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#rockbox log for 2010-09-15

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03:53:26krabadorhi rockbox developers, i done a battery bench on a fuze v1 (loop of a 5min flac8 file) and i had 11h42m with r28058-100909
03:54:38krabadori had a little bit more with a december rockbox version
03:54:56JdGordon|is that a "repeat all" playlist?
03:55:00JdGordon|how big is the file?
03:56:42krabadorJdGordon|, 38,4mb
03:57:09krabadorJdGordon|, on the internal memory
03:57:10JdGordon|ok then
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03:59:08krabadorJdGordon|, do you mean it's normal for a file with this size?
03:59:55JdGordon|no, I was just making sure that the bench made sense. if the file isnt bigger than the audio buffer the results are not really worth taking
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04:02:01krabadorJdGordon|, ok
04:03:06krabadorJdGordon|, what do you think about improvements for fuze v1 battery life>
04:03:07krabador?
04:03:47krabadorbetter, what fuze rockbox developers think about?
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04:04:32JdGordon|well obviously we are dissapointed... I thought everyone knows we are going for shortest possible battery time
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04:06:38krabadorJdGordon|, do you think it's for a particular reason that rockbox have this battery life on fuze
04:06:39krabador?
04:09:43JdGordon|mostly a relationship between the size of the battery and the amount of time the cpu runs at
04:10:32funmankrabador: rockbox draws that much current, if we can reduce the current it needs we'll do
04:13:31krabadorfunman, i'm sure you're working on it. there are some particular thing you're trying to optimize?
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04:13:48funmani'm not working on it
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04:14:26krabadorfunman, ops, i mean you rockbox developers :)
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04:15:59funmanno-one is working on it mostly because of no ideas. r28000 has improved battery life for me (with mp3) but past that we don't know what to do. feel free to investigate the source code and make your own modifications
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04:19:16krabadorfunman, you've no hardware idea ?
04:19:44krabadorhardware that rockbox isn't optimized to use , i mean, on fuze.
04:20:05funmankrabador: no. do you?
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04:21:17krabadorfunman, not in deep...
04:23:08krabadorfunman, maybe it can became a rockbox milestone
04:23:33krabadordon't you think?
04:23:56funmani think that if you are not working on it, it has no chance to happen; you don't agree?
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04:25:43krabadoryes, i can agree: :)
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04:27:45krabadori salute you funman , JdGordon| .
04:27:55funmanbye
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05:29:57shuffle2http://booya.dyndns.ws:666/open/usb_log.png so there is proper log on the left, and what i get on the right
05:30:32shuffle2any guesses as what's going wrong? :) gevaerts? pamaury seems gone atm...
05:33:10JdGordon|gevaerts is presumably in the land of nod atm also
05:33:14JdGordon|it being 4am there
05:33:27JdGordon|this is still to port psgroove?
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05:34:50shuffle2sadly yes, heh
05:35:36JdGordon|seems a bit silly though? didnt sony release a update which blocks it already?
05:36:16shuffle2i don't game. just hack :)
05:37:48JdGordon|why not hack something useful though? i.e make rockbox show up as a usb audio device?
05:38:49shuffle2i began a cell-related project over the summer. being able to run code on the actual hardware would be cool
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07:19:13funmani realize there are a lot of asm() where we don't mark the condition flags as clobbered
07:20:48funmanranma: did you see http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=25547.msg171777#msg171777 ? (JTAG on fuzev1)
07:21:08amiconnSeems to be unnecessary. In all cases I checked, gcc generated the exactly same code around the asm() with and without specifying cc as clobbered
07:21:40funmanamiconn: which arch?
07:21:55amiconnVarious (CF, arm and sh1)
07:21:58funmani was told some arch (like x86) assume all asm() always clobber the condition flags
07:22:54*amiconn would like a non-touch mips target
07:24:24amiconnNote that I didn't re-check with arm eabi
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07:27:28funmani can not think of a test case
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07:30:58funmanwell it assumes cc is clobbered
07:31:57amiconn[03:59:51] <JdGordon|> no, I was just making sure that the bench made sense. if the file isnt bigger than the audio buffer the results are not really worth taking <= Iirc our wiki page says that too, but afaik it is not true
07:32:08funmanhttp://pastie.org/1159939 -> updates the condflags twice even if "cc" is not in the clobber
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07:33:39JdGordon|amiconn: a 1 file playlist on repeat all *will* give different results if the file doesnt at least fill the buffer
07:34:11amiconnWell, in theory it makes sense to specify 'cc' on arm and sh, because both arch's instructions don't update flags by default. On arm it needs the 's' modifier, on sh1 there are special instructions
07:34:47amiconnJdGordon|: Afaik buffering just rebuffers the same track again and again, so it really makes no difference (unless this changed fundamentally at some point)
07:35:22funmanthere are special cases: clean_dcache() on arm926ej-s updates the flags with mcr, and thumb instructions have an implicit 's'
07:35:25JdGordon|hwcodec maybe... im 99% sure swcodec doesnt start buffering untill the playlist finishes
07:36:01amiconn'repeat all' doesn't finish.
07:36:01funmanJdGordon|: also with flash storage there might be no diff
07:36:16amiconnColdfire almost always updates flags. Some instructions don't though, e.g. all address register arithmetics
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07:36:29JdGordon|hmm, maybe it doesnt actually change the disk access time
07:37:34amiconnHwcodec definitely buffers two copies of the same track if you have a one-track playlist with a track half the size of the audio buffer. Three times with 1/3 size etc
07:37:52amiconnSwcodec definitely did the same in the beginning, and *afaik* still does
07:38:14docgnomeso... i've got a sansa fuze v1 and the database keeps getting corrupted with multiple entries for the same files. When i try to fsck the drive it says "FATs differ but appear to be intact" when i use the first fat, it just says "Leaving file system unchanged" when I do the second it presents me with some corrections to make but then no matter what I pick it says "leaving file system unchanged"
07:38:31docgnomeIt's driving me up a wall. any ideas how to fix this problem? running 3.6
07:39:16JdGordon|amiconn: yeah, you're right, it would be insteresting to see a batt bench using a-b marks which are completly in the buffer to take disk access out
07:40:23amiconnThat will be different
07:40:53*amiconn now wonders whether a-b doesn't rebuffer on hwcodec if it's within buffer limits
07:41:02*amiconn never actually used a-b repeat
07:42:08docgnomei've formated it in the sansa firmware several times
07:42:16docgnomeand it works fine for a while and then dies
07:44:03funmandocgnome: use 'fsck -w' to perform changes (rtfm dosfsck)
07:45:29docgnomewell that's fine, my real problem is this keeps happening
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09:43:59CIA-81New commit by 03funman (r28086): button driver: make repeat timings be centiseconds and not ticks ...
09:44:05CIA-81New commit by 03funman (r28087): flac: more detailed debug message
09:46:34funmanpamaury: (logs) your patch doesn't help
09:49:49*funman killed the build system
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09:53:25funmanZagor: you know what's happening with http://build.rockbox.org/dev.cgi ?
09:54:16Zagorchecking
09:54:59funmani'm out of ideas for the annoying background beat on the clipv2
09:55:00Zagor"Ending round due to lack of clients"
09:55:17Zagorseems it doesn't update the page correctly when that happens
09:55:25ranmafunman: Hmm, I'll look into it
09:55:34Zagor(and "that" happened due to a momentary network disconnect)
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09:59:52CIA-81r28086 build result: All green
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10:01:33funmancool, if there's a mistake in r28087 i won't be blamed for it ;)
10:02:30Zagorhaha
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10:04:18CIA-81r28087 build result: All green
10:05:03funman:(
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10:09:56kugelamiconn: iirc buffering has some special cases for going backwards in the buffer, playlistism size smaller than the audio buffer should be one of them
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10:18:21wodzZagor: I uploaded icon for mpio hd200 (small png in playerpics) - could you update www?
10:18:28Zagorsure
10:18:45wodzhope this is the only change needed :-)
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10:20:31JdGordEek. Its huge!
10:20:52JdGordWrong chan
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10:26:02Zagorwodz: 'hd200' is a malformed name in builds.pm. it should be 'mpiohd200'.
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10:34:51CIA-81New commit by 03wodz (r28088): Fix malformed name in builds.pm for MPIO HD200 (thx to Zagor)
10:36:13wodzZagor: I commited fix for builds.pm - please update www if this is needed
10:36:27CIA-81r28088 build result: All green
10:41:38wodzhmm now http://build.rockbox.org/ do not show HD200 at all (but http://build.rockbox.org/dev.cgi list the build)
10:41:50wodzanyone familiar with this stuff?
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10:50:03wodzWould You fix this or should i do this?
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10:56:40Zagorwodz: I'd prefer if you do it
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11:04:37CIA-81New commit by 03wodz (r28089): Change www/buildserver/builds to be in pair with builds.pm for MPIO HD200
11:05:49CIA-81New commit by 03wodz (r28090): fix target name for MPIO HD200 in tools/configure
11:06:29wodzZagor: hope this is the end of this names mangling
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11:08:23wodzargh
11:10:31LORLYIs rockbox able to rate music for the ipod nano 1st gen? Same as Windows Media Player can give a song a 1 to 5 star rating?
11:10:40CIA-81New commit by 03wodz (r28091): fix red
11:11:25n1sLORLY: yeah, rockbox has such a feature, should be in the manual somewhere
11:12:45LORLYWhat keyword should i be searching for? I got a lot of results for 'rate' but none of them are relevant. (words such as Bitrate and Seperate keep popping up)
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11:14:42n1shere http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-ipodnano1g/rockbox-buildch4.html#x7-530004.3.3 look for "Rating"
11:15:57LORLYLooks like i've got some settings to mess with. Thanks for the help n1s
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11:52:52pamauryJdGordon: just see your message at 5:37, usb audio is something difficult I already worked on (I have working code for arc driver) and which requires a bunch of modification
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11:56:00giovanni__hello
11:56:33giovanni__is it time for the ondas to be setted as unstable?
11:58:24n1sJdGordon: filling the buffer is probably only important on disk based targets to not get extra spinups, on flash the difference should be minimal
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12:02:26JdGordonwell flash access isnt free so there would be some difference
12:03:26n1sdoes it have a significant per access cost as opposed to amount of data cost?
12:03:41JdGordonI wouldnt have a clue
12:04:04JdGordonof course it is no where near as much as spindle, but still it might be slightly interesting to see numbers
12:04:16n1ssure
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12:06:27n1s(also on my fuzev1 the buffer is 4.7MB so only every nineth fill would be partial with a 38.4MB file)
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12:21:20JdGordongiovanni__: the theme you posted doesnt load in the sim?
12:21:35JdGordonI assume the hardcoded wps isnt what you want?
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12:47:17JdGordonare local variable scope rules different for swicth statements?
12:47:54JdGordonhttp://pastie.org/1118815 apparently fixes a stkov but that code is never entered in the repo steps
12:48:20JdGordonis that temp_buf put on the stack fursther up? (*the function is recursive)
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12:49:44JdGordonthat block is itself inside 2 other switch levels!
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13:10:37giovanni__JdGordon: Yes, it loads only the sbs, the wps has problem with the %St tag I think
13:10:55giovanni__I have not tried with latest build
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13:30:59giovanni_JdGordon: And that faulty code that made the onda freeze, yes, it work great on the sim.
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14:01:41Knucklehello all
14:01:49Knuckleis there someone here that can help me with an issue?
14:02:07KnuckleI just installed rockbox on my 5.5G ipod video a few days ago
14:03:16Knuckleand now whenever I connect it to my computer it goes into that black-on-white mode (looks a bit like vanilla ipod firmware but it usually only comes on if your firmware is fucked)
14:03:50Knuckleand windows is telling me I have to reinstall the firmware and offers me to get itunes to do that for me
14:04:08Knuckle(to which I obviously respond no)
14:05:38KnuckleI've checked the FAQ but I couldn't find such a device-specific issue in there
14:05:45Knucklebut I may have missed something
14:05:56n1sso does rockbox start abd work?
14:06:03n1sand*
14:07:43Knuckleyeah, it works fine until I want to put new music on it
14:08:37n1sso when you plug in usb while rockbox is running you get the emergency disk mode and itunes wants to restore the ipod?
14:08:56Knuckleyep
14:09:08Knuckleand I can disconnect it and rockbox starts working again
14:09:13Tornewhat version of rockbox have you got?
14:09:16n1sand it doesn't mount as a disk?
14:09:20Tornethat sounds like 3.5 or an older release..
14:09:26Knucklealso, I see the rockbox "connected" screen for ~1 second
14:09:26Knuckleerm
14:09:29Knuckleiirc it's 3.6
14:09:37n1sTorne: itunes shouldn't want to restore anyway, should it?
14:09:41TorneOh, er, yeah, usb is still disabled in 3.6
14:09:49Tornen1s: yes, itunes always assumes an ipod in emergency disk mode is broken
14:09:57n1sTorne: aha
14:10:01Knuckleoh
14:10:03Knucklehey
14:10:10Knucklesuddenly I can access it as a hdd
14:10:11Torneif you want to sync with itunes you need to boot the apple firmware
14:10:13Knuckleodd
14:10:20Torneand you can access it as a hard disk regardless
14:10:22KnuckleI don't want to sync with itunes
14:10:23n1sKnuckle: so either install a current build or live with it :)
14:10:55KnuckleTorne: I never used itunes anyway, foobar ftw :P
14:10:57Torneyou probably haven't told itunes not to load on connect
14:11:09KnuckleI'm sure I have
14:11:09Torneonce you do that itunes won't open when you plug it in
14:11:14Knucklewell it's more
14:11:16TorneWell, if you have then it wouldn't do this :)
14:11:24Knucklewindows going "oh shit your hdd is broken, should itunes fix it"
14:11:37Knuckleitunes doesn't actually start
14:11:38Tornei think you are misreading that
14:12:00soapDisable the iTunes service from the control panel. iTunes should not be part of the equation if you have properly disabled it.
14:12:01KnuckleI'll try to trigger it again and quote it here for future reference :)
14:12:11Tornesoap: you shouldn't even need to
14:12:14soapYea, a proper quote would clear it up.
14:12:25Tornesoap: just unchecking "open itunes on connect" in itunes, once, should be enough
14:12:39Tornethen when you plug it in, in any of the three disk modes, it should just come up as a disk
14:12:53Torneif you happen to already have itunes open and you connect it in emergency disk mode then it will, indeed, bitch
14:12:58Tornebut that message isf rom itunes, not windows
14:13:14Knucklewell this is confusing, I constantly had this issue before joining #rockbox, but now it just accepts it as a hdd -_-'
14:13:16Tornei see this stuff a lot
14:13:25Tornebecuase i do use itunes (for my iphone)
14:13:32Torneso i frequently leave it running by accident :)
14:14:30Knucklewell, I can't replicate the issue at this moment
14:14:38Knuckleif it happens again I'll take a screenshot and post it here
14:14:55Torneanyway, you might want to use a current build regardless
14:15:32KnuckleI had assumed that downloading the ipod video 30 gb build from the rockbox site would give me a recent build
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14:16:44Knuckleah, the installer isn't kept up-to-date
14:16:53TorneYes, the installer is up to date
14:17:05TorneYou have the latest release, 3.6
14:17:12TorneWe're suggsting you use the current development build
14:17:19Torneboth of which can be installed from the installer
14:17:19Knuckleah, I see
14:18:07Tornethe current build will use rockbox's own usb mode, instead of booting apple's.
14:18:15Tornesince the issues with USB charging were fixed
14:18:35Torneitunes will then leave it alone :)
14:20:33Knuckleaww
14:20:37Knuckleit broke my theme :(
14:21:03Knucklealso
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14:21:10Knuckleit triggered the error message again
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14:21:39Knuckle"Your iPod needs to be reformatted for use with Windows. Would you like to run iTunes to restore your iPod now?"
14:21:52Torneyes, the theme format has changed between 3.6 and the current builds
14:22:37Torneand that's not the restore needed message
14:22:41Tornewell, not the usual one
14:22:49Tornethat's the mssage you get if you plug a mac-formatted ipod in..
14:23:32KnuckleI've never connected the thing to a mac :/
14:23:33Knucklealso
14:23:47Knucklenow windows wants to scan and fix KNUCKLEPOD (G:) -_-'
14:23:59Knuckleonce I fell for that trick
14:24:03TorneEr, that's unrelated..
14:24:09Knuckleruined all my data
14:24:10Tornethat means you unplugged it without unmounting it at some point
14:24:14Torneand thus the filesystem might be corrupt
14:24:23TorneThat's extremely unlikely
14:24:32Knucklewell
14:24:37Knuckleit means that the filesystem's fine
14:24:38Torneit's more likely that you had already corrupted the filesystem, and thus when it fixed it you lost lots of data
14:24:42Torne:)
14:24:44Tornebecause that's what happens
14:24:44Knucklebut that windows will destroy all data if you let it scan :P
14:24:50TorneNo it doesn't.
14:25:17Knuckleactually yes, I'll not go into the details as talk about legally dubious things is not permitted here
14:25:22TorneAnyway, it sounds like your filesystem is corrupt
14:25:27Knucklebut stuff worked that was deleted afterwards :P
14:25:33Tornewhich is why the ipod service is also mis-identifying it as not being formatted right
14:26:27Tornei suggest you let it scan and fix the filesystem :)
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14:26:31Torneor do it yourself with chkdsk
14:26:43Torneand if it deletes files then, i'm sorry, but those files were corrupt ;)
14:26:58Tornechkdsk is pretty reliable; FAT is not a difficult filesystem to work on
14:28:10Knucklewell, once I had a microsd drive which I connected with a special usb stick, I had no problems with ANY of the files when I stuck it in the device I was using it with
14:28:21Knuckleafter letting windows "scan and fix" all files were garbled
14:28:42Tornejust because you don't seem to see a problem when using something doesn't mean the filesystem isn't corrupt in some way, you know
14:28:55Torneand i'm sorry, but chkdsk is waaay more reliable than your opinion :)
14:29:05Knucklejust saying that I know for a fact some files weren't corrupted
14:29:23TorneNo, you don't know that
14:29:39*Torne can construct a filesystem where every file is readable but the fs is still irretrievably corrupt just fine :)
14:29:57Torne(in fact i have a tool that does that on purpose that i used to use with an ancient dumb mp3 player) :)
14:30:18Knucklebut then wouldn't it be possible to extract every file's data?
14:30:24Torneyup.
14:30:43Tornebut that doesn't mean it's possible to fix the filesystem without destroying data. FAT is great like that.
14:30:52Knucklewell
14:30:57Tornereadability is not the only criteria for the FS being intact
14:31:03Torneyou also have to consider the ability to *write* to it...
14:31:10KnuckleI would have liked it if windows had offered to backup my data
14:31:25TorneThere's no way for it to know if that's even possible
14:31:26Knuckleand not just tell me "I'mma fix it" and destroy the data while fixing the fs
14:31:34TorneIt can't tell if the data is readable or not.
14:31:38KnuckleI cared more about my savegames than about the integrity of the filesystem >:(
14:31:57TorneAnyway, this is kinda irrelevant.
14:32:01Knuckleyeah it is
14:32:04Torneif windows thinks the FS is uncleanly unmounted then it's *right*.
14:32:12Torneand nothing is going to make that right other than chkdsk or a similar tool
14:32:21Torneand if in the process that finds errors then yes, you have to fix them to keep using the device.
14:32:32Torneif you are concerned this is going to delete data then back it up yourself first.
14:33:08Knucklewell
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14:33:12Knucklethanks for your help anyway :)
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15:46:39Zagorwth? the way to enable comment modifications in svn is to create a hook???
15:48:03Torneyeah. it decides whether to allow the change based on wha thte hook returns, and having no hook means "always say no"
15:50:44Zagorwell, looks to me like we already support it then
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15:57:23macskais this the correct channel to talk about a custom status bar problem?
15:57:58JdGordondepends on the problem
15:58:27gyrather basic, really... i can't get it to work.
15:58:35gy(sorry, the other nick froze)
15:59:02gyi created an .sbs that contains tags specifying what the status bar should display.
15:59:16gyand added it to the .cfg, along with statusbar: custom.
15:59:28gyi get the default statusbar, however.
15:59:37JdGordondid you actually load the sbs?
15:59:45JdGordonthrough the menu or with the sbs: config line
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16:00:03gythe latter.
16:00:23JdGordonok, pastebin the sbs
16:00:42JdGordonand what build are you running?
16:00:52gyi'm not familiar with pastebin... i only know the name.
16:01:01gyi'll just paste here, it's only 2 lines.
16:01:32gyi'm using the simulator for sansa clip+.
16:01:40gyV(0,0,128,8,1)
16:01:41gy %bt
16:02:06gyi also tried inserting a Vi(-,0,0,-,-,1) at the beginning.
16:02:08JdGordonyou dont have a %Vi() line which is required
16:02:35gyok, should Vi(-,0,0,-,-,1) before the other two lines work?
16:02:52JdGordonthat line will use the whole screen and overlap the other viewport
16:02:55gyi don't get the meaning of Vi, i'm afraid.
16:03:51JdGordonVi sets up the viewport where the lists are drawn
16:04:09gyso the screen minus the status bar?
16:04:16JdGordonyes
16:04:21gyoh, ok.
16:04:48gyin that case i'd need Vi(-,0,9,-,-,1), i suppose?
16:04:52JdGordonVi(-,0,8,-,-,1) is what you want
16:05:03gyah, right.
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16:06:56gyok, now i have
16:07:03gyVi(-,0,8,-,-,1)
16:07:13gyV(0,0,128,8,1)
16:07:17gy%bt
16:07:21gystill no effect :-(
16:07:56gyafter loading the theme, i mean.
16:08:20JdGordonmanually load the sbs from the menu
16:08:55gyyou simply select the file in the file browser?
16:09:16JdGordondo it from the menu
16:09:23JdGordonsettings > theme settings > base skin
16:09:36gyok, tried that.
16:09:42gystill no effect.
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16:11:44JdGordonwhat are you seeing?
16:12:27gythe default statusbar.
16:12:40gythe other theme-related settings are loaded.
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16:14:18macskaok, now the other nick froze.
16:14:27macskai'm seeing the default status bar.
16:14:36macskawps and font are set correctly.
16:15:48JdGordonwhat build are you using?
16:16:02JdGordon"statusbar: custom" hasnt been an option for quite a while
16:17:17Stummihm, i registered for the developer list yesterday and all i got to yet is an discussion about commit-comments *g*
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16:18:34JdGordonchange it to "statusbar: off"
16:18:40macskaok.
16:18:55JdGordonaltohugh actually I tihnk that shouldnt matter... something odd is happening
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16:19:30macskano, didn't help.
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16:21:04macskastatusbar: off didn't help.
16:22:19JdGordon1the file is in the right place?
16:23:14macskathe sbs?
16:23:23macskait's in the wps folder.
16:23:27macskasame place as the wps.
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16:24:24JdGordon1well it loads for me (in the sim) but there is an emty line isntead of the %bt
16:25:24macskavery strange.
16:25:34macskai mean that it loads at all for you.
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16:26:14macskayou did it with statusbar: off?
16:26:43macskai have the "unofficial" simulator built for windows, btw.
16:26:54JdGordon1no
16:27:05JdGordon1the only thing I changed was the sbs filename
16:27:19macskai see.
16:27:25JdGordon1but I'm now worried about the %bt not showing
16:29:01macskai've replaced the .sbs in the cabbiev2 theme, but i still get the default status bar.
16:29:43JdGordon1oh good.. last nights commits didnt cause this
16:29:54*JdGordon1 is rather baffled
16:30:30macskayou use the simulator you compiled yourself in linux?
16:30:40JdGordon1yes
16:31:06macskashouldn't make a difference, though.
16:34:07JdGordon1can you post a screenshot?
16:34:08JdGordon1just to be 100% certain of whats happening
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16:36:25macskasure.
16:36:37macskai mean, er. not sure where i can upload it.
16:36:45macskawhat exactly would you like to see?
16:37:15AlexPimagebin
16:37:16JdGordon1the clips display
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16:38:48macskabtw, now i managed to get it to load as well.
16:38:53macskashowing nothing.
16:39:02macskaafter i switched the startup screen to main menu.
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16:43:36macskahm... won't be able to upload screenshots, i'm afraid.
16:43:45macskai'm at work.
16:43:53macskamaybe via email?
16:44:18macskaalthough we're getting the same behaviour now, it seems.
16:44:52macskaoh, wait, i didn't see the imagebin suggestion.
16:44:55macskai'll try that.
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16:49:38macskahere you go: http://imagebin.org/114216
16:50:31JdGordon1that looks like it hasnt loaded the sbs at all
16:52:34JdGordon1file a bug.. something is very very wrong
16:52:44macskawell, same thing as on your simulator, no?
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16:56:04JdGordon1no, it defintly loads here, but no text... file the bug, I'll try to look at this tomorow or the weekend
16:56:08*JdGordon1 is off to bed
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17:15:34macskaJdGordon1 (in case you read this after waking up :-)): bug filed with # 11628
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18:32:23Jaykayhi.... when i read the discussion about commit messages in the mailing list, i remembered teh old idea of devs being able to submit patches to the build system, which gives them a result and builds to test.... it shouldn't be hard to implement this, and it would "fix" the red commits
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18:33:10gevaertsit wouldn't
18:33:33n1sJaykay: that sounds like unnecessary complication to me
18:34:06Jaykayit would be just an option for heavy patches which likely produce reds...
18:34:39gevaertsAlso, I'm not at all convinced that it's really that easy to implement
18:34:50n1sbreaking the builds doesn't bother me or i'd guess most devs but maybe non-trivial build fixing commits should have better commit messages
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18:35:10gevaertsYou're going to run into all sorts of non-clean svn checkout situations
18:35:31n1sJaykay: fun thing is that the patches you expect to break things are usually much better tested, it's the ones that "Shouldn't Break Anything" that usualy does
18:36:13Jaykaygevaerts: why? only the build system would need to apply the patch
18:36:36gevaertsJaykay: yes, the non-clean svn checkouts would be on the various build clients
18:36:52n1sJaykay: the build system would also need to clean itself then
18:36:56pamauryit's unecessaryc omplication, breaking the build is not a problem as long as it's fixed quickly. The problem was commit messages
18:37:15Jaykayn1s: ok, then it wouldnt fix it :) the next step would be that the build system checks all commits before actually committing them... but i guess thats way too complicated
18:38:19gevaertsOccasional build-breaking commits is why we have the build system in the first place. What will be next? A system to check if patches will compile before you submit them to the system that checks if you're allowed to commit them?
18:38:25n1sJaykay: that might actually be easier to do as an svn hook, *but* it would make a commit delay for a few minutes and i'd guess we would have to reject other commits while building so not so nice
18:38:54gevaertsIt also assumes a build system that *never* breaks
18:39:02n1sthe git peole would hate it at least :)
18:39:39n1si think the current system is in no need of fixing actually
18:40:54*gevaerts agrees
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19:56:31FacebookchatterHi every one, got a simple question, mayby stupid but still problem, does anyone know how do i set sansa fuze v1 to run pictureflow after a press shortcut button
19:56:34Facebookchatter?
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20:35:31webguest08Sup people ^_^
20:35:36webguest08say Hi guys
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20:44:25webguest05Hey guys, how do I add music onto my sansa clip+ after install rockbox ?
20:45:24AlexPanyway you like
20:45:30AlexPJust drag and drop it over
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20:53:10webguest58I tried to but everytime it says " unknown usb device "
20:54:22webguest58I tried to however it couldnt recognize the player, my clip + works fine just cant add music anymore
20:54:33AlexPYou need to boot the sansa firmware
20:54:39AlexPthen connect it to USB as normal
20:54:55mc2739webguest58: are you booting the OF before connecting the usb cable?
20:56:15webguest58O_O slow respond to my posts
20:56:42AlexPthe web irc on rockbox.org lags horribly
20:56:52AlexPfreenode web client is better
20:57:00AlexPOr even better get a proper IRC client :)
20:58:25webguest58Yes, I boot to the Original Firmwire and it complains X_X .... the installation went perfectly fine, just for some reason windows fails at recognizing it ... is this a common problem with clip + " i know its still unstable"
20:58:58AlexPRockbox doesn't affect the OF
20:59:51webguest58I booted it into OF and then plugged it in and I got " Usb Device is not recognized " complain by windows 7
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22:17:59AlexPJdGordon1: About?
22:18:51AlexPJdGordon1: (for logs) - I just updated Rockbox for the first time in a little while (sorry, can't remember what the old version was exactly) and my .sbs now freezes Rockbox and crashes the sim, but is fine in the themeeditor
22:19:23AlexPJdGordon1: sim crash log is here: http://aeparker.com/files/sbs_crash.txt and theme is here: http://aeparker.com/files/CSB.7z Any ideas?
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22:29:42kugelAlexP: gdb ./rockboxui :)
22:29:56amiconnThere are numerous bugs in the current skin code. Many of them have been reported on fs already
22:29:58kugelthen run, then bt after the crash
22:30:23kugelamiconn: all would be better, file a report if you find one
22:30:29AlexPkugel: bt?
22:30:43kugelthat's a command for gdb
22:30:50kugelstands for backtrace
22:31:06AlexPah right
22:33:02AlexPkugel: http://pastebin.ca/1941607
22:34:21kugelmy part is over, but it'll help JdGordon1 :)
22:34:24AlexPMy superior skills lead me to suspect a problem in statusbar-skinned.c :)
22:35:10AlexPheh, OK :)
22:35:33kugel"p element" will probably show 0x0, which means NULL pointer derefence (which is a crash in the sim and almost always a freeze on (ARM) targets)
22:35:49AlexPyeah, this is an ARM target that freezes :)
22:36:17kugelI'm assuming it tries to set the list title before the sbs is loaded
22:37:03pixelmaAlexP: I believe there was someone around who reported problems with sbs here just today and was asked to flyspray it (don't know if he did though)
22:37:30AlexPI will do tomorrow if necessary
22:38:03pixelmawhich target is this btw?
22:38:15pixelmathat freezes I mean
22:38:17AlexPgigabeat S
22:38:40AlexPIt's the only one I tried it on (first I updated, I'm leaving the others for now) :)
22:39:11pixelmaok, was just curious
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