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#rockbox log for 2010-10-08

00:00:14KillzoneAgencyI know I'm just not sure if the Ipod is fourth generation, I thought those other details may be able to help
00:00:33LloreanApple has a page for identifying iPods.
00:00:47KillzoneAgencyDo you have a link by any chance?
00:00:58LloreanGoogling it should bring it up pretty easily.
00:01:42KillzoneAgencyOk, thanks very much :)
00:02:04pixelmait's linked from some Rockbox wiki page, IdentifyPlayer I believe
00:03:15KillzoneAgencyAh, I've found it... I've got a fourth generation :(
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00:36:32soapTorne, re:FS #5230. How many people (I agree the iPod Video is prevalent) actually ever use the hold switch?
00:38:18Tornei would guess practically everyone
00:38:34saratogaon the ipods you kind of have to since the touch screen goes nuts in your pocket
00:38:50Torneyeah
00:38:58Tornemine is on hold about 99.9% of the time
00:39:49soaphuh. My hold switch is most likely inoperable due to grime accumulation. I have never used it.
00:40:55Torneisn't just about *every* mp3 player on hold 99% of the time?
00:41:29soapI guess my use-case of wearing them external (not in a pocket) and never using the hold switch is uncommon.
00:41:32Tornebut specifically yes, my ipod video can be operated quite happily through the pocket of whatever garment it's in
00:41:44Torneso if i didn't have it on hold, brushing my hand over my coat would change the volume
00:42:04Torneand bumping someone would change tracks :)
00:42:36Lloreansoap: I had my Nano on hold pretty much constantly
00:42:41LloreanMeanwhile I never use hold on my Gigabeat.
00:43:13LloreanThe main reason I'd have it on hold was because it was easy to brush the touchwheel while putting it into or taking it out of my pocket. I was never concerned about track skipping or anything.
00:43:21Tornesoap: so yeah, if i use it i'll be turning hold on and off fifty plus times a day
00:43:35soapnevermind, then! ;)
00:43:44Torneand since 5230 was closed it's never done the thing where it doesn't work after
00:44:19*Llorean finds the H100 the only player of his that he really, really considers hold essential though.
00:44:47LloreanWell, maybe the D2 but I've never put that in my pocket.
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03:02:09[AndrewR]hi all, my plugin is coming along well, just have a question about putsxy. I can't figure out a way to change the font size, any way to do that?
03:02:50JdGordon|are you using a viewport?
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03:04:53[AndrewR]I'm not sure, I'm just using the lcd_* functions
03:04:56[AndrewR]stuff on http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/GraphicsAPI
03:05:19TruthTacoI think I might have screwed up my fuze, its a v1. I was trying to update the roxbox firmware and somehow I screwed up the original firmware and now the regular firmware wont boot, it wont let me charge the player in rockbox mode... or stay connected long enough to change files
03:05:35[AndrewR]should I be using a viewport?
03:06:16JdGordon|well, you dont really need to, but it will make things easier if oyu want to support the lcd rmeotes...
03:06:31JdGordon|all you really need to do is call lcd_set_font() (i tihnk)\
03:07:26JdGordon|TruthTaco: hold left while booting
03:08:34[AndrewR]setfont doesn't have an option for size, are there simply a bunch of fonts for each size? ex. monaco_8 monaco_10 etc?
03:08:45JdGordon|yes
03:09:07JdGordon|its all bitmap fonts with no scaling, so whatever height the font is comes from the file
03:09:10[AndrewR]do you know where I can find a list of fonts available?
03:09:14[AndrewR]ah
03:09:19TruthTacooh dam there it goes, i could have sworn I was supposed to hold the up buttom
03:09:21TruthTacoerr button
03:09:22JdGordon|.rockbox/fonts on your dap
03:10:02JdGordon|rasher.dk/rockbox/fontstats/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/fontstats/ which is more info than you need
03:10:55TruthTacothanks a ton
03:11:10JdGordon|what is your plugin for?
03:11:25JdGordon|or, how does it use the screen?
03:11:58[AndrewR]ok, I see a list of .bdf fonts. how do I figure out which int to pass to setfont to get the font I want?
03:12:12[AndrewR]it's mostly a bunch of custom lists
03:12:13JdGordon|you load the font by name
03:12:30JdGordon|then font 1 is the font you loaded
03:12:36[AndrewR]it's an app for tracking workouts
03:12:48[AndrewR]http://github.com/andrewroth/rockbox_workout/wiki/brainstorming
03:13:12JdGordon|or you go to a little bit more work and load the font into the skin buffer (which is on the todo list, but not done for plugins yet)
03:14:28[AndrewR]void (*lcd_setfont)(int font);
03:14:53JdGordon|ah, if its all text based then you should use the standard list widget and multiscreen api so there is no effort making it work on every target (which means it might even be accepted!)
03:15:12[AndrewR]yeah, I considered that... but I want to do some fancy things in the lists
03:15:21[AndrewR]colors, sections
03:15:30[AndrewR]like the top 2/3 will be the list of exercises, workouts, etc.
03:15:40JdGordon|colours can be done easily, sections can be done with multiple viewports/lists
03:15:59JdGordon|a bit of effort at the start, but then never need to touchh it again
03:16:01[AndrewR]then the buttom 1/3 a current workout info ex "Rest 30s, then set to 150 lb"
03:17:08[AndrewR]ok, I see font_load
03:19:03*JdGordon| doesnt know a good example plugin for the multiscreen api :/
03:19:31[AndrewR]any chance you can just show me the 1 or 2 lines it takes to load another font?
03:19:44[AndrewR]or point me to an example somewhere?
03:20:41JdGordon|ideally you want to call skin_font_load() (in apps/gui/skin_engine/skin_fonts.c, not in the pluign API yet)
03:20:51[AndrewR]what does it take to get a plugin accepted?
03:21:41JdGordon|someone to think its useful, and the less effort needed to keep it working on new targets the better
03:21:43[AndrewR]oh, that's your code? :)
03:23:42JdGordon|yeah, I would recommend ignoring the fonts and get the rest of your plugin working. or if you really want to load a font then make a fontlib for the plugins to do the work correctly (not very hard)
03:24:49JdGordon|the correct way is... 1) call skin_font_load(), if that works then just pass on the return value, if not then 2) do the same thing but use a buffer from get_plugin_buffer() (or a passed in block)
03:25:11JdGordon|then just some magic to free the font number when the plugin closes and bob's your uncle
03:26:41[AndrewR]a fontlib?
03:26:54[AndrewR]calling skin_font_load at the startup seems like it should work
03:27:02JdGordon|fancy word for a new file to make font loading in plugins easier
03:27:23JdGordon|it wont always work, that uses the skin buffer which could be filled by the theme
03:28:23JdGordon|if I wasnt at work I'd code up that for you in a few minutes :/
03:31:10[AndrewR]you mean contribute to skin_fonts by writing something for plugin font loading?
03:32:13JdGordon|well, it would go in apps/plugins/pluginlib, but yeah
03:32:21[AndrewR]yeah my plugin probably won't get officially accepted, at least not the first version
03:32:35[AndrewR]I'm making it more as a proof of concept, and for me personally (a bit selfish but hey)
03:32:47[AndrewR]though I will keep it hosted on github, so anybody can take it
03:33:28[AndrewR]I plan to have a ruby on rails app as a front end, and sync workout data
03:34:20JdGordon|well its up to you of course, but something like the font loading bit would defintly be accepted
03:35:09[AndrewR]I'm not sure I see what more is required though, skin_font_load looks like all a plugin needs
03:35:28[AndrewR]then call unload at the end
03:35:30[AndrewR]?
03:35:42JdGordon|the problem is it uses a static buffer which the theme is loaded into (including images) so it might not have enough room to load a font
03:35:48JdGordon|fonts take up ~10KB iirc
03:36:30JdGordon|so what the pluginlib really needs is a wrapper for that to use some of the plugin buffer if it doesnt fit in the skin one
03:36:31[AndrewR]hmm, I'm not familiar with what the theme entails. Is that the rockbox theme for the general look and feel?
03:36:37JdGordon|yes
03:38:22[AndrewR]ah, interesting.. font_table[MAXUSERFONTS] is where that static buffer is?
03:38:57JdGordon|no, thats just a table to store the font ids, and stuff.. the actual buffer is elsewhere
03:39:04[AndrewR]would you envision the plugin font helper thing using skin_font_load? or refactoring skin_font_load a bit to use that?
03:39:35JdGordon|the first
03:39:53[AndrewR]skin_buffer_alloc?
03:40:38[AndrewR]I thought skin_font_load would be allocating the system buffer, thus you'd need to refactor
03:41:06[AndrewR]pf->buffer_start = (char *)skin_buffer_alloc(SKIN_FONT_SIZE) −− that it?
03:41:11JdGordon|no, it allocates from the skin buffer which is safe
03:41:19JdGordon|that code shoudlnt need to be touched
03:41:37JdGordon|back in 20.. lunch time
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03:42:08[AndrewR]I need to go to but I'll keep this in mind, I'll try to bbl maybe over the weekend
03:42:17[AndrewR]thanks for the help
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04:46:28darkenvyokay ive been here the last two days but I have one more issue
04:47:01darkenvyI installed the 240gb hdd and it worked great initially with the 10 songs I tested it with
04:47:21darkenvynow I put 20gb of techno on it and rockbox is incredibly slow/non-responcive
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04:48:42JdGordon|enable dircache
04:48:49darkenvywhere is the setting?
04:49:00JdGordon|settings > system > disk
04:49:04darkenvyit also locks up in the player screen mainly
04:50:37darkenvyBEAUTIFUL!
04:51:45darkenvythanks
04:51:46darkenvyJdGordon, you and Torne have been extreamly helful
04:53:22JdGordon|sorry, we try not to make it a habbit
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04:54:48darkenvyI trial and error myself but when I get frustrated I come here :\
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07:56:47factorOn the USB port of a rockbox device and you build a female port so to plug in say a wireless or bluetooth device.
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08:04:59JdGordon|not sure where the question is, but no
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08:25:43funmanhttps://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=588607 Bug 588607 - Implement custom dlopen to load libraries from apk
08:26:00funmansomething that we could use ?
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08:30:47JdGordFunman: you asked last night about 3.7 with the current skin bugs... like I've said a few times, the ones still open sent major issues (I.e they don't crash) and unless someone helps out waiting is silly
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08:31:27factorWould have been cool to get usb access as a port not just as a device.
08:34:27funmanJdGord: makes sense, so do you want to start release process?
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08:35:13bug2000May I ask a question that is not directly related to Rockbox or is that considered offtopic?
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08:36:12bug2000Thank you for the answer.
08:39:29JdGordFunman: I *really* don't :) although its mostly up to someone to say "we freeze in x days" to get the ball rolling
08:39:42JdGordWhich I sort of suggested next week in the email
08:39:54funmani hoped you were this someone ;)
08:41:01JdGordWe should make the rsb do it! Give them a reason to be. :)
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08:41:18JdGordThe group... not the peoplee
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08:44:34funmanrsb = release starter beings
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09:14:34JdGordondamn you funman!
09:17:26JdGordonit would be really really really awesome if magically a touch cabbie sbs happened for android before 3.7.. we could almost think about making it more generally available then!
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09:17:59factor<funman>Sorry need some sleep . online again tomorrow
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09:19:20funmanJdGordon / factor : ?
09:20:08JdGordonsee the ml :p
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09:23:44namnuf☑ Convince JdGordon to start the release
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09:32:22AlexPJdGordon, funman: I'm happy to do the release stuff, it is just while there are poeple against it I don't want to just go
09:32:54AlexPoh, I see you already did :)
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10:30:39funmankugel: did you see my message about mozilla apk/library loading this morning?
10:31:24kugelnot yet
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10:34:56kugelfunman: ah, [sko] showed me that one yesterday
10:37:49kugelfunman: we don't have just libraries, also themes and langs and stuff in the zip
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11:04:38pSiKOhi funman, I have the hw version of my fuze : AMSv2 variant 0
11:04:48funmanpSiKO: cool, like me then
11:05:14pSiKO:) super
11:06:14pSiKOanother question: is it possible to read cbz/cbr under RB ??
11:08:58LloreanIt just does what the manual says it does, nothing more.
11:12:11pSiKOok
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11:50:05pixelmafwiw, my theme still crashes my Ondio, it seems to be a but different from last time where I could trace it back to the nested conditionals and had a simple test.wps showing the problem. This time I even get an address and it's a scrolling function (will look it up shortly), simpler WPSs don't exhibit the problem and I don't know where to start looking :\
11:53:10funmandoes gdb run on ondio?
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11:53:28pixelmano
11:53:37pixelmaAFAIK
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11:57:57pixelmaif I comment out the progressbar I get a different crash/hang :\/
11:58:17TheSevenwhat's the opinion on declaring nano2g stable for the upcoming release?
11:58:51funmanTheSeven: i guess the most valuable opinion is yours ;)
11:58:59TheSeveni don't think so
11:59:23TheSeveni haven't done much with it recently, haven't tried current builds for weeks, and haven't tried the rockbox bootloader for months
11:59:32funmanaren't you the most knowledgeable
11:59:42funman.. about nano2g installation procedure?
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12:00:33TheSeventhe installation procedure is fine (when using the rockbox bootloader), but it used to cause FTL problems on every unclean reboot, sometimes ending up with a wiped flash
12:01:01TheSevenbus some people claim this problem has magically gone away and they haven't seen a white screen of death for months
12:01:32TheSevenso if anyone *has* seen a white screen of death recently, i'd like that person to speak up
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12:09:50funmanAlexP: we could revert r28000 in the branch
12:10:12AlexPfunman: yes, that'd be an option
12:10:46AlexPfunman: btw, I'm not arguing with any of your points - it just seems a bad idea to put out a release where we know that for some people playback is broken :)
12:12:37funmani disagree with this, we don't have to achieve perfection for a release
12:12:54funmanand given that nobody is working on this particular point, i think we can ignore it
12:14:01funmanor use quick workaround for release if possible of course
12:14:15AlexPplayback is a fairly major componant of Rockbox
12:14:22AlexPIf ti were a plugin or something I'd agree
12:14:25pixelmaperfection no, but basic things should work
12:15:25funmanjust search flyspray for "playback" and you'll find other bugs which didn't prevent past releases
12:15:39AlexPplayback not working at all is pretty big
12:15:44funmanworks fine here
12:15:51AlexPIt isn't just a little bug with it, it doesn't play music
12:15:57AlexPyes, but not for everyone
12:16:03funmanmp3 works
12:16:11AlexPnot for one guy in the forums
12:16:12TheSevendo we have any numbers on how many devices are affected?
12:16:51AlexPTheSeven: No idea - not many I'd guess
12:17:01funmanfs#11608 lists 3 people
12:17:09pixelmathe crash on my Ondio happens in _lcd_scroll_stop_line (firmware/libfirmware.a(scroll_engine.o))
12:17:12funmanand only vorbis
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12:17:51funmanmy 2 fuzev1 work fine, for n1s too, and i guess kugel too
12:17:58AlexPfunman: yes, there were more in ther forum thread you locked including for flac and mp3
12:18:09funmanAlexP: what is the link again?
12:18:48AlexPhttp://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=25809.0
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12:20:42kugelfunman: I haven't used daps in ages :) I don't know if my fuze shows the problem
12:22:30kugeland I agree with AlexP, we should knowingly keep regressions if we know a fix/workaround
12:22:33kugelshould *not*
12:23:06funmankugel: please test then
12:23:26kugelbut it doesn't really matter if I have the problem or not
12:23:38funmanyes it does, if you do you can send me your fuze :)
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14:21:41teruJdGordon: are you here?
14:33:57pixelmahe's never around during his Saturdays, so probably not in the next 24 hours
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14:36:14teruhmm. thank you for the info.
14:41:06hondzaHello. Is there a gloabally accessible way to determine which screen the player is on? I would like to disable backlight_on() call in firmware/drivers/button.c for simple operations (volume up/down, skip track, pause) and I'd prefer that it would work this way in WPS only...
14:41:13pixelmateru: maybe a bit less, don't know but usually he reads logs so you could leave him a message/question
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14:52:37ThanatosMy rockbox based player is overheating
14:52:58S_a_i_n_tThanatos: What player?
14:53:09S_a_i_n_tMake/model
14:53:27Thanatossansa clip
14:53:28Thanatosv2
14:53:42ThanatosI am not sure what the damage is
14:54:12Thanatosbut just wanted to warn everyone not to put their clip into the outlet and set it to sleep
14:54:28ThanatosI did not expect such a violent reaction
14:54:50S_a_i_n_tIt should, in theory, be fine to do so.
14:54:58S_a_i_n_tI can;t imagine why it would not be.
14:55:01funmani remember seeing a report on the forum, what is your backlight setting?
14:55:08ThanatosI'll assess the damage once I return from school
14:55:16Thanatosit was at low
14:55:23ThanatosI turned it on, the battery was at zero
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14:55:31Thanatosit just turned off suddenly
14:55:40Thanatosthen I decided to check plug it in
14:55:44Thanatosnothing happened
14:55:50Thanatosthen I noticed it was very very very very hot
14:55:59Thanatosso I pulled it apart, and let the battery sit out
14:56:09Thanatosand then I decided to pull it from the leads
14:56:11S_a_i_n_tSounds like your battery is screwed.
14:56:15pixelmacould you try writing more of your thoughts on one line please, makes it easier to read
14:56:42Thanatossorry I only have only had one college english class :p
14:57:22ThanatosI think my battery is screwed too, oh well live and learn. Are there any logs that I might be able to send to you guys?
14:58:01S_a_i_n_tNothing we could use to determine anything...no.
14:58:01ThanatosIf I had to rockbox it all over again, I would do it in a heartbeat, I would rather have a great experience with a horrible ending such as this one, rather than a long lasting mediocre one.
14:58:28S_a_i_n_tA new battery won't cost you very much at all.
14:58:43ThanatosNo I might be able to use an iPod battery as well
14:58:48S_a_i_n_tAnd, failing that, Clips aren't exactly very expensive.
14:58:55Thanatosthats right SAINT!
14:59:03ThanatosI have a backup clip I'm loading with music right now
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15:01:29ThanatosI never expected this to happen to me
15:01:32Thanatosbut haha it did!
15:01:50S_a_i_n_tIt's a fact of life.
15:01:59S_a_i_n_tElectrical goods will fail eventually.
15:02:10ThanatosI never had such a violent end before though
15:02:22ThanatosThe plastic smells like the whole thing is damaged beyond repair
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15:02:40S_a_i_n_tI'd be quite surprised if your settings/configuration/use caused damage to the player...it was probably just a bad battery.
15:02:59S_a_i_n_tAnd, it came to the end of its uable life, allbeit prematurely
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15:03:21ThanatosSo you don't think if it was due to rockbox on it with those settings?
15:03:46ThanatosI wish I could determine it, but oh well I am just another stupid end user! ( ゚ ヮ゚)
15:04:42funmanThanatos: i have a clipv2 and it never overheated
15:04:45S_a_i_n_tI doubt it, there's a LOT of people using Rockboxed Clips...I'm sure if charging with a wall charger caused damage there would have been a lot more complaints.
15:04:49S_a_i_n_tHowecver, is it the correct charger for the device?
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15:04:57ThanatosNope
15:05:05ThanatosIt never caused a problem before though
15:05:21S_a_i_n_tWell, there's your problem I suspect.
15:05:33S_a_i_n_tIt is probably supplying too much power to the device.
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15:05:43ThanatosI should not trust www.dealextreme.com anymore
15:05:52ThanatosI used a basic USB charger
15:06:02Thanatosit seemed like it was a bad apple unit
15:06:11S_a_i_n_ts/is/was/
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15:06:42ThanatosOh well, time for school now, thanks for your help everyone! ( ゚ ヮ゚)
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15:07:04S_a_i_n_tIIUC Apple/Sansa chargers are NOT interchangable
15:07:22Thanatosby the way what is the battery life on the v1 like?
15:07:23S_a_i_n_tI've geard of others frying their Sansas doing that exact same thing.
15:07:24CIA-81New commit by 03teru (r28219): don't reload the skins if color isn't actually changed. ...
15:07:44ThanatosIt shows that the maximum is eight hours
15:08:11S_a_i_n_ts/geard/heard/
15:08:34ThanatosAt first I thought it was always the highest clocked but I think funman corrected me and told me it was just an estimation
15:09:09funmani don't know what is a Sansa charger
15:09:25CIA-81r28219 build result: All green
15:09:29funmanand clips should charge in 3 hours maximum
15:10:15S_a_i_n_tfunman: I believe he meant total runtime from a full charge.
15:10:53funmanclipv2 should run 24hours not 8
15:11:12Tornethe clips just charge from USB the same as anything else
15:11:33ThanatosI meant v1
15:11:49ThanatosHow long does it usually last?
15:11:55Torneand any old usb charger should do unless it's poor at regulating the voltage and drifts substantially above 5V
15:11:58funmanah, you say v2 but you mean v1 ..
15:12:36ThanatosYou missed the last thing I posted, I really should have everything on one line
15:12:37Thanatos<Thanatos> by the way what is the battery life on the v1 like?
15:13:18funmanoh ok, thought the overheating clip was a v1 - alright then
15:13:26pSiKOhi funman, have you had time to test my card on fuzev2 ?
15:13:34ThanatosYeah the v2 ovcerheated
15:13:39funmanpSiKO: no i don't have the fuze yet, perhaps sunday or next week
15:13:43ThanatosAnd I have a v1 to use, just wondering what the battery life is like
15:13:49ThanatosSince it always estimates it to be 8hours
15:13:58pSiKOok no prob :)
15:14:13funmanit is like 8 hours ..
15:14:29funmanon my clipv1 at least, since i'm the one who commits estimations for sansas
15:15:16Thanatos:(
15:15:40ThanatosI hope I can fix my v2 then
15:15:44ThanatosOr just get a clip+
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15:16:40Thanatostheres more active development on the clip+ right? I heard it gets 40+hrs
15:16:47webguest55is there a way to set a start time for a song?
15:17:18ThanatosWhy not just split the file?
15:17:46funmanThanatos: clip+ is almost identical to clipv2
15:18:49S_a_i_n_twebguest55: cuesheets should do what you want.
15:19:53pixelmaS_a_i_n_t: that would still mean skipping ahead manually, no?
15:20:37S_a_i_n_tAh, yes...Indeed it would.
15:20:43S_a_i_n_tHmmmmm :/
15:21:04pixelmamaybe a bookmark. But I'm not sure I understand what webguest55 wants correctly as I can read it two ways - starting at a specific time in a file, or starting playback at all at a certain time (of day) like an alarm clock
15:21:28ThanatosIf its playback it might be easier just to split the file
15:21:30webguest55ChanServ: sry afk for a little
15:21:35webguest55yea just playback
15:21:47webguest55and i use the database not the file browser for music playing
15:21:52webguest55so i can't make bookmarks
15:22:07ThanatosDo you have anything against splitting the file?
15:22:09S_a_i_n_tsplitting the file is like curing toothache with a hammer
15:22:12ThanatosThats what I would do
15:22:19webguest55hmm
15:22:23S_a_i_n_tthere's surely an easier way to do it than butchering your files.
15:22:26ThanatosI dunno, thats how I make my ringtones
15:22:30webguest55i mean i still want the 1st like 20 sec of my song
15:22:42webguest55in case i feel like listening to it some day
15:22:49S_a_i_n_tBookmark
15:23:03S_a_i_n_tSeems as though that would be your best bet.
15:23:17webguest55hmm
15:23:22webguest55mk
15:23:26webguest55i know that there's this feature in itunes
15:23:36webguest55but nothing similar in rockbox yet?
15:23:44S_a_i_n_tAdd a bookmark in the track at the time you want to start it, then maintain a list of recent bookmarks (it's a feature in rockbox)
15:23:51webguest55ChanServ:
15:23:55webguest55whoops sry
15:24:02S_a_i_n_twebguest55: Yes, rockbox has had bookmarks for a long time.
15:24:03webguest55mk
15:24:08webguest55thanks!
15:24:21S_a_i_n_twhat player do you have?
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15:24:33webguest55nano1g
15:24:46S_a_i_n_thttp://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-ipodnano1g/rockbox-build.html
15:24:59webguest55yea ive read that
15:25:12S_a_i_n_tthere 'ys go...checkout bookmarking in there.
15:25:20S_a_i_n_tthe manual is VERY comprehensive.
15:25:31webguest55ya. thank you
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15:46:15Luca_Shello everybody. I've been busy for a while. In this time I discovered that my FuzeV2 no longer connects via experimental USB. Current version + frequency switching + high quality audio settings. I will try to revert those patches and test again. I know for sure that without patches and with a couple weeks' ago svn it worked with approx. 50% chance.
15:46:58Luca_Sapart from that, frequency switching worked smoothly.
15:47:06Luca_Sgotta go now, see you soon
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16:22:15Luca_Show dumb, I forgot the error message. *PANIC* usb-drv: wrong architecture (0)
16:22:52funmanLuca_S: if you test cpufreq, please verify how it affects battery life. In my last tests it could damage battery life
16:22:58Luca_Sjust tested with a plain svn, while I couldn't make rb usb work with 3-4 attempts, it does not panic.
16:23:07Luca_Sfunman: I already posted some time ago some benches
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16:23:27Luca_Son my fuze, it helps with accelerated benches. not much, but it helps
16:23:29funmansaratoga is trying on clip+
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17:13:05saratogafunman: scaling added a little over half an hour for me, although someone on ABI reported larger gains
17:14:03funmanthat sounds good then
17:14:35saratogait doesn't crash for me, although someone on ABI got a crash loading themes
17:14:43saratoganot sure if thats related to boosting though
17:15:08saratogahowever using mp3 it'll basically never boost with the screen off
17:15:31funmanit'll boost but for a short time
17:15:46funmaniiuc boosting is synchronous, cpu_boost() has immediate effect
17:15:58saratogamp3 needs about 26MHz, and idle clock is 40mhz right?
17:16:34funmanit'll boost even if not necessary
17:17:15saratogawhen does that happen?
17:17:32funmanwe could compare mp3 with boosting, and mp3 with clock forced to minimum to see if there's something worth doing
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17:17:53funmancpu_boost() is only conditional on #HAVE_CPUFREQ (or whatever the define name is)
17:18:26saratogayeah but it only ever actually boosts if the pcm buffer gets low right?
17:18:47funmanhm i thought each codec has some cpu_boost() calls inline at critical steps
17:19:10saratogathe codecs themselves don't boost, just the buffering system if it starts to get behind
17:20:47funmanperhaps try running mp3 + an intensive plugin like matrix
17:21:19funmanyes i was mistaken, only plugins boost
17:23:24saratogai'll try doing a test bench using APE
17:23:30saratogashould get lots of boosting :)
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17:25:33funmanperhaps after 16 hours you will have decoded a full song ;)
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19:23:45Lloreanpixelma: Something like "Rockbox was not stable enough this release period to meet our release guidelines. This is relatively stable build with some known regressions we will provide support for in lieu of a current release version."
19:24:11Lloreanpixelma: I feel I can relatively confidently predict JdGordon's support for shortening the freeze period, though. He's never liked it.
19:24:51pixelmahmm, maybe (about the first)
19:25:06LloreanJdGordon's recommended shortening the freeze period in the past.
19:25:23LloreanHe *could* suddenly about face on the issue, but...
19:25:48S_a_i_n_theh...how often does that happen though?
19:26:08S_a_i_n_tmind made up == mind made up
19:26:11pixelmaLlorean: how would you handle Rockbox Utility integration though (which is one argument)?
19:26:57LloreanWhere does RButil currently get its current build number from? Does it necessarily need to be numeric?
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19:28:35LloreanI guess it just irritates me to see known bugs with one person's code, and that person's going on to continue adding features with a release coming up, rather than spending his time trying to clear them up.
19:28:54pixelmaalso, talking about JdGordon's opinion here while he's away isn't really nice and I don't think it's very important (one person more or less in the freeze/branch "discussion")
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19:29:25funmandid i miss the start of your discussion?
19:29:29Lloreanpixelma: What discussion. Unless someone tells them "stop until there are more opinions" they're going to announce a freeze on Monday.
19:29:53LloreanThey've already declared a consensus (of two people) is enough.
19:30:02pixelmaLlorean: yeah, I find that kind of sad too, though I realise that these bugs seem a bit random and may be hard to track down
19:30:25Lloreanpixelma: Yeah, but time spent working on other features is time spent not at least *trying* to track them down.
19:30:41LloreanI could understand if the bug wasn't reproducible or something, but aren't the theme bugs more or less consistent?
19:30:47pixelmawell, then other people should speak up, I just got the mail with the shortening proposal
19:30:56linuxstbLlorean: Are you saying you think Rockbox is too buggy at the moment to release?
19:31:04*funman wonders how much time Llorean spent (trying to) to track these bugs down
19:32:04pixelmaLlorean: for me they are most of the times, though it seems to depend on the actual theme used and it sometimes doesn't occur
19:32:13Lloreanlinuxstb: I'm saying I don't see why we should bother with releases, if the goal has stopped being "try to make sure Rockbox is stable and working for release time." When people aren't working on fixing the bugs they introduce, and at the same time want to shorten the freeze period so that they can keep working on features, it basically indicates they're no longer interested in a release at all.
19:32:55pixelmafunman: he didn't commit the code in question though. I spent some time tracking them down as far as a non-coder can do
19:33:20funmanpixelma: thanks
19:33:38pixelmaand one even lead to a fix (not a 100% working for me though it seems) but it got better
19:33:40Lloreanfunman: Whether or not I'm trying to track them down doesn't change the fact that the person who introduced them is actively working on other stuff rather than trying to repair issues he knows he introduced. I don't know that he's given up on it, but he definitely doesn't seem particularly interested in getting themes back to where they were before he started mucking with it.
19:34:12funmanLlorean: telling other people what they must do is guaranteed to never work
19:34:40Lloreanfunman: But you can tell them what they must not do, such as "stop introducing new features to themeing before the previous features you've introduced don't break old features"
19:34:42funmansure maybe he added the bug in the first place but that doesnt' mean we have to pester him until it's fixed
19:35:10LloreanIt doesn't benefit anyone if people just run on with feature after feature, and don't ever clean up the mess they leave behind.
19:35:25LloreanAt least you get less half baked features if you tell them "stop until it's working"
19:35:43funmancurrent trunk works perfectly for me
19:35:48LloreanGood for you.
19:35:54funmanalthough i'm perhaps cheating since i use it on a player without screen ^^
19:35:58LloreanHave you tried the thing/s known to be broken though?
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19:36:53pixelmamy main gripe with how it went was that adding more and more features to the newly introduced theme engine before letting it settle for a while and see if anything creeps up is that it makes it harder to track down the problem (was it introduced during the main part or at a later time?)
19:38:20LloreanI just feel like there's a bit of feeling of "it doesn't matter if I introduce bugs, since somebody else can fix them and I can go on to do other stuff"
19:39:00LloreanI also don't see what benefit comes from shortening the release freeze period, at all.
19:39:27pixelmame neither but that should be probably taken to the ml
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19:52:43pixelmaI find the early USB crash important too especially as I now have to turn on the Ondio before connecting to USB if I want to avoid the crash and which is extremely weird if I want to use the Ondio as USB reader as the bridge doesn't handle both "drives". Unfortunately no-one told me yet where the bug can be seen on other targets too, just that early USB exists elsewhere too
19:52:57linuxstbLlorean: I would agree that the freeze period should be short. But I also agree with you that buggy code shouldn't be committed in the first place - i.e. it is the responsibility of the committer to test their own code and it shouldn't be committed until it's tested thoroughly.
19:53:15pixelmait has been present on earlier releases too probably
19:53:18Lloreanlinuxstb: I'd say 1 week is a pretty short period.
19:53:45Lloreanlinuxstb: The proposal is to remove the freeze period entirely, so that there's only a branch. Effectively, there is no freeze since you never need to commit to the branch tree and can just keep working.
19:56:16linuxstbLlorean: I guess I'm talking hypothetically - _if_ SVN was kept in a generally stable stage, then the freeeze period could be short.
19:56:22LloreanYeah
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19:56:43LloreanIf people treated SVN like a release could happen at any time, the freeze could more or less be nonexistent.
19:57:05LloreanBut there seems to be a real push right now of "make it shiny at any cost"
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21:20:14user890104is it possible to charge the battery of ipod nano 2g via usb while using rockbox (without entering usb mode)?
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21:21:05gevaertsuser890104: see http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-ipodnano2g/rockbox-buildch3.html#x5-380003.3
21:21:34user890104thanks gevaerts!
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23:34:14bastii got a little problem with my h340 which is allready running with rockbox. i cant remember what happened, but while playing something it jumped into some debug mode and drained the battery. (at least it says its at 0% although it can run anyway). but ever since that, the navigation keys dont really work anymore. i cant use the down or up key. and when i want to load the original iriver firmware, it tries to start it, but nothing happens. i
23:34:15basti did reinstall both the bootloder and rockboc, but it didnt work. is it broken, or do i have some hope?
23:37:22gevaertsWhat do you mean by "some debug mode"? A panic screen?
23:38:17bastiidont know what a panic screen looks like. it said something like "debugging now" and something came up the screen
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23:42:21gevaertsThis happened by itself?
23:43:22bastii really cant remember that i did something out the normal stuff
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23:44:17gevaertsI'd guess you got a panic, although then I don't understand this
23:44:24gevaerts"debugging now" bit
23:44:51bastifuck me. i just started the damn thing and it works again.... i booted it like 20 times and the keys didnt work. now all of the sudden it has chosen to work again....
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23:45:11gevaertsMaybe it didn't really have enough charge before?
23:45:28bastii havent it charged in that time
23:46:18bastiand the battery indicator is at 70% now as it has been before the "blackout"
23:46:34bastiand i ordered an ipod tody...
23:47:55gevaertsI don't know then. Maybe a coincidence? Some dirt in the buttons that now went away?
23:49:41bastiafter that i disassembled it and cleaned every part with pressure air. dont know what went wrong. but the iriver firmware should have loaded
23:50:01bastiwhich it does know
23:51:51gevaertsActually, if some buttons have bad contacts, they might report presses all the time, which might interfere with booting
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23:55:07bastibut if they report contact all the time, and i boot rockbox than shouldnt they navigate all the time, or do somthing else? that was not the case. they just did not work, respectively did the wrong thing
23:56:00gevaertsThat depends. If more than one button is stuck, probably nothing at all will work
23:56:22gevaertsOther things may happen too, depending on how buttons are connected
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23:58:05bastiok. i guess i have to live with that mystery and the fact that i bought an ipod
23:58:32gevaertsIf it works now, I wouldn't worry about it

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