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#rockbox log for 2010-09-10

00:02:57Luca_Smy personal impression is that the fuze+ will be radically different from the other sansa players - actually it seems similar in spec and size to some creative thingies
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00:03:16Luca_Swe'll see. goodnight
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00:14:52alexbobPare there any recommended "best" or "better" rockbox targets?
00:15:03alexbobPif I were considering buying or recommending an mp3 player
00:15:18alexbobPthis sansafuze doesn't seem to be all that good at video playback
00:16:42krazykitcheck the BuyersGuide wiki page, though it's a bit out of date these days
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00:20:13alexbobPkrazykit: ah, didn't know there was one, thanks
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00:20:42alexbobPwow, fuze v2 is the only rockbox device in production listed on that site!
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00:20:48alexbobPand I don't think it's actually in production anymore, lol
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00:31:31alexbobP"The player will always boot into the original firmware if it is powered by a USB connection, and additionally will do so if USB is inserted while rockbox is running without holding Select."
00:31:55alexbobPI don't know if this is dated... I've never seen rockbox boot the original firmware when I plug it in. it'll charge, but I have to reboot manually to load it from the computer
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00:41:09dfkt_add the clip+ to the players that are in production
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01:02:42pixelmadfkt_: it's a wiki ;) ...also, it should be filled by someone who knows a bit about the Clip+
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01:15:20alexbobProckbox just crashed when I pulled my microsd card, even though I was playing files off the fuze's builtin memory... very strange
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01:59:15*TheSeven found a reproducable crash when unplugging/replugging usb too fast
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02:08:49TheSevenor rather main thread lockup
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02:54:48leachim6hey hey
02:55:04leachim6before I ask this, I wanna let you know, I already searched the site, and tried everything on there....
02:55:16leachim6I've got a sansa fuze v1 with the latest rockbox on it, I can't get Pictureflow to refresh
02:55:25leachim6I even deleted all the files in the .rb/rocks/demos/pictureflow folder
02:55:31leachim6no dice
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03:00:50leachim6anyone?
03:01:05larrythechampHello
03:02:35leachim6hey, can you help me with pictureflow
03:03:08larrythechampNo. I'm not much of a dev.
03:03:11larrythechampSorry
03:05:04larrythechampWhat is pictureflow?
03:05:14leachim6it's not complicated
03:05:21leachim6I just need to know how to make the pictureflow db refresh
03:06:19larrythechampOh. So it shows pictures? Wouldn't u need to refresh it after adding anything?
03:06:31leachim6if you don't know what it is, then you cant' help me.
03:06:31leachim6:(
03:08:32larrythechampI'm sorry.
03:08:40leachim6hah, it's ok, I figured it out
03:08:44leachim6but pictureflow is a really cool plugin
03:08:51leachim6do you know Coverflow in iTunes?
03:08:59larrythechampOh. Yes. I hate it
03:09:09leachim6oh.
03:09:46larrythechampThat's just because it's iTunes.
03:10:02leachim6wel, it's pretty cool to have Coverflow on a Sandisk Sansa......
03:10:04leachim6just saying
03:10:40larrythechampI would agree. I remember when I first decided to mess with rockbox
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03:11:20larrythechampI wish it is on more current idevices.
03:11:33leachim6IDK.....
03:11:38leachim6it's not really fit for the IOS devices
03:12:16larrythechampThat is true. Rockbox is like jailbreak before jailbreak.
03:12:35larrythechampIt would be great to see it on the nano with the camera
03:12:43leachim6oh, that's true
03:13:06larrythechampYea. So are you a dev?
03:13:26leachim6nope
03:13:45larrythechampOh.
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03:16:40[Saint]leachim6: Have you tried the actual pictureflow setting to rebuild the cache?
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03:17:37leachim6[Saint], yeah, I found it by accident
03:17:40leachim6[Saint], thanks
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03:17:50leachim6is there any way to add pictureflow to the main menu without rebuilding?
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03:18:03[Saint]"Pictureflow Settings - Rebuild Cache - "Cache will be rebuilt on next restart""
03:18:12[Saint]Oh, right...glad you found it.
03:18:17leachim6yeah, I didn't find that menu until after I deleted the files manually haha
03:18:23[Saint]And, no. There isn't.
03:19:00[Saint]You'll need to set up a dev environment (if you haven't got on eset up already) and add it to the main menu yourself.
03:19:13[Saint]It really is quite trivial if you know what you're doing.
03:19:39leachim6I had a rockbox build for iPod5g on my other machine, but I think I've wiped it since then
03:19:48leachim6If I recall correctly, it wasn't too hard to set up
03:19:50leachim6I'm pretty savvy
03:20:23tmzt_sorry, did the compile used change?
03:20:43tmzt_to eabi?
03:20:52tmzt_so I can use codesourcery then?
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03:23:43krazykittmzt_, i believe all the arm ports use eabi by default now
03:24:07tmzt_where would I get the correct compiler then? cs is arm-none-eabi and that doesn't work
03:24:38krazykitrockboxdev.sh
03:24:43[Saint]tmzt_: By running rockboxdev.sh
03:24:46tmzt_okay
03:25:18[Saint]it will ask which toolchains you want to build, then (not surprisingly) build them ;)
03:25:26tmzt_helpful
03:25:58tmzt_I'll be happy if usb storage works, much nicer than db rebuilds and the only thing I'm still missing from e2x0
03:26:16[Saint]it's in <path_to_source>\rockbox\tools\
03:26:25[Saint]re: rockboxdev.sh ^
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07:35:01alexbobPif I have an ipod nano how do I figure out whihc hardware version it is?
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07:36:43alexbobPoh, found the model number
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07:37:00alexbobPso I'm hosed with a 5th generation ipod nano, eh...
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07:51:54tmzt_not sure the 2g was ever fully ported, even if the security and ftl issues were solved (if they were)
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08:53:44[Saint]tmzt_: The Nano 2G runs Rockbox quite well in fact.
08:54:01[Saint]It is one of the most powerful targets in fact, CPU wise.
08:54:48[Saint](in reference to: [17:52] <tmzt_> not sure the 2g was ever fully ported, even if the security and ftl issues were solved (if they were))
08:55:22amiconnNothing compared to the beast ;)
08:55:42[Saint]Well, this is true ;)
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10:35:10kristinuk21can someone take a quick look at FS #11616 and provide some hints about the cause / how to solve it ?
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10:43:40[Saint]kristinuk21: I'm sure someone will at some point.
10:45:44kristinuk21thanks,
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12:53:10drizztbsdhi
12:53:33drizztbsdwhat is the problem of "No undervolting yet"?
12:53:43drizztbsdbattery will descarge quicky?
12:54:55S_a_i_n_twhere are you seeing this?
12:56:36drizztbsdhttp://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IPodNano2GPort
12:56:37S_a_i_n_tdrizztbsd: ^
12:56:37S_a_i_n_t?
12:56:46drizztbsdI have an ipod nano 2g
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12:57:23S_a_i_n_tAh, right...all that means is that the CPU isn't using any undervolting when it possibly could be...so it theoretically could save power there.
12:57:41S_a_i_n_tHowever, I have several Nano2Gs and the battery life certainly isn't an issue.
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13:00:17S_a_i_n_ts/unsrable/unasable/
13:00:52S_a_i_n_tgah! *unusable ;)
13:01:27S_a_i_n_tIt's actually a very good player to run Rockbox on, in my opinion.
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15:13:45sutrannuResuming after boot resets playback speed (timestreatch) to default (0). I can find no mention of this. Bug? Feature? Known?
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15:20:54gevaertssutrannu: feature
15:22:10gevaertsI believe the timestretch numbers are saved in bookmarks though
15:23:40sutrannugevaerts: Most annoying feature, fo me personally. Do you have any links or info? Can't imagine I'm the only one who hates setting it back to 150% 100 times a day.
15:23:55sutrannuright, but auto..... shout be auto....
15:24:15gevaertsIt's been discussed here a few times
15:25:42gevaertsFor other people the reverse behaviour would be equally annoying really.
15:25:55sutrannuI'm guessing that adding a setting would be out of the question. Also assuming that resume is not looking at the bookmark, but recalling the file.
15:26:24sutrannubut if it did look at the bookmark.... everybody's happy.
15:27:09gevaertsI don't really look forward to a setting that configures whether something else should be treated as a setting to be honest...
15:27:35gevaertshm
15:28:02gevaertsSaving in the resume info might indeed make sense
15:30:01sutrannuI haven't looked at the code, but resume-last-book-mark has to be there, and already is a setting. If resume followed the same methodology, it would make sence to me. I can only assume it would make sence others.
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15:36:43gevaertsI think we somehow overlooked an option. We decided against treating those numbers as regular settings (because that would make them *too* permanent, which is annoying if you e.g. listen to an audiobook one day, boot the next day and play some music), but maybe the playlist control file (which has the resume information) should contain them
15:42:25sutrannu... or (guessing) if, after the control file determined the file to resume, it looked for a bookmark, and the resume-last setting, and acted accordingly.
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15:43:27sutrannuor maybe that's what you meant
15:43:47gevaertsNo. Bookmarks are really separate from resume
15:44:19gevaertsAnd I don't think it's practical to look for bookmarks anyway. Too much disk to search
15:44:34amiconnkugel: Care to elaborate r28052? Seems completely unnecessary to me...
15:47:35sutrannuWell, that makes it clearer as to why it works the way it does. Anything I can/should do to encourage a second look at the points you brought up?
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15:48:32gevaertsMaybe a post in the feature ideas forum?
15:48:53sutrannuWill do. Thank you for your help.
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18:09:35leachim6hey hey
18:14:09leachim6I keep trying to save my current playlist....
18:14:22leachim6and it goes "13 tracks" even though there are 30
18:14:27leachim6and the playlist isn't getting saved
18:14:32leachim6like it's getting stuck on #14 or something
18:16:21marazdoes #14 have special characters in its filename?
18:16:30leachim6let me check
18:16:49leachim6nope
18:17:02leachim6so I qued up all the tracks I want....
18:17:27leachim6then I hold middle, go to playlist, select current playlist
18:17:32leachim6hit the play/pause button
18:18:00leachim6it just flashes a mesage too quick to read
18:18:03leachim6and the playlist isn't saved!
18:18:04leachim6wtf!
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18:20:03LloreanQueued tracks don't get saved.
18:20:06leachim6nevermind, I got it.
18:20:11leachim6I used the catalog instead
18:20:13leachim6I was doing it wrong
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18:35:36gevaertsAm I correct when I count 25 bytes maximum in use in nvram?
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18:53:33S_a_i_n_tbluebrother: Ping?
18:54:42S_a_i_n_tI have made quite a few changes to the 'iLike Nano' theme, was wondering if you wanted to give it a whirl on device and tell me what you think before I update it on the themesite.
18:55:03S_a_i_n_thttp://www.datafilehost.com/download-2ac3f46e.html <−− iLike for Nano 1st/2nd Generation
18:55:54S_a_i_n_tor maraz also: ^
18:56:10S_a_i_n_t(you have a Nano, no?)
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19:35:45kugelamiconn: the comment explains it, doesn't it?
19:35:58amiconnTo me, it doesn't
19:36:29amiconnOn single core targets, nothing needs to be flushed/ committed at that place
19:36:38amiconns/place/point/
19:36:50kugel"invalidate icache for copied code"
19:37:13amiconnDo we have *any* target with separate icache and dcache?
19:37:19kugelyes
19:37:20kugelseveral
19:37:25amiconnWhich ones?
19:37:58kugelsansa ams, gigabeat f/x, mrobe 500, nano2g
19:38:00amiconnAlso, bss and idata doesn't contain code, so this is still unnecessary
19:38:20kugelit's not idata, it's icode+idata
19:38:42amiconnAnd iram isn't cached afaik. Gigabeat f/x doesn't use iram at all
19:39:03amiconnThe way you changed it, many targets do an unnecessary flush now
19:39:11kugeliram is cached on some at least (e.g sansa ams)
19:39:27amiconnOk, the ams may need it
19:39:43amiconnMost others don't (except pp, which had it before)
19:40:13amiconnEven on ams you don't need to invalidate the dcache though
19:40:17kugelso? does it hurt? no it doesn't
19:40:38kugelthat code is on codec startup, which happens very rarely
19:40:38amiconnyes
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19:41:37amiconnWell, in this case it's not a big penalty, but this is one example that cache handling needs to be adjusted by target architecture
19:41:52amiconnThere isn't one method that fits all
19:43:51kugelsee what I and Torne have been talking about the past few days, there ought to be a semantic (e.g. not cache_invalidate() but fixup_caches_after_loading_code() which is implemented as needed by the platforms) but why tchange but as long as that, this change is the safest and future proof approach
19:44:04kugelsemantic change*
19:44:46kugelthis startup code is by no means performance sensitive so I don't really care about whether targets X need it and targets Y don't
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19:46:47amiconnNo, but it is confusing this way, at least to me
19:47:05amiconnAnd if I'm not missing something it's still wrong
19:47:58amiconnOn targets with separate i and d caches (and only those), it would be necessary to flush dcache and invalidate icache after loading the codec but before calling it, i.e. in the core
19:48:26kugelI think before or after doesn't matter
19:48:43amiconnAnd if you invalidate icache there, you don't need to do it in the codec startup anymore, because the area in question (icode) cannot have been called inbetween
19:49:00amiconnIt does matter, because you call code you just loaded
19:49:05kugelthere's a seperate invalidate() call for loading the codec, this invalidate() is for iram copying
19:49:23amiconnIf there is an invalidate, I can't find it
19:49:31kugellc_open()
19:50:53amiconnHmm, that's not in codecs.c?
19:51:20amiconnAlso, as I already stated, if icache is invalidated there, it's unnecessary to do it again in codec startup
19:51:54kugelr27902
19:52:34kugelyes, that's a good point indeed, but it seems like a hack to rely on that to me
19:52:36leachim6what do you guys think the coolest features of rockbox are that aren't in the official firmwares?
19:52:43leachim6besides like, FLAC support, and file system browsing
19:53:23amiconnah, okay
19:53:53gevaertsleachim6: *which* original firmware?
19:54:04leachim6hm
19:54:06leachim6let's say iPod
19:54:11bertrikleachim6, more codecs, ability to modify the firmware, more runtime on some targets
19:54:19amiconnIt's not a hack. If you load a codec, invalidate the cache, and call it, *nothing* from the iram area can be cached in icache before iram init
19:54:58amiconnAnything that would branch there would result in an instant crash
19:55:20bertrikleachim6, also drinking beer at rockbox devcon
19:56:05kugelwell, ci->memcpy() is often iram, I don't know how the icache works on all possible systems but it seems theoretically possible to me that that call might lead to caching iram
19:56:45kugel(regardless of the fact that ci->memcpy isn't in codec iram of course)
19:57:40kugelanyway, it's save now, and the penalty to 0
19:57:51kugelsafe*
19:57:56kugeltends to 0*
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20:07:33amiconnci->memcpy() is *core* iram, not codec/plugin
20:08:11amiconnIt will cause some code from iram to be cached on targets with cached iram, but never from the area in question
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20:20:47leachim6how does rockbox compare to podzilla?
20:21:14S_a_i_n_tIt doesn't.
20:21:21leachim6yeah yeah
20:21:28leachim6I've never used podzilla
20:21:32leachim6what's the difference
20:21:55S_a_i_n_tWell, Rockbox is actively maintained...for one thing.
20:22:48S_a_i_n_tIf you want to learn about IPL though, I'd suggest that this probably isn't the best place to do so.
20:23:01leachim6I don't.
20:23:04leachim6I use rockbox
20:23:06leachim6I was just curious
20:23:07leachim6damn
20:23:25leachim6but then again
20:23:34leachim6I guess rockbox isn't really trying to compete with anyone
20:23:42S_a_i_n_tplease don't use the Enter key as a form a punctuation.
20:24:07S_a_i_n_tAnd no, Rockbox is ROckbox...IPL is IPL.
20:24:16S_a_i_n_tbah! *Rockbox
20:25:42leachim6well, IIRC IPL takes like 32 laborious steps to setup on "not fully supported" devices
20:25:49leachim6the installer supports like....Ipod3g
20:25:55leachim6and it takes like an hour to install
20:26:04leachim6....rockbox takes 45 seconds
20:26:12leachim6I accidentally installed it twice because I didn't realize it took the first time
20:26:18scorcheleachim6: if you want to talk about IPL, you can do it somewhere else....this channel is for the discussion of rockbox
20:26:24leachim6I KNOW!
20:26:31leachim6I was just making a point
20:26:36leachim6fine I'll shutup.
20:26:49leachim6I guess I should've said this business in the #rockbox-community channel, yes?
20:26:56S_a_i_n_tErrrr....a few things there are wildly incorrect, but, this is also *very* off-topic.
20:27:07scorchewe have a social channel for this sort of stuff...
20:27:14leachim6like I said "If I recall correctly", which I, obviously, do not.
20:27:25leachim6anyhow, I'm gonna stop talking now :/
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21:19:01funmanbertrik: i am looking at fs#11453
21:20:29funmani am not sure how it can sometime work with playback stopped / never started. does it mean CGU_AUDIO would be in an unknown state?
21:21:22bertrikI haven't really looked at the latest findings
21:21:47bertrikI was thinking that maybe the PCM was stopped by stopping its clock before it could completely deactivate MCLK
21:22:04leachim6there's a spectrum emulator in here too!?!?
21:22:08leachim6and a gameboy/gbc emulator!
21:22:10leachim6holy crap!
21:22:16leachim6this stuff needs to be on the front page!
21:30:52funmanbertrik: http://pastie.org/1150791 , how does this look?
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21:34:08Gatz85hey i have a few question about the usbstack
21:35:46funmanGatz85: don't ask to ask, just ask!
21:35:53Gatz85Endpoint_Discard_Stream(8, NO_STREAM_CALLBACK); Endpoint_ClearOUT():Endpoint_Write_Byte(hub_int_response)
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21:36:23Gatz85ok those are calls in my program useing arm would the be equal calls in the stack
21:36:41Gatz85avr*
21:37:20Gatz85not arm
21:37:24funmanbertrik: this patch doesn't work if i follow the penultimate comment of Fabien Vogel
21:38:59Gatz85i got the whole stack sitting in front of me now just cant seem to find what im looking for
21:39:40gevaertsGatz85: what's that supposed to do? I don't know the avr usb api...
21:40:48bertrikfunman, hmm, ok. Somehow I don't think that stopping PLLB is the right thing to do though.
21:41:16Gatz85not really sure load the libs for the avr and its stright calls to the chip
21:41:32Gatz85so i assume that they do what there call
21:41:37Gatz85called*
21:42:09gevaertswell, maybe, but "discard stream" still doesn't actually mean anything for USB, so I assume that's controller specific
21:43:31Gatz85what about write byte would you think that would be something like int usb_drv_send_nonblocking(int endpoint, void* ptr, int length);
21:44:11gevaertsyes, if you want to send data, that's the one you need
21:46:10Gatz85ok thanks alot thought i was shooting my self in the foot with this one
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21:50:17fmlHello. Hasn't Clip v1 been promoted to the stable status? It's not on the front page.
21:51:17funmanfml: one of the swedes need to update the front page
21:56:11fmlFS #11473 has some more comments so that I feel empowered and obliged to ask again: who is pro and who is contra the feature? (One bookmark per track)
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21:59:42pixelmacan you explain to me what it adds (in functionality) compared to the "unique only" bookmark feature? I don't use bookmarks except if I want to test something with them so maybe have a wrong impression...
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22:01:01fmlpixelma: "unique" keeps one bookmark per playlist. The new option keeps one BM per track.
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22:06:51pixelmaI see
22:08:06MItalyHello, I've seen that some user today complained about the Brickmania bug;
22:08:21MItalyhowever, some time ago I wrote a patch to at least workaround the issue (http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/10959#comment36803)
22:08:35MItalywhat should I do to get it merged in the SVN?
22:10:52funmanMItaly: i think it would be better to separate bugfix and new features
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22:11:11MItalyok, this is quite feasible
22:11:30MItalyanyhow, for me the only "new feature" is the savegame thing
22:11:43funmanthe undocumented guidelines for patch submission to SVN includes: "come on IRC and ask a developer to look at it"
22:11:58funmanMItaly: also the suicide, no?
22:12:05MItalyyes, you're right
22:12:30MItalyoriginally I thought it as the general workaround for those kind of problems
22:12:45MItalysince the offscreen ball check checks just if the ball is offscreen
22:12:58saratogathe IRC thing is documented, it says so on Flyspray!
22:13:09MItalyonce it happened (I don't know how, it was an old build) that the ball got stuck in the middle of the screen
22:13:21MItalythe offscreen ball check wouldn't catch this (although I may add it)
22:13:29funmansaratoga: ah sorry, i have missed it :)
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22:15:07MItalyBTW, the previous patch features just the offscreen ball check workaround
22:15:36MItalyso they are actually already separated
22:16:07funmanMItaly: ok, can you just remove the "MI:" from comments?
22:16:15MItalyno problem
22:16:25funmanthis info will be available in svn/git blame already
22:16:57funmanalso i'm not sure if the plugin should report it's internal errors to user ;)
22:17:12MItalythe user is dumb and mustn't know :D
22:17:23fmlpixelma: so what do you think? Let me guess. You think "I don't care since I don't use bookmarks", right? :-)
22:17:25funmancouldn't the ball just be placed on screen and the game continue?
22:17:58MItalywhere should the ball be placed? when we detect the problem is already gone offscreen
22:18:17MItalyhmm, maybe there's a solution
22:18:31MItalywe can get it back using its current speed to track it back on screen
22:18:57pixelmafml: indeed. Obviously I can't comment on usefulness nor coding style
22:19:23MItalyin this case the tolerance for the offscreen check should be reduced, otherwise the ball would disappear for a while and then reappear in the "right" place
22:19:44funmani dont know this game but can't you find all the places which update the ball position?
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22:20:18MItalyit can be done, but the problem seems to be in the collision detection algorithm
22:20:30MItalythis was intended just as a workaround
22:20:40MItalyto avoid losing the ball in the space :)
22:20:53MItalyand at least not having an unusable savegame
22:21:40fmlpixelma: Then I'll let it hibernate for another X days
22:21:44funmani'm not against having a workaround for a bug but if it's clearly marked as such
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22:31:03alexbobPwhat filesystems does rockbox support? just fat32?
22:31:09alexbobPit would be nice to use a journaling filesystem, if I can
22:31:30gevaertsit also supports fat16
22:31:40alexbobPoh... well that's not better than fat32 XD
22:31:53gevaertsDepends on the filesystem size :)
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22:32:04alexbobPI thought fat16 was just older
22:32:06*alexbobP googles
22:32:23MItalyIIRC different file systems support it's exactly in the NODO list
22:32:29gevaertsIt is, but FAT32 doesn't gain you anything on a 1GB player
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22:33:27alexbobPMItaly: NODO?
22:33:28gevaertsAnd yes, most of us are convinced that more filesystems are not worth the effort
22:33:37alexbobPI have a 4GB player
22:33:39MItalyhttp://www.rockbox.org/wiki/NoDo
22:33:59alexbobPah, I see
22:34:12alexbobPlist of features to not implement XD
22:34:24MItalyToDo vs NoDo :)
22:35:22gevaertsThere's one filesystem we probably *would* accept, and that's HFS for ipods
22:35:39gevaertsIf it's done properly of course
22:35:41alexbobPwhat I want is journaling
22:36:01krazykitwhy? do you write often enough to your DAP?
22:36:02alexbobPfat32 is a pain because if a write fails for some reason, like computer crash or premature unplug, you often have to reformat the whole drive
22:36:19alexbobPkrazykit: yes, I listen to podcasts so I'm always reloading it
22:36:30gevaertsYou could mount it in synchronous mode
22:37:00alexbobPa journaling filesystem will still get corrupted in sychronous mode if something happens while writing
22:37:05alexbobPall that does is prevent write buffering
22:37:20*gevaerts suspects a missing "non-"
22:37:26MItalybut, statistically, how often "something" happens?
22:37:45MItalyI may be very lucky, but I didn't experience any problem transferring files on my fuze...
22:37:47alexbobPnot that often, I've been careful!
22:37:57gevaertsTrue, but it will get corrupted in a way that repair tools can usually fix
22:38:06alexbobPusually
22:38:17alexbobPI had to reformat my microsd card though, because of corruption
22:38:23alexbobPI was writing to it with my laptop when the batt died
22:39:02alexbobPanyawys it's not that big a deal, I was just wondering
22:39:05alexbobPa journaling fs would be nice
22:39:17alexbobPa much higher priority for me would be having gnugo ;)
22:39:31*gevaerts advises learning to like chess instead
22:41:04alexbobPoh, I already like chess
22:41:08alexbobPnot nearly as much though
22:41:10alexbobPgo is way cooler
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22:45:06alexbobPon the doitright page, there's teh text "We are not opposed to a scandisk plugin, but will not accept scandisk functionality in the core. "
22:45:10alexbobPwhat would a scandisk plugin do?
22:46:50MItalywhat scandisk/chkdsk does, I think
22:46:58MItalycheck the filesystem for errors and fix them
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22:48:49Gatz85how many interfaces can the usb stack handle at one thim just refuring to first_interface; and last_interface_ does this creaite mutplie interfaces for the same driver???
22:51:02Gatz85like if i where to set the hid driver to two interfaces(minus the handling code) would it create two seprate interfaces
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22:52:23gevaertsIf you change the hid driver to request two interfaces in usb_hid_set_first_interface(), it will be expected to provide descriptors for two interfaces
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22:53:32Gatz85is that limited by witch DAP your coding for or is that done all in the threads of the stack???
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22:55:27alexbobPoh I see
22:55:47alexbobPI was thinking of scanning media collections, which rockbox already does, hence my confusion
22:55:50gevaertsThe hardware doesn't care about interfaces
22:56:18Gatz85thanks again
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