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| 01:59:42 | pixelma | before I forget (and it was suggested a while ago by gevaerts) - to find out more about the crash with my theme on the Ondio he told me to increase the main stack (and where), this indeed makes the crash go away although stack usage with the SVN build didn't seem to be too high according to "View OS stacks" - around 50%. The crash also became a hang again, not giving me an address) after updating to r28220 (can't remember exactly but before it was |
| 01:59:42 | pixelma | one of yesterdays revisions and it was crashing in the scroll engine as mentioned earlier for some time now) |
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| 06:48:19 | CHimp | hey everyone |
| 06:49:00 | CHimp | I just bought a sansa Fuze and don't want to brick it, so i have a quick question |
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| 06:52:08 | CHimp | bmbl: hey |
| 06:52:25 | bmbl | mornin' |
| 06:52:33 | CHimp | i have a quick question |
| 06:53:00 | bmbl | Just ask and see if someone answers it |
| 06:54:04 | CHimp | well, i have a sansa fuze but it wont really matter if anyone doesn't have it, but im about to rockbox it, now the firmware on my sansa is 1.02.26, |
| 06:54:36 | CHimp | the rockbox utility requires you to download the firmware from the sansa forums |
| 06:54:43 | bmbl | exactly |
| 06:55:38 | CHimp | and use that for some reason, well in the forums there firmware is 1.02.31, and rockbox wants me to download it, browse that firmware on my computer and use it |
| 06:55:49 | CHimp | well thats 1.02.31 and my firmware on my sansa is 1.02.26 |
| 06:56:05 | CHimp | now will this brick it? since 2 different firmwares? |
| 06:56:55 | bmbl | I doubt it but I installed the latest firmware first on my e280 |
| 06:57:06 | CHimp | and it worked right? |
| 06:57:41 | CHimp | well i might as well update my firmware on my sansa first then use the bin file and browse on my comp just to be safe, thanks. |
| 06:57:47 | bmbl | what rockbox does is that it takes the firmware (1.02.31) opens it and inserts the bootloader into it then when you copy it to your device it'll install the firmware as any other upgrade |
| 06:58:05 | CHimp | oooh |
| 06:58:38 | bmbl | It is needed as most devices only accept files that are signed as "official" |
| 06:58:51 | CHimp | so it'll update my firmware 1.02.26 to 1.0...31 and also install the rockbox boot loader |
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| 07:00:36 | CHimp | sounds good, but ill update my sansa first like you did, thankyou bmbl |
| 07:01:01 | bmbl | That's what I did just to be on the safe side yes |
| 07:01:36 | CHimp | there should be like a donate button next to peoples users, so helpful ^^ |
| 07:01:46 | CHimp | thanks |
| 07:01:56 | bmbl | there is one on the rockbox page ;) |
| 07:02:18 | CHimp | hehe sounds good, whenever i get the chance and money on paypal :P |
| 07:02:50 | CHimp | oh oh oh bmbl |
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| 07:04:10 | CHimp | bmbl: one last question, cause i sort of searched up on things, but it is really unclear to me, the playlist,( only reason why i hacking it) can you add tracks to already premade playlist on rockbox |
| 07:04:42 | bmbl | Yes |
| 07:04:46 | CHimp | yesssssssssssssssssssss |
| 07:06:11 | CHimp | i dont wanna add songs to my epic 4g, i dont trust google and all those apps that require gps and other monitoring bss... |
| 07:07:12 | CHimp | and the fuze is thin, fits in wallet so it was like major plus but anywayz yeah |
| 07:11:03 | CHimp | whew im smart, i looked up if rockbox supports sansa fuze 1.02.31 , a forum saying playback problems above 1.02.XX man... saved me |
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| 07:13:18 | CHimp | wait im confused.... |
| 07:14:05 | S_a_i_n_t | Well, the best thing to do is to write clear, concise questions...as opposed to vague statements. ;) |
| 07:14:20 | CHimp | bmbl: r288.... build is rockbox short name of versions? |
| 07:14:52 | CHimp | im reading a forum im not sure if they're talking about the firmware or the rockbox "build" but its build r288.... |
| 07:14:54 | S_a_i_n_t | r2XXXX is the SVN revision of Rockbox |
| 07:15:01 | CHimp | ah ic |
| 07:15:04 | CHimp | ok thank you |
| 07:15:08 | S_a_i_n_t | Nothing to do with the Original Firmware for your device |
| 07:16:11 | CHimp | ok thanks, sort of new to this and i just dont want to update my sansa v1 to a newer firmware if it causes stability issues |
| 07:16:53 | S_a_i_n_t | Basically, you should always run the latest firmware for your device, and the latest version of Rockbox. |
| 07:17:11 | S_a_i_n_t | It is intended to be as stable as possible, nothing gets broken *deliberately* ;) |
| 07:17:47 | CHimp | ok saint thanks, ill update my sansa v1 then |
| 07:18:54 | CHimp | lol saint im actaully reading one of the logs and somebody asked you if sansa OF 1.02.31 works for fuze |
| 07:19:18 | CHimp | and you don't own one ic :P |
| 07:19:41 | S_a_i_n_t | Me personally? Must have been a while ago, and no...I don't. |
| 07:19:50 | * | S_a_i_n_t doesn't remember this. |
| 07:20:04 | CHimp | haha oh |
| 07:21:09 | CHimp | it was awhile back |
| 07:21:16 | CHimp | jan 30th 2010 |
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| 07:31:03 | CHimp | S_a_i_n_t: hey i have a quick question for you |
| 07:31:30 | S_a_i_n_t | Shoot, but, generally speaking...you should ask the channel, as opposed to a specific user. |
| 07:31:44 | CHimp | mmm ok, sorry |
| 07:32:02 | S_a_i_n_t | there's 123 other people here other than myself ;) (and including you) |
| 07:32:15 | S_a_i_n_t | But, I'll try my best. |
| 07:32:56 | CHimp | when installing rockbox, can it make your mp3 player support higher expandable SD memory? like when i did buy a sansa v2 it keep having errors reading 16gb |
| 07:33:32 | CHimp | or it that the hardware inside its selft? |
| 07:33:38 | CHimp | self* |
| 07:33:55 | S_a_i_n_t | From what I know of SD cards the limit for the readable size is an artificial one, and Rockbox is not bound by the same constraints. |
| 07:34:25 | S_a_i_n_t | So, if you get a very large capacity SD card it will almost certainly work in Rockbox, but, probably not in the Original Firmware |
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| 07:35:09 | CHimp | lol yeah second way was less confusing, artificial one got me, but then not bound by same contraints i kinda figured so yeah it does work |
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| 07:36:47 | CHimp | ahh so many themes, i dont know what to choose |
| 07:37:02 | S_a_i_n_t | I don't own any Sansas myself, but I do know that a lot fo people use Rockbox on their SD capable Sansas for the fact that it allows them to use a greater capacity card then the Original Firmware will allow them. |
| 07:37:23 | S_a_i_n_t | s/then/than/ |
| 07:37:30 | CHimp | nice |
| 07:37:42 | CHimp | can changes themes on the player also or no? |
| 07:37:51 | S_a_i_n_t | Sure. |
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| 07:38:22 | CHimp | as you see its my first time installing rockbox , i just dont wanna choose a whatever theme then cant change it |
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| 07:39:15 | S_a_i_n_t | Have you tried reading the manual for your device? |
| 07:39:27 | S_a_i_n_t | http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-sansafuzev2/rockbox-build.html |
| 07:39:40 | CHimp | i read the installation guide, lol maybe i should read manual now ^^ |
| 07:40:01 | S_a_i_n_t | Oh, ooops...that's the V2 manual. |
| 07:40:08 | S_a_i_n_t | http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-sansafuzev2/rockbox-build.html |
| 07:40:18 | S_a_i_n_t | That's the V1 manual there. ^ |
| 07:40:33 | CHimp | lol thank you, ^^ |
| 07:41:36 | CHimp | yep cause you can change it on the player |
| 07:41:44 | CHimp | guess you can*** |
| 07:41:48 | CHimp | long day at work.... |
| 07:42:00 | S_a_i_n_t | [18:37] <CHimp> can changes themes on the player also or no? |
| 07:42:00 | S_a_i_n_t | [18:37] <S_a_i_n_t> Sure. |
| 07:42:09 | S_a_i_n_t | I *did* answer you, lol ;) |
| 07:42:47 | CHimp | lol yeah well, maybe it was such a noob question, i was assuming ur like sure i guess....(find out yourself) |
| 07:43:01 | CHimp | :P |
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| 07:47:09 | CHimp | hmm ic that you can do usb mode in rockbox, you need to boot your OF |
| 07:47:39 | CHimp | oh man this is sooooo cool |
| 07:47:45 | S_a_i_n_t | If you use the current release build, then, yes. |
| 07:47:46 | CHimp | dual bott |
| 07:47:58 | CHimp | yep |
| 07:48:02 | S_a_i_n_t | But if you use the current SVN revision I believe that USB is supported. |
| 07:48:43 | CHimp | oh well ill look into svn revision and how to make that work later.. i dont mind dual booting atm as i dont wanna ruin it on the first day |
| 07:48:48 | S_a_i_n_t | and it *should* be included in the 3.7 release, but...I'm stretching there as I haven't really followed the Sansa development well. |
| 07:48:56 | CHimp | oh ok |
| 07:49:12 | CHimp | i think the lastest build is 3.6 but maybe theres 3.7 |
| 07:50:10 | S_a_i_n_t | 3.6 is the current release build, yes. |
| 07:50:25 | S_a_i_n_t | 3.7 is due to be released in approximately 2 weeks or so. |
| 07:50:47 | CHimp | oh im sorry i mis-read your sentence, you said should be included in 3.7 release... yeah long day at work |
| 07:50:54 | CHimp | your very nice thank you |
| 07:51:16 | CHimp | i going to donate to rockbox too |
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| 08:09:15 | spike_ | sansas are great |
| 08:11:22 | CHimp | sansa fuze is nice |
| 08:11:29 | CHimp | very thin to fit in wallet |
| 08:11:32 | CHimp | big plus |
| 08:12:00 | S_a_i_n_t | iPod Nano is thinner...Nano FTW! ;D |
| 08:12:21 | CHimp | and way more expensive :P |
| 08:12:24 | * | S_a_i_n_t is a Nano-Man, through and through. |
| 08:12:38 | CHimp | im guesing you rockboxed it |
| 08:12:46 | S_a_i_n_t | Indeed. |
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| 08:13:20 | S_a_i_n_t | The Nano 1st Gens are getting a bit rare these days, but you can pick up a Nano 2nd Gen for relatively cheap. |
| 08:13:27 | CHimp | can the nano fit in your wallet or too long? |
| 08:13:51 | S_a_i_n_t | The Nano 2nd Gen is also one of the more powerful targets still available. |
| 08:14:05 | CHimp | oh ic |
| 08:14:06 | S_a_i_n_t | And yeah, it's small enough to fit in a wallet...just. |
| 08:14:12 | CHimp | lol just? |
| 08:14:15 | spike_ | the small ipods i've seen lately strike me as "too small" like smaller than i'd even want to manipulate with my hands |
| 08:14:24 | CHimp | yeah |
| 08:14:31 | CHimp | the new shuffle touch screen |
| 08:14:35 | CHimp | you'd lose that thing |
| 08:14:38 | spike_ | yea the square thing? |
| 08:14:39 | S_a_i_n_t | the *new* Nano, the touchscreen one...is a sin. |
| 08:14:43 | S_a_i_n_t | It's terrible. |
| 08:14:47 | spike_ | its like the size of a quarter |
| 08:14:48 | spike_ | lol |
| 08:15:02 | S_a_i_n_t | The 1st 2nd and 4th Gen Nanos are awesome, however. |
| 08:15:02 | CHimp | haha |
| 08:15:29 | CHimp | i think the new touch screen is the newer shuffle and not a nano? |
| 08:15:39 | CHimp | but im not a apple person so i may be wrong |
| 08:16:51 | S_a_i_n_t | The Nano has a touchscreen now...buggered if I know about the Shuffle though. |
| 08:17:04 | CHimp | oh ok |
| 08:17:26 | S_a_i_n_t | The Nano also lost the camera and FM too :/ but this is getting wildly off-topic ;) |
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| 08:18:26 | CHimp | oh wow sucks |
| 08:18:39 | CHimp | lol didnt know nanos had cameras |
| 08:18:47 | CHimp | what MP? |
| 08:19:30 | S_a_i_n_t | the Nano 5th Gen got a camera and built in FM, but they took it out of the Nano 6th Gen basically saying "If you want a camera and FM, get an iPod Touch" |
| 08:19:33 | S_a_i_n_t | ...bastards. |
| 08:19:53 | S_a_i_n_t | IIRC, it is 2MP |
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| 08:20:18 | CHimp | oh |
| 08:20:36 | CHimp | well if you got a nice enough phone, i'd probably use my phone |
| 08:20:44 | CHimp | for camera |
| 08:21:11 | spike_ | ugh, just another instance of apple taking away functionality to encourage people to buy more apple products |
| 08:21:21 | CHimp | haha |
| 08:22:15 | CHimp | the only reason why ihate apple cuz i bricked this kids itouch i babysat and owe'd him my laptop till i fixed it |
| 08:22:49 | CHimp | reason cuz i connected it too a diff comp and i didnt kno nothing about apple |
| 08:22:55 | S_a_i_n_t | That's an odd reason to hate Apple, I'd take my frustration out on the child instead ;) |
| 08:23:10 | S_a_i_n_t | Aaaaaaanyway, this is sliding into off-topic land. |
| 08:23:18 | CHimp | haha yea |
| 08:23:31 | spike_ | #rockbox-community |
| 08:28:46 | CHimp | dam......... |
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| 08:34:18 | CHimp | curse the 8 gig, curse these problems |
| 08:34:45 | CHimp | nvm all good |
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| 08:51:43 | CHimp | thanks people |
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| 11:10:51 | * | JdGordon serisouly thinks most people winging last night have their priorities totally messed up... Llorean especially |
| 11:12:17 | funman | i feel like it is ok to order active people to work on bugfixes you like, instead fixing them yourself |
| 11:13:00 | funman | "this bug annoy me, fix it" "no it's been ages since i wrote a patch but i can tell other people what to do with their time" |
| 11:14:31 | JdGordon | pretty much, and also the fact that there are 282 open bugs, of which a good chunk are playback issues.... |
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| 11:18:25 | JdGordon | hi teru |
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| 11:18:49 | teru | hi |
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| 11:20:25 | JdGordon | your scrollbar commit, did it fix the slider going past the end? |
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| 11:21:39 | teru | no. as i wrote in the forum, i prefers current behaviour. |
| 11:22:28 | JdGordon | na, thats defintly a bug :) althugh I was looking at the code yesterday and the math looks correct |
| 11:23:06 | JdGordon | I saw the forum reply and I'll reply a bit later |
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| 11:24:56 | teru | if you put an image at pb->width, the image will not be in the scrollber frame. |
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| 11:27:29 | JdGordon | where is that happening? (I havnt svn uped yet though) |
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| 11:29:53 | teru | calulation is something like this: x = pb->x + pb->width * end / length; and the end varies form 0 to length |
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| 11:33:42 | teru | my only concern about slider is, i want it to be consistent with cue sheet marker/a-b repeat marker. |
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| 11:37:13 | JdGordon | the only slider which can go past the end is volume which doesnt have the markers :) |
| 11:37:18 | JdGordon | but it shouldnt go off the end |
| 11:39:00 | teru | this does happen with progressbar. |
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| 11:42:25 | ranma | funman: I tried v28220 on my fuzev1 and I also can't reproduce the problems from http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11608 FWIW |
| 11:42:43 | funman | ranma: please add that on the task |
| 11:43:01 | funman | i think with the positive feedback i had here and on the ML i will stop working on this |
| 11:43:41 | funman | since i all got for working is being treated like an asshole i prefer doing like those people: nothing |
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| 11:48:23 | pixelma | I wonder if it is theme related as I read in the forums that for some there is a difference when using different themes and the crashes are - at start of playback, switching to the WPS and a bit inconsistent which I can abserve on my Ondio too (same "spot" and inconsistency, which theme/WPS is important). Just throwing it out here as an idea |
| 11:49:49 | pixelma | it might explain why most devs don't experience it |
| 11:49:56 | JdGordon | pixelma: unless you can get a reliable crash repo in the sim, or gdb working with the ondio it will continue to be very hard t track down |
| 11:50:35 | JdGordon | I agree with bertrik (I think) that it is probably a seperate issue and the theme just happens to trigger it but the cause is elsehere |
| 11:50:51 | pixelma | it doesn't crash in the sim, and gdb won't work on the Ondio as far as I know (I might confuse it with something else) |
| 11:51:11 | funman | TheSeven's ibugger might be the easiest way to add gdb to rockbox targets |
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| 11:53:12 | JdGordon | teru: how does your theme crash? just loading it? |
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| 11:53:20 | pixelma | JdGordon: if you didn't read it but the crash went away when increasing the main stack ATM, although stack usage displayed in the debug screen didn't seem too high even with SVN value (about 50% which is btw. a nice decrease compared to the last time I remember looking before the %if rework) |
| 11:53:52 | JdGordon | ah right, so the real fix is very VERY messy |
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| 11:54:12 | JdGordon | the main skin functions need to be turned into loops instead of recursive calls |
| 11:54:49 | JdGordon | although it shuold be obvious that its a stack overflow if that were the case |
| 11:54:58 | JdGordon | doesnt the ondio panic? |
| 11:55:32 | pixelma | I wonder though why I got a crash address for a while (in the scroll engine) for some builds in the mean time, now it went back to just hanging |
| 11:55:50 | pixelma | unfortunately it doesn't |
| 11:56:08 | n1s | JdGordon: the stkov panic only triggers on task switches so if you manage to overwrite some code that is going to be executed before the thread sleeps/yields the panic will never trigger |
| 11:56:43 | JdGordon | yeah, true... but.. well... ummm :p |
| 11:57:23 | pixelma | I got some stkovs (main) on my M5 when doing something during playback, stack usage is very high though (about 90% IIRC) |
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| 11:59:41 | JdGordon | amiconn: you like crazy optimisation.. :) how would you like to loopup skin_render_line() ? :D |
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| 12:00:46 | funman | did someone ever run static analysis on rockbox code? i tried some software but it had problems with rockbox headers |
| 12:01:07 | teru | on ubuntu, it clears out side of ui vieweport to white which is background color of my theme. and then begins to print lots of "SDL_WaitEvent()" to terminal until i press Ctrl+C. |
| 12:01:15 | funman | i tried sparse |
| 12:01:21 | n1s | funman: gevaerts ran the clang static analyzer thing a short while ago |
| 12:01:42 | funman | don't know if it's able to emulate stack usage though |
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| 12:05:17 | JdGordon | pixelma: simple solution... up the main stack size untill it stops crashing |
| 12:06:19 | S_a_i_n_t | s/solution/kludgey-workaround/ ;P |
| 12:06:51 | S_a_i_n_t | upping stacks to make something work is something *I'd* do, so I know it must be a kludge! |
| 12:07:00 | JdGordon | hehe, well true |
| 12:07:43 | JdGordon | how do I check stack usage of a function? is it just rouplhy the function size? |
| 12:12:02 | Bagder | objdump it and check the first instructions of the function |
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| 12:12:21 | amiconn | JdGordon: Optimising stuff that isn't even stable in unoptimised form? Certainly not |
| 12:12:57 | JdGordon | @#$%@#$ |
| 12:13:00 | funman | translation: JdGordon: fuck you |
| 12:14:18 | JdGordon | why are only 2 functions from skin_render.c in the .map file? |
| 12:14:26 | Bagder | inlined? |
| 12:14:27 | JdGordon | gcc didnt optimise them all away did it? |
| 12:14:42 | funman | check the disassembly |
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| 12:14:58 | JdGordon | they are static but I cant imagine they would be inlined.. |
| 12:15:18 | funman | i dont know how gcc inline but static functions used only once should always be inlined |
| 12:16:47 | amiconn | Static functions are not listed in the .map afaik, even if not inlined |
| 12:16:59 | amiconn | The .map only lists exported symbols |
| 12:17:26 | JdGordon | with a bunch of .word's 7d0 -> f10 ... so not exactly a small function |
| 12:17:43 | JdGordon | and 0f24->1060 |
| 12:18:01 | JdGordon | these call eachother a bit recursily, although it should only do that max twice (I think) |
| 12:18:27 | JdGordon | and fyi, this function works 100% |
| 12:18:55 | amiconn | Maybe, but all this skinning stuff made rockbox less stable than ever |
| 12:19:46 | funman | use old releases then? |
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| 12:20:10 | funman | <user> when will you add ipod classic support |
| 12:20:15 | funman | <developer> when will you fix skinning |
| 12:20:17 | funman | same same |
| 12:20:35 | TheSeven | funman: re ibugger: i don't think so |
| 12:20:46 | TheSeven | maybe a similar mechanism, but not that specific crappy code |
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| 12:21:12 | funman | TheSeven: i think once the USB driver is written the rest is not too hard (just needs an interrupt mechanism) |
| 12:21:16 | amiconn | Well, my favourite solution would be to throw out most of the skinning stuff... |
| 12:21:32 | * | S_a_i_n_t can only say this: "Sure, there have been hiccups but in the time I have been using it RB has only gotten more stable, and more functional...not less" |
| 12:21:48 | TheSeven | funman: as you might know, i have recently been working on the embios kernel, which i'm using for various ipod tools |
| 12:21:59 | amiconn | There are reproducible crashes, display glitches up to the point that it becomes unusable etc |
| 12:22:07 | funman | TheSeven: yes i've seen this |
| 12:22:13 | S_a_i_n_t | where? |
| 12:22:17 | TheSeven | that one has an in-kernel USB monitor, allowing you to access and manipulate things in the running system |
| 12:22:28 | S_a_i_n_t | I personally haen't seen them myself...what targets? |
| 12:22:35 | S_a_i_n_t | *haven't |
| 12:22:50 | TheSeven | this might be the way to go, and i'm already planning to write a gdb stub on top of that protocol one day |
| 12:22:56 | funman | amiconn: well keep saying this every day and every day, eventually it might fix the bug. complaining works every time |
| 12:23:24 | S_a_i_n_t | I know of one reproducible crash I have on a now month old build, which has nothing to do with skinning whatsoever...but that's it...personally. |
| 12:23:28 | amiconn | Well *I* didn't write that buggy code, nor do I understand it well |
| 12:24:03 | funman | yes that's why i advise complaining |
| 12:24:17 | funman | what else could you do: read the code? not complain? |
| 12:24:19 | amiconn | And the bugs are reported on flyspray |
| 12:24:38 | pixelma | funman: it's a bit weird to be told to (a) take it to the tracker and (b) if you do, you'll be told that no-one seems to nag here... |
| 12:25:04 | funman | flyspray is too quiet that's true |
| 12:25:36 | S_a_i_n_t | The thought that the author is solely responsible for fixing introduced bugs is more than a little silly, sure...effort should be taken to debug the code, definitely. But I'm sure it isn't simply a case of "I don;t *ewant* to fix bug X or bug Y" |
| 12:25:42 | pixelma | S_a_i_n_t: seems the more important ones happen mostly greyscale and monochrome targets |
| 12:25:48 | amiconn | (thanks to pixelma - partially because of being less lazy than myself, partially because of being affected by them as well) |
| 12:25:48 | S_a_i_n_t | -many spelling mistakes |
| 12:26:07 | funman | Bagder and zagor started rockbox, i'm not complaining to them because rockbox doesn't work well |
| 12:26:11 | S_a_i_n_t | pixelma: Ah, that explains why I haven't been seeing them then...thanks. |
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| 12:27:18 | funman | once you've reported the bugs, asked JdGordon how you could help, read the code; then just sit and wait but especially don't be an asshole with him, it's the best way to make him uninterested in fixing this bug |
| 12:27:48 | S_a_i_n_t | that's the more direct version of what I tried to say above ;) |
| 12:27:52 | pixelma | I don't see where amiconn was an asshole to JdGordon |
| 12:27:57 | amiconn | Certainly the author isn't solely responsible, but no developer knows all parts of rockbox' code equally well |
| 12:28:07 | JdGordon | please..... |
| 12:28:19 | JdGordon | umm... I mean, do we have to do this again? |
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| 12:29:25 | funman | rockbox has no commercial potential for developers but in other projects you'd be told to send him a check with your requests |
| 12:30:04 | S_a_i_n_t | s/check/cheque/? |
| 12:30:39 | funman | s/a check/money/ |
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| 12:55:28 | funman | rasher: thanks for replying on the list |
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| 12:55:50 | funman | (idiot) |
| 12:56:05 | pixelma | funman: you? |
| 12:56:11 | funman | no |
| 12:56:19 | pixelma | it's really not necessary to call people names |
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| 12:58:54 | * | gevaerts thinks that people who feel insulted if someone *mentions* the RSB should be the last to complain about other people |
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| 13:07:14 | Buschel | has anybody seen liar in the past few days? |
| 13:07:32 | Buschel | has anybody seen liar in the past few days/weeks? |
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| 13:08:04 | * | Buschel wonders how he could oversee that he already posted his question... |
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| 13:11:59 | JdGordon | Buschel: lear you mean? :) |
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| 13:12:58 | bertrik | you can ask logbot: /msg logbot seen <nick> |
| 13:13:17 | pixelma | I believe he meant liar, he'd done some Nano 2g patches and Buschel aquired such a thing recently |
| 13:14:26 | rasher | funman: I do not appreciate being called an idiot because you were insulted by what I (still) perceive as a perfectly innocent post to the mailing list. Furthermore, I find it rich that you're blaming me for replying on-list, when it was you who broke etiquette to snark at me off-list. If you have an actual complaint about the mail, I'd appreciate it if you addressed that instead. On-list. Thank you. |
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| 13:22:56 | CIA-81 | New commit by kugel (r28221): Fix several inaccuracies in list handling on touchscreen. |
| 13:25:04 | CIA-81 | r28221 build result: All green |
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| 13:36:09 | S_a_i_n_t | Buschel: Are you thinking about the Nano2G LCD Sleep code? |
| 13:36:19 | S_a_i_n_t | I've been trying to track liar down also... |
| 13:36:41 | S_a_i_n_t | It's awesome, but the glitch when it initiates is really visible/crap. |
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| 13:44:03 | S_a_i_n_t | Buschel: If that is indeed what you're looking at, if you come up with anything I'd be happy to test it...I have both type 2 and 7 Nano2G LCDs here to test on. |
| 13:44:30 | S_a_i_n_t | I've looked at liars code (allbeit briefly) at it's a little over my head. |
| 13:45:00 | S_a_i_n_t | (well, I understand it, but I have no idea how it could be simplified) |
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| 13:52:09 | giovanni_ | kugel: latest revision fixed the touchscreen issue on my onda we spoken lat time :) thanks |
| 13:52:27 | kugel | giovanni_: I suspected that :) I wanted to ping you for testing but you wasn't here |
| 13:52:43 | kugel | but I remembered you're using an sbs which made it worse |
| 13:53:30 | giovanni_ | I have a couple of bugs to speak about.. |
| 13:54:21 | giovanni_ | one is playlist relatet: very often selecting a new song from database made the device freeze |
| 13:54:48 | giovanni_ | I can't understand why and when it happen, it seems randomly |
| 13:55:46 | giovanni_ | and another bug is for my theme, if i load the sbs wps and fms screens individually, they load the right way, but loading the whole theme made the device freeze |
| 13:55:46 | pixelma | selecting a song to be added to the current playlist or just "click" on another one? |
| 13:55:59 | giovanni_ | just clck on another one |
| 13:57:08 | giovanni_ | sometimes the yes no screen to prevent the current playlist to be stopped, changed, is draft wrongly under the current playlist, and it makes the device freeze |
| 13:58:02 | giovanni_ | not draft but drawn |
| 13:58:24 | gevaerts | JdGordon: actually, is FS #7006 likely to still be there? |
| 13:58:46 | JdGordon | is that dynamic tags scrlling? |
| 13:59:14 | gevaerts | yes |
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| 14:00:12 | JdGordon | yes, and I dont really consider that a theme bug anyway. the issue is you cant change scrolling lines text without it restarting |
| 14:00:22 | JdGordon | if you could then there would be no issue |
| 14:01:47 | gevaerts | right |
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| 14:04:20 | JdGordon | kugel: have you put up new apk's yet? |
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| 14:05:52 | JdGordon | anyone bored enough to do some artwork for cabbie? |
| 14:05:56 | Buschel | back again |
| 14:06:06 | Buschel | JdGordon: no, I really meant "liar" |
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| 14:06:22 | teru | JdGordon: calculation of pb->height seems wrong to me when vertical option is set. it subtract pb->x from height of viewport: pb->height = vp->height - pb->x; |
| 14:06:26 | Buschel | Saint: exactly, I wanted to ask whether hes is planning to work on the flashing effect |
| 14:07:19 | Buschel | Saint: can you see the flashing with both LCD types? |
| 14:07:30 | JdGordon | teru: doing an svn up... on my very shitty connection |
| 14:09:42 | JdGordon | teru: you reaaranged the code :p where is that? |
| 14:10:21 | gevaerts | JdGordon: when was the new skin system committed again? |
| 14:10:27 | gevaerts | (more or less) |
| 14:10:35 | JdGordon | shortly after 3.6 |
| 14:10:47 | JdGordon | begining of gsoc |
| 14:11:33 | giovanni_ | also the keyboard for the onda isn't usable: it is all black, you can't see the letters, you can't see nothing, just a little white square on the top-left |
| 14:11:35 | teru | JdGordon: sorry, i forgat to metion. it is in parse_progressbar_tag() in skin_parser.c |
| 14:11:45 | gevaerts | I'm trying to work out if FS #11426 was before or after the change |
| 14:12:12 | gevaerts | ok, long before |
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| 14:12:29 | gevaerts | The new code was *activated* at the end of July apparently |
| 14:13:30 | JdGordon | what do you mean *activated*? |
| 14:13:51 | gevaerts | oh, wait |
| 14:14:05 | * | gevaerts is totally confused |
| 14:14:19 | giovanni_ | there's a way to set the font and background colours of the keyboard in theme .cfg? |
| 14:14:25 | JdGordon | remember the skin changes are alot more than just the parser and renderer |
| 14:14:37 | gevaerts | There have been a lot of changes during the last half year or so, and I can't distinguish between parser, renderer and other bits apparently |
| 14:16:30 | pixelma | giovanni_: I'd think that the keyboard would use the global settings |
| 14:16:44 | JdGordon | teru: yeah, thats a typo :/ |
| 14:17:12 | giovanni_ | pixelma: but I've got it background and font black |
| 14:17:37 | pixelma | gevaerts: one was a syntax change which was shortly after 3.6 and the parser rework which was later (IIRC) |
| 14:17:50 | pixelma | giovanni_: sounds like a bug to me |
| 14:18:12 | CIA-81 | New commit by jdgordon (r28222): fix a stupid typo in the vertical bar tag parser, spotted by teru |
| 14:18:13 | giovanni_ | have to say I'm having issue with theme.cfg, it won't load, just made the device freeze |
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| 14:19:56 | CIA-81 | r28222 build result: All green |
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| 14:25:35 | giovanni_ | does a theme cfg with just foreground color and background color settings load correctly? |
| 14:26:08 | JdGordon | it shuld |
| 14:26:26 | giovanni_ | it made my device freeze |
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| 14:31:15 | JdGordon | teru: "nobar" option to not do the scrollbar drawing at all and just clear the last position and redraw the slider? |
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| 14:44:47 | kugel | JdGordon: no |
| 14:45:11 | JdGordon | can you please? :) |
| 14:45:21 | JdGordon | I want to try out kinetic scrolling! |
| 14:46:42 | kugel | I can after fixing the bugs it has |
| 14:47:08 | JdGordon | yay |
| 14:47:42 | * | gevaerts wants to know fundamentally *why* early USB keeps breaking |
| 14:48:04 | kugel | because it runs before the first disk access |
| 14:48:28 | JdGordon | and people with that target dont run test builds when asked |
| 14:48:38 | JdGordon | otherwise /me raises his hand |
| 14:48:55 | gevaerts | JdGordon: I know that bit. I want to know why it's so sensitive to breakage |
| 14:49:08 | gevaerts | It may be a design flaw somewhere |
| 14:49:35 | JdGordon | well, because it uses gui elements which expect things setup |
| 14:49:46 | JdGordon | early usb isnt broken really, early usb GUI is |
| 14:52:40 | JdGordon | gevaerts: 11592, I will openly admit that I dont care about that bug at all, I'm happy to help someone fix it, but its charcell, I dont own one, the sim is impossible to use, and exactly one person has mentioned it |
| 14:53:20 | JdGordon | so untill all the other bugs are gone I wont be spending time on it.... Of course I'll happily help someone fix it if they want to spend the effort though |
| 14:54:52 | gevaerts | JdGordon: I realise that. I can spend some time on it later |
| 14:56:27 | JdGordon | surely you have more interesting things to think about? get anywhere finding a db replacement? |
| 14:56:53 | gevaerts | oh, right, I was going to do that too... |
| 14:57:17 | JdGordon | :) and buffering.. and.. |
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| 15:00:08 | S_a_i_n_t | Buschel: Sorry for the late reply, yes, both type 2 and 7 LCDs have the nasty glitch when the LCD handling code takes over. |
| 15:00:30 | S_a_i_n_t | <I assume it is the code initialising that causes the nasty flicker> |
| 15:01:42 | bertrik | S_a_i_n_t, I don't really know what this glitch is about, but can't we just hide it by disabling the backlight during the switch? |
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| 15:04:59 | Buschel | Saint: yes, when commenting the init-stuf it does not flicker. somehow it seems the backlight is switched on with high brightness within the init-code. |
| 15:05:50 | Buschel | bertrik: the backlight code *does* enable the backliight after the initialization |
| 15:05:54 | JdGordon | rockbox doesnt say the build type anywehre does it? |
| 15:06:05 | S_a_i_n_t | bertrik: that wouldn't hide it completely...I;m not 100% sure what Buschel is seeing, I assume it is at least similar, but maybe not exactly the same. |
| 15:06:24 | S_a_i_n_t | The drawing issue would still be visible if one was *really* looking for it. |
| 15:06:38 | S_a_i_n_t | Switching off the backlight to hide it seems like a bit of a kludge |
| 15:07:10 | S_a_i_n_t | JdGordon: How do you mean? |
| 15:08:10 | JdGordon | I wanted to know if my fuze is v1 or v2 |
| 15:08:21 | amiconn | Changing scrolling text on the fly shouldn't be too difficult to add to the scroll engine |
| 15:08:33 | amiconn | The api would need to be extended a bit though |
| 15:08:45 | Buschel | S_a_i_n_t: I am seeing a bright flash (like backlight on with a white screen displayed for a very short time). you are talking of another issue? |
| 15:09:02 | S_a_i_n_t | Buschel: Yes. |
| 15:09:07 | * | Buschel hopes liar will come back and is willing to fix it |
| 15:09:16 | Buschel | S_a_i_n_t: what do you see? |
| 15:09:22 | S_a_i_n_t | However, sometimes I see it with a kind of "transitional effect" |
| 15:09:29 | amiconn | Is the Nano2g lcd readable without backlight, like the Nano1g and the Video ones? |
| 15:09:43 | Buschel | amiconn: yes |
| 15:09:48 | S_a_i_n_t | Nano1G isn;t readable without backlight... |
| 15:09:55 | amiconn | If yes, we shouldn't disable the lcd at all, imo |
| 15:10:05 | S_a_i_n_t | Nor is the 2G I wouldn;t say. |
| 15:10:25 | Buschel | amiconn: all about power saving. it is an user option to gain some more runtime |
| 15:10:28 | S_a_i_n_t | Well, you *can* see it, but its hardly readable...not like a momochrome display |
| 15:10:29 | Buschel | ~1mA |
| 15:10:37 | * | amiconn things that is *the* big advantage of most mono/ greyscale (and a few colour) lcds |
| 15:11:43 | S_a_i_n_t | Buschel: To answer your question, I am seeing the same thing, but sometimes it very obviously (although quickly) starts at the top of the LCD and the glitch works its way down to the bottom. |
| 15:12:30 | S_a_i_n_t | It is still an almost instant flash, but, quite visible...enough to make me remove it from my build until it's worked out. |
| 15:12:42 | Buschel | S_a_i_n_t: same for me |
| 15:13:16 | S_a_i_n_t | If he is around, TheSeven mentioned some ideas on how the code could be improved. |
| 15:13:39 | S_a_i_n_t | He was one of (if not *the*) early pioneer of cracking the Nano2G LCDs |
| 15:14:02 | TheSeven | what exactly is the problem? |
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| 15:14:13 | TheSeven | a white flash when initializing the lcd? |
| 15:14:17 | Buschel | yes |
| 15:14:19 | TheSeven | isn't the lcd all-white when it's off? |
| 15:14:28 | S_a_i_n_t | I'm sure liar would have done it better if he could have done, perhaps he isn;t seeing the same issue as we ae though. |
| 15:14:36 | TheSeven | so it would just be a matter of turning the backlight on *after* initializing the lcd? |
| 15:14:40 | JdGordon | my fuzev1 is fine |
| 15:14:51 | Buschel | guys, I need to leave for a while (my son asks for playing with him, and I will do so ;) |
| 15:15:04 | S_a_i_n_t | No problem. |
| 15:15:58 | S_a_i_n_t | I'm off to bed, for a few hours...not for the night, if anyone works out some code to test just PM me or leave me a note here in the logs and I'll have a looksee later on. |
| 15:16:18 | JdGordon | its 2am... how is that not "for the night"? |
| 15:16:42 | S_a_i_n_t | I only ever sleep for 3~4 hours. |
| 15:16:56 | JdGordon | wierdo :D |
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| 15:31:28 | giovanni_ | may I use for theme bmp 8bit greyscale images? |
| 15:31:46 | giovanni_ | for backdrops and all other images? |
| 15:31:56 | G4Oblivion | Is anyone else getting crashes while switching tracks? I get "Undefined instruction at 08C4A848" |
| 15:32:01 | G4Oblivion | using iPod nano 2G |
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| 15:33:04 | G4Oblivion | Running rockbox r28218 |
| 15:36:33 | S_a_i_n_t | G4Oblivion: OMG! |
| 15:36:35 | S_a_i_n_t | yes! |
| 15:36:46 | S_a_i_n_t | finally, someone that can reproduce this! |
| 15:36:59 | G4Oblivion | Can't reproduce just randomly get. |
| 15:37:01 | S_a_i_n_t | does it happen if you switch tracks quite quickly? |
| 15:37:06 | G4Oblivion | Yes. |
| 15:37:18 | G4Oblivion | I'm trying to get it again. |
| 15:37:19 | S_a_i_n_t | ie. skipping 3 or 4 tracks forward or back in quick succession? |
| 15:37:38 | S_a_i_n_t | I can get it to happen reliably, every fucking time! |
| 15:37:41 | G4Oblivion | I go to my track list to change it. |
| 15:37:45 | S_a_i_n_t | until now I was the only one seeing it. |
| 15:37:55 | G4Oblivion | Same error code? |
| 15:38:22 | S_a_i_n_t | G4Oblivion: try skipping it (as quick as you can (backward seems to be the easiest to reproduce it) from the WPS |
| 15:38:49 | S_a_i_n_t | No, the error code will be unique to us both, it will be a stray pointer to the middle of nowhere. |
| 15:39:02 | S_a_i_n_t | It doesn;t match anything in the .map file at all in my case. |
| 15:39:26 | G4Oblivion | Nano just froze while changing tracks. No error. Stuck on "searching...18 found (play/pause to abort) |
| 15:39:55 | S_a_i_n_t | Shit, this actually sounds like a currupt filesystem if it's doing that. |
| 15:39:55 | TheSeven | S_a_i_n_t: you're still saying that the wsods with the apple bootloader have gone away permanently on all ipods you have access to? |
| 15:40:09 | S_a_i_n_t | TheSeven: Yes...indeedy. |
| 15:40:34 | S_a_i_n_t | I have not seen a WSOD for, months, months and months. |
| 15:40:46 | S_a_i_n_t | Not since it was really bad and hitting *everyone* |
| 15:41:42 | S_a_i_n_t | G4Oblivion: Could you be a dear and check your filesystem for errors, and if there are none, add a flyspray task describing the issue as best as you can? |
| 15:42:09 | S_a_i_n_t | I will comment on it afterward, I was waiting for someone else to confirm it before I added an FS task. |
| 15:42:09 | TheSeven | S_a_i_n_t: would you consider the nano2g being stable? |
| 15:42:21 | S_a_i_n_t | TheSeven: Personally, yes. |
| 15:42:26 | G4Oblivion | I can check my filesystem. I think you should open the flyspray. I just started getting this error last update. |
| 15:42:30 | S_a_i_n_t | I have been pushing for that for a while now. |
| 15:42:47 | TheSeven | are there currently any major drawbacks of the apple/rockbox bootloader? |
| 15:43:04 | S_a_i_n_t | IMO, no. |
| 15:43:10 | S_a_i_n_t | TheSeven: ^ |
| 15:43:34 | TheSeven | does that "hold menu button to boot OF" thing work nowadays or is it still holdswitch-only? |
| 15:43:40 | S_a_i_n_t | I would actually go so far as to say that there are none. |
| 15:43:58 | S_a_i_n_t | it is still hold switch only afaik. |
| 15:44:18 | S_a_i_n_t | I would like to see it check for menu also personally, if that can be done. |
| 15:44:34 | S_a_i_n_t | the hold switches on Nano2G are dodgy at best. |
| 15:45:29 | S_a_i_n_t | G4Oblivion: Ok, I will add the task when I get up again in a few hours, if you find anything new or are able to reproduce further please leave a note here for the logs. Thanks. |
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| 15:45:50 | G4Oblivion | Ok. |
| 15:47:35 | G4Oblivion | (No errors found using chkdsk) |
| 15:48:33 | S_a_i_n_t | Well, that's good, and also kinda crap...as it means there's some bloody random hard to reproduce (for some), impossible to reproduce (for others) bug in there somewhere. |
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| 15:49:28 | S_a_i_n_t | I'll have a decent think about it when I get up, now I know I'm not the only one experiencing it. |
| 15:49:49 | G4Oblivion | Ok. I'll format my ipod and do a clean install then do some testing. |
| 15:49:54 | G4Oblivion | I gotta get some sleep too. |
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| 15:50:36 | Jeshikah | hi there everyone, i got a wee bit of a problem w/ rockbox :| |
| 15:50:58 | S_a_i_n_t | heh, yeah...I'm long overdue for sleep. Glad I caught this mention of the problem though, now I know I'm not cursed by a bunch of iPods that all have a myseterious bug that noone else is seeing. ;) |
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| 15:51:17 | S_a_i_n_t | Jeshikah: Best thing to do is to just ask your question. |
| 15:51:35 | Jeshikah | i literally just installed the latest stable version on my v1 fuze |
| 15:52:07 | Jeshikah | now i want to connect it to the computer again, but...it won't do it. just restarts all over |
| 15:52:23 | Jeshikah | any ideas on what i can do? |
| 15:52:40 | TheSeven | S_a_i_n_t: it definitely can be done, and it won't be much work to get that done |
| 15:52:53 | TheSeven | so i might try to get that into 3.7 |
| 15:53:03 | S_a_i_n_t | TheSeven: That would be a major plus. |
| 15:53:31 | S_a_i_n_t | Both with age, and if you have ever opened the unit...the hold switch becomes mighty flimsy. |
| 15:53:45 | S_a_i_n_t | a check for Menu would definitely be more reliable |
| 15:54:11 | TheSeven | we could actually use any button, but IIRC menu would be consistent with the 1g |
| 15:54:22 | S_a_i_n_t | Correct/ |
| 15:54:38 | S_a_i_n_t | and, all iPods...IIUC |
| 15:56:30 | Jeshikah | am i just totally noob and doing something wrong? i'm trying to connect my rockboxed fuze v1 to my comp again, but all i get is rockbox restarting over and over |
| 15:56:31 | S_a_i_n_t | Jeshikah: Best bet is to either wait around in here until someone familiar with Sansas (ie. not me) comes in (the channel is logged, so someone will see it eventually), or have a search through the Rockbox Forums for a similar issue that may or may not already have been resolved. |
| 15:56:46 | S_a_i_n_t | Jeshikah: ^ |
| 15:57:23 | S_a_i_n_t | Jeshikah: Did you update the bootloader also? |
| 15:57:29 | S_a_i_n_t | Or, only the build? |
| 15:58:13 | Jeshikah | this is an initial installation using the graphical utility, w/ a full install |
| 15:59:58 | G4Oblivion | I believe i've heard that problem a couple times. I don't remember anything about it though, sorry. funman and other sansa guys might know whats wrong. |
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| 16:00:42 | S_a_i_n_t | Ah, right. Hmmm, well what I said earlier stands then. Try hanging out in here for as long as you can stand/as long as it takes (patience is a virtue with IRC support) and while you're killing time try searching the Rockbox Forums for anyone with the same problem and a possible solution. |
| 16:00:59 | Jeshikah | oh well, will have to try to ask at another time. at least my mtp stored music is available |
| 16:01:40 | Jeshikah | cuz i really have to get in the shower now, then go on a 12 hour work trip(4 of those are just my commute back and forth) |
| 16:02:44 | bertrik | this may be some mismatch regarding USB behaviour between the bootloader and the main firmware: the bootloader thinks that rockbox can handle the USB connection so it boots in the main firmware. The main firmware thinks USB is best handled by the OF, so it reboots. |
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| 16:03:22 | Jeshikah | i'll see tonight, what the deal is |
| 16:03:36 | Jeshikah | and perhaps be back in here |
| 16:03:53 | Jeshikah | tyvm for trying to help ^^ |
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| 16:50:51 | pamaury | bertrik: do you have a clip+ at hand ? |
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| 17:19:48 | pamaury | bertrik: here ? |
| 17:20:09 | bertrik | yes |
| 17:20:18 | pamaury | do you have a clip+ at hand ? |
| 17:20:21 | bertrik | yes |
| 17:20:43 | pamaury | can you test a usb patch, I'm trying to workaround the usb rnaodm failure problem |
| 17:21:10 | bertrik | sure, if it doesn't take very long |
| 17:22:31 | pamaury | You should do it in two steps: 1) Enable usb on clip+ with the svn code and plug/unplug several times (say 10 or 20) and see if it fails sometimes and how many times 2) apply this: http://pastebin.com/vH9KgdNR and redo 1) |
| 17:24:10 | pamaury | it shouldn't take long, just try it and if there is no obvious difference, just give up |
| 17:24:41 | bertrik | how do I know whether it fails or not? |
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| 17:25:09 | pamaury | it will not show up as a device to the kernel, and thus will not mount |
| 17:25:25 | pamaury | in the kernel log, the kernel will keep resetting the device |
| 17:25:37 | pamaury | and probably bail out at some point |
| 17:26:33 | pamaury | my experiments show that it is sufficient to wait for a few seconds to distinguish, if it mounts then it will probablt not fail |
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| 17:34:32 | bertrik | ok, without the patch I got 1 failure where it would recognise anything, 1 time where it would enumerate about 5 times before recognising a mass storage device. I see that the device address increases by 2 between connect/disconnect cycles |
| 17:34:42 | bertrik | (out of 20 plugin/outs) |
| 17:35:17 | bertrik | if I unplug/replug my mouse, I see the device address increase only by 1 each time |
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| 17:39:13 | G4Oblivion | After formatting and doing a clean install (All I kept was my config file) I still get the undefined errors randomly while switching tracks. |
| 17:40:37 | G4Oblivion | I was near the end of a 6:16 song and went to my database and tried to switch to another song when I got the error this time. |
| 17:41:58 | bertrik | pamaury, with the patched version, I've seen no problems when doing 20 unplug/replugs |
| 17:42:27 | pamaury | ok thank you very much |
| 17:42:48 | pamaury | I'll ask funman too. It would be nice if this hack fixes the usb problem, even if it's a hack |
| 17:43:08 | * | TheSeven wonders if it is intentional that switching on the hold switch "freezes" the buttons in their current state, and doesn't release them |
| 17:43:56 | bertrik | hm, the OF always seems to do two enumerations quickly after each other for each unplug/replug |
| 17:44:26 | bertrik | TheSeven, hold should release all buttons as far as I know |
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| 17:44:43 | TheSeven | it doesn't on nano2g |
| 17:44:50 | bertrik | or rather, pretend that no button is pressed |
| 17:44:53 | TheSeven | (which might well be considered a feature) |
| 17:45:04 | TheSeven | this makes shutting down the player easier |
| 17:45:23 | TheSeven | just switch hold on (you'll want to do that anyway) while holding play |
| 17:45:35 | TheSeven | no need to keep it pressed for several seconds |
| 17:49:55 | TheSeven | can anybody tell me how the clickwheel driver figures out which buttons are pressed on initialization on other targets? |
| 17:50:05 | TheSeven | i can't find any code related to that |
| 17:50:35 | pamaury | no idea |
| 17:50:42 | pamaury | as a button expert :) |
| 17:51:08 | pamaury | grrr I can't understand why the fat driver doesn't work when I'm working with my modified simulator, it's the same fucking code so it should work |
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| 18:02:38 | spike_ | maybe you need to think outside the rockbox |
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| 18:33:06 | kugel | new android apks with kinetic scrolling up (see AndroidPort) |
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| 18:36:10 | kugel | patch is here: http://pastie.org/1209791 |
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| 19:13:12 | TheSeven | what function does one usually call to check which buttons are currently pressed? |
| 19:14:05 | bertrik | I'm not sure there is such a function |
| 19:14:14 | TheSeven | button_read_device()? |
| 19:14:22 | linuxstb | There is - it's something like button_get_status() |
| 19:14:33 | linuxstb | I think button_read_device() is internal in the button driver. |
| 19:14:36 | bertrik | the button handler is called from interrupt context, extracts the changes, then posts them to the button queue AFAIK |
| 19:16:07 | TheSeven | button_read_device seems to be the only function in target/arm/ipod/button-clickwheel.c that returns the buttons that are currently pressed |
| 19:16:20 | linuxstb | I think it's button_status() - see firmware/drivers/button.c |
| 19:16:39 | linuxstb | That code in turn calls the low-level (target-specific) button_read_device() |
| 19:21:31 | bertrik | TheSeven, I think most button drivers do something like if (hold) return 0; inside button_read_device |
| 19:23:24 | kugel | TheSeven: button_read_device() queries the hardware driver each tick. for scrollwheels it's a bit different, they post to the button_queue on their own |
| 19:23:47 | kugel | (well, button_tick() calls button_read_device()) |
| 19:39:30 | * | TheSeven needs testers for FS #11663 |
| 19:42:04 | TheSeven | S_a_i_n_t: ping |
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| 19:44:06 | basti | hey gevaerts do you, by any chance, remember our talk from yesterday? |
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| 19:53:25 | TheSeven | is there some protection in the rockbox kernel that prevents Weird Behavior(tm) if wakeup_wait is called from an interrupt context? |
| 19:54:58 | basti | ok, since he/she is not here, maybe someone else can help. this is our talk from yesterday: http://pastebin.com/zdva2eE9 if it is correct, that the keys are somehow messed up, how does it come, that the battery indicator has a problem, too? today i booted it again, and same problem with the keys. damn thing |
| 19:56:57 | kugel | TheSeven: I don't think so |
| 19:57:23 | TheSeven | kugel: maybe something we should add for debug builds to track down such things |
| 19:57:35 | kugel | do it :) |
| 19:58:18 | TheSeven | i just accidentally caused such a thing, and guess what, it ended up causing *screen corruption*! |
| 19:58:31 | TheSeven | (it was in the button driver) |
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| 20:01:03 | bertrik | I'm generally in favor of adding sanity checks |
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| 20:01:44 | bertrik | like checking if mutexes, wakeups, etc. are initialised before being used |
| 20:02:20 | bertrik | but maybe only in some kind of debug mode |
| 20:02:39 | TheSeven | we already have a debug build mode |
| 20:03:21 | bertrik | wakeup_signal is probably the only kernel primitive that should allowed to be called in interrupt context |
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| 20:31:04 | TheSeven | anyone with an ipod (doesn't matter which generation, as long as it has a clickwheel) around? |
| 20:32:42 | skfunnyboy_ | yea |
| 20:32:43 | skfunnyboy_ | me |
| 20:32:47 | skfunnyboy_ | a nano 4g |
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| 21:54:28 | gevaerts | basti2: sorry, I can't help you further. You need someone who actually knows the h300 well. not just someone who's online a lot and can extrapolate :) |
| 21:57:39 | Llorean | basti2: I'm not *certain* but I think I remember hearing that some H300s show button problems when the battery voltage is low. Which may mean the battery is the real problem and the buttons are just a symptom. |
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| 22:29:59 | basti2 | even with dc cable connected it does not work. but another question, since i just bought an ipod: does stuff like itrip work with rockbox? |
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| 23:00:43 | * | kugel builds some plugins for android |
| 23:01:00 | gevaerts | Why? |
| 23:01:03 | gevaerts | oh, sorry |
| 23:01:04 | gevaerts | \☺/ |
| 23:01:24 | kugel | test_* for now |
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| 23:04:32 | kugel | hm, test_mem reports 800MB/s :O |
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| 23:24:04 | gevaerts | Anyone around with a 4G ipod? |
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| 23:54:17 | kugel | mp3: 2300% realtime |
| 23:54:49 | gevaerts | Ah, test_codec works? |
| 23:56:43 | kugel | yea |
| 23:56:51 | gevaerts | What about doom? |
| 23:56:53 | * | gevaerts hides |
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