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#rockbox log for 2010-09-13

00:01:50AlexPon the wiki if anywhere
00:01:55AlexPSansaRuntime IIRC
00:02:39JustAnotherGuestyeah but thats old runtime list
00:02:51AlexPNo, that's the only runtime list
00:03:03JustAnotherGuestim asking about private opinions ;)
00:03:05AlexPIf there aren't any recent ones, then nobody has done any
00:03:11AlexPopinions are pointless
00:03:14JustAnotherGuestin changelog latest change is related to rsansa runtime ;o
00:03:15AlexPYou need measurements
00:03:29JustAnotherGuestwondering should i upgrade
00:03:34AlexPOf course
00:04:00AlexPThings get better all the time :)
00:04:33JustAnotherGuestim just scarred of bricking as theres no way back
00:04:34JustAnotherGuestlag,,,
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00:04:52AlexPThe bootloader is the dangerous bit, updating Rockbox isn't
00:07:03JustAnotherGuestyou know, on anything butipod forums some people didnt update rockbox on purpose, claiming that older versions made batter runtime longer
00:07:17JustAnotherGuestbut that was like few months ago
00:07:26AlexPabi is not a very reliable source of information
00:07:32JustAnotherGuestafaik it was fixed in more recent rlelase
00:07:36scorcheJustAnotherGuest: well, there is an easy way to test as well...
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00:07:48AlexPI'm not saying either way, just that I wouldn't rely on it
00:07:50gevaertsThat's *entirely* up to them. Just remember that we don't anything other than the latest release or the latest current build
00:08:09AlexPgevaerts: miss a "support" there somewhere?
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00:08:22gevaertsAlexP: yes, that's what I was trying to get at :)
00:08:35gevaerts(missing support on random builds)
00:09:20JustAnotherGuestscorche: by easy, do you mean running certain mp3 playlist for 15h or so?
00:09:37scorcheif that is how long it takes, yes
00:09:56JustAnotherGuestyeah around that
00:09:59AlexPUse the battery bench plugin
00:10:08JustAnotherGuestits still superior to OF which had 7-9h of runtime
00:10:19AlexPThen you can add it to SansaRuntime and have a recent measurement for other people
00:10:27scorcheyou just set the battery bench, play the playlist, and not touch it for a while...quite easy ;)
00:12:57JustAnotherGuestindeed
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02:47:47Blue_DudeHi. Now that the hotkey setting mechanism changed, does anyone want to recommit r25665 again? It was an ipod keymap change that made it easier to use hotkeys but interfered in other ways when setting them. That flaw isn't an issue anymore. Can someone test it so we can clear FS #11617? Thanks.
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03:47:04shuffle2http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/firmware/target/arm/usb-drv-arc.c?annotate=25328
03:47:21shuffle2can anyone explain what the error on line 777 *means*?
03:47:36shuffle2i'm not sure where qh->status is supposed to be modified in the first place
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03:56:41shuffle2"After a transfer is complete, the dTD status DWord is updated in the dTD pointed to by the currentTD pointer."
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03:57:07shuffle2uhhh wrong status field...
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04:03:16shuffle2mmm my problem is probably that usb_core's response_data is declared with USB_DEVBSS_ATTR
04:03:38shuffle2i just try and send the data without copying it to such a location first
04:04:25shuffle2so um...i hope there's a lot of space there? or that i can throw away anything else there :>
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04:15:26shuffle2ya, qh->status == DTD_STATUS_HALTED there
04:15:51shuffle2could this be happening because control_received() is called during the send?
04:17:12shuffle2nope...i have no clue :(
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04:33:46shuffle2i've added the attribute to all my data and it didn't help at all :/
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05:49:23shuffle2http://pastie.org/private/20v4mztwfvw566y0s6355g slightly better...still not exactly sure what the problem is..besides the apparent control packet coming while sending data... :/
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06:39:13shuffle2mkay, pretty sure it's just the usb interface being angry at threading...which i should've expected
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09:04:15JdGordon|petur: you seen http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=25690 ?
09:05:39peturnow I have ;)
09:06:25petursounds like an interesting feature, yes
09:06:37peturlet's find a button for it :)
09:06:39JdGordon|leave it in your capable hands?
09:06:51peturJdGordon|: no way ;)
09:07:29peturI'm doing renovation works on the house I bought, and I want it to be ready by november. So no time at all
09:08:09JdGordon|meh :) does anyone know the recording code?
09:08:28peturit's pretty simple
09:08:50JdGordon|using the trigger thing it can autosplit files right?
09:09:02peturjust stuff it in the keyhandler...
09:09:15peturautosplit could also create cue files :)
09:09:42peturIf I think much longer about it I'll start implementing :D
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09:12:59JdGordon|yeah, well if the autosplit code is there I assume it cant be too much effort to add cue support
09:13:35JdGordon|I'm actually a bit surprised cue support hasnt been there since the beginingg... it seems like an obviously required feature for live recordings
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09:23:28siebz0rI was wondering what the status was on the sansa v2
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09:25:21funmansiebz0r: go on the website and click on the sansa links
09:39:30siebz0rit says usb 80% (random failure). But I would like to know more
09:43:36funmaneverything we know is on this page, USB will be activated when it works fine
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09:45:53pamauryshuffle2: ping
09:46:34siebz0rfunman: k, thnx
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10:16:40gevaertsshuffle2: qh->status is written by the hardware. Also, USB sending and revceiving can be done from a different thread, I've done that in the past
10:17:52GodEater<JdGordon>ARGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!</JdGordon>
10:18:22JdGordon|hrm?
10:18:38JdGordon|and no.. the H's are silent... its AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
10:19:00*GodEater is suffering at the hands of dodgy Windows software again
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10:39:15Distruberhi everyone
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10:40:00DistruberDoes anyone know if PictureFlow is avaible for Sansa Fuze v2?
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10:51:19pixelmahttp://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-sansafuzev2/rockbox-buildch11.html#x14-22400011.2.10
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10:53:33DistruberThanks
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15:09:15solexx_pixelma: thanks for suggesting switching the theme. I will try that this evening (CEST).
15:10:04pixelmacan you tell me the exact revision you have problems with too?
15:12:03solexx_pixelma: No, not exactly. I am compiling from a mercurial-clone I am using. But I always build latest trunk and it is broken for some time now.
15:12:56Torneif your hg clone doesn't have the ability to identify svn revision numbers then i suggest not using hg
15:13:02Tornegit and bzr can :)
15:13:05Tornei'm sure hg can too, tbh
15:13:08solexx_But I just tried your suggestion and you appear to be on the right path: switching to the default theme makes the problem go away. When loading iAmp.cfg, it hangs again. Iriver H120 btw. ;-)
15:13:55solexx_Torne: yeah, probably that's possible. But I cannot look it up now, don't have access to that machine.
15:14:26JdGordonsolexx_: FS #11614 might solve your problem
15:14:47*JdGordon guesses it is that problem if the h100 is involved
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15:16:40solexx_JdGordon: thanks I'll try that
15:17:29gevaertsJdGordon: could you add some info there about what that patch is supposed to do, or why it exists? FS patches aren't really useful without any context
15:18:01JdGordonit exists because i needed somewhere to store the diff... it does ideally nothing other than clean up code
15:18:33pixelmainfo which bugs could potentially solve might be interesting too
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15:18:54solexx_BTW, ipodVOL doesn't trigger the bug, but iAmp and iCatcher do.
15:18:55gevaertsJdGordon: that would be useful info :)
15:19:04JdGordonsure would... considering it isnt done specifically to fix any
15:19:12JdGordon^ pixelma
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15:19:45pixelmathere are three I'm aware of (don't know if related or not)
15:19:48gevaertsJdGordon: I mean, I'd be mostly happy with "General cleanup of the skin system/loader/whatever. No functional changes"...
15:20:06gevaertsJust "skin manager" really tells me nothing
15:20:45JdGordonlike I said, the only reason it is there is because i needed somewhere to put it. I think i had 5min to upload that before running to the airport
15:21:08JdGordonotherwise i would be commiting this without bothering to put it up
15:23:03gevaertsIf you don't want review, I think flyspray is the wrong place
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15:24:09pixelmait would be nice if people could test before committing but then they'd have to know what they should test for
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15:24:12JdGordonI'd gladly accept a review if someone wanted to... I'm admiting to abusing flyspray, no need to keep at it
15:25:07gevaertsYou could edit the task now and add a one line description
15:28:25solexx_JdGordon: I can at least test a few things on my Iriver H120, if you wish.
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15:28:49JdGordonnothing really to test, if you are experiencing the crash that I assume you are it should just work
15:29:15JdGordonall that patch does is change how skins are loaded, either it works or it doesnt
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15:33:37solexx_JdGordon: ok
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15:37:36JdGordonhere's trouble! :D
15:37:46giovanni_I need a little help http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=25098.0
15:39:10giovanni_it's quite complicated :)
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15:45:53pixelmasolexx_: your problem was that the player sometimes hung at the "Loading..." splash when actually starting playback?
15:46:57JdGordongiovanni_: it is probably a recent commit which broke that... let me check the rev number
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15:47:40JdGordongrr
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15:52:07giovanni_JdGordon: so what is the problem in my code?
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15:53:31JdGordonnothing probably
15:53:42JdGordoni replied to the fourm
15:53:47JdGordonI assume my fix broke it
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15:54:31giovanni_do I need to do something in the .wps code?
15:54:59JdGordonno, try that wps with the revision i suggested
15:55:52JdGordonif that commit was the problem then tell me and I'll revert it (it apprently didnt fix the bug 100% anyway)
15:56:56Stummiare there already open hardware projects for mp3-players?
15:57:11giovanni_ok, it will be difficult for me to build that revision
15:57:44giovanni_I need an help
15:57:44JdGordonok, hang on...
15:57:51JdGordondo you do your own builds?
15:58:18giovanni_not really, only sometimes
15:58:24giovanni_I am able to
15:58:49JdGordonok, so run "svn up -r27982" and then the build as normal
15:59:11giovanni_ok
15:59:53giovanni_I get error after make
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16:00:08giovanni_maybe my build einvoirment is broken...
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16:01:06giovanni_I'll try again
16:01:39JdGordonmake clean
16:01:52giovanni_exactly what I've done
16:02:03JdGordonmake reconf
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16:11:22giovanni_done, making the zip and testing
16:14:23giovanni_same problem
16:14:29shuffle2pamaury, pong
16:14:53giovanni_the device freeze at the last 10 seconds of the last track in playlist
16:14:57JdGordongiovanni_: ok, hmm... need to break in with the debugger then... open a bug for it
16:15:12JdGordonattach the theme zip
16:15:25giovanni_ok
16:16:08giovanni_also I've got problems with the touchscreen setting regions you made for me last time
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16:17:00giovanni_or it is the %?St ?
16:17:16giovanni_maybe with the %?St
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16:21:57redictableGot a question to ask i would like to control my WMP with my ipod nano 1st gen but i can't find the setting in the settings menu as described in the manual...some knows how to control the WMP via ipod nano 1st gen?
16:22:44evilnickYou can't find the setting? Doesn't the manual tell you exactly how to access it?
16:23:03giovanni_http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11626
16:23:38giovanni_JdGordon: Done, added the bug
16:26:02redictableyeah well it tells it exactly but there isn't such an settings entry
16:26:24redictablei downloaded the simulator as well and theres neither such an entry or maybe im just to stupid to see it...
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17:00:34solexx_pixelma: yes, the player hung when I started playback. Switching to the iAmp made the player hang as well.
17:01:05JdGordonmy plan is to load backdrops and maybe fonts after all skins so when there isnt enough buffer it is obvious that was the failure and not a parse error
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17:09:35darkhamhi people, in fuzev1, with a screen light at level 3, and the weel light disabled, what's almost the battery charge time if playing flac files and using plugins?
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17:14:29Lloreandarkham: Do a battery bench and find out. It's not like there's a calculator somewhere someone can just put the settings in and know, and it varies based on how old your player is and how hot the weather is around you anyway.
17:15:11darkhamLlorean, i would do it, how can i let the screen always on?
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17:16:21darkhami'm seeing SansaRuntime, and i see the v2 with longest duration in rockbox than v1
17:16:39darkhamwhat's the known reason?
17:17:39alexbobPdarkham: settings > general > display > lcd > backlight
17:17:47alexbobPand you can set the timer to disabled
17:17:56alexbobPer, set backlight to "on"
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17:18:24darkhamalexbobP, ok
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17:27:39LloreanIf you have the screen always on, it'll run a very short time
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17:43:32pixelmasolexx_: sounds a bit like http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11590 then - and I had a quick look - the ipodVOL.wps is the least complex of the ones you named. I admit being a bit curious if the bug also happens on other targets. There is another problem with loading, especially switching themes where it seems targets with remotes are affected, hard to tell them apart probably but the latter makes my M5 freeze already on chosing another theme or
17:43:33pixelmaWPS, I'm unable to even get to the WPS
17:44:55pixelmait doesn't always freeze my player but it just needs a few tries and it seems that WPS code complexity also has an influence here
17:46:21pamauryshuffle2: any success with psgroove ? did you overcome all your problems ?
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17:57:49solexx_pixelma: I am quite confident now that the WPS is the actual trigger. My Iriver freezes about 100% of the time, but I remember a few tests where it suddenly worked which made me doubt that I started the correct image. I will try JdGordon's patch when I am back home (which will take a few hours unless I am misinterpreting my progress bars).
17:58:27solexx_pixelma: Maybe it is easier to track down the bug when we have code that fixes it. :)
17:59:22shuffle2pamaury not yet :) was sleeping, now busy with other things...
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18:06:02shuffle2pamaury but if you have ideas about what is going wrong, feel free to shout them out :p
18:06:32shuffle2eventually i tried increasing the sleep() period in my psgroove thread...this lessened the usb errors, but it still dies after a bit
18:06:40pamaurywell, I don't have a PS3 to test and I don't have the code so if you don't point out a precise problem, I can't help :)
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18:12:12shuffle2well here is my current patch http://booya.dyndns.ws:666/open/rb_psgroove.patch and a log of it running http://pastie.org/private/ql9g9nfyooko1zdezewrba
18:12:22shuffle2dunno how ambitious you are ;p
18:13:12shuffle2in the pastie, line 53 is the issue. why is this usb_reset being triggered?
18:13:21shuffle2er, bus_reset*
18:14:52shuffle2i think the ps3 is sending the command to do this? i'm not sure if it's part of the hack to ignore it, or if it means an error has already appeared :(
18:15:33shuffle2tried to get a log of psgroove running successfully, but no one has been able to give me one yet
18:17:16pamauryI don't have much time, but if psgroove wiki doesn't mention the reset, then something might be wrong
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18:21:26maxi_jacHi
18:22:29maxi_jacI own a creative zen mozaic, I've seen on the site that the port is under work, and not usable for the moment, has there been some work on it since then ?
18:22:47n1snot much unfortunately
18:23:03n1sit's been stalled for some time
18:23:09maxi_jacoh
18:24:05maxi_jacAlso I'd like to know, if I flash my zen, and it brocks or whatever, does the creative software enables me to reflash it and make it work again ?
18:24:34maxi_jac*bricks
18:27:19pamauryI think lots of creative at stmp based and thus unbrickage but I need to check to be sure
18:29:06pamauryhum, this one is arm based so I don't know
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18:38:23pamauryshuffle2: the reset might be ok, since most platform do enumeration of devices in three steps: 1) read 18 bytes of the config desc 2) reset 3) read entire descriptor and so on
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18:41:46shuffle2the "WTF 40" is another concern: it means the send has failed, and 0x40 == STATUS_HALT. i noticed increasing the sleep() period in psgroove_thread reduced these errors greatly
18:41:51shuffle2huh
18:41:58shuffle2didn't mean for that to be underlined
18:42:45shuffle2anyways, with lower sleep periods, the second control request wouldn't even arrive (the one with a length of 0x12)
18:43:50shuffle2but yea, i thought of that reasoning for the reset. i guess i'll wait until i can see someone else's log
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19:50:42GodEatershuffle2: you still here?
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19:51:15shuffle2for a minute
19:51:32GodEaterI'm just catching up on your patch work
19:51:41GodEaterwhich targets does it work on? All software usb or not?
19:52:15shuffle2pp502x based platforms
19:52:26GodEaterso ipod video will do?
19:52:33shuffle2that is what i have :)
19:52:46GodEateris there anything I need to do to generate the log?
19:53:06GodEater(or you have you already written instructions somewhere that I've missed?)
19:53:34shuffle2well, you will get the same results as i do, so it's not that helpful (unless you want to work on it too)
19:53:51GodEaterah sorry, I saw earlier that you were after someone else's log?
19:54:06GodEaterperhaps I misinterpreted what you meant
19:54:12shuffle2ya, from some device which has it working properly already
19:54:18GodEateroh I see :)
19:55:02GodEaterwell I'd love to help - sadly that precious commodity time is not something I have a lot of at the moment :(
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19:57:29GodEatermaybe I can get a working log...
19:57:32GodEaterseems my nexus one has a port...
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20:26:44solexx_JdGordon: applying the patch in #11614 against current SVN worked, but my build fails: http://well-adjusted.de/~jrschulz/debug/fs11614-build.log
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20:34:01solexxJdGordon: nevermind, removing the hunks which add printfs helped.
20:35:26solexx(It's great how far you can go without knowing any C! :))
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20:43:13Gatz85anyone on?
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20:44:36AlexPGatz85: loads, just ask away :)
20:44:40Gatz85i was just wondering what the basic flow of the usb fuctions i get lost after a following a few fucntion
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20:45:23AlexPperhaps fewer who know the answer to that, wait for them to come out of hiding :)
20:46:10Gatz85yeah every one with the answers is never there when you need them lol
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20:46:51GodEaterwe see you there! You're not hiding well
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20:48:33Gatz85yeah im still trying to port PS3groove to rockbox but im lost where to start with the usb stack maybe in the usb_tick or maybe in usbcore just not sure how it starts
20:48:56funmanspeak with shuffle2
20:49:27Gatz85k thanks funman
20:49:37gevaertsit starts with usb_detect()
20:49:57alexbobPwhat's ps3groove?
20:50:27funmanalexbobP: something with playstation3 (ask google)
20:50:40Gatz85ps3groove is a exploit for the ps3 system ask google lol
20:50:40AlexPthe exploit thing
20:50:52Gatz85yeah im crazy
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20:51:02alexbobPfunman: lol, I googled it and got some forum called ps3groove
20:51:08alexbobPit was the italian ps3 community or something
20:51:34alexbobPso this exploit works for modern up-to-date playstations? awesome
20:52:11Gatz85here is the wiki http://ps3wiki.lan.st/index.php/Main_Page
20:52:15n1snope, not after the latest update
20:53:32Gatz85hehe i will never update MUhahahaha
20:53:33alexbobPaww
20:53:37alexbobPdamn sony
20:53:47alexbobPthis is why I don't buy consoles :P
20:54:17AlexPOn topic please people
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20:55:50Gatz85sorry just been spending the last week taring your guys code apart trying to implament the expliot (may i add it is very clean and formed code)
20:55:56solexxJdGordon: using iAmp doesn't hang Rockbox anymore. But I saw a little graphical glitch in the WPS the first time I tried it. Cannot reproduce it, though.
20:57:08pixelmasolexx: that's another skin loading bug
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21:20:40solexxpixelma: ah, great! :) I already started to wonder why Rockbox' trunk is always fully functional!
21:21:25n1ssolexx: we mostly introduce subtle bugs that take a while for people to spot :)
21:23:12Gatz85i see why usb_stack is way out there so many diffrent chip sets LOL
21:23:49Gatz85*seems it is
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21:53:44n1si think we support 3 different usb controllers, turns out different SoC's use the same controller quite frequently
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21:54:43Gatz85yeah witch makes for many diffrent call
21:55:05gevaertsActually, five I think
21:56:04Gatz85wow no wonder im going nuts
21:56:07n1soh, must have missed some then :)
21:56:55gevaertsThere's the ARC, AMSv1, AMSv2/nano, TCC and the one in the mr500
21:57:06gevaertsoh, wait
21:57:10gevaertsAnd the one in the ondas :)
21:57:46funmanAMSv1 and AMSv2/nano are from the same chipmaker (synopsys/designware)
21:57:52n1syeah, i though of the first 3, didn't remember the tcc and didn't know that we supported usb for mr500 or ondas
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21:59:47gevaertsfunman: actually, I *think* ARC is synopsys too these days, but I could be wrong there
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22:00:41Gatz85ok i see why it was written from the ground up now
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22:18:12hannohi, on http://www.rockbox.org/download/byhand.cgi there is a dead link
22:18:17hannohttp://download.rockbox.org/release/3.6/rockbox-sansaclip-3.6.pdf is 404
22:18:42gevaertsYes. That link isn't supposed to be there...
22:18:51gevaertsOnly it's a bit tricky to fix
22:20:17AlexP3.6 wasn't released for the clip I don't think
22:22:12Gatz85was it hold up let me check r27981- some thing seom thing
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22:57:25CIA-81New commit by 03Buschel (r28069): Clean up libfaad's fixed point implementation.
22:59:47CIA-81r28069 build result: All green
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23:03:03soapgevaerts, What is different about the iPod 60/80 manual now that you have a unified build?
23:03:20gevaertsah, right...
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23:06:56soapperhaps there IS a difference, I didn't diff them. Not sure what it would be, though.
23:08:02gevaertsThere shouldn't be
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23:23:41CIA-81New commit by 03Buschel (r28070): Further libfaad cleanup.
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23:25:14CIA-81r28070 build result: All green
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