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#rockbox log for 2010-09-24

00:01:05pixelmaI don't know, would have to try how this works exactly but some of the timeout tags work with out the ?, e.g. %t for the subline timeout
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00:02:18fmlpixelma: I thought all conditionals (which %t is not) require a ?
00:03:01pixelmahmm, true and a recent forum example states the same
00:04:12fmlpixelma: I'm now almost 100% sure that there should be a ?
00:04:28fmlBut I can't try it now
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00:06:34fmlI think we should change all the predicate tags (i.e. those that answer some question with Yes/No) to just return e.g. "T" in case of "true", not any special texts ("starting" for %pS)
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00:15:50kugelpixelma: ping
00:16:15pixelmapong
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00:16:42pixelmafml: maybe, but I don't want to decide this now
00:17:07kugelpixelma: did I fix any known playlist viewer bug? I saw your message but I wasn't sure what you meant exactly
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00:18:37pixelmawell, the bug was fixed at least as far as I could tell as a user. I wondered thoug if it was only hidden or worked around in the code before when I saw your cleanup
00:18:50pixelmaor "though"
00:19:43kugelI believe my change was a real fix, but I'm not aware of any *known* (i.e. reported on FS) bug
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00:21:57pixelmathere were none currently but shortly after the live "moving" of tracks if you edit the playlist was introduced there were some weird ones (like the track to move was off by one or couldn't be placed in the first or last position)
00:23:13pixelmaas I said it was "fixed" as I didn't experience them anymore, I was just curious how much "fix" or more hack it was before internally
00:25:46kugeloff by one sounds a lot like it could be fixed by my change
00:26:40kugelthe playlist viewer actually determined the selected item in a strange way (i.e. in another way than calling list_selected_item() when ACTION_STD_OK was returned)
00:28:32pixelmaguessed there was some hacking around then before
00:30:53kugelI'm not sure if it's "hacking". as you might've noticed from my monologues the past nights I'm very much confused by the list code. I think changes are higher that someone just got it wrong
00:31:47kugelbut I and [sko] are being working on improving the list code a bit, so it's come to my attention
00:32:12pixelmapossibly
00:32:21kugellist code w.r.t. to touchscreen*. I'm very happy how it works on "normal" targets but it just doesn't work as nice on touchscreen
00:33:05kugelI think we're on a good way, I'm actually surprised how little changes it needed to make basic swipe work
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00:35:32kugelbtw, I'm showing RaaA to some of my fellow studends, and they are quite impressed
00:36:11kugelI'm quite surprised, rb generally still sucks on both touchscreen and host integration, but our fine features apparently outweight it
00:36:40kugelI'm still shocked that the built-in player doesn't even have a dynamic playlist
00:36:48pixelmanice :) Do you think we'll get some more developers?
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00:37:23kugelthat's one of my strongest desires
00:37:58kugelif only there wasn't the HTC bug in our way
00:38:15kugelmost people are going to blame us because the HTC firmware is bugged
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00:39:36Bagderis that particular bug explained in detail somewhere?
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00:42:37kugelBagder: http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/thread/970a91cb7a768723 (google for "startForeground broken" and you'll have some more infos)
00:44:03kugelessentially the "make my app get more cpu by being a foreground service once I call startForeground()" just doesn't make it foreground on htc
00:46:12kugelI tested rb on some friend's android (non-htc) phones and it just worked perfectly
00:47:34Bagderwell, saying "htc" is a bit misleading since it works on some htc phones
00:48:06kugelhttp://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=9663 is the bug report
00:48:30Bagderyes, and it says the nexus one doesn't show it for example
00:49:30kugelyea, it has stock android
00:49:30Bagderweird thing in general methinks
00:50:10kugelit's manufactured by htc but it doesn't have the htc firmware (i.e. htc sense)
00:50:11Bagderthe entire concept I mean, talking about foreground and background etc
00:50:32BagderI have a htc magic, it runs the stock android too
00:50:53kugelso I guess it works fine for you
00:51:23Bagderbut how can all the other sound apps work in the background?
00:51:31Bagderor don't they?
00:51:53kugelwhat do you mean by "all others"
00:52:06Bagderthe stock music one, streaming music apps etc
00:52:33Bagderspotify, grooveshark, there are a bazillion
00:52:44kugelby guess is: there are the ones that use the PlayerManager (or whatever it's called) api which does decoding etc. for you
00:52:54kugelthat api probably isn't affected
00:53:17kugelbut those which use the AudioTrack api (which can only play back plain pcm data) are affected
00:53:19Bagderbut how is the API connected to the scheduling?
00:53:51kugelI suppose the PlayerManager api creates a system level propcess behind the scenes
00:54:19kugelyou can clearly see the the "/media/soundserver" process when running the stock music app
00:54:45kugelrockbox doesn't doesn't use this process, because we decode on our own
00:55:37Bagderok, thanks for the explanations!
00:55:44kugelit may very well be an intention of htc to cripple 3rd party music apps, but it seems to be fixed in their 2.2 updates (according to rasher's top output)
00:58:11kugelunfortunately we cannot do much about it, at best it stucks less once we enable our asm optimizations. But I'm afraid there are not as effective as they are on our classic targets so it'll probably still stuck sometimes on htc phones
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00:59:43Bagderunless there's some funky work-around to be found
00:59:45kugelthe "PlayerManager" api is actually called MediaPlayer (I forgot the exact name)
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01:00:38kugelwe could switch to that, but that'd mean losing 4/5 of our supported codecs which we most likely don't want :)
01:03:52Samuelkugel may i ask you a question which is not related to RockBox but to the hardware (ipod nano 1g) it supports?
01:04:23kugelno, sorry :)
01:04:47kugelipod nano1g just isn't my area of expertise
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01:05:38kugelbut I think it's the best you just ask and hope someone replies (keep watching the irc logs)
01:07:09SamuelI already posted it a few hours ago. I thought u could possible help me, cause you sound very familar with the rockbox Source
01:09:26kugelthat doesn't mean anything :)
01:10:15kugelpeople can look at sources, but forget everything after 3 month if they're not actively working on it
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01:10:54SamuelIt is always worth a try, so i just asked :)
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02:10:27notlisteningHi can someone give me 2 mins of their time I am compiling or trying to the Android app. configure is showing errors about arm-eabi-gcc) is not in your path!
02:10:28notlistening[WARNING] this may cause your build to fail since we cannot do the
02:10:28notlistening[WARNING] checks we want now.
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02:11:22notlisteninghowever which on the commandline gives /home/tom/rockbox/android_build/android-ndk-r4b/build/prebuilt/linux-x86/arm-eabi-4.4.0/bin//arm-eabi-gcc
02:11:47notlisteningwhich configure also tell me to use
02:12:00notlisteningbut that it is no in my path
02:12:43notlisteningI added it to .bashrc
02:12:57krazykitdid you log out and back in?
02:13:05notlisteningmany times :D
02:13:19krazykitare you sure you're using bash for your shell ;)
02:13:33notlisteningbut i will try again
02:14:01notlisteningwell i have used this method before when compiling for the Clip+ with arm
02:14:14notlisteningbrb
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02:17:41notlisteningNope same problem
02:17:48notlisteningwhich return the right location
02:18:01notlistening./configure warms about not finding them
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02:22:59notlisteningchanged to the shell the script is using and exectute which and again it return the right location
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03:57:01loopernowhi, i tried to install rockbox on my sansa clip v1. First problem was there was is a problem with the automatic installer, it points to 3.6 firmware which gives 404. Then I tried current build and the installer got a zlib error of some kind while unpacking. Finally, tried manually pasting files into the clip and got an out of space msg. So, last but not least, I tried reformatting the drive and am still having problems. Only a quick format worked and th
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04:10:06G4OblivionJust stopped by to report a theme I saw on the themes page. Someone submitted a theme called "Windows" it uses the windows icon and a couple other windows icons.
04:10:20G4OblivionI'm pretty sure this isn't allowed?
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04:16:45loopernowI pasted the .rockbox folder into the empty player and now the firmware is working.
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04:38:20shuffle2how can i debug a lockup in a way which does not involve random guessing?
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04:43:40shuffle2behold my random lockup finder! if (timetodie) { for(;;) { logf("still here!"); sleep(HZ); } }
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04:43:47shuffle2;_;
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05:53:34shuffle2how is it that timer_unregister() takes no params?
05:54:30shuffle2only one timer may be registered at a time?
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07:49:20shuffle2aaand fixed again. for good this time :)
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08:48:12wodzhttp://www.pastie.org/1178626 <- what is the point of defining macro in this way?
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08:53:34shuffle2so one is forced to place a ";" after using the macro
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08:54:43shuffle2personally i think it's silly :p
08:54:49wodzme too
08:55:14wodzI'll have to check if compiler optimizes this artificial loop out
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08:55:47shuffle2it is a constant expression: the compiler has to do so
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09:01:18amiconnshuffle2: Yes, the timer can be used by only one application at a time
09:01:50amiconnThis is because (on most targets) there are only two hardware timers, one of which is permanently in use for the tick interrupt
09:02:58shuffle2it makes sense, but imo there should be an abstraction to juggle the single timer in the background, and register as many as you want
09:03:11shuffle2no big deal, worked around it already :p
09:04:17amiconnThat won't work
09:04:47amiconnThe timer is meant to be as accurate as the hardware allows, but not all platforms allow reprogramming the timer on the fly
09:05:21amiconnI mean, reprogramming on the fly in a way that still guarantees the correct cycle count
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09:06:36amiconnThere is a mechanism that allows limited sharing. The register function allows to specify a priority and a callback. If there is a timer application that doesn't strictly require it, it can register with a low priority
09:07:14amiconnIf another application registers the timer specifying a higher priority, the first application gets unregistered and notified via callback
09:07:46amiconnThis mechanism is used on iriver H1x0, where the core does backlight fading using the timer, but we still want plugins using the timer to work
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09:08:07amiconnThe core simply falls back to not fading while the timer is in use by the plugin
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09:19:07shuffle2http://gist.github.com/594966
09:19:09shuffle2rofl
09:19:18shuffle2github fails at binary =)
09:20:03shuffle2or am i just abusing it? hehe
09:20:19Stummihrhr
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09:29:26wodzI would like to call for test of FS #11641
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09:55:51gevaertsG4Oblivion: thanks for reporting
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10:09:42notlisteningRight again i have problems with the path for the build tools on the android build.. could the problem be that I have put the sdk in the build folder..?
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10:24:12gevaertsnotlistening: what does "echo $PATH" say?
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10:57:05notlisteninggevaerts. /usr/local/arm-elf/bin:/home/tom/rockbox/android_build/android-ndk-r4b/build/prebuilt/linux-x86/arm-eabi-4.4.0/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games
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11:05:05gevaertsnotlistening: and /home/tom/rockbox/android_build/android-ndk-r4b/build/prebuilt/linux-x86/arm-eabi-4.4.0/bin/ *definitely* has the right binaries in it?
11:09:59wodzgevaerts: You own mrobe500 do you?
11:10:32gevaertswodz: yes, but I only own it. It's currently not in my possession :)
11:10:36gevaertspamaury has it
11:11:01wodzok
11:12:53*Llorean didn't know someone had gotten psgroove working on Rockbox.
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11:16:44AlexPLlorean: I didn't think they had have they?
11:17:35AlexPhuh, he was here overnight but I didn't pick up from that that he had it anywhere near working
11:18:22*shuffle2 feels weird; this is the second time people spoke about him while he's right here, idling
11:19:28AlexPheh :)
11:19:39AlexPSo what is the status then?
11:19:40shuffle2also, gevaerts and pamaury deserve a lot of credit :)
11:19:57shuffle2github.com/shuffle2/rockbox_psgroove
11:22:09Torneso the important question here is "does that contain any changes to our usb code which might ever be useful for anything *else*"
11:22:25Torneand "can that be integrated without breaking normal usb" :)
11:22:26shuffle2almost definitely no
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11:23:42shuffle2would be nice to have ability to set packet size at run time...but i don't think rockbox really has a reason to do that
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12:11:32Torneplease don't do that
12:11:38Torneif you want to say something, say it
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12:52:50soapgevaerts, I'll narrow it down when I get back from work in ~12 hours, but there is an issue with the work you did to cleanup the /firmware/export/config #defines the other day.
12:53:44soapDisabling pitchscreen / recording / tagcache / quickscreen / morse input breaks playback.
12:54:05soaps/disabling/undefining/ ?
12:54:38soapRegardless, playback (if you can call it that) happens at a faster-than-normal speed w/o actual audio being output.
12:55:44soapI ASSume it's related to pitch? I'll determine which one it is tonight when I get home, but I'm late as is.
12:55:51gevaertsno idea...
12:56:10soapbuilds clean, but doesn't work.
12:57:49soapoh, and the last piece of "knowledge" I have is that the issue is persistent across reboots, and persistent across .cfg clearing. Also I was attempting playback of MP3s, and FM works fine on the Sansa E200.
12:58:05soapBehavior seen in both E200 and iPod 5G.
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13:05:41soapsorry it took so long to realize this, but I've only been using my e200 as an FM radio this week.
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13:18:55notlisteninggevaerts, umm i am not sure if it does have the right binaries in it.. i thought i was after arm-eabi-gcc etc
13:19:31gevaertsnotlistening: something similar to those, yes. I don't know the exact binaries for android though
13:21:26notlisteningOkay well i will wait till Mr Android come to chat
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13:27:46LumanHello?
13:29:23gevaertsLuman: if you have a question, just ask
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13:43:07Zagornotlistening: it doesn't actually have to be in your path. as long as $ANDROID_NDK_PATH points to the root ndk dir
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14:30:43treize60 gb 5th gen ipod hard drive died. Going to replace it with 16 gb transcend x133 compact flash. Will I have to format it in itunes to install rockbox? As I understand it itunes 9 will not allow < 60 gb for 60 gb ipods. Also, I don't want to run down the battery, and tried to charge with hard drive disconnected (brand new battery) but ipod keeps restarting and occasionally saying low battery...is it possible to charge the ipod with no d
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14:32:06Tornetreize: it's easiest/best to format it with itunes, yes
14:32:15Torneand no, i don't think you can charge witn on disk
14:32:21Torneand no, itunes doesn't care how big your hard drive is
14:32:28Torneit should format any size drive in any ipod
14:33:22treizenot even itunes 9? I heard that the update that killed palm pre syncing checks that hard disk size is at least the amount your ipod should have... at least thats what it says on the guy selling the zif to compact flash adapters
14:34:00Tornethat seems like a weird and arbitrary thing for them to do, and i've never heard of it, but it's possible
14:34:15Tornepeople generally upgrade the drives, rather than fitting smaller ones.
14:34:26gevaertsI doubt that. There are 1GB ipods...
14:34:55treizeI don't want to make it seem like i'm doubting you guys... just checking. Thanks!
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14:35:06Torneif itunes doesn't care that you put a 240GB drive in a 30GB ipod i don't see why they shoul care that you put a 16GB one in a 60GB ipod
14:35:12Torneit just formats it as whatever capacity the disk says it is
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14:35:42Tornebut it's slightly complicated and fiddly and sometimes people have trouble getting it to work
14:35:48treizeso I don't really need itunes to format it then right?
14:35:57Torneso we generally suggest people use itunes unless they absolutely can't get a windows machine
14:35:59treizeI wouldn't mind doing a manual install
14:36:09treizeI don't have a windows machine unfortunately
14:36:17treizeonly mac os x and linux
14:36:25gevaertstreize: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IpodManualRestore is what you need then
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14:36:45treizesweet... thanks gevaerts.
14:36:46Tornedoes the mac version of itunes still always format ipods as HFS? I guess..
14:37:12treizeit does, but I can use linux to format it
14:37:28treizeat least...thats what I did. Mine is fat32 formatted
14:37:38Torneprobably easiest then is to restore it on the mac on itunes
14:37:43Torneso the partition layout and firmware partition get filled in
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14:37:52Torneand then just reformat the data partition with any old fat format utility
14:38:06Tornesetting up the partitions and extracting the firmware onto it is the bit that's fiddly
14:38:08gevaertsTorne: I doubt that
14:38:17gevaertsThey use a different partition table format
14:38:17treizeI'll try it. My drive just died so I'm sitting on my hands till my cf card and adapter come in.
14:38:20Tornegevaerts: they do?
14:38:23Torneoh
14:38:29Tornelame.
14:38:52gevaertsAs far as I know, yes. They use the old mac partition table format I think
14:39:06Tornesucks.
14:39:22Tornedon't they know PC BIOS MBRs and FAT is the transport standard? :)
14:39:35treizewell it sucks because if you use a mac it won't update your firmware if your ipod is "pc formatted"
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15:41:01Zagoramiconn: yeah, it wasn't supposed to be enabled yet
15:41:23ZagorI need to tweak the build server a little first
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16:59:25AlexPWhat is the feeling for the level of support we give to the psgroove stuff? I ask, as we have just got a question on the forums about how to use it: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=25796.0
16:59:50AlexPAt the least it should be an unsupported build I think, but I'm not sure we should be offering support at all
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17:00:10AlexPIt feels to me more like a seperate project using Rockbox as a base, rather than an unsupported build
17:00:13AlexPThoughts?
17:00:30gevaertsIt depends on what happens next I think
17:01:13LloreanAt the moment, any other patch. "Ask the author until it's on the tracker, ask in the tracker until there's a build, ask in the thread when there's a build" I think
17:01:52AlexPThing is, will it end up on the tracker? from what shuffle2 was saying, he doesn't think there is anything in there that Rockbox would want to reuse
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17:03:36AlexPI just mean that if it is not going to be incorporated into Rockbox, and it isn't particularly related to Rockbox anyway (in function), should we be supporting it on the forums? It seems to me that if any support is going to be done, it might be better on shuffle2's github bit
17:03:58gevaertsFrom what I can see (from a quick look at the patch) it only needs one or two core driver changes to work, the HZ=1000 bit, and a way to select which USB driver to use.
17:04:33AlexPgevaerts: So you might want to incorporate bits of it?
17:04:45gevaertsThe HZ=1000 bit may point (I think) to a bug or design issue in our scheduler, and the selecting USB drivers bit will have to be done at some point
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17:04:57gevaertsAlexP: not exactly.
17:05:33AlexPgevaerts: The actual thing replaces normal USB doesn't it, so it can't be added wholesale anyway?
17:05:33gevaertsIf especially those two last things are solved, you end up with something that's really a normal rockbox build, with one extra feature
17:05:56AlexPSo it could be added without breaking normal USB?
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17:06:33gevaertsWell, I'm not at all sure if regular USB would work after using this without rebooting first, but as far as I understand the patch, yes
17:06:48AlexPah, OK, I've misunderstood somewhat
17:07:00AlexPThe next question then becomes more policy :)
17:07:10gevaertsI'm not saying we *should* add it, but it wouldn't really be very different from e.g. a build that adds the wikipedia plugin
17:08:15gevaertsRight now it is, but that's mainly because of things that can (and I think should) be fixed
17:09:54gevaertsI might be wrong about some details though. I'm sure shuffle2 will correct me though :)
17:13:02Tornei think if we can make minor changes to our code so that it's a more "normal" patch, then that's more useful, even if we don't actually put the patch in our tree
17:13:31Tornesince if nothing else currently it would increase binsize since usb has to be in core :)
17:14:06Tornebut yeah, it'd be nice if someone could reasonably do a custom build that was both a functional rockbox install and the exploit dongle, even if you had to reboot between or whatever.
17:14:20Tornesince you need to use the exploit thing every time, so wanting to do this is not a one-off event..
17:15:01gevaertsThe current solution is one RoLo away, so from a usage point of view it's not *that* bad
17:15:18Tornewell that's not awful, no
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17:18:11gevaertsThe only driver bits I see are blocking receive (which is a one line function, and which I think pamaury's usb audio work adds as well), and settable max packet sizes (which should be there arguably anyway)
17:18:28Tornewell, the rolo option you could make it even easier..
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17:18:34Tornejust have the patch also murder most of Rockbox :)
17:18:41Torneand build a rockbox.ipod (or whatever) which does nothing else
17:18:42Torneand just rolo that.
17:18:49Tornewith a button that reboots back again :)
17:19:23gevaertsOh, sure :)
17:19:53gevaertsThere are some changes to usb_core.c that I think can also be done cleanly
17:20:44gevaertsAnd then there's the psgroove.c file which does nasty things a normal USB device shouldn't even be thinking about, but as far as I can see it does those only by using existing functions
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17:23:10gevaertsAnd then finally I'd really like it if this HZ=1000 hack wouldn't be needed to get sufficient latency. I suspect it's because of queue_wait() not returning immediately but instead waiting for the next tick
17:24:29gevaertsThat may be rather tricky to achieve though
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17:44:45shuffle2fwiw i don't think psgroove should really be merged into rockbox at all
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17:45:21shuffle2it has completely different use from rockbox...and destroys ability to act like other usb devices by design
17:45:50shuffle2rockbox as a firmware was just a means to an end
17:46:12shuffle2because i'm lazy and don't want to make a minimal firmware to do such a thing
17:46:17shuffle2=)
17:47:04shuffle2and also
17:47:35shuffle2psgroove is a bunch of hacks to exploit a temporary (and already twice fixed) bug...
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17:48:48gevaertsshuffle2: the main problem we (rockbox) have right now is that people ask questions about it :)
17:49:00shuffle2heh
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17:49:21Torneshuffle2: also, just because this thing isn't high priority doesn't mean things like having to hack HZ are irrelevant to us
17:49:25gevaertsApart from that, your work has highlighted some issues, and *those* I think should be thought about
17:49:30Torneyou shouldn't really have had to do that
17:49:36shuffle2yes i saw some unsavory people come about already :p
17:49:37Torneand that might be an issue for something else in future :)
17:49:45Torneso, it's still useful
17:50:11gevaertsActually, fixing that latency issue might speed up usb storage a bit
17:50:19Torneyeah.
17:50:40shuffle2actually that was from before I started actually using the event queues
17:50:53*gevaerts thinks
17:50:54shuffle2...when it was a pile of magic spaghetti :>
17:51:05shuffle2so...i will try with HZ=100
17:51:12gevaertsright
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17:51:46shuffle2but also...i just like having ms granularity
17:51:49shuffle210ms just feels strange
17:52:05gevaertsActually, on ipod video we can do 12MB/s or thereabouts, and we use 64kb transfers on USB, so we do 200 transfers per second. That means that USB handling *doesn't* wait for ticks
17:52:31shuffle2psgroove was designed for shitty atmel usb controllers
17:52:50shuffle2i plan to try and get it working at high speed and 64B packets, sometime
17:53:18shuffle2and remove some other hacks which appeared because of laziness :>
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17:53:54gevaertsshuffle2: scheduling is cooperative, so scheduling latency doesn't depend on the tick frequency, and a 10ms interval therefore allows ten times longer low-power sleep periods than 1ms on mostly-idle systems :)
17:54:08gevaertsWhich is a big deal on battery powered devices
17:54:33shuffle2the problem is just that the ps3 needs rather fast responses
17:54:46gevaertsYes, but those should really not depend on HZ
17:54:54gevaertsIf they do, there's a bug somewhere
17:55:39gevaertsAnd if that bug is in our code, we want to know
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18:09:45amiconn[17:18:32] <Torne> just have the patch also murder most of Rockbox :)
18:10:11amiconn^ That would be rather similar to what bootbox does on the archoses.
18:10:13Torneyeah
18:10:37amiconnIt's also almost the same to (normal) bootloaders - re-use the firmware layer, add custom app layer
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18:57:06shuffle2strange...
18:58:16SamuelWasn't you?
18:58:24shuffle2no
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19:02:32SamuelHey Papst I finally got the Display running :)
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19:04:20SamuelBut i don't know where the bug is. I only need to reboot the iPod twice :S
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19:18:22slothearnis there a way to replace rockbox.ipod without getting a checksum error?
19:18:27slothearnlike, with a modified version?
19:18:39gevaertsSure, use one for your model of ipod
19:18:48shuffle2hehe
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19:21:18PaulJamhi, i have an ipod video (g5.5), and in usb mode the disk spins down a few seconds after the last access. is there a way to increase this time untill the disk spins down in usb mode?
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19:23:15gevaertsPaulJam: that uses the standard spindown timeout
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19:24:15PaulJamoh, i didn't expect that. wouldn't it make sense to have a longer spindown delay when the device is powered by usb?
19:24:34PaulJambut thanks for the info.
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19:37:43slothearngevaerts: guessing you've had a lot of my same question here today, eh?
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19:45:13shuffle2fwiw my ipod is model a1136
19:45:34shuffle2as far as i know, this is 5.0 generation video ipod...yes?
19:45:45slothearnsame model I have
19:45:49slothearn5.0 or 5.5G
19:45:55slothearnfairly certain it's 5 though
19:46:26gevaerts5.0 and 5.5 only have different disks and LCDs
19:46:49shuffle2the question is why his ipod doesn't accept firmware i compile
19:47:11shuffle2and no, i'm not aware of whatever protection is at work here :)
19:47:55slothearnafaik it just checks the data in the 8 byte header of the images
19:48:18shuffle2ya well, that's just a rockbox header, isn't it?
19:48:29slothearnI suppose
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19:52:25slothearnhella mysterious :O
19:52:49*shuffle2 goes to compile rockbox again
19:52:57shuffle2no bsod this time, kthx gcc
19:53:02Tornesounds like the file might be corrupt..
19:53:29shuffle2ya i'll send him another compile once it's done :)
19:53:33shuffle2er
19:53:34gevaertsshuffle2: I noticed one thing in your patch. Why \ and not / as a path separator in your include statements?
19:53:37shuffle2them*
19:53:47shuffle2ahhh
19:53:53shuffle2from Visual Assist X
19:53:59shuffle2autofills paths
19:54:08shuffle2i'll change it
19:54:28Tornewell gcc is probably indifferent tbh
19:55:09shuffle2ya it depends on your FS. but it's bad style :p
19:55:33shuffle2or, maybe it's a patch on mingw's gcc...not sure
19:56:18Torneno, i mean gcc doesn't care at all
19:56:20Torneon any os
19:56:26shuffle2no, it does
19:56:33shuffle2at least g++ does
19:56:43Torneit shouldn't.
19:56:45shuffle2tbh i don't normally use C-only :)
19:56:57Torneand g++ is the exact same compiler
19:57:13shuffle2well I know from people bickering that \ causes problems on non-win32
19:57:17slothearnha, alright...
19:57:27slothearnpeople are distributing corrupt versions of your patch, shuffle2
19:57:36shuffle2good for them
19:57:38shuffle2i guess
19:57:41slothearnjust got it directly from your github
19:57:42Torneit can cause problems with some stuff, but gcc itself doesn't care
19:57:48slothearnthe iPod now shows up as a generic USB hub :)
19:57:55shuffle2yay, problem solved
19:58:17notlisteninghad anyone here build the rockbox apk..?
19:58:36shuffle2Torne are you going to get at what it *does* cause problems with?
19:59:05shuffle2i'd like to know. but i hate beating around bushes :p
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20:00:47notlisteningafter running make apk the only .apk files are in the /bin file is that right..?
20:02:25shuffle2slothearn i would laugh very hard if these are people trying to edit the raw .ipod file to allow the backup manager
20:02:40slothearnI believe some of them are
20:02:42shuffle2as the file is obviously checksum'd ;p
20:02:47shuffle2ha, thought so
20:02:55slothearnsaw one guy who had the right idea though
20:03:03slothearnwas getting the Rockbox devkit stuff together
20:03:08slothearnbut he couldn't get it working
20:03:44AlexPThat's because there isn't a devkit
20:03:55AlexPSomeone called bluechip distributed one about 6 years ago
20:03:58AlexPBut that is it
20:03:59slothearnXD, any idea what the dude might have been downloading?
20:04:01slothearnhahahahaha
20:07:05slothearntbh though, someone will inevitably build a working backup manager compatible version
20:15:10slothearnbtw, Rockbox pwns hard guys.
20:15:27slothearnthink I only discovered it like last year.
20:16:18slothearnrecently replaced the HDD in my iPod too, simply to be able to run it. probably wouldn't use my 5G anymore if it didn't exist
20:16:25AlexPta :)
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20:25:21shuffle2gevaerts :)
20:25:27shuffle2works fine with HZ=100
20:27:07gevaertsExcellent!
20:27:12*gevaerts can sleep properly now
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20:30:11Samuelshuffle2 psgroove finally working?
20:30:22shuffle2ya
20:30:33Samuelnice :)
20:31:18SamuelWhat payload are u using? The original one from psjailbreak?
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20:32:22shuffle2all the descriptor data is unmodified from psgroove
20:32:27amiconngevaerts: On hdd targets with sw usb we should probably have a separate spindown setting for usb mode (with a sane default)
20:32:34slothearnodd, I'm not getting the install package menu :O
20:32:54shuffle2slothearn you know you have to hard reboot the ps3, right?
20:32:58slothearnyep
20:33:00slothearnand press eject
20:33:08shuffle2power then eject
20:33:11slothearnyup
20:33:20slothearntried spamming eject too, but to no avail :(
20:33:27slothearn3.41, etc...
20:34:01slothearnI do get, "Unknown USB device connected" though
20:34:13shuffle2reboot the ipod and try again
20:34:32slothearnwill do, do I need to have another dongle with a specific directory structure?
20:34:34shuffle2go to the debug menu and show the log while the ps3 boots up
20:34:40Samuelshuffle2 are you going to release your piece of work? :)
20:34:40shuffle2no
20:34:50shuffle2Samuel shuffle2/rockbox_psgroove">http://github.com/shuffle2/rockbox_psgroove
20:35:10Samueloh didn't know and couldn't find anything in the logs
20:35:30shuffle2slothearn in fact, no other usb devices should be plugged in before the ipod has finished doing it's job
20:35:53shuffle2also i heard that the drive should be empty
20:36:02shuffle2(when booting)
20:36:24shuffle2does that stuff already apply to you? :)
20:36:30Samuelwill try it with an ipod nano 1g
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20:38:53Samuelslothearn u have a ps3 slim or fat?
20:39:57slothearnfat
20:40:05Samuelhm k :S
20:40:11slothearnpsgroove init 37.572
20:40:21slothearnis the log dump
20:40:30shuffle2it should take ~7 seconds to complete
20:40:40shuffle2it feels longer than it is :p
20:40:43slothearnand yep, I'll remove the dongle I just put in and try again. how bad is the window for timing between power and eject?
20:40:54shuffle2200ms
20:41:01pixelmaI'm not sure if this talk has a place in the Rockbox channel
20:41:16slothearnpixelma: but Rockbox makes it possible :)
20:41:21shuffle2efnet #ps3dev then
20:41:28slothearnindeed. one sec.
20:43:54AlexPpixelma: Yes, I was wondering about this earlier
20:44:07AlexPIt doesn't actually seem Rockbox related, it was just built on Rockbox
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20:52:46bertrikIs it possible to make the file browser start at in specific directory on startup ("MUSIC" for example)?
20:58:02bertrika bit similar to how we can set a directory for recording, except now for playback
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22:10:05factorI just got in my sansa fuze to rca cable , I could not get any audio or video out of the lines.
22:10:22factorso I guess its not active in my version , this is the orig kernel not the rock box.
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22:20:28bertrikmaybe the OF only enables audio on the dock connector when it actually detects a dock
22:20:40bertrikI'm quite sure you can't get video out of it
22:20:42factorHow do I compile rbutil, what is the primary dir?
22:21:06factoryeah I could not get either audio or vid
22:22:11krazykitmaybe look in rbutil/
22:22:20factorthat is what I am trying now
22:22:27krazykitthe INSTALL document should have what you need
22:22:32factormake seems to work. qmake did not
22:22:48bertrikI think qmake was recently made obsolete
22:22:51factoryup that is what I read form that thanks
22:22:56factoroh ok
22:23:01bertrikfor rbutil building I mean
22:23:06factorso it seems
22:24:46factorwas hoping the audio would work with the dock so I could make a nice dock to my car stereo
22:26:20factorso does the rbutil install the kernel to the fuze ?
22:26:28factoror just manage rockbox
22:26:54bertrikI may have been wrong about no longer needing qmake
22:27:44factorI am running rockbox utility right now
22:29:01bertrikI don't know, I've never used rbutil to install rockbox on an ams sansa
22:29:45factorwill it do it?
22:29:53factoris that what its for?
22:30:06factorlooks like it I see boot loader
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22:33:17gevaertsfactor: what do you mean by "the kernel"?
22:33:36factorfirmware
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22:35:37bertrikfactor, the most complex part is installation of the bootloader, the main rockbox firmware is basically just a bunch of files in the ".rockbox" directory on the player
22:36:19bertrikrbutil can do both, and install stuff like voice files, themes, etc. too
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22:36:50factorok. getting the firmware from the sansa sight right now
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22:40:55factorok installed now get out of gui app and disconnect the player
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22:47:58factorHow do I boot back into the default firmware. So I can play my videos
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22:49:17evilnick_BIt's in the manual
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22:54:21factoris any work in progress on getting mp4 's to play on rock box
22:54:40bertrikno
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22:56:52factortried to install a theme it went back to my defaul load
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22:59:44slothearnhttp://pastebin.com/h9hNgBab
22:59:57slothearnbr0ken :(
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23:00:06slothearnrockbox.ipod is never built during make fullzip
23:00:13factornice tuxbox theme
23:00:34pixelmafactor: where did you get the theme from and which build did you install exactly
23:00:47gevaertsslothearn: was that in a clean directory?
23:00:52slothearnyup
23:00:59slothearnmkdir build; cd build; etc...
23:01:04slothearnthe toolchain built fine too
23:01:10gevaertsTry "make bin"
23:01:28factorthe RockBox utility
23:01:42factorLove the image background
23:01:48factornow if I had the mp4 playback
23:01:55slothearnthat worked :)
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23:02:28gevaertsOK. Now run "make" again
23:02:44factorok afk have to do some other stuff , rock box is nice though
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23:05:44slothearnah, that seems to have worked just fine
23:05:51slothearnnow make zip/fullzip should be good to go?
23:05:53gevaertsyes
23:06:12gevaertsWe seem to have a makefile dependency issue again... :\
23:06:34slothearnthe script to build the toolchain is pretty baller btw
23:06:52slothearnthere's a similar setup on Gentoo, but it's very generic and sometimes breaks
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23:09:07Bagderit's slightly easier to make it for rockbox as we make crafted for rockbox
23:09:21slothearncan imagine
23:09:37slothearnnot to hate on Gentoo's equivalent either
23:09:40AlexPWhat does baller mean?
23:09:41slothearnthat thing is extremely useful as well
23:09:42shuffle2http://pastie.org/private/mzcoxap5scqb7ubub9gpwa
23:09:44Bagderand in fact, the gentoo compilers are known to not build rockbox properly ;-)
23:09:48shuffle2anyone seen this before? :s
23:09:53slothearnAlexP: it's white suburban kid for "cool"
23:10:04AlexPah
23:10:24Bagderwhoa, compiler crash
23:10:28*gevaerts never fully understood what "cool" means anyway. Sometimes it seems to mean "hot"...
23:10:33AlexPnot being american and no longer being a kid (or indeed cool), that one had passed me by :)
23:10:43slothearngevaerts: but would you say it to a woman?
23:10:55slothearn"baby, you're so cool. I wanna give you moisture-touches"
23:11:01*evilnick_B coughs quietly and points to #rockbox-community
23:11:07slothearnmy bad :P
23:12:09*shuffle2 points at DOOM
23:12:13shuffle2bad doom :(
23:12:46gevaertsshuffle2: is that the compiler crashing, or some kernel or libc thing not liking some memory access patterns?
23:12:57shuffle2probably the latter
23:14:18shuffle2-fno-stack-protector
23:14:20shuffle2yay! :p
23:16:34wodzmay I ask for quick test of FS #11641?
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23:24:03AlexPwodz: I can do H100 in a bit, I'll post on the task when I have
23:26:07soapYes, gevaerts, commenting out #define HAVE_PITCHSCREEN breaks playback. It also breaks the use of "make -j3".
23:26:36*TheSeven bets it also breaks "make -j4" then :P
23:26:41gevaertssoap: I believe the first bit, not the last. That one gets broken by something else :)
23:27:12soapnothing else I do prevents me from using -j or -j3
23:27:19gevaertsSee also about half an hour ago
23:27:29soapthe correlation here is 100%.
23:28:39wodzAlexP: thanks
23:28:43soapanything I can do to help you track it down?
23:28:57soaps/you/anyone/
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23:30:26gevaertssoap: the -j3 breakage is probably a subtle dependency issue. Possibly HAVE_PITCHSCREEN makes just the right difference, but that's not the only trigger
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23:31:43gevaertsNo audio if HAVE_PITCHSCREEN is undefined is going to be fun, unless someone who knows this area well steps in
23:31:49soapI can believe it's not the only trigger. I've been lucky, then, as it's the only one I've hit.
23:32:12soapno audio and playback appears speeded up if not stuttering.
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23:32:47soapThe track time remaining/passed moves ~200% realtime in what appears to be a jumpy fashion.
23:33:45soapI'll gladly get out my stopwatch and time exactly how fast it is running if that would be of any help. FM radio seems unaffected.
23:34:13gevaertsIt sounds to me as if something doesn't pass the audio to the pcm buffer, presumably because it used to go via the pitch stuff that now does nothing
23:34:40gevaertsDoes it go at different speeds if you try different codecs?
23:37:47soapI can test that.
23:38:04soaplet me get a stopwatch and some different codecs.
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23:51:30gevaertsOK, so disabling HAVE_PITCHSCREEN just turns everything into a giant test_codec
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23:52:19*gevaerts thinks someone who understands the audio code should look at this
23:53:32soapMP3 goes at 400% realtime, but hangs the player if second in playlist. Acts "normally" if first file in playlist.
23:55:25soapany change in codec appears to hang the player. "playback" continues but the player becomes unresponsive to button presses and the battery meter displays an incorrect battery voltage.
23:55:56soapand Vorbis "plays" at 360% realtime.

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