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#rockbox log for 2010-09-04

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00:07:03funmanlook the position of dfifo_depth
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00:09:20pamauryin 4xx config, dfifo_depth is 16 lsb, in other config, it's 16 msb
00:11:00funmanwell so the register is different
00:11:29pamauryall registers are this way
00:11:49pamaurybecause the endianness is different I guess so you need to reverse the order
00:11:55pamaurythat might be a gcc trick too
00:12:02funmanendianess works with bytes not group of 2 bytes
00:12:05pamaurybecause the order of the fields is actuallu undefined
00:12:15pamaurythen it's gcc thing
00:13:29pamauryif you have a close look, all register fields are in reverse order if i'm correct
00:13:46funmanit seems so
00:14:07pamaurybut now that's you are talking about it, the definition I chose for hwcfg3 is not consistent with my other choices
00:14:08funmani think we already found some code in the OF which goes well with the CONFIG_4xx registers
00:14:50pamaurylike ?
00:15:01funmanhm no hwcfg3 is consistent with the others i think? you use the definition at line 718
00:15:45pamauryoh yes, you're right, I misread :)
00:16:16pamauryIt seems impossible that I reversed all the registers and that it works sometimes !
00:16:34funmanpcgctl &= ~(1<<0); // 0x3030B814 in clip+ OF 01.0.209
00:16:37funman01.02.09*
00:17:03funmanpamaury: well something is wrong somewhere so i'm just putting my nose where i can :)
00:17:11pamauryand you're right :)
00:17:21pamauryok so what is this line doing ?
00:18:02pamaurythere is no pcgctl register
00:18:19funmanpcgcctl?
00:18:27pamauryah yes :)
00:18:36funmanaccording to you, it 'clears "stop pclk"'
00:18:55*funman slaps CIA-81
00:18:56pamaurythe high bits are unused:
00:19:02pamauryunsigned reserved : 27;
00:19:09pamauryso it's but be lsb
00:19:14CIA-81New commit by 03funman (r27995): revert r27991 ...
00:19:27pamaurywhich is consistent with !CONFIG_4xx no ?
00:19:41CIA-81r27995 build result: All green
00:21:07funmanyes
00:21:15funmanargh i mean no
00:21:38funmanit's consistent with CONFIG_4xx if i consider that the last member of the struct is the lsb
00:22:13pamaurythat's completely stupid, there are symmetric, both are lsb :)
00:23:46funmanwhat?
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00:24:50funmanendianess affects bytes not bits
00:24:54pamauryyou said that it's can be endianness related so it must a gcc trick. So both must be lsb
00:25:26funmani doubt it
00:25:37funmanthe order could well be different
00:25:51pamaurybit-endianness ?
00:26:34funmancall it another way, but yeah why not
00:28:16pamaurybut then how can you tell which config the controller is ?
00:28:41funmangrep shows CONFIG_4xx in arch/powerpc so it could be endianness o:
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00:29:07funmanif all the registers are completely symetric it doesn't matter
00:29:40pamauryas far as I noticed, all registers are symmetric, it took me quite some time to check but I have missed something
00:31:02funman'config 4xx_SOC' is in arch/powerpc/Kconfig
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01:38:33ChipsaruHi. Is there any iRiver H3** expert? I bricked my h340 a few moments ago by flashing wrong firmware image (it was a pure accident). Now it shows blank white screen if I power up it and I can't load stock iRiver firmware. Is there any way to flash it again? May be some serial console or so?
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01:42:32S_a_i_n_tChipsaru: Have you tried the Rockbox Wiki?
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01:45:56ChipsaruS_a_i_n_t: Yes, but didn't find anything similar (maybe I somehow missed that?)
01:46:10S_a_i_n_tperhaps...also, try google.
01:46:40S_a_i_n_th3xx+recovery from bad flash (or similar)
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01:49:24S_a_i_n_tChipsaru: A bit of googling suggests that you probably aren't going to recover your device unless you have specific hardware for doing so.
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01:51:07S_a_i_n_tChipsaru: I found this: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=18407.0 on the Rockbox forum.
01:51:24S_a_i_n_tIt seems to suggest you have very poor odds of recovering your device
01:51:25ChipsaruS_a_i_n_t: But someone who did port rockbox for this player unbricked it somehow.
01:51:51LloreanWith special hardware.
01:51:52S_a_i_n_tChipsaru: Yes, a developer...with the hardware necessary to do so.
01:52:22S_a_i_n_tthe important part is the "with special hardware"
01:52:41S_a_i_n_tit would possibly cost more for you to abtain that hardware, then it would a new player.
01:52:48S_a_i_n_t*obtain
01:53:00S_a_i_n_t*than
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01:54:13ChipsaruI understand that I need some hardware, but maybe I can solder it myself or with help of friends?
01:54:40S_a_i_n_tit isn't a case of "just solder X to Y" as I understand it.
01:55:16S_a_i_n_tThe procedure is pretty bloody complicated, and wrought with all sorts of hillarious potential mishap as I understand it.
01:56:25S_a_i_n_tYou have to understand, when installing Rockbox, that there is *always* a chance of turning your favourite DAP into a worthless piece of jumk.
01:56:37S_a_i_n_tIt is a risk you took when you installed it.
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02:00:19ChipsaruI have a body of the same player which motherboard died some time ago, maybe I can resolder flash chip from that player?
02:01:09S_a_i_n_tPerhaps...but, unless you're *really* good with a soldering iron, and soldering micro pitch, I would forget it.
02:01:32S_a_i_n_tI replaced a NAND in a Nano2G, and I never want to have to do that ever again.
02:01:46S_a_i_n_tthey are *not* designed to be soldered by hand...at all.
02:04:51ChipsaruIt's a pity that it's a software only problem and all hardware was fine before that firmware upgrade :(
02:05:58Tornethe BDM wiggler is not super complicated or expensive, iirc
02:06:01Tornebut it'snot trivial or cheap either
02:06:38S_a_i_n_tTorne: More expensive than a new player, IIUC
02:06:45Tornehm
02:06:52Tornethe stnadard commercial one is like $150 actualy, so yeah
02:06:55Tornei thought it was less than that
02:07:04S_a_i_n_twow..is that USD?
02:07:08Torneyes
02:07:09S_a_i_n_tIts a LOT more here
02:07:16S_a_i_n_t~300 or so.
02:07:16Tornethere's more than one
02:07:32S_a_i_n_tI realise that ;)
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02:10:07TorneChipsaru: anyway, if you want it recovered it's possible whoever it is who has our wiggler would be willing to do it if you paid for return postage
02:10:25Tornebut that's up to them
02:15:32pixelmaumm, I believe petur is still waiting for a repair of his H100 but - not sure at all
02:17:08S_a_i_n_tChipsaru: Basically, put it in a safe place somewhere...and hang on to it for spares :/
02:17:51S_a_i_n_tOr (less likely), hope that one day you run into someone with a wiggler, *and* the knowhow to use it to restore your player.
02:18:11ChipsaruTorne: It is a good idea, I found that debugging hardware is too expensive, so I need to find someone with BDM to send my player...
02:18:19S_a_i_n_tI'd personally look at it is spare parts, though.
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02:19:21S_a_i_n_tyou might find a H3xx with a broken screen/etc. online for a not-too-costly price
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02:35:05ChipsaruThank you for all this suggestions, I'll try to recover it someday.
02:36:00S_a_i_n_tSorry it happened, but, its a risk you take unfortunately.
02:36:20S_a_i_n_tIf all goes well, its awesome...if not, well, y'know.
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06:18:48avisi installed rockbox on my e270. the MUSIC folder is not visible from the rockbox interface. banshee however does move things into the MUSIC/ folder though its not accessible through rockbox, only the original sansa firmware
06:20:53soapdo you have rockbox set to show "all" files (ie hidden files / directories)?
06:21:05soapor is "MUSIC" a MTP folder, not a UMS folder?
06:23:47avisi'm not sure where i would configure rockbox to show all files
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06:27:23soaphttp://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-sansae200/rockbox-buildch8.html#x11-1350008.2
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06:28:10soapI don't recall the MTP behavior, but if you're in Sansa's USB mode you need to check the original firmware and make sure it's configured for ums
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10:22:40kifoHi. I'm having some trouble getting my ipod nano 1g to boot into rockbox, ive done this a million times before
10:22:59kifoi had to restore it tonight, ive done it a good number of times before and its been fine
10:23:31kifoive been triple checking and trying to redo it and such for an hour, getting rockbox on there i mean, and as far as i can tell, the process of just getting the current build and unzipping it isnt working like it always has
10:23:41kifoI'm not sure what else to check
10:25:22n1skifo: so how does it fail?
10:25:44kifojust doesnt boot into rockbox
10:25:50kiforight into the OF
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10:26:26n1sdid you install the bootloader?
10:27:00kifolemme check, i believe so, its in my script but ill check
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11:18:39fRee[dOOm]Всем привет
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11:21:14[Saint]people need to read these logs with translators
11:21:31fRee[dOOm]Я не англичанен)
11:23:04fRee[dOOm]Only USA?
11:23:38JdGordonfRee[dOOm]: if you have a question, ask it, otherwise this isnt a social channel
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12:47:18ThomasAHCurrent SVN (r27995) does not build for me (sansaclipplus, make fullzip): rockbox.svn/firmware/export/font.h:34:21: error: sysfont.h: No such file or directory
12:48:29bertrikI'll to reproduce that, often it helps to just do a make clean and another mak
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12:50:20ThomasAHbertrik: I removed the build dir directly before that, but I'll try again
12:51:43S_a_i_n_tThomasAH: Also, try "svn stat" to see if you have any files that differ from SVN (but, I should guess you do, or, you wouldn't be compiling your own build)
12:52:27ThomasAHS_a_i_n_t: nothing changed
12:52:33ThomasAHHmm, this time it worked
12:53:11S_a_i_n_t\o/
12:53:29ThomasAHI'm using "export MAKEFLAGS=-j8", maybe some missing dependency?
12:54:35bertrikI think sysfont.h is a generated file, so yeah probably a dependency that goes wrong with -j
12:54:47S_a_i_n_tshouldn't be.
12:55:05S_a_i_n_teeek...conflict! ;)
12:55:06ThomasAHnever had such a problem before during probably 20-30 builds
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13:56:54fir3i just got a sansa fuze v2, is there anyone having the same device? is it safe to first upgrade the original firmware and then install rockbox using rbutil? or is it too unstable?
13:59:29LloreanTorne: Speaking of dircache (re your forum thread) is it enable by default yet (or if not, is it safe to enable by default). I don't recall seeing a commit to that end, but I've not been paying as much attention as I used to.
13:59:34gevaertsfir3: it doesn't really make sense to first upgrade. The rockbox installation involves patching an original firmware file (to add the rockbox bootloader) and then installing that one
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14:02:01fir3so i can just go ahead and install rockbox using rbutil?
14:03:42fir3or do i need some special steps? especially i would like to have the wikipedia plugin, and of course i don't want to brick the player and void the warranty by opening it ;)
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14:06:24gevaertsfir3: the official build doesn't have the wikipedia plugin, so an rbutil install won't give you that. I haven't heard of anyone having issues that required opening a fuze since a *long* time
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14:25:37fir3can i install it using rbutil and then sperately build and copy over the wikipedia plugin?
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14:26:36bluebrotherfir3: generally speaking: no. In some cases: yes.
14:28:54fir3what is the safest way to install it with the wikipedia plugin?
14:29:52bluebrotherinstalling means that you need to do two steps: install the bootloader and install the main build. Rockbox Utility will do both for you, but you can also use it to only install the bootloader.
14:30:25bluebrotherYou can also install both the official bootloader and Rockbox build, then create your own build containing the wikipedia plugin and replacing the installed build with your own one.
14:31:05bluebrotherthe problem with "just" replacing plugins is that the plugins need to match the build. I.e. you need a wikipedia plugin built for the Fuzev2 for it to work.
14:31:36bluebrotheralso, the plugin API changes sometimes. If you have a plugin for the Fuzev2 but built against an older plugin API than your build it won't work.
14:32:44bluebrotherif you install a current build, then create your own build and only move the wikipedia plugin to the player it should work.
14:33:44bluebrotheras building Rockbox should give the same result on your machine as on the build server. Also, a few revisions differences between plugin and main build is usually not a problem, since the plugin API doesn't change that often.
14:36:07preglowanyone with a d2 here?
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14:38:11fir3bluebrother: where can i find instructions how to build rockbox?
14:39:04bluebrotherfir3: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SimpleGuideToCompiling
14:42:21fir3thx :)
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15:45:06ThomasAHfor the log: 191 builds in a row without a problem. I don't know why sysfont.h wasn't generated, maybe some file older/newer as another one after updating from svn
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15:52:04wodzI saw there was some talk about BDM wiggler: 1) there is very cheap USB DIY wiggler (open hardware) called TurboLight BDM (google for TBLCF). 2) Somewere on the wiki there is schematic + source/hex for ultra cheap BDM hardware meant only to flash rockbox bootloader using BDM. 3) BDM as itself is very good documented - I took me 1 day to develop hardware/software to dump flash image of MPIO.
15:55:22ThomasAHS_a_i_n_t, bertrik: 191 builds in a row without a problem. I don't know why sysfont.h wasn't generated, maybe some file older/newer as another one after updating from svn
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16:38:57mulenmarTheSeven, I think I just encountered the backlight issue you were talking about, on the Nano 2G −− and after a Stkov nand panic.
16:39:26TheSevenhow did it behave?
16:39:51mulenmarI reset the iPod, and when iLoader came back up, it automatically loaded into the Apple firmware. (With the iLoader screen for it)
16:40:00TheSevenhmm
16:40:01mulenmarWhen I reset it AGAIN, the backlight was off.
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16:40:21TheSevenok, so this backlight trouble is actually related to the OFW, not a specific device
16:40:33mulenmarMaybe?
16:40:45fir3how much disk space does the sansa (e) toolchain take?
16:41:01TheSevenif it loads the apple firmware autimatically, this probably means you've held the menu button for too long
16:41:06mulenmarAfter it shut off, and I turned the iPod back on, the backlight was STILL off.
16:41:35B4gderfir3: at least 60MB
16:41:41mulenmarI was thinking that too, but this is the second time it's happened and I never hold buttons for more than a fraction of a second unless I'm trying to reset it.
16:42:00TheSevenwell, you were resetting it before
16:42:14mulenmarOther than to reset it, I mean.
16:42:16TheSevenif you keep pressing menu after a reset for too long, it will boot the ofw
16:42:31TheSeven(for usage consistency with the rockbox bootloader)
16:43:11TheSevenso you're basically saying that the OFW messed up something in the power manager?
16:43:53mulenmarI . . . guess so. I'm just a user, I don't know what all the acronyms are yet.
16:44:22TheSevenOFW = original firmware = apple firmware
16:45:02TheSevendid the backlight work again after booting rockbox once?
16:45:05mulenmarThe backlight was still forced off in the emBIOS screen and iLoader, though. And loading up Rockbox again fixed it.
16:45:09mulenmarYes.
16:45:14TheSevenok
16:45:27TheSeventhe power manager chip retains its state even when powered off, that's a bit nasty
16:45:38mulenmarSo, I guess somewhere in the Rockbox code is an easyish fix for iLoader?
16:45:52TheSeveni already have a suspicion what might be going on
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16:46:46mulenmarOh good. It seems to be at least SOMEHOW connected to that annoying Stkov nand panic, I think −− but I'm going to try making it happen one more time and be extra-sure to not hold buttons too long.
16:47:03TheSeveni'm sure it isn't
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16:47:15TheSevenit is related to booting the apple firmware
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17:07:32mulenmarI think I figured it out, TheSeven. It's a combination of Rockbox-user-error (hard reset, Rockbox doesn't get to shut down gracefully), emBIOS's response to it (trying to recover files), and a weird iLoader aftermath (if I so much as TOUCH the clickwheel, WITHOUT clicking, it loads the OFW).
17:08:24mulenmarThe Stkov nand panics cause the same response by emBIOS.
17:08:42mulenmarSo this is a regular ol' tangled fishing line.
17:10:09TheSevenhmm
17:10:26mulenmarMost of this problem is probably better discussed in the #freemyipod channel, but since the panic is a known problem by itself (FS #11433), and triggers the issue with emBIOS and iLoader WITHOUT user screwup . . .
17:11:07TheSevenhm, the stkov isn't directly related to this, this will happen with any unclean shutdown
17:12:05TheSevensomeone should deallocate that buffer in fat_rename properly to get rid of the stkov, and we should try to figure out why iloader starts going nuts after a hard reset at #freemyipod
17:12:55mulenmarAnd why emBIOS gets confused on the backlight whenever the OFW is loaded.
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17:37:44fir3i did a "git clone" with the repo url on that link http://github.com/tomka/rockbox/tree/wikiviewer , but it didn't download the wikipedia plugin. how can i activate it?
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18:49:12fir3alright, guess "git checkout origin/wikiviewer" made it work :)
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19:13:32McDougalhello
19:13:56McDougali am having some problems installing rockbox on my new sansa fuze v2 and i was wondering if you guys could help me out
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19:17:53McDougalmy problem is i cannot boot into rockbox, i did a manual installation, everything seemed fine, then when i turned it off and i turned it back on it booted into the OF as if nothing has changed
19:18:30gevaertsDid you install the bootloader?
19:19:59McDougalyes i installed the bootloader and it seemed to install fine with no errors
19:20:42McDougali also updated the OF before installing
19:31:38fir3i'm also trying to install it on my new fuze v2 atm..
19:31:48fir3using rbutil
19:32:35fir3bootloader and rb is installed, lets see..
19:32:56McDougali just tried to remove the bootloader from the rockbox utility...and i got an error message saying "Rockbox utility cannot uninstall the bootloader on this target. Try a normal firmware update to remove the bootloader."
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19:34:37fir3hum rockbox neither launches on mine :/
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19:34:56McDougali think its a bootloader install problem, because the .rockbox folder is on the device...
19:35:31morsemis it ok to ask questions here?
19:35:38McDougalstrange thing is it doesnt give any error messages when installing the bootloader through manual or utility (tried both)
19:36:39fir3McDougal: yep
19:36:48gevaertsmorsem: sure
19:37:10McDougalthis is really strange...I know this has been done before, I know two people who have successfully rockboxed a fuze v2...
19:37:18*gevaerts isn't *too* familiar with the AMS sansa installation procedures...
19:37:45gevaertsAs far as I understand it, you have to download an original firmware file and point rbutil to it
19:38:00McDougalyes i did that, i downloaded it from the sansa forums
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19:38:36fir3i got it from here (2.3.33) http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/amsfw.html
19:38:43McDougalThen it finishes saying "Installation log created"
19:38:45gevaertsAnd did your fuze say something like "updating firmware" when it rebooted?
19:38:52McDougalno it didn't update firmware
19:39:33pixelmamorsem: yes, if your question has to do with Rockbox just ask
19:39:46morsemI have 4'th gen ipod (greyscale) I installed the aug 26 daily build. Works great so far. The question is when it first powers up, to the right of the batter indicator there's a number that lasts a few seconds and then disappears. I can't find it in the manual, what it means
19:40:05fir3neither got an update message on mine..
19:40:17McDougalmaybe thats the problem, it doesnt update the firmware, although i updated it using the sansa firmware update utility to versrion 02.03.33 before i tried installing rockbox for the first time..
19:40:32McDougalthrough MSC mode]
19:40:47fir3mine came with 02.03.33A
19:41:24McDougali'm not sure what mine came with, i didn't check, but i updated it to version 02.03.33A
19:41:44morsemthe very first rockbox bootup, it said "-25", the second time it said "-20"
19:42:00McDougalfir3, it appears that we are both having the exact same problem
19:42:13fir3obviously :)
19:42:52McDougali really hope this can be fixed, in fact the only reason why i bought my fuze in the first place was to rockbox it
19:43:01fir3dito
19:43:24gevaertsIt can be fixed. You just need some help from someone who's sufficiently familiar with it
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19:44:19morsemdoes anyone know what the number means?
19:44:22McDougalhopefully there is someone on this channel now that can help....i'd like to get this fixed asap, but just in case i also posted on anythingbutipod too
19:45:05gevaertsmorsem: that's the current volume
19:45:13funmanMcDougal: try manual install, it's different from installation with the rockbox utility
19:45:23morsemok. why does it disappear though?
19:45:36McDougalthe thing is i already tried manually installing, and i still get the same results
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19:45:58funmanmorsem: isn't it replaced by an icon?
19:46:03morsemyes
19:46:07gevaertsmorsem: the status bar shows the volume numerically while it changes, and it goes back to a graphical display after a few seconds. During boot, the volume is set from the config file, so it "changes"
19:46:21funmanMcDougal: did you get the 'firmware updating' message on disconnect?
19:46:22morsemok. thanks
19:46:41McDougalno, i have never got a firmware updating message, either through manual or utility install
19:47:08morsembtw , you guys did a great job. My ipod never sounded this good. it even makes itunes-store music sound ok
19:47:08gevaertsmorsem: you can confiugure this actually, and set it to always numeric, in Settings->Theme Settings->Status/Scrollbar->Volume Display
19:47:13funmanthen you did something bad, start again and read the instructions
19:47:39McDougalokay, maybe i should try going into recovery mode and reinstalling the original firmware as well
19:48:07funmanhttp://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-sansafuzev2/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-110002.2.2
19:48:10McDougalthanks
19:48:37McDougalhow do i manually remove the rb bootloader and installation?
19:48:55funmanread the link i gave you
19:49:00McDougalok
19:51:36morsemthe only not so great report I have to make about rockbox is that the ipodpatcher took a few tries (with errors) before it was able to update the bootloader
19:53:04morsemthe error it gave the first few times was about the ipod having a bad boot block signature
19:53:35McDougali know this is slightly off topic, but does anybody know how to get into recovery mode for a fuze v2?
19:53:56morsemanyways, thanks all. keep up the great job
19:54:05funmanMcDougal: is your fuze broken?
19:54:16funmanhttp://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaAMS has all the details
19:54:31McDougalthanks, and no my fuze isn't broken, i just got it today
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19:55:27funmanthen what are you trying to "recover" ? recovery mode is only to be used in extreme cases
19:55:41TorneLlorean: no, i've not gone through and worked out if there's a reason not to yet. or just done it. :)
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20:02:38fir3alright i get the fw upgrade msg now
20:02:57fir3woohoo it works :D
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20:06:00fir3McDougal: i followed the instructions by funman, works fine now
20:08:59McDougalokay, i attempted to manually install the bootloader, but when i type in mkamsboot.exe fuzea.bin bootloader-fuze.sansa patched.bin"
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20:09:12McDougaloops i wasnt supposed to do that yet
20:09:55McDougalwhen i typed in "mkamsboot.exe fuzea.bin bootloader-fuze.sansa patched.bin" it gives me an error saying that it cannot open bootloader-fuze.sansa for reading
20:10:29funmanyou're reading the wrong instructions
20:10:39*fir3 stops playing snake
20:10:41funmanthis line is for fuzev1, you said you had a fuzev2
20:11:02McDougalwait a sec
20:13:05McDougalokay i will try it all over again reading the right instructions
20:13:34fir3McDougal: i can send you my patched fuzpa.bin if you want
20:13:43McDougalokay, thanks
20:16:51fir3McDougal: might take some time my upload is quite slow :/
20:16:59McDougalokay
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20:19:42fir3McDougal: these are the commands i used http://pastebin.com/05ccR6V9
20:20:36McDougalthanks, ill give it a try
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20:26:14McDougalfir3, those instructions are for linux, and i do not have linux. i use windows 7 64-bit, and i am confused on how to manually install the rockbox bootloader
20:29:06bertrikonce you have a patched fuzpa.bin file, the bootloader installation is basically just a matter of copying it to the root directory of the fuze in MSC mode
20:30:22bertrikinstalling the rockbox main binary can then be done with rbutil, or simply by extracting the rockbox.zip file onto the root directory of the fuze in MSC mode
20:30:45McDougalthe thing is i cant seem to patch it, i run "mkamsboot.exe fuzea.bin bootloader-fuze.sansa patched.bin" in cmd and it gives me an error saying it could not open for reading
20:31:07McDougali already have the .rockbox folder on my device
20:31:10funmanMcDougal: why don't you read what i write?
20:31:16funman20:10 < funman> this line is for fuzev1, you said you had a fuzev2
20:32:42McDougalyes, when i type in "./mkamsboot fuzea.bin bootloader-fuze.sansa output.bin" it says "." is not a command
20:33:14funmanMcDougal: ok then read the instructions one more time, and this time make sure you read all the text
20:33:26funmanyou managed to use the instructions for the wrong player, on the wrong operating system
20:33:38fir3McDougal: omit the ./
20:34:09fir3McDougal: mkamsboot.exe fuzpa.bin bootloader-fuzev2.sansa patched.bin
20:34:13McDougalokay
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20:36:59McDougalthanks for the help, i typed in those commands and it worked, i was just typing in the wrong commands lolz :D
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20:41:29bluebrotherany thoughts on moving the html version of the GPL used in Rockbox Utility to /docs?
20:42:16funmanpixelma: ondios have FM, and no hold button. but you can't use softhold in the FM screen, right?
20:43:36pixelmaOndioFMs yes... there indeed is no soft hold in the radio screen but I never missed it although I use it in the WPS
20:44:40pixelmaif I imagine correctly, the same button combo could work in the radio screen
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20:48:38funmanif i read correctly it's just a matter of calling get_action with ALLOW_SOFTLOCK
20:50:15CIA-81New commit by 03bluebrother (r27996): Remove duplicated license file. ...
20:51:38pixelmafunman: don't you need to add an action to the fm screen context too?
20:51:54pixelmaor something similar
20:52:08CIA-81r27996 build result: All green
20:52:39funmanhm right it's in WPS context, and the WPS context isn't using another context
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20:53:43fir3the wikipedia plugin seems to work fine except that i cant scroll down articles (or dont know how)
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20:54:30fir3ah got it :)
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20:59:31fir3neat.. :D
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21:11:23fir3in case someone needs a fuze v2 firmware with the wikipedia plugin: http://www.mediafire.com/?x4fwc159id0y0o7
21:13:29fir3wrong link, that's it http://www.mediafire.com/?k4ord8acefc2but
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21:18:51ScorchedIceeHey, anything going on for the 160gb classic ipod?... really want to hotbox my 160gb...
21:19:19ScorchedIceerockbox**
21:21:23scorcheo_O
21:22:23ScorchedIceeodd typo there.... but ya, just rockboxed my old 4thgen 20gb
21:22:23soapThe direct answer, ScorchedIcee, is that nobody seems all too interested in porting to the iPod 6G. It would be a hard port and there's been little (if any) direct work towards the goal.
21:22:45ScorchedIceewell.... what work would need to be done? :)
21:24:00soapstart here, ScorchedIcee: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=19622.0
21:24:18fir3what can i do when rockbox freezes on my fuze v2 ?
21:24:36ScorchedIceeI read that whole thread... :/
21:24:38funmanfir3: tell us how it froze, and keep pressing the power button to turn it off
21:24:40n1sfir3: try to reset
21:25:23fir3ah now it turned off had to hold a little longer :)
21:25:32soapScorchedIcee, then I don't understand your question. That thread, and the links which flow out from it are about the entirety of Rockbox's relationship with the iPod 6G.
21:25:46fir3funman: i was opening a jpg image
21:26:05ScorchedIcee@soap: erm... maybe I missed a post hold on :S
21:26:57fir3now i didn't play music and it opened
21:28:44fir3correction: a png image :)
21:28:48ScorchedIcee@soap: has bruteforcing been tried?
21:29:42fir3rockbox is great, thanks a lot :D
21:29:52soapScorchedIcee, I'm getting the impression you haven't actually read the thread and the links in the thread.
21:30:23ScorchedIceeI don't understand a lot of it... but I have read it :)
21:30:32fir3cya
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21:31:00ScorchedIceeI get that encryption is preventing the build... right?
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21:34:38funmanScorchedIcee: we don't know, don't ask us
21:36:51ScorchedIcee@funman: could you point me to somewhere where people would know? please?
21:36:56funmanhttp://www.freemyipod.org/wiki/Main_Page
21:39:08ScorchedIceety
21:42:10funmanhttp://anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=57411 <- someone working on clip keymap, nice
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21:46:25AlexPAs far as I am aware, there is an exploit for the classic (or some generations of it).
21:46:42soapyes, code has been executed on it.
21:46:52AlexPSomeone *just* needs to do all the reverse engineering/programming etc.
21:46:53Gatz851hey yall
21:47:52Gatz851Hey i wondering about how would go about replace the usb dirver with a port of ps3groove
21:48:29soapGatz85, is that the PS3 hack?
21:48:40Gatz851yes
21:48:46AlexPThis has been discussed - see the logs for the last couple of days
21:48:57soapThis was discussed quite a bit yesterday (or perhaps the day before), check the IRC logs on rockbox.org
21:49:00AlexPIn short, throw out the Rockbox stack and start again IR
21:49:05Gatz851i know asked earlyer
21:49:06AlexP*IIRC
21:49:22AlexPNothing has changed :)
21:49:30soapwas there not also an issue with emulating the behavior of a hub?
21:50:03Gatz851nnot sure was really early when i ask nand i walked away
21:51:56soapthis channel is logged, so as AlexP said it's all in there.
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21:52:55Gatz851 thanks
21:52:55Gatz851k thanks
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22:07:18*Dhraakellian saw an n900 reference in the commit log from a couple days ago
22:07:38*Dhraakellian somehow guesses that it's not related to RaaA
22:08:44funmanit's not
22:09:13Dhraakellianthat ever so brief moment of hope while skimming, though...
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22:13:35likemindeadMy Gigabeat MES60V just arrived. :D
22:13:58likemindeadAny tips for installing Rockbox on this device?
22:25:37AlexPRead the manual
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22:37:56ScorchedIceedo all the sound settings affect the Line Out?
22:37:59ScorchedIcee(of an ipod)
22:38:42Tornemost do, yes
22:38:59Tornenot sure if the tone controls (bass/treble) do or not
22:39:09Torneand volume doesn't, obviously
22:39:15ScorchedIceeya, figured that one...
22:39:20Tornebut everything else is a software dsp effet
22:40:08ScorchedIceeto be honest, I kind of wish there was a seperate volume for the line out, like a gain for it...
22:40:39soapuse the EQ precut
22:41:16soapBut, really, the point of a line-out is to be...at line-level.
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22:42:18ScorchedIceeWould increasing the line out amplification be hazardous to a cars stereo system?
22:42:25ScorchedIcee(within reason)
22:42:44Torneer, it's already at line level; that's as high as it goes without distorting
22:42:47soapLikely not. Would likely cause audible distortion, though.'
22:43:00Torneline out is at 0dB
22:43:55Tornewell ok that's true by definition
22:44:02Tornei mean line out is at the level that headphone out is when volume is set to 0db
22:44:30ScorchedIceeprecut only is -xdb?
22:44:38Torneyes, hence "cut"
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22:44:50ScorchedIcee... sorry somewhat new to this stuff :)
22:44:57Torneit's intended to create headroom to boost specific bands via the equaliser
22:45:26Torneanyway, the answer is no, you can't really make line out louder without introducing audible distortion
22:45:32Tornehow are you connecting it to the car stereo?
22:45:35soapOh, there's no positive gain available there?
22:45:44soapHow about in the ReplayGain preamp stage?
22:46:04Tornesoap: i think thats negative only as well, no?
22:46:14ScorchedIceeusing a monster one... transmits on a radio station... really wish I a direct connection...
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22:46:29Tornecan't you just turn the volume up on the car stereo?
22:47:08ScorchedIceeyes I can... but when it comes to my brothers car which has a garbage sound system, I can't get the volume loud enough :(
22:47:46Tornewell, most music these days has no headroom, so any positive gain will make it clip or distort
22:48:20Torneat least on the loud parts, but lots of things also have no dynamic range any more so for those it would do it throughout ;)
22:49:02funmanmc2739: the last patch on FS #11597 only gives you 30 minutes more runtime?
22:49:05ScorchedIceeSee I just want to suck the best sound quality out of this thing...
22:49:41Tornewell, nothing you do to increase the gain is going to increase the sound quality, i'm afraid
22:49:45Tornethat's impossible ;)
22:49:45soapthe DAP, ScorchedIcee, is already giving you the best you're going to get w/o changing a different part of the hardware chain.
22:50:12soapso consider the best sound quality successfully squeezed.
22:50:23Torneso yeah, either the car stereo in question is *really* sucky, or the FM transmitter thing is reducing the volume noticablly
22:50:46ScorchedIceewell with my dads car I can *almost* make my ears bleed :/
22:51:15Tornethen probably that stereo just sucks and doesn't handle the fm input very nicely :)
22:51:25Torneis it louder if you play a cd? :)
22:52:28gevaertsIf it makes your ears bleed, why do you want it even louder?
22:52:50ScorchedIceeI want it louder in my brothers civic 03 with garbage stock sound system :P
22:53:27ScorchedIceenot in my dads car ^^
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22:55:20ScorchedIceeIf it wasn't for my 160gb ipods insane capacity, I would be getting something like a Cowon J3
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22:58:47bertrikfunman, is there a patch in fs #11597 that has essentially the same frequencies for PCLK/FCLK but with the different mechanism?
22:59:19bertrikthe v3 patch, right?
22:59:33funmanright, but FCLK is unused when unboosted
22:59:55funmanso the v4 uses the lowest frequency possible (24MHz * 5 / 8 / 15)
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23:00:05funmanand the patch i'm testing use 0 MHz by using PLLB as a source
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23:31:00likemindeadAnyone know the normal battery capacity for a gigabeat S60 ?
23:31:49Torneyes, rockbox does
23:32:01Tornedid you change the setting and now want to change it back?
23:32:12Torneif so just bring up the context menu on the setting and hit reset to default :)
23:32:51likemindeadNo, I left it at the default. Was wondering if I should change it. Thanks.
23:33:05*likemindead <3's Rockbox sooo much. :d
23:35:44Torneright. no, you shouldn't change it unless you replaced the battery
23:36:35likemindeadCool. Can I delete the non-Rockbox files and folders? I don't care to dual boot. Does Rockbox need the old Toshiba files?
23:36:48likemindeadMediaLibrary.edb etc.
23:36:55AlexPmaybe
23:36:58AlexP:)
23:37:09likemindeadThere's one called drmstore.dat that I really don't like seeing. ;-)
23:37:13AlexPOn the big partition you can get rid of them
23:37:18likemindeadSweet.
23:37:34likemindeadI'll save them somewhere, just in case.
23:37:42AlexPa good idea
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