt I think of that :p ..... (p.s I did)
09:36:16JdGordonkaiscene: works fine on the slip also
09:36:38JdGordonopposite becaviour though, bar over image, e200 is image over bar :)
09:38:32pixelmaif it works, I really don't see why there should be yet another parameter for the progressbar
09:42:16JdGordonwhat works?
09:43:43pixelmadisplaying a background image behind the progressbar
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09:45:17pixelmausing the static image tag in the same viewport
09:47:24JdGordonit doesnt do what he wants though...
09:47:24JdGordonalthough I just realised that if you put the transparent colour on the background image it should work
09:50:54kaisceneJdGordon, yes the WPS works fine on the simluator builds, but fails on my physical device
09:51:10kaiscenei'm using a Clip+
09:51:30kaisceneanother "inconsistency" that led me to bring this issues up with you guys
09:51:50pixelmaare the two running the exact same build?
09:52:44kaisceneit happens with r27821 and later for me
09:54:01pixelmain the sim or on target or both?
09:54:14kaisceneboth
09:54:32kaiscenethe sim had always worked fine. the target stopped working after r27821
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09:55:39kaisceneJdGordon, a viewport with only %x() in it still fails to show %x() with the current build on the target/physical-device
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10:17:41JdGordonthats pretty odd.. there is no reason it should be different :/
10:18:21JdGordonalso depending what you are going for, transparecny on the background image wont work either
10:19:19kaiscenei have white filling in the parts i want to be transparent now, is there another color that will act as "transparent" ?
10:19:45JdGordonnot for the clip
10:20:18pixelmaif they are monochrome, "white" already is transparent
10:20:47pixelmaat least that's how it worked
10:21:16pixelmaI mean monochrome bitmaps
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10:26:57pixelmaJdGordon: which case of "what you are going for" wouldn't work?
10:29:40JdGordonits a bit hard to explain... bassically you cant to a backdrop where the unfilled part is "filled" but different to the filled part
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10:32:28enigmaticthx for the great work just rockboxed a red fuzev2 bh0906bkzk-4gb
10:37:01pixelmaJdGordon: if you implemented draw order, I'd expect this to work if you put the %x/xd before the progressbar
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10:39:25S_a_i_n_tdraw order *should* be implemented.
10:39:37S_a_i_n_tIt was added along with the new parser.
10:39:45JdGordonnot completly
10:39:52JdGordonit didnt work for images
10:40:02JdGordonnot without everyone needing to rework their themes
10:41:10JdGordonbelive me, I wanted it
10:41:11S_a_i_n_tso did I...kinda. But I wanted it to be optional, not forced.
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10:56:25S_a_i_n_thttp://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=25515.msg170601#msg170601 <−− Interesting way of doing things...
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10:58:01pixelmashould this really work with overlapping viewports and things?
10:58:19S_a_i_n_tthe post I just pasted?
10:58:48pixelmayes
10:59:07S_a_i_n_tOverlapping viewports *can* work...but, are not advisable.
10:59:29S_a_i_n_tIt depends what is being displayed in each VP
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11:00:16PsyHey guys :)
11:00:16S_a_i_n_t"interesting way of doing things" was more, "OMG, how does this work? does it work? I wonder what it looks like if it does!" :P
11:00:54pixelmaI wouldn't be surprised about update problems in everything above the "text lines" full screen viewport
11:01:09pixelmaaha
11:01:38S_a_i_n_tI'd be interested to see a screenshot of it "working"
11:02:21S_a_i_n_tI imagine various things would flicker annoyingly as the overlapped VPs tried to update.
11:10:42CIA-88New commit by 03nls (r27842): FS10820 - Shopper, a shopping list plugin by Daniel Rigby.
11:10:49PsyDamn, the sansa forums are down. Does anyone have a Clip+ firmware file by any chance?
11:12:32CIA-88r27842 build result: All green
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11:14:42n1sS_a_i_n_t: JdGordon: can FS #11490 be closed now?
11:14:53pixelman1s: is this plugin text based (could it work on charcell too)?
11:15:01S_a_i_n_tI'll have a look...one second.
11:15:12PsyFound the clip+ firmware :) there are two files, .dat and a .bin, which do I point rockbox installer to?
11:15:13n1spixelma: it displayys a regular list so i assume so
11:15:41n1soh, it's only included for bitmap targets
11:15:42S_a_i_n_tPsy: the manual will explain that.
11:15:52S_a_i_n_thttp://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-sansaclipplus/rockbox-build.html
11:15:59S_a_i_n_tPsy: ^
11:16:48S_a_i_n_tn1s: Yes, I believe so. (re: 11490)
11:17:15pixelmait's using core actions if I see correctly, guess that works ok for this purpose
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11:17:45PsyS_a_i_n_t, thanks, I found it in the manual install section, there's no mention of which to use in the auto section... perhaps it could be updated?
11:18:07S_a_i_n_tPsy; Submit a patch to the tracker.
11:18:16S_a_i_n_thttp://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index.php?show_task=
11:20:12n1spixelma: it builds for the player at least
11:22:12n1sit works in the player sim too so i'll just enable it for the player too
11:22:43pixelmacool :) It needs a manual entry too, I think
11:23:08CIA-88New commit by 03nls (r27843): Enable shopper plugin for charcell too and fix the :$ tag in shopper.c
11:23:56pixelmaI find it a bit weird though that now there is a Chopper and a Shopper ;)
11:24:23pixelmabetter than Shopbox though...
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11:27:11n1syes a manual page for it would be good
11:27:16CIA-88r27844 build result: All green
11:29:59n1si can't decide wether to commit that keybox patch that lets you import passwords from a plain text file, sure it's convenient but it's alos very insecure
11:30:57n1swhat's the point of adding a feature and then telling people not to use it?
11:32:02S_a_i_n_timporting PWs from a plain text file seems extroadinarily silly to me.
11:32:20S_a_i_n_tIsn't the idea behing keybox...security?
11:33:11n1syes, but it's darn awkward to type in the entries on the rb keyboard so i understand why people would want this
11:34:34n1s*but* that file can possibly then be restored by someone who knows what they are looking for and we *can't* even implement a schred algo that will work on all targets because of hardware FTL's
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11:35:35gevaertsn1s: even worse, I predict that people would just *copy* the file to their DAP
11:36:01PsyDone S_a_i_n_t, thanks :0
11:36:34n1sgevaerts: yes, how else would they import from it? (could be done in the sim of course)
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11:36:48gevaertsThey could save straight to the DAP disk of course
11:37:18n1sgevaerts: ah, you mean it would encourage people to keep plain text passwords on their computer?
11:37:25gevaertsyes
11:37:35n1sthat is a valid point indeed
11:39:04n1ssomeone wrote me a mail a while a go and asked me to make an app for encrypting the keybox file on a computer though, maybe i should just do that
11:40:19[Saint]I picture people carrying around plain text files of their PWs on their DAP because the forget to clean up after the import.
11:40:40[Saint]It seems quite silly to me, just learn to use the V-Keyboard! :P
11:40:42n1ssomething to integrate n rbutil perhaps
11:41:04n1sok, i'm going to reject that patch then
11:41:30[Saint]"reason for rejection: WHAT!?! Are you MAD man!" ;)
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11:42:36JdGordonthe vkeyboard is terrible
11:42:44n1syes it is
11:43:27S_a_i_n_tits a LOT better if you bother making a custom .kbd, which I assume very little people know about.
11:45:04S_a_i_n_tthe other benefit (other than being able to cut out chars you know you'll never use) is that it uses the userfont as opposed to sysfont, making it WAY easier to navigate.
11:45:22S_a_i_n_t+IMO
11:48:08n1si've wondered why we use the sysfont for the default keyboard
11:51:01pixelmabecause we currently have only keyboard "pages" to travel which wouldn't fit otherwise, I think
11:51:18S_a_i_n_tthe whole thing fits perfectly onscreen in sysfont on 176x132, but I imagine it looks quite crap on larger screens.
11:52:08pixelmathe smallest displays have the keyboard on more than one screen
11:52:38S_a_i_n_tthe problem with using userfont for the keyboard is if you change fonts, it *seriosly* messes up the layout.
11:52:55S_a_i_n_tthe ability to set a font for the keyboard screen would be awesome.
11:53:06S_a_i_n_tlike you can for text viewer/editor
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11:53:39pixelmaI'm talking about the usual virtual keyboard not a loadable one
11:54:19S_a_i_n_tas a result, .kbd files need to be designed for a specific font, and if that font changes...yuckness ensues.
11:54:33S_a_i_n_tpixelma: It is the same no?
11:54:50S_a_i_n_tA loadable one will take more than one page if the font doesn't allow it to fit.
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11:57:34pixelmaS_a_i_n_t: is this possible with a loadable one and how do you reach characters on another page? I never tried, but maybe the problem I saw is already solved (for loadable ones)...
11:57:47pixelmaand how do these work on remotes?
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12:55:38amiconnpixelma: On the Clips, black is transparent, not white. Same on mr100
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12:56:29amiconnRegarding the vkeyboard, my idea is to make it always use a single page, scrolling around as necessary if it's larger than the screen
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13:12:55pixelmahuh?
13:15:42pixelmaI'm quite sure that the black part of the original 1-bit bitmap will be displayed as solid (red on the M:Robe100, yellow or blue on the Clip)
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13:17:50n1samiconn: that sounds good (about the vkeyboard)
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13:41:16mc2739S_a_i_n_t: regarding FS11490, did you forget to convert Sansa e200 (176x220) or were you still going to convert it?
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13:56:26JdGordonrockbox_default.wps is a bit of a misnomer... should it be changed to rockbox_failsafe.wps instead?
13:56:45JdGordonI'm currently fiddling with the loading code and going to add one of them for the sbs and fms also
13:57:27gevaertsor possibly rockbox_builtin.wps?
13:58:08gevaertshm, that's going to confuse people nearly as much as "default" I guess
13:58:17JdGordonpossibly
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14:00:39mc2739JdGordon: along with rockbox_default, there is currently a rockbox_none.sbs/rsbs (0b) but nothing fms/rfms
14:01:58JdGordonit would be nice if we could add virtual files to the browser
14:01:58JdGordonand yes, thats one of the reasons I want to fix this
14:02:08JdGordonI realised that my patch doesnt handle rockbox_default.wps at all and could be done easily for all skin types
14:03:15JdGordonanyone know how rockbox_default.wps is created?
14:04:35mc2739I think tools/buildzip.pl
14:05:03JdGordonI think wpsbuild.pl actually!
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14:05:47JdGordonbut it it wps/rockbox_default.txt.wps there and I dont see special casing anywhere for it
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14:08:14JdGordonwhats the best way to dump a string to a bunch of files in perl?
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14:24:11JdGordonperl help... there must be a better way than this.. http://pastebin.com/pjhkdzD0
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15:03:57JdGordonso my clever on demand loading thing works, except on init viewportmanager tries to set the sbs title text (amond other things) which end up calling into the skin manager to get the sbs which tries to load it, but this is before the buffers have been loaded so that fails, but the reason it was called doesnt care so they pass..
15:04:02JdGordonnow nothin crashes but it seems messy....
15:04:12JdGordonhow the heck do I untangle this?
15:04:54JdGordonor do I not worry about it?
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15:09:39gevaertsDoes it have to try to set this text?
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15:20:09kugelJdGordon: what advantage does loading on demand have?
15:20:14JdGordonany guesses what the font in http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/2414/ipodsim1.png is?
15:20:58JdGordonkugel: didnt we do this last night? Right now it isnt used but it should give us much more intellegent buffer management... no need to have all skins loaded
15:21:16JdGordonplus reloading one without dumping all of them
15:21:36kugelyea, I understood that, but I mean loading on demand specifically
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15:22:18JdGordonspecifically... what I said :D
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15:22:57kugelthat is all nice, but can be done with loading at boot as well
15:22:59JdGordonright now the benefits arnt obvious, but if on a fm target you want a image heavy wps and sbs and fms you cant do it completly
15:23:26JdGordonso what it would allow is a very heavy sbs+wps and then dump the wps if they decide to load the fms
15:23:41JdGordonmy patch as is does still load all on boot
15:23:53JdGordonbut it uses the load on demand mechanism to do it.
15:24:08kugelI'm not sure if a disk spin up every time you enter the fms is nice
15:24:31JdGordondejavu
15:24:46JdGordonload on demand DOESNT mean dump when not used anymore
15:25:17kugeldidn't you just say that?
15:25:29JdGordonno
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15:26:17JdGordonthe plan would be that if they dont all fit in the buffer together then yes swap the fms/wps as needed, so if you were silly and kept flcking between them you would hit the disk alot
15:26:39JdGordonbut just going fm->menu->fm wouldnt do anything
15:27:17kugelhm, I see
15:27:30kugelI think i would prefer resizing the skin buffer as needed
15:27:45JdGordonwe could even dump the loaded skin to disk as a binary blob and reload it in one hit when needed
15:27:57JdGordonthis and me I isnt stopping you attemtping that
15:29:10JdGordonresizing still doesnt fix the problem where you load a bigger theme after boot
15:33:29seaniamiconn: I've been pondering the vkeyboard a lot wrt blind users and think I might have a decent idea to make it a lost faster / simpler for everyone. Mind if I run it past you on the forum at some point? IRC is difficult to illustrate
15:34:26seaniamiconn: I'd also say that having been "forced" to use it for a bit, I'm actually quite impressed with some of the design choices as it is. A good stab at a difficult problem.
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15:57:50S_a_i_n_t" but if on a fm target you want a image heavy wps and sbs and fms you cant do it completly" <−− I seem to manage it just fine.
15:58:02S_a_i_n_tdiffereng definition of "image heavy?"
15:58:17S_a_i_n_t*bah..."differing
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15:59:22JdGordononly because the buffer is probaly twice as big as it need be (or you arn't trying hard enough)
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16:00:02S_a_i_n_tOh, right...its my fault ;)
16:00:04JdGordonipod video is 804KB buffer
16:00:17S_a_i_n_twhich is pretty fucking big...
16:00:58JdGordonandroid 480x800 is 2.98MB! (of a 8MB build)
16:02:09S_a_i_n_twhich is pre overkill, all I'm saying is that I *really* like animation, my .fms .sbs and .wps usually have a different backdrop each, and...I still haven't run out of buffer doing anything that isn't just plain stupid.
16:02:14S_a_i_n_t*pure
16:02:44JdGordonand no, 800KB/32MB isnt very much, but then "you" are being hypocritical complaiing about relativly tiny deltas which are nothing comapred
16:02:46S_a_i_n_tI've come *really* close to it, but, never quite got there.
16:02:50JdGordonyou obvously not necessarily you you
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16:10:41S_a_i_n_tmc2739: regarding the "viewportifying" of the remaining skins, my mother died while I was working on that...and AFAIK Jd was going to do the remaining skins, or, I seem to have that impression at least...I can certainly start to look into it again once I clear some IRL work off my desk.
16:11:12JdGordonI thought about it, then got distracted with the android argument and psuhed it off :)
16:11:35S_a_i_n_tAh, glad I didn't just imagine that. ;D
16:12:14wodzS_a_i_n_t: what's the status of charging battery icon?
16:12:51S_a_i_n_tI'm sitting down to workon it some more now.
16:13:24JdGordonwhats the plan for your bigger icons? if they are done I can commit them now if you want?
16:13:33wodzok, just asking no reason to hurry
16:14:09S_a_i_n_tI'd consider them done...waiting for input from kugel...they're better than what's there currently though.
16:14:14S_a_i_n_tJdGordon: ^
16:14:30S_a_i_n_tI can always fix up anything that seriously needs it later on.
16:15:02kugelJdGordon: they're a bit inconsistent with the current iconset
16:15:07JdGordonhave you done the viewers icon strip yet?
16:15:13kugel(unless it changed in the meantime)
16:15:15S_a_i_n_tNo, not yet.
16:16:00JdGordonkugel: I don't think that really matters
16:16:33kugelThey should be as equal as possible IMO
16:16:40PsyDoes setting the compressor threshold to off disable the whole compressor?
16:16:43JdGordonwhy?
16:17:03S_a_i_n_tI'd rather fix the SVN set, as...the icons != the actions in several cases
16:17:41kugelwhy would you want two different iconsets? we want all cabbies as close as possible
16:17:49kugelS_a_i_n_t: fine with me
16:18:34S_a_i_n_tmost of the icons that are :"inconsistent" don't even get used AFAIK, they are just there to not have big transparent blank spaces
16:18:50S_a_i_n_tthere are several icons I'm pretty sure aren't used anymore
16:19:05S_a_i_n_twilling to be corrected, however.
16:19:52S_a_i_n_tAnd others, just don't exist in the current Tango! set.
16:20:00S_a_i_n_t(radio icon is an example)
16:21:50S_a_i_n_tjsyk, I'm not saying: "It's finished, done, kaput...there's no room for improvement"
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16:47:10wodzI think there is a bug in firmware/sound.c line 210. Maybe I read it wrong but !defined(HAVE_WM8975) will be triggered by almost all (exept WM8975) codecs, so next entries are redundant.
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17:14:15S_a_i_n_tOh...wow, I hadn't looked at http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=25515.0 properly, I thought that the "ascii" type image at the top of the .wps was some form of visual reference for the reader as to VP placement...now I see the screenshots...ummmm, wow.
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17:16:12S_a_i_n_tI must admit...its kinda cool in a terrib;y awkward, overlappy viewport kinda way.
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17:57:03mc2739S_a_i_n_t: My condolences on your loss. I was wondering about the cabbiev2 update because the flyspay task was closed. Do you know which other targets also still need to be updated?
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18:04:46S_a_i_n_tcabbiev2.320x240x16.mrobe500, cabbiev2.240x400x16, cabbiev2.240x320x16.mini2440, cabbiev2.240x320x16, cabbiev2.220x176x16, cabbiev2.160x128x16, cabbiev2.128x96x2, cabbiev2.128x64x1, cabbiev2.112x64x1
18:05:21S_a_i_n_tbasically, the greyscale/monochrome targets...and the ones that use %?C incessantly
18:06:12mc2739S_a_i_n_t: thanks, I'll reopen the task and add that info
18:06:19S_a_i_n_tHave a look at the commenting/layout style of the ones that have been updated so far...preferably they should all match, and, while not trying to sound too far up my own ass I happen to think the ones I converted are quite readable.
18:07:38S_a_i_n_tI'll be able to return to it (if noone else has) in a few days when I get to the bottom of my IRL pile'o'shite ;)
18:08:29pixelmathe 128x96x2 is a bit viewportified and doesn't use album art because it's currently not possible to have album art on the remote (different pixelformat to the main displays would need a second scaling of the art which isn't done yet)
18:09:47pixelmait could easily support album art for the M3 though where it is the main display/WPS
18:10:11S_a_i_n_tpixelma: Yeah...I listed the ones (dammit, forgot the android ones added recently) that I didn't update/clean personally...even if they do use viewports. I guess ideally I should be the one to finish the job, as they'll all end up in the same style/format in the end.
18:10:25S_a_i_n_tI took it upon myself to comment the code as a "teaching tool"
18:10:46mc2739S_a_i_n_t: no hurry, I'll just make a note in FS #11490 so that it is not forgotten. Also, if anyone else can work on the updates, they will know what needs to be done.
18:12:21S_a_i_n_tmc2739: I understand...t's more myself that doesn't like leaving jobs half done. Things are slowly getting back to a normal pace here though, I shall push it to the top of my todo. My spare time has been rather ill managed of late.
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19:23:47kugel\o/
19:24:49*S_a_i_n_t wonders why kugel is in a celebratory/hand-waving mood
19:25:40kugeloh I implemented a load/store_context using ucontext_t which should enable us to use our own threading engine in the sim
19:26:10S_a_i_n_t\o/
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19:47:46hanswurschthi. i can't choose a font in 'theme settings'. i've got a sansa e260.
19:47:55hanswurschti installed the font package using rockboxutility
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19:48:39S_a_i_n_twhat happens when you try?
19:49:05hanswurschtnothing
19:49:35hanswurschtthe flash icon appears for a few seconds in the upper right corner
19:50:24S_a_i_n_twhat build/version?
19:51:07S_a_i_n_tAlso, which theme.
19:52:00S_a_i_n_t"system - Debug (Keep Out!) - Rockbox Info"
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19:53:09hanswurschtnot without debug?
19:53:15hanswurschtit's version 3.6
19:53:21hanswurschtthe theme is clearblue
19:53:36S_a_i_n_tHave you tried with a different theme?
19:53:45hanswurschtyes
19:53:50hanswurschti'll try another one
19:54:09S_a_i_n_ttry "cabbieV2"
19:54:39hanswurschtit's the same with cabbiev2
19:57:15S_a_i_n_thanswurscht: I am rather surprised a problem of that nature has not been caught already, would you be prepared to see if the problem exists in a daily build?
19:57:34amiconnkugel: How does that work? The contexts are cpu specific
19:58:05hanswurschtS_a_i_n_t: sure
19:58:22hanswurschtS_a_i_n_t: can i use rockboxutiliy to install a daily build?
19:58:46S_a_i_n_tsure.
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20:01:35hanswurschtit's the same with the current build
20:02:22S_a_i_n_ttry backing up your config.cfg and doing a clean install
20:02:34S_a_i_n_tie. delete the entire .rockbox folder.
20:02:46S_a_i_n_tI suspect your installation is going awry somewhere.
20:02:50hanswurschtok
20:04:47hanswurschthmm. strange
20:04:57S_a_i_n_tfixed?
20:05:02hanswurschtremoval of "fonts" fails
20:05:17hanswurscht'Read-only filesystem' ...
20:05:17S_a_i_n_tcorrupt filesystem I'd say.
20:05:23S_a_i_n_twhat OS?
20:05:26hanswurschtyes. damn
20:05:27hanswurschtlinux
20:07:10hanswurschti'll try an fsck on the sansa
20:08:02hanswurscht... looks screwed up ...
20:09:07kugelamiconn: yes but libc has an abstraction layer for that
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20:10:27amiconnoh?
20:11:13amiconn(mis)using setjmp/longjmp, or yet something else
20:11:15amiconn?
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20:11:44kugelamiconn: ucontext_t as I said
20:14:29hanswurschtS_a_i_n_t: works fine now ;)
20:14:37hanswurschtS_a_i_n_t: i can choose fonts
20:14:43S_a_i_n_thanswurscht: Awesome ;)
20:14:55hanswurschtS_a_i_n_t: the filesystem was really screwed up :(
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20:15:38hanswurschtS_a_i_n_t: btw. is it possible to format the sansa partition(s) and reinstall the OS (original or rockbox)?
20:16:17S_a_i_n_tI'm not a Sansa expert, sorry...one should come along in due course, however.
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20:35:40kugelhm, it's quite unstable
20:40:38kugelwell, it's stable when I get the sim to "boot" proerply, but most of the time it segfauls on startuop
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21:23:50kugelok, this is *impossible* to debug
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21:58:26mtTheSeven: It would be better/clearer if the returned values were defined in an enum or something imho : http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/firmware/target/arm/s5l8700/ipodnano2g/ftl-nano2g.c?r1=27840;r2=27841;pathrev=27841
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22:10:08CarcinoHello. Could someone running cygwin test building the voice file for E200? For me it seems to be broken.
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22:20:03pixelmaCarcino: can you explain a bit more - what happens or what doesn't?
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22:24:18darkkraiis there a port for the zune?
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22:24:41CarcinoWhen I run 'make voice' gcc throws me errors related to rbspeex
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22:26:39CarcinoIs there some way I could pipe the output to a file? Make voice > file.log seems to not work.
22:26:42wodzdarkkrai: no
22:26:44CarcinoCould put it to pastebin.
22:27:11wodzmake voice 1>log 2>log should do
22:27:28CarcinoThanks. Will try.
22:28:01CarcinoI just checked out a clean RB tree just to see if it's something in my end. I'll try with that.
22:30:57CarcinoThe same happens with clean tree.
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22:46:17CarcinoI don't get this with my normal tree but still not working nonetheless:
22:46:18Carcinohttp://pastebin.com/FFVMKdmb
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22:51:52pixelmadid you type "make voice"?
22:52:08CarcinoYes I did
22:54:12pixelmaI'm currently trying to build myself (with an older cygwin and no-eabi because I haven't updated on this box yet). There already was an error message in the beginning I can't remember seeing before but it's still running. I can tell you more in a bit
22:54:37pixelmatrying to build for c200 because that's what I have and it should be similar to the e200
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22:55:38pixelmagot a voice file in the end
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22:57:35pixelma"make[2]: pkg-config: Command not found" seems new to me though, also during configure it seems to have skipped the TTS options, it wasn't possible to set them
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23:00:39pixelmaare tools only rebuilt after a "make veryclean"? Looking at Carcino's pastebin I thought his rbspeexenc could be broken, just a wild guess though
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23:01:55wodzyes tools are rebuilt after make veryclean
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23:10:52wodzpixelma: the lowest sound volume should mute output or make it 'as quiet as hardware support'?
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23:15:13pixelmaif you ask me it should be mute but I know it's not on some targets (IIRC I can still hear something on the c200 with the lowest setting and in a quiet environment)
23:16:00pixelmaCarcino_: could you try a "make veryclean"? Maybe your rbspeexenc is broken, I'm just guessing though
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23:19:38Carcino_Unfortunately I can't work on this today anymore. I'll get back to this when I have more time. Thanks for help!
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23:19:59wodzbut from the other hand if the setting states for example -68 dB it should be -68 dB and not mute
23:26:34n1swodz: i think the lowest volume is mute on some players (DACs) and just very quiet on some
23:27:38wodzn1s: about line 210 in sound.c - it is correct (watch for parenthesis)
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23:28:23wodzso there is no general rule about min volume
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23:30:01n1sah, yeah i missed that parenthesis, that is a very unclear way of writing that IMO
23:30:09n1sdon't think there's a rule no
23:31:21n1ssound.c is a big old mess of #ifdefs though
23:34:03wodzI know, I made some attempts to clean this up a bit but without archos at hand I couldn't test this properly so I gave up.
23:42:05CIA-88New commit by 03bertrik (r27845): Sansa AMSv2: enable PLLB and use it to generate a more accurate PCM frequency (playback rate error improves from 1.1% to 0.04%) - FS #10906 by me.
23:43:41CIA-88r27845 build result: All green
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