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#rockbox log for 2010-09-27

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00:22:22JdGordongevaerts: (incase you didnt figure it out overnight).. the clipv1 fails to build the db with the hsvc pack. keeps saying "reboot to apply"
00:22:35gevaertsah, as I thought
00:22:54JdGordonit looks like if you initialise it before adding those files an update will work
00:23:29pixelmagevaerts: you are correct, main stack usage is 90% on my M5
00:23:40gevaertspixelma: wow, that's a lot...
00:23:51gevaertsThat patch doubled the stack
00:24:05pixelmathat's without the patch
00:24:13gevaertsah, right
00:24:17pixelmaI just enabled the debug option
00:25:57pixelmaand got a hang now while skipping back, nothing to help debugging though :\
00:28:53gevaertspixelma: are you using voice?
00:30:36pixelmacurrently I'm not. All voice options are turned off, voice files are present though
00:31:05JdGordon"23:10gevaertsAnother thing you could try is adding -DBUFFER_ALLOC_DEBUG to EXTRA_DEFINES in the makefile, to see if something overflows a buffer_alloc()ed buffer" <- that almost ertainly wont show up anything from the skin buffer, it is of course possible that internally its buffer is getting mangled whcih would explain things, but it is very unlikely the whole thing is being overrun
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00:32:08gevaertsJdGordon: yes, I know, but I don't know much else to check
00:33:29gevaertspixelma: ok. In that case I think this isn't related to possible stack overflows. The bit right below the main stack on m5 is used for voice (speex to be precise), so if you're not using that, it can't really hurt if it gets overwritten.
00:33:51gevaertsNot that the stack overflowing without a stkov panic is *that* likely in the first place...
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00:36:04clone4crwI'm trying to build the manual, and i'm getting "file 'marvosym.stl' not found".
00:36:38clone4crwi mean "marvosym.sty"
00:37:06gevaertsclone4crw: here that's in package texlive-fonts-recommended
00:37:46pixelmawhat OS do you use to compile?
00:38:07clone4crwUbuntu 10.04
00:38:14clone4crwI'm installing the package now
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00:38:24gevaertsJdGordon: since you were the one who touched this code last (more than three years ago...), do you have opinions on FS #11644 ?
00:39:24JdGordonif the playlist ended where does it resume from?
00:39:39gevaertsthe playlist control file
00:39:53gevaertsIt just doesn't get restarted
00:40:46gevaertsIt works, I'm just not sure if I'm not overlooking something
00:40:46JdGordondunno... if it works its prob ok :p
00:41:13*gevaerts doesn't like rebooting to have noticeable effects :)
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00:42:55clone4crwgevaerts: yep, that worked. thanks!
00:43:07JdGordonclipv1 doesnt work with large db's at all i think
00:43:20*JdGordon needs to get ready for work :(
00:43:30gevaertsJdGordon: let's disable tagcache on the clip :)
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00:49:28clone4crwIs there a better way to get a screenshot of a sim than just pressing PrntScr and cropping it?
00:49:51pixelmagah, playlist viewer "live moving" is now off by one *again*, though somewhat differently to what I remember
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00:52:26JdGordongevaerts: I'm pretty sure there is a better way :)
00:52:39JdGordonlike kicking people with so many files
00:53:14pixelmait actually looks like just the display of the selection bar is off by one now (one track below the moving one), icon is correct
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01:24:33CIA-81New commit by 03mc2739 (r28177): Add Tuomas Airaksinen to docs/CREDITS for r28716
01:26:18CIA-81r28177 build result: All green
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03:00:27[AndrewR]I know rockbox doesn't support malloc, but I thought I read somewhere there are helper functions that emulate it, is that true and can I use it in my plugin?
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03:09:28JdGordon|yes
03:10:13JdGordon|best is to obviously not need it though... are you porting code or writing from scratch?
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03:14:04ed-209hello, how do I tell which version of rockbox I have?
03:14:11ed-209on my player
03:15:44ed-209it says r27008-100621
03:15:50ed-209is this 3.6 ?
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03:18:50ed-209hello
03:18:59krazykitno, it's r27008
03:19:22ed-209so it's older than 3.6 ?
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03:19:51ed-209if it is I'll install 3.6
03:19:56krazykitit's newer
03:20:11ed-209oh damn.
03:20:14Llorean3.6 is quite old at this point.
03:20:35ed-209would you recommend a recent build over the one I have?
03:20:52LloreanAre you having problems with your current build? Is there some new feature you want?
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03:21:20ed-209often the track/artist names don't change for each song
03:21:25[AndrewR]JbGordon|: I'm writing from scratch, so I can do without it
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03:21:47ed-209and there are some features I would absolutely love but I don't think anyone is doing them
03:21:48Lloreaned-209: If you're experiencing problems, it may be wise to back up your old build and install a current one to see if it improves things, then.
03:21:48[AndrewR]I can just give some reasonably large number for my arrays
03:22:11Llorean[AndrewR]: Are you writing a plugin?
03:22:18[AndrewR]I am
03:22:38[AndrewR]I'm writing a plugin to track workouts
03:23:01[AndrewR]I intend to use my sansa while doing the workout and follow what exercises it tells me / record what I do
03:23:10LloreanThe plugin buffer is a fixed size (on a per-target basis, so it may not be the same size on all players, but will always be the same on the same model) and since that memory is reserved for it anyway as long as you're not going to extend beyond its size you may as well use as much of the plugin buffer as you want.
03:23:39[AndrewR]I read the buffer is 512k, that should be plenty
03:24:13[AndrewR]avoiding malloc sounds like a good idea
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03:28:51JdGordon|the plugin buffer is 512K but that includes the space where the actual .rock is loaded so you will get less than that
03:29:09JdGordon|but of course if that isnt enough you can always stop playback and get the full RAM avilable
03:29:22JdGordon|or nearly all of it anyway
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04:51:21clone4crwI think the manuals should contain info on how to use simulators. I'm trying to use the Cowon D2 one with no luck at all
04:51:46JdGordon|feel free to submit a patch
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04:53:25clone4crwWell first I kind of need to know how to use the darn thing. :p
04:53:42clone4crwBut yeah, I'd be willing to do that.
04:54:20clone4crwIf it seems worthwhile to the others around here
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05:23:18JdGordon|why are you using the sim? there is almost no reason now (or should be) unless you are developing
05:23:25JdGordon|code/plugins etc
05:25:15clone4crwand that's what I'm doing
05:25:30JdGordon|ah well then :)
05:25:35clone4crwit took me randomly clicking until I figured out the virtual d-pad
05:25:46clone4crwI think it should be documented SOMEWHERE
05:25:54JdGordon|that is in the manual... why are you using the d2 sim though?
05:26:00clone4crwYeah, maybe not the manual
05:26:16clone4crwtaking screenies for the manual for the resistor calculator
05:26:37JdGordon|the sim tries to resemble the UI as much as possible, so the virtual dpad is the same on the sim and target
05:26:47clone4crwI figured
05:26:56JdGordon|it shouldnt be enabled by default though
05:27:09JdGordon|*that* is bloody stupid (and a fun point to argue all day :p )
05:27:54clone4crwwhat? the d-pad? if not that then what would you use?
05:28:20JdGordon|stylus mode
05:28:26JdGordon|i.e how you;d expect it to work
05:29:04clone4crwyeah, it really is. I mean, sure, i get that its emulating the device as close as possible, but c'mon, at least ALSO map it to the numpad buttons
05:29:59clone4crwI think that would be an even better solution.
05:30:25JdGordon|I thought the numpad arrows worked?
05:31:24clone4crwNope. that's why I ended up randomly clicking all the sim's screen
05:32:25JdGordon|for future reference.. the d2 and ipod video have the same screen so you could just use that instead
05:33:17clone4crwI've been figuring that out with a lot of players the hard way. Stupid me. :p
05:33:35clone4crwOh well.
05:33:51JdGordon|I tihnk there is a wiki page with that listed (and if not, there should be)
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05:36:43clone4crwhttp://www.rockbox.org/wiki/UiSimulator Yeah, there is. It's not that I didn't look, its more that it, like a lot of useful pages, is buried and quite a pain to find.
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05:55:55ddaltonhey guys, I've just pulled my old iriver out which has the rb boot loader installed onto it.
05:56:07ddaltonthe partition table seems screwed up and i get a message like
05:56:20ddaltoncould not find partition insert usb cable now and fix it...
05:56:43ddaltoni created a fat 32 partition on the device is this sufficient, or do I need to use a different partition type?
05:56:52ddaltonthe iriver fw boots find, should I just try flashing again?
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06:03:14clone4crwI don't think RB supports Fat32
06:03:20LloreanRockbox supports FAT32 just fine.
06:03:27clone4crwoh. ok.
06:03:34LloreanPlease, be careful before spreading information.
06:03:47clone4crwsorry. my bad.
06:05:47ddaltonno worries
06:06:02clone4crwit's getting too late for me :/
06:06:10ddaltonLlorean: so mkfs.vfat /dev/partition should be sufficient?
06:07:46Lloreanddalton: Is it the original hard disk?
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06:16:32ddaltonLlorean: yep
06:16:59ddaltoncould be damaged, so im trying to work out if that's the case, though as i said iriver fw boots fine
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06:17:20LloreanThe iRiver firmware boots from flash. Does the iRiver firmware actually play music over time fine?
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06:18:45ddaltonmmm i better check that one
06:18:50ddaltonbecause the disk is blank
06:19:03ddaltonill check now
06:19:13ddaltonthough i can access the disk fine with my linux machine i thnk
06:24:23ddaltonmmmm im awaiting a sighty as im blind, though if that works what should i do from there?
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06:27:02ddaltonLlorean: alright it sayus " 0 songs 0 folders, when I created a folder called 'music' and place an mp3 file in it...
06:27:07LloreanWell, if it just randomly stopped working and it was working before and you made no software changes, it's basically certainly hardware failure
06:27:10ddaltonI suppose that means there is an issue with the hdd?
06:27:13LloreanYeah
06:27:22ddaltonthough I can't understand why it works on the computer
06:28:27ddaltondoes that sound like the hdd is the problem to u considering iriver fw is saying no folders or songs, but I still don't get why the computer can read and write to the disk...?
06:30:50LloreanIt sounds like some form of hardware failure, as I said.
06:32:22ddaltoni agree, but odd the computer reads/writes to the disk perfectly fine.
06:35:53LloreanYou can keep saying that, but it's not going to change the current situation, which is that it doesn't work in the OF or in Rockbox. Even if there were a software solution, it would be impossible to flash a new bootloader to implement it since the disk can't be read.
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06:39:21ddaltonyes, but my point is how can it be hardware related
06:39:58LloreanIt doesn't matter.
06:40:20LloreanIf it were software related, it would be unsolvable as you can't change the software in the player's current state.
06:40:30ddaltonso there is no possibility the iriver fw could be buggy?
06:40:37LloreanWhy does it matter?
06:40:37*JdGordon| was going to say usb doesnt need the harddisk to work, but then remembered the h300 isnt software usb
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06:41:27LloreanJdGordon|: The H100/H300 access the disk differently for USB than for the firmware right? Being hardware USB, the USB hardware could work, but something in the pathways that the firmware need to access the disk could be burnt out / damaged?
06:41:42JdGordon|yeah
06:42:13JdGordon|in theory the OTG port would be usable here, but it still needs code to make that work which hasnt been done :)
06:42:15Lloreanddalton: The point is - if you can't fix the problem, you don't need to keep asking questions. Either it's software and thus unfixable without JTAG, or hardware and thus unfixable without identifying what's broken, which may not be replaceable.
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06:48:24ddaltonok thanks
06:48:43ddaltonis the compact flash an option here?
06:49:03LloreanSince the drive works from the computer, it's *probably* not the drive but some intermediate hardware.
06:49:09LloreanWhich means, most likely, the player is toast.
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07:04:49ddaltonalright fair enough then thnx:)
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08:02:57LloreanJdGordon|: I don't know what sort of technical reason would limit the database like that? I mean, wouldn't it be a matter of just "remembering" the search chain that was used? I mean, there's no guarantee that repeating the same search will get you the same list of files, but other than that...
08:03:33JdGordon|remembering the path is the technical problem, IIUC it isnt excatly trivial
08:03:47JdGordon|that is a very big beef I have with the database
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08:06:32JdGordon|also you arnt guarenteed to get the same files in the filebrowser either
08:07:59LloreanThis is true
08:08:31uberushaximusafter installing r28177-100926 today I get a SD panic whenever USB is plugged in (not charging) on my clip v1, I was using a current build yesterday as well and I didn't have any issues, now OF won't even show up in MSC mode
08:10:54uberushaximusThe exact error is "SD Xfer read err:0x8 Disk 0"
08:19:27factorlooks like the Sansa is a arm chipset, had to download the deb package from an outside source, would have thought arm toolchain would be a default package
08:20:48uberushaximusyeah that is a little strange since debian has an arm port
08:21:08Lloreanfactor: Generally we build rockbox with specific compiler revisions so the pre-available cross compilers generally aren't recommended.
08:21:24LloreanDifferent revisions of GCC can introduce strange errors or behaviors.
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08:25:10factorLlorean, ok
08:25:28factorwill try compiling it with a default one just to test it
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08:26:56factorLlorean, do you guys normal symlink the names of the compiler
08:27:13factorarm-elf-gcc = arm-linux-gcc
08:27:26JdGordon|the buildscripts require the compiler we want you to use
08:27:27LloreanI thought there were instructions in the wiki.
08:27:31Lloreannot to mention rockboxdev.sh
08:27:44factorwould be cool for the configure script to look for both compiler names
08:28:13JdGordon|why? we dont support any builds not built with the compiler we require
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09:18:09jarda-wienhello I recently installed the sansa clip+ port and have a major problem with the clock drifting minutes/hour which make hours after several days
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09:36:57Heishello! i just 5 minutes ago received my sansa fuze. how do i know if it's a v1 or a v2?
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09:41:30dfktby checking which firware version it runs 01.xx.xx or 02.xx.xx
09:42:43Heisso i guess i need a firmware tool from sandisk?
09:42:57dfktno, you just look in the system menu of the player
09:43:14Heiscool
09:44:17Heisv02.03.33. that must be v2
09:45:35Heisthanks, more questions might come as i read up on some forums.
09:47:20pixelmaI'd suggest reading our manual too (or even first)
09:49:02Heisand the SansaAMS wiki? (that's where i started)
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10:12:10Heisany tips on good, functional themes?
10:13:15Heisi just put fuzerock+ on it
10:25:41Heisyay! This was easier than I thought. Thanks for the help :)
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10:44:26keenerdI would like to fix a regression, but am not sure where in the code to look. At some point the line-wrapping algo of the text viewer was changed. It used to be O(1), now it is O(n).
10:44:51keenerdBasically, the further you get in a text file the longer it takes to load.
10:45:31keenerdSeveral minutes on a lower end device with a multi-meg text file.
10:45:56LloreanPick an arbitrarily old build, see if it demonstrates the problem, repeat until you find one that doesn't, then binary search between it and the earliest known "bad" build then see what SVN commit caused the problem?
10:46:32LloreanOr have you already narrowed down to a single commit, and just can't figure out which change within it caused the problem?
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10:46:51keenerdThe first one.
10:47:17keenerdAnything to narrow the search would be helpful. E.g., so-and-so has done most of the work on that module.
10:47:34LloreanYou can just look at the SVN history for the plugin and see when changes happened to it.
10:48:00keenerdThere are a lot. And it was many months, maybe a year ago.
10:48:29LloreanThen what are you looking for? "So and so does most of the work" is answered to you by the SVN log for the plugin anyway.
10:49:20*keenerd shrugs. "A single question can save weeks of experimentation."
10:49:31LloreanYes, but you need to have a question to ask, first.
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10:51:43pixelmakeenerd: are you saying that the text viewer used to take the width of "n" as the average character width and now it is taking the width of "1"? Did you already find it in the code? (otherwise I'm also not sure what you are asking)
10:51:58gevaertskeenerd: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/plugins/text_viewer/?view=log may help
10:52:08gevaertspixelma: no, he means it's a lot slower now :)
10:52:31gevaertsO(1) means "constant time", O(n) means "time proportional with amount of data"
10:52:34Lloreanpixelma: O(1) meaning that it took a constant time before, with O(n) meaning the time it takes is now a function of n (presumably referring to how far down you are in the file)
10:52:38keenerdgevaerts: Thank you.
10:52:46pixelmaI see
10:52:53*Llorean thought he referred keenerd to the SVN history for it already
10:53:05Lloreankeenerd: You strongly implied you'd already read it when you said "there are a lot"
10:53:27keenerdLlorean: Yeah, but he is trying :-)
10:53:55Lloreankeenerd: Anyway, it'll only take a few hours of binary searching *at most* to track down the individual revision.
10:54:06LloreanEspecially if you know the general time frame of "about a year ago" to start with.
10:56:24pixelmait seemed more inaccurate to me lately too as in "a greater part of a word is missing with the font I use" lately but I just know there were a lot of changes a few months ago and I don't use the viewer regularly enough to be sure if it really changed or if it was just a coincidence with the one text I was viewing when noticing
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11:08:30Heishmm, i can't find the button for database update.
11:09:04Heissorry, i found it..
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13:22:48wodzI have a questions - considering I have uint16_t array[] filled with values in big endian uint16_t values. If I do a = *(uint16_t *)array; I'll get value in host or be order?
13:23:41Zagorthe order of the data never changes
13:23:45wodzargh uint8_t array[]
13:24:21wodzso a is BE than right?
13:24:31LinusNyes
13:25:51wodznow if I write a>>8 what do I get?
13:26:06wodzarray[0] or array[1] ?
13:26:27Zagorwhat type is a?
13:26:35LinusNwodz: that depends on the endianness of the CPU
13:26:37wodzuint16_t
13:27:03Zagorwodz: you'll the the first byte
13:27:17wodzheh
13:27:36Zagoractually, that's wrong. Linus is right.
13:28:30wodzso to free my mind from endianness I have to do a = betoh16(*(uint16_t *)array) ?
13:28:49Zagoryes
13:28:53wodzgood
13:28:59wodzthx
13:30:01Zagoror use ntohs() which is more portable
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13:37:31AlcoholicHi how can I tell if my 4 GB Sansa Clip is v1 or v2? all I know is the Firmware version is: v01.01.29F
13:38:46gevaertsThat's a v1
13:39:09AlcoholicThank you :)
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13:44:31barfstersvn co WHAT?
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13:47:33barfstersvn co http://svn.rockbox.org/ ?
13:48:10gevaertsbarfster: it may help if you say what you want to do
13:48:19barfsterdownload r28177
13:48:36barfsterI would like to checkout r28177
13:48:43gevaertssvn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk rockbox
13:48:44barfsterfrom the rockbox repo
13:49:15gevaertsthat last "rockbox" being the local directory where it will be put
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13:53:25barfstergevaerts: and now I would like to apply a patch
13:53:45barfstergevaerts: Thanks it all donwnloaded
13:53:51barfsterAnd now I would like to apply a patch
13:55:24gevaertsYou're in luck! We have a wiki page about that: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/WorkingWithPatches
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14:01:06lb10anyone here care to help me with a problem i'm having with ipodpatcher?
14:02:11gevaertslb10: only if you say what the problem is!
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14:04:38lb10i run ipodpatcher to install iloader on my 2g ipod nano and everytime I run ipodpatcher it gives me this message [ERR] *** ipodpatcher does not support the 2nd Generation Nano!
14:05:14gevaertsLooks like you have an old ipodpatcher then
14:05:55gevaertshm
14:06:20gevaertsmaybe not
14:06:25TheSevenyou need at least ipodpatcher 5.0
14:06:39TheSevenI already had someone with a v4 patcher some days ago
14:06:47TheSevenso there must be an old link floating around somewhere
14:06:59gevaertsTheSeven: that string still appears in the current source
14:07:08lb10thx
14:07:31TheSevenif your patcher version is less than 5.0, try one from http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/ipodpatcher/ instead
14:07:33gevaertsBut yes, checking the version is a good first step :)
14:07:57barfsterHow can I check out r28156?
14:08:15lb10prog says ipodpatcher 4.0 with v3.0 bootloaders (v1.0 for 2nd Gen Nano
14:08:30gevaertsbarfster: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/UsingSVN
14:09:35gevaertslb10: try a newer one first then
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14:13:40lb10just tried new patcher still gives same error
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14:14:54barfsternew patcher?
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14:14:59barfsterWhy not use patch < ?
14:18:40gevaertsBecause that's not what this is about
14:20:52lb10could there be a bug in the prog?
14:21:18gevaertsyes
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14:22:50barfsterI have now patched r28156, how do I compile it?
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14:23:12barfsterI would like to compile it for ipod photo
14:23:17barfsteraka ipco
14:24:03gevaertslb10, TheSeven: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20091021#16:33:11 has some info. Apparently there's indeed a bug in ipodpatcher, linuxstb identified it and fixed it, but apparently he never committed the fix...
14:24:27gevaertsbarfster: start from http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/DevelopmentGuide
14:25:49lb10thx
14:26:22gevaertslb10: if that's correct, you're probably using a rather old version of the Apple firmware on the ipod. Is that right?
14:26:33gevaertsIf not, there's *another* bug...
14:27:24lb10it was updated recently
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14:28:45gevaertsOr maybe the idea that this is only for old firmware is wrong
14:30:18barfsterSo as soon as rockboxdev.sh has run I should be able to configure?
14:30:18gevaertslb10: which operating system are you using?
14:30:37lb10ubuntu lucid
14:31:24gevaerts32bit or 64bit?
14:31:32lb1032
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14:38:34gevaertslb10: try gevaerts/ipodpatcher">http://www.evonet.be/~gevaerts/ipodpatcher
14:40:13gevaertsTheSeven: it looks like the block starting at line 401 in ipodpatcher/main.c can just go. Opinions?
14:41:33lb10doesn't give the error thx alot
14:48:56barfsterI tried to run rockboxdev.sh
14:49:05barfsterbut it gave me errors after a while
14:49:42barfsterlibtool: compile: gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I../../binutils-2.20.1/bfd -I. -I../../binutils-2.20.1/bfd -I../../binutils-2.20.1/bfd/../include -I./../intl -DBINDIR=\"/usr/local/bin\" -W -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Werror -U_FORTIFY_SOURCE -MT elf32-arm.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/elf32-arm.Tpo -c ../../binutils-2.20.1/bfd/elf32-arm.c -o elf32-arm.o
14:49:50barfsterlast line that run before errros
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14:52:55barfsterhttp://pastie.org/1184195
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14:53:55JdGordondoes anyone have any plans to implement the buffer_borrow() thing we talked about yesterday?
14:54:01TheSevengevaerts: I wonder why that ever worked...
14:54:15JdGordonI might just work on it on the plane tomorow night if noone else wants to
14:55:15gevaertsJdGordon: feel free, and good luck with keeping your sanity :)
14:55:32JdGordonno need to worry about that
14:57:32barfsterrunning the script rockboxdev.sh on MacOS X gave me this: http://pastie.org/1184195 anything more needed for anyone to look at why?
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15:00:58gevaertsbarfster: there are some issues with building the toolchains on OS X. Have a look at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11643
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15:06:14barfsterThanks
15:06:23barfsterpatch applied
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15:34:17barfsterHmm, I ran rockboxdev.sh without errors
15:34:34barfsterhowever which arm-elf-gcc returns nothing
15:37:13barfsterI ran rockbox dev with the e option arm-eabi
15:39:37AlexPDoes which show commands not in $PATH, and did you add the compiler directory to $PATH as rockboxdev.sh tells you?
15:40:11barfsterHmm, it told me to add: /usr/local/bin
15:40:18barfsterbut when I did echo $PATH it was already in there
15:40:20AlexPthat should do it then
15:40:21gevaertse doesn't build arm-elf-gcc
15:40:34barfsterAha
15:40:35gevaertsIt builds arm-elf-eabi-gcc
15:41:07barfster# which arm-elf-eabi-gcc
15:41:07barfster/usr/local/bin/arm-elf-eabi-gcc
15:41:49barfsterThen point 4 on this page: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/HowToCompile lacks which arm-elf-eabi-gcc
15:42:07AlexPIt's a wiki :)
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16:47:57keenerdLlorean: There is no way bisecting a year+ old regression is going to take "a few hours". I don't know what sort of supercomputer you have, but it takes me 10 minutes to checkout and 20 minutes to build. But because of the (relatively) vast spans of time involved, gcc and binutils need to be rebuilt.
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16:49:14keenerdSo that adds an hour to things. And of course is the ever present fear that I'll be crossing over that invisible line when the bootloader was overhauled, bricking my device. (Guess it is time to get the simulator working.)
16:49:26gevaertskeenerd: we've used *two* gcc/binutils combinations in that time, and those can coexist. Building those takes 15 minutes each on my laptop
16:50:19Torneyou don't need to check out again each time either
16:50:30gevaertsAnd a current bootloader should be able to load all rockbox versions from the past year on all devices
16:50:32Tornejust update to a different revision and it only has to download the changes
16:50:50AlexPkeenerd: It takes me a maximum of 3 or 4 minutes for a build, and that's on a standard core2duo
16:51:05AlexPAnd once the initial checkout is done, then it is dead quick as torne says
16:51:31gevaertsAnd for bisecting the 6000 revisions of the past year you need 13 builds
16:51:35Tornemy single core semron with a crippled cache builds in about 10 minutes even :)
16:51:47Tornegevaerts: even less if you onyl count textviewer changes
16:52:04gevaertsTorne: yes, in that case you probably need four or so
16:52:07keenerdI am so poor I am using a $15 mp3 player with a 1.25" screen as an ebook reader. You have no idea how much my computer sucks.
16:52:50Torneour point is that computers from even six or seven years ago build faster tahn that, so perhaps you are doing something wrong, or just engaging in hyperbole :)
16:52:50AlexPMaybe, but Llorean's initial statement was accurate, with no need for a "supercomputer"
16:53:18keenerdMost likely the former. I try not to waste your time.
16:53:31AlexPIIRC my atom builds in ten minutes or so
16:53:47Torneyou could also only build the main binary and the plugin
16:53:51Torneyou don't need to build everything
16:53:58Tornewhich would substantially reduce the time
16:54:20gevaertsOr just look at the svn log for likely candidates :)
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17:02:59keenerdUnrelated gripe. Please don't be annoyed at people for how insanely hard it is to find the web interface for the repo. Even googling "svn.rockbox.org site:rockbox.org" does not get you to it. (Though it is mentioned in passing in the 14th hit, a bugtracker entry.) If you don't know it is not there, you are not going to find it.
17:03:45keenerd*double negative fail
17:04:08n1skeenerd: svn has apretty nice "log" commad that prints the log for what you want
17:04:38Tornethe recent activity for svn on the front page all links directly to it too
17:05:46n1si agree though that finding the repo web interface is not obvious at first
17:06:00Torneit should porbably be in the sidebar
17:06:08n1snot a bad idea
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17:15:57AlexPyeah, it isn't clear
17:16:11AlexPIn fact, I alwyas click on a recent commit, then go to where I want to :)
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17:19:42n1sme too
17:20:30gevaertsI just use svn log :)
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17:44:31leachim6hey
17:45:05leachim6I've got the latest rockbo on my Sansa Fuze v1, I can't get it to use Rockbox usb mode.....sometimes, for no apparently predictable reason, it uses the rockbox USB mode.....
17:45:18leachim6but usually when I plug the USB lead in, it reboots into the official os
17:45:38leachim6it says on the page "To allow booting into Rockbox upon USB connection while power is off, you must create a new patched firmware upgrade file using mkamsboot v1.4 and a v2.0 bootloader file. Links to mkamsboot and the bootloader files can be found in the manual installation section below."
17:45:47leachim6I don't know how to do this, is there a guide somewhere?
17:47:34evilnick_Bleachim6: Try: http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-sansafuze/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-110002.2.2
17:48:23leachim6is there an automatic way to use the rockbox USB mode?
17:48:27leachim6that I can just enable
17:49:29evilnick_BIf you're using a recent (i.e. svn) build then it should (afaik) work while the player is on, but in order to use Rockbox's USB mode when the player is off then you'd need to follow the instructions that I linked to.
17:50:05leachim6evilnick_B, ok, so I need to reflash the bootloader?
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17:50:39evilnick_BOnce it's been patched, yes.
17:51:00evilnick_BAnd that will allow the Fuze to use Rockbox's USB mode if you plug it in while the Fuze is off
17:51:46leachim6alright, now see that line that links too that says "Fuze v1: An original firmware (OF), the bootloader, the normal Rockbox build.
17:51:46leachim6"
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17:52:06leachim6how do I patch the bootloader? is that bootloader file there already patched?
17:55:19leachim6can you explain how the "patching" bit works?
17:55:24evilnick_BIs this from the link that I mentioned?
17:56:13evilnick_BThe instructions on how to patch are literally just below that section
17:57:53leachim6right, I'm just confused on what 'patched' means....
17:58:03leachim6how is that different than the patched version I installed with rbutil
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18:06:42evilnick_BIt's a newer version of the bootloader
18:06:50*evilnick_B *thinks*
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18:07:24evilnick_Bleachim6: It might be best to wait for someone with that model to reply, I have the v2 Fuze.
18:08:35n1si have a v1 fuze, i just used sansapatcher on whatever OF is linked from manual
18:09:27evilnick_Bsansapatcher or mkamsboot?
18:09:48leachim6sansapatcher
18:09:53leachim6can I get that on the wiki?
18:10:13n1ssorry, mkamsboot
18:10:36leachim6oh ok
18:10:41n1sanyway, i just followed the instructions and they worked
18:10:43leachim6so, I already havce rockbox installed
18:10:58leachim6how can I just have it update the bootloader without messing up any of my settings?
18:11:19n1sand the problem is that usb connection while the player is off *sometimes* boots rockbox usb mode and sometimes the OF?
18:11:35n1sthe bootloader has no effect of your settings
18:13:13leachim6right....
18:13:23leachim6so an easy way to remedy the situation is just to turn the play on
18:13:25leachim6then plug in the USB
18:13:27leachim6am I right?
18:13:32leachim6not idea, but a simple fix
18:13:33n1sshould work
18:13:34leachim6*ideal
18:13:46leachim6but here's my problem...
18:13:58leachim6even if Im in rockbox.....when I plug hte USB in, it reboots into OFW
18:14:03leachim6is that how it's setup by default?
18:15:00n1sthat is no setting, if your build has usb support enabled it will not reboot to rockbox so you are probably using a very old build
18:15:15n1sare you sure it's a v1 fuze?
18:15:38n1sv2 doesn't have usb yet
18:16:27leachim6"./mkamsboot fuzea.bin bootloader-fuze.sansa patched.bin " is what I ran
18:16:30leachim6yes, it's v1.
18:17:28leachim6ok, problem.
18:17:33leachim6I reinstalled the patched bootloader.
18:17:37leachim6I plug in my USB lead
18:17:42leachim6and it boots into rockbox, shows the menu
18:17:44leachim6and then instantly reboots.
18:17:53n1sso what rockbox build is on it?
18:18:03leachim6uh....
18:18:09leachim6whichever one is in rockboxutility...
18:18:12leachim6which I guess is SVN
18:19:59leachim6should I try updating it?
18:22:02n1swell, rockboxutility can install either the release build or a current so which one did you choose? i'd guess release since you don't know so an update is a good idea i think, although the release build should have working usb afaik
18:22:22leachim6yeah, that's what I don't get.
18:23:03leachim6ok, I'm installing the dev version now
18:23:06n1stry a current build
18:23:21leachim6will this overwrite my themes?
18:23:50n1sno, but they might not work anymore since the wps stuff has changed a bit
18:24:30leachim6ok, it works
18:24:32leachim6sweet
18:24:35leachim6thanks for everyone's help.
18:24:57leachim6I'm usually pretty technologically proficient, what baffled me is , I coudlv'e sworn I installed the dev build originally....I must've used a release
18:25:08leachim6holy sh**
18:25:14leachim6I can use my fuze to change the volume on my mac????
18:25:17leachim6how does that even work!?!?
18:26:23n1sah, no i was wrong, usb was not enabled for fuze in the release so this makes sense
18:26:47n1sleachim6: it sends usb hid events to the host when you press buttons while it's connected
18:26:57n1sjust like the media buttons on a keyboard
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18:27:35leachim6sorry, that's just like....the coolest thing ever!
18:27:44leachim6this sansa's one of the coolest players I've ever used
18:27:59leachim6I just bought another 8gb v1 off of woot for 40 bucks shipped
18:28:01leachim6did anyone else see that woot?
18:28:22leachim6can I create custom HID modes?
18:28:57Torneif you write a plugin, yes
18:29:40leachim6also, how can I put pictureflow on the main menu?
18:29:48leachim6I know it can be done, I just need to know which file to edit
18:29:56leachim6I know a bit of c, probably enough to figure it out
18:30:01Torneit can't particularly easily, actually
18:30:12leachim6really?
18:30:24leachim6I read somewhere that the entire menu selection was contained in one c source file.
18:30:31Torneit's a plugin, you can't just add those to a menu
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18:30:54Torneyou'd need to write some code to launch the plugin and make that a new menu option
18:31:48leachim6well, let's see.....
18:31:53leachim6is the fm radio not a plugin?
18:31:58Torneno
18:32:11leachim6none of the things on the main menu are plugins, huh.....
18:32:16leachim6so there's no code I can just copy/paste
18:32:23Tornethe plugin menu is just a file browser of the directory with the plugins in.
18:34:37leachim6so, what you're saying is....there's no easy way to put a plugin on the main menu
18:34:42Torneqno.
18:34:53Tornethat's what i said :)
18:35:04leachim6haha, dang
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18:35:13leachim6that seems like a bit of a developmental oversight to me
18:35:34gevaertsWhy?
18:35:41Tornewe don't have customisable menus
18:35:47leachim6yeah, I know.
18:35:47leachim6why?
18:35:56leachim6the official iPod firmware has it
18:36:02Torneso you can't put *anything* on the main menu :)
18:36:03leachim6rockbox is supposed to have more, no?
18:36:16Tornerockbox is not a copy of any original firmware
18:36:23evilnick_BSupporting users who've messed up their menu would be a big pain
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18:36:38leachim6evilnick_B, I guess that's a good point
18:36:40Torneif you want to implement customisable menu support go ahead
18:36:50leachim6Torne, haha, tradditional opensource people.
18:36:51gevaertsMatching feature list checkboxes from OFs is *not* a rockbox development goal
18:36:53Tornethere is a list of some of the potential issues on the wiki
18:36:58leachim6yes, yes, I know.
18:37:05leachim6I didn't have a good point, I'll admit.
18:37:06evilnick_BIt'd have to be done the right way too
18:37:17leachim6I'm just speaking of the implementation
18:37:24leachim6does the menu really need to be compiled in?
18:37:32leachim6why not have it in plaintext and then parsed
18:37:32Torneright now it does, yes
18:37:33leachim6speed?
18:37:49Tornebecause nobody has implemented any other way
18:38:02Tornedoing it like that is unlikely to be efficient or small
18:38:17leachim6yeah, you have a point
18:38:22leachim6I guess it'd be a bit of a kludge
18:38:26n1sleachim6: it's mainly that nobody has wanted that feature enough to make it, not that we are strongly against it as such
18:38:31Torneeverything which is always needed is compiled into the main binary
18:38:31evilnick_BEventually it comes down to who has the desire and time to code it and a lot of the developers see other things as higher priority
18:38:43leachim6well, maybe I'll figure it out
18:38:51Torneplease do :)
18:40:24leachim6hah....I like the rockbox ascii art in the headers
18:42:50leachim6what's easier, writing my own HID preset, or figuring out how to customize the menu in you guys' opinion?
18:43:22Tornechanging the hid keymap is easy
18:43:39Torneeither modify the one in core or modify the remote_control plugin
18:44:42gevaertsLaunching a plugin from a menu should be easy too. Look for how the credits plugin is handled
18:44:59Torneoh yeah, that one..
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18:47:04leachim6:/
18:47:12leachim6I upadated to current, and now my theme's all broke.
18:47:13leachim6not cool.
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18:48:17n1sleachim6: <n1s> no, but they might not work anymore since the wps stuff has changed a bit
18:48:27leachim6yeah, I noted that.
18:48:35leachim6but it turns out this theme was just updated.
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18:48:47leachim6so I just installed the updated version
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18:54:02leachim6likemindead, so....do new plugins come out very often?
18:54:14leachim6I've been using rockbox for around 3 years, and I haven't seen one yet.
18:54:18leachim6except maybe the USB HID one
18:54:28leachim6and pictureflow.
18:54:44likemindeadI have no idea. I'm just a non-technical end user / FLOSS zealot. :D
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18:56:17evilnick_Bleachim6: You haven't been paying attention then!
18:57:10Guest97244hey there, the Rockbox is great, I realy appreciate your work, but I have one problem. Some songs are listed double in my Database. I already checked if the songs are two times on my Sansa SanDisk but I can only find them once. What to do?
18:59:25gevaertsGuest97244: that sort of thing is often caused by some trash or recycle bin on the player that's put there by the OS
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19:00:49Guest97244hmm, where could I find this trash to delete it?
19:01:14gevaertsOne way is to get properties from the tracks in the database
19:02:38gevaertsFor both versions of a track, press long-select to get the context menu, pick "properties", and look at the path
19:02:58gevaertsIf this is the cause, they'll be different, and you'll know where to look
19:05:42pixelmaleachim6: there's a "skinupdater" tool in the source which you can either compile yourself or you find something in the forums. If it was possible, then themes already on the theme site had been updated as well so you could download them if you have some from there
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19:12:53leachim6pixelma, already did
19:13:33leachim6pixelma, thanks though
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19:36:36crowdoes "usb" driver works on ipod nano 2g ?
19:37:57AlexP"yes" :)
19:44:02crowAlexP thnx :)
19:44:17barfsterEhh
19:44:17AlexPcrow: I think there might be the odd problem with HID though
19:44:20barfsterFully ?
19:44:55barfsteriPod Nano 2g supposedly do not work as a dongle for PS3
19:45:03AlexPThat is nothing to do with it
19:45:19barfsterAhh, now what’s the issue then?
19:45:23AlexPYou have to rape the controller to make that work and not all let you
19:45:24barfsterMost other parts seem to be green
19:45:33AlexPNormal USB is another story
19:47:11crowwanna try that ps3 stuff on it :)
19:47:19gevaertsbarfster: if a device supports this PS3 thing, it's no longer usb, which is why the nano2g does fully support usb, but the nano1g doesn't
19:48:11crowis it allowed here to talk about ps3? and psgrove patchs?
19:48:23AlexPIt isn't really to do with Rockbox
19:48:23gevaertsit's not really on topic here
19:48:40barfsterBut plugins or patches...
19:48:44crowok thats reason i ask if its ok :)
19:48:44gevaertsUnless you're porting rockbox to run on the ps3 of course
19:48:51AlexPbarfster: It is neither
19:49:00crowgevaerts not that much knowelage :((
19:49:08AlexPIt isn't ever going to get into Rockbox, and isn't intended to
19:49:16crowi am trying to patch source but fails as mismatch
19:50:12barfsterwhich platform are you trying to compile on?
19:50:25AlexPIf this is psgroove, then please take it elsewhere
19:50:31AlexPIt really isn't on topic for here
19:50:51crowshure will not post here about it :)
19:50:56AlexPthanks :)
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20:29:38bluebroth3rbarfster: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11643
20:30:57barfsterbluebroth3r: Thanks I already compiled the x-compiler
20:31:18bluebroth3rso you got it working with that patch?
20:33:29barfsterNah
20:33:38barfsterWell the x-compiler compiled without errors
20:33:44barfsterHowever compiling rockbox failed
20:33:56bluebroth3rhow did you compile the cross compiler without binutils?
20:34:07barfsterwithout binutils?
20:34:41barfsterAren’t those already in XCode or ports?
20:34:47bluebroth3rwell, when building a cross compiler toolchain you need to build binutils, then gcc
20:34:59barfsterI followed the how-to
20:35:03bluebroth3ryou need binutils build for cross compiling too
20:35:14bluebroth3rwhich howto?
20:35:42barfsterI ran just: rockboxdev.sh
20:35:58barfsterBut there is another one
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20:36:21bluebroth3rhmm, rockboxdev.sh doesn't build the eabi toolchain on 10.6 without the FS task I've posted above
20:36:25barfsterhttp://www.rockbox.org/wiki/CrossCompiler
20:36:39barfsterAhh
20:36:49barfsterThat’s why it’s broken then
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20:37:07barfsterBut I applied that patch today
20:37:18barfstergevaerts gave me the same link
20:37:20*bluebroth3r is confused
20:37:36barfsterSo that is not the reason why it does not compile
20:38:00bluebroth3rok, so you applied FS #11643, then ran rockboxdev.sh to build the eabi toolchain. The toolchain did build but rockbox built with that toolchain crashes?
20:38:25barfsterit did not crash
20:38:30barfsterit compiled with errors
20:38:34barfsterbut no binaries
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20:38:58bluebroth3rthat doesn't sound like a problem with the toolchain then (you're talking about building Rockbox now, right?)
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20:47:00barfsteraffirmative
20:47:16barfsterDo you feel like reading the output?
20:49:50bluebroth3rok, so FS #11643 works for others too and I can commit that. Great.
20:49:57bluebroth3rsure, can you pastebin it?
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20:59:20barfsterI tried make -j earlier today
20:59:29barfsterI just did make clean
20:59:34barfsterand now I am doing make
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21:04:44CIA-81r28178 build result: All green
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21:14:20sudomanhi, I just reformatted my 5.5g ipod on ubuntu 10.04. if i understand the directions correctly, my ipod needs to reboot to update the contents of the rom. however, i don't know how to eject it. (i had "umounted" it to do the various previous steps.) right now, the ipod screen is flashing "do not disconnect". how should i proceed?
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21:16:00sudomani can feel the hd spinning too.
21:16:14gevaertsunplug it?
21:16:40gevaertsOr use the eject command if you *really* want to
21:17:37bluebroth3rwhy does some ROM contents need updating after reformatting it?
21:18:32sudomanthanks, the eject command worked. :)
21:18:50sudomanbluebroth3r: i think it's because the previous step was to put on a new firmware image
21:18:57n1sbluebroth3r: if he installed a newer OF than he had before it will flash rom on first reboot (if it needs to)
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21:27:23bluebroth3rwell, "reformat" doesn't include "restore" from my understanding but only "reformat the data partition". If you put a new firmware partition on it things are different.
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21:28:07sudomanyeah, that's what i did. i followed these directions: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IpodManualRestore
21:28:24sudomansorry for the confusion ;)
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