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#rockbox log for 2010-08-22

00:01:29kugelTorne: ping
00:02:08Torneyus?
00:02:33kugelI sorted the usb thing out and I think the plugin_crt0 works nicely now
00:03:27kugelhttp://pastie.org/1106673
00:04:43kugelhm, http://pastie.org/1106676 (the previous diff lacks the new file)
00:05:17Tornethat looks pretty nice )
00:06:54*gevaerts prefers DEADD0D0 as a magic number
00:08:32kugelthat's negative isn't it? I wanted to avoid a negative magic because error statuses are usually negative (if they're bad), no?
00:09:11gevaertswell, it's dead, of course that's negative!
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00:18:35gevaertsbluebrother: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=25550.0
00:18:43gevaertsCan you check if rbutil does things wrong?
00:19:08gevaertsdomonokyL ^
00:19:12gevaertsdomonoky: ^
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01:39:21CIA-88New commit by 03mc2739 (r27856): Further upgrades of Cabbiev2 wps files to viewports - FS #11490 by HAyden Pearce and me
01:41:00CIA-88r27856 build result: All green
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02:28:49PsychotcAnyone online have experience with Toshiba gigabeats? I have a f10 that needs a new drive, and I am looking to see if anyone has tried a sd -> 50 pin ZIF adapter as a hdd replacement.
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02:31:19krazykitPsychotc, well, the gigabeat F doesn't use a ZIF connection. it's 50-pin ata
02:32:00krazykitcompact flash -> 50-pin ata adapters are known to work
02:33:04Psychotc@Krazykit, yes, sorry I was looking at an ebay page that had the sd -> 50 pin&ZIF I forgot the & in my first question.
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02:37:52PsychotcI was hoping someone had tried since It's much cheaper for me to get the sd adapter and use one of the many SD cards I have around the house.
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08:43:26JdGordonbieber: ping?
08:43:50lazybumHi anyone can take a look at this wps?
08:43:54lazybum%wd # Progress bar etc. %V(0,1,-,8,1) %pb(0,0,128,6,pb.bmp) %x(a,pbbackground.bmp,0,0) %V(0,8,-,-,1) %al%pc%ac%?mp<Stopped|Playing|Paused|FF|Rewind>%ar%pt # Track info %V(0,17,-,-,1) %s%ac%?it<%it|Unknown Track> %V(0,27,-,-,1) %s%ac%?id<%id|Unknown Album> %?iy<%(%iy%)|> %V(0,37,-,-,1) %s%ac%?ia<%ia|Unknown Artist> # Playlist and codec info %V(0,47,-,-,1) %alPL:%pp/%pe%?ps< %(S%)|>%?mm<| %(R%)| %(R1%)| %(R%)| %(R%)> %arC:%fc %fb
08:43:59lazybumfor clip+
08:44:11lazybumpbbackground.bmp isn't appearing
08:44:40JdGordonpastebin the wps
08:44:40lazybumfor build r27856
08:44:44JdGordonthat is unreadable
08:45:01lazybumsorry how do you do that?
08:45:11lazybumor maybe i just paste the problematic part
08:45:17lazybum%x(a,pbbackground.bmp,0,0)
08:45:18JdGordonhttp://pastebin.com/
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08:46:19lazybum 1. %wd 2. # Progress bar etc. 3. %V(0,1,-,8,1) 4. %pb(0,0,128,6,pb.bmp) 5. %x(a,pbbackground.bmp,0,0) 6. %V(0,8,-,-,1) 7. %al%pc%ac%?mp<Stopped|Playing|Paused|FF|Rewind>%ar%pt 8. 9. # Track info 10. %V(0,17,-,-,1) 11. %s%ac%?it<%it|Unknown Track> 12. %V(0,27,-,-,1) 13. %s%ac%?id<%id|Unknown Album> %?iy<%(%iy%)|> 14.
08:46:22lazybumhmm
08:48:06lazybumoh you mean the link? http://pastebin.com/YheARjJU
08:48:31lazybumyeah anyway it works on the sim though
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14:10:30*amiconn needs to find out who^H^H^H what commit broke hwcodec playback :(
14:11:20amiconnGrabbed my recorder for the weekend and it's unusable
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14:21:06rubenverweij_hi all! my little brother found a fake ipod nano and I would like to try and install Rockbox on it. lsusb says it's an "Actions Semiconductor Co., Ltd D-Wave 2GB MP4 Player / AK1025 MP3/MP4 Player". I have two questions: is there some other command I can run to get more info about the device and is there any hope of installing Rockbox on it? Thank you in advance!
14:21:21n1sno, no hope
14:22:27rubenverweij_@n1s: Okay, thanks. Is it also not possible to try and install it manually?
14:22:51ender`not unless you port it yourself
14:23:29n1srubenverweij_: rockbox will not work on that player unless it's ported, the fact that it *looks* like an ipod doesn't matter
14:23:40rubenverweij_Well, then I'll just leave the crappy Chinese interface on it ;-). Thanks for your time and help!
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14:39:35bieberJdGordon: Don't know if you caught my message earlier, I was just wondering if you could set up a wiki page and/or send an ML message with all the changes you've been making in one place
14:39:55JdGordonhey, (nice timing), yeah i did see that
14:40:34JdGordonI wanted to do the work myself but got completly lost in the code :p
14:48:56JdGordonbieber: having an early night... http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev;revision=27846 (completly new tag), http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev;revision=27821 (bar drawing changes) http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev;revision=27812 and 27813 (changes to %xl/%xd)
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18:28:30TheLemonManwhos working on sansa xpress port ?
18:28:57gevaertsIs anyone?
18:29:27TheLemonManive seen that on the website
18:30:17gevaertsYou've looked better than I have then. Where?
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18:31:17TheLemonManhttp://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaExpressPort#Recovery_Mode
18:31:41TheLemonManive found the same recovery interface on my device but i cant get it to communicate
18:31:55TheLemonMani just have a 0x81 in isochronous endpoint
18:32:05TheLemonManevery request/write/read times out
18:32:47gevaertsAh right, MarcGuay did some work on it
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18:34:09gevaertsIf you only have an isochronous endpoint, it's not the same recovery interface
18:34:19TheLemonManits the same chip tho
18:36:56seaniAs it's quiet, can someone look at committing FS11042 or give me a clue why it won't be committed? I think I've addressed the objections that existed to it.
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18:53:13TheLemonManhttp://mympx.org/forum/dead-players/39755-sigmatel-recovery-guide-updated-4.html
18:53:22TheLemonManscsi cmds :D
18:53:35TheLemonMantoo bad i cant find a fuckin way to send em
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18:54:06gevaertsTheLemonMan: what OS are you using?
18:54:16TheLemonManlinux
18:54:27gevaertssg3-utils should have something helpful then
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18:55:13ZaphodieHi
18:55:30TheLemonManill try that :) but i think will fail as its recognized as an hid
18:55:49TheLemonManive written some custom code to send commands but no luck
18:56:14ZaphodieAnyone here to ask a couple of possibly stupid questions...
18:57:57gevaertsZaphodie: we can't know that unless we know the questions
18:59:51ZaphodieRight. ipod 3g, why can't i connect to my computer via usb (or: why doesent xp see the device as a standard drive while running rockbox 3.6 stable) have to reboot to original.
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19:01:06ZaphodieAnd is there any hope of getting a working LUA implementation in the forseable future. Can't get most of anything to work.. sure i can draw some lines etc, but the implementation seems broken.
19:02:32gevaertsZaphodie: the first one is easy: because we don't have a USB driver, or as far as I know even a datasheet for the USB controller in the 3g
19:02:53ZaphodieRight.. i see how that can bring things to a halt.. :/
19:04:19gevaertsI can't answer your LUA question. I personally never used it, nor do I actually know lua
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19:21:49TheLemonMani tried pretty everything D: timeout errors
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20:04:30ZaphodieI'm allso interested in the innards and specs for the g3 ipod, is there a centeral repository for the docs on the device? I'm looking to do some rudimentary programming and it would help to know what the platform is capable of.
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20:16:58funmanZaphodie: hi
20:17:13funmani just read the logs and i'm curious to know which problems you have with LUA
20:17:45funmani am not a very skilled LUA coder but i had no problems writing a few scripts and running them in rockbox
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20:23:56ZaphodieIt was a while back, but as i recall i could not get any text I/O to work. and even the script that's supposed to enumerate the api into rb.txt failed. I can give you the errors later when I'we finished backing up the pod. (and can boot back into rockbox
20:25:32ZaphodieI did mamage to draw a bunch of lines and boxes and such on the screen.
20:29:51funmantext I/O : display text strings on the screen?
20:29:56n1sZaphodie: we don't have docs for the SoC in the ipod 3g, if we have docs for the other hardware they probably are in the wiki
20:32:42Zaphodiefunman, if I recall that was one of the problems when i dabbled with it.
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21:01:02funmandomonoky1: no news from the TTS project?
21:01:14terriblebanterCan you get a command prompt on rockbox and install stuff like perl or ruby?
21:01:45domonoky1nope, he never returned my last emails, and we failed him on midterm.
21:01:47saratoga_nope
21:04:01funmanterriblebanter: there's a lua interpreter but no prompt
21:04:17ZaphodieHmmh. If the forums would have a subforum under hardware for all the different targets, it would make it a little bit easier to find stuff relevant to one's platform. Just my 2 cents.
21:04:49funmanZaphodie: if the forum had a subforum for each target it would be a nightmare of 40+ subforums
21:05:42ZaphodieNow it's a mess of 75 subpages of everyhting in a soup. Don't really know which is worse.
21:05:52saratoga_Zaphodie: we used to have something like that and it worked poorly
21:06:16soapyou can search the hardware forum only for your target's name, and then browse the topic titles.
21:06:21ZaphodieRight.. i'm terribly new at this rockbox stuff.. so maybe i'll lurk more, before aking a fool of myself.
21:06:51ZaphodieRight, soap.
21:06:52soapI think the moderators have been good about ensuring the proper device name is stated in all relevant threads. I'll pay more attention to that.
21:07:01saratoga_theres very little reason to search for a specific target in the forums since most things are not target specific
21:07:23soapwe are talking about the hardware subforum, though, saratoga_
21:07:45saratoga_yeah, which has very few posts, since theres not all that much to talk about
21:07:50soap;)
21:08:16terriblebanterCan you get command prompt on rockboxie?
21:08:33n1sterriblebanter: no
21:08:39n1sthere isn't one
21:09:16terriblebanteroh
21:10:08saratoga_anyone with a wikipedia account feel like updating the rockbox entry to use this as the main image instead of the menus: rasher.dk/rockbox/rockbox-gigabeatf-cabbiev2.png">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/rockbox-gigabeatf-cabbiev2.png
21:10:24saratoga_rasher says its CC-BY
21:10:50rasherEr the album art image is, the cabbiev2 images are cc-by-sa
21:10:53ZaphodieI found my old g3 ipod (40g) and it's so retro. I just can't get enough of the thing. I was SO bummed with the original os, so finding rockbox (while it was 3.2 or something) was a breath of fresh air. So i'we been thinking of writing some kind so a strategy game on it that would fit the UI of the 4 buttons and the wheel.. Maybe i have to go for C.. I was hoping for LUA.
21:11:22amiconn5 buttons...
21:11:22TheLemonManasm is the way
21:12:26ZaphodieAsm _is_ the way but x86 was enough and i was young then. So preferably LUA, if not then C.
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21:12:55saratoga_ASM is not the way
21:13:02saratoga_using it for a strategy game is dumb
21:13:10Zaphodieit sure would be
21:13:23saratoga_and would probably be rejected since it wouldn't run on like half our targets
21:13:33soap$100 is yours, Zaphodie, if you port freeciv
21:13:37TheLemonManmost mp3 players are arm, arm is simply sweet
21:13:47soap;)
21:14:05ZaphodieThanks soap. A bit (or a lot) beyond my scope.
21:14:12TheLemonManthe smart use of the pipeline gives a 150% speed boost
21:14:22amiconnmost != all
21:14:50amiconnAnd even for arm you need to vary the code for the different arm versions and architecture versions
21:15:38TheLemonManuse armv5 specifications and youre ok for 90% of the targets
21:15:39amiconnAsm makes sense for a few low-level, speed critical functions
21:15:45amiconnNo, you aren't
21:16:03amiconnMost rockbox arm targets are v4
21:16:19amiconnAnd there you have to distinguish between arm7 and arm9
21:16:45ZaphodieBack way when mouse drivers for MS-DOS were too bulky to use with specific games, asm was a godsent.. then came imouse.com and all my asm skills were made moot.
21:17:23TheLemonManmmkay mp3 player games must be coded in C then ^^
21:18:07funmanZaphodie: did you notice the boomshine game ?
21:18:12saratoga_TheLemonMan: i think we don't have a single stable armv5 target
21:18:19saratoga_but a few unstable ones
21:18:51ZaphodieWhen i was in jail, a space opera strategy game with even a smudge of AI would have kept me entertained for hours on end. Would have made the time go faster. That's the motivation behind it.
21:18:57TheLemonManSoC are v4 ?
21:19:06amiconnWe do have one armv6 target though
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21:20:14funmanZaphodie: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/plugins/boomshine.lua?revision=25043&view=markup
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21:24:08Zaphodiefunman, Fun game.
21:27:53funmanIt's not only fun, it's also 100% lua and can be used as example for text/graphics/button input ;)
21:30:00n1samiconn: the beast it still "unstable" due to the installation difficulties IIRC
21:30:12n1ss/due/, due/
21:30:32n1swhich at this rate seems like they will remain unfixed :(
21:31:18TheLemonMantheres a general todo list? i may help in the spare time
21:31:57funmanthere's the bug tracker
21:32:12funmanif you have one of the unstable targets you can look what makes them still unstable
21:32:13n1salso the MrSomeonesTodoList in the wiki
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21:33:39amiconnSome targets deemed unstable are actually more stable these days than expected-to-be stable ones :\
21:33:40TheLemonMani dont have any suitable target :(
21:34:02TheLemonManexcept mine i haxxored by myself, runs a linux kernel and uses sdl
21:34:55Zaphodiefunman, it actually ran on my ipod. Well this is new, allmost everything else gives errors and exits. Thanks tons, i'll see what i can do with it.
21:35:59funmanbtw you can use the simulator to develop/debug
21:36:06Zaphodie(and has a working dispaly message function, which is a plus)
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21:37:09Zaphodiefunman, oh! url would be appriciated, thi i'll probably find it by myself now when i got the envcouragement of a actual working LUA game.
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21:37:25Zaphodie(sorry for the crumbs in the keyboard)
21:37:53funmanhttp://www.rockbox.org/wiki/UiSimulator and http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/DocsIndex#For_Developers
21:39:05ZaphodieThankyou funman.
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21:45:31clone4crwHey is someone here willing to review a patch that I submitted? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11546
21:47:30funmanyou broke the alignement somehow
21:47:42funmanah that's because you use tabs
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21:49:04funmanAlso the manual needs change
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21:50:29CIA-88New commit by 03nls (r27857): libtremor: use render_line from ffmpeg (libavcodec/vorbis.c), speedup ~1% on both arm and coldfire, output unchanged.
21:50:42funmanclone4crw: want me to answer on flyspray?
21:50:50clone4crwif you would like
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21:51:21clone4crwby not using tabs, you mean just replace the tabs with (four) spaces?
21:51:44n1sclone4crw: yes, see docs/CONTRIBUTING
21:52:20CIA-88r27857 build result: All green
21:53:30clone4crwsorry about that. I'm revising the patch right now
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21:56:00CIA-88r27858 build result: All green
21:59:33ZaphodieWould it be out of place to inquire a trustworthy (and cheap) business that could sell me a replacement battery for a 3g ipod. I'm guessing people here might have a broader underestanding about this than google.
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22:00:01clone4crwpixelma: How would I go about changing the manual regarding the lamp plugin?
22:00:09saratoga_n1s: did you just make Tremor LGPL?
22:00:59n1ssaratoga_: maybe our tremor but we distribute under gpl so that should be fine, no?
22:01:14saratoga_n1s: yeah, but theres still BSD headers on that file
22:01:34funmanalso if people want to redistribute the source under original license it's a problem
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22:01:39saratoga_we need to be careful about mixing
22:02:21funmanperhaps the function can go in a separate .h
22:02:22n1suh, ok so how do i fix that? just revert the commit since it's just for a minor speedup?
22:02:57saratoga_would it be hard to rewrite it?
22:03:11funmanput it in a .h with a LGPL license ?
22:03:31saratoga_it looks like the function is already partially rewritten
22:04:03n1si'd rather do the separate .h, well, they are doing the same things and i suppose it was written from the spec
22:04:33saratoga_could you just remove the remaining ffmpeg bits?
22:05:42n1sthe ffmpeg bits are basically the unrolled special case which is the reason for the speedup, i think so that would just be a revert
22:07:09n1sI'll just drop it in a separate .h
22:07:55kugelI don't think you can avoid license issues with .h files?
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22:09:16funmanthe licenses are compatible but it's important to indicate which piece of code is under which license, in the case of source redistribution
22:09:17n1skugel: the binary is already gpl since it links with gpl code but individual source files can be other (compatible) license
22:09:20funmanif someone only wants BSD he just has to drop the .h
22:09:35funmanbtw you can also ask the FFmpeg author to relicense his change
22:09:42saratoga_thats not a bad idea
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22:09:56saratoga_the ffmpeg people were nice enough to give us BSD licensing on the mdct
22:10:01funmanespecially for small functions i doubt they would disagree
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22:13:24saratoga_that function is written by lorenm, who has previously relicensed ffmpeg code for us
22:14:28CIA-88New commit by 03nls (r27859): Move ffmpeg functions to their own file to avoid mixing code under different liceses in the same file. Licensing is fun!
22:14:55n1ssaratoga_: did you get the mdct merged back into tremor?
22:15:07saratoga_n1s: no unfortunately not
22:15:16funmani'm subscribed to the tremor list, no activity for 3 months or so
22:15:24saratoga_i've been really busy with trying to graduate
22:15:57CIA-88r27859 build result: All green
22:15:57saratoga_i think the patch needs more testing anyway, for instance i realized we never tried it with 96khz Vorbis files
22:16:16saratoga_i don't think anyone uses tremor with those files, but it should still be checked
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22:18:46n1si was looking at the ffmpeg vorbis decoder and wondered about how easy it would be to fixed point convert and use in rockbox but it allocates several hundred kB's so some parts would need to be hacked up a lot
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22:19:33funmanthere were a few variable length array on stack -> malloc/free conversions 1 month ago or so
22:20:28saratoga_tremor mallocs a lot too
22:20:32saratoga_is ffmpeg worse?
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22:23:47n1sparsing the codebooks it mallocs over 300kb since the max codebook size is so insanely huge but common files use only a few hundred to about 2 thousand entries
22:24:23n1sso that would need to be rewritten or adapted from tremor or something
22:26:51n1sthose arrays could of course be allocated just as large as they need to be but then we would fail on theoretical files that some users probably has somewhere
22:30:39n1sffmpeg is using a lot more worst case mallocs though, while tremor just seems to malloc what it needs
22:31:30amiconnargh
22:31:39amiconnWhere's Lear when you need him?
22:32:01amiconnr27773 causes the serious breakage on hwcodec (starting playback stops again immediately)
22:38:07amiconnArgh, hidden signature mismatch due to separate declaration, originating from mpeg.c historically living in firmware/
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22:38:49funmantwo different functions with the same name?
22:40:32amiconnNo, mpeg.c declaring playlist_peek() & friends separately instead of including playlist.h
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22:42:46funmanthat's evil!
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22:50:31amiconnfunman: Yes, but way back it was necessary
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